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The Obama-is-a-Muslim lie

The runaway comment getter today is about a Pew Research Center poll that finds 18 percent of Americans say that President Obama is a Muslim, an increase of seven points since Pew last asked the same question in March 2009.

There are more than 1,200 more than 2,000 comments as of 11:30 a.m. ET as readers argue about what is true or call each other idiots. The White House blames "misinformation campaigns" and says that the president's Christian faith plays an "important part" in his daily life. Some comments attack the Post's use of the word "wrongly" to describe what those 18 percent say. Several readers mentioned Obama's comments about the proposed Islamic cultural center two blocks from Ground Zero. The poll preceded those remarks.

As Jon Cohen and Michael Shear write, "The president's religion, like his place of birth, has been the subject of Internet-spread rumors and falsehoods since before he began his presidential campaign, and the poll indicates that those rumors have gained currency since Obama took office. The number of people who now correctly identify Obama as a Christian has dropped to 34 percent, down from nearly half when he took office."

The polling data and the Pew Research Center report are here.

We'll start with mtbunker who wrote, "Churchill said: 'The best argument against Democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.' That was England back in the 1940's. Tragically -in the USA of 2010 - that conversation would only need to be 30 seconds....."

Reason7 said, " 'Poll shows more Americans think Obama is a Muslim' The problem with that headline is the word 'think.' The evidence is clear, from the posts of the mentally challenged who support this fallacy, that those Americans aren't doing much 'thinking' at all."

Ian_Mc asked, " 'wrongly'? Is this a news article or an opinion piece? How does the Washington Post know that Obama is not a Muslim or at least strongly sympathetic to their cause?"

wp18 wrote, "Democracy only succeeds with a thoughtful and educated public. Foe Obama or against, one can only be aghast at the poll and at the tenor of the comments, the results of demagogues who wrap themselves in fake patriotism and pander to Know-Nothingism. The principles on which our country was founded are wounded by ignorance and bigotry."

dummy4peace said, "I knew this accusation will make news soon after he showed his support for building a mosque near Ground Zero. Lack of a good public education can do a lot of damage..."

astroland asked an excellent question: "Why would anyone want to be president?"

mmurray2 wrote, "This type of thinking is being promoted by a group of Obama and Muslim haters who are trying to tear this country apart. They pose as pundits as they peddle their filth. They range from Glenn Beck to Charles Krauthammer, from Fox News to the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal."

Historian1960 said, "People believe what the want to believe. Sometimes facts are irrelevant."

chbradshaw wrote, "I believe he is a muslim. How can the Washington post be so definitive about what is in his heart? He never goes to church or expresses and credible christian belief. That's like the Post having a headline that says '40 percent of country incorrectly believes Obama hates America.' I believe he hates our country, its history and its values and wants to change it. I believe he more closely identifies with Islamic terrorists that Israelis. I believe he hates Israel and does not believe it has a right to exist. Sounds like 20 percent and growing believe just as I do."

kurtkolaja said, "We are doomed to stupid ourselves out of existence."

viejo70 ties together the points several made in writing, "If you want to call the reporters liars then bring the proof to the table. It was reported that when the President was in Turkey he told them he has always been a Muslim and missed Friday Morning Prayer. He also said that the United States wasn't a Christian Nation and braged about all of the wqonderful things the Muslims did for the USA of which we can't find or think of a single one. As for the church he attended in Chicago, it is about as far away from Christrian as one could get."

bluewinterwaves wrote, "I will say this on the subject matter: He may not be Muslim (I can't say either way with 100% certainty), but I wouldn't exactly call the black theology church of Jeremiah Wright "Christian" either. Not by a long shot."

calgrl75 said, "The anti-Muslim feeling in this country is starting to resemble the Red scare of the 1950s with everyone pointing fingers and making accusations. Americans are starting to look like igmorant idiots who don't even understand their own Constitution."

SteveL7 wrote, "If you polled people and asked them "Do you think that George Bush is a chimpanzee?" then you'd probably get at least 1 in 5 people responding yes. It's all about the 'public growing less enamored of him and increasingly attracted to labels they perceive as negative.' [a quote from the article]"

ajackson4 said, "His words and his own actions condemn him not the media or misinformation. I wish the liberal media would stop giving our current president a pass when you did your very best to discredit and smear his predecessor. This nation needs a Christian in the White House, as we are a Christian nation."

amcalabrese reminded us of other nutty conspiracy theories in writing, "People believe strange things. How many 9/11 Truthers are there? How many believe the CIA or mafia killed JFK and not Oswald? How many people believe that FDR or WSC had foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor?"

No comment string about Obama would be complete without hearing from the birther crowd. cub62 wrote, "He is a Muslim and what is more disturbing is that he was not born in the US. He was born in Kenya which is a great lie to the American people who have taken this bait."

We'll close with amstphd, who wrote, "Only in August could something like this be treated as if it were news. There are stupid people in this country, and there always have been. We didn't need a poll to tell us that. I'm looking forward to September.
By the way, conservatives, twenty percent isn't a majority. Don't get your hopes up."

All comments on this article are here.

By Doug Feaver  |  August 19, 2010; 8:46 AM ET
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“For those who have asked or have been looking for it, here is the link to the full transcript of Cathleen Falsani's (then religion reporter for the Chicago Sun-Times) 2004 interview with Obama about his faith - the most in-depth and exhaustive to date:

http://cathleenfalsani.wordpress.com/obama-on-faith-the-exclusive-interview/”

Posted by: margegunderson | August 22, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

As stated in their report: "The new poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press and the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life -- conducted July 21-Aug. 5 among 3,003 respondents."

20% of that was 600 people, of the 300 million in the USA. Anyone who has access to the Internet, reads newspapers or news magazines, or even carefully watches TV news would know that President Obama in a Christian. He is promoting freedom of religion, as did our Constitution, and trying to avoid bigotry toward Muslims. He probably has more sensitivity to it because he once lived in Indonesia

Posted by: ronkrumpos | August 19, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

One disastrous effect of Obama's status as a Muslim apostate was the way it emboldens Islamo-supremacists.

Take the case of Kaddafi; who clearly insists that Obama is a Muslim and hopes "that this black man will take pride in his African and Islamic identity... and that America will establish relations that will serve it well with other peoples, especially the Arabs."

Apparently, Kaddafi got his wish in Obama's submissiveness to the Lockerbie bomber release.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/26/did-the-obama-administration-push-for-lockerbie-bombers-release/

Kaddafi will celebrate that odious anniversary with Megrahi tomorrow.
http://weaselzippers.us/2010/08/15/gadafis-son-to-throw-party-for-lockerbie-bomber/

Thank you, Hussein.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 19, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Look. People believe Obama is Muslim because he was a practicing Muslim. This matters because Obama is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion-- who (under sharia law) is subject to the most severe penalties. Obama's apostate status clearly has enormous implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam
http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-obama-practiced-islam

In sum: The cited evidence demonstrates that Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates claims that Obama for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father.

Therefore, what Doug considers a media falsehood is in fact confirmed by evidence as truthful and accurate. The fact that so few understand this about Obama is a testimony to the Obamedia puppets disinformation and denial campaigns.

Denying Obama's Muslim heritage is in itself a falsehood.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 19, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Amazing. 20% of self-identified conservatives all went full retard at the same time.

Posted by: washpost18 | August 19, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Facts are not a core Republican value.
These are the same numbskulls that believe GW Bush kept America safe, that Obama wasn't born in the USA and that Evolution is just a theory. They are also 95% self-identified Republicans.

They watch the Republican TV network and believe everything they're told.

Posted by: thebobbob | August 19, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who doesn't know Obama is a Muslim must not have heard him say "my Muslim faith" on ABC's THIS WEEK on 9/7/2008

Obama: "my Muslim faith"
Video Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw

Posted by: marine2 | August 19, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

nptalcott wrote: If Obama wanted the birther controversy to go away he could simply publish his birth certificate. So why doesn't he? The only reasonable conclusion is that he does not want the controversy to go away.

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Really now. And what possesses you to think that he owes this to anyone, any more than you owe a copy of yours to me? Why in the world would the President of the United States want to feed the frenzy of the nutjobs? While you guys are out there responding to polls that make you feel good, he is hopefully, ignoring you as I would and figuring out how to fix the problems of this country. People like you are the least of his problems and for that matter, ours.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | August 19, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

marbie4me wrote: The name alone speaks volumes.

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Wow, if that isn't the most ignorant, small minded thing I've ever heard. Have you ever left your house? Seen how other people live? Met someone who doesn't look or think like you? And what does your name say about you besides what seems patently obvious from your post?

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | August 19, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

1. And if he is a Muslim, so what?

2. He obviously is not (facts are such a pain, aren't they?).

3. chbradshaw wrote, "I believe he is a muslim... He never goes to church or expresses and credible christian belief." I don't go to church. Does that make me Muslim or anything else?

4. The ignorance in this country and the need to believe what makes you feel good about yourself rather than what is true or fact is an illness.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | August 19, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The President is not a Muslim. He is a Christian. But exactly what would be the problem if he was a Muslim, or a Jew?

Posted by: mmurray2 | August 19, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

The name alone speaks volumes.

Posted by: marbie4me | August 19, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I would have to believe that the 18% that believe he is a Muslim also believe that he is not an American, the cause of our economic woes, the blame for the Mexican border problem and a host of other social ills.
It would be interesting to see a demographic on the people who have such beliefs.

But then again, not everyone graduated High School and some can see Russia from their porch.

Posted by: beachbum1938 | August 19, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The Obama-is-a-Muslim lie: is the heading for this article. ***********************************

What a crock, how can anyone see into the head or heart of any person, much less the President of the US and no one including this author can say if it is a lie or not.

As far a the Muslim religion goes, I don't think any person other that the Muslim people know anything about that religion, so why not study their religion before you speak about it.

I have not completed my studies about their religion but what I have read so far gives me pause to wonder & more than enough reason that I do not care to be part of that religion it is not a religion of peace and certainly not a kind or loving religion.

I do have a question: Just a few weeks ago several people were told they could not say the pledge of Allegiance in front of a Government Building but a Muslim prayer room is provided for the Muslim faith. What the heck is going on?

I think America has become so berated that people from other Country's believes that when they get here they should be able to implement any laws that helps them.

Go to any other Country & tell them you want to be housed, fed, given free medical care & you want to have your holidays be a national event & you want your law to be the law of the land. THEY WILL LAUGH you out of the Country while they are trying to beat you to death.

Americans have become the most gutless wonder of the world, why? we have changed our laws to suit all aliens & have enough political correctness that we are chocking on it.

Posted by: wildfire1946 | August 19, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I'd guess that at least 85% of the inbreds who believe Obama is Muslim are either republicans or tea baggers. Climb back into bed with your cousin and leave the thinking and voting to those of us who's IQ exceed our shoe size.

Posted by: dem4life1 | August 19, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

He certainly grew up a Muslim. Even libs would have to acknowledge that, unless they are perpetually stoned on the koolade. THen, for cynical political purposes, he joins a famous black Christian church to help launch him on his road to local community organizer and then national politician. Then, when being a member of that church hurts him, he proclaims ignorance of what the church was about.

I don't know what he is. Only he does. But I think a thinking person can clearly see, given his past family history and current poltical actions, he has a soft spot for Islam. And that's OK. Just don't lie about it. What else is he hiding?

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | August 19, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Muslims do not marry in church. Muslims do not baptise their children. Muslims do not celebrate Christmas and Easter and Muslims do not attend Trinity United Church of Christ for 20 years.

It seems some just like to hang onto hysteria and if they can't drag up Obama's religion they start in again on his Birth Certificate.......which has been verified by the State of Hawaii.

I wonder how some of these people would like lies made up about them?

Posted by: carolo43 | August 19, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Let me ask this simple question. If Obama wanted the birther controversy to go away he could simply publish his birth certificate. So why doesn't he? The only reasonable conclusion is that he does not want the controversy to go away.
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Here it is right here. A perfect example of what I'm talking about when it comes to logic.

Obama's birth certificate is available for anyone to see. Just go online. Obama "published" it long ago. But, some people then immediately claimed it was a forgery, or a fake, blah, blah, blah. And you have others still saying, "Why doesn't he be reasonable and publish his birth certificate?"

The point is, it's impossible to convince some people of anything. They'll always find some loophole to keep believing whatever it is that they want to believe. You can't have a logical debate with someone who's opinion is not based on logic.

Posted by: sonny2 | August 19, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Is Obama a Muslim? I guess the bigger question should be, “why should we care”? Unless we believe that a Muslim should not be President, what difference does it make? That 18% of the people think he is really makes no difference unless those people believe that we should not have a Muslim President. If that is the case, then we have a data point that defines where a large percentage of the population stands on the question of what requirements are needed to be President. Over the last 50 years we have debated:
1) If a Catholic could win the Presidency
2) If a Jew could be elected
3) If a Mormon can overcome the public’s poor perception of the Mormon Church
Why is this any different? In 2007 we asked if a black man could win, right after we asked if a woman could be president. These questions have nothing to do with the qualities that the job demands, but rather the ability of the American electorate to overcome stereotypes and ingrained fears of minority groups.
One would have hoped that a solid public education system would have helped younger generations get beyond the biases if their parents, but unfortunately, we have let the parents shackle the schools into teaching only what the parents believe. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams understood the glory of the inalienable rights that each citizen deserved; they just did not see how their educated view of the world would be interpreted by the masses. If the majority or large minorities of the voters believe something, that still does not make it right.

Posted by: The_Rat | August 19, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

The Pew survey just reinforces my belief in the total, abject stupidity and ignorance of Americans, the effectiveness of right-wing/GOP propaganda closely mirroring that used by Nazi Germany in the '30s to justify their actions against the Jews, and the ill-founded belief that THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH BEING A MUSLIM IN THE FIRST PLACE!

America - get your stupid, racist, reality-show-soaked heads out of the sand and read some real news (and I DO NOT MEAN FOX)! Enlighten yourselves. Do not remain the idiot sheep that the right-wing wants you to be.

Good grief. You all make be sick and resent being labelled an American.

Posted by: bkllal6020 | August 19, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

This is all part of the Big Lie campaign that the radical right has engaged in since President Obama's election in 2008. Thank God that their role models, Hitler and Mussolini, did not have the Internet at their disposal.

Posted by: dl49 | August 19, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Palin, Rove, McCarthy, and Gringrinch all use Hitler's playbook. Find a minority scapegoat to demonize to rally the hapless masses against and then label any opponents as a part of that group.

Posted by: areyousaying | August 19, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Take a poll asking 'Do you beleive Cheyney is the antichrist' and I bet you get at least 30% responding yes. Noone cares about your loaded polls meant to show the ignorance of your opposition.

Let me ask this simple question. If Obama wanted the birther controversy to go away he could simply publish his birth certificate. So why doesn't he? The only reasonable conclusion is that he does not want the controversy to go away.

Posted by: nptalcott | August 19, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Is Obama a Muslim -at heart, or a secret Muslim masquerading as a Christian- at a time the Muslims have become America's No. 1 enemy? Well, we would probably never know. Even if he is, he would probably not admit it -even after the 2012 presidential election, win or lose. The reason? He would rather make history for himself as the 44th president rather than as a Muslim who evaded detection, and managed to become U.S. president. I am sure he wouldn't like such a controversy to become the beacon of his legacy.

Now, playing with the facts: He said at his Cairo speech that "he had Muslim roots." Sure, his father was a Muslim, but did any Muslim roots grow inside him from that ancestry, or was that statement a rhetorical passage in his speech to impress Muslims?, Again, we may never know. I think it was pure rhetoric.

Obama's former pastor, the controversial Revered Jeremiah Wright, said that "Obama hasn't spoken to him since he was elected president, and he doesn't expect Obama to call him until after his presidency ends." The Reverend Wright, who described 9/11 as "the chickens had come home to roost," is a liability for Obama now,
and Obama would certainly keep his distance from any "political controversy and/or liability." And the Muslim religion is part of that controversy as well - no matter if we try to separate it from our Muslim deadly enemies. They both flow out of the same religious, cultural and ideological fountain, and they are the tightly knit fabric of Islam. We say that they hate and attack us to deprive us our freedom, and they say that they hate and attack us because we imposed on them despotic regimes that deprived them of their freedom. Take your pick. That is not the subject here.

Is Obama a Muslim at heart masquerading as a Christian? Is he a Muslim impostor who managed to become president in a Christian superpower brimming with anti- Muslim sentiment? Only he knows. And since he certainly plans to write books and make millions after his presidency is over, he wouldn't certainly spur a
controversy to spoil these marketing prospects.

What is the answer? It's unknown, and it may not become known until Obama's posthumous era. Now, let's get out of the dark cave of Obama's religious beliefs, and focus our dialectics on Obama's handling of the economy. Nikos Retsos, retired professor

Posted by: Nikos_Retsos | August 19, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Not only is Obama a MUSLIM, but he also spent too much time in Rev Wright's CHURCH. Huh?

I actually had someone tell me that's what they believed. It just proves the point, you can't have a logical debate with people who are not logical.

Posted by: sonny2 | August 19, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Although it is very easy to confuse obama's overt suppport for the muslim community and his history of being educated as a youngster in Muslim schools, there should be no doubt that he is not a muslim practitioner. Do not forget that 20+ years he sat in a pew and listened intently to the fire-and-brimstone hateful dialogue of Jeramiah Wright, who is definitely not Muslim. It is obvious that Christianity and Muslim, as religions, are antithetical to each other. However, the confusion gets more complicated when we remember that he purposely went to Chicago to learn political charades from the most publically corrupt system in the country. They let him practice his lessons by giving him a position with ACORN, which taught him many of the traits he proudly displays now.

The majority of voters (real, fictitious, and dead) accepted that when he was elected. He is a person, just like all of us. I think he is doing the best he can based on what he perceives is correct. Mr. Obama is not a practicing Muslim, but it is interesting to note that a majority of the people polled think he is. Remember the addage about perception...

Posted by: mark_mcgovern | August 19, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Well, this is one issue where you don't have to take Obama or the media's word for it. You have John McCain's! And really, who would benefit the most by Obama actually being a muslim than him?

Same for the birther crowd. Both Hillary and McCain would have benefitted if Obama wasn't a citizen - one of them would be president right now.

Does anyone honestly think they put their presidential aspirations aside to be a part of some giant 40-year conspiracy to make a muslim african our president? Wait, don't answer that...

Posted by: citizenFFX | August 19, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: A-Voter | August 19, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"N.Y. Muslims say debate over proposed Islamic community center reflects lack of understanding."

Hmmm, I understand that Islam-
*14,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last eight years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).
* Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad
* Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
* Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.
None of these other religions are at war with each other.
* Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.
* The Qur'an never once speaks of Allah's love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah's cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.
* "Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!"
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)

I THINK I UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY WHAT THIS RELIGION OF PIECES IS !

Posted by: eriksorenson | August 19, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

This just in: 18% of Americans are suffering from Down Syndrome.

If there's a reason we can't figure out his religion it's because anyone with half a brain abandoned religion shortly after he/she learned how to read.

Posted by: laugh_riot | August 19, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

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