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The runaway winner in drawing comments from our readers this morning is Dana Milbank's column reporting on Rep. Joe Wilson's rude interruption of President Obama's speech to Congress with the words, "You lie," when the president said his health care plan would not cover illegal immigrants.

More than 1,500 comments have been filed as of this writing. Many decry the outburst of the South Carolina Republican who later apologized. Some defend Wilson and repeat the charge the president is lying. Many comments underscore Milbank's central point that "the nation's rapidly deteriorating discourse hit yet another low."

Some see racism in the GOP reaction to the president's speech, including some of the stagecraft -- shuffling of papers, remaining seated in response to some politically neutral applause lines, etc. Some think Wilson damaged the Republican party.

We'll start with fabricmaven1, who wrote, "I never liked George Bush... I wished that he didn't get us into two wars. I wished that he didn't give tax cuts to only rich people. I wished that he respected women more and didn't have a Theocratic agenda. I wished after eight years that he would go away and that Senator McCain wouldn't win in 2008. I would have been horrified to see my party disrespect The office of The President."

rogden71 said, "In the spirit of our Commander-in-Chief's plea to bring civility to our health-care debate, all Americans should ignore Rep. Joe Wilson Republican of South Carolina. Apparently, he did not learn manners as a child."

But aloysius1 wrote, "The low came in Obama's outright lie. Thank goodness someone has the guts to call it out right now. You are so hateful Dana!"

senatorblbo, tongue firmly in cheek, said, "As a devout Republican, I say this man is a hero! You democ-rats are finished... Unlike your party, we have learned from the events of 1930s Germany, we have read and reread Mein Kampf, we know the power of the Big Lie and how an appeal to the lowest instincts of an idiot populace can enable a small group of dedicated ideological fanatics can overthrow a democracy. The future belongs to us."

joneshn asked, "What is the penalty a member of Congress can receive for calling the President a liar during a joint session. Disgusting behavior worthy of censure."

jenzinoh wrote, "I simply cannot believe we have reached the point where a member of Congress decides to heckle the President of the United States during a de facto State of the Union. Congressman Wilson of South Carolina, if that was indeed you, you ought to be ashamed. You aren't I realize, but you ought to be."

colorado102 said, "I didn't vote for Obama and don't agree with many of his policies, but he doesn't deserve all the grief he is getting from all sides for trying to solve a legitimate health care problem. Especially the likes of Wilson of SC who sunk to a new low tonite in calling him a liar before a joint session of Congress. Makes me wonder if this country is becoming ungovernable..."

sdl63 wrote, "Joe Wilson was surely no gentleman, and he chose the wrong place and way to express his frustration, but this is hardly the end of civilization as we know it. And the truth is that illegal aliens will get health care and those with private healthcare will lose their insurance. Why would employers pay for health insurance when the government will pay for it?..."

AJBF said, "Although they are outrageous and disgraceful, one has to be grateful that Wilson and his ilk continue to drive nails into the GOP coffin. They are too myopic and bigoted to see that Obama was elected by a significant majority who are sick and tired of this type of political charade. Have these fools looked at the GOP poll approval numbers??"

esg719 wrote, "The sadness of our country is that we have individuals who will do their best to destroy any type of democracy in order to feed their racism and their "we are better" attitude. The ridicule they throw at anyone who is a different color, has a different idea, a different race, or not a Republican is the gasping of their attempt to hold to a changing world..."

And kravitzkravitz said, "...The real problem is Wilson just gave credence to the notions that the GOP is a racist party simply bent on saying no to a charismatic, intelligent black man..."

twm1 wrote, "...I think it would be good for the US to adopt the British practice of Question Time which forces the Prime Minister to appear before Parliament every week and answer questions from members of the H of C. Hubert Humphrey used to advocate this. An uninformed and inarticulate President (e.g., George W. Bush) would be quickly shown for what he is in Question Time. Someone like Obama, I expect, would come out very well."

karlanne1 wrote, "Rep. Joe Wilson should not be returned to office. Period."

JoJoItaly said, "I am not mad at Congressman Wilson for voicing his outrage over any Health Care reform bill that will use my tax dollars to pay for illegal immigrants and abortion. Why are we rewarding people who have broken the laws of our country by allowing them free healthcare?..."

tponcary wrote, "I admit Joe Wilson was out of line shouting at the President during his speech. However, I suspect, Wilson had to be fairly riled up to respond in that manner. Here's my guess, Obama WAS lying."

Lefty_ asked, "Can you imagine the level of outrage from those Wilson supporters if a Democratic Congressman had heckled a Republican president. Can you imagine the language in the posts in this forum? Can you imagine spittle flecked, vein popping faces of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck as they lambasted that Congressman, the Democratic party and all liberals who have ever lived?"

zackool wrote, "If there was any question that the republicans are hostage to the nuttiest of wing nuts in their base, last night pretty much cleared it up."

mongoose1 said, "Wilson did more to unify democrats than anything Obama could've done all night. His outburst, which I'm sure he planned, was a disgrace. He should resign. If he won't resing he should be censured."

We'll close with Barbin, who wrote, "The President was eloquent, cogent and clear-speaking. He and Ted Kennedy have it right--it is a test of the nation's character whether we will help those who cannot help themselves. The President will pass the test. Will the Congress? On civil debate, the GOP with the waving of paper and the outburst by Cong. Wilson have shown that civility, respect for the Institution and respect for the nation's citizens rank low. I always like to think that I can be civil and hear out the other side--this time, I don't think so."

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By Doug Feaver  |  September 10, 2009; 7:45 AM ET
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WASHINGTON — It was a rare breach of the protocol that governs ritualistic events in the Capitol. In an angry and very audible outburst, Representative Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, interrupted President Obama’s speech Wednesday night with a shout of “You lie!”
This was a front page story after the President Obama’s speech in Capital Hill. The only reason that this story made me to write about it is the obvious racist nature of Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina. His face pictured, when he uttered those words shows deep hate not only for the president who is not white, also for the subject matter. To be more specific President Obama was saying in his speech that “Democratic health proposals would not cover illegal immigrants”. And yet Rep. Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, would not even believe a statement from “Non-white” president about health care coverage for“ Non-white immigrants. This shows Rep. Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, is deeply racist.
Nobody in the Capital Hill told George W. Bush “You lie”! Although we all know by now that George W. Bush lied to American People many times about Iraq-War. Why did Rep. Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, did not open his mouth then, in spite all the opportunities he has had? Only because those lies came from a white President and he (Rep. Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina) had no hateful racism for him.
People of South Carolina are obligated to show their outrage, quickly and unequivocally, regarding their Representative racist outburst, and start the recall campaigned for Rep. Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina. I hope South Carolina make a right move and show that Rep. Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, is in a very small minority in South Carolina.
Marchello,
Snellville, GA.

Posted by: thebullss | September 14, 2009 3:25 AM | Report abuse

If this crime of the century can be used to saturate the news for a few more days then Democrat activists disguised as journalists won't have to waste ink talking about that non story where ACORN was willing to help a pimp and a prostitute set up an illegal brothel with our tax dollars using underage girls smuggled in from El Salvador. Vote fraud cases in 13 states is non news. Over $50 million tax dollars already given to ACORN with the potential for another $8+ billion in stimulus dollars is chump change not even worthy of an audit or a drop of newspaper ink. But calling a liar a liar when the liar is the Messiah and it's Constitutional Blasphemy, the likes of which this world has never seen.

Posted by: mpm2 | September 14, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Talk about disrespect for the House Chambers. What shows more disrespect than for the President of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to stand in that hollow chamber and spit out lie after lie to the American People? Joe you go boy. You just stated what 70% of the American People believe; but we won't have the chance to tell him what a liar he is to his face like you did. After all, the reason we send you people to Washington is to speak for us and represent us. I'm glad to see a white man with balls again.

Posted by: orbarb | September 11, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe this man is going to suffer a lashing for what he did. Is not every applause break a disruption as well? Are only positive disruptions allowed, not a single one initiated by the opposition? A single one, I said, not fifty of them like we all had to sit through whenever He stopped speaking at a planned "applause point". Indeed, this is starting to look LESS AND LESS LIKE AMERICA.

Posted by: bhpj | September 11, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm an old Republican. I ask, is Joe Wilson truly an American? If he is, how can he show such disregard the dear history of that chamber, the momentus decisions that have been made there, the true American representatives that have participated in honest debate to arrive at a system of laws that would allow him to make such a statement and not be shot or confined.

How could an elected official show such public disregard for the President of the United States and the people that he(Wilson) serves, conservative or democrat? He should be forced to take a walk through Arlington Cemetary to rekindle a little of his respect for this great country. Bad news, Joe. You should go home.

Posted by: NoJoeWorkin | September 11, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Some see racism? Surely you jest. The race card is the lame default defense tediously trotted out by all those white liberals who voted for Obama because of his race.

Can you say pro-jec-tion?

Giving self-absorbed bleeding hearts the benefit of the doubt only encourages them. The Prez wants to call the liars out? Let's have at it!

Posted by: elgropo1 | September 11, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

joe wilson is just another moronic, ignorant, insulting,foolish son of the confederacy!!these republicans like boehner,mcconnell, cantor and this buffoon wilson have done nothing to cooperate with our president. by the way you republican bigots you and your damned party have played a huge part in bringing our nation to disaster,you republicans had quite a bit of time in power over the last 30 years.what have you republicans done to resolve the health care crisis?? the answer is nothing!!! could it be that you have taken too much money from insurance and pharma??? and because most of you don,t care about the struggles of average citizens!!our nation needs healthcare reform not your deliberate misinformation propaganda or your disruptive tactics!! mr. wilson I don,t what is worse, you or your republican party or the ignorant rednecks that keep voting people like you into office!!take that confederate flag and stick where the sun doesn,t shine!!

Posted by: demonskull7 | September 11, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama's speech is already forgotten. Joe Wilson is covering the news. Obama got called out as he should have. To stand and lie to the Nation is not acceptable. Obamacare is dead, next up we need to drive a stake into the heart of cap and tax. 2010 cannot get here soon enough. These Spendocrats are going to be sent home in mass. There is a lot of anger in the Country over the debt, the spending, the printing of money, and Obama and the Spendocrats prattle on about health care. Fix the economy stupid, sorry President Obama.

Posted by: Bubbette1 | September 11, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I live in South Carolina and I am embarrassed at Rep Wilson's outburst. There is a time and place for healthy debate but Wilson's actions were an embarrassment to the people he represents, as well as, disrespectful to the President. I can not believe anyone would think this outburst acceptable.

Posted by: Gsc116 | September 11, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Once again, the media and Democrats are being blindsided over the stupidity of Joe Wilson. Since last night, and all day today, the media and the Democrats in Congress have been consumed with Joe Wilson. This totally distracts from the President's message, which should have been the focus. Yes, Wilson's opponent has raised thousand's, but now the right wing will colesce behind Wislon and raise even more. I fear that the whole issue of illegal immigrants will shape the debate, and this is one are of discourse that Dems do not want to entertain. This is a disservice to the President and his message.

Posted by: NYCPOL | September 10, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson came across as "Joe the Plumber" or in his case, "Joe the Dumber". One regressed step away from the total incivility and disrespect for the office of the President. And then to apologize and say his emotions got ahead of him! Grow up, fella, that's an excuse for a badly-parented toddler.

Posted by: 10emlet | September 10, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Joe is now an American Hero! He was the only one in the chambers that spoke the truth. Every Republican and honest Democrat, if that is a possibility, should have stood up with Joe and loudly backed Joe up. Eight months of smoke and mirrors is eight months too many. They had language in the Obamacare bill that required E-Verify to check eligibility but they removed that language. Why? We have 36,000,000 illegals in our country today. If we can't keep um out of our country and off the socialist freebe rolls how do we hope to keep um out of Communist Health Care? We have to start calling um like we see um. Blow away the smoke,break the mirrors, and tell the truth, no matter who doesn't like it.

Posted by: old1 | September 10, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I get nervous with folks, no matter how strongly they feel, call our President anything but our President. "Obama", "ObamaCare", etc. are as distasteful to me as "Bush" was previously. This country elected a person to serve in our highest office and that office and the person sitting in it deserve the highest respect.

Therefore, Representative Wilson's outburst is not to be accepted. I'm happy that our President is magnanimous enough to accept the apology -- his status demands that Rep. Wilson receive punishment. We are a land of traditions, after all.

But we sure can all disagree vehemently with our President and correctly predict that if he continues to defy a large part of the American public the first thing that will happen is that we will vote in a Congress that will do our will, not his. Mr. Wilson was just voicing what a lot of voters feel and although the warning should not be taken lightly, the forum was absolutely wrong.

Posted by: tommariner | September 10, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"The beef is in the $350,000 Wilson's democratic opponent, Rob Miller, has raised since last night from 10,000 people. Chew on that."

Too little. Too late. Wilson's support and resulting fame for his moment of truth is just beginning. No need to respond - neither of us know yet - we'll see when the dust settles and the votes are counted.

Posted by: prsmithsr | September 10, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

prsmithsr wrote: "I just don't understand what the dust-up is all about. The man is a pathological liar. Everybody knows that. Where's the beef?"

The beef is in the $350,000 Wilson's democratic opponent, Rob Miller, has raised since last night from 10,000 people. Chew on that.


Posted by: Fate1 | September 10, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"And for any of you that do think he was lying, must I remind you that to participate in his plan, to join in on the free public Health Care Service you will need a Drivers License, a Social security card, maybe a birth certificate. Do you know any illegals that have these documents."

Absolutely, virtually all of them. $50 will get you a set on most any street corner in most every city in America.

I guess once he legalizes all 12 million of them (again), that won't be an issue any longer. God help us and our country.

Posted by: prsmithsr | September 10, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand what the dust-up is all about. The man is a pathological liar. Everybody knows that. Where's the beef?

Posted by: prsmithsr | September 10, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I think it was outrageous for Congressman Wilson to call out President Obama as a liar on National Televsion. I do not care really about your opinion of the bill, or which party you belong to, it is rude and ecspecially disrespectful to interrupt the President during his speech ecspecially to slander him. And for any of you that do think he was lying, must I remind you that to participate in his plan, to join in on the free public Health Care Service you will need a Drivers License, a Social security card, maybe a birth certificate. Do you know any illegals that have these documents. This isn't like universal health care. You don't just go into the hospital and be treated. You still need insurance information. To be eligible you need to be a citizen.

Posted by: BPetty | September 10, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

seebelow scribbled: "So Joe Wilson was "rude" to Obama? Well, what about Obama being rude to the US Constitution by refusing to confirm his birthplace?"

OMG, a birther. Hey, why not show us your birth certificate? Until I see it I'll assume you are working illegally here. Get out of my country and don't use any health care on the way out!

Posted by: Fate1 | September 10, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure that Patrick Henry never said, "Is everybody o.k. with this?" after his little outburst! Do we still live in America or did we hand ourselves over to Castro or Chavez when I wasn't looking? I can only imagine that "anarcho-liberal-tarian" would have told Patrick Henry to shut the "F" up as well. Real constructive. I personally believe that it's about time that we all stood up and spoke up-with or without permission. I applaud the actions of Joe Wilson and shame on any lawmaker that knew Obama was lying and didn't call him on it immediately or walk out of the room. Apologize for it- now that's a joke. Since when did Americans ever apologize for calling a tyrant or future tyrant on his proposed tryanny.

Posted by: cmcapcathletic | September 10, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

So Joe Wilson was "rude" to Obama? Well, what about Obama being rude to the US Constitution by refusing to confirm his birthplace?

Until Obama does the simple act of releasing his hospital birth certificate signed by the doctor showing his birthplace, I'm don't think he is entitled much respect. Such respect is reserved for legal occupants of the Office of President.

Posted by: seebelow | September 10, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The outburst was rude but at the same time, Mr Wilson was correct factually in calling the president a liar. Obama and co. are planning a huge loophole that illegals can easily take advantage of and the Democrat's plan will force American citizens to pay for it. Obama is just saying something different. I'm glad this issue is getting more attention because I don't want to pay for health care for 20 million illegal aliens when we have our own problems and our own American citizens to worry about first.

Posted by: luncheaterguy | September 10, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

While questionable as to time, place and appropriateness, Wilson's words were the most honest words spoken during the entire speech.

Posted by: steveb777 | September 10, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

leorising wrote: "Also, while there may not be a stipulation directly in the health care plan with regard to "Illegals getting free health care, while we pay for it. It is true that that is because they plan on giving all the illegals amnesty."

If you remember it is republicans who want to give illegals amnesty. The demigod Reagan was first to give amnesty followed by GWB who said he wanted it but Congress said no. If you don't want illegals to get amnesty its simple, don't vote republican.

Posted by: Fate1 | September 10, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

You Lie! Not Joe Wilson. Rep Boehner was just on TV reading the exact provision in the House bill that would allow illegals to be covered. And, of course, amnesty is coming, so "illegals" won't technically be "illegals" any more. And they'll continue to use hospital emergency rooms for primary care. Obama is the liar.

Posted by: Bearbank | September 10, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Also, while there may not be a stipulation directly in the health care plan with regard to "Illegals getting free health care, while we pay for it. It is true that that is because they plan on giving all the illegals amnesty.

Posted by: leorising | September 10, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

While I do believe Mr. Wilson could have curtailed his reaction a bit, I do hot blame him one bit for what he did. There are millions of Americans who were thinking the same thing. But it was President Obama who said himself in the speech: “If you misrepresent what’s in the plan, we will call you out.” Well that is what Congressman Wilson was doing, wasn’t it?

And just go back in the archives and listen to how the democrats "Booed" President Bush during his 2005 State of the Union Speech and how they shouted down his remarks about the need for Social Security reform. But it's ok for the "dems." Right! Check it out if you don't believe me.

Posted by: leorising | September 10, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Wilson is another unfortunate poster child for the GOP: loud, white, ignorant, angry.

Posted by: g_y2k"

Way to inject race into the issue, g_y2k! You go, brother! Let's just get rid of all the Republicans and there will be no more loud angry white people. Oh, wait. There are loud, white, ignorant and angry Democrats as well.

Posted by: BillyBob7 | September 10, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

For mmonett1 above...no, you are not the only one who sees the racism in the paranoid and hysterical lies, disrespect and demonizing of this President by right wing pundits and their congressional lackeys. I am a middle aged white male and it is obvious to me. The sub-text is clear, and sometimes explicit (GOP rep. looking for "a great white hope", or the hysterical mom I saw who "can't stand the thought her children would have to listen to that stuff" [presidents school speech]. I think it is like watching fearful villagers as King Kong picks up the white girl.

Posted by: jpferg1 | September 10, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Idiots with quotes like this pretty much sum it up... "Obama can't handle the truth"

Listen up, moron. Yes, you, the moron.

Joe Wilson was the liar. There has NEVER been a stipulation for illegals in health care plans.

WHAT IS IT about the right wing and their compulsive lying? Coupled with their drunken bar-room bravado?

It is beyond a lack of civility or lack truth. It is about a loud minority of angry white folks who have lost their collective minds. If it wasn't so dangerous, they would be a laughing stock of the world. Pathetic, a new low in a year of lows for the right wing.

Posted by: tdub55 | September 10, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

If Joe Wilson's wife Roxanne is actually a CIA agent would it be appropriate for Obama's people to out her for revenge since Wilson's comment makes her "fair game"?

Posted by: Fate1 | September 10, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson, (R) S.C., demonstrated an even more grievous error than those who shout, yell and deliberately interrupt town-hall meetings in regards to health care reform that they oppose. Joe Wilson did it while in attendance at the Congressional assembly during a speech by the President of the entire U.S.A. I am thankful that I do not live in the great State of South Carolina.

Posted by: denniscav | September 10, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Wilson's redneck mindset has no place in today's political scene. The lack of respect shown to the President last night is totally unacceptable, regardless of how one feels about health care reform. Keep the boomerangs coming GOP. They will be the same boomerangs to knock you off your pedestal!!

Posted by: katbr1219 | September 10, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Where was Wilson when Palin spoke of "death panels"? That was a lie.

Where was Wilson when the Florida RNC chair said Obama was going to indoctrinate school kids? That was a lie.

Where was Wilson when some said Obama has no birth certificate and is not American?

It seems some lies are truer than others to Wilson.

Posted by: Fate1 | September 10, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

We as a country owe our president the respect of the office. To agree or disagree with a policy is the right of each and every citizens, but in the correct forum.
It greatly concerns me that the respect for the office of the president has deteriorated to this level.
President Obama deserves better from people who should know better.

Posted by: gpict | September 10, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Cause he won't let health reform pass
Joe Wilson thought he would harass
Obama mid-speech,
A protocol breach
Displaying a deft touch of crass.

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Posted by: jd121 | September 10, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

First off Senator John McCain said on NBC's Today Show that Rep. Joe Wilson was incorrect on whether immigrants would be covered. Period!

Another thought. What would of been the reaction to a comment like "Liar" made to George Bush during a joint session of Congress to his claims of WMDs in Iraq in the build up of the war.

I can only imagine the cries from the GOP of "traitor"!

Posted by: ssaintc | September 10, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Wilson is another unfortunate poster child for the GOP: loud, white, ignorant, angry.

Posted by: g_y2k | September 10, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

It is so typical of right wing republicans such as Joe Wilson to hollar out
that Obama is lying. Right wing republicans would rather have health care
be so expensive that individuals will go bankrupt trying to pay health care
cost. Right wing republicans would rather see the triple charging of health
care procedures that is currently going on in hospitals throught the country.
Right wing republicans would rather see all americans pay redicfulous prices
for prescription drugs as it is currently.

As far as they are concern, it is about their priorities not the nation
as a whole. Of course they are backed by those who profit from health care
such as the drug companies.

This is another example of how our country is breaking apart due to selfish
agendas. Simply put they don't give damn about those of us who can't afford
health care as it is now. So what do they do, they lie about the conditions
of this health care bill.

Such hipocrits, these are the same group of republican that when they held
power did virtually NOTHING, but blindly pass funding for the Iraq war that was not
necessary. And they went along with the LIE that our formal president & his
vice-president spread about the pretents of going to War with Iraq. Of course
no only did they make the situation worse, but they got all wrong. Now Iran
very close to getting nuclear weapons "you know weapons of mass distruction".
Of course that lie was not really a lie let them tell it.

Posted by: jabrown2 | September 10, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Here's what republicans need to pay attention to:
From the AP:
"In the eight hours since Wilson's outburst, his Democratic opponent, former-Marine Rob Miller, has received nearly 3,000 individual grassroots contributions raising approximately $100,000, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee said."

If republicans think their childish behavior is going to fire up their base, they should also consider how it is firing up the democrat's base, not to mention the independents.

Posted by: Fate1 | September 10, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Rep. Wilson should have attended his normal AA meeting last night instead of the President's speech.

Posted by: portnoy0308 | September 10, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Quit with the race card, it's getting a bit weary. We all know that Obama won the election-he's told us that over and over; we all know he's president-he's told us over and over; I must say though that when he states "no illegals will be covered" it is a falsehood as there is no mechanism within the bill to 'prevent' an illegal from getting coverage. I was brought up to respect the office of the presidency but as this present office is just about as radical as they come, and not for the good or benefit of the American people, I'm going to make an exception.

Posted by: ANNIRICH | September 10, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

It is, no doubt, a day of infamy for every South Carolians, who voted this man into office. By showing disrespect to the most respected American president, senator Joe Wilson has displayed the internal culture of the individual. These sort of misplaced enthusiasm by distressed Republican senators serve nothing other than prolonging the extent of their political wilderness

Posted by: ponnumon | September 10, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Would all of you people quit with the race card bit; it's getting a bit weary. We all know Obama won the election as he's told us plenty of times; we all know he's president as he's told us plenty of times about that too; we all know he's about as radical as they come as premised by his umpteen czars; I was brought up to respect the office of the presidency but in this case I'll make an exception.

Posted by: ANNIRICH | September 10, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Disorderly conduct. Joe Wilson can't get his way. Behaving as a kid, he would do best to take his ball and go home.

Posted by: alwaysAlabama | September 10, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

So what that Joe Wilson yelled out "you lie" during the president's speech last night. Has anybody seen these town hall meetings? I love how the left was all for Bush (and I'm no Bush fan or defender by any stretch) getting a shoe thrown at him but incensed over this. Really? Everybody needs to get off their damn high horses, democrats AND republicans.

Posted by: lazerjock66 | September 10, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Decorum says that Joe Wilson shouldn't have shouted "You Lie" during Obama's health care informercial last night. That being said when Obama says Obamacare won't cover illegal aliens he is lying and I'm sure he's smart enough to know it. Obamacare doesn't explicilty cover illegals but it also doesn't contain any kind of enforcement mechanisim to keep them getting taxpayer funded health care. You can also tell how the Democrats really feel about this by the fact that they voted down a Republican amendment to the Obamacare bill that would have explicitly banned illegals from getting goverment funded healthcare.

Posted by: RobT1 | September 10, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I know this ain't the UK, but doesn't this happen all the time over there?

Dems were too scared to call Bush a liar.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Last night reminded me of two of the reasons I spent nine years serving my country: So that an entire cast of clowns could willfully demonstrate their venally boorish behavior and outrageous claims in a moment of total disrespect and intolerance without fear of reprisal. And for the population to simply accept being lead around by fear, misinformation and gross manipulation because of our own ignorance and apathy.

At the end of the address all I could do was look at my 13 year olds son and shake my head. It is his generation that is going to pay dearly for the backward drift this country has endured for the past 8 year and perhaps the best thing I can do for him is get him out because I have lost faith.

Posted by: erthdog | September 10, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Any senator, no matter what side of the aisle they sit, should respect their Commander in Chief. This was childish and Joe Wilson was hardly representing the citizens of South Carolina. Even his apology was to save his own skin and nearly as lame as his outburst. He treated this speech like he would a 4th grade class.

Posted by: carolo43 | September 10, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

So how can Wilson call Obama a liar while another republican is holding up cards asking "What Bill?" and "What Plan?". Seems the republicans say there is no bill but Obama is lying about the bill. Are they trying to have it both ways? Oh, I forgot, this is the party of expecting to have it both ways. This is indeed the party of Limbaugh/Cheney.

I agree with the notion of a censure. He apologized but I don't think it is good for Congress to let such behavior in its chambers slide. If the republicans think they can get away with this behavior then the next joint session will be chaotic. Lay down the law Polosi.

Posted by: Fate1 | September 10, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I am ashamed of my home State of South Carolina. We are usually strong enough to hold our own with any debate but we don't engage in passive aggressive, childlike behavior.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | September 10, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Joe Wilson behavior was not only outrageous in it's disrespect to the President but to our country as a whole. He has shown his contempt for civil discourse, has represented his South Carolina constiuents with loutish behavior and made us all disgusted that a grown man, an elected official, a Washington hand, could act that way. The health care issue a serious crisis. He is clearly unable to grasp that point. His behavior is an affront to us all.

Posted by: jstamm1 | September 10, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Mr Wilson isn't fit for office. He is a disgrace... please resign!

Posted by: wolfewalk | September 10, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Personally I think the rude behavior by many of the Republicans was orchestrated, just as the disruptions at the town meetings were orchestrated. Wilson just went a bit over the top, said his bit part too distinctly while there was a quiet moment. He was a boor and a jerk but so are many of the others. They tried the wrong venue to come across as classless thugs. It may energize some of their thuggiest supporters but I think it will speed up their loss of support with more responsible adults in this country.

You can see they are desperate. They know that a health plan would be popular and they have thrown all their energy towards defeating it. Just like the Republicans got worse and worse with their howling before the November election. Full steam ahead, ignore these obstructionists!

Posted by: catherine3 | September 10, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Now the whole world knows what a scumbag Wilson is. He and every so-called conservative out there.

Posted by: drindl | September 10, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I for one was NOT surprised by the congressman Wilson remark to seek his fifteen minutes of (fame). I am disappointed and appalled by the lack of RESPECT for the office of the President by this person and ALL those that think like him! For me, it was another example that a man of color in America is often depicted, portrayed and characterized, seldom are they ADMIRED. This man is the President of the United States, elected by the MAJORITY vote of the Populist. He is due the RESPECT and HONOR of the OFFICE. One may NOT agree with the Policies he may want to legislate through the halls of Congress and close minded individuals but RESPECT the Office as they respected the office of former presidents.

Posted by: grfaulkner | September 10, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Boustany was sued for a former partner for nonpayment of compensation.

Boustany was sued in 2001 by his former partner, Richard Dearman, for unpaid compensation owed to him from 1999 and 2000. Dearman also alleged that as a partner with 30 percent stock in the Charles W. Boustany, Jr., M.D., Ltd. medical practice, he was owed his unredeemed stock and portions of income from account receivables collected after Dearman withdrew from the medical practice. The case was settled out of court for an undisclosed amount. (Dearman, Richard, M.D. v. Charles W. Boustany, Jr., M.d.,Ltd and Charlses W. Boustany Jr. Case No. 2001-2776-G 15th Judicial Court, Lafayette Parish, Louisiana)

This is the man the GOP choose to rebutte the president. Kinda telling isnt it?
Wilson your name will go down in history. You should read the bill. It clearly states no health care for illegal aliens. I am sick to death of the GOP and their contiued lies and rudeness.

Posted by: patisok | September 10, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

WIlson's comments reinforce the sad fact that the inmates are now controlling the asylum that used to be referred to as the Republican party. As one who carried a voter's Reg with an "R" on it for over 30 years (until recently), I am sad over the demise of what once was a respected and effective voice. The mean-spirited and raucus environment of today's republican party seems to attract more of the same from the shadowy and dark corners of the extreme right and radicals of all colors.
This adversarial mindset demeans the Congress and should embarass the few "real" conservatives left....
Sad

Posted by: searider | September 10, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Next lie will be that tax cuts for the wealthy are bad or immoral. We all know that the Federal money given to GM & Chrsler was wasted on stupid, lazy, shiftless workers. They only do a good job when managered by their German or Japanese masters. Every dollar in relief or tax cuts to these losers in one less dollar for our hard working Wall Street Executives!

Posted by: Bush2 | September 10, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

A big Thank You to Rep. Joe Wilson! He said what most right thinking, God fearing Americans think! He won't show us his Birth Certificate because he was born in Kenya. Won't show us the placenta or cord blood either, by the way! He gives speeches to our innocent young children to indoctonate them with his muslim, communist, socialist beliefs. When will this madness stop?

Posted by: Bush2 | September 10, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The truth...hhuumm..is this a multi-definition term...Let's see..

Wikipedia says :"The word truth has a variety of meanings, from honesty, good faith, and sincerity in general, to agreement with fact or reality in particular.[1] The term has no single definition about which a majority of professional philosophers and scholars agree, and various theories and views of truth continue to be debated. There are differing claims on such questions as what constitutes truth; what things are truthbearers capable of being true or false; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative, objective, or absolute."

Clearly Joe Wilson had no intention of using any of these definitions. The one he choose clearly only applies in the deep south or in his racist brain.

Should be expelled TODAY.

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | September 10, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Wilson, has the manners of a hog. The man shows up posing as a "lawmaker" but behaves like a bar room brawler Look at the satisfied faces of his repub colleagues as he spews his ignorance. Right in line with their own idealogical idiocy.
How does one have "bi partisan" communication in this country when the republican party is are more bi polar than bi partisan?
Hmmm. Sad, sickening, imbecilic, hypocritical. Sums up the Republican party. Oh, I forgot, they are frothing at the mouth about abortion,yet so many of them are adulterers. They should hand out barf bags at meetings of the House of Reps.

Posted by: hello3 | September 10, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Now that Mr. Wilson has apologized for his uncivil comment perhaps President Obama can now apologize to the GOP and the citizens of this nation who have dared to disagree with Obama's "interpretation" of the health care bill for calling them "liars" and using the "lie" word twice before Mr. Wilson exploded.
Here we go again, Democrats have no problem using the words "lie" and "liars", but are outraged when they receive an in-kind response.
Obama owes all of us an apolgy for calling us liars just because we reject his propaganda, and it is time for all Americans of conscience, liberal and conservative, to demand an apology from Obama.

Posted by: MARKM2 | September 10, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

It's all about how you've been raised...

Posted by: blarsen1 | September 10, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see that there are quite a few Joe the Wilsons pasting their comments here. Now I read on the BBC that little Joe has apologized for his outburst. Can we expect his emulators to follow suit? I doubt it.

The question of "illegal immirants" qualifying for health care is a moot point. How many illegal immigrants want to get themselves arrested and kicked out of the country by registering at a hospital? What sort of social security number will they fill in on the hospital's form and other such matters? Funny how the "big lie" technique from the forties suits the Republicans so well. I won't even ask what Boehmians mean when talking about putting lipstick on their favorite schweine-hund.

Any Republican dare to defend Scrushy and Health South?

Chris Brown in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | September 10, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse


GOP: dying southern regionalist party

Posted by: lichtme | September 10, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter which side of health care reform you're on, the outburst was despicable and irreverent.
Please sign the petition to have him censured by the U.S. Congress.
http://bit.ly/vLfAW

Posted by: MrXindeed | September 10, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Everybody is missing the real purpose of this speech. The future will reveal this to be a political master-stroke. He has managed to isolate and marginalize the Republican base as the only group in the country still yelling NO. Coming just after the President's call for civility from the Republicans, Wilson's outburst was a stroke of good fortune for Obama. The sullen reception the Republicans gave the speech was predictable and another reason why Obama chose this forum.

Posted by: Durlabhji | September 10, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

No - You lie Joe Wilson.

OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.

THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them.

Posted by: BobSanderson | September 10, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Um, did anyone notice that Obama actually WAS LYING? I'm more disturbed that only one person was apparently offended enough at witnessing the President of the United States blatantly lying to his own country to even react to it.

After 8 years of listening to Democrats claim that "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" and cheering for Iraqis who throw shoes at their own President, I have to say this is pretty delicious. Did you see how Pelosi reacted? There's nothing quite like breaking up one of Obama's teleprompter-supported puppet shows to really freak out our supposed enlightened superiors.

Posted by: zippyspeed | September 10, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I have been a registered Independent for almost 20 years because I honestly believe progressives, centrists and conservatives have a lot of good ideas. However, when I look at the current Republican membership in the House and Senate I see very little valued added for the country from this entire crew. Joe Wilson's outburst last night was embarrassing. I'm sure he isn't the worst person in the House on either side of the aisle, but we elect these people to represent us, and they should all bring a basic skill set and a high degree of maturity with them to resolve very complex public policy matters. The only thing that seems to matter anymore is money so I will send his opponent a donation. Too many people are making no effort to compromise and be reasonable and I have lost patience with them, especially the Republicans.

Posted by: maxfli68 | September 10, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Why is Joe Wilson so upset? Simple. Follow the money.

Just look at how many of his 2010 contributors are health care related. His #1 contributor is the American Hospital Association, but among the top 20 are the American Speech Language Hearing Association, Blue Cross/Blue Shield(!), Carecore (a specialty benefit MANAGEMENT company, American Society of Anesthesiologists, and AstraZeneca PLC (pharmaceutical).

Joe Wilson, a fool and a tool.

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00024809&cycle=2010&type=I&newMem=N&recs=100

Posted by: flameworker321 | September 10, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Civility in public discourse will be vastly improved once Bush and Cheney are hanged at the Navy Yard for their having committed 9/11. Even tremulous public servants are welcome to download a free copy of The New Pearl Harbor from Google Scholar, to at least know the truth though fearful of expressing it.

Posted by: iamerican | September 10, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

STAND UP!!!! FREEDOM!!!!! PASSION!!!!!


MR President!!!! YOU LIE!!!!

I say LOL you go BROTHER!!!!

Posted by: darkriverman | September 10, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Here is my guess, Jow Wilson is use to being surrounded by thugs and has encouraged thugs to attend Townhall meetings and thought he was at a Townhall meeting. He was also surrounded by others who seemed to enoy his out burst and more than likely helped write the talking points of lies and fear tactics funded by his corporate sponsors...!

Posted by: LeeMentley | September 10, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

JoJoItaly said, Why are we rewarding people who have broken the laws of our country by allowing them free healthcare?..."
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Do you also protest the fact that your tax dollars are paying a pension to others who have broken the laws of our country such as GW Bush, Dick Cheney, and other members of the Bush Administration?

Posted by: OHREALLYNOW | September 10, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I am so very very tired of every time anyone says anything in disagreement with this administration they are instantly branded a racist. I disagree with the forum Mr. Wilson picked to vent, but there has been way too many of the special appointments and czars.
You have real proven racist, 1 who wrote about the uses of mass sterilizing (Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment) 1 who believes animals have rights over people, hunting should be banned, and the 2nd amendment is a federal right not an individual right. Wrote the book (Democracy and the Problem of Free Speech)! 1 That quit Sunday and was a self pronounced communist. The reverend, the x-terrorist, the racist professor-his friends. Doesn’t make for a real trusting environment .HUH?

Posted by: srp11 | September 10, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Thank you to "Richard18" for the information on Article 88.

Posted by: smilesrfree2008 | September 10, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me that some of these people did not actually listen to President Obama's speech very well or chose to ignore what he said. And how can anyone call him a liar when they do not even give him a chance to prove the points he made last night about the Health Care Bill. Senatorbilbo should really read the Mein Kampf but what really is shameful about his/her comments is that to compare our President to Hitler's Mein Kampf is blasphamous at the very least! The Republican Party was created by wealthy rich White businessmen and that Pary has never changed! Interestingly, they are not unlike the Arian party of Hilter. Anything that President Obama tries to change from the past fiasco government of Bush's administration, they will go against. Well, America voted for Change! And Change is what President Obama is trying to accomplish without the stupidity and bigotry of the Republican Party, which has become an embarrassment for this country. Amazing how they do not remember how our allies basically turned away from us in the past 8 years but have now come back to us and we even gained new friends from the not so friendly countries of the past. So I think the Republicans should start changing themselves or a lot of them will be voted out even by their own constituents who will not benefit from their Party Leaders' stupidity, racism and bigotry.

Posted by: karenannl | September 10, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson's opponent in SC is ROB MILLER. Send him money! His website is backed up, but you can contribute at actblue. You won't be the first, and don't be the last! Get Joe Wilson back to South Carolina to stay, and for good!

Posted by: KNiZ | September 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

"A (moving) picture is worth 1,000 words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

Please spare us all the sanctimonious indignation/hypocrisy regarding the heckling of any president.

Posted by: eurota"

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I watched your link and while I heard some disagreement, no one called the President a liar. Time for Mr. Wilson to step down.

Posted by: cricket35 | September 10, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

South Carolina, what an embarrassment.

Prior to this, South Carolina was known for Senator Preston Brooks savagely beating another Senator with his cane on the Senate floor.

Were South Carolinians horrified? No, they sent Brooks canes with the phrase "Hit him again" on them.

An embarrassment to civilization.

Posted by: hitpoints | September 10, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

So Joe Wilson yelling liar, bad.

Democrats booing during Pres. Bush State of the Union address in 2005... okay?

Get off your high horse liberals. Civility in the Congress has NEVER existed, but it has been a convienent fantasy to believe it has. The only differnce is now the media exists in much greater strength and numbers to point out when their favorite president is on the receiving end of boorish behavior.

Posted by: Bailers | September 10, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

It's so obvious that all of the "fuss" is being stirred up by "Big Insurance." These guys, like Joe Brown, have probably been on the payroll of the insurance companies for so long that their terrified that their "business partners" will start losing revenue.
It makes me sick to think that there are negotiations in DC based between the health and well being of my children versus the profits of Blue Cross and United Healthcare.
Shame on anybody that would consider the thought of defending these companies, after they have bullied the American public, the sick, the dying, the poor - just for a profit. To hell with big insurance, to hell with their cronies in Washington, and if you are foolish enough to believe these guys - to hell with you.

Posted by: piratepirate | September 10, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The problem with the Republican party in Congress is that they are all fundamentalists, and if not, they have to bow to their fundamentalists leaders. There has never been a nation or a group who could conduct rational, civil discourse in this situation. The very nature of fundamentalism is that you must have one point of view, you must listen to the decision that has been made about it and there is no room for compromise. If there were it wouldn't be fundamentalism.

The reason for the sort of "frat boy" mentality during the speech last night is that you do not sign on to this party philosophy if you are one of the world's great critical thinkers. Most of them have cheated on their wives, they live together in a house on C Street or belong to "The Family" and in fact this creates a frat house mentality. In short, these people are not that bright. It may be a symptom of something psychological. I know a man who is a math genius but I saw him picking his toes at an indoor company "picnic" before going to the table. Welcome to your new, Rush run Republican party. Their social skills, their "manners" are lacking, or never taught at all. I'm just glad there were no spit balls.

The frightening part is that the President said some things last night that people really need to know. One is that McCain's insurance proposal was to take away incentives for companies to cover their employees. This means that no longer would you go to work and sign up for insurance. You would go out in the market and get insurance as an individual or a family. If you had a sick family member you would have to drop them for everyone else to be covered. Also, as a big company has clout, it is difficult for insurance companies to deny claims to people. when you have insurance on your own you have the clout of one person... you. The insurance company will drop you every time if you get sick. Then you would have to sue and spend a lot of time and money that you may not have. This plan is what insurance companies have been praying for. They would never really cover a sick person again, even if they paid premiums for 20 years.

People need to know that the President's plan was the opposite of this. It is ILLEGAL to drop coverage or refuse coverage. This is the best plan for the public.

Posted by: MuchAdo1 | September 10, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Addison "Joe" Wilson, is just one more Vietnam law school draft-dodger who nows play dress-up as a S.C. Guard JAG officer, trying to compensate, with Lindsay Graham, for his failures as a man and as an American. A real estate lawyer/Mammon-worshipper, he is a fraud and an empty shell. He is accursed, without honor or dignity.

Elect of The People, President Obama is anointed of G-d, by "Annuit Coeptis."

Posted by: iamerican | September 10, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

As someone noted above Presidents have been boooed before. The booing has to do with the policy recommendations, not direct personal attacks on character. As a matter of protocol in parlimentary rules you never personally attack a speaker, it not only demeans the speaker, but obstructs the process of civil discourse necessary in representative government. To support Joe Wilson, is a direct attack on the Republic. I.e., you are not a patriot.

If you can't hold it in then you shouldn't be in such a vaunted position as Representative. There are many others that can take his place for the party.

Posted by: sarlat | September 10, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Most republican's are rude and ignorant take John Boehner and Mitch McConnell for instance,don't see much intelligence there .Isn't there another republican dud from S. Caroling named Sanford?-how about Lindsay Graham nothing to brag about there either

Posted by: LDTRPT25 | September 10, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Wilson was right. Obama has and continues to lie and deceive about the consequences of this plan. The public plan is a Trojan Horse intended to drive employer based insurance out of business. Barney Frank and Obama were both caught on tape saying as much.

Drudge has Harry Reid's quotes calling Bush a loser and a liar as well as the Dems booing during the State of the Union. Pelosi was just as bad. No one complained about disrepecting the president when Bush 43 was in because the press supported it. They hated him. They never accepted the 2000 election results. Democrats created the toxic site that is now public discourse. Now they have to live in it. They're getting what they deserve.

Additionally, their overreaching statist agenda is suffocating the country. The mismanagement of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, the federal budget, etc, etc. has no bearing on their insatiable socialist tendencies.

The smart thing to do would be to allow these incendiary issues to be handled at the state level. If Vermont wants to be a green socialist dope smoking gay haven, then I say go for it. Just let other states decide for themselves instead of forcing everyone to be a Vermonter.

It's either that or the country eventually splits up.

Posted by: maxtel1910 | September 10, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Wilson is an office in the National Guard and can be court-martialed under Article 88 for showing contempt to the Commander-in-Chief.

Article 88: Contempt Toward Officials: Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.''

Posted by: Richard18 | September 10, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson, you are an embarassment to all those you represent(?) and you should resign immediately.

Posted by: campagni | September 10, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine if Joe Wilson had called the President of Iran a liar on national TV (or any time for that matter)? His seat would already be vacant and his coffin almost finished.

Posted by: wegmmc | September 10, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Speaking as an independent, Wilson's outburst was inexcusable given the setting, but listen to Obama calling people liars also was not needed in his address either. It was much more divisive and political than needed even though he will be praised for his oratory skills as usual. There always seems to have to be a strawman to hate, and the vitriol just gets worse and worse from both sides. It was indeed pitiful having to listen to republicans use words like un-American when responding to Democratic criticisms about Bush but how disgusting now to hear democrats throw back the likes of bigots, racists, Taliban etc. as they respond to republican criticism. The level of discourse has devolved to nothing more than name calling and trying to demean others, and no one wants to discuss the message anymore, it is always attack and destroy the messenger. And in all honesty, I feel the media feeds into the frenzy by becoming more of an opinion media than news media. Just read the postings here as you pointed out and it is poster pitted against poster after the first few that speak to the message which is then forgotten. I feel that the atmosphere will only continue to get worse until no civil discourse will be heard among the name calling and hatred being spread to anyone who doesn't agree with you. This is change I know I never expected in that it would get worse instead of better.

Posted by: justmyvoice | September 10, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

A (moving) picture is worth 1,000 words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

Please spare us all the sanctimonious indignation/hypocrisy regarding the heckling of any president.

Posted by: eurota | September 10, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

mmonnett1, No, you are not the only one to see the racism here. To call an the President a liar was outrageous and totally unacceptable. Where was the Republican leadership that should have spoken out and said that type of behavior is unacceptable? Where was Boehner, McCain? Everyone knows we need healthcare reform and the issue of illegal immigrants was not an Obama problem . . . it's been a past Republican and Democratic problem under both Bushes and Clinton who allowed the illegal immigrant problem to swell during their tenures. American politics, thru Mr. Wilson, have hit a new low and the constituents of South Carolina should be totally embarrassed and Mr. Wilson should go in front of the American people and give his apology. All Americans were offended and not just the President.

Posted by: cricket35 | September 10, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that Joe Wilson was correct in his outburst is either illiterate, stupid, or covert racist.

Posted by: Red-z | September 10, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson is working with a mob mentality, or is lost to the opposition party's fraternity spirit of enjoying a grid-lock rather than any substantive improvement on healthcare. I propose that we threaten or deliver on a promise to take away the free health insurance of every member of Congress, indefinately, starting immediately, unless all Americans can have what they have, and then let's see just how long they take to come up with a bill for ALL OF US AS GOOD AS THERE COVEARAGE!!!!!!

Posted by: jbarish313 | September 10, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I am not surprised that a lowly congressman from the backward state of South Carolina would interrupt the president with his remarks. Republicans are in the minority because of their ineptness. I hope it stays that way.

Posted by: truth1 | September 10, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson proves that Van Jones was right in at least his case.
Republicans are A holes

Posted by: jldubnoff | September 10, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson.

Joe the plumber.

Not the average Joes.

They need to leave the country and conquer someone.

Like the Taliban.

Posted by: bs2004 | September 10, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Since Joe Wilson and many in the GOP are so opposed to a health care "public option" I think it best that the Grand Old, and I emphasize OLD, Party's elected members withdraw from the government health plan that they are now receiving and act responsibly by individually covering the cost of their health insurance. Perhaps the GOP should organize their own healthcare cooperative? Free markets forever. (This has been a public service announcement from socialists for a better America.)

Posted by: manray123 | September 10, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the comment made by mmonnett1. It is not overt racism as in the past, but you all know damn well Wilson would never had acted like that if Truman, Johnson, or even Jimmy Carter was making that speech. He did it because he thinks that because Obama is a black man that the office can now be disrespected:

"Southern congress members who, like the extremists they pander to, engage in uncivil discourse that they would NEVER dream of doing with any of the white males that have previously held the office of President, no matter how much they may have disagreed with their policies---am I the only one to see the obvious racism here?

Posted by: NJCV | September 10, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I was in complete shock over the behavior of someone that is a member of Congress, it does not matter what party he is part of, his outburst is unacceptable. I keep reading that he may have a "penalty" or be "punished". What exactly does a penalty or punishment consist of for a member of Congress?

Posted by: smilesrfree2008 | September 10, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Fact is, Mr. Obama is acting like a gentleman toward the Republicans.

Frankly, we don't need them. We WON the last election because we offered a change to the status quo. We have the votes in both houses of Congress.

Mr. Obama should simply man up and tell the Republicans to get on board or get out of the way - that if you can't roll with us, we'll just roll right over you, end of story.

Posted by: ceefer66 | September 10, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Stop drinking the kool-aid. Rep. Wilson is now a HERO for speaking out and saying what millions of Americans have been saying about this President and his creation of a shadow government. But it was BHO who said himself in the speech: “If you misrepresent what’s in the plan, we will call you out.”

That’s what Congressman Wilson was doing, wasn’t it?

And that’s what Democrats were doing during W’s 2005 State of the Union Speech when they booed and shouted down his remarks about the need for Social Security reform. Put down the kool-aid and start paying attention, please!

Posted by: JPK2000 | September 10, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Southern congress members who, like the extremists they pander to, engage in uncivil discourse that they would NEVER dream of doing with any of the white males that have previously held the office of President, no matter how much they may have disagreed with their policies---am I the only one to see the obvious racism here?

Posted by: mmonnett1 | September 10, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Republicans can't recognize truth from fearmongering. Is Joe Wilson the President? No. Then sit down and shut the F up.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | September 10, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Look on the bright side. At least Mr. Wilson didn't throw his shoe at the President....

Posted by: hyblean | September 10, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Obama can't handle the truth

Posted by: Phil6 | September 10, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

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