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Posted at 12:04 PM ET, 12/ 7/2010

Remembering the good times

By Ezra Klein


One of the Bush administration's redeeming qualities was its insistence that the Republican Party needed a more realistic -- and humane -- policy on immigration than bigger fences and more deportation. It lost that battle when talk radio led a conservative revolt against the comprehensive immigration bill that the administration endorsed in 2007. But it hasn't lost the faith. Today, for instance, former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson has a terrific column on the DREAM Act, and what it means for the Republican Party:

Whatever its legislative fate, the Dream Act is effective at stripping away pretense. Opponents of this law don't want earned citizenship for any illegal immigrant -- even those personally guilty of no crime, even those who demonstrate their skills and character. The Dream Act would be a potent incentive for assimilation. But for some, assimilation clearly is not the goal. They have no intention of sharing the honor of citizenship with anyone called illegal -- even those who came as children, have grown up as neighbors and would be willing to give their lives in the nation's cause.

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By Ezra Klein  | December 7, 2010; 12:04 PM ET
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The real issue is liberals don't believe the citizenship franchise should mean anything anymore. That it's somehow mean and cruel to give citizens preferential treatment than those who are not citizens.

That's the whole arguement.

Posted by: WrongfulDeath | December 7, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

It's really not, but keep tilting at those windmills. I'm sure one of them is a giant monster for you to tear down. And it'll probably be easy, since it's made of straw. Mixed metaphor in your face!

Posted by: MosBen | December 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

MosBen has rebutted nothing. nada. He just makes attacks without discussion.

Perhaps MosBen could tell us why the push for the DREAM act by liberals that essentially gives citizenship rights to non-citizens and in some cases, even more than citizens such as in-state tuition for illegals that is not available to out-of-state citizens?

It's a fair question. Does citizenship mean anything anymore? Should it mean anything anymore?

Posted by: WrongfulDeath | December 7, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Why do the Democrats care, with all those illegals voting in California?

Posted by: krazen1211 | December 7, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Whatever its legislative fate, the Dream Act is effective at stripping away pretense. Opponents of this law don't want earned citizenship for any illegal immigrant -- even those personally guilty of no crime, even those who demonstrate their skills and character."

Yet in another article there was this. "Sessions ticked through a laundry list of concerns about the DREAM Act: The bill would provide green cards to illegal immigrants who have committed some misdemeanor crimes including drunken driving and document fraud..."

So which is it are these DREAM act candidates guilty of no trespass such as document fraud (identity theft - there are victims) and being in the country illegally, or are the sponsors simply ignoring facts and lying to dump more liberal garbage on the country? Saying that illegal aliens have broken no laws is pretty much the same as subscribing to the concept of immaculate conception. Obviously the sponsors don't believe their own words - otherwise there would be no need for excepting some illegal behavior.

Posted by: tnvret | December 7, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Every "Dreamer" will take the place of an American in college. There are an estimated 2.1 million of these Dreamers, not 65,000 as originally claimed.

Why do democrats hate American kids so much???

Posted by: fury60 | December 7, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Wrongful Death, of course my previous post doesn't prove anything. Of course your initial post simply baldly asserted your opinion of the motivations of others with no support whatsoever, so I didn't think further discussion was warranted.

And of course citizen ship means something, even if we permit illegal immigrants *some* limited rights. At the very least, citizenship is required to vote, which makes citizenship fairly important.

Posted by: MosBen | December 7, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If anybody wants to see the facts as opposed to just invective, go back to Ezra's post about this on Friday. I posted numerous times with facts and figures, not name-calling.

A quick summary, it will cost an illegal immigrant about $10,000-$11,000 total at an online diploma mill to get legal residency while they keep their regular jobs. Few will join the military because they won't need to.

Posted by: 54465446 | December 7, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Literally two days after the passage of "healthcare" "reform", all this agitation about citizenship and amnesty began. Why the push? It was always part of the plan to change the demographic of the electorate. The democrats believe, rightly or not, that the Hispanic vote is theirs. With McCain, the Republicans put forth a candidate as sympathetic to the aspirations of immigrants as possible. He got less of their vote than did Bush. The motivation behind the DREAM act is the same motivation as behind all other democratic initiatives -- to consolidate power forever. It is motivated neither by hatred of Americans already here (as some have asserted) nor by sympathy for those who would like to be here. It is entirely utilitarian, and is about greed for power.

Posted by: truck1 | December 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Gerson is incorrect; I would be willing to provide amnesty to a deserving Dream Act student, decided on a case by case basis, depending solely on whether we needed this person in our country or not. So, yes to a scientific researcher or talented engineer; no way in hell to a "Raza Studies" candidate, a polysci major, or a law student.

But no, no, no to blanket, mass amnesties: they will merely bring more foreign lawbreakers into the country, as has been proven many times before.

Posted by: MaryJessel | December 7, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

truck1 is correct.

It *is* all about greed and power. Power at any cost.

Posted by: WrongfulDeath | December 7, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse


Majority Senate Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois predicts the Dream act will come up for a vote this week. We cannot let Senator Reid and his demagogues lever this badly worded immigration bill in for a vote. With Senator Reid at the helm of his Liberal ship, he cannot be allowed to pass this law--as is? It will cause another Chain Migration avalanche of family members, who eventually will end up on the welfare rolls. This became predominant after first of sixth amnesties that began in 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli bill. There is absolutely no question that in the coming years, student family members will become a further economic encumbrance on the middle class once --Chain Migration--is underway. This nation cannot afford this monstrosity of a bill, in this fiscal period with America teetering on a 14 Trillion dollar edge of insolvency. This is not just about the US treasury, but almost every State the money reservoir are badly depleted from the illegal alien welfare programs.

California-the Sanctuary State—on the front line of illegal immigration has serious money problems.

Just because someone does not agree with the provisions of the Dream Act, does not mean they are a racist. When the Tea Party memberships were branded as racist, the illegal alien students lost their argument with American people. For over twenty years citizens and permanent residents have been paying for children of illegal alien parents in education through K-12, health care and a host of other welfare entitlements. This includes the babies intentionally born in this country, so the parents cannot be deported and able to collect food stamps, medical in the name of the baby. The average population grows from instant citizenship children of 300 thousand a year. Taking advantage of the badly interpreted 14th amendment, that gives instant citizenship to the infants of illegal alien mothers.

It seems the more the taxpayer gives, the more foreign trespassers demand. The Dream Act is another ideology born of Liberal progressives who seem to believe we as a nation have an obligation to support every impoverished person, who manages to slip through our borders either on foot, vehicle or by plane. As I have repeated before-there will be more taxes needed to pay for this back-door amnesty. Those taxpayers who have had enough, Scourge your Senators with your words and your Members of Congress to oppose the DREAM Act Amnesty -- 202-224-3121 NumbersUSA for details. NumbersUSA will inform you of the truth.

Illegal alien students are not exempt from joining the armed services in time of war. Once enlisted in the U.S. Armed Forces, under 8 USC § 1440, these illegal aliens can become naturalized citizens through expedited processing, often obtaining U.S. citizenship in six months? Every student or any foreign national has the option of being recruited for the military, without the need for passing the Dream Act.

Posted by: infinity555 | December 7, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Children are routinely impacted by the actions of their parents. Today I had drinks with an old friend whose dad did not make it off of Omaha Beach. He has seen pictures of his dad, and his mom and others told him about his dad, but he had no memory of his dad. People who came here illegally or overstayed their visas knew that they were breaking our immigration laws. If they brought their children with them, they also knew that their children were also guilty of breaking our immigration laws. One consequence of breaking our immigration laws is that you cannot become a citizen or enjoy many of the benefits of our society. They knew this then and they knew it now. Today, they want to say that we knowing broke your rules because it suited us and now we want you to change your rules because it suits us. This is morally wrong and we should not legalize any of those who came into this country illegally or overstayed their visas. It is simply morally wrong.

Posted by: jeffreed | December 7, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

This is terrible! We need more people's Help solving the crimes by studying criminal justice search the web for "United Forensic College"

Posted by: sveinyael | December 8, 2010 3:52 AM | Report abuse

A data point in support of WrongfulDeath's first point:

I've asked about a dozen people on Twitter variants of this question: "an illegal alien & his U.S. citizen *identical* twin apply for one (1) college spot. Who do you give it to?" You can see the results here (temporary link of course):

Not a one has said "citizen". Large segments of the Left and of the establishment (and no doubt of the right/libertarians) are in the same position: they have little loyalty to their fellow citizens. We need to do something about that before allowing them to scr*w Americans any more.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | December 8, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

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