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Posted at 8:22 PM ET, 03/ 9/2011

What happened in Wisconsin tonight

By Ezra Klein

Here's what just happened in Wisconsin: The rules of the state's Senate require a quorum for any measures that spend money. That's how the absence of the Senate's Democrats could stymie Gov. Scott Walker's proposed budget law -- it spent money, and thus it needed a quorum.

But in a surprise move earlier today, Wisconsin's Senate Republicans rewrote the bill and left out all the parts that spent money. Then they quickly convened and passed the new law, which included the provisions stripping most public-employee unions of their collective bargaining rights but excluding everything in the law that spent money.

What happens next? Expect the protests over the next few days to be ferocious. But unless a judge rules the move illegal -- and I don't know how to judge the likelihood of that -- Walker's proposed law will go forward. The question is whether Walker and the Republicans who voted for it will do the same.

Polls in Wisconsin clearly showed that Republicans had failed to persuade the public of their cause. Walker's numbers dropped, while Democrats and unions found themselves suddenly flush with volunteers, money and favorable media coverage. And they plan to take advantage of it: Eight Wisconsin Republicans have served for long enough to be vulnerable to a recall election next year, and Democrats have already begun gathering signatures. Now their efforts will accelerate. "We now put our total focus on recalling the eligible Republican senators who voted for this heinous bill," said Mike Tate, chairman of the Wisconsin Democratic Party. "And we also begin counting the days remaining before Scott Walker is himself eligible for recall."

By Ezra Klein  | March 9, 2011; 8:22 PM ET
Categories:  Unions  
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Funny thing, though, Ezra. Read the bill. They left a lot of the fiscal stuff in it.

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb/2011-13%20Budget/2011_03_09%20Modification%20to%20SS%20SB%2011_AB%2011.pdf

Posted by: dday212 | March 9, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

These people just wanted to kill the Unions all along!! There will be hell to pay! But I blame Democrats also, for being pissy with getting out to vote last November! This is how you cut off your nose to spite you face!!

Posted by: Angryman | March 9, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"What happened in Wisconsin tonight"

Its called WINNING
DUH!

Posted by: Straightline | March 9, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The elected majority won, the lawbreakers -- the Democrats who fled and the Democrats who espoused violence -- now face fines and other civil penalties, and multiple other states have now passed similar public labor stabilization statutes. Of course, those who failed will cry foul and will grouse, but that's expected.

The Historic Wisconsin Victory is truly a turning point in the struggle against the failed notions remaining from the Roosevelt and Johnson eras. It's too bad that the President adopted the loosing position: on the PPACA, on the federal budget, and now on the Wisconsin Electoral Sovereignty issue, the President has failed to garner public support. What will be the next defeat for the President and his allies? Will the arrogance subside?

Posted by: rmgregory | March 9, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Ha Ha Dems. It looks like you got your keisters handed to you tonight. Your Union thug bosses must be livid. The great Dem/Union money laundering machine is about to get shut down. No wonder you are screaming like stuck pigs.

Posted by: get_it_right | March 9, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

My understanding is that the quorum is needed not just for bills that "spend" money but for all bills with fiscal implications. Wasn't the premise of all of this for Walker that he had to break collective bargaining for fiscal reasons?

Sad day today, and just when I was so pleased that the Governor of Illinois signed into law a bill that bans the death penalty.

Posted by: JJenkins2 | March 9, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin is the first failed American state. Howard Dean should challenge Obama for the Presidency and drive him out of office.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 9, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"What happened in Wisconsin tonight"

Its called WINNING
DUH!

Posted by: Straightline | March 9, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

You know, it's just me, I'm sure, but I'll bet you didn't have the same attitude in November 2008.

I, yes, I forgot. Winning an election only counts if you're part of the annointed American Republican Party.

Apparently.

Join a conversation, sir, and stop criticizing every thing you don't like.

This has to stop.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 9, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

How'd they get this thing through again? Reconciliation?

Posted by: bigless55 | March 9, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

What just happened in Wisconsin was the that GOP assured that they'll endure a fiery hellstorm in 2012. One-term idiot Scott Walker just ended his career.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin is the first failed American state. Howard Dean should challenge Obama for the Presidency and drive him out of office.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 9, 2011 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Ezra, the recalls on the 8 Republican State Senators who meet the requirement for recall, are going ahead and the elections to replace them will be held as early as JUNE of this year. Walker's recall will have to wait until January, 2012 as a gov't. official has to be in office for a full year before he can be recalled in WI. The name-gathering process for his recall will start November 3 of this year.

Posted by: Benzmom3 | March 9, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Ezra-boy, elections have consequences. This was preordained since November, 2010, and the oversampled dems and union workers in the push-polls you cite had no effect on public opinion.

Wisconsin taxpayers get to celebrate tonight, as the public service union stranglehold on the Wisconsin treasury has finally been broken. Collective bargaining is not a 'right." Plundering of the treasury is not a "right."

At last, the fleabaggers' irresponsible, anti-democratic efforts to thwart the 2010 election results were righteously crushed. The people of Wisconsin and in all other citizens of states where public service unions are draining state treasuries of taxpayers' resources, earned a well-fought and well-deserved victory tonight.

Onward to 2012, to finish the job.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

People who can't tell the difference between Obama and the Republicans might want to show up for the next election.

Posted by: markfromark | March 9, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Walker is not going to be recalled. It will be four years before voters will have a referendum and if the state is fiscally solvent with higher employment it will be a moot point ... if it's not he'll pay the price ... that's politics ...

Posted by: cunn9305 | March 9, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Expect large sums of money to change hands from the Kock Brothers to one-term failure Scott Walker within the next few days.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

mr. rmgregory

either you are sitting on a bank account of more than seven figures, or you are truly an idiot. there is no third choice.

Posted by: jimfilyaw | March 9, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Even with all the union bullying and cowardly runaway WI lawmakers, the taxpayers finally win. It takes guts and grit to stand up to government unions and I salute Scott Walker for having the courage of his convictions. WI now has a chance to stay above water.

Posted by: Marnie42 | March 9, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Poor socialists. We have run out of other people's money to spend and now reality is hitting you in the face like a ton of bricks. This spectacle will be painful for you but hilarious and glorious for real Americans.

Posted by: get_it_right | March 9, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

.
This is something that should have happened weeks ago. Bravo.

Posted by: kitchendragon50 | March 9, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when you abandon your job responsibilities. If the babies had just come back and showed a bit more maturity, they might have caught on to this move and found a way to neutralize it, by, being there?! Watch the lame-o's try to spin this as yet another pure manipulation by the Republicans, and yet say nothing about the fact they were not in Madison!!!

I'm sure what the Republicans did was not a responsible move, but, at least they were there and acted. Something is probably better than nothing, and watch protestors get ugly and commit violence, that'll really gain lots of support from independent voters!!!

The dumb and the ignorant, now there is a soap opera!!!

Posted by: Joelhassfam4 | March 9, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

When did teachers in this country become a target of loathing?

Posted by: rogden71 | March 9, 2011 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin State Senate Majority Leader Fitzgerald released the following statement. It is brilliant and oh-so-satisfying…

“Before the election, the Democrats promised “adult leadership” in Madison. Then a month and a half into session, the Senate Democrats fled the state instead of doing their job.

“In doing so, they have tarnished the very institution of the Wisconsin state Senate. This is unacceptable.

“This afternoon, following a week and a half of line-by-line negotiation, Sen. Miller sent me a letter that offered three options: 1) keep collective bargaining as is with no changes, 2) take our counter-offer, which would keep collective bargaining as is with no changes, 3) or stop talking altogether.

“With that letter, I realized that we’re dealing with someone who is stalling indefinitely, and doesn’t have a plan or an intention to return. His idea of compromise is “give me everything I want,” and the only negotiating he’s doing is through the media.

“Enough is enough.” “The people of Wisconsin elected us to do a job. They elected us to stand up to the broken status quo, stop the constant expansion of government, balance the budget, create jobs and improve the economy. The longer the Democrats keep up this childish stunt, the longer the majority can’t act on our agenda.

“Tonight, the Senate will be passing the items in the budget repair bill that we can, with the 19 members who actually DO show up and do their jobs. Those items include the long-overdue reform of collective bargaining needed to help local governments absorb these budget cuts, and the 12 percent health care premium and 5 percent pension contribution.

“We have confirmed with the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the Legislative Council and the Legislative Reference Bureau that every item in tonight’s bill follows the letter of the law.

“The people of Wisconsin elected us to come to Madison and do a job. Just because the Senate Democrats won’t do theirs, doesn’t mean we won’t do ours.”

Posted by: KGC2 | March 9, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

And the left-wing socialist NPR chief was forced to resign today. Jeez, this is like Christmas in March!

Posted by: get_it_right | March 9, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Recall.

Posted by: frodot | March 9, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"What happened in Wisconsin tonight"

Its called WINNING
DUH!"


NO....it is called the usurping of democracy, freedom and respect for workers by an OUTLAW GOVERNOR.
OUR DEMOCRACY IS NOT FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER.
it will not stand for him to run roughshod over the american people.

i dont know how we will win against the outlaws that want to take away our hardwon freedoms, but we will.
we will ultimately win back our democracy.
we will keep our planned parenthood.
we will keep our collective bargaining rights.
the rich and the powerful will not take away the last vestiges of our democracy.
what happened today is a CRIME.
it should not be allowed to stand.
i dont believe that it will.

Posted by: jkaren | March 9, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin became a laughingstock today for much of the nation. Score one for the Extremists.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Republicans committed political suicide tonight, that's what happened.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Ezra Klein actually said the US Constitution has no binding power because it is over "100 years old and no body understands it anymore."

This moron actually said that on MSNBC. Hre it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPNe6-f4b-Y

Posted by: edgar_sousa | March 9, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

If you don't want to play the game - don't expect you get to make the rules.
For all the Dems that say this is so wrong - Remember ObamaCare and how the Dems closed the door on the Republicans so they didn't have the chance to vote.
Turn about is fair play.
Stinks to be you...........

Posted by: LarryinMD | March 9, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

This merely spotlights the truth of the adage,

"Sin in haste, repent at leisure".

Posted by: laboo | March 9, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

In one breath Republicans declare that government regulations are evil. In the next breath they they pass new regulations.

The difference? They regulations they're against protect citizens from corporate greed. The regulations they're for protect corporate greed and constrain citizens.

These Republicans can proudly proclaim their part in stripping yet another freedom from American citizens.

Posted by: Zarina1 | March 9, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Who was it that said "elections have consequences"? Yay, Republicans, for having the guts to take on these bloated public employee unions!

Posted by: hill_marty | March 9, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow . . . I wonder when the Kock's get their free powerplant. That's gotta be non-budgetary too. Hope these guys enjoy the next 16 months (or less). A lot of people really excited to be driven to the poorhouse posting here. Unless you're a Kock or on their gravy train, you just lost today.

Posted by: dmor | March 9, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Let me explain to Ezra in the words his idol, President Obama:

Elections have consequences.

If the Democrats had simply shown up, they could have negotiated better terms for the unions, but they chose to run away. Cowards.

If I was the governor, I'd these Democratic lawmakers as "missing presumed dead" and allow their spouses to remarry and give them a bill for estate taxes.

The spouses wouldn't fight it either.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | March 9, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

My family just stopped buying anything from Wisconsin.

Yes, that includes non-union companies.

That includes online companies.

That includes Wisconsin cheese.

Anything with WI is off the table. Not going to buy it.

Funny thing, I'm not a union member.

But you play with fire, you get burned.

Posted by: WillSeattle | March 9, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

“The people of Wisconsin elected us to come to Madison and do a job. Just because the Senate Democrats won’t do theirs, doesn’t mean we won’t do ours.”


the way that this was done by walker and his supporters and those that voted with them and the motivation behind it, shows that they have the integrity of a group of lawless and undemocratic thugs.

Posted by: jkaren | March 9, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The original bill allowed no-bid sale of public utilities to buyers selected by the governor, without review.

Is that still in?

Posted by: al75 | March 9, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The WI law only requires a quorum for spending or raising revenue. If all the revenue issues are taken out a simple majority of those present can pass the measure. I have no idea why the Governor waited so long to do this. He should have done it as soon as they left.

Now even if Senators lose a recall election this will still be the law and they would need to not only win the senate recall elections but also win the election to recall the Governor. Then they still would not get a bill out of the House to repeal it.

This entire exercise was dumb on the Democrats part. Did you really think they were going to stay away until 2012 when the next election is.

Posted by: bjeagle784 | March 9, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

There will be recalls. Dems and union pansies will rant about losing and they will lash out at senators who did their jobs.

The senators/fleabaggers who did not do their jobs will be recalled and flushed away.

Walker wins big, and the citizens WILL support him.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

This is a great victory for workers. No longer will they be forced to join a union and pay dues against their will.

Posted by: usr105 | March 9, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone has lost in this fight. I applaud Walker for trying to deal with the debt but this tactic was a bit heavy handed. Then again, when you have Dems who think that they are above the law and that elections only count when they're in power that is simply wrong. What's to stop Republicans from walking out when Dems come to power which will probably happen in the future at some point? Would there be the same level of outrage? This simply doesn't track for me with how a democracy is supposed to function.

Posted by: rigoman33 | March 9, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Suck it leftists.

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Hysterical Democrats....feel free to shut up.

1) You passed a health care law changing 1/6th of our economy, using budget-reconcilation rules designed simply to break impasses over simple and normally-recurring appropriation bills. Don't cry one word about the GOP senators in Wisconsin "ramming this through"....

2) Democrats have been wailing in public about how the GOP needed to compromise.....Walker tried, the emails released under an Freedom of Information Act request proved it, but it soon became evident union bosses would not let Democrat legislators do any sort of 'compromise'.

So this is what you get when you cry wolf about 'compromise', and then refuse to come to the table. I believe it was Ezra himself who titled a column this week something about "time to put up or shut up". Well, Democrats in Wisconsin wouldn't put up....so it's time for them to shut up.

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Winning! The cowardly Demoncrats finally understand and know what happens when the will of the people overcomes the minority Union interets. Wake up, Ezra. Your polls that you are clinging to our a joke. There will be no recalls. To quote Charlie: "See you losers [Unions/Democrats] in the rearview mirror."

Posted by: milsbest90 | March 9, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"My family just stopped buying anything from Wisconsin."

That probably was easier than you thought.

What were you buying from Wisconsin? Those Osh-Kosh's were probably made in China.

And you're probably too afraid to buy a Harley

And you wouldn't buy an Ariens snowblower since that involves a certain amount of work.

And heck, you think Milwaukee Beer is for the lower classes

I don't think Wisconsin will miss you.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | March 9, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone on here live in the Wisconsin area? I doubt it. Gov Walker did this same thing when in Milwaukee and was re-elected in land slide victories, he brought the budget back from insanity. Everyone I know in Wisconsin supports him and they are the silent majority, trust me, the state supports him. There will be no recall, they do not have the support for it, and now that this is done it will be out of the news soon and things will go back to normal. By the way, I live in Rockford where the Dem Senators "fled" to. They are staying at the Clocktower resort and are seen all over town in the pricier restaurants. Are they paying for their vacation? Of course not, they are Democrats, they just bill the tax payers. I can't wait until their bills are in the news. And by the way, we can't wait to throw our own Governorin Illinois out of office, raising the state income tax by 70% and not making any budget cuts whatsoever.

Posted by: gemsheba | March 9, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The children had a temper tantrum and ran away ... and they still did not get their way. It's like adults are now finally running the country or something ...

Posted by: HughJassPhD | March 9, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank you dday 212 for posting the link to the passed bill. There ARE fiscal measures contained in it and the republican move will be challenged in court. Contained within this bill, in addition to the decimation of collective bargaining, are the seeds of decimation of Medicaid in Wisconsin, which covers 1.2 million Wisconsin residents. This will not stand.

Posted by: Margareta1 | March 9, 2011 9:07 PM | Report abuse

It's hilarious to watch all the Republican stooges oblivious to the fact that they are on the wrong side of public opinion.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

And, gemshade I live in Wisconsin. This will not stand.

Posted by: Margareta1 | March 9, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Has Fidel Obama won ANYTHING since ACORN stole the election for him?

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

"One-term idiot Scott Walker just ended his career.
Posted by: ExConservative"

It just shows that Walker came to the capital to do a job that needed to be done.

Its called being an adult, something that most politicians aren't familiar with.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | March 9, 2011 9:11 PM | Report abuse

What happened is state Goverments, such as the one in WI are being "ruined" by a bunch of Fascist Dictators.

That is what's happening.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | March 9, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I love the way the lefties are all obsessed with Walker's poll numbers, but simply ignore Obama's tanking numbers.

Congratulations to Gov. Walker for his HUGE victory today. He's doing exactly what he was elected to do.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | March 9, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin has a long civic tradition. Talk about morons over reaching. This is not a talk radio/Fox audience. People in this state have brains and will not take this lying down.

The Koch shills will soon be working at the minimum wage jobs they love everyone else to have.

Recall

Posted by: treefrog2 | March 9, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Don't cry leftists, you still have NPR. Wait...

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

", in addition to the decimation of collective bargaining, are the seeds of decimation of Medicaid in Wisconsin"

Let me help you here a bit, because you seem like a nice lady.

"Decimation" means to reduce by 10%. I'd say the governor did a whole lot better than that.

What you've really learned to night is that self-reliance is an important trait in life. Those with it will prosper. Those without it will wander around saying "somebody take care of me".

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | March 9, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Scott Walker will move into a Koch Brothers job after his one term is over. Sorry Wisc. you just got scammed.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

A more accurate title for this article would have been, "Nazis Take Over Wisconsin." The Republican pond scum ought to be ashamed of themselves, but that will never happen with these power-hungry weasels.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | March 9, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

@ Marnie42 who wrote: "...the taxpayers finally win...WI now has a chance to stay above water."
____
Do you even know what was happening? The teachers and the unions had already agreed to the monetary part of the Governor's demands. That was not the issue and in reality their compensation packages cost much less than the tax break the Govenor gave to corporations to supposedly encourage them to create jobs. See how that works for you by this time next year when your kids are in over-crowded classrooms and there are no new jobs.

The unions BARGAIN. Those in power have to agree. You want to blame someone for the teacher's health insurance & retirment packages, then blame the people who agreed to the union's proposal. Taking away the rights of American citizens because you had crappy negotiators is NOT democracy.

What kind of American CHEERS when goverment strips them of freedom??!

Posted by: Zarina1 | March 9, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

What happened in Wisconsin tonight it called democracy, Ezra. The Republicans won big in 2010 and tonight they passed one piece of the agenda they ran on. No big surprise. You might say they broke the cowardly 14's fillibuster, one of your favorite topics, and passed a bill the majority of the Wisconsin legislature supported. Just like the Democrats rammed through Obamacare, Obamastimulus, ObamaFinReg, etc. the past two years with their big majorities. I guess the Republicans in Congress should of high tailed it out of town to keep the Democrats from getting a quorum.

Posted by: RobT1 | March 9, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The tsunami begins.

The era of public service union plundering of state treasuries has just ended. The foundation under Obama's union (taxpayer)-funded support system has just been undermined. At last citizens will be able to stop the laundering and diversion of taxpayers' money into the hands of anti-democratic, socialist statists who fund Obama's machine.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Recall, Recall, Recall!

Posted by: co8906 | March 9, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Who was it that said "elections have consequences"? Yay, Republicans, for having the guts to take on these bloated public employee unions!

Posted by: hill_marty | March 9, 2011 8:58 PM
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You mean the "bloated public employee unions" that educate your children, pick up your trash, keep your water clean, make sure your money is in the bank when you go to get it, put out that fire, or arrest the people disturbing the peace? Or is it the unions that got fat cat business owners to pay fair wages, institute safety measures so workers didn't risk their lives for pennies, ensure that kids went to school instead of work, and demanded a 5-day work week? You mean THOSE UNIONS?!?!?!?

Posted by: VoteOnlyDem | March 9, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats have already begun gathering signatures"...Didn't you mean the UNIONS have begun gathering signatures and driving recall efforts, using their copious coffers, fed by taxpayers? Seems to me that Democrats are the ones who have subverted the democratic process from the gitgo here. The 14 should have voted their conscience (or constituents) on the bill, then worked to regain the majority at the next election. At the end of the day, those screaming about collective bargaining "rights" and distorting the serious budget problems in Wisconsin may find themselves having to solve those budget problems anyway. And how will they do that? By raising taxes, of course.

Posted by: SavingGrace | March 9, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Recall.

Posted by: fluxgirl | March 9, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The gig is up leftists, your scams are crumbling around your ears..

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Tonight Union thugs are loading up on buses in Chicago. Obummer's brown shirts.

Tomorrow they show up as "outraged" citizens of Wisconsin. Alinsky p.276.
Guru for Barry and Hillary.

I thought Walker would turn into a wimp. But he came through.

Save the Republic. Down with the Democratic Thugs!

Posted by: beecheery | March 9, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Before the sudden votes, Democratic Sens. Bob Jauch said if Republicans "chose to ram this bill through in this fashion, it will be to their political peril. They're changing the rules. They will inflame a very frustrated public."


How ironic to hear this two years later. "Elections have consequences" (how arrogant, bullying even). You Dems should be proud of this moment! You defined this process two years ago.

Posted by: bschaper | March 9, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Bravo for Wisconsin!

The 14 AWOL Democrats deserve nothing but our contempt for their anti-democratic stunt in Illinois these past three weeks. Shameful.

If you do not like what you see tonight, try doing it the right way next time. You first need the votes and in order to get them you need to win an election.

Go ahead and run against Walker in 2014. Many of us here in Wisconsin are getting almost giddy at the prospect of seeing the Saul Alinski inspired Democrat's platform to restore union privileges.

Make our day...

Posted by: packard1 | March 9, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

GOP = Disgusting un-American freaks.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

jkaren:
"the way that this was done by walker and his supporters and those that voted with them and the motivation behind it, shows that they have the integrity of a group of lawless and undemocratic thugs."

I assume your reference point for calling the GOP senators in Wisconsin "thugs" is Obama and the Democrats in Congress, and the similar tactics they used to pass health care 'reform'?

At least Walker invited the cowardly Democrat senators who were living the high life across the state line in Illinois the opportunity to come to the table and compromise....and they were exposed as disingenious hypocrites when they refused.

Obama and Democrats extended no such courtesy to the GOP when they passed the one-sided PPACA with not a single GOP vote.

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey Leftists, how'd that Richard Trumka appearance work out for ya?

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

This is fantastic news for our children who have been at the mercy of the teachers union for far too long! Finally I have hope here in California! We need to reform public education and make sure our best teachers are teaching our children! We need to be able to fire teachers who retired in place years ago, teachers in "rubber rooms" and ineffective teachers who are protected by tenure. THERE is HOPE for our kids! Thank you Wisconsin!

Posted by: TiredofW8ting4Superman | March 9, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

the current republican party is almost uniformly without conscience.
when people like gingrich, huckabee, walker, bachmann, boehner, cantor, palin, brewer...become the intellectual firepower and social conscience of the republican party, it is a tragedy for all of us.
other countries are fighting for democracy....and we are losing ours, as the republican party chips, chips, chips away.
march 9th....a sorrowful day.

hardworking and freedom-loving americans wont soon forget this very sorrowful day, and the sham of justice that just took place in wisconsin.
a watershed moment.

Posted by: jkaren | March 9, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

We need to smash the conservative money and avarice machine that leads to the Gagas, Sheens, and Palins of the world.

Posted by: bs2004 | March 9, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The "recall" parrots are here in flocks.

There will be recalls of the democrats who failed to do their jobs. Kudos to the Republican-led senate for getting the job done.

Be prepared for more sore-loser silliness. Don't put up with it.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Suck on it and like it!

Posted by: gonatsgo1 | March 9, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

As a liberal I'm thrilled with this outcome. The Taliban fools that make up today's GOP just handed us 2012 on a silver platter. And any damage that one-term failure Scott Walker has done can always be undone in two years. Let there no be no doubt: the GOP wants to destroy the middle class

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

So... This move is linked to the budget deficit how?

Posted by: Goombay | March 9, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Recall the Democratic Senators who left their jobs in a snit.

What Babies! I can't have what I want! WAHH!

Posted by: beecheery | March 9, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse


Republican suicide pact

Posted by: jack824 | March 9, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

How will the democrat party survive without their money laundering front group?

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"This is fantastic news for our children who have been at the mercy of the teachers union for far too long! Finally I have hope here in California! "


you have no hope for this to happen in california.
forget that.
you'd best put your child in a private school.
we voted down fiorina and whitman....and you wont be seeing a wisconsin moment, any time soon in this state.

Posted by: jkaren | March 9, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

This was always the obvious circumvention of the Senate quorum rules that has been widely reported. Walker has been urged for weeks to follow this tactic, but he showed restraint. This reveals all the smelly hippie drum protesters into the silly, childish ranters that they were. A 60's time warp. Elections have consequences, as someone once said. The losers in the teachers' unions bet on the Democrats and lost. That's the way it works. They aren't feeling very smug now, are they? Priceless. God help the people who have to rely on these teachers. When I prepped in Wisconsin my Jesuit teachers took vows of poverty, chastity an obedience - all of which they kept you anti-Catholic low life bigots- and the public sector union so-called teachers aren't fit to shine their shoes.

Posted by: beachbum09 | March 9, 2011 9:24 PM | Report abuse

What's really great is that now a public employee can choose to join a union or not. If they change their mind about being in the union they can vote against them after a year. They also must volutarily take money out of their pockets and give it to the union. The government won't do it for them any more. The incestous relationship between public workers and the politicians that they helped elect is over. Ain't it grand.

Posted by: RobT1 | March 9, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

http://www.recallscottwalker.com/

http://scottwalkerwatch.com/?p=93

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Recall-Scott-Walker/140797569305051

http://www.change.org/petitions/recall-scott-walker#?opt_new=t&opt_fb=f

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

http://www.recallscottwalker.com/

http://scottwalkerwatch.com/?p=93

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Recall-Scott-Walker/140797569305051

http://www.change.org/petitions/recall-scott-walker#?opt_new=t&opt_fb=f

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Best way to make a statement, leave. Since there are no more union rights, no need for them to continue to work. Bring in the private sector, it's minimum wages all around.

Posted by: Falling4Ever | March 9, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

What happened in Wisconsin tonight -----

Was that the cowards who walked off THEIR JOBS got it handed to them. Agree or disagree with an issue, the way you work through the legislative process is with hearings, debate, compromise, discourse and voting.

Picking up you childish ball and going home isn't the answer, or what you were elected to to do.

WE WON!

Posted by: gonatsgo1 | March 9, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

It's apparent that the Right-Wing believes that all of their Corporate Funding and Fascist leadership tactics is going to win them the next Election in 2012.

Somebody better run and tell the Republican Party that all of the money in the world is not going to stop the people from voting and kicking their "azes" out of office.

No amount of money in the world is going to save them from attacking the rights of the people.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | March 9, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The sentence "Eight Wisconsin Republicans have served for long enough to be vulnerable to a recall election next year" should read "...THIS year". As soon as the petitions are gathered, some time in the next sixty days, the clock starts ticking on a recall election, essentially within six weeks. So quite possibly some time in June 2011.

Posted by: lakefxdan | March 9, 2011 9:29 PM | Report abuse

First, I am a tax- payer. Second, I vote. Third, I'm a teacher. I teach young minds to respect our nation founded by the people, For the people....we are supposed to be participating in a democracy. Yet what we seem to be experiencing anymore is a bunch of "lawmakers" who have not been given a really true referendum acting like spoiled, out-of control, teenagers drunk on "power and the gift of bully" slamming doors and looking out for only their own future financial welfare. (i.e. Republicans with deep pocket relationships with corporations and rich interests.)
Funny how some of you post that the "tax payees have spoken". When does this tax payer get representation and Democracy? When do I get a living wage, free speech and respect? I've been watching from Fl. where our Giv. is poised to do the same. I'm sure I am dine spending my vacation money in Wisconsin or buying anything from there.

Posted by: Dulcejazz | March 9, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

A law in Wisconsin can be passed by only ONE chamber of the legislation? That's strange.

Posted by: Paaa | March 9, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

They didn't follow the rules and used a conference committee bill ..illegally...kiss the rules of the republic goodbye ....the aristocracy rules and we are headed for an oligarchy....Karl Rove and the Koch's paid for this....hope you dummies will be happy cleaning their toilets.

Posted by: jfristriut | March 9, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

http://www.recallscottwalker.com/

http://scottwalkerwatch.com/?p=93

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Recall-Scott-Walker/140797569305051

http://www.change.org/petitions/recall-scott-walker#?opt_new=t&opt_fb=f

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

@gemsheba

Before he was elected Governor last fall Walker served as Milwaukee County Executive. While in that position Walker attempted to fire union security guards and replace them with private contractors from a firm in the United Kingdom called G4S Wackenhut. The County Board then overrode Walker’s decision, but he went ahead with the move anyway under justification of a budget “emergency.”
Later, an independent arbitrator determined that no real “emergency” existed in the country, and ordered the reinstatement of the union security guards who were fired.

In addition to overstating the 'savings' his move should make --the unlawful dismissal ended up costing some $500.000 for Milwaukee. No savings.

The rest of the budget crises, that Walker cited, have, by now, been all proven to be non-sense and misleading.

So, seen that you do live there, you should know all this. Right?

Posted by: JyriSulin | March 9, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that republicans care about deficits only when Democrats are in office?

Posted by: timmcnish | March 9, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Have the democrats returned with their tails between their legs yet? How'd that work out for you damn fools?

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Behold the "Shock Doctrine" playing out before our eyes.

Posted by: Patrick_M | March 9, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

By the way petetions are being circulated to recall some of the cowardly 14.

Posted by: RobT1 | March 9, 2011 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"This is a great victory for workers. No longer will they be forced to join a union and pay dues against their will."

Ever heard of PACs? As a banking employee, I am FORCED to contribute a chunk of my paycheck every pay period to a PAC which is then used to LOBBY for what BIG BUSINESS wants (and is apparently getting) or to elect politicians I personally abhore.

Believe me, if you decline to participate in the PAC, you get a bad performance review or you get fired. If you don't give "enough", then your job may be eliminated. No, they would never give the real reason for your dismissal, but they are going to get 100% PAC participation over your dead body.

I would love to belong to a union to fight the Banksters and oligarchs that now run our country.

But, I'm too scared for my personal survival to take a stand against the bad guys. And, more bad guys (funded by the Koch brothers) won in Wisconsin tonight.

From a worker forced to join a PAC

Posted by: GlobalNomad | March 9, 2011 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Good lord. These Republicans are truly evil.

Posted by: IndieOne | March 9, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Taxpayers win. Union thugs lose.

This is the beginning of a happy ending. When Ohio, Indiana, and other states throw off the stranglehold of public service union thugs, and when Obama's money laundering and voter fraud machine is smashed to bits, all taxpayers can share the happy ending.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

RECALL!

Posted by: maritza1 | March 9, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

It's important to note that when so many of the comments appear to be pro-Walker, pro-Koch brothers, and anti-union, despite public opinion being precisely the opposite, some of those comments are from paid PR shills. See this post from Think Progress about one of the many PR firms the Koch Brothers (and other rightwing organizations) hire to post just such messages on blogs, news site, and Wikipedia:

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/09/koch-wikipedia-sock-puppet/

SNIPPET:
>>After administrators flagged the MBMAdmirer account as a “sock puppet” — one of many fake accounts used to manipulate new media sites — a subsequent sock puppet investigation found that MBMAdmirer is connected to a number of dummy accounts and ones owned by NMS employees like Jeff Taylor. <<

Posted by: george_penwick | March 9, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

As a taxpayer I'm wearing a big grin tonight. Bravo to Scott Walker and the Wisconsin Republicans for breaking the back of the thug Unions that are bleeding our economy dry.

Posted by: get_it_right | March 9, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

People will finally realize the Republicans are out to take all rights away from workers.

Posted by: Hunt458 | March 9, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

NPR was going to cover this, but there's no one left..

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Do any of you rightists work for a living? If you do, then you lost today. You support a party that gave away the store to provide tax cuts for their richie rich pals, then attempted to balance the budget on the backs of teachers, firemen, police officers and highway workers. Yeah, like that dental plan state workers enjoy broke the bank! Congrats to the GOP for convincing their own people to support policies clearly against their best interests. You people should wake up and smell what your shoveling. Keep overreaching and that a$$whiping you all suffered at the polls in 2008 will seem like steak night at the country club.

Posted by: rcupps | March 9, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

VoteOnlyDem:

Yes, those unions. The ones who make superintendents fire good teachers in preference for keeping bad ones due to arcane tenure rules. The same unions who redirect 95% of coerced union dues to Democrat politicians, in spite of the fact that nearly half of the members fleeced for said dues vote Republican. The same unions who have lost jobs for vast swathes of their membership in the Rust Belt by refusing to work with businesses when economic hard times came, and left businesses with little choice but to lay-off workers and move production to non-union facilities in other states.

Actually, survey most conservative households and you will find plenty of love for union WORKERS, but not union LEADERS.

And that's what this legislation was about. It was about taking back the balance of power that had shifted too far to the six-figure salaried union bosses and the incestous relationship they shared with the Democrat politicians they helped prop up in office, and who happened to be the same 'managers' that negotiated for the taxpayers the lopsided contracts that have led to public workers in many states now enjoying a higher wages than those in similar jobs in the private sector.

Yes, THOSE unions.

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

This is stealing workers' right!

Posted by: raihanshafiq | March 9, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I love the stupidity of Democrats. They are trying to recall Republicans who were elected by embracing a platform of reforming government and reigning in contracts to government workers that threaten to bankrupt the state. In other words, they are doing their jobs as elected representatives of the people.

Democrats: stuck on stupid.

Posted by: theduke89 | March 9, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Fidel "On the Waterfront" Obama is toast. Bring on 2012!

Posted by: wewinyoulose1 | March 9, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Well Dems, it looks like your stunningly immature antics didn't work. What next, will you hold your breath until you turn blue? Will you pout for an extended period of time? Are you going to be OK from a psychological standpoint? Do we need to bring in counselors?

Posted by: get_it_right | March 9, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

http://www.recallscottwalker.com/

http://scottwalkerwatch.com/?p=93

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Recall-Scott-Walker/140797569305051

http://www.change.org/petitions/recall-scott-walker#?opt_new=t&opt_fb=f

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

For weeks Republicans insisted this bill was all about state finances.

But this move shows it was not. So, once again, Republicans have shown that their core value is dishonesty.

This bill was not about finances, because if it was the bill could not have passed.

Posted by: colonelpanic | March 9, 2011 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Want to know why America is in dumps? Unions. People need to pick up their paycheck and zip their trap. I don't get to negotiate my pay, I don't have a pension. They shouldn't get one either.

Worker's rights??? No one has a right to a job. God Bless Walker.

ahhhh, I got a shave my balls, be right back.

Posted by: yarbrougharts | March 9, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

What just happened in WI is that the Dem strategy to deny, delay and defend just blew up in their faces. The Republicans found a way perfectly legal way to pass the legislation without them. There was a detailed article in National Review a week and a half ago outlining exactly this strategy. The fact that it took WI Republicans this long to actually do it after the piece in National Review speaks to just how dim-witted they are.

What also happened is that the clock started ticking for the 48% of WI voters who opposed limits on collective bargaining rights. Once this legislation is passed, those voters will take note of two very critical points. First, that in spite of all the rhetoric a limit on collective bargaining rights did not stop the world from spinning on its axis. Second, they will figure out that unions exist to only marginally advance the interests of its members, and instead exist primarily to advance the interests of Union execs and the politicians who feed at the trough of union dues.

I've been member of two unions during my life-time. The Cable Workers of America (the phone company) and the Teachers Union. Membership and union dues were complusory as a condition of employment in both cases. Both sought to soak as much as they possibly could out of my employer, enabling them to then collect as much as they possibly could in union dues.

When the 48% of WI voters who still haven't figured it out start to realize the that the taxes they pay are going to line the pockets of union execs and corrupt politicians and that the sun keeps coming up every day, they'll applaud today's move.

Posted by: mongoose1 | March 9, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

rcupps:
"You support a party that gave away the store to provide tax cuts for their richie rich pals..."

Actually, Richie Rich (or, more correctly, his dad) created a LOT of jobs. See, that's what business owners do. Government does not...in fact, cannot....create value-adding jobs to the economy.

Feel free to mix in an economics class some time, and you will learn that the 'rich' people you so quickly demonize are the ones who keep most of us employed and enjoying a non-dependent-on-government lifestyle.

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Waaaaaaaa.

Hardly a surprise move at all Ezra. It's been discussed for 3 weeks.

Posted by: krazen1211 | March 9, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"Why is it that republicans care about deficits only when Democrats are in office?"

Posted by: timmcnish | March 9, 2011 9:31 PM

Why is it that Democrats care about deficits only when they are out of office?

Posted by: theduke89 | March 9, 2011 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"The incestous relationship between public workers and the politicians that they helped elect is over. Ain't it grand."

Let's get rid of the incestuous relationship between PACS and elected officials. In many companies, workers are forced to give $$$ every pay check to PACS, which then lobby for business interests and help elect politicians that will support business interests.

KILL THE PACS.

Now, THAT would be grand!

Posted by: GlobalNomad | March 9, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

WALKER FOR PRESIDENT.

Let him clean the SEIU union scum out of the federal government.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Why is it that republicans care about deficits only when Democrats are in office?"

Posted by: timmcnish | March 9, 2011 9:31 PM

Why is it that Democrats care about deficits only when they are out of office?

Short answer: they have too many people to pay off when they are in office.

Posted by: theduke89 | March 9, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Republicans vs. The Middle Class

Let's get it on.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Straightline:

Its called WINNING

DUH!

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How interesting that you quoted someone whose concept of "winning" is based on completely delusional thinking.

Posted by: IndieOne | March 9, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"What happened in Wisconsin tonight"

Its called WINNING
DUH!"

Yes, fine. He won today. Just like Charlie Sheen is WINNING.

Walker has sealed his fate. What an idiot! What a poor leader! A true leader finds ways to bring people together. What a rediculous political move to stake your claim on such a divisive issue. I can't imagine anyone but Walker himself and maybe a handful his teabag donors are really proud of what they have accomplished here tonight.

So yes he WON tonight, but bigger picture he has done more to inspire the democratic base than anyone since Bill Clinton. This is not just Wisconsin. People are paying attention to this nationwide as a result of the Dems political decision to boycot this vote (yes, of course, their intent was always to raise awareness of the issue). Walker has just reminded another generation of Wisconsinites (Wisconsiners?) why WI is a BLUE state.

Posted by: calbull92 | March 9, 2011 9:47 PM | Report abuse

george_penwick:
"It's important to note that when so many of the comments appear to be pro-Walker, pro-Koch brothers, and anti-union, despite public opinion being precisely the opposite, some of those comments are from paid PR shills."

You mean I've been posting all these facts exposing the fallacies of progressive ideology and left-wing hysteria for free, when I could have been getting paid?!!

Dang it.....please post the link of where I can sign up to get paid for what I gladly do for free immediately!

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The interesting thing will be, when this law goes into effect, the number of state workers who stay in the union.

Posted by: Marin823 | March 9, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, ExCon. It's unions against the taxpayers. Taxpayers won round one. And, they will win every time. Get used to it and get over it.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

OK. There will come a time when the Legislature has the votes to put collective bargaining back in.

Posted by: James10 | March 9, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm in agreement with Global Nomad, in fact, how about we eliminate the ability for corporations to donate to politicians... oh wait, the mostly republican annoited supreme court allows that...hmmm wonder who that benefits...

and in regard to those "union thugs" in wisconsin, aren't they voters as well? Have americans really stooped so low that they cheer at removing other's rights from them? And who would want to be a teacher after this? Do the politicians have the interests of Wisconsin's children at heart?

No, cause then they might actually realize that all they are doing is shooting themselves in their own feet. Who would want to teach in Wisconsin when you don't have collective bargaining rights? After all, the other states that don't have bargaining rights for their teachers include the STELLAR Texas, Lousiana, Missouri, and Virginia school systems - Respectively ranked dead LAST in the nation in terms of student achievement and success...

Welcome to the club Wisconsin.

Posted by: Rufusgoofus | March 9, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, ExCon. It's unions against the taxpayers. Taxpayers won round one. And, they will win every time. Get used to it and get over it.

Posted by: ecartr5

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When will ignorant people such as your self get it through your heads that union workers pay taxes too.

Do you think they are "exempt" from paying taxes, Nimwit.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | March 9, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

what these liberal hacks fail to mention is that the ex-gov, a dem, agrees with walker. the union refused to negotiate for two years and now that their gig is up, they cry foul. now impeach the dems that left the state!

Posted by: jimsr121 | March 9, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

calbull92:
"Walker has sealed his fate. What an idiot! What a poor leader! A true leader finds ways to bring people together."

Wow, I can only imagine how poorly you must think of Obama then.

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Go Wisconsin! Stick it to the government leeches! Government unions are just a money-laundering operation for the Democrats. It's time they paid their fair share.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | March 9, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I love it. Now maybe the taxpayers can get a break from union thugs and their fat pensions, "cadillac" health care plans, overly generous sick days, etc. Now you will have to live and work in the real world with the rest of us.

Posted by: get_it_right | March 9, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"The unions BARGAIN. Those in power have to agree. You want to blame someone for the teacher's health insurance & retirment packages, then blame the people who agreed to the union's proposal. "

They did that when they voted those Democrats out!

Posted by: krazen1211 | March 9, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Republican over-reach: just as much a certainty as death and taxes. And like these last two, it won't be cost-free.

Posted by: jwrb | March 9, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

In fact, the people who should be paying the MOST taxes are the ones who are probably in Unions. Why? because the big bad corporations get their little tax exempt loopholes put in for them. AND then their pet politicians whine and say there is no money for anything that helps the common people, instead of the corporations. If only they actually taxed corporations at the normal level, instead of letting them get away with highway robbery...

Posted by: Rufusgoofus | March 9, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

As a liberal, I think this is a turn for the good for the long run. Sure the governor and the republicans went too far. But with the unions always negotiating as if they were entitled to better pay and benefits year after year for the same work, maybe now they'll negotiate with more realistic expectations.

Why do the unions base so much on seniority? Why do they think they deserve a raise, other than cost of living, if they are doing the same job year after year without additional responsibilities? Why do the unions continuously defend less productive members? Oops, I forgot, ninety-some odd percent of union members are above average.

Posted by: shhhhh | March 9, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Recall, that's all. Ignore the fools, trolls and plutocrats and DONATE: Google ActBlue.

Posted by: Edoc | March 9, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but if you are not in the game you can't play. The Dem's left (i.e took the ball because they didn't like how the game was going) - it is their fault plain and simple. Their attempts to up-end democracy should not be tollerated.

Posted by: Lynne51 | March 9, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Huey, the Kingfish, Long of Louisana fame and the first Fascist governor of a state in this country is alive and well in Wisconsin. This is one of the saddest days in America since the War Between the States.

Posted by: diamond2 | March 9, 2011 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmmmmmm.......

Sounds like Wisconsin will have plenty of money now for GOP corporate backers. That is the way it is when you lose the election.

Pity the ordinary citizens can't win either way.

Much like the rest of us.

Posted by: Over-n-Out | March 9, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

dbw1 - Obama may have sealed his fate as well. We'll see, but Walker and the GOP in general are sure doing their darndest to remind people why he was elected in the first place.

Posted by: calbull92 | March 9, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

The Federal Budget battle just became a lot nastier.

Right or wrong, Wisconsin became a national issue. This tactic in Wisconsin sets the stage for "no compromise" politics.

I don't think you'll find a Democrat in the US Senate right now who is in the mood to reach out and find common ground. Right now that ground is scorched earth.

Posted by: colonelpanic | March 9, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

@ dbw1: "...You mean I've been posting all these facts exposing the fallacies of progressive ideology and left-wing hysteria for free, when I could have been getting paid?!!"

You could probably be paid several times over, if you're not already, what with posting under different names. You're a regular crowd all on your own.

Posted by: Zarina1 | March 9, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

When will ignorant people such as your self get it through your heads that union workers pay taxes too.

Do you think they are "exempt" from paying taxes, Nimwit.

Posted by: lcarter0311
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You are off point. Taxpayers include union workers, but they vastly outnumber union workers. Most taxpayers don't like the idea of public service unions draining the state treasury. That's why Walker was elected. It seems that you are the ignorant one, who forgets the obvious fact that Walker won the 2010 election because of the union-caused budget deficit.

Give it up. I am better educated and better informed than you are (by far).

Walker won. You lost. Get over it.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ezra!


I'll tell you what happened in Wisconsin tonight! Democracy won! The Democrats fled Democracy, and they got it shoved down their throats!


Well, I guess if Democrats want to participate in participatory government, they can go back and participate now.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | March 9, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

The first steps have been taken to get control of spending at the state level. A lot of work remains at the federal level.

Once we get public employee greed in check, we'll have to demand cuts in the outrageous salaries and benefits awarded to the Wall Street types and executives of corporations. It is obvious that their outrageous compensation is not based on performance or at-risk capital, only on their ability to control the boards of directors at the expense of investors.

Posted by: magellan1 | March 9, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

GlobalNomad:
"In many companies, workers are forced to give $$$ every pay check to PACS, which then lobby for business interests... "

Please, do share who some of these 'many companies' are. I've worked in the private sector for several large corporations over a period of a couple decades, and not once have I ever heard of this happening.

The only places I know of where workers are routinely fleeced for involuntary 'donations' (read: dues) that are redirected to the coffers of politicians and lobbyists who work in direct opposition to many of those workers values is within the labor union world.

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Walker's assertion that taking away collective bargaining rights was needed for fiscal reasons? Now it's not spending-related? Lying, hypocritical piece of dirt.

Posted by: KingMax | March 9, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin wanders from reform and insight a la Bob LaFollette to the nincompoop bullying of the current mini-minority governor. One third of eligible voters went to the polls. He got 17% of the total of all eligible voters (51% of those who did bother--mostly tea sad-sacks)and acts as though he has a mandate from his bosses to make the middle class move down a notch. Simple to remove this miscreant: Go to the polls and send him home. Meanwhile enjoy watching the antics of a foolish man.

Posted by: jstrolle | March 9, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of the shooting of Kent State students in Ohio......

Posted by: jfristriut | March 9, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

This action really sucks.

Posted by: Dpete1 | March 9, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

colonelpanic:
"This tactic in Wisconsin sets the stage for "no compromise" politics."

You appear to be about two years late to the party. It was Obama and the Democrats in how they handled health care 'reform' that set the stage for no-compromise politics.

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

What happen tonight in Wisconsin was an abuse of power, but the people of Wisconsin have no one to blame but themselves for voting in the Republicans. Every word out of their mouths was a lie
( as it was during the Bush administration) and now you have to suffer the consequences. I hope the people of Wisconsin and the people in the other states that are facing the same problems are able to recall these idiots who only care about the rich and powerful.

Posted by: collegebound1 | March 9, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Typical Republican fascism....so where are the students? If you are not out in the streets for the next couple months...you don't deserve the excellent education offered by the University of Wisconsin. When people my age were in college, we spent an entire semester marching against the Vietnam War....this is your war---the Republican war on little people

Posted by: CalifObserver | March 9, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Buy American. Boycott Wisconsin products- they are now made by serfs.

Posted by: LeeH1 | March 9, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

We just had a local city commission election. Projections are that the city will spend 34% of its revenue on pensions and benefits for people who no longer work for the city. The unfunded mandate is frightening. Yet in our election, the candidates who received financial contributions from the public sector unions all were opposed to a plan the prior commission spent a year on to increase public employee contributions to their pensions and try to maintain some solvency in the pension funds. This is a perfect example of the corrupt system that has engorged the public sector workers at the expense of real working people who pay the costs of the largess of paid off public officials. I would like to hear all you public sector union supporters tell me how this is right, moral , uncorrupted or fair.

Posted by: beachbum09 | March 9, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

collegebound: I think it's an abuse of power when a government tells me that to work for the government I have to join the union and I have to pay dues to that union even though that union does nothing but support and give money to politicians that have different values than me. Now, that's an abuse of power. Giving me the freedom to join or not join the union, how is that an abuse of power?

Posted by: Marin823 | March 9, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

In fact, the people who should be paying the MOST taxes are the ones who are probably in Unions. Why? because the big bad corporations get their little tax exempt loopholes put in for them. AND then their pet politicians whine and say there is no money for anything that helps the common people, instead of the corporations. If only they actually taxed corporations at the normal level, instead of letting them get away with highway robbery...

Posted by: Rufusgoofus
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Your emotions are in overdrive again. You have no figures to back up your assertions about tax payments from union members. Your comments about corporations and taxes are just plain nonsense.

Corporations don't really pay taxes, since they pass their tax costs through to customers through prices of goods and services. Higher corporate taxes means higher prices for you, me and all other consumers of their goods and services. Higher prices for US corporation goods and services makes foreign goods and services more affordable for you, me and others. Higher taxes make corporations less competitive in the world market. Higher taxes and costly regulations put corporations out of business or send them to other countries that are more business-friendly.

When you and others cry about corporates not paying their "fair share" of taxes (whatever the heck that's supposed to mean) you really don't understand the negative economic effects of over taxing corporations. There should be NO corporate taxes. When their goods and services are cheaper, we can buy more and the government will (counterintuitively) collect more taxes because of the velocity of money (cash turnover). The best way to increase tax revenues is to lower tax rates and allow corporations to charge less for more goods and services.

You really should learn something about economics. Maybe your education and 2-year experience as a teacher didn't expose you to the dismal "science."

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The people who think that the demise of unions is a good thing, understand you will be next in the mouth of the "dragon", as American moves closer towards a corporate dictatorship! This is no different than those white supremacists who worship Hitler, but too dumb to understand that Hitler would never have antyhing to do with them!

Posted by: D-0f-G | March 9, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Re: "collective bargaining rights"

How are these bargaining rights not connected to money or the budget (in Wisconsin)? I thought that was the whole reason to end collective bargaining there, so that the budget could be repaired -- am I missing something ... I feel retarded???

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

@ ecartr5: "Most taxpayers don't like the idea of public service unions draining the state treasury...."
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Not according to a Pew survey: http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1910/poll-wisconsin-unions-favored-governor-scott-walker-president-obama-gop-leadership-government-shutdown

Besides, if unions are so evil, then why didn't Walker strip the police & firefighters unions of their rights?? It couldn't possibly be because they backed him in the election...

Posted by: Zarina1 | March 9, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

jfristriut:
"Reminds me of the shooting of Kent State students in Ohio."

A vote changing the bargaining rules for a sliver of the population reminds you of students being shot to death?

At least we can count on leftists to be level-headed about putting things in perspective, can't we?

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

If some folks don't like it, they can thank their representatives, runaway democratic leaders... Pathetic!

Posted by: jmk55 | March 9, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

The last time Wisconsin sent a white trash right wing pseudo-fascist into power it was Joe McCarthy. When the "Lord finally called him home" Wisconsin voters learned their lesson and never again vote a Republican in his seat for over 50 years. The same will be true for Walker. This move was NOT supported by Wisconsin voters, as just about every poll has shown. He was NOT sent to Madison to do this, as there was NO reference to ending collective bargaining rights for benefits in his campaign. The Republican Senators WILL be recalled, as will be Scott Walker. This move may work in Texas or some other corrupt petro-crat dump. But in Wisconsin, home of Battling Bob LaFollette, this will backfire.

The only silver lining here is that Walker's extremism has finally reawakened Democrats from their stupor. No more teabagger trash claiming to speak "for the people."

Posted by: ElrodinTennessee | March 9, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Pres.Obama said it in Jan 2009. Elections have consequences and WE WON.

Posted by: tjmadd5 | March 9, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

1. While a fan of unions I believe the electoral process needs to be given the chance to work, so if this is what people voted for, let them have it. And let Walker and the GOPers in WI face the consequences in recall and 2012 elections.

2. I can't quite figure out why people describe union leaders as "thug bosses," when they are democratically elected. Is there this much antipathy toward unelected CEOs and other actual "bosses"?

Posted by: oldpolicy | March 9, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Pres.Obama said it in Jan 2009. Elections have consequences and WE WON.

Posted by: tjmadd5 | March 9, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Boycotting Wisconsin is an idiotic and absurd proposal.

The senate did not act against trade unions. They acted to end the non-right of collective bargaining for public service unions, who should have no collective bargaining or strike rights, whatsoever.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Elections do have consequences and an election was held last November, wherein the majority of WI taxpayers elected Republicans to office to balance the budget and bring jobs to WI.

The Repubs will not be recalled, but rather the Dems certainly will. Running Away has consequences and they will see that soon.

I don't know where Rasmussen got their facts, but the majority of Wisc. is behind the Repub Party and NOT behind the AWOL Dems nor Trumka's fools how picket. Most of them aren't even from WI, so don't hold your breath on them voting to recall and Repubs.

Thank you Scott Fitzgerald and the rest of the WI Repubs who stood up to Union Thugs. Trumka..take your your damn AFL-CIO useful idiots back to DC.

Posted by: Kate46 | March 9, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

As much as I hate to admit it.....Bottom line : Walker won tonight, the people and Democrats lost. Rachel Maddow is starting to sound like Baghdad Bob with her declarations that "Republicans lost" on her show last night. Give Republicans their due, they know how to wield raw power and they don't take prisoners. Will the Democrats ever learn how to play hardball??

Posted by: zanki | March 9, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

CalifObserver:
Typical Republican fascism....so where are the students? If you are not out in the streets for the next couple months...you don't deserve the excellent education offered by the University of Wisconsin. When people my age were in college, we spent an entire semester marching against the Vietnam War....this is your war---the Republican war on little people.
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Funny, so what are the students now protesting in Berkeley? Really big things, like those evil tuition increases. Times change.... Oh, referencing fascism, get real.

Posted by: Marin823 | March 9, 2011 10:19 PM | Report abuse

And where are the 14 State Senate Democrats? Still hiding in Chicago and still saying "to hell with doing our elected duties as State Senators."

Posted by: Chuck8764 | March 9, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

The people of Wisconsin won tonight. Just like they won in November 2010. Public service unions and their overpaid members lost.

After two years of take-no-prisoners tactics of the Pelosi-Ried Congress, republicans are learning that they can play hardball and win, too. This lesson should be observed by the Republican House of Representatives, who need to learn how to play hardball to the death.

There should be no compromise with budget, deficit, national debt and entitlement issues. This country must be saved from national bankruptcy and unrecoverable disaster that such bankruptcy would wrought.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 10:23 PM | Report abuse

To all the useful idiots here who think Walker is some kind of hero "for the taxpayers", ask yourself why he exempted the police and firefighters from this bill. Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with "fiscal" matters.

Posted by: ElrodinTennessee | March 9, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Walker has begun to create his very own 3rd Reich, following in the infamous footsteps of one Adolph Hitler, who chose exactly the same methodology to consolidate his power in Germany prior to WW II.

This action was totally unnecessary, as he had his concessions. This action was all about Power, nothing more. Perhaps now, the voting public will finally realize exactly what the GOP has become, and it is not the salvation of the United States of America. All that the GOP has done in Wisconsin is a massive power grab, attempting to insure its continued control of Wisconsin, to the exclusion of any other choices or viewpoints.

It will either work extremely well, or completely backfire, costing them their new found power in the next election.

Posted by: ATC444 | March 9, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zarina1
Besides, if unions are so evil, then why didn't Walker strip the police & firefighters unions of their rights??
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What makes you think he is done?

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 9, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

When will ignorant people such as your self get it through your heads that union workers pay taxes too.

Do you think they are "exempt" from paying taxes, Nimwit.

Posted by: lcarter0311
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You are off point. Taxpayers include union workers, but they vastly outnumber union workers. Most taxpayers don't like the idea of public service unions draining the state treasury. That's why Walker was elected. It seems that you are the ignorant one, who forgets the obvious fact that Walker won the 2010 election because of the union-caused budget deficit.

Give it up. I am better educated and better informed than you are (by far).

Walker won. You lost. Get over it.

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The Union caused Budget Deficit?

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

State Workers draining the State Treasury?

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Has it ever occurred to you that the State Treasury is to pay for those services that state workers provide to you silly people.

In addition, has it ever occurred to you that Conservatives like Walker and the GOP have been draining those State Treasuries and handing the money over to the TOP 2% in your state, while you the tax payer and the public worker get nothing but a few cans of beans and DEBT and DEFICITS.

As a matter of state, right after he took office in January, he cut state taxes and gave millions of dollars to the top 2% and the claimed their was a budget deficit.

I think you are right about Walker winning in the short term, but Walker and ALL of the people will lose in the long term, except for the top 2% in the state.

Watch and see what I tell you.


I am done with this conversation with you, because there is no point in me arguing with stupid about this, I don't give a ratz-azz how better educated and informed you think you are.

So, the only thing left to do is wait and see what is going to happen to Walker and the people of the state of WI over the next few months.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | March 9, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Re: "The last time Wisconsin sent a white trash right wing pseudo-fascist into power it was Joe McCarthy. '

Amen

This is really like the early stages of the Civil War. Although it's doubtful that the republicans have any integrity at this point, if they'd start flying their beloved confederate flags and be honest about their agendas -- versus hiding under the skirts of religious fervor -- people in general would be able to understand the evil reality of what they really represent!

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

So, "It's all about the budget" turns out to be a total lie. It's about union-busting and weakening the republican's political opponents using banana republic strongarm tactics.

These cheap thugs should all be recalled as soon as possible.

CHEERS to the heroic 14 for standing up against the republican war against the middle class!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | March 9, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

The anti-Walker posters here who stupidly compare Walker to Hitler are trivializing who Hitler was and what the Nazis did. This comparison is so idiotic that it is incomprehensively absurd. Assertions like this make you appear to be as stupid and ignorant as anyone could possibly be. It is obvious that you know nothing of history and the millions who died during WWII.

This is about collective bargaining, not genocide, you idiots.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

If you peruse the blogs at the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel (jsonline.com) you'll see that 75% of the bloggers favor the governor's proposals.

Posted by: MrBethesda | March 9, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Hooray! No more $159000 a year bus drivers milking the public! Taxpayers rejoice!

Posted by: bryan37 | March 9, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

jfristriut:
"Reminds me of the shooting of Kent State students in Ohio."

A vote changing the bargaining rules for a sliver of the population reminds you of students being shot to death?

At least we can count on leftists to be level-headed about putting things in perspective, can't we?

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 10:12 PM

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The actions of this Governor and his legislature shot and killed the values of this republic for the aristocracy. The actions are very similar to what happened at Kent State.....Question is will the people of this Country allow the aristocracy to take over.....We are at the cross roads....I am concerned that you don't understand what is at stake. This isn't about Unions or budget....buddy....

Posted by: jfristriut | March 9, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

ombudsman: decimation: destroying or killing a large part of the population (literally every tenth person as chosen by lot)

Posted by: Margareta1 | March 9, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party has started class warfare............

Posted by: aeaustin | March 9, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Hooray! No more $159000 a year bus drivers milking the public! Taxpayers rejoice!

Posted by: bryan37 | March 9, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

So, this is what red neck fascism looks like.

Posted by: vztownes | March 9, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse


Dims, the party of No Show.

Useless, impotent Dims.

Posted by: screwjob26 | March 9, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Zarina1:
"What kind of American CHEERS when goverment strips them of freedom??!"

Well, all the Democrats who cheered when the PPACA was passed....for starters.


Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

come on, anyone with half a brain and watching this joke of political representation by both parties had to know that the unions were going to lose.

Now, what you should all be worrying about is how the losers handle the situation. I am not worrying about the Senate Lamo-crats coming home and screaming "unfair!" to the public, and yet ignoring the questions to why they stayed out of the state for THREE WEEKS. No, I am worrying about the potential for real violence by the union thugs, especially the ones who get shipped in from other states as hired guns, and I mean that literally. What are you as defenders of this plan to allow continued funding of unions by taxpayers going to say if your union buddies in Madison start rioting and injure or kill people?

It really is beginning to have similarities to Libya. The question is, do you want pictures of Gaddafi next to Democrat protest signs in Madison?

Better start thinking about this now, because daylight is only 9 hours away as I type these words!!!

Posted by: Joelhassfam4 | March 9, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

If this new bill removed all fiscal elements so it could be crammed through, how can it be a move to balance the budget?

haha just kidding. We all know that this was NEVER about the budget. It's about union-busting and a political power grab.

Cheap little teabagger thugs in action. The billionaire Koch brothers will be ready to hand out some goodies to their boys tonight!

Posted by: losthorizon10 | March 9, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

The rape-publicans committed another rape of democracy.

Posted by: solsticebelle | March 9, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Our country has been building towards a fiscal catastrophe for the past 40 years. None of the major entitlement programs since SS in 1936 was ever on a sound fiduciary basis. Anger should be directed towards those politicians who made unfulfillable promises to their constituents. There hasn't been "bargaining" or "negotiation" between public service unions in decades. It requires a divergene of interests to create negotiation. The interests of the Democratic politicians and their public service union members were joined at the hip. This insanity had to end somewhere. Just today, the Chicago Tribune had a story about the Comptroller of the small suburb Maywood who recently retired at age 53 at $253,000 per annum. We are heading towards a complete fiscal collapse if we do not fundamentally address the unfulfillable entitlement promises. This is not about serfs being pummelled, it is about the body politic returning to some sense of sanity. I am rich. I would approve of high taxes for my bracket if spending could be capped. I would approve raising the FICA cap considerably if spending could be capped. The politicians, of both parties, have behaved like children for decades. They have proven themselves incapable of restraint. Did anyone notice today that the February federal deficit was $250 billion? For one month! The states are broke. The feds have spent themselves into oblivion. It is going to take a generation to get us out of this debt quagmire and a lot of pain will ensue. Forget all the rhetoric. Look at the numbers.

Posted by: kmsbears | March 9, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Is this an objective description of what happened, or is it the JournoList description of what happened?

How are we to know, WaPo?

Posted by: asdf2 | March 9, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

We are having a civil war in WI between the taxpayers and the unions. We are fighting for our lives, while being harrassed and follwed by union thugs. I never thought I'd live to see this come about. They've turned long-time Dems against them.

The Dems and Unions can't take the word, "No." It's time they learned they can't have their way all the time.

Posted by: Kate46 | March 9, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

i think i see a pattern here. the government will shut down in 9 days.

Posted by: jgaskins1 | March 9, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

This entire drama in Wisconsin is being orchestrated to climax (in two weeks)with the Fed budget and the impending showdown and shutdown of the government and the apparent lack of funding.

This is a financial Hiroshima, and the republicans as Japanese are attacking Pearl Harbor and trying to sink the Wisconsin.

It's unlikely that the whimp Obama will rise to the challenge to defend America from the invasion of Newt Gingrich/Hideki Tojo and the small army of neo-fascist Christian adulters ... but I'm sure that newt and the teabaggers have engineered some clever deus ex machina surprises, but as usual, the good people of America will pound people like this into dust!

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

So this is what me and people like me are expected to fight and die for? So who's next, the teachers are now public enemy #1... is it the police and fire fiighters? Or is the millitary's "cadillac" health care system, our lavish salaries and travel opportunities going to make the military next? What happened to democracy, because this is not it?

Posted by: ro_pu | March 9, 2011 10:38 PM | Report abuse

A Pyrrhic victory that will come back to haunt them.

Posted by: hakafos44 | March 9, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi in that picture of her prancing across the Capitol Lawn with a gigantic Speakers Gavel in her hands INSPIRED THE REPUBLICANS ~

~ Tonight the entire Democrat party loses BIG TIME.

~ The electorate of Wisconsin is getting back their powers through the legislature. The cadre of union bosses, insider traders, and dope dealers who've been running this FAILED STATE are getting booted out of the lines of power.

Posted by: muawiyah | March 9, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I wonder: should Republicans have left Washington to prevent Obamacare from being passed?

Posted by: theduke89 | March 9, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse


Wisconsin voters should recall all 14 of the craven Dim cowards for dereliction of duty. They have abandoned their posts.

Posted by: screwjob26 | March 9, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Are there really people so stupid that they actually don't know that public school teachers are "taxpayers" too. They happen to be educated also which is obviously more than can be said for the vast majority of the right wing.

Posted by: vztownes | March 9, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

It looks like the time has come to start arresting union thugs in Wisconsin.

Posted by: theduke89 | March 9, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The rape-publicans committed another rape of democracy.

Posted by: solsticebelle | March 9, 2011 10:33 PM
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Absurd, silly, hyperbolic, nonsense. This is the kind of comment that might arise from a drug-addled, ignorant mind.

The only anti-democratic thing that happened in Wisconsin was when sore-losing democrats tried to override the 2010 election results by fleebagging to Illinois, abdicating their responsibilities to their constituents.

What happened today was democracy in action, in spite of attempts to hijack due process in the Wisconsin senate.

You sore losers need to get a life.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Giving the middle class tax relief would do more for them than paying higher wages and benefits for Unionized government workers - and fortunately Gov. Walker had the Republicans are aiming for that and showing a sense of duty for all Wisconsin citizens.

Meanwhile Phil Neuenfeldt, president of the Wisconsin state AFL-CIO, affirmed that the AFL-CIO is an exntension of the Democratic party - the same Democrats who ran away from thier duty and are hiding in another state.

Posted by: mgd1 | March 9, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Re: "We are having a civil war in WI between the taxpayers and the unions"

==> No, you have a civil war between the wealthy and their corporations -- versus the common middle class and the poor. many in the fight are union, but the massive majority is now going to fight the fascist invasion!

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

What is truly frightening, too, in all of these last several weeks (last several years) is the viciousness, the rage of the (Walker) supporters writing in tonight. The overweening hunger in these comments, in the whole tea party movement, to punish, to villify, to crush ANYone who disagrees with them in politics, religious issues, ANYthing, is a sign of the obsessive hatred which has escalated since the day Barack Obama was elected. It is as if his election was a gift to the far right because he is who and what he is. Their deliberate ignorance is killing our democracy and our free market. Does anyone think that it is "just the way free markets work" that there are no more manufacturing jobs in this country while the 400 richest people in the country have more income that 50% of the country WAKE UP!

Posted by: tomato101 | March 9, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I think it's ironic that the 14 Dems were sent packing by a deal between Dem. Sen Mark Miller and the Madison Mayor after they couldn't convince the Dem Secty of State to delay making the bill public for 10 days so they could make side union deals. So, the Mayor of Madison and Miller colluded to delay the bill...how's that working for you guys? Busted!

They got stuck down there and now we don't need them any more.

Posted by: Kate46 | March 9, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

aeaustin:
"The Republican Party has started class warfare..."

'Started'? Where have you been? Class warfare has been the single most-frequently employed tool in the labor union and Democrat toolbox for several decades.

Step back from your ideology for a sec, and think about it....when's the last time Democrats passed any sort of bill without attaching to it some sort of argument to stoke envy against 'the rich'?

If you are new to Ezra's blog, just stick around....he rarely lets a week go by without posting something about the inequities of wages and/or taxes. Fanning the flames of class warfare seems to be the only tactic progressives like Ezra can ever think of to try to win people over to their ill-conceived policies.

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans show their true colors. Isn't this what Hitler did in Germany?? Nazism is alive and well in the back halls of the Repub club house.

To the Repub who said "we won donight". In the long run, the only winners in the Republican Party are the rich. I hope you are rich, because in the long run you WILL lose.

Posted by: rmk351951 | March 9, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I have long been a supporter of the unions in this space, however this was inevitable. Did the Dems really think they could stay away forever? Futhermore, no one who believes in the rule of law can support the near anarchy in the video and pictures coming from the capital building daily.

The Dems should return home, get everybody out of the capital and then proceed with recall attempts on vulnerable lawmakers. This can't continue.

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | March 9, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

What may happen as a result of the Wisconsin Republicans' savage attack on unions is more interesting than their despicable attacks.

In New York, union announcements on radio have changed to mention Wisconsin. Wisconsin fire, police, sanitation, health and hospitals will take note, because they are next.

In the end, Wisconsin may face a general strike, and with any skills at outreach and coordination, the rest of us workin' for BP, Exxon-Mobile, killing Afghanis, etc., will be right out there with them.

WISCONSIN LABOR, DON'T GIVE UP. B*st*ds wil always be with us. Don't let the B*st*ds get you down. WE'RE with YOU, WISCONSIN LABOR.

Posted by: Farnaz1Mansouri1 | March 9, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse


Wisconsin senate Dims tried to shut down government, and failed.

The cowardly runaway Dims are a laughingstock.

Posted by: screwjob26 | March 9, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

After Obama won in 2008, the Democratic mantra was 'elections have consequences!'

After the Republicans won many statehouses and governorships in 2010, Obama used his OFA to organize the union goons to attempt the invalidate the election results through mob intimidation.

NOTE TO ALL UNION GOONS: Don't be too upset by this. I am sure Obama is spending tax payer money on lawyers trying to overturn the legal vote by a state legislature. That is why you pay your union dues, so Democratic Politicians can spend tax payer dollars for your benefit at the detriment of the tax payers who have not sold their souls to the union thug bosses.

Hope and Change...

Who knew it just meant open corruption with the union thugs?

Posted by: TECWRITE | March 9, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"What happened in Wisconsin tonight"

Its called WINNING
DUH!

Posted by: Straightline | March 9, 2011 8:41 PM


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Greatest comment ever

Posted by: MrMeaner | March 9, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

rmk wrote:

"The Republicans show their true colors. Isn't this what Hitler did in Germany?? Nazism is alive and well in the back halls of the Repub club house"

I'm a Democrat, but you're just a complete idiot!

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | March 9, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what happened in Wisconsin tonight Ezra, THE WORKING POOR got SCREWED by the ReTHUGlicans. Watch now, as it happens in State after State. THIS is their goal, to emasculate the Unions and send us back to the late 19th and early 20th Centuries when the Robber Barons called all the shots. They are reincarnated as the Koch brothers and their like-minded Mega-Wealthy cronies who want, as the maniac Governor in Florida is planning, to give Corporations a FREE RIDE, no more taxes for the richest of the rich. Cut school programs and Health-Care services for the old and indigent, take collective bargaining rights away from the Unions and get EVERYBODY back to working sixteen hour days with NO vacations, NO sick pay, NO Worker's Compensation, NO OSHA and NO recourse if fired without just cause! Just LEAVE THOSE BILLIONAIRES ALONE! How DARE the American Public expect THEM to pay ANY tax, let alone, their FAIR SHARE! If they think that what's happening in Egypt, Syria and Libya can't happen here, they should THINK again. Most Americans have reached their tipping point. I wonder what happens when people who have lost so much, have nothing left to lose? We should ask some folks in Wisconsin. Truth be told, we are ALL Wisconsin-ites, because, as THEY lose, so do we ALL. Wake up, America! They'll take whatever we don't fight for and even THAT, as well as our sack lunch! FIGHT the Right!

Posted by: billnbillieskid | March 9, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

You people against Wi taxpayers don't get it. We aren't wealthy. We believe in right and wrong and the unions are lying and printing misinformation. The teachers will still pay only 1/8 of what most people pay for benefits. Their pensions will still be so much better than any other.

This is about saving this state and getting jobs here. Doyle took the money meant for highway repair and took money from the stimulus to balance his budget that he shouldn't have. He caused this mess. Be mad at him, not the taxpayers. Some haven't worked in years because of Doyle. Where was the outrage when he passed a 2 billion tax hike? Should we just sell our homes to help the unions?

Give me a break.

Posted by: Kate46 | March 9, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

tomato101:

The 'rage' of those supporting Walker? I kindly invite you to follow your own advice, and wake up.

Feel free to scroll the posts above, and count how many times your left-wing friends call their political opponents names like Nazi's, fascists, teabaggers....or compare the GOP vote on a piece of legislation to the horrific shooting of unarmed college students to death.

Do liberals really walk around with proverbial blindfolds on? It sure seems that way reading their posts that ignore all facts that swirl around them....

Posted by: dbw1 | March 9, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

You people against Wi taxpayers don't get it. We aren't wealthy. We believe in right and wrong and the unions are lying and printing misinformation. The teachers will still pay only 1/8 of what most people pay for benefits. Their pensions will still be so much better than any other.

This is about saving this state and getting jobs here. Doyle took the money meant for highway repair and took money from the stimulus to balance his budget that he shouldn't have. He caused this mess. Be mad at him, not the taxpayers. Some haven't worked in years because of Doyle. Where was the outrage when he passed a 2 billion tax hike? Should we just sell our homes to help the unions?

Give me a break.

Posted by: Kate46 | March 9, 2011 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Re: "the obsessive hatred which has escalated since the day Barack Obama was elected."

==> Exactly, the confederate flags really need to go up as a symbol for the GOP and the hate these people have for the good things that America once stood for. The GOP at this point represents the very worst potential of America. This is an awful spiral were going into and it seems to be a pattern previously seen in the American Civil War and Nazi Germany. Awful!

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 10:51 PM | Report abuse

looks like the gop used the same tactics as reid-pelocy and obama. for all you union people. the federal emploees have no barging rights. after 2 full years of dem rule with a 2/3 majority in each house , senate and a dem pres.they did nothing for the unions except believe in open bordes and nafta.

Posted by: dagner49 | March 9, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Ezra, Elections have consequences remember?

At least this was done in the open by the Republicans in Wisconsin and not as part of a conspiracy led by your "JounOlist" friends to effect an election claiming to be fair minded journalists. You sir and your friends are the greatest threat to democracy in this country.

Also, where is the outrage against the protesters in Wisconsin, their damage to property, the treats, the bullying, etc. The tea party members never committed these acts and were vilified in the Post for merely peacefully assembling.

Posted by: georgiarat | March 9, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Teaching as a career is a road to poverty. Don't waste your money on a college degree in education..........

Posted by: aeaustin | March 9, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse


Tonight we have seen the Republican Party in its purest form:

- The party of crony capitalism.

- The party of no rights, low pay, and poor education for common people.

Back in the day, the Republican party stood for democracy and freedom. No longer. It is the party of oligarchy. I'm sure Rick Santelli's very rich Chicago Mercantile Exchange buddies who live in Wisconsin are celebrating.

Posted by: kgblankinship1 | March 9, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Dems storm capital at Madison - disgusting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGdwsvj5k8Y

Posted by: Kate46 | March 9, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Re: "What happened in Wisconsin tonight"

==> Shouldn't that read, "WTF Happened In Wisco Tonight?"

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes, way to go GOP!
Well done.
Polls? How did the Dems do in the only poll that counts, election night 11/2/10?
It is nice to see some real adults addressing our fiscal problems.

Posted by: merley1 | March 9, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Teaching as a career is a road to poverty. Don't waste your money on a college degree in education..........

Posted by: aeaustin | March 9, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Go Wisconsin!! Soooo cool.
I could hear cheers all over my CA community. Now if only Jerry Brown can take a lesson -- maybe we can save CA too.
Unfortunately, Brown is bought and paid for by the unions, including my very own teachers union that contributed heavily with my money (without asking me how I wanted it spent.

All Right for Wisconsin. The unions' demands and bad behavior should backfire again and again.

As for Klein, forget writing off the Republicans who did their job.
You can hope they will be recalled Ezra, but it's not happening.

Your irrelevant polls are defective -- like the future of the demanding union leaders.

Posted by: pjcafe | March 9, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Scott Walker and 18 Republican Senators:

Balls, big and brassy. Kudos.

Let the idiots riot. Should be fun to watch.

Posted by: drowningpuppies | March 9, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

the dem senators thought they were smart and deserted the senate jobs leavinmg nothing but gop in charge.every one of them should be first on the recall list.the dems showed us their version of democracy. if you can not win shut the government down.total scum.

Posted by: dagner49 | March 9, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

to ecartr5, this whole situation has been anti-democratic. from the democrats who ran to this stunt pulled tonight, all of it flies in the face of what our democracy is supposed to be about. to be honest i could give two poops about either parties, both stink almost as bad as the idealogues who are at the extremes of their base. the parties only now live to serve themselves and not this nation. they should all be ashamed, since 2001 the political discourse in this nation has ranged from unpleasant to outright seditious (a crime once punishable by death).

Posted by: ro_pu | March 9, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

For all this bluster about voting the Wisconsin Republicans out, there is one more little bit of bad news for you. Voting security measures that require photo ID will soon be passed there.

Posted by: carolinadreams | March 9, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I recently saw a comment that this protest is massive evidence of the status quo bias- no one in Richmond is trying to storm the statehouse demanding collective bargaining rights.

Posted by: staticvars | March 9, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Tonight we have seen the Republican Party in its purest form:

- The party of crony capitalism.

- The party of no rights, low pay, and poor education for common people.

Back in the day, the Republican party stood for democracy and freedom. No longer. It is the party of oligarchy. I'm sure Rick Santelli's very rich Chicago Mercantile Exchange buddies who live in Wisconsin are celebrating.

Posted by: kgblankinship1

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Absurd, dishonest nonsense.

Dude, you're looking in the mirror and seeing republicans.

It's your party that is the party of crony capitalism. How else do you explain all of the "exemptions" granted to Obama cronies for the unconstitutional, Orwellean-named "Affordable Care Act," aka Obamacare, or Obama-Death-Care?

The rest of your assertions are both baseless and idiotic. Your party is the party of oligarchy. Just look at who owns Obama. George Soros, unions, numerous other special interest groups. When you think you're seeing the enemy, you're really looking at yourself.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

THIRD WORLD COUNTRY - USA

I am not a union worker but support their right to collectively bargain. It appears that illegal vote was taken because notice wasn't issued in advance which is the law. This is what happens in a third world country

I think eventually Americans will see this as a raw power grab by the wealthy and elites, if they don't already. This frequently happens in third world countries where dictators rule the masses.

Strong arming is for 3rd world countries and that's what happened in Wisconsin tonight. We are slowly becoming a third world country if we allow this action to stand.

Unions are made up of working people who are not rich and work hard for a living with decent benefits, that's all. But in a third world country the citizens are treated like second class people, this is the current state of Wisconsin.

When the Governor of Wisconsin takes a phony phone call from wealthy donor instead of trying to settle the differences of his people it is a sign that we live in third world country.

Posted by: gregnowell | March 9, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever heard such whining? Such outrage?

Why, Wisconsin has actually made it so that local municipalities and districts can balance their budgets now without union threats tying them up in the courts for 18 months on average before they can make budget cuts!

That's what this was all about. But you never heard that in the general news.

The rabble drank the cool-aid and believed the propaganda.

They are going to get us.

They are coming, and they will never let us forget this!

They will vote every one of these dregs out of office!

They will chase Scott Walker to the ends of the earth!

They will trash him, they will pilliory him, they will end his political career!
Oh; I forgot; they already tried to do these things.

And by the way, it's not the UNION that's coming, it's the PEOPLE!

That's right, every citizen of Wisconsin! Oh, I forgot, 60% of the electorate supported the bill.

But they are coming! They are coming to take us away, ha-ha, ho-ho, he-he.......

Posted by: FreedomFirst2 | March 9, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

to dbw1 and others from tomato101

such language (nazism etc,) is over the line when anyone uses it and I don't condone or even excuse it. Or have you forgotten the signs with Obama as Hitler, Obama as a Muslim Manchurian candidate, as the Joker, etc., which NO Republican leader had the courage to condemn. But the undertone of the GOP/Tea pronouncements is one of a suppressed violence, the self-righteousness of the Inquisition and the Black Friars alike. God is on their side, etc. It's understandable to kill abortion doctors, we all need 31 bullets in our guns.....It's ugly. and dangerous.

Posted by: tomato101 | March 9, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse

THIRD WORLD COUNTRY - USA

I am not a union worker but support their right to collectively bargain. It appears that illegal vote was taken because notice wasn't issued in advance which is the law. This is what happens in a third world country

I think eventually Americans will see this as a raw power grab by the wealthy and elites, if they don't already. This frequently happens in third world countries where dictators rule the masses.

Strong arming is for 3rd world countries and that's what happened in Wisconsin tonight. We are slowly becoming a third world country if we allow this action to stand.

Unions are made up of working people who are not rich and work hard for a living with decent benefits, that's all. But in a third world country the citizens are treated like second class people, this is the current state of Wisconsin.

When the Governor of Wisconsin takes a phony phone call from wealthy donor instead of trying to settle the differences of his people it is a sign that we live in third world country.

Posted by: gregnowell | March 9, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Guess my reaction is just sadness---as an independent, I keep hoping that some of our leaders step away from their political ties and look at those that they are representing. It is the same feeling I get when I look at our Congress. The only motivation is getting re-elected or taking over the majority of the House/Senate, not what is good for the country. Both parties play this game. What is sad is that you see the current Republican agenda of "union busting" playing out across the states, just like the Democratic agenda of free wheeling social programs played out in the previous Congress. My only hope is that the Republican/Democrat "gang of six" is able to influence the outcome of our need to trim the budget. These are the folks I would vote for -- not some Congress Woman that goes on TV and lies to the American public like everyone before her. And since she is aligned with the Republicans--that is two strikes not one. Don't get me wrong - as an independent, fiscal responsibility is key but I would hope that the tactics of those supporting that position would move to bringing me in not alienate me, not slash and burn on the budget but careful consideration rather than a " campaign promise", and no focus on social issues but a focus on bringing fiscal strength back to our great country. Just my view.

Posted by: sutphinmike | March 9, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

rmk wrote:

"The Republicans show their true colors. Isn't this what Hitler did in Germany?? Nazism is alive and well in the back halls of the Repub club house"

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OK, if the Republicans are the Nazis in your analogy, I guess that makes the Democratic senators who fled the state rather than fight the equivalent of the French?

Posted by: Illini | March 9, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Unions are the primary reason way pay twice the amount a product is worth. And although this is a liberal media outlet, by reading the comments I can say the tide is turning.

Posted by: burtonwiborg | March 9, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

"Wisconsin is the first failed American state. Howard Dean should challenge Obama for the Presidency and drive him out of office."

Oh, please, yes!! Can Palin be his running mate too?

Please? Please? Please?

Posted by: EFudd3 | March 9, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Guess my reaction is just sadness---as an independent, I keep hoping that some of our leaders step away from their political ties and look at those that they are representing. It is the same feeling I get when I look at our Congress. The only motivation is getting re-elected or taking over the majority of the House/Senate, not what is good for the country. Both parties play this game. What is sad is that you see the current Republican agenda of "union busting" playing out across the states, just like the Democratic agenda of free wheeling social programs played out in the previous Congress. My only hope is that the Republican/Democrat "gang of six" is able to influence the outcome of our need to trim the budget. These are the folks I would vote for -- not some Congress Woman that goes on TV and lies to the American public like everyone before her. And since she is aligned with the Republicans--that is two strikes not one. Don't get me wrong - as an independent, fiscal responsibility is key but I would hope that the tactics of those supporting that position would move to bringing me in not alienate me, not slash and burn on the budget but careful consideration rather than a " campaign promise", and no focus on social issues but a focus on bringing fiscal strength back to our great country. Just my view.

Posted by: sutphinmike | March 9, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

ro-pu, who do you think is responsible for this political incivility? (Both sides, really isn't a good enough answer.) Who are the extremists you are talking about?

I know who the extremists are. I'm just checking to see if you know, also.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Finally, the real people have won! As one sign said, I voted for representation not unions, I think that says it all. Richard Trumka will be dissapointed his thugs could do no better.

Posted by: ariver31112 | March 9, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse


Now the 14 Dim senators can skulk home with their tails between their legs. Defeated by their betters.


Posted by: screwjob26 | March 9, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

"Congratulations to Gov. Walker for his HUGE victory today. He's doing exactly what he was elected to do."
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Gov. Walker did not run on taking away the collective bargaining rights of unions. He did not say one word about it until after he was elected.

Posted by: pythonS | March 9, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin State Senate Majority Leader Fitzgerald released the following statement. It is brilliant and oh-so-satisfying…“The people of Wisconsin elected us to come to Madison and do a job. Just because the Senate Democrats won’t do theirs, doesn’t mean we won’t do ours.Posted by: KGC2

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This is absolutely false. There was no debate during the campaign about Walker's proposals to deprive people of the right to organize effectively because Walker said nothing about this, dishonestly disguising his intentions until well after the election. The Republicans originally attempted to ram Walker's proposals through the legislature in a very few days with little in the way of hearings, debate or discussion. The heroic Democratic Senators acted to stop this cynical abuse in the only way they could. The result is that there has now been some extensive debate and discussion of the Walker proposals and a substantial majority of Wisconsinites appear to be rejecting them. The Democratic Senators achieved what the Republicans did not want: some good, thorough debate and a relatively well informed electorate. The opinion surveys now appear to indicate that most Wisconsinites support the Democrats, not Walker or the Republicans.

All the above facts have been fully reported in the major Wisconsin newspapers. See:

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/117472988.html

http://www.politifactwisconsin.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/


http://host.madison.com/search/?sForm=false&sHeading=Walker%20budget%20outrage&s=start_time&sd=desc&k[]=%22scott%20walker%20ct%22&f=html

Posted by: twm1 | March 9, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

When did teachers in this country become a target of loathing?

Posted by: rogden71
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After 36 years of teaching and the inherent rewards of the results of my efforts, I can tell you that teachers are not a "target of loathing."
There are plenty of teachers, nationwide, who have fallen in line with their unions based on the pure power and intimidation of those unions.
EX: If you don't join, don't expect any support if you are challenged by the administration. Do you want extra large classes?
Unions don't deliver -- they collect ----money for dues that the
leaders use to gain power -- supporting "certain" candidates.

The teacher's class sizes increase, they are not protected or cared about by the "leaders".
Get over it anyone who thinks the union supports the teachers.
It's about selfish power and influence.

Posted by: pjcafe | March 9, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"Scott Walker will move into a Koch Brothers job after his one term is over. Sorry Wisc. you just got scammed.

Posted by: ExConservative | March 9, 2011 9:15 PM"

Umm, thanks to the Dems and the bad behavior by union protesters, he'll probably move into the White House. They're making sure everyone knows who he is.

Posted by: Kate46 | March 9, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

The bill still includes several monetary changes, including charging public workers more for health care and pensions, which will save the state $330 million through mid-2013...Republicans did not explain how those provisions could remain in the bill with fewer than 20 senators voting, without 24 hours notice by law...and without any decency, humanity, care for their fellow Americans...or without the bucket of slime that they had to wash in first....

Posted by: TCPhlo | March 9, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

The only respectable situation in Wisconsin right now, is the recall of eight republican senators. Thank God for light at the end of this dark tunnel!

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

How did unions win weekends and over time in the first place?

Posted by: Dpete1 | March 9, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

How did unions ever win weekends off, and overtime pay?

Posted by: Dpete1 | March 9, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Voters should now be aware that Republicans are not in office to do right by the American people but are in politics for personal gain. We are all losers in this outcome in Wisconsin; collective bargaining is a right for all Americans. We've all be stripped of our collective bargaining civil rights which have been the law for the last 50 years. The jobs that Gov Walker says that private industry will create will most likely be low-end, low-wage paying jobs with no benefits. Our country is headed in the wrong direction and anyone who thinks the GOP is trying to balance the budget needs to have their head examined. This is about union busting and ensuring opportunities for big business, not the American people.

Posted by: cricket35 | March 9, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Unions have no business negotiating for government workers. Workers whose wages are paid by the public and have protections
created for them by their employers are
engaging in conflict of interest. Besides, laws protecting the vast majority of workers were legislated years ago. It is merely a power play for union bosses. One cannot serve two masters - government administrators and union bosses.

Posted by: shangps | March 9, 2011 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Wisco has laws like Cali?

Re: "Elections Code fn. 2 §18351 which provides that a candidate "who knowingly makes a false statement of a material fact in a candidate's statement...with the intent to mislead the voters in connection with his or her campaign for nomination or election to a nonpartisan office is punishable by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000)."

==> I'll be right back ....

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Teaching as a career is a road to poverty. Don't waste your money on a college degree in education..........

Posted by: aeaustin | March 9, 2011 10:55 PM
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you don't get rich being a teacher. But you can live very very comfortably if you use the extended vacations to supplement pay.
The great thing is that you get to teach! The students appreciate the dedication. An extra perk is security and wonderful benefits.
Great for raising a family -- you get to take all the holidays together while others are still in the office or running the business, working on keeping up with fellow salespeople, etc.

Your cynical attitude would not be conducive to productive classroom activity -- you should not be a teacher -- Do something else that validates you. Many of us can teach and do.

Posted by: pjcafe | March 9, 2011 11:25 PM | Report abuse

When did teachers in this country become a target of loathing?

Posted by: rogden71

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Teachers are not a target of loathing. Unions, mainly public service employees unions that plunder state treasuries with unsustainable benefit packages, have become a targeted problem that needs correction. It's not about loathing, unless you are a so-called "liberal," democrat or union activist. In my opinion, those are the haters.

Public service employee union members are not entitled to benefits that states cannot afford to pay for. Such negotiated agreements should be declared void because they are not based on a verifiable ability for states to pay. Just because somebody is promised the moon does not obligate the promiser to deliver something that is impossible to deliver.

For unions, this is a reality check. When agreements are not based on reality, there should be no expectation of payment.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 11:25 PM | Report abuse

We're highly unionized in Australia -- and unlike the USA we didn't have a recession during the global crisis (and we have low unemployment...oh, we have national health care too). If only Republicans actually knew something about the rest of the planet, they would see through anti-worker sloganeering. I pity the American working class, especially in Wisconsin where too many have been convinced that denying collective bargaining to some means easy living for themselves.

Posted by: geofft1 | March 9, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

UNEXPECTED?

UNEXPECTED?

Hey Ezra! You ought to listen to CONSERVATIVE talk radio. This option has been talked about since DAY ONE.


THIS OPTION HAS BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE DAY ONE!

The Republicans were just being GENEROUS in giving Wisconsin Democrats THREE weeks to do the right thing. Come in and represent their constituents.


You lose Ezra! You lose!

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | March 9, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

All hail Gov. Walker and the responsible Republican legislators. It's about time someone showed spine and stood up to these thieving unions. They finally represented the taxpayers.

Posted by: DaMan2 | March 9, 2011 11:32 PM | Report abuse

We're highly unionized in Australia -- and unlike the USA we didn't have a recession during the global crisis (and we have low unemployment...oh, we have national health care too). If only Republicans actually knew something about the rest of the planet, they would see through anti-worker sloganeering. I pity the American working class, especially in Wisconsin where too many have been convinced that denying collective bargaining to some means easy living for themselves.

Posted by: geofft1 | March 9, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

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I seriously doubt Australian government workers are unionized.


Private sector unions are one thing. Public sector unions are predatory against the taxpayer.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | March 9, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

My family just stopped buying anything from Wisconsin.

Yes, that includes non-union companies.

That includes online companies.

That includes Wisconsin cheese.

Anything with WI is off the table. Not going to buy it.

Funny thing, I'm not a union member.

But you play with fire, you get burned.

Posted by: WillSeattle | March 9, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

_____________________________________________________

Ok, so let's punish the countless innocent workers and companies in Wisconsin who have absolutely nothing to do with this issue, or have absolutely no direct stake in this issue. Plain and simple, you're an idiot! You're punishing countless people in Wisconsin who have nothing to do with what happened tonight whatsoever.

Posted by: liberalsareblind | March 9, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse


Governor can issue writs of election to fill the vacant senate seats that were abandoned by the 14 Dim cowards.

Posted by: screwjob26 | March 9, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

"and without any decency, humanity, care for their fellow Americans...or without the bucket of slime that they had to wash in first"

What part of "elected by the voters of WI in Nov. 2010" do you not understand? This is what we elected them to do.

Hopefully, this will help good teachers and weed out the bad. The teacher who won Teacher of the Year in WI would be the first to go vis Union ways.

Would people rather be laid off than pay a bit into their OWN retirement??

Posted by: Kate46 | March 9, 2011 11:40 PM | Report abuse

12.05 False representations affecting elections. No
person may knowingly make or publish, or cause to be made or
published, a false representation pertaining to a candidate or referendum
which is intended or tends to affect voting at an election.

946.32 False swearing. (1) Whoever does either of the fol-
lowing is guilty of a Class H felony:
(a) Under oath or affirmation or upon signing a statement pur-
suant to s. 887.015 makes or subscribes a false statement which
he or she does not believe is true, when such oath, affirmation, or
statement is authorized or required by law or is required by any
public officer or governmental agency as a prerequisite to such
officer or agency taking some official action.

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 9, 2011 11:43 PM | Report abuse

We're highly unionized in Australia -- and unlike the USA we didn't have a recession during the global crisis (and we have low unemployment...oh, we have national health care too). If only Republicans actually knew something about the rest of the planet, they would see through anti-worker sloganeering. I pity the American working class, especially in Wisconsin where too many have been convinced that denying collective bargaining to some means easy living for themselves.

Posted by: geofft1
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Welcome, Ozzie.

Americans (conservatives, anyway) do not recognize the validity of the term "working class." America is supposed to be a classless society, where anyone of however humble origins can achieve greatness and wealth, through their own efforts, ingenuity and hard work. The term "working class" has marxist origins, which most Americans also reject.

The issues about unions in Wisconsin are not about trade unions. They are about public service workers' unions. Most public service workers have civil service and other protections that trade union members do not have. Most public service workers really don't need unions. Public service unions are mainly a funding source for the liberal (politicians who are good at spending other peoples' money) politicians, especially democrats and socialists. One issue about unions is that they take taxpayers' money (wages paid to public service workers) and funnel it into political campaigns that many taxpayers would rather not support directly or indirectly. By making public service union membership voluntary and not compulsory, many union members will chose to save their money and opt out of unions (thus cutting off funding for some political candidates). Another issue is that public service unions "negotiate" agreements with liberal-led governments, and that these are not negotiations, but collusions. Nobody represents the interests of citizens and taxpayers, as taxpayers money is promised in unsustainable sweet-heart deals for union cronies of these politicians.

What we're talking about is a corrupt relationship between unions and democrats, that screw taxpayers out of their money. Voters in Wisconsin voted to end this corruption. The Wisconsin senate acted to honor the wishes of the Wisconsin voters. The hyperbolic whining you see here written by liberal losers, mainly misrepresents what really happened.

i hope that I shed light on what is really happening here.

Posted by: ecartr5 | March 9, 2011 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Exempting the police and firefighters unions from the bill, for what are solely partisan political reasons, violates the 14th Amendment's equal protection clause so blatantly that striking it down in court will be an open and shut case. Not even John Roberts could weasel his way to uphold it.

Posted by: samrosenbaum | March 9, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

The Dems should have stayed and made their case....that's their job. If they didn't have a convincing case, then they get out-voted...welcome to America. Here in this country, it's up to the voting public to elect folks who will fairly represent them. If the elected folks can't do that...bad on YOU ! you elected the wrong folks. What happened in WI is the will of the voters...welcome to America :)

Posted by: Gypsy1 | March 9, 2011 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I moved to Wisconsin 18 years ago. This is a state with a tradition of Midwestern courtesy and compromise. While historically progressive, Wisconsin elected a Republican governor, Tommy Thompson, four terms in a row, from 1987-2001. Before that, Wisconsin was the state that produced Melvin Laird, a famously centrist Republican Congressman who also served as Nixon's Sec. of Defense during Vietnam. Never before in my observation has this state been so ripped apart. Gov. Walker, unlike Thompson, lacks the leadership skills to unite the people of his state. The Dem. senators left Wisconsin because the Rep. senators made clear that they were planning to push the Walker bill through without allowing sufficient time for public or legislative debate. By leaving the state, the Dems at least gave their constituents time to express their opinions. I went down to the capitol a couple of times, and it was the most mild-mannered, friendly gathering of protesters imaginable. Just yesterday Wisconsinites were relieved to hear reports that the two sides may be nearing a compromise. Unions had already agreed, in week one, to all fiscal measures. What remained on the table: the right for public employees to bargain collectively as private employees do; the future of Medicare coverage; and a provision allowing the state to sell off its power plants without taking bids. If Walker had been more flexible on those few points, he could have declared victory while keeping the public trust. With today's news, Wisconsinites now realize what a divisive governor and uncompromising body of senators they have elected. For those of you who think that the Republican maneuver was a pretty slick move, you don't know Wisconsin. In the short term, it looks like they got their way. In the long term, this is poor political strategy.

Posted by: Begemot | March 9, 2011 11:54 PM | Report abuse

"When people my age were in college, we spent an entire semester marching against the Vietnam War."

The Chinese are glad you did that, and hope that you convince American kids to stop studying.

Great plan.

Posted by: Ombudsman1 | March 9, 2011 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Like they say in the lottery commercials: You can't win if you don't play.

The democrats decided to run away and hide in Illinois instead of facing the consequences of the last election. it is an insult to the voters and to representative government.

Posted by: wave41 | March 9, 2011 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin is behaving like Iran-USA.

Posted by: cwh2 | March 9, 2011 11:59 PM | Report abuse

The Americans for Prosperity (Koch) plan is to end teacher unions, tenure and retirement benefits-base salaries of $23,000 a year with an IRA. If you think you will attract good teachers with a package like that you are dreaming.

There are problems with our education system. But, reducing teacher compensation to that of pizza shop employees and abolishing the US Dept. of Education will only make matters worse.

The fact is that state governments underfunded retirement plans and the Wall Street banks stoled the nest egg. So, let's punish teachers, nurses and public safety workers. Yeah, that'll show'em.

Fact is this is all contrary to economic growth and good public services. The rich will get richer-and most people posting here-regardless of party affiliation-will get less.

Posted by: wellbean | March 10, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I think walker can be recalled for violating his oath of office, because of his campaign intent to defraud and mislead voters.

Do over! New Governor!!! This was objective malice!

In any statutory definition of a crime, malice must be taken ... as requiring either:

(1) an actual intention to do the particular kind of harm that in fact was done; or
(2) recklessness as to whether such harm should occur or not (i.e. the accused has foreseen that the particular kind of harm might be done and yet has gone on to take the risk of it).

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 10, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Note to Republicans,
It's time to become very familiar with this term:
Pyr·rhic victory
(PIR-ik VIK-tuh-ree)
noun
A victory won at too great a cost.
A victory that is offset by staggering losses.
a victory with devastating cost to the victor; it carries the implication that another such victory will ultimately cause defeat.

Posted by: YellerKitty | March 10, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Very few adult comments in the whole lot. Mostly schoolyard taunting. We're screwed.

Time for some sensible centrism:
1) Contracts with public workers must be seriously overhauled. Unfunded pension and benefit liabilities will sink state and local governments. Unfunded entitlement liabilities ARE sinking the federal budget.
2) Unions have a place in our society as a counterbalance to the (very, very real) predations of corporations. That's not socialism. That's mid-twentieth-century (a time when we had more equitable wealth distribution and a vibrant middle class, thanks in part to unions) common sense. The role of unions for public employees is a much trickier question, but if public employee unions THEMSELVES read the hand-writing on the wall, they can save themselves. Will they do it? Hard to tell, but they will if they're smart.
3) Solving the nation's problems will take compromise. As someone (Lyndon Johnson, I think) once said, "People who won't settle for half a loaf have never been hungry."

Politicians like Walker who turn such thorny problems into distance-urination contests are a big part of the problem, as are the people who enable them. Seems Walker could have had his way on the budgetary front (what, that wasn't ENOUGH of a victory?). But he had to turn it into an ideological anti-union crusade, as decoupling the budget question from the union one proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Walker won a political victory. Will it be a pyrrhic one? Possibly.

Read the editorials in the 3/7/11 issue of Time on the proceedings in Wisconsin and about labor relations in general. You nasty partisans from both sides might learn a thing.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | March 10, 2011 12:08 AM | Report abuse

We're highly unionized in Australia -- and unlike the USA we didn't have a recession during the global crisis (and we have low unemployment...oh, we have national health care too). If only Republicans actually knew something about the rest of the planet, they would see through anti-worker sloganeering. I pity the American working class, especially in Wisconsin where too many have been convinced that denying collective bargaining to some means easy living for themselves.

Posted by: geofft1

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Australia only has 22.5 million people in the entire nation as of 2010. The US has over 308 million people as of 2010. That's a huge difference in costs, logistics, and political implications for changes like socialized medicine. Comparing Australia to the US is like comparing the night to the day. You cannot compare the countries at all, especially when it comes to political issues.

Posted by: liberalsareblind | March 10, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

"When people my age were in college, we spent an entire semester marching against the Vietnam War.""
The Chinese are glad you did that, and hope that you convince American kids to stop studying.

Great plan."


yes, it is a great plan.
the day that american students start demonstrating again, and become deeply involved in political issues, and taking strong moral stands to defend principles of freedom and choice, will be the rebirth of the united states, and a rebirth for democratic values and a respect for universities and education....and social progress..
and then we will break out of the dark ages, and the regressive mentality that has settled like a disease on our country.
and it will be the best thing that could happen.

good things often come out of bad things.
what happened in wisconsin has awakened the spirits and conscience of all democrats, this evening.
not one of us can afford to stay uninvolved, and watch our deepest principles sold down the river.
not any longer.

Posted by: jkaren | March 10, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

"These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost." - . . . .Ronald Reagan

Posted by: GenuineRisk | March 10, 2011 12:15 AM | Report abuse

From: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_260247e0-4ac4-11e0-bfa9-001cc4c03286.html

"It's not clear why police abandoned efforts to limit access to the Capitol Wednesday night, but Department of Administration spokesman Tim Donovan said "windows have been broken" to get in. He said he could not immediately provide specifics."

Stupid liberals! Let's vandalize the state capitol because we're so angry over this vote that we can no longer act in a civilized manner. Breaking the law will endear so many people to your side of the issue. Not! What a bunch of morons!

Posted by: liberalsareblind | March 10, 2011 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Everyone with any common sense knows that the Wisconsin union leaders coerced Democrats to give the unions pensions, health care, etc. -- regardless of the cost to taxpayers.

Now, it's time to pay the bill and Wisconsin taxpayers cannot. So those who maliciously created the deficits -- unions and Democrats -- now are having to pay for their malfeasance.

It's time. Finally, the taxpayers win.

Posted by: RonKH | March 10, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Game Over Libs,,,,,Deal With It !

Posted by: Defund_NPR | March 10, 2011 12:26 AM | Report abuse

The sleeper has awoken. The worst thing for the Rethuglicans and the teabag-talban is when citizens see their rigths being taken away by corporate interests. There will be recalls. This is the theme of the 2012 elections which is the war on the middle class. It's time that the corporate carpetbaggers were defeated so that our poltical process can be cleaned up. I am sending money to the effort. RECALL is the weapon to fight the war against the middle class and I suggest we use it. Your job will be next. They will never stop until every middle class American is in the poor house and the rich have enslaved every one of us.

Posted by: jacquie1 | March 10, 2011 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Game over America, deal with the nazis

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 10, 2011 12:31 AM | Report abuse

There has to be a fight to remove walker ASAP, along with the other 8. Is Wisconsin devoid of ethics laws?

See examples: Commentary: The determination of whether a candidate knows of falsity or recklessly disregards the truth or falsity of his or her public communication is an objective one, from the viewpoint of a "reasonable attorney", using the standard of "objective malice". See In re Chmura, 608 N.W. 2d 31 (Mich. 2000)

(d) shall be responsible for the content of any statement or advertisement published or communicated in any medium by a campaign committee if the candidate knew of or recklessly disregarded the content of said statement or advertisement prior to its release;

Posted by: Recall_confederate_senators | March 10, 2011 12:33 AM | Report abuse

State employees aren't the most sympathetic people. If the GOP crammed the bill through, they weren't much worse than the Dems who crammed health care through in Congress; in both cases, it's inside baseball that goes over the heads of most voters. So I can't see the recalls prevailing. Collective bargaining rights for a state employees' union is fairly abstract; majority rules is easy to follow and like it or not, majority rules is on the side of the republicans in Wisconsin.

I note with interest that it is public employee union rights that has made the Dems draw a line in the sand. The President has said or done nothing in over a week over the murder of four innocent Americans by Somalian pirates. Shows you their priorities.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 10, 2011 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Just heard that the Wisconsin National Guard will clear the Capitol tomorrow.
There has been reports of violent threats against the Assembly, so the Governor has called out the NG. Apparently, the the State Police have shown they won't do their jobs.
Uh oh, looks like some State Police supervisors are about to be terminated.

Posted by: robotech1 | March 10, 2011 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Just like New Jersey - the governor wasn't popular for taking on the unions until the deficit started to go down. When each school district can make individual deals for their areas and the schools can have more decision making power that benefits the kids - cool! If what Walker proposes doesn't do what he says it will - then change it next round.

If it works - public opinion will go up. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: 912anita | March 10, 2011 12:51 AM | Report abuse

It's a world wide phenomenon- getting people elected so that they will promise you money in the future, without setting the money aside.

Defined benefit pensions are fraudulent scams...

Posted by: staticvars | March 10, 2011 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Are you old enough to remember Joe McCarthy? There are those that willingly destroy for personal agrandisement and personal financial gain - such individuals seek power and public note. Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. Look to Lybia and understand Wisconsin today. I was a University professor at UW-EC for 25 years and wonder how good people (citizens) can repeatedly blunder so badly - the public workers unions are weak and of very little cost to the state gov't. My salary never exceeded $33,000- per year, with 25 years experience and a doctorate degree (that stacked on three other degrees) cost more than two years gross salary. The Republicans are not targeting teachers because they are a burden to the state budget, but rather by destroying a weak union, is preparing the ground toward destruction of industrial unions, placing billions of dollars of middle class wages into the pockets of owners and managers in business and industry. Gov. Walker has already been shown to be a pawn of industry, and this bill gives him exclusive power to give away all public owned utilities with all fairness like competive bidding curcumvented in favor of those pulling his strings. Is this what you really voted for?

Posted by: wwwdonburk30 | March 10, 2011 1:01 AM | Report abuse

"In America teachers alone accounted for a tenth of the delegates to the Democratic convention in 2008."

The Economist really called this well back in January
http://www.economist.com/node/17851305

Posted by: staticvars | March 10, 2011 1:03 AM | Report abuse

After reading some of these reichwinger comments, it would seem a good time for the American Nazi Party to make a comeback. More than likely the comments are from throwback members of that psycho party.

Posted by: TexasMike | March 10, 2011 1:04 AM | Report abuse

What we're talking about is a corrupt relationship between unions and democrats, that screw taxpayers out of their money. Voters in Wisconsin voted to end this corruption. The Wisconsin senate acted to honor the wishes of the Wisconsin voters. The hyperbolic whining you see here written by liberal losers, mainly misrepresents what really happened.

Posted by: ecartr5
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What's interesting that you left out the fact that relationship between the corporations and the wealthy being joined in the hip with the Republican party that is corrupting as well.

Secondly WI Senate simply stripped out the bill just to pass the non financial portion. Even then the measure failed on the equal protection clause of the US Constitution by leaving the collective bargaining to three unions while eliminating it to the rest.

We'll see how it goes over time because I'm hearing several scenarios...

Posted by: beeker25 | March 10, 2011 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Seeing as how they are planning to destroy all of the social gains of the 20th century, Republicans should show some courage and repeal all food safety laws, child labor laws, consumer protection laws, remove the right to vote from women and then re-institute slavery. Republicans love to attend a good lynching every now and then, and while they're at it, perhaps they will start bombing Sunday School classes again (as long as the dead children are not white), just like they did in the 1960's.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

Posted by: FriendofKeyserSoze | March 10, 2011 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it odd that the same people who claim it would be calamitous to raise taxes on the rich by 3% in a time of recession don't have a problem with cutting wages of the middle class by 8.5% during a recession? The GOP is essentially setting economic fires for the bargain basement prices when what's left of the middle class is foreclosed. It's time to draw the line and man the barricades.

Posted by: fingersfly | March 10, 2011 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Seeing as how they are planning to destroy all of the social gains of the 20th century, Republicans should show some courage and repeal all food safety laws, child labor laws, consumer protection laws, remove the right to vote from women and then re-institute slavery. Republicans love to attend a good lynching every now and then, and while they're at it, perhaps they will start bombing Sunday School classes again (as long as the dead children are not white), just like they did in the 1960's.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

Posted by: FriendofKeyserSoze | March 10, 2011 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Koch's paid trolls (inmate labor?) are out in force today.

Posted by: harold3 | March 10, 2011 1:13 AM | Report abuse

grow up little Ezra.

Posted by: carlbatey | March 10, 2011 1:13 AM | Report abuse

"We're highly unionized in Australia -- and unlike the USA we didn't have a recession during the global crisis"

You have a resource based economy, like Saudi. Totally different from the US economy.

Posted by: staticvars | March 10, 2011 1:17 AM | Report abuse

On the right, there is this "if you don't like it, boo-hoo, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make money or die" attitude. But we are talking about public servants here having their rights taken away. Why? Because Republicans work for corporations. Because they are bought and paid for by corporate interests who want all unions broken. It's sad, and what's just as sad is that this makes people happy. Sticking it to the little guy feels good I guess. It's a shameful day and the people on this board who think this is "Winning" are small, sad people.

Btw, I'm rich. Self-employed. And I think this is disgusting.

Posted by: dcmusician2 | March 10, 2011 1:26 AM | Report abuse

"Defined benefit pensions are fraudulent scams..."

Poor little staticvars is still sore at getting screwed over by his bosses and looking for scapegoats.

And Ezra continues to attract the dumbest trolls around.

Posted by: pseudonymousinnc | March 10, 2011 1:32 AM | Report abuse

"I don't get to negotiate my pay, I don't have a pension. They shouldn't get one either."

Sucks to be you, sucker.

Did your boss take your dignity and your cojones when you took the job?

Posted by: pseudonymousinnc | March 10, 2011 1:37 AM | Report abuse

"I assume your reference point for calling the GOP senators in Wisconsin "thugs" is Obama and the Democrats in Congress, and the similar tactics they used to pass health care 'reform'?

At least Walker invited the cowardly Democrat senators who were living the high life across the state line in Illinois"

you can be absolutely certain that my reference point for calling the GOP senators in wisconsin, "thugs," has absolutely nothing to do with president obama or the democrats, who struggled against unyielding, recalcitrant republicans, to provide a safety net for sick and poor, uninsured americans, when the republicans in congress, were unable to even read the bill, no less, come up with a constructive plan of their own.

and what ever are you talking about...."democrats living the high life, across state lines in illinois..." that is a ridiculous statement.
they were away from their families, at personal sacrifice... while the OUTLAW GOVERNOR threatened their paychecks...and they stood united, on principle for the working people of wisconsin.
they are heroes now, to the people of wisconsin, and democrats, and all rational, compassionate, patriotic americans throughout the country.
they are leaders of principle and integrity...defending and representing their constituency, against the clandestine, immoral, roughshod actions of the OUTLAW GOVERNOR., and his minions.

Posted by: jkaren | March 10, 2011 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Anyone claiming that the Democratic Senators should have stayed in state to negotiate simply hasn't been paying attention. It was clear from the start that there would be no negotiation. The bill was introduced with virtually no notice and set for a vote almost immediately. Of course the Republicans passed the House bill by calling for an immediate vote in the middle of the night -- and then took the vote seconds later before democrats could even get back to their seats. This is the kind of thing one would expect to see in the USSR -- not the US of A.

Posted by: nehemia2001 | March 10, 2011 2:01 AM | Report abuse

If only we could get Scott Walker and those Republican state senators to come to the People's Republic of Montgomery County....

Posted by: stratman1 | March 10, 2011 2:21 AM | Report abuse

A lot of commenters here celebrating their victory of having wages lowered for the middle class have forgotten one thing.

Wisconsin people are proud and will not roll over and play dead just because Walker won this battle the only way he knows how.

Instead, he has ruined Wisconsin for the GOP. This is a blue state now, and will be for the next twenty years, starting with the recalls.

Posted by: wmhogg | March 10, 2011 2:27 AM | Report abuse

I congratulate all the working people who supported the Repubs in this effort. The New Robber Barons have successfully convinced you "hard working taxpayers" that the greedy unions are responsible for all that's wrong with the world. Now that they've crippled the evil unions they will soon come for your jobs and democratic rights. Expect Repub legislatures, which are now wholly owned subsidiaries of corporations and financiers, to pass laws favoring companies that outsource work to overseas locations; expect Repub legislatures to pass measures that establish the equivalent of a poll tax to supress voter turn out; expect inflation to rise as public debt continues to climb due to Repub tax giveaways to the wealthy (tax incentives for companies to re-locate to a certain states do not create jobs; most companies simply move some minor administrative function to such states to take advantage of the tax break). Yes, all you descent, hard working, red-blooded Americans have been duped; you've been conned; you've been rogered but good.

But please, go on believing this is a win for the taxpayer, for the common man; and order your commemorative "Joe the Plumber" stamps while they last. Celebrate your victory now because within the next few months the effort to destroy your livelihood will be begin.

Posted by: poitoueksophia | March 10, 2011 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Signs that I see the Republicans are winning a Pyrrhic victory.

1. Perform a unethical maneuver for a cheap shot as PR stunt for Republican TV.
2. Get conspicuously invited to a fund raiser in DC for 18 Wisconsin people to collect money.
3. The 18 come back, local headlines of the inevitable cuts to popular Wisconsin programs like high school and college sports.
4. Meanwhile we have another round of Wisconsin protests energized to finish their recall campaigns.

Posted by: BigSkyDem | March 10, 2011 3:13 AM | Report abuse

"What happened in Wisconsin tonight"

Its called WINNING
DUH!

Posted by: Straightline | March 9, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

You know, it's just me, I'm sure, but I'll bet you didn't have the same attitude in November 2008.

I, yes, I forgot. Winning an election only counts if you're part of the annointed American Republican Party.

Apparently.

Join a conversation, sir, and stop criticizing every thing you don't like.

This has to stop.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston |
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John, how do you know this? I know lots of Democrats who were outraged that Republicans used the 60 vote rule in the senate to block legislation and who supported the Democrats who fled Wisconsin to evade a vote.

Maybe we all need to abide by the rules even when "our side" loses.

Posted by: rohit57 | March 10, 2011 4:06 AM | Report abuse

A general strike should be called, across wisconsin. Let these braying, ignorant teabaggers crow and celebrate tonight's illegal end run by the GOP when their state shuts down for a week and they have to stay home to teach their screaming little brats themselves!

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 10, 2011 4:47 AM | Report abuse

"For all this bluster about voting the Wisconsin Republicans out, there is one more little bit of bad news for you. Voting security measures that require photo ID will soon be passed there."- carolinadreams

And will be ruled just as unconstitutional by the Wisconsin courts as the poll taxes and voting literacy tests once imposed on Negroes by the bigoted hillbillies in states such as ...North and South Carolina.

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 10, 2011 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Ha Ha Dems. It looks like you got your keisters handed to you tonight. Your Union thug bosses must be livid. The great Dem/Union money laundering machine is about to get shut down. No wonder you are screaming like stuck pigs.

Posted by: get_it_right
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Have you read the polls? The PEOPLE lost. Or don't you believe in Democracy. Considering that you also wrote an ignorant post on NPR I doubt you do. By the way NPR is the MOST RESPECTED news organization in this country. But I doubt an ignorant little offensive twit like yourself would know that. Anti-union people like yourself are beneath contempt.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | March 10, 2011 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Ezra, this was not a "surprising" move by Wisconsin, except to you. In fact, you had written a few days ago that the unions were "winning" in Wisconsin.

You need to get out more and talk to a few people who are not ex-journolisters, that is, if they will talk to you.

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | March 10, 2011 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Taxpayers win,unions lose.Why is it that dems dont see that every blue state is heavy in with the unions is facing major defecits?Their solutions always is raising taxes as in Illinois.Then they wonder where have the jobs gone.Its simple Dems,the private sector or what you may call the "rich"is who create jobs. Small bussiness owners move out of state or fire people when they dont make profits with their companies,and thus leaving many people unemployed.Dems say this move is a war for agaisnt the middle class, and yet dont see their actions when they raise taxes on us all so that union bosses can have lavish livestyles.Kicking the can down down the road accumulating massive debt in the hands of the unions while donating to democratic candidates.

Its simple, Walker cut taxes when he was voted in to lure companies into the state to create jobs.Thats something dems dont realize or refuse to see,the PRIVATE sector creates jobs,NOT the gov.Hes balancing the budget getting rid of out of control pensions that are the bleeding the state dry.Hes doing that to reassure when companies that creates jobs move in they wont get taxed to death a la Illinois.

So basicly what hes doing is trying to make winsconsin competitive,actually HELPING the middle class and helping the unemployed.You dems and msnbc can cry all you want cause the gig is up,TAXPAYERS WON.There wont be any recalls.As for teachers and unions,why is it that we spend billions in education and yet we get so little and are so behind?Is is cause of the unions and not being able to fire bad teachers?Its time someone took the leadership role,something this president has not shown when it comes to budgets and defecits.

Posted by: finallyabravepolitician | March 10, 2011 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the tea baggers should be fuming at this blatant removal of rights. They're so into retaining their liberties, I would think that workplace liberties and rights - and the removal of such by a blatantly dictatorial move like this would have them fuming and frothing, right?

Posted by: JilliB | March 10, 2011 6:37 AM | Report abuse

In 2003 we recalled and tossed out Gray Davis as governor of California.

That was lots of fun. Firing these politicians, no matter which party owns them, is a good thing ... blood of tyrants and all that.

I would not be in the least surprised to see Wisconsin do the same thing with this governor.

You morons who believe the democrats or the republicans are even capable of doing their jobs won't be able to understand this, but kicking out a politician like this is about the only real way we have to put these cretins in their place.

Posted by: eezmamata | March 10, 2011 7:00 AM | Report abuse

The Iranian people had a Democracy until they voted for Ahmadinajad. And now they have a dictator because they voted away their rights.

The people of Wisconsin did the same thing when they voted for Walker.

And make no mistake, every elected Republican in the country would gladly remove your voting rights if they thought they could get away with it.

In New Hampshire today, they are trying to take away the voting rights of college students because they feel they are too liberal.

There are many more examples, ranging from election fraud as evidenced by dozens of GOP convictions to widespread gerrymandering, of how the GOP is working to turn the US into an autocratic state led by them alone.

I am a former Republican because I cherish Democracy, something no Republican does. And Wisconsin yet again proves it.

Posted by: lauren2010 | March 10, 2011 7:10 AM | Report abuse

I love how many Republicans are crying that this it is illegal for the Democrats to leave...

Abraham Lincoln was only stopped by gravity when he left:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/02/abraham_lincoln_jumped_out_of.html

Posted by: zalpha | March 10, 2011 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I have to laugh when those who have been refusing to enter the State Capitol for three weeks then complain that there was no opportunity for debate... via their protesters who have been occupying and loudly protesting during that entire time.

Posted by: blasmaic | March 10, 2011 7:23 AM | Report abuse

People elected to represent people run and hide then get there rear kicked. Goodness, federal people do not have the same union BS.
Remember when [ your fired ] came from a president. The Union members were ask for next to nothing. It's the people who control union money who are crying.

Posted by: lsnlyodo | March 10, 2011 7:29 AM | Report abuse

This is just what needed to happen, these DIMMOCRATS think that by hiding they can usurp the will of the people. It also amazes me that when the DIMMOCRATS do things like what was done here they become outraged(remember the OBAMACARE bill?) its time that he media stops giving pro DIMMOCRATS views and report the news.

Posted by: jhartnack | March 10, 2011 7:39 AM | Report abuse

First They came... - Pastor Martin Niemoller

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Posted by: jkaren | March 10, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse


Here in Old Virgina there are no State Employee Collective Bargaining Rights. The average teacher pay is higher, the test scores are higher, and there are many qualified applicants for open state jobs.

Virginia is also expected to run a budget surplus this year.

Hmm.

Posted by: L1ncon | March 10, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I think that this is a case of "winning the battle and losing the war." What this has done in pure political science terms is bring national attention to two things--Republican tactics and unions. Originally, when the anti-union message began, it was clever because unions were not mentioned--it was simply public sector workers who were "overpaid" and the counter was that they are better educated etc--all of which was lost because it was too complex for a soundbite. Enter Scott Walker and Karl Rove. Scott Walker = "this is about unions" and Rove = "this is about unions because union workers make 42% more than non-union workers." Assuming a rational electorate who would prefer to make more than worry about taking money away from their neighbors--the message is now, Republicans hate unions because union workers make more money than non union workers--therefore, Republicans want workers to be poor while the rich get richer. Rove's ad is the best join or start a union ad I have seen in a long time.

Posted by: Prosperity2008 | March 10, 2011 7:45 AM | Report abuse

"...while Democrats and unions found themselves suddenly flush with volunteers, money and favorable media coverage".
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Nothing new here.

Posted by: bethg1841 | March 10, 2011 7:50 AM | Report abuse

"Walker's numbers dropped, while Democrats and unions found themselves suddenly flush with volunteers, money and favorable media coverage."

Ezra's native tongue is liberal weaselisms so let me translate the above paragraph for y'all:

"Walker's poll numbers dropped": We ran push polls as soon as we saw the public was not behind us.
"Volunteers": Bused in union thugs,
"Money": Thank God for George Soros
"Favorable media coverage": Hack weasel writers exactly like me.

Posted by: manbearpig4 | March 10, 2011 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Wow- Wisconsin's unionized Government workers now have the same collective bargaining as Federal unionized government workers. Oh the shame Oh the tragedy. Can life as we know it go on?

Posted by: flyover22 | March 10, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Shame on the Democrats from bailing out on the unions and allowing this vote to strip the bargaining rights. What were they doing, not being there to block this bill?

Posted by: llrllr | March 10, 2011 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Ha ha ha

Li'l Ezra notes that "Walker's numbers dropped, while Democrats and unions found themselves suddenly flush with volunteers, money and favorable media coverage."

"Found themselves suddenly" can be translated as:
"We ran push polls as soon as we saw the public was not behind us.
"Volunteers": Bussed in union thugs,
"Money": Thank God for George Soros
"Favorable media coverage": Hack weasel writers exactly like me." [h/t: manbearpig4]

If Ezra had a conscience or even a sense of irony, let alone shame, his stomach would be a washing machine at his own superslackerhacker status.

Posted by: djman1141 | March 10, 2011 8:05 AM | Report abuse

For all of those who have written that the "tax payer wins".

I've got news for you..this had nothing to do with taxes, cost of labor or the State's budget...if it did, under the laws of Wisconsin the Repubs could not have done what they did..this is all about trying to kill the public employee unions-clear and simple.

Union busting has Walkers primary objective.

Fiscal management has never been his chief objective, and if his last experience shows what type of a manager he will be as governor... LOOK OUT WISCONSIN..HE'LL LEAVE YOU WITH MORE DEBET THAN HE HAD WHEN HE TOOK OFFICE..

Given the standing in the polls..the Repubs are on very weak ground with the voters and it is very possible that Walker and a significant number of the other Repubs who have pulled this stunt could be recalled..since his popularity dropped from 55% on the day he was sworn in office to close to 38% two months later...and that does not take into account this stunt..he, stands a excellent chance to be looking for a new job come next January 5..

Hey Gov..how will that fit into your plans to be President...yep instead of moving up to that job-it looks like you might even set a record of being one of the shortest term Gov. in the history of the country..

Boy this think about how your name will go down in history..

Posted by: meyer390 | March 10, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember Ezra having any concerns when The US House and Senate railroaded the health care bill through against the support of American's. Things do look differently when your a lefty liberal.

Posted by: topgun97365 | March 10, 2011 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I think there is a good 50/50 chance Walker will be recalled in a year. This isn't the last of Wisconsin or Walker. There's a 50% chance he won't because until now, Americans have had the attention span of gnat. There is a 50% chance he will be recalled because this success insures that they will continue to swing for the fences. Republicans won't be able to contain their greed and Wisconsin voters will no doubt get fed up with even more tax break giveaways to businesses which do not make Wisconsin a mecca for jobs. All the breaks will just make Wisconsin more broke.

Poor political instincts in voters got this country what it has now...greed on steroids. I think, possibly more than anyplace else, Wisconsin has the independent and the history to recognize a mistake and correct it. When they lose teachers and good middle class paychecks, it will be more than the union worker who notices the difference.

Posted by: dogdiva | March 10, 2011 8:23 AM | Report abuse

So, Republicans pulled a Democrat-like move and you're upset?

Like they say, elections have consequences. Get over it.

Posted by: wearedoomed1 | March 10, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I am addressing this to someone who actually knows, not the left-wing political bloggers who pretend to know. Is it true that, under the union contract with WI public service employees, if they receive a two minute telephone call after the normal working hours that is remotely related to work, they can charge 1/2 hour overtime?

Posted by: bethg1841 | March 10, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

The cowardly fleebaggers were outfoxed, outflanked and totally bamboozled. I guess they will think twice before going AWoL again. I hope the Obamacrats' recall efforts fall flat.

Wisconsinites voted in a group of adults to fix their fiscal mess and now they seem to be backsliding into their old, sociaistic ways again. I guess the seriousness of the Republican effort is scaring the old cheeseheads.

Some smarmy, Obamacrat, media bobblehead described Wisconsin Walker as a "minor leaguer". If a "minor leaguer" can get the liberals' panties in such a knot, imagine what a Republican major leaguer could do to them.

Posted by: battleground51 | March 10, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The magnificent irony of this event and others like it is that the Republicans have learned most of their parlimentary tricks from the Democrats and.....

.....turnabout is fair play.

It really scorches the liberals' fuzzy, little rear-ends when their own tricks are used against them.

They screech like a chorus of scalded cats.

It's music to a conservatives ears.

Posted by: battleground51 | March 10, 2011 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Democrats "suddenly" found themselves with favorable media coverage?
All Democrats have had that in the bank for 50 years, led by the leftist Washington Post.

Posted by: bobdame | March 10, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

@pseudonymousinnc

"Poor little staticvars is still sore at getting screwed over by his bosses and looking for scapegoats.
And Ezra continues to attract the dumbest trolls around."

I actually run a small business. I put a huge amount toward the employees' retirement funds- in their own accounts, where no one can steal it from them. I put the money there now- not a promise to pay them in 40 years, when I'll be nearly. There is no investment with guaranteed returns, and many pension fund managers promise 7-8% to get their deals. No future republican governors can steal it from them...

Also, odds are my IQ far exceeds yours, but maybe if you are confused enough to believe that defined benefit pensions are a good idea, we should just pity you rather than rubbing it in. The smart democrats are dogs with a hue of blue...

Posted by: staticvars | March 10, 2011 9:10 AM | Report abuse

GlobalNomad:
"In many companies, workers are forced to give $$$ every pay check to PACS, which then lobby for business interests... "

Please, do share who some of these 'many companies' are. I've worked in the private sector for several large corporations over a period of a couple decades, and not once have I ever heard of this happening.

The only places I know of where workers are routinely fleeced for involuntary 'donations' (read: dues) that are redirected to the coffers of politicians and lobbyists who work in direct opposition to many of those workers values is within the labor union world."

I work for Bank of America where we are routinely fleeced to contribute to a PAC.

Want to read about the corrupt things our PAC does? They are spending my money year after year to buy legislators who will pass laws favorable to the Banksters:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/12/bank-of-america-spending-riches-to.html

Fleeced by a PAC

Posted by: GlobalNomad | March 10, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Walker did not "kill his career" as people are saying. I'm sure he knows he will rake it in on Faux news, massaging Kochs, (or driving them around). All he needs to do if visit his nightstand and pick up the green.

Posted by: whereareweandwhatarewedoinginthishandbasket | March 10, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I watched the video last night of how the Rep. pushed through their agenda; I watched and heard how they refused to answer the one Dem.'s questions and spoke over him and voted while he was still speaking about how they were violating state law. I witnessed the abrogation of the rule of law.

I witnessed the beginning of the death of democracy in America and the beginning of the rule of plutocracy.

America, democracy is under attack.

God help America.

Posted by: abbydelabbey | March 10, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I am not sure that this guarantees that Scott Walker will be a one-term Governor. I live in a really, really, really, conservative area of Wisconsin. Thousands of people attend Tea Party rallies. They all vote for horrifying candidates who all win. They will all vote in every election to make sure that unions, gay marriage, and reproductive freedoms are soundly defeated and handgun rights are upheld. They are scary people. Don't underestimate them.

Posted by: foxtrot1 | March 10, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

@abbydelabbey says "I witnessed the beginning of the death of democracy in America and the beginning of the rule of plutocracy.

America, democracy is under attack.

God help America."

Welcome back to the United States. While you were visiting Mars, or asleep under a rock someplace, Obama and the democrats rammed through a healthcare bill requiring every American to purchase health insurance. Somehow, you seem to be ok with that? Are you insane? Did you happen to notice the "democratic" way that bill was passed? Somehow, when your tactics get used against you, you don't like it so much. Imagine that.

Posted by: surferlou | March 10, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I would love it if someone would address the practical implications of this bill. Does it mean that public sector employees of WI now have the right to bargain as individuals for their benefits, or have they lost all right to bargain? And how are they going to implement either of those changes? How are school districts to know that they are likely to lose their best teachers over poor benefits if they can't talk to them about it?

All politics aside, the bill seems like a logistical nightmare.

Posted by: sahmt00 | March 10, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

How do you know that this story has a long way to go?

When there are hundreds of comments from trolls that come flooding in to celebrate and dance in the end zone.

It is much like what happened after the election of Scott Walker, when the opponents of the PPACA were 100% certain the bill was dead and buried. A few weeks later, it was signed into law.

The happier the troll, the more likely it will be that he or she will wind up wearing egg on his or her face.

Posted by: Patrick_M | March 10, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

So glad I don't live in Wisconsin, never seen so many :SCABS" in one place. I guess they were born on the farm and never had a reason to leave it to see what goes on in the real world.

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | March 10, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I've already donated toward recall the Republican efforts and I plan to boycott anything made by Koch Brothers under the Georgia Pacific brand in terms of doing my small part. People should be marching on Washington, next. The only thing Republicans are interested in is ruining this country.

Posted by: zorro2 | March 10, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@abbydelabbey says "I witnessed the beginning of the death of democracy in America and the beginning of the rule of plutocracy".
I find it shocking that people are upset about what happened last night in Wisconsin. Democrats decided that procedurally they were within their rights to shirk their duties and leave the state so as to avoid placing their votes. After weeks of pandering to Democrats who would all be fired from any normal corporation for dereliction of duty, they decided to use a legitimate procedure so that they could get on with their jobs. Instead of being upset with what the republicans have done maybe they should be upset with their senators for not properly representing them!!!

Posted by: kmg321 | March 10, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

We really must hand it to the Wisconsin GOP - Unions haven't had this much positive PR in a generation.

For all you commenters who think what the vote last night in Wisconsin is a big win for the GOP - think again. Wisconsin is now faced with a year of recall activity and when dust clears, the Democrats will be back in control of the legislature and Scott Walker will be facing his own recall.

Nationally, the news media confuses the uproar in Wisconsin as a straightforward battle between the forces pro-union versus anti-union.

This uproar however is much more. Voters in Wisconsin have discovered that their Governor and Legislature have been unduly influenced by a small group of ultra-rich right wingers known for dirty tricks, anti-worker rights and a stunningly poor record of wide-spread pollution.

The voters in Wisconsin now realize that their GOP controlled Executive and Legislative Branches has been bought and paid for by Koch Industries. This revelation has a led to continued waves of outrage. The sense that the "average Joe" can live, work and play on a level playing field with person of wealth have disappeared. The ease of access that a Koch impersonator get's through on the phone to Governor Scott while tens of thousands of citizens are locked out of the capital and the underhanded legislative tricks performed by the GOP are testaments to the ugly truth: the game is rigged.

With this truth exposed, the voters of Wisconsin have duly noted that the puppet masters behind the curtain are targeting unions. Therefore, the voters of Wisconsin will support unions. The voters of Wisconsin will also toss out the current batch of paid for politicians.

Nobody likes to play, and lose, in a rigged game.

Posted by: NeuronFlash | March 10, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

SWAMPYPD I'm a native Wisconsinite and the state is filled with decent hard-working tax-paying people, so you wouldn't fit in anyway.

It's just amazing that Wisconsin's public union workers under the NEW dispensation passed last night still have the right to collective bargaining for their wages, which the Indonesian Imbecile's USG does not grant to its workers.

Democracy is alive & well in Wisconsin, where the one poll that counts took place last November and where hysterical out-of-state goons & thugs like SWAMPYPD are few and far-between.

Posted by: djman1141 | March 10, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

No matter what one thinks about the wisdom of curbing collective bargaining rights, from the beginning, there should have been a vote. In a Democracy, we vote ... even if one does not like the outcome, you still hold the vote. So while I am not a Republican, I admit that Dems behaved very badly by failing to show up for a vote. ti wasn't principled, it was childish. They were thwarting democracy simply because they knew they would not get there way. That's undemocratic, and demagogic. If any side thwarts the Democratic process by refusing to show up for a vote, they show themselves unfit for elected office, and should be removed from that office.

Posted by: SFreason | March 10, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Why have the educators of our children suddenly become these viles, evil, greedy demons? That's how they're portrayed.
Why are the firemen and policeofficers the enemy to the wisconsin legislators.
Unions are people, teachers unions, police, fire. You know the people who run into your burning house, and go chasing down the murderers.
Evil cops, evil teachers, evil greedy unions?
And you who support the wisconsin legislators apparently hate your cops and teachers.

Posted by: kassidyyates | March 10, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Why have the educators of our children suddenly become these viles, evil, greedy demons? That's how they're portrayed.
Why are the firemen and policeofficers the enemy to the wisconsin legislators.
Unions are people, teachers unions, police, fire. You know the people who run into your burning house, and go chasing down the murderers.
Evil cops, evil teachers, evil greedy unions?
And you who support the wisconsin legislators apparently hate your cops and teachers.

Posted by: kassidyyates | March 10, 2011 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"I put a huge amount toward the employees' retirement funds- in their own accounts, where no one can steal it from them."

Well, good for you. I take it that you're the co-signer, though, right?

"odds are my IQ far exceeds yours"

Oh, there's fighting words. I'm not generally inclined to dick-waggling contests, but I'll take that bet. What are you prepared to put on it? Your pension?

Posted by: pseudonymousinnc | March 11, 2011 12:38 AM | Report abuse

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