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Posted at 10:07 AM ET, 11/17/2010

Pistole gets the 'pat-down'

By Michael D. Bolden

[This post will be updated]

Transportation Security Administrator John S. Pistole told a Congressional committee Wednesday morning that he and other senior members of the Department of Homeland Security have all experienced the enhanced "pat-downs" recently implemented as an airport screening tool.

Pistole was responding to a question from Sen. Byron L. Dorgan (D-N.D.) during testimony before the Senate Commerce Committee. The panel is holding a TSA oversight hearing and it is Pistole's first appearance since being confirmed this summer.

The pat-down "is thorough," Pistole told the members. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was one of the officials who experienced the pat-down, he said. Officials wanted to fully understand the screening procedure before it was implemented, he added. Pistole also offered to have a qualified TSA officer perform the pat-down on any member of the committee who wants one.

Pistole declined to provide specific details in a public hearing on what is involved in the procedure, but he said he could provide additional details in a closed session. He doesn't want to provide "a roadmap" to people who might seek to defeat enhanced pat-downs, he said.

Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R.-Texas) said members would probably request such a briefing.

With the busy Thanksgiving travel season upon us, the increasing deployment of full-body scanners at airports has civil libertarians and members of the flying public concerned about screening procedures. People who decline the advanced imaging scanners, also referred to as a virtual strip search because of the details on the images, are subject to the enhanced pat-downs, which some see as inappropriate. Pistole told the Commerce Committee that "the work force is fully trained in the technology," and that workers are conducting them professionally.

Consumer rights activist Ralph Nader has called the measures -- the pat-downs and the scanners -- "extremely voyeuristic and intrusive." An Ashburn man is organizing a national "opt-out day" for the day before Thanksgiving. He is urging travelers to decline to use the full-body scanners and demand enhanced pat-downs to increase awareness of the technique.

Sen. George LeMieux (R-Fla.) said he thinks the enhanced pat-downs go too far.

"I would not want my wife to be touched in [that way]," he said. "I would not want to be touched that way. There has to be a balance here. ... I think we've gone too far afield."

On Tuesday Pistole told the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs that passengers who object to any type of physical screening are not going to fly anywhere.

Pistole reiterated that sentiment on Wednesday, saying that "The core mission ... is to keep the traveling public safe." Travelers want to have high confidence, he said, that everyone has been screened. Pistole also repeated a call for travelers "to partner" with TSA in making travel safe.

Meanwhile, the TSA on its blog Tuesday issued a clarification about what happens if you opt out of screening and leave the checkpoint. Questions arose after a recent incident in San Diego where a California man recorded a dispute with TSA officers and said he was threatened with a $10,000 fine. "While TSA has the legal authority to levy a civil penalty of up to $11,000.00 for cases such as this," the blog posting says, "each case is determined on the individual circumstances of the situation."

Pistole told the Senate Commerce Committee that he was not aware of any instance where a person who refused screening has been fined. The fines have been reserved for people who attempt to smuggle items through security, he said.

Pistole said the San Diego incident was under review.

The hearing adjourned about 11 a.m. Wednesday.

Discussion: Washington Post staff writer Ashley Halsey III will be online Wednesday, Nov. 17, at 1:30 p.m. ET to discuss new TSA regulations for screening airline passengers. Link to the chat here.

Related stories:

Federal Eye blog on Wednesday hearing

Pat-downs' causing passenger backlash

If you won't submit to screening, you won't fly, TSA says

Passenger punches TSA officer

By Michael D. Bolden  | November 17, 2010; 10:07 AM ET
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As a fact-finding experience, every Congressman, congressional spouse, and congressional children should received these "enhanced interrogation pat downs"

Posted by: getjiggly1 | November 17, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Our government says:

Pistole declined to provide specific details in a public hearing on what is involved in the procedure, but he said he could provide additional details in a closed session. He doesn't want to provide "a roadmap" to people who might seek to defeat enhanced pat-downs, he said.

Why is he allowed to get away with this non-sense? Thousands of people are being subjected to this, filming it, observing it every day. What secret is he protecting? This isn't protecting national security. It is protecting them from the light of day and continuing the charade that is security theater.

Posted by: bob5 | November 17, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I watched part of his testimony just now on CSPAN. Tap dancing by both the senators and Pistole. Oh you're doing such a great job.

Wish for once they'd cut the crap and ask questions like 'so, do you think that it makes any sense at all to grope a grandma who is 85 years old and stuck in a wheelchair? How does she really fit any profile or constitute some sort of risk to national security? Or some four year old with a stuffed animal?"

And then not let him leave until he answers, because folks, that is the real world for the average traveler. And he baldfaced lied that no one under 12 is being screened. There are tapes showing kids being screened all over the net.

It's going to get interesting to see what happens over Thanksgiving. There will be upset all over America.

Welcome to what happens when your government refuses to do full on behavioral profiling or use explosive sniffing dogs and instead, wastes it's time on obvious innocents.

Posted by: Geepers1 | November 17, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Is it standard operating procedure that the pat down must be performed by a member of the same sex? Can a gay individual request that a member of the opposite sex conduct the pat down?

Posted by: fakedude2 | November 17, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I think he should be anally probed for lying like this before Congress. These pat downs are an outrageous invasion of privacy and dignity. And they are useless. Are they patting down the 8 dollar an hour illegal immigrants loading the food carts on the plane or cleaning up the plane? NO! It's a big joke! This policy must be revised to respect the travelling public's rights to privacy and safety.

Posted by: PepperDr | November 17, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

So what happends when a terrorist attempts to hide explosives in his rectum? Will we all be cavity searched?

Posted by: pswift00 | November 17, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Profiling would not solve the problem. We have plenty of home-grown terrorists who look nothing like a middle eastern "terrorist" (whatever that look is supposed to be).

The issue is that the TSA "security" is not security, its the illusion of security, regardless of who is getting patted down or groped or xray-ed.

It's not a lefty-righty issue, its plain old common sense. If only our lawmakers had any of their own with the spine to back it up and do something about it. But, alas we keep electing cowardly demagogues instead (both sides).

I think it would be a winning election pledge if some politician would have the guts to stand up and publicly state that they would reform the TSA and bring back common sense to air travel and not stand for ridiculous theatrical inconveniences.

Posted by: lmanion85 | November 17, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"Is it standard operating procedure that the pat down must be performed by a member of the same sex? Can a gay individual request that a member of the opposite sex conduct the pat down?

Posted by: fakedude2 | November 17, 2010 11:12 AM"

Why do you have to be homosexual for that? I'm not a queer and I don't want some guy groping me--I'd far rather have a woman conduct the procedure.

To address a different issue, I heard on WTOP this morning that the TSA says that children will not have to undergo the same level of scrutiny as adults. If that's true, then it underscores that they're full of it that any of this nonsense is a "security" measure. There is nothing to stop a determined terrorist from using a child as a "mule" to transport explosives or other devices, and exempting a child from the procedure simply encourages that sort of thing. I suppose the TSA is concerned about being accused of pedophilia when they start fondling little boys and girls (and rightly so), but if that's true, then it's tantamount to an admission that they're groping adults.

Regarding the guy in San Diego, all the news reports indicate that the TSA staffers ***directed him to leave***. If that's true, then they have no business seeking to fine him, as he followed their own instructions. If you demand that he leave, then you waive your right to complain that he left!

Posted by: 1995hoo | November 17, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Have not flown since the patdown but will be
flying soon. When was the last time a 5'2",
elderly, blonde, blue-eyed female ever tried
to get a bomb on a plane? That is me. Look
to the ones who do try -- MIDDLE EASTERN MEN. End of comment.

Posted by: Naoma | November 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Pistole is a real nutcase. There is always a problem entrusting broader decisions on appropriate security to security personnel -- they will always sacrifice EVERYTHING ELSE to obtain a little certitude.

This really intrusive screening is totally absurd. Something has got to be done to rein in the TSA, which has gone totally rogue.

Posted by: FergusonFoont | November 17, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse


I think the government has now turned the gay issue on its head and boxed themselves in.


Example: gays are arousd sexually by the same sex ( they claim that they are husband or wife to them)


now comes these pat downs but they assign same sex tsa people because up until gays were a protected minority, no person of the opposite sex was allowed the intimacy and sexual contact with the opposite sex.


well now what? we want to know which TSA person is gay. Because as it stands now gays are being sexually aroused by the pat downs ( which may extend to sexually invasive conduct)

gyas in the tsa should not be allowed sexual contact with the same sex unless they declare they are gay and the passenger is gay.

seems no one thought this through.


ahd how do we tell the pedoplile employee?


Posted by: JohnAdams1 | November 17, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I think that we passengers should be allowed to return the favor to the TSA screeners.

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

And, as a heterosexual male, I would MUCH rather be fondled by a girl.

Posted by: FergusonFoont | November 17, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

What happens if I have a colostomy bag? Do I need to explain that to a TSA agent? Why? A metal bar down my leg? 4 metal plates in my head? Why do they have to look at all my personal belongings in my bag and display them for all to see? I want to know that I'll be safe when I travel, but there has to be a way to do this without infringing in my privacy. It has been 9 years since 9/11; something should have been figured out already. Don't you think?

Posted by: EGGArgost | November 17, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Americans are slowly giving up their Constitutional rights, bit by bit, to Big Brother because they have been given the illusionary promise of "security". There is no security in life and turning over our rights to the government must have our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.

Posted by: B-rod | November 17, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

"Have not flown since the patdown but will be flying soon. When was the last time a 5'2", elderly, blonde, blue-eyed female ever tried to get a bomb on a plane? That is me. Look to the ones who do try -- MIDDLE EASTERN MEN. End of comment."

Posted by: Naoma | November 17, 2010 11:45 AM

You mean like Jihad Jane?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/09/AR2010030902670.html

Posted by: MaxH | November 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

And yet State giddily visas the bad guys in. 9/11 was used by our pols to increase their harassment of Americans by hiring, at Americans' expense, thousands of unionized unemployables at the airports and on our border with Mexico. "Lose them shoes, granny! Bind over a little more, toots! !A burujon punao[~], you!"

Posted by: phvr38 | November 17, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Have not flown since the patdown but will be
flying soon. When was the last time a 5'2",
elderly, blonde, blue-eyed female ever tried
to get a bomb on a plane? That is me. Look
to the ones who do try -- MIDDLE EASTERN MEN. End of comment.

Posted by: Naoma | November 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't mean to be rude, but if you'd paid any attention to events outside of America, you would know that the Chechens have been using female suicide bombers abroad planes in Russia for years. Beside that point, Richard Reid wasn't wearing a turban, sounds British, and looked like a goof-ball, and the "Christmas day bomber" Umar Farouk was a black Nigerian. Thanks for applying your bigoted thoughts on a serious issue.

Posted by: mej8h | November 17, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The basic problem is that while MOST TSA agents are fine, you get those that are rude, crude and down-right offensive. Anyone remember the case against the TSA at Regan a few years ago - male TSA agents who "screened" and performed "pat downs" of females? They groped. They were unprofessional. They lost the lawsuit. It happens.

Lets use logic and common sense. No child should have to be patted down. They don't understand why a stranger is touching them in places that NO ONE should touch them. Parents should not have to see their children touched like this. Teenagers should not have to go through this. Pregnant women should not have to go through this and the elderly should not have to go through this. Pilots and crew should not have to go through this. Are grounds crews and gate agents going through these searches? They have access to the planes too.

Posted by: Lilitoo | November 17, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Wear a gym suit to the airport and when it is time for your screening, take off everything down to your speedos, tank top and flip flops. Bet know they would want to do a body cavity search or want to arrested for indecent exposure. There has to be another way.

Posted by: toogood59 | November 17, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

If you exclude someone from these searches, you are giving an opportunity for terrorists to use them to bomb a plane. Not screening wheelchairs? Fine, they put a explosives in the frame. Not screening pregnant women? Fine, create a fake belly with explosives in it. Are these scenarios likely? No, but either was a shoe bomb or an underwear bomb. You are applying your sense of decency to people who want to blowup a plane. Just go through the scanner, yes it sucks and is completely overpriced and is looking for the last bomb, but it's a lot better than having someone handle your crotch and butt.

Posted by: mej8h | November 17, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I went through airport security yesterday in Austin, Texas. Now, in the last six months, I've taken several airline trips.

Yesterday, the screener advised me to take everything out of my shoes as they went through the screening. I had some loose change that I threw in my shoes, along with my cell phone - exactly the same as I have done on the trips before. But, the screener said "Nothing goes in the shoes". So, I asked if I should go back through the security line (he was talking (or barking) at me from a distance of about 25-30 feet). "Nah, just don't ever do it again" was the response.

Quite a professional guy - and doing something that apparently every other screener had missed on my previous flights? I don't think so. It's just that every one of these so called "professionals" have their own little set of rules. And, after we were in line to board, a TSA guy is checking carry-on bags and he picks a young mom with two small children (estimate of under one year and two years). Guess he didn't want to be accused of profiling since he ignored the middle age couple of middle-East decent who looked far more suspect than this young mom.

Posted by: adjjones | November 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

and just what were the circumstances of those pat-downs. let napolitano and that tsa freak go thru airport security as anonymous 'citizens' ... you can bet what they experienced is nothing like what the general public is subjected to.

and did you notice the offer of a 'qualified tsa' agent do the grope and sniff.

Posted by: mycomment | November 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I really need a patdown. But I hate flying. What to do?

Posted by: ravitchn | November 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

the transparent idiocy of Pissy and his minions saying they got Groped is appalling....

as if anyone thinks that a cowering TSA mope giving the Grope to his Big Bosses is going to treat them with any of the disdain and pettiness that they are clearly dishing out to the public is insulting to the intelligence of anyone with an IQ greater than a radish.

Posted by: fendertweed | November 17, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I would like an explanation of this administration why asking a suspected illegal alien for ID is not acceptable but an unreasonable search and invasion of privacy without provocation is acceptable.
It appears that Americans and legal residents in this country have far less rights than aliens and illegals.
It is also incomprehensible that the brothers and sisters (Muslims) of the people who cause all the problems might be exempt from the invasive procedures.
This procedure obviously violates the constitution and must be discontinued.

Posted by: duif100 | November 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I think that "FergusonFoont" has the right idea with his comment of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours." As a heterosexual female, I, too, would prefer to be groped -- ah, I mean, patted down -- by a male TSA screener....

Posted by: anon57 | November 17, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

TSA in general is very unprofessional. but com'on face they're entry level workers, usually inner-city, who don't have much experince with life or being treated with respect. we shoud impeach or re-call the judges in the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals 2007 who said that the TSA can force a security screening even if a passenger declines to fly and trys to leave.

Posted by: submarinerssn774 | November 17, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many sex offenders are going to apply for a job at the TSA.

Posted by: duif100 | November 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

And, after we were in line to board, a TSA guy is checking carry-on bags and he picks a young mom with two small children (estimate of under one year and two years). Guess he didn't want to be accused of profiling since he ignored the middle age couple of middle-East decent who looked far more suspect than this young mom.

Posted by: adjjones | November 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

How did they look more suspicious? How did you know they were Middle Eastern, did you ask them, did they say to you that they were from Yemen? Your petty thoughts about who is suspicious just shows what is wrong with defending this country from terrorists. We keep thinking that we know who is a terrorist by appearance, but after 9/11 neither Reid nor Faruk "looked" Middle Eastern. As has been said before, Chechens have been using women suicide bombers aboard planes in Russia for years. Good luck with your visual/bigoted inspections, and thank god you are not in a position of power.

Posted by: mej8h | November 17, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

If the TSA was serious about catching explosives they'd have bomb-sniffing dogs present at security check points. Passengers would simply be asked to walk slowly past the dog - no radiation or sexual assault required. However, Muslims dont like dogs and would object to having to be near one. So, of course the govt must shred the Constitution to make them happy.

BTW - will parents be arrested for child endangerment (aka: airport "security") if they either (a) expose them to harmful radiation or (b) hand them over to a stranger so he can feel them up?

Posted by: ktlm | November 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

My first reaction when reading about this is "Really? Come on! Really?"

I do agree that within your own confines of everyday life in your home you have the right to privacy but on this issue i believe your wrong.

The right to fly in a plane or travel the airways is NOT constitutional. YOU and everyone else has a CHOICE if they want to fly or not.

If you don't want to experience the highten security scans or pat-downs, it's very simple. Choose not to fly and you'll never have to subject yourself to it. Flying is NOT a RIGHT.

Posted by: suck2 | November 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Just as in every federal office building they post pictures of the agency bigwigs in the lobby, the full body scans of the TSA administrator and other bigwigs should be posted in every airport - with heads not blacked out.

Posted by: FeelWood | November 17, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone doubt that bin Laden and his ilk are laughing right now.

His stated purpose: Disrupt American life.

What better way than to use the TSA as his running dog!

Wonder what would happen if I wore a t-shirt that says, "TSA SUCKS!" in metallic ink. Free speech?

Posted by: billgaley1 | November 17, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Just do whatever the government tells you to do. Its for your own good. No government has every taken advantage of their people, why be so suspicious now?
Oh, and the scanner and junk-touching does nothing to find inserted objects. The terrorists already know this. The next thing they will try is to carry explosives inserted in a body cavity. To avoid this every passenger should remove their pants, grab their ankles and submit to a enhanced "probing" to make sure they are not carrying explosives. For speed perhaps the TSA could probe both the oral and rectal cavities at the same time. Once again the TSA will do something that disturbs and dehumanizes the traveler in the name of safety no matter how little actual safety is gained. The TSA is god - bow, or bend over.

Posted by: TravelGrrrr | November 17, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

When the government starts screening checked bags and cargo, they can start talking about sexual assault. They allow cargo on passenger planes all the time without screening them. Most recently, terrorists tried just this method of taking down a loan in a dry run. This useless, meaningless body searches are to give the appearance of safety all the while they are scoffing at fulfilling their real responsibilities in keeping planes safe - screen the cargo. These scanners do not show powder explosives anyone nor do pat downs do that if they are placed in areas of their body the scanners can't see. This is a joke.

Posted by: petka | November 17, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Beyond security, these searches are also intended to find such things as information media, cash and/or any drugs on or about the subject.

Posted by: jojo4 | November 17, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

TSA's fine crop of Inner-city welfare mopes really ARE professionals at pat-downs. They have it done to them a lot ...PLUS, an extra advantage is they pat down their own victims on the street looking for money and drugs.

Bottom Line: Middle class, tax-payers really are getting their money's worth for once...and still complain about a stray fthumb up the ass. Com'on Folks try it ...you like it!

Posted by: anderson2 | November 17, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

This is all very simple, we have to endure Stalinist tactics because the leftists will not profile the right people, young, Muslim men. All outside terrorists are and have been young, Muslim men. This nation needs to get real.

Posted by: walterndebby | November 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

However, Muslims dont like dogs and would object to having to be near one. So, of course the govt must shred the Constitution to make them happy.

Posted by: ktlm | November 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Really? You think that there aren't bomb sniffing dogs in airports, because Muslims don't like them? I guess it might be because there just aren't that many bomb sniffing dogs in the country. I'm sure that between Iraq, Afghanistan, and police departments outside of airports, there is a pretty high demand. However, I'm glad to see that so very many ignorant jerks can read.

Posted by: mej8h | November 17, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

If you are given a pat-down, here is what I suggest: say sexually suggestive things to the screener. Ask for a phone number or invite for a drink, make lude noises, whatever. The goal is to make them uncomfortable. If enough people do this, the screeners will eventually revolt. Also makes them less likely to make you want to continue.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 17, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"Beyond security, these searches are also intended to find such things as information media, cash and/or any drugs on or about the subject."

Which is an unreasonable and 4th amendment violation b/c all of those items are outside of the TSA's scope. TSA is not a law enforcement agency and can search for certain prohibited items. Any of those items you listed are not a threat to the plane, crew or passengers.

Posted by: NoVAHockey | November 17, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

If you are given a pat-down, here is what I suggest: say sexually suggestive things to the screener. Ask for a phone number or invite for a drink, make lewd noises, whatever. The goal is to make them uncomfortable. If enough people do this, the screeners will eventually revolt and tell their bosses they aren't happy with the procedures, or will do a less intrusive job by nature.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | November 17, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Wish for once they'd cut the crap and ask questions like 'so, do you think that it makes any sense at all to grope a grandma who is 85 years old and stuck in a wheelchair? How does she really fit any profile or constitute some sort of risk to national security? Or some four year old with a stuffed animal?"

Do you honestly think that someone who is willing to kill a plane load of innocent people would balk at hiding a bomb on the person of an elderly grandma in a wheelchair, or even in the stuffed toy of a child? They've used the young, elderly and mentally disabled to unknowingly become human bombs overseas. Why think they would avoid that here, given the chance. We are faced with morally distasteful predators, and to be safe from them we will at times be faced with socially distasteful solutions. My main goal is to get to my destination alive and well, and unfortunately in today's world I realize I will have to put up with a lot to insure that.

Posted by: staranela | November 17, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

It's not a "pat down." It's a "feel up."

Posted by: solsticebelle | November 17, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This type of search will force a lot of Americans to drive to either to Mexico or Canada, and catch a plane from there to visit a foreign country. I think it is ironic, but illegal immigrants are treated with more respect by immigration and TSA than they treat us.

Posted by: fridaolay | November 17, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Americans are slowly giving up their Constitutional rights, bit by bit, to Big Brother because they have been given the illusionary promise of "security". There is no security in life and turning over our rights to the government must have our Founding Fathers spinning in their graves.

Posted by: B-rod | November 17, 2010 11:53 AM

I completely agree.

Posted by: David77 | November 17, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bob5-it is NOT nonsense! It makes very good aviation security sense NOT to give an official government demonstration in public of what the pat-down consists of-you'd have to be an idiot not to realize that-you THINK you know everything that is going on at the screening checkpoint, but you don't. You THINK that everyone can observe the pat-down, BUT THEY CAN'T.

It is very appropriate that members of Congress receive a detailed briefing as to the reasons for the pat-down, and a demonstration of the pat-down itself BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, SO THAT IT WILL NOT BE PUBLICLY COMMUNICATED, SO THAT THE BAD GUYS CAN USE THAT INFO. TO FORM A MOSAIC OF AVIATION SECURITY PROCEDURES THAT CAN BE USED TO PLAN ATTACKS AGAINST CIVIL AVIATION-THE BAD GUYS ARE ALWAYS OBSERVING WHAT GOES ON AT THE AIRPORT-ALWAYS TESTING THE SYSTEM-YOU'D HAVE TO BE AN IDIOT NOT TO HAVE READ THAT.

So, please, do us all a favor, either use that cabbage sitting on your neck to actually THINK THROUGH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, instead of talking out of your a zz, or shut the e ff up!

Posted by: Spring_Rain | November 17, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

P.S. staranela-I'm afraid your comment is beyond inane as well. THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY OF INSTANCES WHERE PREGNANT WOMEN WERE CONSPIRATORS IN TERRORIST ATTACKS AGAINST AVIATION, WHERE WHEELCHAIRS, PARTICULARLY, HAVE BEEN PACKED WITH SEMTEX, AND HAVE, IN YEARS PAST, MADE IT THROUGH THE CHECKPOINT, AND THEN WERE CAUGHT, AND OLD PEOPLE, ACTING AS MULES TO CARRY OUT ATTACKS, CHILDREN'S TEDDY BEARS HAVE BEEN SEWN UP AND FOUND TO CONTAIN WEAPONS WITHIN-NO ONE, EEDJIT STARANELA, IS IMMUNE BY VIRTUE OF THEIR RACE, THEIR SEX, THEIR AGE, THEIR RELIGION, FROM BEING PATTED DOWN, AND SEARCHED AT AN AIRPORT SCREENING CHECKPOINT-NO ONE!

Posted by: Spring_Rain | November 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I would like to suggest a national "Fart During Your Pat Down" day.

Posted by: RGee1 | November 17, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I flew out of the Spokane airport on Friday morning. There were two security lines: the traditional X-ray and the other a full-body scan. My line was the traditional X-ray. As I approached the entry point TSA demanded I move to the full-body scan line or be subjected to a pat down.

I have done the full-body scan line before, but just didn’t feel like it that morning and I didn’t like the belligerent attitude of the TSA people. So we proceeded to the pat down. They made the pat down harsh and intrusive and slow, as retribution for not going through the full-body scan.

So I took my time in vacating their inspection area as well. I sat down and very slowly laced my shoes back up, took time to open and reorganize my rollaboard as I put my liquids away, checked my cell phone for messages as I put my belt and phone back on, shook and checked the pockets of my jacket, reviewed my boarding pass. Although I would have preferred to avoid the entire experience, I did enjoy watching the TSA guy fume over my delays, anxious as he was for the next fondling victim.

Posted by: Momotaro1 | November 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

When flying Friday, if the TSA employee looks like Hagrid, I am going for the scanner. However, if like Emma Watson, I am going for the grope!

Posted by: myviewat60 | November 17, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"Pistole also repeated a call for travelers "to partner" with TSA in making travel safe."

Now bend over partner and grab your ankles....

Being bullied by incompetents is not acceptable Congress!

If you won't stop them you don't deserve to be re-elected.

Posted by: Over-n-Out | November 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The best part is watching the mooslums go ballistic when they get felt up by the ghetto losers who are the TSA. They should of thought of that before they started worshiping achild raping mass murderer.

Posted by: carlbatey | November 17, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

So what happends when a terrorist attempts to hide explosives in his rectum? Will we all be cavity searched?

Posted by: pswift00 | November 17, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Excellent Point, and you're corect for asking the question...(e.g. Shoe bomber - We all take off our shoes...Liquid bomb, no more clear liquids to take on board, underwear bomber...here we go...Azz bomber...uh oh...bend over and grab your ankles everyone). That's the knee-jerk response that the Government applies to EVERYTHING these days. Basically, who cares if it doesn't work, so long as it looks like it's working! I say avoid air travel at all costs...if the airlines are hit hard, maybe they can force some moderation where it's needed. When nuns and 3 year olds are subjected to invasive pat-downs (of course Muslim women will probably be excluded thanks to puking PC), it's too much.

Posted by: eello | November 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The enemy is our government! The USA police state has been increasing since the idiotcy of bush/cheney and keeps invading Americans freedoms.....

More people in jail than any oter country in the world and the great majority for non-violent crimes and each prisoner costing Americans roughly $50-65,000 a year and when a prisoner is released he cannot get a decent job so we have created a criminal for life......end private prisons and as well end hopeless policy such as drug enforcement...

America the land of the free is no more....the military industrialists in cllusion with the politicians has and is turning our country into a paranoid state!

Get rid of politicians, lawyers and greedy corps- military industrialists, brokerages, and oil companies .....nationalize the oil companies for the good of all Americans and end these senseless and unethical wars that are killing and maiming hundreds of thousands since 9/11.....

Help make America once again the Land Of The Free - but peaceful free!

Posted by: ticked | November 17, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I am opposed to the "if you don't want to be frisked then you must have something to hide" attitude and actually have a strong, negative physical reaction when I think about what could happen to me if am unlucky enough to be "randomly" selected for the pat-down.

I can come up with hundreds of Hollywood style, worst-case scenarios that a terrorist could use to cause remarkable damage to our country that do not have anything to do with boarding a plane. And I'm not even a screenwriter. If people are so concerned about bombs, then why do they still ride the subway, go to sporting events or eat food that they haven't prepared themselves? Did I miss the memo where terrorists are only allowed to target commercial planes? Feeling up citizens will not reduce your risks of being bombed on a plane, it will only embarrass those of us who don't want to be exposed and/or fondled and perhaps give others a false sense of security. I am starting to believe that the underwear bomber incident was staged to justify the scanners. And the pat-downs are to force you to accept them as the lesser of two evils. It will work, since not flying isn't an option for many, but I won't be among them.

Posted by: ca2kly210 | November 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

As someone whose knee has been replaced, I've been "patted down" so often I often call out the magic words "male assist" as I walk through the metallic screening device before I do so. My biggest frustration with this is the time delay, not the pat down. I find it ironic that a REPUBLICAN congressman protests since his party was in power when airport screening was significantly increased. You don't get to have it both ways! "Freedom Isn't Free", remember?

Posted by: rbrown6 | November 17, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

2011 -- NATIONAL NO FLY YEAR....

Do what ever you can NOT to fly. Video conference.... Drive.... Take a train.... Take a bus.... use the telephone.

Give yourself a break from the humiliation, expense and stress of air travel.

Every time you wiggle out of a flight, smile, because you are participating in National No Fly Year.
To heck with TSA and the airlines.

Just tell your boss, "They said we could do it over the phone instead..."

Posted by: VoltageSpike000 | November 17, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly

The terrorists have won, and the DHS and TSA have helped them win.

Posted by: jgmann | November 17, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Run airport security the way it's been done in Israel for 30 years with the most success on the planet. You want to know how they do it? Look it up.

Posted by: thebink | November 17, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Now, evidently, it seems that everyone thinks that it is a 'human right' to fly. Look, you may choose to fly, or not. If you choose to do so, you may choose the scanner or a pat down. If, for some reason, you can't or don't choose one, you get the other, or, you misspoke--you have chosen not to fly.

I personally don't like either of these options, but, I will choose one or opt for another mode of transportation when I travel, or I will not travel.

Inconvenient and a pain in the nect? Yes. Complicated? No!

Perhaps those of you who can't or won't accept either type of security check can get together, charter your own planes, and make your own rules.

Now, if only the TSA would take over Homeland Security and protect our borders.

Posted by: coffic | November 17, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

They could profile the groups of people who we know are most likely to be terrorist. But, Oh My, no! That would be offensive!

So instead, we get a nude body scan and then our breasts and genitials groped! I guess that is supposed to not be offensive.

Yup, smart, really smart!

Posted by: heathergreeneyes | November 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Have not flown since the patdown but will be flying soon. When was the last time a 5'2", elderly, blonde, blue-eyed female ever tried to get a bomb on a plane? That is me. Look to the ones who do try -- MIDDLE EASTERN MEN. End of comment."

Posted by: Naoma | November 17, 2010 11:45 AM

You mean like Jihad Jane?
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Yes, so we have 10,000 Middle easterbn terrorist and 1 Jihad Jane.

Jihad Jane? So you mean in addition to how she looked she was also connected to a particular religion that is also part of the profile of terrorist and probably also has spent time in countries that are associated with training these terrorists.

She is still well within the profile of the terrorist we are fighting! She still fits within the profile.

But instead, we are going to take nude pictures of everyone and then grope them!

Posted by: heathergreeneyes | November 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many will discover they're gay during same-sex pat-downs.
Sterling Greenwood/AspenFreePress

Posted by: AspenFreePress | November 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Having traveled to Israel several times going through Israeli security procedures, the procedures the TSA has put in place is laughable. Other than enriching the manufacturers of the scanning equipment and alienating an increasing percentage of the populations, they really are not accomplishing much. The reality is that the best way to trackdown potential terrorists is through careful screening and passenger profiling. As most plane tickets are now purchased on line, it would be easier to do a preliminary screening of passengers when they purchase a ticket. Screening could then be focused on those that were late purchasers or whose name appeared on the warning lists. To quote either Yogi or Casey, the thing about common sense is that it is uncommon.

Posted by: samr1 | November 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If Americans accept these new security scans and pat-downs then they are truly sheep. Where are your guts? Stand up and say "NO!". I will never get onto another airplane as long as these checks are in place. I can get anywhere in the USA within 3 days by bus or train. I resent the scans and searches and I resent having to take off my belt and shoes and have all my belongings rifled through. If I bring along a computer I risk having the files checked by TSA which is really outrageous. HEY TSA!!!! I REFUSE TO ACCEPT YOUR NEW SECURITY MEASURES!!!
Mark Montgomery NYC, NY boboberg@nyc.rr.com

Posted by: boboberg | November 17, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The ‘Crocodile Dundee’ method of flight security has now been implemented. (The bar scene....)

Posted by: rocketrichardII | November 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If Americans accept these new security scans and pat-downs then they are truly sheep. Where are your guts? Stand up and say "NO!". I will never get onto another airplane as long as these checks are in place. I can get anywhere in the USA within 3 days by bus or train. I resent the scans and searches and I resent having to take off my belt and shoes and have all my belongings rifled through. If I bring along a computer I risk having the files checked by TSA which is really outrageous. HEY TSA!!!! I REFUSE TO ACCEPT YOUR NEW SECURITY MEASURES!!!
Mark Montgomery NYC, NY boboberg@nyc.rr.com

Posted by: boboberg | November 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Instead of the American public discussing whether or not it's fair to have private parts searched, we need to all focus, or should I say our bureaucratic agencies need to, on the fact that bombs may still get aboard passenger and storage areas. let's focus on passengers. Unless full cavity searches are implemented destructive devices may be implanted or simply inserted inside human cavities. So friendly pat downs still don't solve the problem. Friendly pat downs just exasperate the issue.

Posted by: IncendiaryDevices | November 17, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I will not fly if all passengers and their luggage are not thoroughly screened. Those who object to such safety measures are thinking only of themselves. They are ready and willing to put other people's lives at risk - they are egocentric.

Posted by: outridercastle | November 17, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Allah- Akbar! Peace be upon the TSA and U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano for making our Jihad so much easier this time. In the name of the most merciful we may now employ our new IEEDs, (Improvised Enema Explosive Devices). While you Americans and the TSA are busy having your wives and children violated in front of all and your manhood handled by rent-a-cops, someone else could have been busy too! You see, let's make up a nonexistent character called Martyr Mahmoud, Blessings upon him, and what if he got up this morning after fasting for 30 hrs. Preparing, perhaps a condom filled with .5 pounds of C4.
A little molding elongating, a little olive oil, relax now, ..there that wasn't so bad. Now take 3 showers, scrub any possible residue. The little micro blasting cap is so mixed up with the laptop wiring that even Mahmoud has to look carefully; ah there it is Now you can walk in the scanners with confidence or even endure the infidels enhanced pat down, whatever tickles the TSA's fancy. Now of course this would not work on an Israeli airline, they don't bother groping and scanning, they notice my name, when I buy my ticket and when I check in, my photograph is already zooming through some secure lines, They ask me some questions, check their intelligence data base, profile, then profile me some more and before you know it I would be in a room talking to someone from Mossad and that would be the end of my road.
6 months later...CNN SPECIAL REPORT>>>>>>>"The new rectum probes are being done as a process to make sure the traveling public is safe," she said, adding that the probes did not pose health risks and that privacy safeguards have been adopted".

Americans have a problem with being screened to board an airliner with cosmetic security by a reactive
T otaly
S tupid
A gency
I predicted the underwear bomber a year before it happened, why, DUH, it was common sense.
What is my answer?
Who do the terrorists hate the most?
The Israelis.
Who has a perfect airline security record?
The Israelis.
Who does no routine groping and x-ray strip searches?
The Israelis.
Who profiles more than anyone in the world and has the best intelligence data base?
The Israelis.
Fire Ms. Napolitano and hire Israeli Mossad to manage our airport security.


Posted by: Zerohour | November 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Of course, now that the TSA is instituting new policies to make sure no underwear bombers or Jihad Jane's get on airplanes, the GOP is complaining. Before, they complained that the Obama administration didn't take security serious enough if a guy with a bomb in his underwear got on, even though he got on overseas, but now the measures to make certain it doesn't happen is "too much". So the GOP is going to complain if they don't do enough and complain if they do too much. So pray tell GOP, what would you do?

Posted by: alaskan2 | November 17, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

TSA is not the issue. Congress is. CYA congressmen and women of both parties won't stand up for American rights because what if something should happen. Safer to delegate American rights to the bureaucracy.

Meanwhile, TSA lets the Time Square bomber who is the subject of massive manhunt get on a plane. Where's the Congressional investigation of that airport's TSA security?

Underwear bomber gets turned in by his father and government doesn't stop him from flying to U.S.

BTW, speaking of the loss of Fourth Amendment rights, do you think you can exercise any First Amendment rights without being subject to retaliatory harassment or worse?

Posted by: cscherf | November 17, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

TSA is not the issue. Congress is. CYA congressmen and women of both parties won't stand up for American rights because what if something should happen. Safer to delegate American rights to the bureaucracy.

Meanwhile, TSA lets the Time Square bomber who is the subject of massive manhunt get on a plane. Where's the Congressional investigation of that airport's TSA security?

Underwear bomber gets turned in by his father and government doesn't stop him from flying to U.S.

BTW, speaking of the loss of Fourth Amendment rights, do you think you can exercise any First Amendment rights without being subject to retaliatory harassment or worse?

Posted by: cscherf | November 17, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

TSA Agent - this MUST be one job a homosexaul canNOT have. They all must be married. The "don't ask - don't tell policy" does not apply in this position. I would rather have a male "feel me up" as opposed to a homosexual woman.

Posted by: trackerpam | November 18, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

The thing to remember while you are getting more radiation damage to your DNA, which is cumulative, and have someone ogling the unclothed images of the members of your family, or physically molesting them is that if the US didn’t have a “unbreakable relationship” with the squatter state to the point of blocking attempts at justice for the victims of ethnic cleansing in the Holy Land, making us equally guilty in the minds of the squatters victims, this wouldn’t be happening. So when you grow old and have skin or male (can’t get medical term past the automated censor) cancer, or one of your grandchildren develop childhood leukemia, thank a foreign squatter and their enablers in Washington.
As members of a democracy you have a responsibility to your family and neighbors to critique the actions of your representatives and keep them focused on justice for all humanity. By failing to stand up for the justice of others you have brought injustice upon yourselves. Therein lays the point of action, yourself, your government and the governments your government is an ally of. Ask your representatives to work toward justice for the Palestinians, Their land back, reparations and charges of war crimes against the squatters and their enablers.
There have been reports that the TSA has been going inside peoples clothing. If they don’t change their gloves between each person or reach past the top of their gloves in fondling everybody’s crotch then they have become vectors for crabs, bed bugs, crotch rot, herpes, genital warts, and all variety of diseases including AIDS.

Posted by: cjacks | November 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I fly very infrequently. That being said, I don't care about comments to drive or take alternative transportation. Quite frankly, before I submit to a blatantly illegal intimate search, I will. If any person wanted or attempted to take these kinds of revealing pictures or "pat" me down in this manner, they would be arrested for molestation at the very least. To condone this conduct as a matter of boarding a mode of transportation is obscene, period. What is worse is that the terrorists who hijacked the planes on 9/11 had common carry on items, nothing hidden or concealed, this protects no one nor does it make flying safer. The sham is that anyone believes this makes any difference at all other than to the companies promoting these machines bottom lines. Free enterprise is all well and good but basing it on sham information and paying for it with taxpayer dollars is more obscene than the screening/pat downs. Let every legislator and congressperson who endorsed these procedures and procured the
funding for them, subject themselves on every flight to them. Instead of taking
military or private aircraft for their myriad airline trips, let them be subject
to what they legislated or gave the green light to for the rest of us. These laws, regulations and rules get passed and those that give the go ahead never are subject to what they expect the rest of us to go through.

I will certainly sue if anyone thinks they will subject my children to blatant obscene pictures and/or physical contact in this manner. What the hell, let's
just label the TSA as a child molester and/or sexual voyeur and have them
register nationwide as a sex offender, that is exactly what they are doing. If
they are allowed to take pictures of you without your clothing on or check out
your intimate places, isn't that what we call molesters? Don't we prohibit them
from frequenting areas where children are present? And since the TSA thinks
this type of intimate examination of the general public is all right, how long
will it be before the nearest pedophile brings that up as a defense? If it's
all right for the TSA to have imaging that removes your clothing and is allowed
to examine you from head to toe, why isn't all right for anyone else? The convenience store, the bank, the gas station, the stadium, the concert venue, ad nauseum, just where do we draw the line on virtual strip searches and/or physical strip searches?

Think about it, if the whole justification is that people can hide things, can't they hide them for any illegal endeavor? Where is the line drawn? Virtual strip searches will only lead to physical strip searches, everyone has body cavities where they can hide things.

Got a rubber glove anyone? That is exactly where we are heading. I'd rather drive. As of now they can't strip search me for driving my car. And if this is all right, not much longer before it's buses and trains and all other public transport. Line up.

Posted by: kcbarl | November 20, 2010 4:23 AM | Report abuse

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