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The Gang of Six Appears to be Dead -- But How Many of Them Know It?

The White House has, for the first time, spoken out against a member of Max Baucus's "Gang of Six." After Mike Enzi used the GOP's weekly radio to attack the Democrats' health-care plan for promoting "the rationing of [America's] health care," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs fired back that Enzi "clearly turned over his cards on bipartisanship and decided that it's time to walk away from the table."

Everyone I've spoken to in the Senate believes, strongly, that this process is about to break down, and the Democrats are going to move forward on a more partisan basis. Presumably, the Republicans in the Gang of Six process have heard the same and have no interest in looking like fools when that happens. And so they're beginning to use their positions in the negotiations not to further the cause of a final bill, but to enhance their stature as spokesmen for the opposition. Grassley, as noted earlier, is sending out fundraising e-mails attacking "Obama-care." Enzi is lacerating Democratic ideas under the banner of his party. As far as I can tell, the Gang of Six process is already dead. What's happening now is that the participants seem to be raiding its corpse.

By Ezra Klein  |  August 31, 2009; 5:01 PM ET
Categories:  Health Reform  
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C'mon, Ezra. Some Republican will say, "Obama isn't quite Hitler," and the White House will walk back their comments, and the kabuki will continue until reform is formally dead.

Posted by: AZProgressive | August 31, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

To: All Responsible, Hard-Working, Tax-Paying American Citizens

1. Our Goal is fixed and firm; the path to the goal is flexible.
2. The Goal: The removal from office of EACH AND EVERY loony-left d-crat socialist and the restoration of a fiscally responsible government that respects and represents the views of the American people and is based on American values.

If the d-crat socialists continue to ignore the views of American citizens and unilaterally enact their horrific and hugely expensive plan for the nationalization of the American healthcare system and creation of government-controlled, limited and rationed healthcare, THEY WILL BE COMMITTING AN ACT OF PERFECT POLITICAL SUICIDE!

Thus, they will, in effect, be supporting the above Goal of real Americans, and we should all hope that they proceed with their insane effort.

So get some popcorn, sit back and watch as the d-crat socialists in congress BUCKLE-UP and carry out their version of David Carradine's final performance.

We'll pick off the remaining ones in the 2010 and 2012 elections.

Posted by: LoonyLeft | August 31, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

You're assuming that Democrats like Baucus want a major bill. I'm not. But conservative Democrats don't want to be responsible for actively killing health care reform; they just want it to suffocate gently under a bipartisan pillow.

Posted by: glewiss | August 31, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the Republicans are making a big political mistake. They are using the issue to whip up their base, but it's too far in advance of the next election. (And it appears that they aren't quite succeeding, because they are protesting a little too much. If they had the numbers on their side, they might not be wasting this much energy.) The polls blipped one way, and will blip back again. The entire opposition seems to be composed of the 50,000 employees the insurance industry sent out to the townhalls (according to the Wall Street Journal,) plus the reliable far-right ideologues on TV and radio, plus a few addle-pated old timers who thought Medicare would be nipped. But there is more than enough time to counter all this. If Congress passes a strong and decent reform of our ridiculous health system, everybody in the U.S. will have ten months or more to find out what is in it, and what the benefits are -- all in time for the next election. Ten months means the electorate will will be turning around emotionally two of three more times. Most people will be tuning-out the rightwing shrillness and be aware of its basis in lies. And they'll be concerned with some other, completely different issue. There is no downside for the Democrats on this, except maybe in extremely Republican districts.

Posted by: Lee_A_Arnold | August 31, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Dump this health care plan. Let some time elapse and then the parties can come back and talk about how to reduce health care costs, add more physicians and health professionals, set up government clinics for those without health services, and allow health care companies to offer plans nationwide instead of only within a state. This House health plan would not have taken effect until 2013 -- so why the rush into approving ill-thought out health care changes?

Posted by: snowflower | August 31, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

In my comment above, make that, "turning around emotionally two OR three more times." Because for most people strong emotion lasts about three months. After that, a sort of fatigue sets in. Observation of U.S. politics shows that people may end-up believing almost the exact opposite of what they did three months before. Polls can swing 10 or 20% in that time.

All the Democrats need to do? Pass the bill, explain and educate.

The Dems picked up seats in FDR's first midterm.

Posted by: Lee_A_Arnold | August 31, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Republicans like Enzi and Grassley just want more money for the greedy insurance industry.

Republicans and their teabagging friends are all phonies.

Posted by: kkord1 | August 31, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Lets not forget all the backroom healthcare industry deals Obama made. Obama wants to put out a pro-industry healthcare bill, but he needs political cover. Obama has been very quick to water down the bill and he's been using Republicans for cover (Obama for instance negotiated away single payer for no reason rather than starting at single payer and negotiating to the public option). The Republicans in the Finance Committee (who aren't exactly innocent of being corporatists either) know what is going on and how Obama is just using them as excuse to deliver to healthcare lobbyists, so they're not making it easy. If Obama can't use the Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee, he'll have a much harder time making excuses as to why he's making sweetheart lobbyists deals for Democrat-only legislation. It is a lot harder for Obama to blame the Blue Dogs particularly as he's defended the Blue Dogs and his Chief of Staff is responsible for many of the Blue Dogs being in office.

Posted by: SpanishInquisition | August 31, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Ezra, your riddle (and not political entertainment): what is it there for Baucus or Reid or even White House in not declaring that 'Gang of Six' is over? Why are they not making it official and make it clear that there will be pure Dem only approach going forward? Is it tactical? Or is it just logistical such that President to 'fire' the opening gun when the battle resumes after the Congress recess? What is going on?

To assume that Sen. Baucus still to believe in his approach is to assume either we Americans are stupid or Senator himself to be a fool of first order.

So what giveth?

Posted by: umesh409 | August 31, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"The fight" does not matter, vast expansion of the health care industry is inevitable now. I guess the industry is just too big to fight, both parties are bought.

Tom Daschle, are you kidding me? What's next Obama hiring Wall Street bankers to reform the financial industry?

Anyway, prepare to pay more and more money for health care, you have no choice.

Posted by: shrink2 | August 31, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

As of the 2008 election, both our US Senators are Democrats. I have called both of them and said it is time for the negotiation to be over--start voting in Finance Comm. no more than a week after they all return to DC.

That is what democracy is supposed to be all about--elected representatives get paid to cast votes and write legislation.

Once the Sen. Finance committee votes on a bill, the true negotiations can start on the final package. The members of House and Senate should be told that if there isn't a bill out of conference committee by Thanksgiving, they should have Thanksgiving and the holiday weekend off, but then get back to work. And no more of this "we don't have 60 votes" nonsense.

Someone wants to filibuster, go right ahead the old fashioned way. As I understand it, the Senate has cots for the use of members if there is a long night session.

Posted by: GHDEL | August 31, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

It also seems to me that Enzi & Grassley have no real reason to stick around. Every day they do, they get tormented by RWers, Culb for Growth, etc, and in the end their vote is going to be irrelevant, so why hang? Why not just book and declare the whole process a sham (as they no doubt will shortly)?

Posted by: slowpoke132 | August 31, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The left and an increasing number of centrist Democrats are simply furious and fed up with their party and their party's politicians.

Democrats in the House and Senate may not yet realize it, but what is at stake here is whether the Democratic Party is heading toward the same dodo "rump" status as the Republican Party, with fewer and fewer voters willing to identify themselves as anything but "Independent."

A party that cannot deliver critical, defining, promised legislation cannot command respect, allegiance, contributions, nor votes and boots on the ground on election days.

Posted by: washpost29 | August 31, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

As an engineer, I can tell you that there are no problem solving techniques being called out by our elected representatives, or in the bill(s) in question.

As a well read citizen, I wonder why the discrimination of costs have not been mentioned, only insurance (which is relevant only to high origination costs)

As a pragmatist, I wonder why Health Care is in the foreground while almost 9% of our brothers and sisters need work.

As a father, I wish I could ground oue elected leaders until they can act in our best interests.

Posted by: primegrop | August 31, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

plain and simple. Either party, will let the other do anything that will, make life better for a large percentage of the population, to let something like health care pass, would kill the republican party, and they will kill this bill, other wise it will kill them.

Posted by: dv1236 | August 31, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone I've spoken to in the Senate believes, strongly, that this process is about to break down, and the Democrats are going to move forward on a more partisan basis. Presumably, the Republicans in the Gang of Six process have heard the same and have no interest in looking like fools when that happens. "

I think you're putting the chicken before the egg, Ezra. The Republicans aren't attacking because the process might break down. The process is breaking down because the Republicans are attacking.

The Republican leadership knows the Democrats don't want to own this reform outright, and the Republicans are playing the long game. They are forcing the Democrats to move forward without bipartisan consensus. Anything not absolutely perfect with this reform will become Republican attack ads in every election for the next decade.

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 31, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The Gang is dead but doesn't seem to know it? Bury the SOB's and good riddance.

If nothing else comes out of this sorry mess, lets all push hard to have legislation introduced that takes away Congress and the Senate's healthcare benefits as long as other Americans are doing without.

States with referendum process should collect signitures to put a measure on the ballot requiring the state's representatives to introduce and then fight hard for a law revoking their benefits.

How long will we be without healthcare reform if it has to pass in order for our representatives to have any themselves?

Not long at all I bet.

Posted by: fredfawcett | August 31, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, lostinthe middle. That is to say, Republicans care nothing about our nation, or doing something about the fact we have the most expensive and worst health care in the first world, and that it's bleeding our productivity. If America goes downhill but they are in control, it's all good to them. They have played their base for suckers for almost 30 years now; if it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?

Posted by: NomoStew | August 31, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

The big money arrayed against real reform(Big pharma, insurers, AMA, medical device companies, etc.) knows that, by and large, Canadians, Brits, Japanese, French, Germans, Aussie, etc. LOVE their healthcare systems.
Their biggest fear is that a public option, 'medicare for all', or any other version of something not driven by the profit motive might catch on.
The strategy is either get nothing passed, pass something so 'bipartisan' to be meaningless, or pass a Democratic bill that has flaws so big that no one will want to 'reform' healthcare ever again.

Posted by: trblmkr1 | August 31, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Typical GOP behavior.
THE Party of anti-Roosevelt, anti-WPA recovery efforts, anti-workers, anti-social security with attempts to shift it's sources into the failed stock market, anti-dignified death for the brain dead, anti-family planning (except useless abstinence - which their leaders don't practice with their pick ups), anti-gay, anti- health reform, anti-tax equity for the wealthy; Pro-war for Oil and Cheney/Bush glory, with knowingly lying and throwing away 4,000+ troops, maiming tens of thousands more, destroying a nation that had done NOTHING to us, and killing some hundred thousands of its INNOCENT people, imposing torture, ignoring habeas corpus, ignoring national and international law, flaming far out dangerous groups who carry weapons to Town Halls, on and on and on.

Posted by: lufrank1 | August 31, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Have the Democrats stand up to the Republicans for something like health insurance reform? Not on all our lives!!!!

get real. you are talking about Democrats.

wake up folks. it's too late for these parties to stop the freefall, but the drama is fantastic, isn't it!

see how long before the Democrats give in to the Republicans for any and all things, at the altar of greed. get their share, too, just demurely.

it's been a pre-planned awfully bad scripted play. we know the ending, just get it over with.

Posted by: BernardEckholdt | August 31, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey LoonyLeft, please stop watching Glenn Beck and please, for the love of god, stop issuing absurdist manifestos.

Posted by: menaman | August 31, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The entire problem in this debate and in this nation as a whole is very simple. People no longer think, research or embark on anything on their own. Rather, they rely upon someone whom they do not know, but blindly trust, in order to formulate their opinions. Left or right, liberal or conservative, the lies and misrepresentation are rampant. The attempts to divulge only the slightest bits of information at a time in order to minimize opposition is also rampant, on both sides. So, our politicians badger Wall Street for lack of disclosure while they tell us only the bare minimum and bicker among themselves, knowing more about the issue than any citizen all the while. The fact is, prior to any conversation taking place on health care reform, there needs to be enaction on campaign finance reform and political conflict of interest disclosure. Until these politicians take responsibility for anything, on either side of the spectrum, I will not trust, listen nor support anything that they offer, speak to or attempt. The rest of you who type here and offer support or fiery opposition, you should realize that the devil is always in the details, and American politicians only offer details when they absolutely have to. That earns your trust? If so, the declining years of this nation have certainly begun.

Posted by: TheFreeMan | August 31, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

They'll slam this one faster than the bank bailout.

Posted by: BillMyers007 | August 31, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Right, well, hasn't the Senate always had these things called "committees" that work on legislation? Since when did six self-appointed people get to run the process in the Senate? The Senate just keeps getting more and more bizarre.

You know -- George Bush sort of started this whole trend toward making up processes outside the normal process. Overseas prisons, the Vice President running the show, all this ad hoc B.S. -- it's just bogus. Now this guy Grassley wants to call these "town meeting" circuses "democracy." No, democracy in America is you have elections and then the people you elected do their jobs. Let's stick to the script and do things the regular way.

Six people who represent maybe a million Americans each, all decided over drinks and Doritos that the public option is a non-starter. Well, Barack Obama got 52% of the votes of the whole country, and he says it's a starter. Three House of Representatives committees also say it's a starter. So let's start with it on the table, and let's hear a good reason why we shouldn't leave it on there.

Posted by: pressF1 | August 31, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans on the Finance Committee have negotiated dishonestly, while bragging to the folks back home that they are going to kill health care reform. Dems must dump the whole bipartisan effort, which at this stage does not exist anyway. It had no reliable foundation to begin with, as the GOP long since decided to be the party of NO, to extract what changes they could and then vote to absolutely against reform.

Posted by: peter777 | August 31, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

This "gang" should have never been born. Abortion this disgusting child - That what should have been done.

Posted by: impikk | August 31, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

To: All Responsible, Hard-Working, Tax-Paying American Citizens

It’s time to fight corporate corruption and to do what is best for America.

The insurance industry is trying to brainwash the American people.

We need competition (a public option) and strict guidelines to keep corporations honest.
Hasn’t enough been learned from sub-prime lending practices and greedy corporations?

As an American I:
• Don’t want to get rejected because of any previous condition
• Don’t want to be stuck in a dead-end job because I can’t afford to take a policy with me.
• Don’t want to lose my policy because I get sick or become unemployed or my employer goes out of business.
• Don’t want to be billed for ‘out of network’ services in hospitals and doctors offices.
• Don’t want to go bankrupt because of unaffordable medical bills.
• Don’t want to be denied coverage and have to spend hours and hours on the phone trying to get the insurance company to do what they are supposed to do, cover me. Or be denied because of some loop hole they have created or because if they stall long enough I may give up or die.

Insurance companies spend way more time lobbying and making it as difficult as possible for the supposedly insured to be covered because they make a much larger profit than spending time trying to help people.

Isn’t it better for the whole US economy if the health insurance industry has competition and strict guidelines.

Isn’t it time we have comprehensive health insurance like most other post-industrialized nations?

Posted by: Ellerville | August 31, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

The republicans are happy just to do nothing like they did having the congress for 6 of the last 8 years. There's one plan that congress is not talking about if they're serious about cutting costs, it's HR 676, single payer. It's the most cost effective bill and it covers everyone. The CBO has not done a study on it but at the state level studies show single payer beats all plans hands down, but it cuts out the congressman's sugar daddies, the insurance companies. Here's a example study:

October 2003: Missouri
Single Payer Would Save $1.3 billion in Missouri

Missouri Foundation for Health conducted a study on “health care expenditures and insurance in Missouri”.

A single payer health care plan in the state of Missouri would reduce overall spending by about $3 billion. “Assuming the universal health care plan adopted a benefit package typically found in the state, spending among the uninsured and underinsured would rise by nearly $1.3 billion when fully implemented. On the other hand, the use of a streamlined single claims and billing form (electronically billed) would reduce overall spending by about $3 billion. As a result health care spending would decline by approximately $1.7 billion.”

“Even if the state would adopt a more generous benefit package-one more generous than 75 percent of all private insurance benefits in the state-overall spending would decline. Overall health care spending would likely decline by $ 1.3 billion under the streamlined administrative structure.”
Source: ( “A Universal Health Care Plan for Missouri”, the full report can viewed at

Just 50x that and think of the savings. Support single payer medicare for all HR 676.

Posted by: spytheweb | August 31, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

What I find scary is that, in order to control us, corporations (aided by many politicians) have succeeded in scaring some and demoralizing others. This is how they maintain control over us and our government.

We sit back and accept the crumbs they choose to give us, while they reap the benefits of our labor. They divide us, slice and dice us, pitting one against the other and while we bicker over the nonsense, they do what's best for them. They own most of both sides of government, and we know this - we see reports about the lobbying money being poured into their campaign coffers daily.

Do any of you believe that money is to do what's best for the people over what's best for the corporation? If you do, you need to stop and think long and hard about it.

P. T. Barnum once said, "There's a sucker born every minute." And we are them.

Posted by: treetracker | August 31, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Looney says: The Goal: The removal from office of EACH AND EVERY loony-left d-crat socialist and the restoration of a fiscally responsible government that respects and represents the views of the American people and is based on American values.
You may want to dig up a Nov. 5, 2008 copy of the WaPo. I'm sure you'll find loads of election coverage, an election you apparently missed.

Posted by: klcscott | August 31, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

The taxpayers, both liberal and conservative, have been dragged into the weeds by the politicians and the TV talk show hosts debating health care as an issue of government run vs. insurance company run health care, as socialism vs. free market.
The truth is that an insurance company bureaucrat or a government bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor. We don't need government run health care nor do we need 10 or 100 insurance companies and 1,000 insurance company bureaucrats to collect premiums, pay bean counters multi-million dollar salaries, drain off 30% of your health care dollar just to duplicate costs, and drive costs of health care through the roof. Insurance companies don't compete. Health care is taxpayer driven. It is not market driven. Insurance companies can't be expected to lower costs because they exist to make as much money as they can off of your premiums and taxpayer subsidy, not lower costs. Even if you believe in a "public option", it has been demonized and is going off the table. What the Boomer generation and the elderly need, both liberal and conservative, is a single payer system. Not government run and not insurance company run but a PRIVATE SECTOR SINGLE PAYER SYSTEM. That takes away all the fears of government run health care. It takes away the price gouging by insurance companies and their huge campaign financing of Congress that compromises Congress' judgment. It's run by an independent, non-political commission that hires one company, the lowest bidder, to pay the health care bills for a fee, not to make decisions or to deny coverage. I have details if anyone is interested.

Posted by: jscope | September 1, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

I for one am tired of the "cutesy" names that these groups give themselves, with no substance or true purpose to move our country forward. Its gotten a lot of attention,and for some, has taken the focus off the true issue. Which is providing health care options for all Americans, from all walks of life. The way to truly move this country forward is to level the playing field when it comes to health care. Boy it sure would be nice to go to the dentist, get a physical examination, and perhaps an eye exam. At least when the new job presents itself, I can be presentable, and able to work.

Posted by: pinball825 | September 1, 2009 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, this circus is over. The Gang of Six was a waste of time. Why the WH tolerated the foul antics of Grassley and Enzi for so long -- and the ineptitude of Baucus -- is beyond me.

Posted by: Gatsby10 | September 1, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Funny- the same mentality that got us our BIGGEST ATTACK on out SOIL- 9/11

Will now tell us how to fix our Healthcare System?

This mentality?

The ones that IGNORED Al QAEDA?

THE ONES THAT knew about Al Qaeda and relied on the man with five deferments to keep us safe?

This crowd?

This is what we rely on?

This 'C' mentality?

Are you kidding me? Really?

WE were attacked on your GOP WATCH!

We should listen to you?

We were attacked with your mentality?

You people KNOW WHAT?

How we can get attacked?

BIGGER than 9-11?

Governor Sanford of SC emailed his mistress stating internet connection is unreliable at his farm.

The Do Nothings! Country First Congress!

Progress in telecommunications? Everyone laughed at Osama using his laptop in a cave!

All the GOP laughed as if this was absurd!

What is absurd - is the lack of education with Americans.

Wonder why we can’t compete globally?

Wonder why JAPAN offers the World’s fastest broadband and we do not?

4-3-09-By Saul Hansell

The fastest consumer broadband in the world is the 160-megabi¬t-per-seco¬nd service offered by J: Com, the largest cable company in Japan.

Do you think Osama is using the failed technology of America or the technology of Japan?

Do you think Al Qaeda does not see you and your party condoning the torture policy of America?

Do you think Al Qaeda is illiterate like your party’s nomination McCain when it comes to technology?

This is what we rely on to solve 18% of our Economy and our Health?

This mentality?

Posted by: sasha2008 | September 1, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

why would republicans sign on to health care reform when even democrats wont?

this whole firestorm about health care got started when the public found out its astronomical price tag and that they, surprise surprise, were going to have to pay for it. that's not going to change.

the in the end of august, which began with the senate finance committee bickering over a $100 billion here, $100 billion there, the administration admitted that we had $2 TRILLION more in debt than previously acknowleged. that is not going to change, or, if it does, it will change for the worse.

democrats WISH republicans were the thing standing in the way of health care reform. alas, their problems are much, much bigger than a weak minority party.

Posted by: dummypants | September 1, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

We have an illegitimate political system and an illegitimate government controlled by an elite political class of inherited wealth, corporate power, marxist intelligentsia, and the media propaganda machine. Lenin said that medicine is the keystone to socialism. We know that Obama is not very intelligent, but he did study his communist writings. More importantly, Rahm Emanuel is a student of both Marx and Machiavelli. Obama is his puppet. We need to split the country and allow the liberal fascists to relocate to their coastal urban enclaves, taking the US debt with them., while Free Americans control the remaining 95% of the land area, debt-free, and restore the Constitution.

Posted by: doctorfixit | September 1, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

How is it that Republicans can find money to spend on anything but the smallest part of the budget, social services. And then make it appear that its the straw which will break the country's financial back. Its simply not true. (The 2 fronted war we have been fighting since 2001 will bankrupt the country long before any social services will)

And second why is that the attacks on current health care reform consistently ignore the extreme care of private health insurance and its minimum return. Doesn't anyone remember that the only people who were able to take on Big Tobacco were the private insurance lobby? And if the government provided health care is so dangerous, then why are people fighting so hard to keep medicare, which is clearly a much appreciated and effective government service, which would not be compromised in any reform plan?

Please support health care reform, so that our families, our children, our parents, can receive medical care when they need it.

Posted by: kemperboyd2009 | September 1, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

It's not only dead, I question whether it was ever alive in the first place.

The Dems have been complete saps about this, and just let themselves get sucker punched in the name of "bipartisanship".

How could they let that happen? All of us out here could see they were just trying to delay health care reform until the recess, since they had all these attacks prepared. Grassley played a particularly treacherous role here, even joining in the the chorus that Obama was planning the exterminate Grandma.

That should be a lesson to them in the future. The Republicans only want to sabotage all of Obama's legislation, no matter what it is. They simply don't want any change at all.

Posted by: mcmchugh99 | September 1, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

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