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Arizona, illegals and PR problems

If anybody thinks illegal immigration isn't a hot issue, they need only check the comments of our readers today in response to a story that says Arizona politicians of both parties are dismayed about the polarization of opinion about a new state law that gives police wide latitude to check the immigration status of people they suspect are in the country illegally.

Almost 400 comments have been filed at this hour as readers argue about the virtue of the statute, complain about what they see as a liberal bias in the reporting of the story, praise or decry the state for passing the law, note that some employers knowingly hire illegals, and decry the demand illegal residents place on state resources.

As Peter Slevin writes from Phoenix, "Arizona finds itself at the vortex of an immigration debate that is increasingly bitter and, figures on both sides say, increasingly unwinnable. Opinions are split, with fear of harassment rising among Hispanics and worry about an economic boycott growing among the state's leaders."

We'll start with POPS1, who said, "Any state that would have been bold and courageous enough to tackle this issue the right way would come under intense fire from the left including slanted pieces like this from this paper. But then again, you liberals don't seem to mind footing the bill for the illegals...The problem with illegal immigration has been politicized for a long time but it isn't a political issue. It is an economic and security issue and nothing more -- except to the liberals."

But old_sarge wrote, "Arizona Republicans made their bed, now they have to lay in it. They knew that their actions would have consequences. Unfortunately, they grossly miscalculated the extent of those consequences. Businesses rely on the public to survive. If political actions cast Arizona in a socially negative light, much of the tourism that relies heavily on the social image of an area will suffer..."

steveboyington said, "Anyone that thinks it is the Democrats who have prevented strict laws to combat the hiring of illegals is a pure partisan fool. It is the businesses that hire those illegals that stop any changes. The Chamber of Commerce and other pro-business pro-GOP organizations prevent any real laws to punish the employers of illegals. Until that happens the illegals will come... and make money. Both parties are to blame, but it is the GOP that protects the ones that hire illegals."

johne37179 wrote, "Only the left could consider the right move by Arizona to be a mistake. The overwhelming majority of Americans recognize it as wisdom."

vote4change ranted, "...Wake up america and quit playing the sympathy card. I know many of you that have come after the 60's generation don't believe in right and wrong even if it is the law. Try crossing the border into some other country and see what rights you have. Yes, even Mexico."

ShermanMiller wrote, "The American people are voting their disdain for racial profiling with their dollars by vilifying business arrangements with businesses in the state of Arizona. Arizona's leadership fails to grasp that the rest of the nation recognizes the high potential for the reincarnation of Jim Crow laws that dehumanize people of color... Has Arizona morphed into today's bastion of white intolerance hoping to circumvent the US Voting Rights Act by defrocking nonwhites of their voting rights through de facto voter intimidation?"

ttj1 said, "According to this article, 52% say the Arizona law is about right, and 17% say it's not strong enough [in a CBS News/New York Times poll.] That's support from 69%. Opinions are split, the article says. Yes, split nearly 70% to 30% in favor of the Arizona law. Legal citizens are already making a point of buying more from Arizona. If there is a PR disaster, it's a disaster for proponents of illegal immigration."

fgoepfert1 asked, "What PR nightmare? 80% of the people agree with Arizona's new law. That is called an overwhelming majority that are in favor. That doesn't mean anything to the Liberals at the Post, who only measure opinions in the newsroom."

SportingGoods suggested, "With poll after poll showing public opinion in favor of the new Arizona laws, let's take a trip or vacation to Arizona soon because 1. it's a beautiful state and 2. we want to support a state that is willing to tackle an important issue: illegal immigration."

Georgetowner1 wrote, "Only someone who is from a state under seige by illegal immigrants could understand why Arizona is trying everything it can think of to stop the flow. They are sinking under the cost of health care, schooling, repair of damage, and crime uptick caused by the flood of illegal immigrants. If these people were in a foreign uniform crossing the border in the number that they are, the Federal governement would have battalions down there... It is no[t] xenophobic to object to having to pay for other people's way when they are there illegally in the first place."

rappo12447 said, "My wife and I have changed our vacation plans. This year we will be vacationing in Arizona ! They deserve the support of all law abiding Americans. Other States should follow in Arizona's foot steps if they want to stop illegal immigration. Arizonans should begin posting road side signs that say, Illegal immigrants are not welcome in Arizona. Go to California, they love you there!"

To which DeepClue replied, "As I just told someone else--don't forget to bring your birth certificate! With the new law you love so much, you may be asked for it at any time."

frodot wrote, "Trying to control illegal immigration is one thing. Targeting a specific ethnic group is another. If we all had to carry national ID cards... it might seem fairer. But this law is aimed only at Mexicans and anyone who looks Mexican. Its enforcement is inherently discriminatory."

BernatvorBernadette5 wrote, "We canceled our Fall Vacation to Tucson because of the Republican law signed by Jan Brewer that now insists upon RACIST, HATEFUL, PROFILING. I am boycotting AZ. Folks, let's remember AZ was the last state to recognize the Martin Luther King Holiday in 2000 and they want us to believe they aren't racists?"

We'll close with ThomasFiore, who wrote, "We had a stupid law promoting discrimination against gays here in Colorado a couple of decades ago. We repealed [actually it was stricken by the Supreme Court] that when we started to run into negative economic consequences... it will from here on be a part of the state's history just as Colorado's anti-gay initiative is still remembered. We have a problem, but what Arizona has done isn't the answer."

All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  June 7, 2010; 9:10 AM ET
 | Tags: Arizona, Illegal Immigrants  
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Poncho go home! This isn't your country. Get out!

Posted by: mrdavidkolds | June 7, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

In the 50s there was a novel called THE UGLY AMERICAN. It told a story about Americans in a foreign country where they were hated for their arrogance and bad behavior. They were loud, brash, and rude, refused to join in the local culture, kept to themselves and in general created bad feelings for America. What we have here are 10 - 20 MILLION UGLY LATIN AMERICANS. Mexican Go Home!

Posted by: mrdavidkolds | June 7, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Its time for all the anti-American, Anti-Sovereignty and pro-illegal alien politicians to depart. They have proven their unwillingness, to stand up for American workers and are still taking stipends from the open-border demented organizations and their lobbyists. Our country is crippled by financial welfare, by anybody who can slip the loose gauntlet around our borders. Ominous Amnesty clouds are growing everyday, so Tea Partiers are joining the ever increasing volumes of regular hard working people to commit themselves for the fight to come? Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) will soon be joining the jobless, as well as his cohorts in June, but certainly in November. We have been ripped off long enough by the IRS, to pay for government entitlement programs. Its time we looked-out for our own stranded souls, the homeless, the sick and those on disability.

Countries of national origin of those who have illegally settled here, must be forced to pay for the health care, education and all silently hidden programs of their people. Those Americans and legal residents who believe in the "Rule of Law" must remove career lawmakers in the federal and state Capitols, who have allowed this foreign occupation to happen. Lets send a resonating message to Congress, that if you tread on THE PEOPLE'S faces you must suffer the consequences and be dismissed of the power of our--VOTE. Today--more and more people are not cringing anymore by being branded racists or bigot. We are finally repudiating the sordid smears passed onto us. WE ARE READY TO FIGHT BACK. Just as the residents of Arizona have done against the radical insinuations of the Liberals hiding in the shadows of Democrats. There will be no--AMNESTY--COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM. Just an updated version of the late Sen.Ted Kennedy 1986 law. Be aware of --ALL--Amnesty proposals at NumbersUSA, ahead of time.

Posted by: infinity555 | June 7, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Its time for all the anti-American, Anti-Sovereignty and pro-illegal alien politicians to depart. They have proven their unwillingness, to stand up for American workers and are still taking stipends from the open-border demented organizations and their lobbyists. Our country is crippled by financial welfare, by anybody who can slip the loose gauntlet around our borders. Ominous Amnesty clouds are growing everyday, so Tea Partiers are joining the ever increasing volumes of regular hard working people to commit themselves for the fight to come? Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) will soon be joining the jobless, as well as his cohorts in June, but certainly in November. We have been ripped off long enough by the IRS, to pay for government entitlement programs. Its time we looked-out for our own stranded souls, the homeless, the sick and those on disability.

Posted by: infinity555 | June 7, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

im just gonna say it most of you guys are ignorants 1st immigrants do pay taxes to pay for the lazy american people that have the opportunity to get a job but they dont get it because its to hard for them.. the economy is going down because they haven't give the money good use they all using it in the border and most immigrants come here using a passport so the money you are putting into the border is just going tu the trash... you spend so much money to kik people out instead of giving papers to the immigrants so that they can work here to help the economy.. you say we are criminals well thats not true because we are honest people that the only thing we want to do is to get a job to have a better life and support our family.. about the cartels and all the drugs that come here well you guys are buying it thats not mexico problem.. actually you guy are making in bad for mexico because if you keep buying people try to keep selling because they are making money.. so its your fault for all the drugs come here to the US you are making it worse for yourself. i think you shoul open yourself to learn more about other countries not just staying with your own colture .. its just sad the way you act when people need help .. i hepe that the US never need help from other countries cuz u will know the way we feel ... putos

Posted by: poncho_32 | June 7, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the West should deport illegals to the Northeast. Forget Mexico; send 'em to New York. These are our Al Qiada. And speaking of Al Qiada and the whole "war on terror" thing, has anyone noticed that they apparently just want to attack New York and Washington D.C., those modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. So, let's stop funding anything like stopping them. That is the Northeast's problem, not ours. The Northeast, along with Illinois and California, are the homes of the Brady Bunch, Michael Bloomberg, all of those corrupt politician's that make money off selling out the rest of the country, the predatory Wall Street sorts, big banks and their fraudulent schemes, and the MSM that has been ginning up this whole outrage thing about illegals. Well, the illegals are the West's terrorists. They are responsible for *most* of our violent crimes, identity theft, job theft from American workers, and we don't ant them. Apparently, the big city twits out your way don't understand that, so I expect we shouldn't feel any sort of sympathy for the attacks by radicals directed at you. It has nothing to do with us, just as our hordes of illegals have nothing to do with you. In fact, maybe we should look seriously at breaking up the country. The cultural differences between us are so vast that cannot understand each other any longer, anyways.

Posted by: mibrooks27
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mibrooks27,

You are worse than the terrorists. You seem to rejoice at the attack of our nation's capital and finccancial hub. You than advocate for the destruction of our country by requesting we split the country. You are a traitor to this country.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | June 7, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

American citizens are tired of our politicians forcing us to pay for citizens of a foreign country , especially those who are here illegaly. Millions of illegals pay no state or federal income tax. So many don't that the U.S. gov't doesn't have the resources to go after them. They turn a blind eye and apparently say "let the taxpaying citiznes continue paying for them". Assimilation is not happening. More and more public schools are teaching in Spanish, diluting our English language. Imagine an American teacher with a Masters in English being refused an open position to teach English because that teacher cannot speak Spanish. This is reality. Too many illegals cross our southern border and say " here we are, can't do nothing about it". Many mock our gov't by wearing a T-shirt that says "i'm illegal", knowing out gov't is impotent in enforcing our immigrations laws. Our gov't is supposed to govern American citizens, not illegals. We are quickly becoming like Mexico, a country that even their citizens run away from. We need to get tough on enforcing immighration laws and not base decisiion on emotions(i.e. A 2nd grade student whose parents are illegal getting wiht the first lady. If not many, many more millions will come, knowing our gov't is impotoent. There is a powerful pill for that impotency but the Gov't won't listen to it's citizens who elected them.

Posted by: baz987 | June 7, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

At least once can they toss aside political distractions and get a handle on immigration issue!!! Is Obama so blind not to see that the problem has gotten out of control!!!!
Speak up - leave a comment on
http://immigration.civiltalks.com/

Posted by: emma84 | June 7, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

As citizens of the United States we are very privileged, we have personal and economic security, yet most of the Polly Anna's out there assume it's the same in the rest of the world. If you do please leave your comfort zone and travel the world(or at least go to Mexico), get off the tourist strip and see how other live, then come back home and may be you might understand why those who ask for "OUR" laws to be followed (and enforced) only do so out of respect for the blood that has been shed to secure and protect those "RIGHTS".
Just because "WE" know it's right to respect the rights of our citizens does not mean that is has caught on in the rest of the world, the last time I checked we are still the only country in the world with a "BILL OF RIGHTS". So all of you Polly Anna's please understand that I don't want to see people suffer, I just want to protect what so many Americans of all races and creeds have paid the ultimate price to secure and defend. Now I understand what my Father and his generation meant when they said "Love it or Leave it"

Posted by: scholar2008 | June 7, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The media is spinning on the illegal immigration issue in support of the 21st century plantation owners who want their continued cheap labor by creating a North Americn Union without our consent.

Both the Dem and Repub Parties have this goal and are working towards it, hence their various amnesty proposals (pathway, guest worker amnesty, dream act amnesty, comprehensive immigration reform amnesty) that by a large majority Americans have rejected.

This is all about money, and the continued transfer of it from the working and middle classs to the elite through a North American Union.

Get ready for the Amero, and get ready to lower our flag one last time.

Posted by: Bettybb | June 7, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Just wait till one or more of the reported thousands of illegal aliens from MUSLIM countries around the world now crossing our southern borders commit a terrorist act. Bet they aren't coming here to pick lettuce or mow your lawn!

What kind of spin will the Post or this Administration put on that.

Posted by: Jimbo77 | June 7, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

@mibrooks27

Well, that has to be one of the most idiotic things I have read in years.

And I'm on here a lot, so that really means something.

Posted by: gconrads | June 7, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I think the West should deport illegals to the Northeast. Forget Mexico; send 'em to New York. These are our Al Qiada. And speaking of Al Qiada and the whole "war on terror" thing, has anyone noticed that they apparently just want to attack New York and Washington D.C., those modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. So, let's stop funding anything like stopping them. That is the Northeast's problem, not ours. The Northeast, along with Illinois and California, are the homes of the Brady Bunch, Michael Bloomberg, all of those corrupt politician's that make money off selling out the rest of the country, the predatory Wall Street sorts, big banks and their fraudulent schemes, and the MSM that has been ginning up this whole outrage thing about illegals. Well, the illegals are the West's terrorists. They are responsible for *most* of our violent crimes, identity theft, job theft from American workers, and we don't ant them. Apparently, the big city twits out your way don't understand that, so I expect we shouldn't feel any sort of sympathy for the attacks by radicals directed at you. It has nothing to do with us, just as our hordes of illegals have nothing to do with you. In fact, maybe we should look seriously at breaking up the country. The cultural differences between us are so vast that cannot understand each other any longer, anyways.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | June 7, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes it is very difficult to do the RIGHT thing. Arizona has done a magnificent thing and is under attack by Mexicans and liberals because of it.

It is a very vocal minority of Americans that is powering this shameful attack on the people of Arizona. Upwards of 70% of real Americans fully approve of the Arizona way.

America is under full, frontal attack by an immense army of Mexican squatters who have nothing but contempt for America and its laws. Illegal immigrants are outlaws by definition. They must not be rewarded with AMNESTY as Barack Obama wants. They must be brought to justice.

Posted by: battleground51 | June 7, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

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