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The runaway comment magnet today is Bart Gellman's outstanding piece telling us that former Vice President Richard B. Cheney is working on a book that will express great disappointment with his former boss, President George W. Bush.

The unusual thing about the comment string, which is growing exponentially by the minute, is that there are relatively few Cheney supporters at the hour this is being written. Usually these things even out, but right now those who dislike Cheney are in a clear majority. There is anger about Iraq and the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, there are several calls for prosecution, there are Vietnam vets complaining that Cheney didn't serve in that conflict.

Gellman writes that "The former vice president remains convinced of mortal dangers that few other leaders, in his view, face squarely. That fixed belief does much to explain the conduct that so many critics find baffling."

Gellman and Jo Becker won a Pulitzer prize for their 2008 Post series on Cheney's role in the Bush administration.

The conversation got off to a great start when blakesouthwood wrote, "This ought to be good."

lcarter0311 added, "More than good. Why do I get the feeling that Cheney for whatever reason thought he was the President and Bush was his veep?"

sharronkm wrote, "Probably the reason Bush was moving away from Cheney in the second term was because he realized how badly he had been mislead by Cheney and was waking up to the fact that Cheney's advice had been wrong. Liz Cheney's remark that her father was doing this because of his "love of history" is bunk..."

tradeczar wrote, "...as a Vietnam Vet it strikes me that those who praise Bush and Cheney because we weren't "hit" again remind me of those who still maintain that we could have won in Vietnam had the generals had their way. Delusion is an awesome force."

newageblues wrote, "Cheney would have more credibility as a security hawk eager to go to war to try to protect the country, if it wasn't for the reason he didn't serve in the military during the Vietnam War. As he later unapologetically explained it, he had "other priorities". How can you take such a slimy hypocrite seriously?"

John1263 wrote, "... It would be good for America if the people around cheney also realized the statute of limitations is up and start giving testimony to the DoJ so cheney can start measuring the drapes for a cell in federal prison..."

losthorizon10 said, "These two jackals sent our troops to Iraq to die and get blown apart for their little neocon fantasy, and they lied us into a war when they knew full well that there were no WMD's there... Let them both rot in prison. And let Valerie Plame turn the key on their cell doors."

deano1 wrote, "I love this, we need Cheney to "keep on." He's one of the best reminders of how out of touch the republican party is with the principals of Democracy. Cheney is upset that they didn't go far enough. In Cheney's world, far enough would have been a dictatorship for the good of the people to keep them free..."

pejesq charged that "Cheney and Bush were in office when the worst terrorist attack in American history occurred. At the time of the attack, a report detailing the Al Queda threat was sitting on Bush's desk unread. Cheney will spend the rest of his life trying to make up for that mistake and, especially, trying to convince the world that he was not at fault and he has, in fact, made the world a safer place. Unfortunately that's just a fantasy..."

jbleenyc wrote, "...Instead of just going off into the good night and enjoying a nice retirement, this man is still full of plots and ego. His revelations in his new book could further cement the views the American people now have about him... He probably feels grateful for the sacrifices Libby made on his behalf and is so bitter that he could not help his aide with a full pardon..."

alloleo said, "I just don't see why we should think there's any virtue in Cheney's maintaining a blinkered, unchanging, unresponsive view of the world. He gets his mind stuck on a few simplistic ideas, few of them correct but all of them "tough", then rides them to the bitter end and his cronies and lackies call it "conviction". That's no way to run a country..."

mharwick suggested, "It is all about the pardon refused and the firing of Rumsfeld. George W. Bush did not pardon folks lightly. Bill Clinton had his pardongate. Bush did not."

The article quoted John P. Hannah, Cheney's second-term national security adviser, as saying that the former vice president is driven by the nightmare of a hostile state acquiring nuclear weapons and passing them to terrorists.

This caused dj333 to write, "This is a concern most serious people don't share because it doesn't really make much sense: very few states would pass nuclear weapons on to non-state actors (read "terrorists") because they would want such weapons to end up being used on them or their allies..."

swatkins1 warned, "A far more dangerous enemy is the one within the borders of the United States. The far right neo-con seething anger and hate that is poising itself to take matters into their own hands, an American Taliban, led by Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh. The real danger, the real threat is fomenting in the shadows. Right inside the border."

dfnsatty wrote, "So Cheney has contempt for public opinion? Maybe that's because he withheld so much information that the public could not form sound opinions. It's the same ploy Hitler and many other dictators have used - don't reveal anything and then say 'I can make a better decision because I know more than you'."

gagalbert said, "Cheney is right of course. W did go soft. The only thing I did not like about Cheney is that he refused to run for the presidency. He would have been a great improvement from the guy we have now. And with each irrational post from the nutcakes and haters I see here, it supports my case even more..."

To which washpost18 replied, "There's enough irony [there] for gagalbert to make another hammer with which to continue hitting itself in the head with. Stay eloquent, conservos!"

Complaints about The Post:

  • The article's first paragraph said Cheney "threw himself into public combat against the 'far left' agenda of the new commander in chief." This caused standard_guy to ask, "Damn, how far left does Obama have to go to take the quotation marks off of "far left"? The quotation marks tell you all you need to know about the WaPo."
  • mplambert asked, "Do you notice how the Post rarely allows someone other than a Republican to voice an opinion on Cheney? Probably because even just one moderate voice would be enough to paint him as a fascist blunderer."
  • paulinlodi asked, "Why is it that our political class at every level of government, state and federal, is so deeply, thoroughly, irreformably, pathological? And
    why does WaPo encourage, promote and glorify these very sick people?"
  • All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  August 13, 2009; 6:07 AM ET
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johnhkennedy,

Your cause is a pathetic joke. Why don't you turn your attention to the Obama regime's shredding of the Constitution and your personal privacy instead? I can just imagine how the Left would have reacted if people got an "advocacy" e-mail from Karl Rove in their inboxes - it would have been front page of the NYT and WAPO for a week and the ACLU would have been foaming at the mouth.

Bush caved to the Left in his final two years and look where that has landed us.

Funny, you didn't answer my question as to why the left isn't screaming for an "exit strategy" from Afghanistan. Why is that again? Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y?

Posted by: lisamc31 | August 17, 2009 7:22 AM | Report abuse

"Bush/Cheney haters "?????

More like Constitution lover, and Rule Of Law lover, buddy.

The voters know that Cheney and Bush violated one very serious Federal Felony Law, that against Torture.

Torture in any form is always illegal.
Lawyers appointed by any President have no standing to even pretend that they can change established laws. Only Congress can make law.

Cheney committed felonies. He should be indicted and tried in Federal Court. All who conspired with him should be indicted as well.

Investigate all their crimes.


Keep asking ALL politicians at ALL public events
"Why do they support Torture?"

If they aren't actively calling for enforcement
of our Federal Torture Laws,
They Support Torture.

AND


SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
both a Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor
For All Their Crimes


at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG


http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

Over 250,000 signed
Add your Signature Today

Only Prosecution Stops Torture!

Only Prosecution Stops Abuses of Our Constitution and Rights.

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Posted by: johnhkennedy | August 16, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and btw, how come all you Bush/Cheney haters aren't screaming for an exit strategy from Afghanistan? If the War on Terror is Over, (cough, cough), why is Obama killing more of our troops on a daily basis than Bush did? Where is your sense of outrage?

Posted by: lisamc31 | August 15, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

This has to be one of the more pathetic attempts at generating discussion by the Washington Lost. I happened by here just to laugh at the Liberals patting each other on their collective backs so I can giggle at their whining over how MEAN Cheney was...is...will ever be.

So rather than let you feel so completely omnipotent in your fatally flawed judgment and condemnation of Dick Cheney, one of the most powerful, influential and respected Vice Presidents of all time (and don't even THINK of letting JOBS is a 3 letter word Biden shine his shoes), I felt I had to add my two cents that I wish we had Cheney in the White House right now.

The hypocrisy of the Left is mind-blowing. Unbelievable. But I thought all you folks would be out at Princess Pelosi's vinyard this weekend, what happened? ;-)

Posted by: lisamc31 | August 15, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

ANOTHER REPUBLICAN FAIRY TAIL BY THE MEANEST MAN OF THIS CENTURY AND IT IS ALL ABOUT THE WORST AND MOST STUPID , MOST DANGEROUS MISFIT OF A PRESIDENT!

BOO HOO POOR CHENNEY AND THE WESTERN COWBOY COULD CARE LESS!

Posted by: LOONYBIN2000 | August 14, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for Cheney's book. I love a good work of fiction.

Posted by: mcordray | August 13, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

As an American who served in the military, is a lifelong registered Republican & has worked in the industrial/military complex my entire career, Mr Cheney makes me sad, angry & embarrassed. This man clearly cares about nothing other than himself. He certainly cares nothing about our service men & women with his support of torture then his outrageous remarks about how effective it is & that the information about it should be declassified. Now, he has the audacity to make negative comments about Bush. Sure Bush was a disappointment, but he started to turn himself around once he reduced Cheney's influence. The current administration needs to take a real hard look at Mr Cheney & expose him as the un-American that he is.

Posted by: dlgrtw | August 13, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I was in my 20's
during the Nixon Watergate Scandal years
and
I am positive that the abuse of our Constitution and our rights as citizens
and the deliberate violations of our Federal Laws
were far worse
and far more numerous
under
Bush and Cheney.

Cheney and his far right neocon comrades
who are trying to derail Obamas effort
to improve health care in America
are some of the most evil political operatives we've seen at any time in American history.

The right cares only about power
and is willing do anything to obtain it.

Their willingness to Torture is appalling.

First they knowingly violate the
Federal Anti-Torture Laws that were
signed into law
and supported
by their own idol President Ronald Reagan.

Then they, through Bush's appointee lawyers
create MEMOS that are supposed to have
the effect of overriding the Federal Torture Laws enacted by Congress
(which of course they cannot legally do).

Their effort to render our Torture laws moot
is a Conspiracy to Torture,
which probably went all the way
to Bush and Cheney.

If our current Attorney General Holder fails to do a serious investigation
followed by a great many indictments
his place in American history will be trashed.

What we voters need to do is to continue
the fight for prosecution
for those that conspired to torture
and then go after the many violators
of Federal Laws during the Bush Administration.

Keep up the pressure for investigation
and prosecution.

Keep asking ALL politicians at ALL public events
"Why do they support Torture?"

If they aren't actively calling for enforcement
of our Federal Torture Laws,
They Support Torture.

AND


SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
both a Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor
For All Their Crimes


at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG


http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

Over 250,000 signed
Add your Signature Today

Only Prosecution Stops Torture!

Only Prosecution Stops Abuses of Our Constitution and Rights.

.

Posted by: johnhkennedy | August 13, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that self-proclaimed vets insult Cheney for not being in the military, yet lick the shoes of draft dodgers Clinton and Biden.

Interesting that Demos & lefties issue such personal vicious insults against Cheney, acting just like their heroes Stalin, Lenin, Mao.

Interesting that the Demos & lefties still insist there were no WMD in Iraq. Ignoring the proof that Saddam used them against Iran and the Kurds. Ignoring the 550 tons of yellowcake uranium that were sent from Iraq to Canada after the 2nd Gulf War. Look it up. Yellowcake can be cheaply and quickly turned in a 'dirty' radioactive bomb. With more processing it can be turned into a nuclear weapon. They ignore the discrepancies in the number count of WMD between the UN and Saddam. They ignore that Saddam kicked out all WMD inspectors in 1998, while Clinton played.

They ignore the fact that Clinton bombed Iraq for plotting to kill a US president, and for violating the armistice. An armistice that was repeatedly broken by the Demos and left-wingers' good buddy Saddam.

They ignore that fact that the US military DID find WMD. Artillery shells loaded with SARIN and Mustard gas were found. Shells that Saddam swore never existed. Terrorists in Iraq have used them as IEDs. Remember??

Why, why, did the left-wing nutcases so desperately want Saddam to be in power? Didn't he kill enough people? Over 1.5 million people at least, in his various wars and purges.

Clinton said Saddam had WMD! Remember? Clinton's Director of the CIA said Iraq has WMD. Ted Kennedy said it, Hilary said it, Kerry said it. In December 2003, Kerry said that anyone who didn't support Bush's overthrow of Saddam was not fit to be president. Remember? Remember??

Posted by: jlnum03 | August 13, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Cheney is a person that feels his opinion is the end result of all reasoning. He does not believe in diplomacy or the reading of facts which were presented to him, I feel his is an agenda to make everyone in this world believe as he does or else. Cheney has hardened as a public figure because of the responsibility given him as a Vice President, who thought he was the President. He will die with his boots on, and not take them off. Just like the old street hustler he became, and not the good veteran Soldier he should have been.

Posted by: mhenmark021 | August 13, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"They will greet us as liberators."

no, no they didn't

Posted by: vigor | August 13, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, all I can say is that it's all about money. All Cheney wants is money. Money for oil, money for anything he can shell from the American people. If you want to give him $$'s buy his book. If you have common sense, and can tie your own shoes, don't buy his book nor his nonsense. He's a criminal.

Posted by: ch-nytimes | August 13, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Quite frankly, who gives a fig about what this freak thinks, oh yeah that's right, his incompetent freak of a daughter, Liz. He claims the statute of limitations has expired on him holding his tongue, it would no longer serve a purpose. Bah, he is a self serving tyrant. And is there anything more pathetic

Posted by: stevepj | August 13, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

With an anticipated publication date of spring, 2011, any book by Cheney would be well beyond the point of irrelevancy.

I've already forgotten what he could possibly have to talk about....

Posted by: tomquiggle | August 13, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

is wapo leading the charge to make Vice President Cheney the lead boogie man character in next years election cycle...
Just so you know...
if the jobs are not there, the votes for reelection will not be there...
comprende...

Posted by: DwightCollins | August 13, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

maggots, your gallup poll is only approval of the President, not his policies.

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So is the 47% approval figure from Rasmussen that you have been touting all day. Are you a used car salesman in real life - you seem used to bending the facts.


Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 12:01 PM

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No, the Ramussen Poll is about Obama's performance, not his policies. Do you know the difference between the two? Or are you playing with the facts again?

I quote from Rasmussen

"Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll


Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't hate Dick Cheney but I don't like Dick Cheney either and I won't be buying his book.
But since Obama and health care got brought into the conversation its part of this blog now so:

a. Wendell Potter, former VP for Cigna, was on PBS three weeks ago and revealed that in 1996 the Health Insurance's portion of dollars spent on health care was 5%, today its 20%.

b. Sunday -8/02/09 I heard on Stephanopolous' show that health care costs 2.4 trillion dollars a year. If that figure is accurate we could save $360 billion a year just by driving down the Healthcare Insurance Industry's take back to 1996 levels. It would cost 287 billion to cover the 47 million uninsured.

c. We spend the most of any nation and yet WHO (the World Health Organization) ranks us 37 out of 191 nations with health care
systems.

d. The straw dog the GOP attacks is Canada, the prime example of 'socialized medicine' - never mind the fact that Canadian doctors make almost as much as ours.

e. Canada is rated # 33 (by WHO) out of 191.

f. Watch that neither France nor Italy will come up in the conversation - France is rated # 1 and Italy # 2.

g. When you talk about the health care system you have to make a distinction between the group and the individual. For those with health care coverage the US has the best system in the world according to Time Magazine. However, if that is true it's not due to the Insurance companies but the investments in R & D made by the US government from 1945 to 1965 when no other nation was making any.

h. But as far as group totals France's are almost three times as good as ours. And we are all both individuals and parts of groups. God help you if you lose your coverage under the current system and get sick. You either go bankrupt or die.

i. A study by the Toronto newspaper showed that if the US adopted the Canadian system we could cover everyone and save 1 trillion dollars. But if we adopted France or Italy's system we would still save money and have a much better system - maybe the best due to our superior technology.

j. France's and Italy's systems are mixed - single payer and healthcare insurance - sounds strange but it works.

Posted by: agapn9 | August 13, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

maggots, your gallup poll is only approval of the President, not his policies.

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So is the 47% approval figure from Rasmussen that you have been touting all day. Are you a used car salesman in real life - you seem used to bending the facts.


Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 12:01 PM

Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Any critique of Cheney should include hard questions about the American media outlets - newspapers and broadcast companies that spent years delving ever-deeper into a non-existent "Whitewater scandal" and then into legal, consensual sex between two adults.

Where was this verve for investigation while the crimes of Cheney and Bush were being committed? What happened there?

Posted by: ana1ana2 | August 13, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

This war with Iraq not only was about WMD, it was about protecting freedom around the universe.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 12:14 PM

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Maybe the Martians will hold that ticker tape parade that Cheney wanted so badly.

Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Remember it was Bush that signed into law the $700 billion TARP bailout.

Posted by: simkatu | August 13, 2009 12:31 PM

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I remember that the majority of Republicans opposed the TARP bill, along with every other measure meant to help the economy.

Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I wish Cheney nothing but ill. The blood of more than 4,00 dead Americans is on his hands, to say nothing of the tens of thousands of terribly wounded Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, dead and wounded because of this man.

Posted by: m_richert | August 13, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't resist the temptation to badmouth Cheney, although I know it's so easy, and there are so many others doing it.

I just wanted to add that Cheney's resume (as copied below, from Wikipedia) includes time in the Nixon administration... I guess courtesy of his good friend and fellow incompetent madman Donald Rumsfeld.
So, all American fools (you know who you are) who have ever said a good thing about Dick Cheney, Jr. ("creepy as Lon Chaney, Jr.")... enjoy his new book. The Nixon, Ford and W. Bush administrations...boy, old Dick sure knows how to pick 'em. He must be a great man.

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Cheney's political career began in 1969, as an intern for Congressman William A. Steiger during the Richard Nixon Administration. He then joined the staff of Donald Rumsfeld, who was then Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity from 1969–70.[12] He held several positions in the years that followed: White House Staff Assistant in 1971, Assistant Director of the Cost of Living Council from 1971–73, and Deputy Assistant to the president from 1974–1975. It was in this position that Cheney suggested in a memo to Rumsfeld that the Ford administration should use the US Justice Department in a variety of legally questionable ways to exact retribution for an article published by The New York Times investigative reporter Seymour Hersh.[18][19]
Cheney was Assistant to the President under Gerald Ford. When Rumsfeld was named Secretary of Defense, Cheney became White House Chief of Staff, succeeding Rumsfeld.[12] He later was campaign manager for Ford's 1976 presidential campaign as well.[20]

Posted by: murphyguide | August 13, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't the greatest fan of Bush/Cheney but it is interesting that they are getting more popular now that the newness is wearing off of our new President and his approval ratings are down to 47%. It shouldn't be long now and we will be seeing signs saying, "Bring Back Bush/Cheney!"..... :)

Posted by: DL13 | August 13, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

oh yea, one more thing.. mathew, what about the time when bush stated about OUR constitution: quote" IT'S JUST A GOD DA&& PIECE OF PAPER!" I have the article on my favorites if you would like me to show you where to find it. WHAT ABOUT THAT??

you know what? you totally smell of rush limbaugh.. i think you have been listening to him for way too long.. you need to get out and get a life!

Posted by: Lompicogal | August 13, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Look at cheney's face when he is looking at bush.. if that don't beat all... he looks like a satanist. OH, speaking of satan; check out "Council of 13" on the internet.. this will tell you who bush, cheney, and many more in that administration. Just look again at cheney's face after you look up council of 13.... is the article's right??

The article states two words cheney says "moral weakness" . Now doesn't that sound like a SATANIST. I urge you to open the "council of 13" . IT SPEAKS THE TRUTH

Posted by: Lompicogal | August 13, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@matthewslocum
What's the difference with fighting in Afghanistan right now?
why are you not asking why we are fighting there?
Now there is something we can agree on ..
here you will enjoy this article ...
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202,196917,00.html

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | August 13, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

MR CHENEY is not dumb, if the heat is turned up on mistakes, he is putting HIMSELF in position, to blame BUSH.

Posted by: dv1236 | August 13, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama's approval/disapproval numbers shouldn't matter according to most conservatives because we don't lead by going outside and measuring the direction of the wind. At least that's what we heard when Bush's ratings were stuck around 25%. Now that Obama ratings are between 48 and 55 approval, these clowns are happy to shout out how bad he is doing at polling. One problem is that many of the disapproval numbers are from people that are leftists that think Obama isn't doing enough to appease them. Many think we should have already made gay marriage legal, gays to openly serve in the armed forces, troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and so on and so on. So far there hasn't been anything really done by Obama that can be viewed as anything different than continueing the policies of GW Bush. Remember it was Bush that signed into law the $700 billion TARP bailout.

Posted by: simkatu | August 13, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Matthew,

Ignorance on so many levels...

No, son, it was only Cheney and the neocons who believed it. When the analysts wouldn't lie for him, Cheney went to Feith to create documents that Cheney then used as "proof".

Goodness boy, I appreciate the opportunity to shoot fish in a barrel but I'm really feeling sorry for you. Much as continuing to watch you demonstrate such a pathetic lack of knowledge and parroting far right delusions might be, unlike you, I have positive things to do in the world.

But do keep trying to convince yourself you aren't sounding the complete fool, as impossible as that will be.

Good day.

Posted by: lmb02 | August 13, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Cheney was on the ticket but he really wasn't elected and he certainly wasn't elected President. He is the only politician I think less of than Bush. If Bush bucked him from time to time, that makes Bush look better than his critics may allege, not worse.

Posted by: SarahBB | August 13, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Cheney complaining about Bush is like Himmler complaining about Hitler --

Bush and Cheney are cut from the same cloth --

Both should be indicted for:

trying to gut our Constitution;
crimes against humanity including violating our own laws and international laws -- torture, secret renditions, secret prisons; lying to Congress and the US;
for starting a war in Iraq for Bush's ego and Bush and Cheney's oil buddies;
for the no-bid contracts that went to Cheney's company Halliburton....

just to name some of them....

If the truth was known as to what Bush & Cheney et al were doing, Americans would be not only appalled and disgusted but also terrified at how close we came to losing our democracy, our freedoms....

All wrapped in the flag, of course....

Posted by: abby0802 | August 13, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Too bad some of those 'beheadists" didn't catch this turd "Matthew", and torture him little bit. That would be just awesome, man I would even support torture as much they want.

Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 13, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

If GWB actually ignored some of Cheney's "ideas" then I will even admit that I might probably perhaps have some respect for him. There...I can't believe I actually wrote that!!
For a guy who, without his father's money and funds from the Oil Cartel of America, couldn’t win an election as dogcatcher of Amarillo, he showed his continued ineptness with Cheney at his side.
Let’s not forget that even though pre-warned, the 9/11 attack was on THEIR watch and they then used it to infuse fear on the American populace. I would like to think that the US of A will right its moral compass when Cheney and Rove and Atkinson and the like get indicted and prosecuted.

Posted by: sd-mouth | August 13, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

While Bush and Chenney are waiting for war crimes indicment and fellony and treason charges, there are of course people who are ready to deffend them. So, it is good if Chenney and Bush are puling their sleaves up for the fight. I just hope they apoligize to all of us for all the crimes they commited against our kids and all stolen money they gave to their families while we still have hungry people in American households. Deffinetely the worst president of all time is Bush, but he can rotten in hell for that and now him and Chenney must leave us in peace. Maybe it would help him if he pronaunces Chenney as part of "axes of evil" or he is afraid that Chenney would shoot him in the face.

Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 13, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Matthew,

Your ignorance of American law and history is astounding.

We executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American troops during WW2. We helped write the treaties banning it.

If you think waterboarding is no big deal, go talk to any SERE graduate. Go talk to Mancow, a conservative talk show host who agreed to waterboarding. He lasted 7 seconds, and declared without prompting it is torture.

And in case you forgot (how convienient) it was a GOP controlled Congress that rammed through the sham law.

By the way, Matthew, isn't funny how a day or so before leaving, Bush's Justice department voided all their memos regarding torture?

And, if torture is so wonderful, why isn't used at every police station? And of course, using it 186 times in a month on one guy was so effective (the government admits they guy was talking BEFORE waterboarding, nothing once they started).

So, Matthew, when are you going to get waterboarded to show it's no big thing? Right... coward.

Keep on trolling, Matthew

Posted by: lmb02 | August 13, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

WMD - CIA reported to congress and President. All agreed that WMD's were apparent in Iraq. Why is it that you want to put the blame on Cheney and Bush when ALL of the government had every right to believe they were there. Just because they didn't find them does not mean they had them at one time.
Just as Bin Laden has not been found alive, we assume him alive. But , do we know for sure.

Be real. To blame Cheney for this is like a kindergartner blaming the teacher for telling him that he will get hurt on the playground and he doesn't. There's a strong chance he will, and a strong chance he won't. But do you not have rules on the playground for his safety, whether he gets hurt or not? No.
Well, same for WMD, do you take a chance that the intelligence is wrong and then let them launch missile attacks on whoever? No, you follow the information along with numerous other reasons to protect the people of the country from tyranny, and surrounding nations from bloodshed. You protect your country first and foremost!
This war with Iraq not only was about WMD, it was about protecting freedom around the universe. So many surrounding countries around Iraq had been hurt and damaged. So many of it's own people had been killed.

What's the difference with fighting in Afghanistan right now?
why are you not asking why we are fighting there? Did we have a signed UN agreement that they were not following rules of international signifigance. don't be ignorant again. this is no different.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: matthewslocum
Cheney - 41% favor
Obama - 47% favor

Cheney - 57% disfavor
Obama - 52% disfavor

Pretty close! After all the "terrible" things you all say Cheney did, his approval is still very good!

POLLSTER RESPOND;
Is there any other crap in Limbaugh's butt? You are really sick if you think you can win here with gloves from Limbaugh and Chenney. Get off this blog you dumb looser and don't waste our time and quit eating those berries in the bushes behind your trailer.
O.K., you can finish smoking your crack pipe and leave stincko.


Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 13, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

While President Bush was perhaps the greatest president in our time, his "compassionate" streak was his weakness in a world where dictators order mass death. Cheney knows that when a threat is learned about, you take proactive action to nuetralize it. Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity and the Amerucan people know all this, some of our politicians, including Bush, have been too niave for a world where everything has changed.

Posted by: SavedGirl | August 13, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

With the pharmaceutical industry together with the insurance monolith both busy trying to torpedo substantive health care, this diversionary tactic by Cheney is akin to "Rummie's" old daily "dog and pony shows" whee he assured us all that there WERE no insurgents just "dead enders." Of course, since Rumsfeld nevar sat down at work, he could NEVER be one of those, now, or was he ?

Posted by: lowell58 | August 13, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

you are siting poling data ?
dude come on ... you are so manipulated it is not funny any more ...

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | August 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Imb02,
Ha, what are you calling torture?
Waterboarding? That has already been established as not torture by congress. Congress approved all techniques used on enemies including waterboarding.

What techniques do YOU approve of for getting information from beheadests!
What technique would you use if your son or daughter was held captive and beheaded?

All techniques Cheney supported, Congress supported.
Waterboarding is holding someone's head under water for a short time, where their body thinks its drowning but it's not. It works for getting info. and it's safe. The body is not injured. Can you explain what is torture?


Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: matthewslocum (WHAT A DUMB AND GROSSS NAME)
maggots, go and listen to Rush some day. You'll be enlightened. And entertained, and listening to the number ONE radio talk show in the world! Yep!
Liberals love him too!

RESPOND
It is OK to listen Rush Limbaugh, especialy if you are liberal, but to have your head stuck in Rush's as.s, MAN, that is just wrong. But since you admited the source of your mental problem which explains all of us a lot of things about yor comment, WE WILL FORGIVE YOU.
There you go; A DRIVE BY COMMENT, DON'T YOU JUST LOVE IT.

Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 13, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

@matthewslocum (who cites Rush to advance his credibility...)

"Rush Limbaugh, the number one radio talk show in the world hails Cheney"

Translation: those of us in the lunatic fringe defend Cheney, so there. You forgot to count us, and we can't count.

Posted by: obama_08 | August 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

maggots, your gallup poll is only approval of the President, not his policies.

At gallup , here's his approval of healthcare


Presidential Job Approval
Amid Debate, Obama Approval Rating on Healthcare Steady
Americans disapprove of his handling of the issue, by 49% to 43%
August 12, 2009
More Americans disapprove (49%) than approve (43%) of Barack Obama’s handling of healthcare policy, hardly changed from views expressed in mid-July.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Matthew,

FACT: We know there the WMDs are -- D Cheney

FACT: We'll be welcomed as liberators -- D Cheney

FACT: There's a connection between Hussein and Bin Laden -- D Cheney

FACT: We don't torture -- D Cheney

Just as real and truthful as your "facts".

Now stop drinking Beck's "wine" and rejoin the real world.

Posted by: lmb02 | August 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Cheney - 41% favor
Obama - 47% favor

Cheney - 57% disfavor
Obama - 52% disfavor

Pretty close! After all the "terrible" things you all say Cheney did, his approval is still very good!

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Mathewslocum seems to be pretty good at making up random numbers to support his cause (87% of the media is liberal, huh? I did take statistics in college, but it doesn't seem to be helping your case much). So far we've learned he loves Cheney, the GOP, Fox News, and war. He definitely hates Obama, news outlets that are not Fox, Jews, liberals, and facts. He's also been actively posting for well over an hour, defending a politician, so we've just learned something about his personal life, too. Mathewslocum, you and Cheney deserve each other.

Posted by: rckstrdave | August 13, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

@MathewSlocum-

Did your parents have any children that lived? As far as America being "mostly conservative" - did you pay attention at all to the last few elections? America is deeply divided right down the middle. And if we are so "conservative" why do the liberals control the Senate and Executive branches?? The truth is the USA is very moderate and doesn't slide too far either left or right. Obama contrary to your beliefs is NOT a radical liberal, or he would have never been elected. He is fairly moderate, and most "left liberals" are now complaining about him because they think he isn't liberal enough. Bush was not an "extreme right-wing" guy either - he merely pretended to be when he needed to to get votes. Ask any real conservative right-wing person what they thought about Bush and his policies. Most hardcore conservatives couldn't stand Bush because they though he was too moderate.

Posted by: member8 | August 13, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

As a Vietnam Vet, and a grandfather who is watching his grandson preparing to deploy with the US Marines to Afghanistan, I praise Vice President Cheney for his efforts to keep America Safe. I want to remind folks that it was John Kennedy who got us involved in Vietnam and it was Richard Nixon who got us "Peace with Dignity".

RESPOND;
Really I and probably every other person here is wondering what is your point besides quoting Chenney. But, I will personaly assume that you are just uneducated about the fact because you watch too much certain media only. I can for sure conclude that you are just one hardcore republican that sees critics as enemy and not as source of some information that could be investigated. My friend, the time of being repoublican is over, but probably the better mews for you is that; the time of being democrat is over as well! Nobody cares, not one single person that gets ellected by and me. So, don't be a black sheep and stamp yourself on forehead with "L" just because you beleive that should support Chenney no matter what just because he is republican. Chenney did harm to this country that you fought for in "Vietnam" and what is even worse he is using your grandson to do more harm and evil. I have no idea what you mean by syaing that Chenney made an effort to keep this country safe. Do some research about our own government that you obvioulsy don't know so much about, and you will realise that you don't need to be fool for them.

Posted by: amos3_3 | August 13, 2009 11:09 AM

Posted by: BOBSTERII | August 13, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

@matthewslocum I am sorry to hear of the loss of your penis may I suggest hair plugs and a convertible.

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | August 13, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

maggots, go and listen to Rush some day. You'll be enlightened. And entertained, and listening to the number ONE radio talk show in the world! Yep!
Liberals love him too!

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:49 AM

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Sorry, but I don't find listening to demagoguery and lying rants to be entertaining, let alone informative.

If you want to discuss the merits of Limbaugh, bring it on, pal!

Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Here's a poll taken in May by CNN which shows the "few" who like cheney. According to this survey, Cheney is just below Obama by 6% points in popularity. Not too bad for someone "few" defend.
I guess we should have the next article titled, "Few defend Obama"! Love it!
Love it when I can prove the article and the others here wrong!

The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted May 14-17, with 1,010 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey’s sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points.


The poll suggests that 41 percent of Americans hold a favorable opinion of the former president, with 57 percent viewing him unfavorably.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Cheney is evil incarnate and put the world in a dark, dark place. He's still trying to stir up turmoil and can't seem to stand Obama's message of peace and hope, and treating people with dignity and respect. Cheney's happiest when the world is filled with torture, murder, war and all kinds of human suffering. Just rotten to the core. It's too bad Bush let himself be so manipulated and controlled. He might have made a good president if he followed his own good-natured instincts.

Posted by: lala6 | August 13, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

RasmussenPollObama: Strongly Approve 29% Strongly Disapprove 37%... Index ... -8 ... Total Approval hits new low at 47%... http://tinyurl.com/preztrack

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

According to Gallup, Obama's approval rating is 53%

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/gallup-daily-obama-job-approval.aspx

Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

maggots, go and listen to Rush some day. You'll be enlightened. And entertained, and listening to the number ONE radio talk show in the world! Yep!
Liberals love him too!

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Here's another fact:

Media 87% liberal

Knowing that statistic (which I hope the readers here took statistics in college)

If the majority of media, liberal, they will automatically hammer any conservative politician. And the do. Why would you think anything different. Read between the lines. The media does not write conservatively. They do not support conservatives. They write liberally. They support liberals.

That is another known fact.

So, when a conservative like myself, comes and defends a conservative,it is natural for the minority liberals who read the minority liberal articles to defend their liberal article.
But you are not the majority even if you are the majority who are responding to this article.
Because no one reads papers or watches news, except for FOX anymore. All other papers, news shows are in bankruptcy almost, except for the conservative radio shows and FOX, who continues to dominate.

That says something else.
Do some research. Go and find out what tv news show is seeing numbers rise. Research what tv news shows are losing numbers.

All you have to do is google search that.
And also go and search out some more facts about Dick Cheney while you're at it.

He is very popular with conservatives.
The best inidicator that someone is very popular with conservatives, is if they are hated by liberals. ha!
I don't disagree that liberals love Obama.
So, the same with Cheney.
FACT! Accept it. And don't judge his policies based on you liberalness.
Accept the fact that his policies were right in sync with the majority of Americans, conservatives.
Accept the fact, that George W. Bush leaned more left than right during his term, and that is why our country voted a democrat into office and in the senate and congress.
The majority of Americans saw that their majority party was not conservative anymore and were not thrilled to go out and vote.
America, on a majority of the times in history, vote republican presidents.
Another fact. Just google that. Presidents in American history.
I'm not stupid. I know my facts. You need to research before you speak.

Dick Cheney is not prolife though. That is the one main non conservative stance he holds. And for that, he would not win an election as president.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

DCar- I use simple mathematics, not the number of people who respond to an article, as my basis.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:31 AM

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You must be using that new Conservative Math in which Rush tells you that 1 + 1 = 3.

Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Leadership that cloaks decision making in National Security keeping so called free people from access to the truth will never be seen as serving the public interest but instead pursuing a secret agenda that serves special interests.

At some point, through peaceful revolution, this country will have leadership that is transparent.

An informed populace feels safer than one that is treated like a child, where decisions are made in secret for the child's so called benefit.

As we mark time we move closer and closer to tyranny.

Today we still have Leadership, as we did in the last administration, that rationalizes their actions are in the people's interest based on good conscience ...
losing site of having taken an oath to defend the Constitution.

if we are reposting ... here is mine.

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | August 13, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I'll post this once more for you liberals who ignore the facts.
Conservatives respect Cheney! This article is bias. And is not telling the facts.

Here's the facts. This president is not well liked by America. The majority of America does not approve of Obama.

RasmussenPollObama: Strongly Approve 29% Strongly Disapprove 37%... Index ... -8 ... Total Approval hits new low at 47%... http://tinyurl.com/preztrack

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

As a Vietnam Vet, and a grandfather who is watching his grandson preparing to deploy with the US Marines to Afghanistan, I praise Vice President Cheney for his efforts to keep America Safe. I want to remind folks that it was John Kennedy who got us involved in Vietnam and it was Richard Nixon who got us "Peace with Dignity".

Posted by: amos3_3 | August 13, 2009 11:09 AM

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Sorry, but it was Eisenhower who sent the first advisors to Vietnam. And there was absolutely no dignity in the peace that Nixon negotiated - if you read the current histories, they will tell you that Nixon fully realized that South Vietnam had no chance of surviving when they negotiated the agreement with North Vietnam.

Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

DCar- I use simple mathematics, not the number of people who respond to an article, as my basis.
Believe me, I'm a conservative. I know what conservative believe. And Cheney is a hero.
Rush Limbaugh, the number one radio talk show in the world hails Cheney and he speaks for millions when he hails Cheney.

I also know that Obama is hailed by liberals.
So, I'm not trying to prove anything about Cheney, I'm stating fact and showing that this article title is completely wrong.
Cheney is very very popular with conservatives. I'm a conservative.
Cheney is hated by liberals. This article's writer is a liberal.

No need to argue that one.

I am only stating one sided bias in this article.

Cheney's book sales will tell us if he is not liked or not.

So, if you are still clinging to ignorance, you believe Cheney is not liked by America, and you are wrong.
All polls taken recently show America more conservative than liberall. Now, based upon that fact, and the fact the Cheney is a conservative, how would you argue that Cheney is not well like amongst most Americans? This liberal article is basing an opinion of what liberals view, not what conservatives view. That is all I'm trying to say here. It's absurd for you to think that conservatives hate Cheney. That's like saying liberals hate Obama. I can agree with those two statements. But the other true statement is that America is more conservative than liberal and based upon that known fact, Cheney would be more popular than Obama slightly. That is a fact. But this article uses liberal bias to make it's case.
Ask any conservative. They will tell you Cheney is well liked. Bush is not. Because Bush left conservative stands, Cheney did not.

Truth, and end of my discussion here.
I had to come and stand up to what conservatives know to be truth.
I'm not arguing that the left hates Cheney. That is a fact also. And so a slightly smaller number of Americans hate Cheney. But that is also true of Obama. A slightly larger number of Americans DO NOT like Obama as president. A slightly smaller number DO LIKE Obama.
This same statistic is true of Cheney.
It's called political parties and there making up of America.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

So, what my numbers prove is that Obama was less popular as a president in his first 6 months of office than President George W. Bush, than Ronald Reagan, than George H. Bush, than even Jimmy Carter.

The media has put one over your head. They have twisted the facts to make this president look more appealing than he is.
HE IS NOT.
And his numbers are declining rapidly.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:20 AM

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None of these other presidents were facing a financial meltdown in their first six months along with two wars. Obama is still far more popular than the previous president who is responsible for the whole mess.

Posted by: maggots | August 13, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Torture, secret prisons, illegal and indefinite detentions, fake WMDs, Plamegate, executive power expansion and abuse, contempt for the electorate, Haliburton profits in Iraq, thousands of dead American citizens and soldiers, a trampled constitution, shall I go on? His rightful place in history is standing before the International Criminal Court, hearing his sentence with head hanging in shame.

Posted by: rckstrdave | August 13, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Cheney's crimes against humanity should not be mitigated under the umbrella of "protecting his country." He has committed crimes against humanity that dwarf the loss of life at the World Trade Center. Of course, Cheney isn't the type to place any value on human life.

Posted by: Vickie803 | August 13, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Dick Chaney and GW BUSH could have a face to face spitting contest to settle this once and for all!

Posted by: ryan_heart | August 13, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

So, what my numbers prove is that Obama was less popular as a president in his first 6 months of office than President George W. Bush, than Ronald Reagan, than George H. Bush, than even Jimmy Carter.

The media has put one over your head. They have twisted the facts to make this president look more appealing than he is.
HE IS NOT.
And his numbers are declining rapidly.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

@matthewslocum - 1) you are killing what credibility you might have by acting like a petulant child. "Shut up Tunatim"??? That's a response? I can say whatever I wan't, but you can't? Seriously, grow up.
2) I think your "Cheney's conservative ideology is IN sync with the majority of americans" is pretty much completely and utterly disproved by nearly every election result in the last 2 years.
3) Uh, duh - this article was stating that few of the people WHO COMMENTED ON GELLMAN'S ARTICLE were defending Cheney. Go back and count the number of defenses, divide by the total number of comments, and reach the mathematical statisic about the number of commenters that defended Cheney. That number will be "few".

Try using a fact or two in your arguments, and you MIGHT fare a little better.

Posted by: DCar | August 13, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

One of the few great things Bush did was to finally take a stand against his puppeteer without even breaking stride or going unfriendly. Cheney's problem is that he thinks he has something to offer and therefore should control the world and being the shadow president isn't even enough. He plays sort of an evil part in the play and everybody knows it but some people buy into the mask and that empowers it. Certainly we live in a land where he can have his say and write what he wants. God willing, his kind will never be a majority in my lifetime.

Posted by: GaiasChild | August 13, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

So now the Dickless Cheney is calling Dubya "a little kitty" in his second term. Makes you want to shed a tear for both of them doesn't it? Not really. What's he going to call his little comic book: "The Last Apparachick."

Posted by: benighse | August 13, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

marqua2205- sorry ignorant again!

Here's the latest poll out today, Rasmussen poll:
RasmussenPollObama: Strongly Approve 29% Strongly Disapprove 37%... Index ... -8 ... Total Approval hits new low at 47%... http://tinyurl.com/preztrack

Overall, 47% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. That’s the lowest level of total approval yet recorded. The President’s ratings first fell below 50% just a few weeks ago on July 25. Fifty-two percent (52%) now disapprove.

Obama's approval rating in first 6 months lower than Bush's rating in first 6 months.
Taken from gallup poll, usa today article:
"Barack Obama, who completed six months in office Monday, has a 55% approval rating in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, putting him 10th among the dozen presidents who have served since World War II at this point in their tenures.
At 55% overall, Obama's approval rating is a tick below that of George W. Bush at six months. It is well above Clinton and Gerald Ford, who was hammered for his pardon of Richard Nixon.

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Obama, on the other hand, chooses to put Chavez Venezuala and Hamas Palestine above his own country's interests.
... Read your history books, my dear.

Good Lord, so you are one of the folks drinking the propaganda kool aide put out in the public school system ...
South America has had Corporate America come in and extract their natural resources selling them to the world and in return the people of those countries receive pennies. This is why Venezuela Ecuador and Bolivia have voted in their leadership ... as these Presidents have said enough, I represent my people not Corporate America.
As far a Hama goes they would not exist without Israel neither would the war on terror exist if it were not for our foreign policy. Good Lord... you version of the truth shows how well you dig for the truth.
I am willing to be you still buy into the propaganda that Russia was the aggressor with Georgia last year, to get the truth at teh time you had to go outside the country and read the foreign press.
Please be aware of your filter.

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | August 13, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

It's so clear that Cheney wants to portray himself as a victim of his sock puppet Bush, and thus avoid any responsibility for the massive failures of his term in office. Alas,
we all know who was really running the show, and Cheney should man up and claim his deeds.
If he really did not care what people thought of him, he would never be writing this memoir.

Posted by: chappell1 | August 13, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

As a Vietnam Vet, and a grandfather who is watching his grandson preparing to deploy with the US Marines to Afghanistan, I praise Vice President Cheney for his efforts to keep America Safe. I want to remind folks that it was John Kennedy who got us involved in Vietnam and it was Richard Nixon who got us "Peace with Dignity".

The real efforts are never known until after the events, no matter who rewrites the history books. There are no versions of 'truth'.

God bless Vice President Dick Cheney and God bless President Barak Obama.

Pray for our leaders, don't speak evil of dignitaries. They need our prayers, not our curses.

Posted by: amos3_3 | August 13, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Poor Dick Cheney. Will someone just find him a new girlfriend, or new boyfriend. He seems to have lost his way once again. No doubt he will have to start his own "Dick Cheney Show" just to get any promotion for his comic book tour.

Posted by: benighse | August 13, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Please, Matt Slocum, tell us more about the "ignorant Jews," and how Christ taught us to "stand up" to our enemies.

You seem to represent the Republican party here. Why don't you tell us exactly what you want to do about President Obama. Thanks.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | August 13, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Shut up Tunatim! You're an ignorant baby! You live in this free country because of leaders like John Adams. Go read John Adams by Mccullough. Get a little brain added to your body and try and understand what makes this country work.
It's not liberal standards.
We are the greatest nation on the earth because of our conservative standards. And now that the government wants to take even more away from us so that we can look nice with the other socialist countries and fit in, our people are yelling out at the stupid leaders in this country at the time. Stupid, idiots! Stupid because they want to look good with the world . STupid because they think we need to drive little baby cars and put light bulbs in our sockets that all cost outrageous amounts of money. Stupid because they think it's ok to wage a war in afghanistan but no in Iraq. obama just put the largest number of troops in afghanistan and the consensus is that this war over there is not succeeding. So, what do you say about going over there? It's ok if a liberal that you love sends troops over with no direction or back up, but it's not ok to send them to a country where weapons of mass distruction were observed to be there? Where the leader killed thousands of people? Where the leader threatened to blow us up?Where the leader refused to follow UN sanctions? Where the leader denied women their rights?
You are ignorant. And you need to grow up and read more of history. Stupid, all of you!

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Why conservatives insist that the majority of Americans do not support Obama - is very confusing.

Obama won the election - and he still holds more than a 50% majority aproval rating. Does that not indicate that most Americans do support him?

We meet a lot of American tourists here in Italy - and I have to note that former or current Bush Supporters all align their dislike of Obama to the high amounts of money being spent! Interesting since so little of your economic support package has been spent and the bailout funds which have been spent were approved under Bush.

Sounds like soug grapes to us!

Posted by: margaux2205 | August 13, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

A story about a story. Slow news day?

Posted by: rjohnson2842 | August 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The 'dry' drunk' who really never WAS elected the first time and I can remember how DARK that motorcade was and it felt like a fascist was taking over, which is what really happened and you know what? Bush DESERVES all the bad publicity even from the slimier of the two. Just shows the character of the worst administration we have ever had and we LOST 8 years to their fascist dictates.

Posted by: heidilee2 | August 13, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

This is simply push-back on Cheney by the Obama administration for Cheney's comments on interrogation.

Posted by: BubbaRight | August 13, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Lauri1, Ah but you are a liberal! So, you hate Cheney.
But I am a conservative and love him.
Nothing he did was secretive or evil to a conservative. He always acted on putting America first.
Now, Obama, on the other hand, chooses to put Chavez Venezuala and Hamas Palestine above his own country's interests.
Obama chooses to support a leftist Zelaya over a democrat government who saw the tyranny he was forcing on their country.
Obama condemns our very own heart, our businesses who have created the best of america.
So, you hate Cheney because you are a blind liberal.
Well, you are a minority. cheney is loved by the majority of Americans because America is conservative not liberal.
You think as a liberal and therefore, you hate any conservative who believes in America first, who loves the heart and soul of America. A conservative believes that the free market, people who are left alone from government can create success. They also believe and understand their enemies. They know that talking nice and being popular is high school kiddy mentality and they are mature beyond any liberal way of thinking. A liberal wants to believe that talking nice and playing nice is going to stop tyranical evil leaders. That will never work. If we don't stand up to enemies, they will destroy our country. You are safe because of Cheney. Your life has been spared because of leaders like Cheney, and he doesn't mind the immature, ignorant view you have of him because he knows he did what was necessary to save this country.
Just as Christ suffered for the ignorant Jews and others who condemned him. They hated him because he stood up for what was right.
Read your history books, my dear. You are wrong and someday hopefully you'll grow up to the reality of what makes this country grand, free, and loving of all other nations. We stand for truth and right.
Love it and know that Cheney is a hero!

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

@matthewslocum: that's right, you just keep on repeating that to yourself and someday it will come true. Try clicking your heels together a few times - I hear that also helps. Look out! There's a death panel right behind you!!

Posted by: BigTunaTim | August 13, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The link at the end of this article does not work. When you go to the actual article being discussed, you can read the story but you can't see the comments - the number just stays at zero.

Is this an actual technical problem or did the neo-con cabal at the Post throw in a monkey wrench to prevent more people from reading or writing about their Dear Leader?

Posted by: bigbrother1 | August 13, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Cheney will likely have the shortest book promotion tour this decade:
1) Rush Limbaugh Show
2) Fox
Then, promotion over.

Posted by: SPrec56361 | August 13, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Your average citizen has no idea of the threat this nation faces from stampeding green elephants. Every morning, I spin around three times and stick a pin in my Osama bin Laden doll to protect this nation from green elephant attacks. The fact that we have not had a green elephant stampede in over 50 years is proof of how effective my methods are. If Dick Cheney deserves more credit than he's getting for keeping our country safe, then so do I.

Posted by: n_mcguire | August 13, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Cheney is ready to spread the poo by revealing the attendees to the "energy task force" confab he hosted and refused to reveal.

Posted by: ppbjno1 | August 13, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Why would anyone with one iota of sanity defend a creature such as Cheney?

The 20st century had Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, etc...

Cheney was the first bloody dictator of the 21st.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | August 13, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

A great comparison to Cheney is Obama.
Obama is hated with conservatives.
He stands for everything liberal.

The only problem with Obama is that his leftist ideology is NOT in sync with the majority of americans, as Cheney's conservative ideology is IN sync with the majority of americans.

America is still a conservative country.
It's the leftist media that tries to portray us as turning left. That is farther from the truth.
Obama's failure as president will be because he is a liberal. America does not live liberally. The media minority does.

Cheney stands up to the bully media and they hate this and him for it.
But, conservatives absolutely love it.
I'm not speaking for republicans. There is a segment of republican party who are liberal also. But, the majority of republicans hold Cheney very very highly.

His book will sell tons! And the media will hate it!

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Leadership that cloaks decision making in National Security keeping so called free people from access to the truth will never be seen as serving the public interest but instead pursuing a secret agenda that serves special interests.
At some point, through peaceful revolution, this country will have leadership that is transparent. An informed populace feels safer than one that is treated like a child, where decisions are being made in secret for their benefit because the population can not handle the truth. As we mark time we move closer and closer to tyranny.
Leadership rationalizes that they act in our interest based on good conscience ...
although they take an oath to defend the Constitution.

Posted by: AmericanSpirit | August 13, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

It is amazing that senility sets in on someone and no one including family members can see it with this man. Time and time again his theories on WMD's etc have been thoroughly debunked but he single mindedly keeps babbling on. The old proverb of giving someone enough rope and they will hang themselves will ultimately prove true with Dick Chaney. All he is doing is sticking another nail in his coffin, in print no less, so a lawyer will not even be able to spin it to save his rotten neck if and when they ultimately decide to prosecute him. If that happens, and he is hoping for a Presidential pardon appearing no one in their right mind will want to get their hands dirty.
Last but not least, for the Republican party, if they do not realize it, he is their Waterloo. Instead of people being able to forgive or forget the mistakes they made, this idiot is bringing them up over and over again!

Posted by: michaepr | August 13, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Totally 100% disagree with "few defend Cheney"! Rush Limbaugh and the majority of conservatives defend Cheney.
It's once again, the media leftists who try to bash every conservative who voices their conservatism.
Well, cheney is one who could care less about the left media and voices his clear conservative opinions and WINS big with conservatives every time.
He is a champion to conservatives.
His Iraq policies are all in sync with the information given for war.
Just as media is trying to hang Palin, so too they try with Cheney.
This book will be big!
Cheney just bugs liberals because he stands up for conservatives!

Posted by: matthewslocum | August 13, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney's audacity is astonishing.
He is truly the most evil person the U.S. government has ever had the misfortune of having in office. What would possibly make him think that anyone is interested in his views?

The only thing I hope to learn about Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove for that matter, is that they are both prosecuted for their crimes and abuse of power, and are led away to prison in leg irons.

Posted by: Lauri1 | August 13, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Cheney should be very careful. The Bush Crime Family takes loyalty very seriously. Bad things happen to insiders who turn and challenge them. Baby-Bush's Dad ran the Republican Party, was head of the CIA, president of the USA and appointed the Majority of the Supreme court. It's one thing for the commie-pinko lefties to attack but, from the Neo-con?? Not OK. Don't tick-off Barbara. She won't let you hide out at the Paraguay Ranch.

Posted by: thebobbob | August 13, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Cheney played an important role in the Bush administration: He prevented the assassination of Bush. (Hint for those from Rio Linda: who would become president if Bush was assassinated?)

Posted by: SparkyVA | August 13, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

His name says it all DICK Cheney enough said

Posted by: lildg54 | August 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Cheney is an aging, neocon monster. After 4 heart attacks, and a pacemaker, this Hitlerian pig, just goes on, and on, and on.

Posted by: a101 | August 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Lifting the 1998 Clinton sanctions on Pakistan in the week after the 9/11 attack made 9/11 a strategic defeat for us. If you search Pakistan nuclear sanctions unjust you will find many references before 9/11 to this topic. See the complete 9/11 timeline. Also look at this article:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2001/09/07/edmansoor_ed3_.php

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Pakistan:Leaving U.S. Sanctions in Place Would Be Grave
By Mansoor Ijaz, R. James Woolsey and James A. Abrahamson
Published: FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 2001

In the following week Bush lifted sanctions, rewarding Pakistan for the attack. Bush Rice Powell did little to stop Iran, North Korea or Pakistan.

Posted by: OldAtlantic | August 13, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

cheney is indefensible.
Someone tell cheney the mortal danger he fears is *HIMSELF.
Much of the world would like to uncloak our frustation with cheney and bush, investigate and indict.
Worst administation in US history, voters for bush/cheney unable to admit mistake, just like bush/cheney.

Posted by: jama452 | August 13, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Cheney can't accept the fact that he was wrong on so many fronts, eg WMDs, torture. Not the least of which he stated, deficits don't matter and now look where we are. He is just one hell of a nasty dude who has helped to set this nation back many many years.

Posted by: wayneleng | August 13, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The article states "But there is a sting in Cheney's critique, because he views concessions to public sentiment as moral weakness." As a yellow-bellied draft dodger, Cheney has no standing to to even utter the word moral. He is a career coward who wouldn't fight his generation's war but couldn't wait to send other people's children into harms way. This old Marine would love to take him out behind the barn for some "moral instruction."

Posted by: carl29098 | August 13, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Cheney is indefensible.
Someone tell cheney the mortal danger he fears is *HIMSELF.
Much of the world would like to uncloak our frustation with cheney and bush, investigate and indict.
Worst administation in US history, voters for bush/cheney unable to admit mistake, just like bush/cheney.

Posted by: jama452 | August 13, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I NEVER THOUGHT ANYTHING COULD MAKE ME HAVE EVEN A MORSEL OF RESPECT FOR GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE CALAMITY OF HIS 8 YEARS IN OFFICE. HOWEVER, DICK CHENEY MAY HAVE PROVIDED ME WITH A REASON TO HAVE A VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT OF SYMPATHY FOR A MAN WHO WAS OBVIOUSLY OVERMATCHED FROM HIS FIRST DAY IN OFFICE. THE SAYING, " THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND" MIGHT JUST COME INTO PLAY IN LEARNING THAT DICK CHENEY IS POSSIBLY TURNING ON GEORGE BUSH.

Posted by: drrob4life | August 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Cheney Must be indicted for conspiring to Torture and his involvement in exposing a covert CIA Officer. This guy is scary!

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Posted by: johnhkennedy | August 13, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Dick Who?

Posted by: MikeV2 | August 13, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Cheney's excuse is all about preventing a rogue country from getting nuclear weapons.
But promoting foreign policies of selling weapons of mass destruction to anyone who claims to be a friend, just like training Osama Bin Laden's army from a group of rag tag fundamentalists to a fighting force which helped bring down Russia and now is a thorn in the side of the free world.
Hate and greed breed hate and greed.
Mr Cheney is a very focused but short sighted disturbed individual. I almost feel sorry for him.

Posted by: keithlb28 | August 13, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

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