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Readers debate Democrats' survival

Our Readers Who Comment predictably praise or damn stories about polls depending on their political leanings and whether they like the results. We have both responses to a new Washington Post poll that suggests Democratic Party leaders have emerged "mostly unscathed" from the exhausting health-care reform debate.

The adverb mostly is needed because, as pollsters Jennifer Agiesta and Jon Cohen note, "President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) may have reaped some benefit from the legislation's passage, but the public's take on the Democratic Party has not budged, and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (Nev.) appears to be losing popularity." Reid is also in a tough re-election fight.

Readers cheer or boo, depending on their political allegiance. They charge that the Post is biased because it runs poll results they don't like. They argue with each other. They predict defeat for the other party and victory for theirs. And, if there is a third theme at all in this sometimes unruly comment stream, it is the repeated question of why the government is concentrating on health care instead of jobs. Meanwhile, if you want to read an excellent analysis of what might happen with health-care reform, Ezra Klein has a super piece.

We'll start with jc_abril, who wrote, "Oh oh GOP, things aren't so rosy for November are they? Keep up the obstructions and you will continue losing support... I expect a democrat comeback."

But theaz said, "Prediction, Democrats get routed big-time, historic losses!"

jazbond007, who apparently holds negative views about Democrats, wrote, "Polls do not measure motivation to vote. Anti-Obamacare voters will ALL show up at the polls on November 2 to vote against any and all Democrats on the ballot. Pro-Obamacare respondents to polls are not voters. They will not notice there is an election on November 2 because Obama is not running for anything, and because they are illegal immigrants, or illiterate, or not registered to vote, or high on drugs, or hungover alcoholics."

borntorun45 noted that, "It's still early... When Americans learn what's really in the health care bill, they're going to realize that it's going to benefit them and the country. And they're going to realize that the GOP lied to them. Again."

RealTexan1 said, "The thing about the Dem's is they buy votes with taxpayer dollars. If one group has little cash, they simply promise them benefits at some other group's expense. They do this with votes too. If they (Dem's) need more votes, they might promise illegal aliens citizenship and thereby gather their number as votes. It's all very dishonest and does not serve the nation."

To which GerriM replied, "I am sorry to have to break this to you as a fellow American but, unfortunately, both Democrats and Republicans resort to this sordid and corrupt conduct. That is why we hold Congress in low esteem."

rigoman33 asked, "What did the Dems expect?!? Even with the long wet kiss by the WaPo and mainstream media on celebrating the passage of this HC bill the inescapable fact of the matter is that the MAJORITY of the American public didn't want this bill. HC reform? Yes. But this monstrosity? No. There's only so much lipstick you can put on the pig. It's still a pig."

antisocialist found a bright side in writing, "Congress had record low approval ratings, but yay! they haven't gotten worse over recess."

ScamfortheRich said, "The Dems now need to focus 110% on creating jobs!"

To which 12thgenamerican replied, "scamfortherich, you are absolutely right. but why aren't they doing that? obama and his team said thats what they were going to do a month or so ago. you know why they haven't? because it is an impossibilty... the only way jobs get created is cut taxes and regulations ,both of which are going to be increased GREATLY..."

fenoy asked, "What is the WaPo trying to blow up our skirts? Nancy "Botox" Pelosi has an approval rating of 11% and Harry "Dinky" Reid has an 8% approval rating. Syphilis is more popular than these two."

pkhenry wrote, "Those who wanted socialism are happy with Obama."

sally62 wrote, "The "elite" used to have the respect of the people. Why no longer?...The absolute snarky manipulative, arrogance of the Dem "elite" (Obama & entourage, Pelosi, Frank & Reid) we have today will be paid for in November."

To which rtinindiana replied, "Well, that's an interesting observation. You're wrong of course, because I can think of one person who'll be voting for the Democrats in November who is a natural-born American, a college graduate, registered to vote for the last forty years, and doesn't drink, smoke and has never done drugs, and to further degrade your point, believes in God..."

honorswar26 wrote, "I'm sure that when you gave a poll to your usual Democratic cheering section demographics you would get a result that doesn't "hurt" Democrats. If you talked to the rest of America who is going to have to pay the bill for Obamacare, you would get a far different result though."

Realist20, in one of several posts expressing essentially the same message, wrote, "...The Post and the Dems are delusional. Supporting that socialist health bill will kill the Dems in the midterms and eveyone knows it....including the post. it's coming Dems, 7 months and 2 weeks from now the majority switches from Dem to GOP on Capitol Hill!"

Casey1 said, "We have listened to filthy lies from the Republicans since the summer from hell. The ignorant, hateful, superstitious base of the party has at last defined it... Let Republicans spend the rest of the year campaigning against healthcare reform. Let them check out of governing, as their leaders have pledged to do.
Obama should just pursue his agenda as if the whiny losers weren't there. They are liars. They don't deserve to be heard."

All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  March 29, 2010; 9:01 AM ET
 | Tags: Democrats, Health Care Reform, Obama, Poll  
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Harry Reid would have a tough time getting re-elected anyway. He's an even bigger joke than most dem Senators. And I vote dem myself (or used to - I'm so disgusted with dems I probably will never vote again, period).

Posted by: solsticebelle | March 29, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

What's been "crammed down the throats" of Americans has been been the biggest campaign of disinformation and propaganda in the history of man.

The Post takes the position of false equivalency and "the truth must be be somewhere in the middle."

The Post will always try to be "fair" by uncritically reporting the most outrageous lies without fact checking.

Posted by: BurfordHolly | March 29, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

my objection to polls isn't that I don't like the result, it's that I don't see "the work". Like in high school math, you couldn't just write the answer, you had to show the work as to how you arrived at it. Polls can be so skewed, and confusing, and incredibly opacque, and really, media driven polls like NBC/WSJ and WaPo/ABC are just self feeding entities. A media driven poll, about a media driven controversy is not going to be a true reflection of voters' thoughts. It's a reflection of answers to specific questions, of a ginned up controversy, with a definite lack of facts, just more polarization. just like no facts about WMD's, no facts about Plamegate, and wapo even had a popularity poll of Tiger on the front page, how high school!!!!

Posted by: katem1 | March 29, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The so-called ascendancy of the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, and Republicans is a load of bunk. Most of the boosters are Faux News, conservative wash-ups like Newt Gingrich, John McCain, and Dick Armey. Throw in head-scratching articles, TV face time, and headlines about the Tea Party "as a force to reckon with" and you've got the biggest propaganda campaign about these mostly unemployed, uneducated, government-handout-taking hypocrites since Adolf Hitler mesmerized Germany before plunging it into the hell of WWII. I'll place my electoral bet on the Democrats in 2010 and 2012!

Posted by: shapiromarilyn | March 29, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

There's an interesting contradiction going on:

1) We get mad at our representatives when they "don't listen to us", i.e., the majority.

2) We get mad at our representatives when all they care about is getting re-elected.

There's been two recent post stories - the one on democrat frank kratovil that voted against the bill (see #2 above) and the VA democrat (sorry don't have the name) who defied his district to vote for the bill (see #1).

Now then. I guess the only thing that matters is which side of the issue you're on.

Posted by: mikem1 | March 29, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The Democrat Party has stood on their principles, REALLY?

The sacrificial Democrat lambs will soon find out how much the support of Obama and Pelosi means. The Dems think that the people are stupid and will soon forget, that they can do a sales job on us and that we will thank them for it.

Oh, by the way, you libs, when you point the finger at people for violence and racist behaviour, please try to back your accusations up with evidence and facts.


Posted by: barrysal | March 29, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I would like to vote for republicans, but I still can't get over the last time they were in power. I haven't forgotten Terry Schiavo. I haven't forgotten Tom Delay's gerrymandering abuses.

Most of all, I haven't forgotten that government expanded under their watch too; there's nothing to make me believe this time would be any different.

Posted by: mikem1 | March 29, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I think the Democratic Party is going to Surprise the Republicans in a big way in Nov. They have delivered in a big, historic way what they promised to get elected. Now, its possible that people really did not want health care for nearly all, but the Democratic Party promised they would deliver it, and they did. Was it pretty, no, but that was because of Republican opposition to ANY PLAN for political reasons.
IF the Democratic party can not take all those very public statements by the Republican leadership that they will kill ANY MAJOR bill supported by President Obama, and all the goods things with broad support in the new Health Care law and turn it into a landslide, it will be because they are not trying.

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | March 29, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I find these comments absolutely rich. One commenter exclaimed that Democrats buy their votes --- hmmm, isn't it the GOP who vociferously opposed any level of campaign finance reform as a violation of free speech? Back in 1965, when Medicare was created under the Johnson administartion, conservatives decried the impending law for much of the same reasons they object to health care reform now -- cost, mortgaging their children's futures and all the rest. Isn't it interesting then that 45 years later, the same folks who opopsed Medicare are now crying "Don't you dare touch my Medicare?" Oh, the hypocrisy of it all..........

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | March 29, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

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