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Snow, more snow, global warming

The story that's getting the most reader comments today is about President Obama's proposal for a televised summit with Republicans on health-care reform. Some think it's a good idea and some think it stinks and I'm going to ignore them and worry about the snow that has buried us right here in River City.

Our readers are worried about it too. Some wonder where the snowplows are. Some say things are okay where they live and praise the removal efforts. Some argue about whether this is proof of global warming. But only one reader blames Obama, and that with tongue in cheek. In case you missed it, we have at least two feet of snow on the ground, a prediction for more coming tomorrow, a shuttered federal government, an embattled Metro transit system and many unplowed streets, especially in the suburbs.

We'll start with bnglfn, who wrote, "it's a change to see washington paralyzed by something other than republicans and a mess not made by the government. hope y'all enjoy the beauty."

XMLMaestro said, "It is all Obama's fault!"

maphound said, "Its global warming! Seriously. The Artic ice is melting like crazy and dumping billions of gallons of water a minute into the north Atlantic. This is just the start..."

But Apostrophe wrote, "Oh my Gosh! It's "Global Freezing"... Quick, call a licensed climatologist!"

And rg019571 offered, "My road/driveway and sidewalks are clear. Thanks, Al Gore!"

liberalsareblind said, "This global warming is just killing my back after shoveling tons of snow off my driveway."

pkhenry (who filed an anti-Obama comment on the story about the joint public health-care summit proposal) wrote, "There s no indication that the climate is any more extreme than in the past. Washington's record snowstorm was in 1922. What caused that? The only thing that has changed is that liberals have grown increasingly neurotic."

thebuckguy complained that "The Post seems to have joined everyone else with "the sky has fallen" coverage... As snowstorms go, this has been an easy one if you live in the city. The main thoroughfares are opne and even sidestreets are at least walkable and there's limited Mtro service available... My guess is that the carbound suburbs are another story..."

OldCoot1 said, "This news is wonderful; the government is finely doing something in Washington D.C. They are clearing the streets. It's the first thing they have done for the public in years."

oracle2world wrote, "Hey, if you want to reduce energy use and Save the Environment, you just have to make some sacrifices. So why is everyone so worried about this? People should be down on their knees, thanking God for this opportunity to reduce their carbon footprint!"

ghp60 said, "It's a great opportunity for the Federal workers to have another excuse, besides I'm just too tired, to not come into work. For the Federal worker it doesn't matter whether it's 2" or 28", whatever it is it's enough to have to stay home."

dontblamemeivoted4gore wrote, "What about the blizzard we had in 1966? I recall as a kid building forts under the snow. There were better than two feet of snow on the ground back then." [I lived in the Baltimore suburb of Glen Burnie during the Blizzard of 1966 and didn't dig the car out for four days, partly because it would have been impossible to get anywhere on unplowed streets.]

singleseatbiggermeat wrote, "For the sake of posterity -- if not accuracy -- please don't use the National Weather Service totals from National Airport any longer. I quick review of the official NWS totals from every county and city within 25 miles of DCA shows that the lowest measured amount -- by close to 10% - is DCA. Amazingly, just 3-4 miles away the NWS reported 28" away in Ballston. 18" at DCA? Officials in DC, Virginia, and Maryland WISH it were 18"!" [Bob Ryan's been making the same point on Channel 4.]

We'll close with this appeal from valjalo1 said, "we live in elkridge md in howard county - the snow total is 38 inches. we have not seen a snow plow and are literally marooned at our house. this is bad - dangerous even - we do not expect to see a plow until Tuesday. its just that bad! i am tired of seeing the reports of bare pavement - people in this part of howard county need the roads to be cleared!!! especially before the next storm..."

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By Doug Feaver  |  February 8, 2010; 7:18 AM ET
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RE: Plowing.

The plowing of main roads is a disgrace. It is over 48 hours since the last flake and Connecticut Avenue is bare pavement on only two or three lanes, and the outside lanes will be obstructed for a very long time. Downtown office blocks are passable in many instances only with 4x4 with good clearance. Where have the plows been? I understand about secondary roads not being plowed, but main roads need to be fully cleared. Get some front end loaders and dump trucks! What is wrong with this city?!?!

Posted by: jay4811 | February 8, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

What caused and ended the ice age?? For some of you that keep arguing for global warming, the earth's climate has been changing for millions of years. There are scientists on the other side of the issue whose voices are not being heard.

Posted by: DanT1 | February 8, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I will be happy to use "climate change"--I hear the climate will change tomorrow. See, that was easy...

Posted by: mil1 | February 8, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse
Where did you hear that?

I wouldnt trust anything else from that source, since it doesnt even make logical sense in your sentence...

Posted by: kreator6996 | February 8, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I got 2.5 feet of man made Global Warming in front of my house and another foot or so on it's way!

Posted by: geo82170 | February 8, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to liberals to try arguing with rationale and facts in a forum designed expressly for the purpose of getting half-wit teabaggers to audition for the Redneck Comedy Tour.

By the way, Feaver gets paid for this. Amazing.

Posted by: SWB2 | February 8, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't for Global Warming, I would have done better in school and now all I can do to make ends meet is pull the blue lever every four years. Who do I sue?

Posted by: luncheaterguy | February 8, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I will be happy to use "climate change"--I hear the climate will change tomorrow. See, that was easy...

Posted by: mil1 | February 8, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

We have to remember that this is the worst snowstorm since the great depression, and that had Obama not passed the stimulus bill, we would have had 30+ inches of snow. Obama inherited this climate from the previous administartion, and it will take time till we have winters with out snow or adverse weather. Obama has only been in office a year. Lets see how next winter goes.

Posted by: SeattleRob | February 8, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

With below average temperatures and record snow falls,if we don't get a handle on Global Warming,We're All Gone To Freeze To Death!

Posted by: sdavis4 | February 8, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

It's highly changeable weather with more extremes.
Unstable weather is a huge threat, a big problem to go with "Global Warming" and something that's starting to occur more often.
Posted by: Nymous | February 8, 2010 12:36 PM

Oh whatever excuse to keep the Hoax alive.

Posted by: 65apr | February 8, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Here in the OTHER Washington, state that is, we just had the warmest January on record. Climate CHANGE? Who knows, but the point is that just because it is cold in DC says nothing one way or the other about Global Warming or climate change. Ya gotta look at the earth as a whole and you need to look more on decadal time scales to clearly see the effects.

Posted by: joer2 | February 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

ClimateGate,GlacierGate, TeriGate, AmazonGate, DisasterGate, HollandGate, AfricaGate and who knows how many more AGW gates are on the way. The only news stories about AGW that should be printed are the ones saying just how many years in jail the AGW scammers are going to get.

Posted by: rgould22 | February 8, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I am a hard core global warming denier. I just wanted to get that out of the way first. For you folks, on the other side I have one singular point. If the weather is warmer than usual, if it is colder than usual, it is all because of global warming. You guys could actually make some points if you would now lay out the scenario for no global warming. Then if these meteorological symptoms were not occurring, it would give you street creds. I'm just trying to help.

Posted by: alanr1 | February 8, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Please, let's ditch the term "global warming" and start using the more accurate "climate change." Nobody (or nobody serious) ever claimed the whole earth would heat up uniformly by a certain number of degrees. As Nymous said, the real effects are changes in weather patterns and temperature, and more extreme weather.

Posted by: marasca | February 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I spent a quarter century in DC and its environs, and anyone who's lived there more than a year or two knows there are "snow years" and "non-snow years." The region gets a lot of precipitation generally, and when it gets the least bit cold and the wind picks up, DC gets wallopped. You're not exactly experiencing arctic temperatures there, you just got a lot of snow.

The good news is, it'll all melt in a couple of weeks.

I live in Toronto now, where there is less than an inch of snow on the ground. That's unheard of for mid-February, and we're having one of our mildest winters on record.

Posted by: pporado | February 8, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Of course, no single weather event proves global warming, global cooling or anything else.

But, that hasn't stopped AGW advocates from claiming that a summer heat wave of a week or so confirms global warming.

And, there are many anomalies that are not easily explained. For example, if worsening drought is caused by AGW, why is California emerging from drought now?

If AGW causes more severe storms like hurricanes, why was the last hurricane season in the Caribbean remarkably calm?

If the Alps in Europe were losing their snow pack due to AGW, why do they have abundant snow now?

Are people who question AGW any more idiotic than the AGW advocates who rely on dubious sources to support their theories?

Posted by: vrytix | February 8, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

The number one effect of 'global warming' is not warming. It's highly changeable weather with more extremes. Longer droughts, more intense storms, too much rain and flooding in places that haven't seen it, in summary a greater variety of weather. Paired with that is what ought to be described as simple increased weather intensity. The storms we do have will be bigger & badder. Or they'll be far less than they ought to be. Often enough though they're going to be a lot worse than what we're used to, or prepared for.

Scientists have been saying this for years, but everyone tends to get a blank look about them, and then move on to talking about other parts of the problem. The reason is simple, most people can not figure out 'what does that mean to me?' and move on to something with the topic that they can think about abstractly or practically.

When weather records get broken, we don't always know how to react well. That's part of what goes with them being records, they offer little practice opportunities.

The reason why this comes up is due to a 'I'll know it when I see it' reaction. I'd offer that there is some clear truth to that interpretation. Don't believe me? Go fact check what I've said, please.

Unstable weather is a huge threat, a big problem to go with "Global Warming" and something that's starting to occur more often. So far my personal solutions, beyond a lot of recycling, have amounted to filling my gas tank before Katrina hit. I won't claim to have any solutions, but I hope awareness can help generate some.

Posted by: Nymous | February 8, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

From here in Wisconsin, the Post's frequent repeating of the terms "snowmageddon" and "snowpocalypse" is rather silly. Can't you just call it a blizzard?

Posted by: dgloo | February 8, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Only those who are delusional doubt or use individual events to doubt global warming. Dummies: It is a fairly closed energy system. As we add energy, all of the extremes become more so...droughts, floods, etc.

That having been said, I'll add another little tidbit to the National Airport use as the benchmark for record keeping. If you look at many of the extremes of cold in winter and heat in the summer, they were set before 1920. Ergo, Natl. Airport was, obviously, not used as the location of record. Maybe the Natl. Weather Service should consider using what those of us in SABR call Ballpark effects, and adjust those temps, snowfalls to reflect apples to apples.

Posted by: mikecatcher50 | February 8, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Ditto asking the NWS to stop measuring DC's official snowfall in Arlington.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | February 8, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Cuts in education here in Virginia will make it harder for people to learn the difference between climate and weather. BTW, climate scientists have been saying all along that weather events would become erratic during this period of rapid change. Erratic (for those of you who are educationally-challenged means swings from one extreme to another: abnormally mild to abnormally severe.

For all the Tea Party's ranting and raving about government not being the answer, I ask them this: Did you request that the government *not* plow the streets in your town? Or are you willing to admit that some government services are essential? I suspect you for government services that help you out and are against government services that help others out.

Posted by: thuff7 | February 8, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that tries to relate a single weather event in one region is proof for OR against..ahem GLOBAL warming, is an idiot and needs to learn the difference between "weather" and "climate"

Posted by: kreator6996 | February 8, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

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