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More explanations from Joe Lieberman that don't make sense

PH2009121600185.jpgJoe Lieberman did a bit more 'splaining on Tuesday to sync his opposition to Medicare buy-in with his, uh, support for Medicare buy-in. The support, Lieberman said, came "before the Finance committee came out with this very large -- and again, I'd say generous, but I support it -- system of subsidies, to bring, basically lower-middle income people into the health insurance system."

Brian Beutler, quite sensibly, asked, "Weren't those subsidies baked into the health care reform architecture long before that, with the HELP Committee bill?"

"Not to that extent," Lieberman replied.

For those keeping score at home, the HELP Committee's bill had a significantly larger and more generous subsidy scheme than did the Finance Committee bill.

Photo credit: AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais.

By Ezra Klein  |  December 16, 2009; 10:33 AM ET
Categories:  Health Reform  
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you can run, but you cant hide.

the gods come to meet you from the other direction.

Posted by: jkaren | December 16, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

there is going to be charcoal under many politician's christmas trees for 2009.

this year has a very long list....starting with both presidenetial campaigns.

Posted by: jkaren | December 16, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

It must be liberating to know that no matter what you say there is a thousand or more dolts who will cover your ass and run interference for you.

Lieberman has not come close to justifying any of his "positions" let alone how he is willing to torpedo reform because of a "redundancy".

Posted by: Msut1 | December 16, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

It's a vicious smear to point out that Lieberman spouts self-serving nonsense all the time.

Posted by: steveandshelley | December 16, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Mommy, make the bad man stop!

Posted by: adamiani | December 16, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Some should start a "Lieberman is a Flip Flopper" ad campaign.

Posted by: Msut1 | December 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I think back to this summer when Lieberman said we shouldn't try to cover more people during a recession, even though ever single plan being bandied about put off this action until 2013, meaning Lieberman either thinks the recession is going to last until 2013 or he didn't know the most vague details of the proposals.
He has been saying stupid things about health care for a ling time and no one had the nerve to call him on it until it was too late.

Posted by: flounder2 | December 16, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

urgent message to Klein, Yglesias, firedoglake, et. al: let up the attack on Joe. He's been beaten into submission! And guess what! Someone (R.E.) got the bright idea of closing Offutt base in Nebraska, putting thousands out of work, unless Nelson signs on. How cool is that? from: you know who, and big invite to follow guys.

Posted by: truck1 | December 16, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Someone (R.E.) got the bright idea of closing Offutt base in Nebraska, putting thousands out of work, unless Nelson signs on."

I don't know if that's true but if it is, it's the best news I've heard all day. You play hardball, prepare to get punched in the face. If Nebraskans don't want government intruding into their lives, then they are more than welcome to give up all those federal handouts they get.

Posted by: simpleton1 | December 16, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I have to give credit where credit is due and thank the several reporters that have asked Senator Lieberman these questions and then keep coming back at him when the answers he gives turn out to unmitigated crap.

I love your blog Mr. Klein and between you and Jonathan Cohn over at The Treatment I feel like I have a good grasp of the health care reform debate.

In addition I would like to thank both of you for talking me down from the ledge I was about to jump off of when the public option and Medicare buy-in were taken out. This is a good (not a great) bill and worth fighting for.

Posted by: TJSP1 | December 17, 2009 4:31 AM | Report abuse

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