Max, Michael and More Debate on Public Option
Once again, our Readers Who Comment have turned their attention to the health-care debate, posting more than 1,200 remarks about the Senate Finance Committee's decision not to include a so-called public option in reform legislation.
The committee's decision came on the same day that Michael Moore was in town plugging his new movie and threatening the political future of Democrats who oppose a public-run health insurance program. Columnist Dana Milbank is having a wonderful time with Moore, Democrats and the Senate Committee.
Moore's films do not please the right, putting it mildly, but also do not please all Democratic voters -- a considerable number of whom also oppose a public option. Poll results vary. So the comments on Milbank's sketch attack Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who as chair of the Finance Committee opposes the public option because he says it will sink the whole reform effort. The also attack Democrats, praise or eviscerate Michael Moore, and complain about the state of the nation generally. Meanwhile, millions of Americans are without health insurance.
We'll start with this exchange, which pretty well sums up the arguments on the health-care reform subject:
hipshot wrote, "... A private-sector based plan will have imperfections. A public-sector plan will have imperfections. Either way, a lot of other people who blew their money while I was scrimping and saving will get their fingers into my onshore bank accounts. I prefer the private sector because it will help retain a separation of powers and it is reversible if we don't like it. The libs want a public, irreversible plan that permanently tilts the country to the left and shifts the balance of power permanently in their favor. Its all about power and control."
To which levermontois1 replied, "Ah. Apparantly hipshot would prefer private insurers, big pharma, and the private medical industry to get their fingers on his onshore accounts that he scrimped and saved for. I guess getting sick and forced into bankruptcy is preferable as long as it's done by private industry."
MNUSA wrote, "Too many of our representatives after spending decades in Washington being wined and dined by lobbyists are clueless. I'm tired of being invited to spaghetti dinners, auctions, and other types of fundraisers to help people pay for medical care...This is the United States of America and it is an abomination that we have 47 million uninsured. Pass health care reform legislation with a strong public option!"
Now to the debate on the relevance of Michael Moore:
B2O2 wrote, "Michael Moore may have an abrasive, over-the-top style, but can anyone disagree with his conclusions about this Congress? They are clearly looking out for the health insurance industry more than the American people. [Sen. Kent] Conrad [D-N.D.], [Sen. Bill] Nelson [D-Fla.], and company need to go."
But bryan2369 said, "If a fat, loudmouthed hypocrite roars and no one listens to him, is he relevant? No, he is not. Keep stuffing your fat face with pigs in the blanket, you rich scumbag."
And axxionx12 asked, "Anyone see the irony in Michael Moore using the US capitalist system to sell and promote his movie across the US?"
And finally to other comments. All this stuff on just one column.
hartman_john observed that "Baucus = process. Baucus only cares that he can have a vote take place. It doesn't seem to matter what the Senate votes on, only that they vote. This is akin to blinders on a horse. If you can't see the problem, then no problem exists. Were Baucus to actually take off his blinders, he would note that the entire congress is beholden to Big Healthcare, Big Pharma and Big Business..."
garyag wrote, "We've got the best democracy money can buy: it's one dollar one vote, not one man one vote. And so, "public option" is dead..."
univac2020 said, "Fratricide is the killing of one's brother-the insurance companies and pharma are not our brothers. They are the sole true beneficieries of this health care proposal-not the citizens of this country, I fear that you have bought into the idea that we are here to subsidize rapacious, inefficient health conglomerates."
tropicalfolk wrote, "The "public option" is the most stupid idea ever. It keeps the corrupt health insurance industry in place, and forces the government to come up with some $1 trillion. Fixing the U.S. health care system requires major surgery, to remove the cancerous tumor: the health insurance industry... But it won't happen in our lifetime. You betcha."
inedal said, "all congressmen have a socialist medicine health plan! yet they deny govt-run medical care to other americans. if they think private insurance is so great, why don't these hypocrites opt out of the plan they have and buy private insurance instead?"
firstname.lastname@example.org wrote, "We need the public option. McGovern's proposal to put everyone on Medicare is a great idea. Baucus gets campaign money from health care folks so he is tainted."
hokie92 said, "It's totally appropriate that Dems and Republicans alike realize their votes on this bill will make or break their political futures. The pressure will come from both directions however. Dems from conservative districts that vote the bill are equally done."
prossers7 wrote, "The problem has always been between Democrats. Obama's rhetoric blaming Republicans has been foolish and the public knows that. If you can't pass a bill with a straight flush of Democrats in control, then the problem is not the Republicans, bubba."
CopyKinetics said, "What is clear is that Democrats from small states with captive insurance markets are taking lots of special interest money and blocking real heathcare reform. Nothing Baucus can do will result in 60 votes, including selling out to the Republicans, who are good for absolutely nothing but defending the status quo."
ericnestor wrote, " 'Democratic Party' is a misnomer; it's really a confederation of differnt tribes that attempt to split the baby on every issue before them. Problem is, the tribe in control is supported by the President, who rules with an iron tongue. This is why the 'Democratic Party' struggles to govern once the campaigning is done."
We'll close with DwightCollins, who said, "this is the fault of the leftist extremists in the dem party... seems compromise is no longer an option...and civility is dead..."
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