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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 02/19/2008

Obama's 'Weatherman' Connection

By Michael Dobbs


Chicago Police photos of William Ayers in 1968

"William Ayers, in the age of terrorism, will be Barack Obama's Willie Horton."
--Former counterterrorism official Larry C. Johnson, The Huffington Post, Feb. 16, 2008.

There has been a sudden spate of blog items and newspaper articles, mainly in the British press, linking Barack Obama to a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers, now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times in September 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough."

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

Is there anything here that raises questions about Obama's judgment or is this just another example of guilt by association?

The Facts

The first article in the mainstream press linking Obama to Ayers appeared in the London Daily Mail on February 2. It was written by Peter Hitchens, the right-wing brother of the left-wing firebrand turned Iraq war supporter, Christopher Hitchens. Hitchens cited the Ayers connection to bolster his argument that Obama is "far more radical than he would like us to know."

The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican attack machine." Larry Johnson, a former counterterrorism official at the CIA and the State Department, predicted that the Republicans would seize on the Ayers case, and other Chicago relationships, to "bludgeon Obama's presidential aspirations into the dust."

The London Sunday Times joined the chorus this weekend by reporting that Republicans were "out to crush Barack by painting him as a leftwinger with dubious support".

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

In the short term, the person who has most to gain by speculation about Obama's acquaintance with a former terrorist is Hillary Clinton. The former First Lady likes to present herself as "tested and vetted" after years of exposure to Republican attacks, in contrast to Obama, a relative newcomer to hardscrabble presidential politics. Such arguments resonate with Johnson, the counterterrorism expert, who told me that he is a Clinton supporter, although not involved with the campaign.

But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one. As Newsday pointed out, Clinton has her own, also tenuous, Weatherman connection. Her husband commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board. The president of the Woods Fund, Deborah Harrington, said he had been selected for the board because of his solid academic credentials and "passion for social justice."

"This whole connection is a stretch," Harrington told me. "Barack was very well known in Chicago, and a highly respected legislator. It would be difficult to find people round here who never volunteered or contributed money to one of his campaigns."


The Pinocchio Test

The question is not whether a connection can be established between Barack Obama and a former member of the Weathermen, but whether it has any significance for the 2008 presidential campaign. Could Bill Ayers become a political embarrassment for Obama? Let me know what you think.

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By Michael Dobbs  | February 19, 2008; 6:00 AM ET
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Six degrees of separation type connection. I have done community work locally with individuals I barely knew and found out later that they had previous criminal records. Now if I run for office will I be guilty by association? With this kind of logic serving diner at a soup kitchen can be politically damning act.

Posted by: case.boone | February 18, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Since when is Hyde Park "trendy"? You might want to get a better handle on those evasive social facts, Mr. Fact Checker.

Posted by: oops? | February 18, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

long live the weatherman. i think this may actually help him with some friends of mine...

Posted by: jonny five | February 18, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Another false attack perpectuated by conservative and Hillary wingnuts. I suppose being on the same board means you are guilty of offence commited by your board colleague. What a joke? How about Hillary's relationship with wal mat? or McCain relation with defense industry... I can go on and on.

As far as i can tell, this is no story and it is part of politics as usual.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 18, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

So Obama is guilty by association of having been connected to the Weathermen at age 8, and of plagiarizing a close friend's use of quotes.

And exactly how was it that Hillary's subpoenaed billing records turned up on the hall table in the White House the day after the statute of limitations expired on the subpoena?

And whose ethics need vetting?

Posted by: Ethical questioner | February 18, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course this is ridiculous. I hope he has had many conversations with Bill Ayers. Prof Ayers is a leader in school improvement. Read his bio. He is a distinguished professor at a major University and has contributed a lot to the field of education. The Woods Fund is a foundation that supports grassroots change efforts. Its an admirable foundation. This and the plagarism charge demonstrate who is acting like politics as usual. Can it get anymore stupid? I am afraid so.

Posted by: Grateful Dave | February 18, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry...And, I don't mean to appear dismissive, but honestly, this has neither logical, nor emotional "legs" to it.

You're just pointing out the obvious. Namely, that people who with backgrounds, which may be displeasing, even onerous, may live amongst and work amongst us.

Heck, Communists were part of the American Civil Rights movement - and MLK, Jr. addressed them openly, according to veteran journalist accounts, the mafia [still] tithes to the Vatican, and men of a similar nature contributed to Mother Theresa's work in India and abroad. So what??

Maybe we should begin investigating Bill Clinton...again...because of your research. This is, honestly, not extremely insightful nor is it clever.

You just make Hillary and any of her supporters look like they're/we're grasping at straws and can't beat Obama on the issues alone or "the merits of her case" to become the first woman-, and next, President of the United States of America.

Posted by: Unconvinced | February 18, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

This is exactly why some people say Obama is less electible. Because there are many things about him to explore.

Not because I think this wetherman thing is anything important or Democratic voters care. Because Republican has thrown anything they could to Clintons in the past, and they have run out of ideas.

They have lost to them twice, they know how resilient they are.

Posted by: JJ | February 18, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

that is not even worth mentioning. If you want to address something factual and of substance, write about the Keating Five.

In 1989, the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, Calif., collapsed. Lincoln's chairman, Charles H. Keating Jr., was faulted for the thrift's failure. Keating, however, told the House Banking Committee that the FHLBB and its former chief Edwin J. Gray were pursuing a vendetta against him. Gray testified that several U.S. senators had approached him and requested that he ease off on the Lincoln investigation. It came out that these senators had been beneficiaries of $1.3 million (collective total) in campaign contributions from Keating.

This allegation set off a series of investigations by the California government, the United States Department of Justice, and the Senate Ethics Committee. The ethics committee's investigation focused on five senators: Alan Cranston (D-CA); Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ); John Glenn (D-OH); John McCain (R-AZ); and Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (D-MI), who became known as the Keating Five.

After months of testimony revealed that all five senators acted improperly to differing degrees, the senators continually said they were following the status quo of campaign funding practices. In August 1991, the committee concluded that Cranston, DeConcini, and Riegle's conduct constituted substantial interference with the FHLBB's enforcement efforts and that they had done so at the behest of Charles Keating. The committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for "questionable conduct."

As it happened, Cranston, who was nearly 80 years of age, had already decided not to run for re-election in 1992. DeConcini and Riegle continued to serve in the Senate until their terms expired, but they did not seek re-election in 1994. DeConcini was appointed by President Bill Clinton in February, 1995 to the Board of Directors of the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation.

Glenn did choose to run for re-election in 1992 and it was anticipated that he would have some difficulty winning a fourth term in the Senate. However, Glenn handily defeated Lieutenant Governor R. Michael DeWine for one more term in the Senate before retiring in 1999.

The scandal was followed by a number of attempts to adopt campaign finance reform--spearheaded by U.S. Sen. David Boren (D-OK)--but most attempts died in committee. A weakened reform was passed in 1993. Substantial campaign finance reform was not passed until the adoption of the McCain-Feingold Act in 2002.

The only member of the Keating Five still in the U.S. Senate is John McCain.

Posted by: Jeff | February 19, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Read the end of that 2001 NYT interview in which Ayers recites a quote. I don't pretend to understand Ayers's thinking in 2001, looking back on his earlier life, but I agree that hope and history can rhyme.

Some people, like the Weatherman in the 1970's, misunderstand that and move backwards by justifying violence and anger. It never works, of course.

Some people, smart people like Martin Luther King and Barack Obama, use it to move forwards by relying on love, forgiveness and working together for a better future.

Mr. Ayers quoted from "The Cure at Troy", Seamus Heaney's retelling of Sophocles' "Philoctetes":
"History says, Don't hope
On this side of the grave.
But then, once in a lifetime
The longed-for tidal wave
Of justice can rise up
And hope and history rhyme."

I think that some of the people we meet in life can help us reassess what we once thought was true. Perhaps that happened to Ayers when he got to know Obama. Anyone who believes in the parable of The Prodigal Son accepts that people can change, and we should welcome them back when they do. Anyone who would try to use this to attack Obama is simply Unclear ont he Concept. Totally.

Posted by: Tom J | February 19, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

So, Clinton has the same degree of tenuous connection? Yeah, I'll have to slap down a couple of right-wing trolls about this at some point in the general. No, it doesn't matter. As someone born in 1981, I have about a one sentence description of this group in my head. Someone realizes they were wrong and moves on, it's decades later, who cares?

Posted by: John M. | February 19, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse

All I can say is, You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
It's encouraging to see that this is apparently the best that Obama's critics can come up with. He might just end up President.

Posted by: cronopio | February 19, 2008 3:31 AM | Report abuse

What do I think?

I think most of your "fact checks" are about Dems.

I think you're doing your usual partisan hack job.

I think it's bizarre that the WaPo puts your little propaganda pulpit in under the title of "Fact Checker."

Posted by: Paulie200 | February 19, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

This kind of dirt is typical "Little Golden Book" of Rove smear tactics. In a nutshell, the Conservative mindset is determined by a small area of the brain that adapts to change, and is shrunken in size witin walmart Republicans. Within a Nazi Party hieararchy , the current party officials would still be high ranking officials.Within a Baath party realm the same mindset would propel similar temperaments to high party realms. True interest in Liberty is totally lacking in the rareified domains of the upper crust.

Posted by: chris bostrom | February 19, 2008 4:49 AM | Report abuse

Reductio absurdus!! How about that pizza delivery man twelve years ago who had had his driver's license revoked? Or the hotel maid in Manhattan who cleaned his room in 1998 was an undocumented alien? Tch, tch. Then there's that book he checked out at Occidental College about a notorious revolutionary in a British colony in 1776, one G. Washington. Get to work, you slackers, you operation researchers, you worms who troll for dirt in sewers.

Posted by: Dana Mooring | February 19, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

a whole can of worms will open if/when obama gets nomination. He will be such damaged material he might win half a dozen states.

Posted by: billary | February 19, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse

"Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?"

Let me get this straight, Washington Post. Barak is immune from the Republican attack machine because Bill commuted someone's sentences in 2001, and Hillary is married to Bill?

Spare me the pillow talk.

The shine is about to be unceremoniously stripped off Obama by the Repubs, and all the Obamaphiliacs can do is blame Bill.

Oh, this election is going to be good.

Posted by: JDS | February 19, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

It's not only slash & burn politics as usual... it's the press as usual, too. Nothing to write, so they write about nothing. The Fact Checker, included. I can't believe you're asking "Could Bill Ayers become a political embarrassment for Obama?" when you already know the answer. It's irrelevant.

Posted by: Sam | February 19, 2008 5:46 AM | Report abuse

Who are the Weathermen? I'm 43 and I have no clue. How is that expected to resonate with me, except that Hillary flunkies are slinging dirt again.

Posted by: Linda A. | February 19, 2008 5:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that there is anything there, but I do agree with Hillary that Obama will not be able to withstand the Republican smear and attack machine. He constantly whines about having to debate both Hillary and Bill now, and I see him as too soft(and I am a lifelong moderate Democrat) and too far to the left.
The Republicans will shred him.

Posted by: CR | February 19, 2008 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Run anything up the flag pole to see if it works. Sounds like Rove

Posted by: Ron | February 19, 2008 6:00 AM | Report abuse

This has far less to do with any Ayers bombing than it does with Hillary's campaign bombing.

Posted by: OD | February 19, 2008 6:02 AM | Report abuse

Okay...let's see...Congress was purposely misdirected by the President of the United States, which is a convictable felony and an impeachable offense, Hillary has had her share of scandals and continues to be secretive about her taxes and of any record associated to 8 of the 35 years of experience she claims....and then in a period of one week, when a certain candidate had announced she would be going after Barack Obama, the news is filled with Obama using a phrase of his best friend and then is accused of associations with Ayers?!! Is THIS what you call vetting?! I believe it is called doing anything possible to bring any negative conotation to an opponent, no matter how petty. I was never a Hillary hater and respected Bill and read his writings...until this campaign. I see now, why the Reps despised him and her...I see the lowlife scumsucking bottom feeding sharks that they are. Can I trust her in the Whitehouse? Heck no! I will vote McCain over her.
I only hope that today is a landmark day for Obama and that he wins Wisconsin. I want to see this party distance themselves as much as possible from Hillary. She is bad for the party and bad for this country.
I think it is funny how the Republicans want Huckabee to 'just leave already' and the Dems have the same situation with Hillary.
Go Obama. Yes We Can!

Posted by: Alan Herman | February 19, 2008 6:10 AM | Report abuse

If you're the "Fact Checker," you would do well to get the name of the organization correct. It was called The Weather Underground, not the Weathermen Underground.

Posted by: Thomas J. | February 19, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

My neighbors friends sisters friends cousin said that his next door neighbors brothers uncles daughter said that she saw Hillary injecting Heroin with Rush Limbaugh in the parking lot of Fair Oaks Mall this last Thursday.
Can someone do a fact check on this please?

When you are at the bottom and you are evil, to use the weakest oppo such as the kindergarten report, the plagerizing or this Ayers propoganda, shows how low they are and how low they will go.

Posted by: Sheesh | February 19, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Ah, guilt by association without the association. Does Hillary Clinton really want to bring up the topic of shady donors?

Posted by: aleks | February 19, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

In a way this is encouraging.

For the anti-Obama movement to be sinking to the very bottom of the barrel this early in the process is an indicator of how desperate they are and how empty their quiver is.

Yesterday there was a crude attempt to actually take a word out of Michelle Obama's mouth. There was a video circulating where a word was edited out of the audio track to attempt to make her look like a long-time America hater.

These sorts of incidents are humorous distractions and will have no effect at all on the outcome of the primaries and the election.

-Wexler

Posted by: William W. Wexler | February 19, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

I like how the Fact Checker can't resist getting in on the Clinton-sliming with this helpful suggestion (not a quote; this rhetorical question is direct from the reporter):

"Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?"

Posted by: Seth | February 19, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Fact Check: "Trendy" Hyde Park? I don't think so.

Posted by: ethan | February 19, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't think this "article" was worth the ink (digital or otherwise) it was printed with.

I haven't decided on who I'll vote for yet, but this is rediculous. Do you think Obama, or anybody on his staff, researches each of the thousands of sub-$500 donations that he gets? I'm sure the same holds true for all the candidates.

And being on the same Board? That's really stretching it! That's a kin to saying that you hold the same values as everybody that you work with. Ridiculous!

This typical Washington political hacking is what we need a change from!

Posted by: David | February 19, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Remember the Bob Dylan video (except they weren't called videos then) where he held the cards with the song's lines on them and threw them down as he sang them? Maybe someone could do that with Team Clinton's various attacks. Too black, too white, too left, too right - they'll try anything.

I doubt anything will ever surpass Kindergate though. Criticising someone for wanting to be President as a young child is pretty hilarious. Or Hillary-ous.

Posted by: Tom J | February 19, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

More corrupt camp donations for Obama! WHERES THE MEDIA??? We are sick of the media pushing obama down our throats! on Oct. 5, in the aftermath of federal bribery/extortion/conspiracy/other miscellaneous badness indictments of former Dallas Mayor Pro Tem Don Hill , Obama camp supporter and financial contributor to Presidential candidate Barrack Obama who desperately wants campaign cash from another, criminal or not, Again Obama camp has its hands full with other publically indicted bankrollers Rezko. Now Mr. Hill's campaign finance report shows donations on April 28, and federal campaign finance reports indicate Mr. Obama received donations in June 22 as well. The Obama camp couldn't immediately be reached for comment Friday...Of Couse, did axelrod loose his voice?
Obama's Relationship With Rezko Goes Back 17 Years. Obama Kept Contributions From Accused Fixer's (REZKO)Wife And Others ABCNews.com Analysis Shows the Campaign Still Hasn't Returned More Than $100,000 in Obama is referred to in document which outlines case against Rezko As Barack Obama is finding out, it's not as easy to dump politically toxic campaign donations as it might seem. For the third time in more than a year, Obama's presidential campaign announced this week it was shedding more donations tied to indicted fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko. Calculations by the media and Obama's own staff of Rezko's financial impact on his past political campaigns have been all over the map and shifting. In the case of Obama, public records don't make clear every Rezko connection. The records show that since 1995, $74,500 came from Rezko, his relatives or contributors listed on official disclosure forms as employees of one of his businesses. Rezko has raised money for Obama's presidential campaign.

Various media outlets have reported much larger numbers, though they haven't clearly explained their methodology. The New York Times has pegged Rezko political cash for Obama at $150,000, the Sun-Times at $168,000 and the Los Angeles Times at $200,000. Last weekend, a report by ABCNews.com suggested more than $185,000. The event at Rezko's home resembled a posh dinner party, complete with valet parking and catered dinner. Obama spoke after the meal, and told the crowd about how when he was still in Harvard law school Rezko, a developer, had tried to hire him. Obama staffers set up shop around the kitchen table, where they collected checks.

One donor at the event was Michael Sreenan, a former attorney for a Rezko company. Sreenan gave Obama $2,000 that night, but hasn't heard if the campaign now plans to give it away.

Still, Sreenan said he was baffled by the notion of giving money raised at Rezko's home to charity. "If [Obama] wants to give my donation back to me or let me give it to a charity, I'm fine with that," he said. "But I don't see how this makes a difference now -- the money still got him elected. And how do I know it's not going to a charity that's offensive to me?"
Barack Obama has surfaced in the federal corrupton case against his longtime campaign fund-raiser, Tony Rezko Obama's relationship with Rezko came under greater scrutiny this week after prosecutors disclosed Rezko received $3.5 million from an Iraqi billionaire while claiming to be broke. He was jailed on Monday and a federal judge on Tuesday refused to reinstate his bond.

Posted by: rozz62 | February 19, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

To Obama fans, keep all these dismissive statements handy because if your guy gets the Democratic nomination, you're going to have to defend him every day. The US press has been very remiss in not publishing areas where Senator Obama is vulnerable. They know them, they just choose to ignore them because they supported him early on. It took the London press to print something questioning Senator Obama's electability. The US press, unlike you, will ditch him quickly when he becomes too "soiled" so you'll have to be his sole defenders soon.

Posted by: hpmoyer | February 19, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

So far, the only real "attack machine" that's geared up and teed off at Obama is Hillary Clinton's attack machine. Is she a Republican? Or maybe she's got Karl Rove on retainer because most of her tactics have the same smelly signature as Rove's. Doesn't the Fact Checker have something worthwhile to do today other than muck around in the sand to see if maybe one grain of sand in Obama's path might have come from the shoe of someone else with a past?

This is the "business as usual" mentality that Obama is campaigning against. The Fact Checker simply elevates Obama's argument; it does not diminish the man, not in the least.

Posted by: windrider | February 19, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

The measure of Hillary's desperation is the depth of her surrogates' plunge into dirt and the proximity to the next round of voting.

Posted by: FirstMouse | February 19, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

What utter nonsense. It seems to me some pinocchios are warrented here. The claim by Hitchens that this tenuous connection proves that Obama is "far more radical than he would like us to know" is a lie. That is the essence of this claim.

Posted by: Tim | February 19, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

The point is not whether the stories are true or unfair - remember John Kerry's very real war record. The point is that Obama has enough in his past for the GOP Rove Smear Machine to use against him for years to come. I repeat, it does not have to be true or fair for the GOP to distort, lie and smear.

Posted by: DHaskins | February 19, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

THERE IS NO CHANGES WITH OBAMA EXCEPT THE MEDIAS HELP AT HIDING HIS RECORD OF SUPPORTING THE WAR AND BUSH. WHAT OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE AFRAID TO REALIZE. "Senator Obama has some questions to answer about his dealings with one of his largest contributors, Exelon, a big nuclear power company. Apparently he cut some deals behind closed doors to protect them from full disclosure in the nuclear industry."Obamas record shows he supports the war, voted twice in 2006 against bringing America's troops back home. He voted for war appropriations giving our money to Halliburton and Blackwater. His latest bit of posturing S 433 allows the Bush Administration to suspend any troop withdrawal!!!!if not suspended, still keeps the troops in Iraq for a long time to come? Obama when faced with tough choices always gave in to pressure from the Bush administration or corporate lobbyists. Such as Obama voted for Bush's energy bill, sending more than $13 billion in subsidies and tax breaks to oil, coal, and nuclear companies. Obama voted with Republicans to allow credit card companies to raise interest rates over 30 percent, INCREASING STUDENT LOANS RATES AND FEES increasing hardship for families. Obama voted for one of Bush's top priorities - expanding Nafta to South America - even as President Bush obstructed all the top Democratic priorities. Obama voted with Bush to make it harder for ordinary people to hold big corporations accountable when they do things like sell toxic toys, poisonous pet food, human food or just plain rip you off. Obama was the Senate's biggest Democratic advocate of subsidies for liquid coal, even though liquid coal produces twice the global warming pollution of the crude oil it's meant to replace and voted for increased subsidies, albeit with conditions.Obama, a Hamiltonian believer in free trade and supporters of globalization has lent his support to the "Hamilton Project formed by corporate-neoliberal Citigroup chair Robert Rubin and other 'Wall Street Democrats' to counter populist rebellion against corporate tendencies within the Democratic Party. Obama provided assistance to pro-war candidates (such as Joe Lieberman). Obama voted for "business-friendly 'tort reform' bill that rolls back working peoples' ability to obtain reasonable redress and compensation...from corporations!!! Obama considers single payer universal health care too socialist and has stated that he prefers voluntary solutions. **He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive. Abortion opponents see Obama's vote on medical care for aborted fetuses as a refusal to protect the helpless. Some have even accused him of supporting infanticide. He supported allowing retired police officers to carry concealed weapons, but opposed allowing people to use banned handguns to defend against intruders in their homes. And the list of sensitive topics goes on. With only a slim, two-year record in the U.S. Senate, Obama doesn't have many controversial congressional votes which political opponents can frame into attack ads. But his eight years as an Illinois state senator are sprinkled with potentially explosive land mines, such as his abortion and gun control votes. recent land purchase from a political supporter who is facing charges in an unrelated kickback scheme involving investment firms seeking state business. Obama has no substance. He has provided no solutions.

Posted by: rozz62 | February 19, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

A smoking...water pistol.

Posted by: AverageJane | February 19, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

This is exactly WHY Obama is such a gamble. It's not what we know, it's what we don't know. And, let me say this: If the Republicans can carry out a 45 million dollar, multi year investigation about Whitewater, where at the end of the day nothing was found but it ran up legal bills for Bill Clinton, you bet your sweet bippy that this story has legs. And, it's only the beginning. It only took Willy Horton to ruin Dukakis. The problem for Obama, besides his TOTAL lack of experience and inability at substance, is this question about his past. Whitewater was a small land deal that went bad, very small land deal especially in light of Enron and WorldComm. But, that didn't stop the Right. Kerry was a war hero, a real war hero, but that didn't stop them either. Does anyone think this is harmless stuff for the right wing? I don't. I think all the right wing pundits (Brit Hume, Bill Kristol, etc.) are praising Obama because they already know this and realize how much easier it will be for Republicans to beat Obama with stories like this. And, I might remind the readers, this is ONE of MANY. If Obama gets the nomination, I already know McCain will get the White House, that is foregone conclusion. I only hope the Democrats get 60 seats in the Senate, that will help. The left has never chosen a Democratic candidate that can win. Obama will be no exception, and it's too bad. But once again, the Democrats have been blinded by the left. Think 1972. McGovern

Posted by: polcomm | February 19, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Give me a break. I am sure we can find some fugitive Nazis in John McCain's list of campaign donors.

Posted by: bradcpa | February 19, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Utterly ridiculous. I see the hand of the Clinton campaign behind this.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 19, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Maybe if I had health insurance, a real pension and a few million in the bank, I'd care who did what in the Sixties. I'd care who sat on what board with whom. The country has issues and if the political establishment thinks another campaign of petty personal attacks is what we're looking for, they're wrong. My advice to the consultants out there digging for dirt is this: Grow up. We're not all that stupid.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 19, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

"We're not all that stupid."

If only that were true. If only people supported candidates based on the total candidate rather than the color of the skin or the gender or the person that the elite press favors. That's not the case and it is sad that those favoring Senator Obama have not made an effort to know who he really is. I believe they'll find out eventually who he is but it will be too late for them. I understand why 90 percent of black voters, male and female, are supporting Senator Obama. He's one of them. That's all they see. With the exception of the black voters, Senator Clinton consistently gets the majority of the Democratic voters. Senator Obama gets the votes of Republicans and Independents voting in the Democratic primaries and caucuses. Why do you think they're doing that? Because they're supporting the most liberal US senator? I think not.

Posted by: hpmoyer | February 19, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I can see it now. Bill and Hillary, doing what they do best, making up lies and leaning on weak media contacts to print them.

The upside to this story is that it appears that most voters are beyond buying into this crap.

Posted by: T.C. | February 19, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

michael -- thank you for actually backtracking and explaining the origination and how this issue filters up.

it's a ridiculous charge.

Posted by: linda | February 19, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

You Clintonistas are making me laugh out loud.

I hear a lot of predictions about things that could be unearthed if Obama wins the nomination. I hear no facts, though... and everyone knows that if you had facts you'd be using them.

Hillary, on the other hand, has been exposed as a fraud, opportunist, and liar time and time again. Somehow, the implication seems to be that since she's already been tarred and feathered that she has somehow gotten through the storm and none of this stuff will ever be mentioned again. Is this wishful thinking or just plain stupidity?

She is the second most divisive figure in American politics in my lifetime. The most divisive is George Dubya. She loses the election against McCain handily; she is not going to win the nomination even though she is attempting to steal it using what Obama correctly referred to as tactics you couldn't even get away with on a schoolyard.

Sheer desperation.... Obama is rolling over Hillary like a giant steamroller and he's doing it with positive politics, real ideas, and a promise to change business as usual. Hillary doesn't stand a chance against the truth.

-Wexler

Posted by: William W. Wexler | February 19, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't think this issue will hold up, seems pretty minor. However, it does point out the lack of scrutiny on Obama todate, and therefore his vulnerability to "Swift Boat" attacks.

More serious to me are his connections to Rev Wright who espouses black superiority and anti-semitism. That needs to be explored so get on it more deeply fact checker!!!

Posted by: Mondegreenie | February 19, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, didn't I see them both on a swift boat somewhere...?

Posted by: Mobedda | February 19, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

There is one real significant issue between the two remaining Democratic front runners, Mrs. Clinton's claim of superior relevant experience. The Obama campaign tends to suggest that her experience was largely ceremonial as First Lady, and that her career before 1992 included a long stretch as a corporate lawyer. The Obama campaign would also have us believe that his service as a state legislator and community organizer was as or more relevant than Mrs. Clinton's service on the Board of Wall-Mart and/or as the Governor's wife in Arkansas. Seems like that area of disagreement might provide a substantive field for investigation as opposed to this drivel.

Posted by: WHEN | February 19, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters should understand that us folks supporting Obama aren't doing so because we think he has more experience than Clinton.

We support Obama because he's not corrupt like Clinton, he's not a fake like her either.

We want the liars and greedy politicians to be on notice that we are all tired of the b.s.

What's most evident about Obama, is that he's a man of great candor.

Posted by: Tyler | February 19, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

This story has been on the front page for a couple of hours at least.

Do you think someone could correct the headline? As a previous poster pointed out, it's "Weather Underground", not "Weatherman". If you want weathermen, turn on The Weather Channel.

What connection to black supremacists are you talking about?, Monde? That story has been thoroughly debunked.

Seems like what we've got going on here is a concerted attempt to throw anything at Obama to create the impression of impropriety where none exists.

Posted by: William W. Wexler | February 19, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Hillary did not bring this up, don't you people read

Posted by: Anonymous | February 19, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

This sort of attack is why I voted for Obama in the South Carolina primary;"POLITICS AS USUAL". The ordinary citizens is not privy to all that goes on in Washington, and do not understand how Washington works. Most Americans can't locate all 50 states on a map, so they(media and the Clinton machine) feed us anything about Obama because they know most of us are ignorant to Washington!

Posted by: Roslyn | February 19, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

This is over the top, even for a joke like fact-checker. Does the Washington Post feel that no journalistic standards whatsoever apply to blogs?

Posted by: Tom S | February 19, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

so right mondegreenie.. Obamas refusal to condemn these black leaders some who are friends and/ or supporters with anti semtisism, racial divisive teachings are far more revealing. He has to account for this

Posted by: billary | February 19, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Even Mr. Dobbs, whose rhetoric betrays where his true sentiment lies, must be aware that the presence of Mr. Ayers anywhere near 1000-mile radius of Mr. Obama poses the danger of radioactive fallout to Mr. Obama's candidacy. Indeed, Mr. Dobbs knows well why Mr. Ayers did not return his call. After all, a man who only in 2001, after having attained his social "respectability," said, "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough," deserves to lose his social respectability by just about any American standards, except the Weatherman's.

Apparently Mr. Ayers hasn't really grown out of the violent ideology of his impetuous youth, but at least he is wise enough not to wish to appear in front of anything, knowing fully well that the limelight will surely result in his having been hounded out of whatever it is that he is now doing by public outrage. But that is a stage act to follow with much fanfare and fireworks in October, not now.

To be sure, Mr. Obama's "suspected" Weatherman connection has nothing to do with his being an 8-year-old boy tucked away in a Third World school in Indonesia when Weatherman terrorist bombs were exploding in America, but it could have everything to do with where the root of Mr. Obama's ideology might lie or, more importantly, is assumed to lie by his detractors.

In this regard, Mr. Obama's favorable view in his autobiography of such radical, anti-West ideologues as Frantz Fanon and Malcolm X, who advocated violent revolution against white West and who undoubtedly inspired violent revolutionaries such as the Weathermen and the Cuban communist revolutionary Che Guevara, does not help, and certainly it will be construed by his detractors as establishing a crucial, "evidential link" between the revolutionary rhetoric of the Weatherman and Mr. Obama, with his praise for Frantz Fanon--one of the most visible progenitors of anti-white, anti-West, pro-socialist Third World revolutionary ideology--flying like a red flag. An unfortunate youthful ideological infatuation, perhaps, but like any unwise love affair, it will come to haunt Mr. Obama.

This is but just one of the perils (others being race and religion) that Obama candidacy poses to Democrats that Republicans are well equipped to exploit after this August regardless of the Fact Checker's advocacy for Mr. Obama. After all, it is not fact but passion aroused by various conflicting "facts" that fuels American politics. We have seen it played out too well with John Kerry's presidential candidacy: the candidacy that was haunted by the ghost of his Vietnam past--the ghost that was more real than fact. And Mr. Obama, in spite of his claim of a clean crypt, has many ghosts with fury even more potent yet to be unbound.

Posted by: Dr. Serendipitous | February 19, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I am sick of this type of reporting and exploitation by the parties. "They" don't get it do they? We are ripe for a thrid party!!! PUBLIC FUNDING ONLY for elections

Posted by: tami | February 19, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Of course now the Obama cultists say any accusations made against him are from the Clinton camp... get real you people. if hes nominated you "aint seen nothing yet" when the republicans chew him up. They are masters at it.

Posted by: billary | February 19, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

After the caucus in Iowa, the candidates in both political parties have modified their imagery. The candidates now present themselves as the "fresh face" of change. They know that most American voters are dumb, and the dumb voters use only imagery -- gotchas, glamor, and glitz -- and emotion to select the candidate.

In 2004, the dumb American voter used the same approach to give control of the government to Republicans advocating war on the cheap. The voter never questioned the voting records or the proposed policies of the candidates. The dumb voter looked only at the imagery. In 2004, the Republicans mastered the image game.

As the pro-war Republicans ascended to the Congress, the dumb voter cheered using a too small military force of 170,000 Western soldiers to occupy Iraq. The result was a horrific disaster. This war on the cheap displaced 4 million Iraqis. They are fully morally justified in seeking violent revenge against us Americans. Until the refugees start killing us Americans, the dumb American voter will continue to use the same dumb approach in selecting the next set of American politicians.

In 2008, the typical voter looks at his preferred candidate and thinks, "Gosh. His speech is really inspiring. He is the 'fresh face' of change. I do not know his voting record. I do not understand the proposed policies. But he sure has plenty of charisma. I feel great! I will vote for him!"

That is how a dummy acts and thinks. To the dummy, elections are just a game. You can easily see the game analogy as we transition from the Potomac Primary to the Wisconsin primary. Note the many news articles about "momentum". If a politician wins in Virginia, he will gain "momentum" to win in Wisconsin. This "momentum" is merely a desire by the voter to identify with the winning team. In sports, the fans of the game always want to identify with the winner.

Well, how does the smart voter act? A smart voter uses (1) the voting history, (2) the proposed policies, and (3) the ethical standards to select the candidate.

The remaining Democratic candidates are ethical. Use the following resources to obtain their voting history and their proposed policies.

1. projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/

2. politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/issues/index.html

Barack Obama strongly advocates a free-for-all guest-worker program. He wants to use government intervention to "fix" a labor shortage. This intervention suppresses wages and working conditions. (Read "The Economic Fallacies of Desperate Foreign Labor" @ http://theclearsky.blogspot.com/#70709516354357493 .)

He also opposes authorizing the use of force against a nation that (1) possesses weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), (2) does not directly threaten the USA, but (3) does threaten American interests (e.g., American allies).

By contrast, Hillary Clinton opposes a guest-worker program. She believes that a free market can fix a labor shortage. A free market fixes a labor shortage by boosting wages and improving working conditions (as any standard textbook on economic science will state) to attract more workers.

She supports authorizing the use of force against a nation that (1) possesses WMDs, (2) does not directly threaten the USA, but (3) does threaten American interests (e.g., American allies).

There are many other policy differences between Obama and Clinton. If a smart voter agrees with the voting record and proposed policies of Obama, then the voter should select Obama. If the smart voter agrees with the voting record and proposed policies of Clinton, then the voter should select Clinton.

Unfortunately, most of us American voters are dumb. We ignore the voting record and the proposed policies of the candidates. We dumb voters prefer to focus on emotion and imagery: gotchas, glamor, and glitz. The typical voter says, "If his speech makes me feel good, then I vote for him."

The typical voter thinks, "If I pick the worst candidate and if he wins the election, I am not responsible for his bad decisions. I am not responsible for the actions of the government." Wrong! In a democracy, the citizens -- the voters -- are 100% responsible for the actions of the government since the voters determine the direction of the government. When the government makes a tragic decision like the horrific occupation of Iraq, then the American people are fully responsible for the tragedy.

An election is not a game. The American voter must choose wisely.

The Iraqi refugees are very angry, and the dumb American voter is 100% responsible.

Posted by: reporter, USA, http://theclearsky.blogspot.com/ | February 19, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Why has the media NOT asked why the Clintons (including Hillary) have NOT released their tax statements since leaving the White House?..Am I wrong, have not both Obama and McCain released theirs?or questioned Bill Clinton's lucative deals with corporate America? and how many of those 'blue collar, lower income' voters (of which I am one) jobs were lost and too many sent overseas because of NFTA?..How many Americans lost their jobs because of NFTA?..I am an older, (much older) woman, an ardent feminist, grass roots Democratic activist..retired on a, believe me..far lower income than the 'under $50,000. yearly income that so many of the media say are solidy in Hillary's corner..and I voted twice and worked for Bill Clinton's election..and was so optimistic that
the word HOPE used over and over again was for real.....not this time!..so many pardons of less than savory charcters as Bill and Hillary left office..and millon dollar incomes since leaving office?
and to argue that the Clintons will be better candidates againt the Republicans in the Fall..because everyone already knows of their sometimes, in my opinion, questionable behavior both in and out offfice?..Ye Gods...are we once again to hold our noses and vote because our candidate has been 'vetted ' and the Republicans and the public KNOW of their behavior and actions?..and that our candidate may possibly be 'less' dishonest than their opponent?..Have we NOT had enough of this Washington Crowd? and I say that as someone who worked with, and for many of them..so tired of it all..Are we again seeing the same old Clinton insiders about to come to power again?..I am SO discouraged by all this. How difficult to explain the last couple of days to my teenage grandchildren.. no wonder so many people feel such sadness, despair, sorrow and concern over the future of our beloved Country. to hear a dear friend, who voted for the first time in many years in the Virginia primary, throw up her hands yesterday and say.."well, here we go again, same old same old'..nothing is going to change..

Posted by: Donna Quinta | February 19, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I doubt it's anything. But the Republicans will run with it in the General if Obama gets the nomination.
My guess is the British government and especially the Israeli government do not want Obama to be the US president. You'll probably see a lot more stories (true or not) coming from overseas newspapers.

Posted by: Trudi | February 19, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Again the typical smear campaign typical of the right. Did Bill or Hillary really just smoke marijuana without inhaling? Give me a break!

This is the worst type of new vetting I have ever heard!

Posted by: jerry rubin | February 19, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The Obama connection (or lack of) aside...If the weathermen admits to the bombs...why isn't he in jail?

Posted by: Trudi | February 19, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Donna, sorry, no self-respecting Democrat would be writing like you. You're not telling the truth. You sound like a real Republican.

Posted by: hpmoyer | February 19, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week pointing to the Ayers connection as support for Hillary Clinton's contention that Obama might not be able to withstand the "Republican attack machine."

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Key word I'm seeing in this is "Bloomberg article" (as in Mike Bloomberg's media empire)...running an article that Obama may not be able to withstand the Republcan attack machine? Probably just coinidence.

Posted by: Trudi | February 19, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for pointing out the correct name of the Weather Underground organization I have corrected it.

Posted by: Fact Checker | February 19, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Billary:
The country is in two wars, people cannot get affordable healthcare and the economy is going down the toilet while corporate execs make record profits, and you want him to condemn the actions of people who committed them when he was a child? Are you serious?

If you expect that kind of exacting attention from Obama, you certainly won't be voting for Clinton, since her foibles go way beyond this incident.

Besides, did you read the posting? He said he condemned the violence.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 19, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Other than providing the claim additional exposure, a typically worthless "fact checking" foray from Mr Dobbs.

It's just hard to believe this column represents the "fact checking" effort of a major news organization. Our public discourse is really going to hell in a handbasket and the campaign hasn't even started.

Posted by: zukermand | February 19, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Check your own facts. Hyde Park is NOT a trendy neighborhood.

Posted by: Dan Greenstone | February 19, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

This is from Larry Johnson, the terrorism expert?! I remember this guy very well. You know why I remember him? Well, remember TWA Flight 800 which exploded in a ball of fire over Long Island Sound in 1996 or so? I distinctly remember Larry Johnson, the terrorism expert, making the rounds of the networks on that first night, assuring us with all his authority that the ONLY thing that could make a ball of fire like that was a terrorist bomb that had been smuggled on board.

Of course now the "mainstream" explanation is that a fuel tank exploded due to an electrical malfunction, and if you don't like that, the leading alternative is that the Navy shot it down by mistake with a missile. No evidence for a terrorist bomb was ever discovered. Anyway, I said to myself at the time, "I'm going to remember the name of Larry Johnson for tne next time he resurfaces." And here he is!

I really love it how these pundits of terrorism can get news coverage any time they want to spin any theory they want.

Posted by: Pete Kimball | February 19, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

hp,

Just to clarify. My grandfather was a Democratic legislator. My father was a Democratic party activist. My mother was a follower of Dorothy Day.

If I'm a Republican, so is Hugo Chavez.

I voted for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 19, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS NOT THE MR. INNOCENT THAT YOU THINK HE IS.. even if there is no connection here, he is FAKE and people are buying his line of crap. Time to WAKE UP!

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | February 19, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

TONY REZKO.

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | February 19, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

** Man files Federal Lawsuit against Obama regarding GAY sexual act and drug use claims **
A man named Larry Sinclair posted a video to YouTube claiming to have used cocaine and engaged in a gay sexual act with Obama when Obama was a state legislator in 1999.
In the video, Sinclair claims he and Obama met on two separate occasions, that Obama used crack cocaine and that Sinclair performed an oral sexual act on Obama both evenings.

Now Obama and company are quickly trying to quiet this man, but Sinclair has filed a federal lawsuit. Sinclair filed suit against Obama and his campaign guru David Axelrod in Minnesota district court for allegedly attempting to abridge Sinclair's right to free speech, and for waging an intimidation campaign against him.

check out the video on youtube for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

Both MSNBC and the New York Post have verified the authenticity of the facts... will the American public have to wait until Obama gets the nomination to finally have this become public...first on FOX News??? it will be too late for the Democratic Party... Obama needs to be fully vetted... seems like at the age of 40 someone was getting busy in the back of a limosine. Crack and gay sex... what a mess....

America wants to know: where's more media coverage on this????
We deserve to hear the truth!

Posted by: David | February 19, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

hopendave,

I didn't vote for Obama because I'm under the impression that he is innocent. I'm quite sure he isn't innocent. I voted for him because I am sure that the enormity of the problems we face have a great chance to be put right in his hands. Does he have all the answers? No. Is he mistake free? No. But from everything I have seen and read, he is the person to take us to a new level, a place where the American mindset hasn't been. The world is a new place, my friend, and it calls for new ways of thinking. Clinton and McCain are more of the same. They will not be able to rise to the challenge facing us.

Fake? CAn you offer some facts to back this up? It would be better if people like you stopped reacting emotionally and took a critical look at things. So far, people in more states than not have done that, and voted for Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 19, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

David:

Here is the flaw in your nutcase posting: why would he file a federal lawsuit against Obama? This isn;t a matter for the federal courts. Further, what does the lawsuit claim? That consensual drugs and sex happened and therefore Obama is guilty of.....of what??????

Most reasonable people will be able to see thru ignorant smear campaigns like those people like you put forward.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 19, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

When Obama became a State Senator in Illinois he did it by contesting the signatures of the person running against him. Many of his opponents signatures were thrown out and thus disqualifying from being on the ballot. Obama was the only democrat in the primary of an area that was highly democratic. For what I understand the procedure to contest ballot signatures can not be signed by someone running in the race. I heard that Ayers and his wife were the ones that signed the document that challenged Obama's opponent's signatures. Could someone please check this out?
I also heard that the first fund raiser ever given for Obama was at Ayers' House. I would like to know if that is true.

Posted by: John | February 19, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dorhn, are American heroes. They laid their lives on the line to oppose American aggression. I salute them.

Posted by: David Pratt | February 19, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Zero effect. His detractors will bleat about it, his supporters won't care. He has more supporters than detractors, it seems. It's a real stretch to implicate Obama in anything in Ayers' past.

Posted by: Slabbo | February 19, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The logic of the Obama-Ayers association seems to parallel that of the Bin Laden-Saddam Hussein association, namely, lacking any relationship other than brief vicinity to each other. Of course, Republicans will see a relationship, they've shown that they can't help themselves.

Posted by: CT | February 19, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Same old Clinton trash politics. How about Hillary's skeletons? I am sure she has plenty of dirt covering her. This is old style Clinton and Karl Rove tactics. If you can win on issue use dirty trick and nastiness. Hillary's dirty tactics will keep her in the hole.

Posted by: Matt | February 19, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know why the Washington Post would perpetuate such a story when it is obviously that there is no nefarious connection between the two.

What is interesting in the article, is why the Post would go out on a limb in an attempt to muddy the waters with something that had no legs whatsoever?

It almost seems like the person who gave the piece a go ahead, is a closet HillShill.

I am surprised that the Post is playing shillary games.

tsk tsk

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 19, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Is the Washington Post a newspaper shill for hill?

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 19, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

you paranoid lot. What has this to do with the clinton campaign.of course Obamamania is such that anyone aginst their candidate has to be A Clinton supporter. Get a life!! theres surely a whole lot more to come if he gets nominated. before hes slaughtered in November

Posted by: billary.,. | February 19, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Larry Johnson is pretending to wring his hands over the potential Republican smears Obama might suffer, were he to win the Democratic nomination. The title on his Huffington Post entry SEEMS to reflect his "concern" over the matter; however, his post at his own blog, No Quarter, is entitled "Obama's Terrorist Ties," and is obviously one of his growing collection of smear pieces intended to benefit CLINTON. There's no "concern" about Obama's electability here. Just malice.

Posted by: Laura in Austin | February 19, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Seems as if Obama is getting a pretty good workout. The Republican opposition research is test-marketing its November material through Hillary's campaign. If he can weather (no pun intended) all that they throw at him between now and March 4, then he's a long way down the road to the White House. So much for Hillary's assertion that he is "untested".

Posted by: Stonecreek | February 19, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

There are three questions that need answers here, and you have only addressed one of them, Obama's links to Ayers. Tenuous, I would agree.

But we also need to know why this unrepentant terrorist was backing Obama. As many have noted, one can tell something about a candidate by looking at those who support him or her. (Think of Hsu or some of the strange folks who support R-- P----, if you need examples.)

And we need to know whether there is a pattern. Has Obama maintained contacts with left wing extremists for much of his adult life? And, if so, to what extent does he agree with these friends and acquaintances.

Finally, you say: "Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board." If that is true, then Chicago needs a new intelligentsia. If it isn't, then they deserve an apology.

Posted by: Jim Miller | February 19, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

What you really should do is check to see who has served on boards of directors with Hillary Clinton and various people closely associated with all the campaigns. There are a lot of board members in there, and no doubt they have all served with and for people who went on to become corporate criminals. Assign to each of these shady associates a score on a scale of 1 to 10, and add up the numbers for Obama, McCain, and Clinton. Then subtract by the percentage of board members who have not been caught yet in a crime or scandal. Then multiply the sum by the Kepler-Bouwkamp constant (just for the hell of it), and see how the candidates compare. If the result isn't definitive, then do criminal background checks on all campaign contributors. Use the same scale, but weigh the scores in proportion to the amount of the contribution. Let us know what you come up with, Mr. Checker.

Posted by: jchaney | February 19, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Since when is Hyde Park "trendy"? You might want to get a better handle on those evasive social facts, Mr. Fact Checker.

???

HP is an upper middle class enclave on Chicago's predominantly poor and Black South Side. It got that way because the U of C promoted Old Man Daley (RJD)'s efforts to keep South Siders from coming up to the predominantly wealthy and White North Side along the State Street Corridor.

All this commenter has to do is read RJD's biography, American Pharaoh.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 19, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Since when is Hyde Park "trendy"? You might want to get a better handle on those evasive social facts, Mr. Fact Checker."

???

HP is an upper middle class enclave on Chicago's predominantly poor and Black South Side. It got that way because the U of C promoted Old Man Daley (RJD)'s efforts to keep South Siders from coming up to the predominantly wealthy and White North Side along the State Street Corridor.

All this commenter has to do is read RJD's biography, American Pharaoh.

Posted by: da Square Wheelman | February 19, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

This story means nothing - if McCain or Clinton tries to use this - then shame on them !

Posted by: soflindie | February 19, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

So where are those tax returns again Hillary?

Posted by: Debra | February 19, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps David ought to read the Guidelines for posters: See Rule #1 "You may not post content that degrades others on the basis of gender, race, class, ethnicity, national origin, religion, sexual preference, disability or other classification." David's quote 2/19 "Obama needs to be fully vetted... seems like at the age of 40 someone was getting busy in the back of a limosine. Crack and gay sex... what a mess...." Where's the enforcement of the rules?

Posted by: Ron | February 19, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Back in February of 2007 when I was thrilled that Barack Obama had just announced his candidacy, Bill Ayers told me, "just wait . . . he's just like all the others." To Ayers, Obama is too mainstream and too accommodating to the powers that be. It is both ridiculous to still describe Ayers as a terrorist since everything he's done in the last 30 years has been in peace and love, and even more ludicrous to suggest that Obama is his mouthpiece.

Posted by: anonymous | February 19, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

This is such a non-story. The facts: almost everyone who has been involved in education reform in Chicago in the past two decades knows Bill Ayers, has worked with him, and respects his work on improving education for Chicago's children. This includes Mayor Daley, foundation presidents, university researchers, community organizers and school reform advocates, both Republicans and Democrats. Does this mean hundreds of us are tied to the Weathermen of 40 years ago? Gimme a break.

Posted by: Diana Lauber | February 19, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I think the connection that will bring Obama down in the loyalty to Africa and his Trinity Church in Chicago. When I read the about page my eyes popped out. If that stated white instead of black they would haev put old style Klansman on that.

Posted by: Jamie | February 19, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Just more mud-slinging from Hillary, who has nothing positive to offer.

Posted by: gmundenat | February 19, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Me, I am a Republican, I know Barack and have met Barack. He is a man of integrity and honesty. He has to be a bit more careful with his relationships and lack of judgement with some of the decisions he has made. Not career damaging but when you are talking about running for the Presidency of the US, everything is scrutinized. From his parent enrolling him into a Muslim school, to his dealing and buying his home with the help of a slumlord in Chicago now under indictment while he was a US Senator is definitely one he cannot back out of, so that said, the GOP has a right to seize on those missteps but by all measures these allegations and discoveries are coming from the Clinton Camp.

Posted by: jay | February 19, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Jeez. The Hillary people need to keep diggin'. This piece of trash goes no where.

My husband is an executive that has to attend various quasi-political events and I am required to accompany him. I can't tell you how many times I've been hugged and kissed by the old southern racist ex-Senator who shows up at them. Does that make us friends? Do we have shared political values? Hardly.

Posted by: smeesq | February 19, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Possibly the dumbest accusations I've ever read. He was eight? He "accepted" a campaign contribution from him? I've given more than $100 to Obama's presidential campaign but that doesn't mean he knows anything about me or endorses things I did ten years ago.

Stupid, stupid, stupid...

Posted by: thecrisis | February 19, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction. And just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic, common issues and it's made me proud.

Posted by: ermias.kifle | February 19, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers is a highly respected colleague in the college of education at UIC, widely sought out by students, faculty, and other institutions like Harvard. Given his outstanding contributions over the years, we hope he stays here in Chicago. The attempt to manufacture a political connection between Ayers and Obama is ironic because Ayers has told me that his preferred presidential candidate is (was) Dennis Kucinich, and that he viewed Obama as a cautious politician who sought consensus and the middle ground on most issues. I am glad to hear that these philosophical-political differences did not keep him from contributing to Obama's earlier campaigns. In view of the ludicrous attempt to link the 8 year old Obama with the early Ayers,and thereby somehow to connect Obama as a current presidential candidate with Professor Ayers, it should be kept in mind that Obama is not Ayer's first or second choice candidate, that it is not illegal to make campaign contributions to candidates for office, and that Professor Ayers has widely and freely traveled around the world as a lecturer without any fear of being tried for war crimes for violating the Geneva conventions---unlike the major players in the current administration.

Posted by: R.R.Williams | February 19, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

O.k., o.k., this exercise in trying to get political "dirt" on Sen. Obama is getting way out of hand. To borrow from a well known political quote, "...I know Bill Ayers, Bill Ayers and his brother, John, are friends of mine and Bill Ayers should be left alone!" I have deep roots in Chicago's political establishment, including having worked as part of the administration of the late Chicago Mayor Harold Washington and, afterwards, with leading public school reform organizations that included Bill Ayers. I'm on Capitol Hill, now, working with a member of the Chicago delegation. For anyone to even remotely suggest that Bill Ayers should be persona non grata to the Obama campaign or, even worse, could politically harm Obama is beyond bizarre. It reeks of political desperation.

But for Bill Ayers' colorful past, he's a quintessential member of Chicago's progressive, mainstream upper-class--family and all! The fact that the Republican Party, and some desperate factions within the Democratic Party, are seeking any possible hook to politically destroy Obama, I think, speaks to the character and track record that he's maintained throughout his life.

As an African American, professional woman with a loving family but with an equally, if not more difficult upbringing, there's something to be said for the value of faith, family and hard work. It may not be sexy and it may not satisfy rabid conservatives or the most cloying liberals, but it, in fact, is reflective of how millions of people in America live their lives everyday. To me, that's Obama's appeal and the fact that it drives political activists and huge parts of the media a little crazy says something about the kind of vapid political leadership we've had in our country for decades.

I hope the Senator sweeps in a new wave of political leadership, that includes Bill Ayers and others, so that a door can be forever shut on America's sad, divisive past.


Sharon Jenkins
smjenkins01@hotmail.com

Posted by: Sharon Jenkins | February 19, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm proud of my country"


The first time??
how about almost a Million $$$ a year income?
How about sending your kids to Private school - the cost is higher than most American family yearly income?
How about the Victory over the secon World war?
How about a victory over Soviet Union?
How about the Civil right movement?
How about civil war?

The first time? hmmmm

Posted by: ermias.kifle | February 19, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Being a political figure in the public domain means you get to know and deal with lots of people. You can't do FBI background checks on everyone you meet, and at some point you need to leave the past behind. The press and other forces were initially so enthralled with Obama that they ignored some of his foibles. Now those forces are trying to make up for their oversight by over-scrutinizing both the relevant and the irrelevant. Who cares is my reaction to that allegation. Of course, I appreciate the role of the press in getting information out. But, now give us substantative concerns for us to mull over.

Posted by: Dennis Wulkan | February 19, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

From this public notice it seems like the Obamas may have known William Ayers well enough to invite him to a criminal justice panel. http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/971106/justice.shtml

"Ayers will be joined by Sen. Barack Obama, Senior Lecturer in the Law School, who is working to combat legislation that would put more juvenile offenders into the adult system; ***Michelle Obama, Associate Dean of Student Services and Director of the University Community Service Center, hopes bringing issues like this to campus will open a dialogue between members of the University community and the broader community."

In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois state senator, participated together at a conference entitled "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?" sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis" panel. source:
http://capitalfax.blogspot.com/2008/02/rezkowatch-terrorist-donations-to-obama.html


Another interesting piece--

The Canada Free Press raises the issue of Frank Davis, Obama's Communist mentor: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1938

I don't know anything of the author's reputation


Posted by: TDH | February 19, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The people don't seem to be up for Swiftboating this year. They're so sick of the way things have been going for the past seven years that they're ready to take a flier on almost anybody who isn't a child molester or a Republican.

The Muslim thing has flopped, the reverse-racism thing has bombed and this Ayers dust-bunny will get blown away just as quickly.

Posted by: Jim W | February 19, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Remember Obama's kindergarten teacher in Indonesia. These attack are silly.

Whitewater, Travelgate, Monica, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Mark Rich, ... etc.

Posted by: Gloria | February 19, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The following is a story about Ayer's book.

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen
By DINITIA SMITH
Published: September 11, 2001

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''

"Now he has written a book, ''Fugitive Days'' . Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972."

**********************************

Now, let's see, this is a guy with whom Obama and his wife associated? Someone who set bombs and participated in numerous bombings in NYC and Washington D.C.?

WOW! That's all I can say.

I would seriously question this person's judgement and willingness to associate with such a person. Especially someone who is running to be one of the most powerful leaders in the world, the President of the United States.

Wonder why such a story is showing up mainly in the British press, and not in the United States?

Posted by: David2007 | February 19, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Stop padering to the sheep. This story has no legs. More unfounded dirt by the Clinton machine...

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 19, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Any dirt, especially on a decisive election day such as today, just makes me more want to vote for the candidate getting the negative attack. I say take your crap to Russia or some totalitarian country! You & the "liberal", sic., media stink (ie. a media term of itself!)

Posted by: Alan | February 19, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

THE BEST QUALIFICATION FOR PRESIDENT IS THE ABILITY TO RUN A FILTHY CAMPAIGN!!

VOTE FOR HILLARY AND BILL!!!

Posted by: homosapiens | February 19, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone seriously think this through before posting this on the WPO? Shame on you! How petty..and I'd say the same if this was being aimed at HRC.

Posted by: galleria | February 19, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for ptrinting this WAPO:

" But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous."

(Precisely.)

But used this for a headline:

"Obama's Weatherman Connection"


The NEO-Cons FEAR Obama!

That's what I think :)

Posted by: onestring | February 19, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

The reason BO will go down is his black power church, it's endorsement of Louis Farrakhan, and it's pastor Wright's rabid words (which Obama loves to "use"--like Audacity of Hope.
And the other thing that will cause him to go down--being the most liberal senator there is in the Senate. We don't elect liberals to the presidency, in case you've all forgotten!

Posted by: amadeus56 | February 19, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I ate chicken and brown rice with some of the Weathermen when I was a child. This was in Washington, DC around 1970. I was four or five years old. Better call the riot police.

Posted by: C.C. | February 19, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

big deal...

anyone who lives in chicago should get to know a good weatherman.....

Posted by: nullmike | February 19, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

What do I think? I think I'll send another $100 to Obama.

Posted by: martiniano | February 19, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

This definitely came from Hillary's camp.

Posted by: Christina | February 19, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Excellent due diligence by Fact Checker in checking not just candidates but the press.

The claim of Clinton fans that a candidate needs to be tough rather than strong is subject to its own test. She earns a zero every time her campaign reminds voters just why they are so over her.

Posted by: jhbyer | February 20, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

The association raises a legitimate question. Which is not answered by the "facts" presented.

The issue is germane. When people ask themselves what changes does Senator Obama have in mind over at least a four year period and how and by what process will they be achieved; it is appropriate to ask and determine with whom has he mind melded.

Posted by: auto1 | February 20, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

So Obama had connections with The Weathermen when he was eight...

And he wrote a paper about being President when he was in kindergarten.

Sheesh, I feel like an underachiever. I couldn't manage two socks of the same color at that age, and look at what Barack was achieving!

Posted by: filmex | February 20, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

This is why I don't believe that either candidate (Republican or Democrat) should decide to take the Federal funding match. We've seen how low negative campaigning can go on both sides and in order for the upcoming presidential campaign to be about issues, both camps will need the resources to counter the hateful, unsubstantiated claims that will be undoubtedly leveled.

The voting public deserves the truth and, though sites like 'Fact Checker' are noble attempts at providing the truth, they are not utilized sufficiently and mostly reach only those of us with an obsessive passion for politics.

Posted by: Shannon S | February 20, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

So big deal. John McCain wants to blow up stuff in Iraq for a hundred years-with my money no less.

Posted by: dale | February 20, 2008 2:48 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is associated with George W. Bush and we all know what a bloodthirsty warmonger he is-And Hillary gave him the hall pass to do it.

Posted by: Dale | February 20, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

if that's the best that hillary & co. can come up with to discredit barack, well i guess they have to try harder. i mean how pathetic can you get in trying to dig up some dirty laundry you suspect your opponent to hide which would your otherwise unimpressive vest make shine brighter? it was already pretty pitiable to see hillary accusing barack of stealing a speech from one of his political supporters who gave him the explicit permission to use the words, but this just adds to the backlash hillary is producing for herself. all this just makes her look all the more desperate and pathetic.

Posted by: victoria v | February 20, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

One would think, after losing 11 straight contests, that the Clintonistas might discern that smearing and swiftboating blow up in their faces.

Democrats and independents, unlike Republicans, just don't respond positively to such tactics. Indeed this behavior simply adds to the perception that the Clintons are desperate--flailing blindly, flinging mud indiscriminately hoping it will stick SOMEWHERE, anywhere.

In fact, the Clintons are beginning to seem distinctly unhinged which, of course, only alienates voters further.

Posted by: Helena Montana | February 20, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

Media is a circus ring. Some of the comments written here said that Hillary is doing this. Please STOP bashing her. She is not the media. Media makes big money on creating sensationalizm. Think about how many papers they sold because of the article.

There are more women haters than I thought there would be. And what's sad about this is that some women are buying it. While Obama became a place to escape to, Hillary has become an escapegoat. When will people wake up? I am starting to think that we no longer have ability to think anymore. I think we've resigned to our depression. Wake up!

Posted by: Younmi | February 20, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like the handiwork of Karl Roves and his cronies who schemed to "turn-out" Valeria Plane as a CIA operative. These people play hardball. Should I be worried? Not really. I was a civil rights worker in the 1960's and was constantly accused of being a communist, or spy or something because I wanted to end American racism, segregation and discrimination, which included lynching and murder. Martin Luther King was under constant surveillance by the FBI and CIA while he was alive. Guilt by association? For sure! The point is this. I think that the Republican Party represents the worst type of Americans; people like Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, and Scooter Libby are mean-spirited, egomaniacs, arrogant and stupid. These people will stop at nothing to have it their way, including lying. The Valeria Plane incident, the invasion of Iraq and the continued occupation of Iraq, the refusal of Bush to sign the global warming treaty in the United Nations, the secret wiretapping of Americans, etc., etc. are only some examples of the lies and deceit coming out of the White House. However, I find that the implied association with the "Weatherman" regarding Obama is not nearly as bad as Clinton's sex scandal and impeachment while President of the United States. Oh, there were other questionable activities about the Clinton's, like Hillary's refusal to release her latest tax form. Bush will go down in history as one of the most deceitful president's of all times. Most certainly much will be written about his drinking habits, including the manipulation of the last election, all of which are too lengthy to go into here. The point is that Republicans would stop at nothing to defeat a democrat especially one advocating such dramatic change which would exclude D.C. insiders. I would find it hard to believe that the Clinton camp would not stoop this low?!? I hope, I hope, I hope!

Posted by: V. Sessoms | February 20, 2008 5:24 AM | Report abuse

I wonder how "jonny five" and his "friends" would like it if they were bombed?

You know: "Blown to bits" as the lyric goes (bonus points if you can name the lyricist).

Oh, you compassionate, tolerant, non-violent "liberals" ;)

People like this bastardize the cause of liberalism - would we could throw them out of the movement ...

Posted by: Guy de Maupassant fan | February 20, 2008 5:36 AM | Report abuse

rozz62: I am glad to see your comments about the Obama / Rezko involvement.

Now, with reports like this Weatherman report, right or wrong, people are starting to look into the poor choices and mistakes, and backroom shady dealings of Obama.

The connections are considerable, and we should all keep looking. For if we don't Google The Trinity Church/Obama; and "Rezko/Obama" and "divestment," the Republican "swift boat" machine will.

Obama will never get elected. I think there are still enough people left who will process the information about Obama, and keep him from being elected. Hopefully, before Obama becomes our nominee.

Like I have said repeatedly, the reason I do what I do on these boards, is because I don't want McCain to win. McCain says we will be in Iraq for another 50 to 100 years. McCain wants to reinstate the draft.

I don't want my beautiful 18 year old grand daughter who I have raised since she was a year old, to be drafted into McCain's army.

McCain will take our young high school graduates and our young now Obama mesmerized college students into McCain's army.

Since Obama has so many past worrisome relationships, a vote for him now will just culminate into a vote for McCain in November.

Hillary could win against McCain - I know a majority of people want to get out of that Iraq war and let those people figure things out for themselves. They are going to have to, anyway, eventually - why not now before more of our beloved family members go there to be killed. They go there with, what I have said since Day One, they are going in there with targets on their backs. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | February 20, 2008 5:48 AM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party really aint learned anything. This country wont vote for a left wing Liberal to be their President.. Look at the candidates who failed. Mcgovern, Dukakis, and Kerry in recent times. It took a Governor from the south who could appeal to conservatives.and win 2 terms. ...ride your wave of euphoria Obama supporters. because it aint gonna last.

Posted by: billary | February 20, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Bashers on here.. go to hell.. and take your Chicago Gangster .. cos he aint aint going nowhere near the oval office.

Posted by: billary | February 20, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Billary,
Get ready to lose the nomination. It's Obama's now.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 20, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

This will be another Swift Boat item. However, unlike Kerry, I suspect Obama has a pair, and will actually take the time to refute the Republican straw man machine.

Posted by: Jason | February 20, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this is substantial and if pursued by Mccain, it will easily be confronted and dismissed. Thanks for the information, though.

I don't understand why people are attacking the writer. It's simply presenting information. Better we hear this objectively from fact checker than for it to be part of Republican distortions.

Clinton supporters are becoming ill in their bitter attacks.

Posted by: Niles | February 20, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

This fact checker is missing a lot of information. Obama and Ayers' connection goes much further.

http://www.nysun.com/article/8725

http://warrenpeacemuse.blogspot.com/2005/01/get-to-know-barack-obama-when-i-first.html

Posted by: More Ties To Ayers | February 20, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Obama and Ayers Ties | February 20, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: obamaayers | February 20, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

This is just like those NEOCONS.

You remember when those NEOCONS tried to swiftboat Ronald Reagan by suggesting he was in Philidelphia GA killing civil rights protesters in between shots on the set of Wagon Train!

Posted by: jummy | February 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Truely, the facts are a conspiracy against the left.

Posted by: jummy | February 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice play, Shakespeare. What's your next act?

Larry Johnson of No Quarter gave you five sources to call who had firsthand knowledge and could confirm the story. But I guess you decided to be lazy and not follow up.

And now you've burned a source who will never speak to you again. And who will tell everyone he knows never to deal with you.

I hope you're proud.

Posted by: cab91 | February 20, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

how is this any different from Hillary being considered a "Goldwater Girl"? The one contention is, as was stated in this piece, Obama was 8 years old at the time of the Weathermen's prominence. How old was Hillary during Goldwaters "inquisition"?

Posted by: magic1969 | February 21, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

First, it's

"Is there anything here that raises questions about Obama's judgment or is this just another example of guilt by association?"

To which we get the answers

"But the Obama-Ayers link is a tenuous one." and
"This whole connection is a stretch,".

But since that's not controversial enough, actually damning enough, tFC turns it into

"The question is not whether a connection can be established between Barack Obama and a former member of the Weathermen, but whether it has any significance for the 2008 presidential campaign. Could Bill Ayers become a political embarrassment for Obama? Let me know what you think."

Here's what I think, you are so fixated on carrying John McCain's water that you are searching for the evidence that fits your opinion, much like the Spanish Inquisition.

So at this time, would you like directions to the Washington Times offices?

Posted by: FC is a HACK | February 21, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I find it very hard to believe that Obama knew nothing about Ayers' history when he chose to become one of his "birds of a feather"... "You can judge a man by the company he keeps."

Posted by: obiwan2112 | February 21, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

More desperate BS from the GOP/Hillary.

So 8-year-old Obama was invovled in radical fringe? LOL

Wait, I thought he was drawing some stuff in Kindergarten with crayons about presidential aspirations!!

My, my, how pathetic can these personal smears get.

Pssss -- here's the next "scandal". I hear Obama has some overdue library books from 1976. Ohhhh, this is gonna be big!

Posted by: James | February 21, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Wake up James... Ayers has been unrepentent to this day for what he and his fellow terrorists have done, and for Mr. Obama to knowingly associate himself with this guy shows a thing or two. BTW- I don't think Barack's old school in Djakarta, Indonesia will charge him for his overdue books... As long as he pursues the ideals they taught him there.

Posted by: obiwan2112 | February 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy! Now I know why we all will be voting Obama '08! Sooooo --- this is the best you can do? Obama sure must be clean as a whistle if this is the best 'dirt' you can dig on him - and you had to go all the way back to when he was EIGHT YEARS OLD!!!! Sheeeesh!!!!

Posted by: Maria | February 22, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

How is this Hillary's fault?

If this is a story planted by the Clinton Campaign - you don't think the republicans have the story to?

I'll vote for Obama but if you think the general election is going to be all bunnies, roses and yes we can -you are seriously naive.

Hillary's attacks will seem like child play. The republicans are going to attack, attack , attack. They don't care if it's true and they don't care if most of the attacks won't stick. It just take one change.

I wish Obama the best and hope his supporters remain this loyal during the dog days of the silly season.

It's going to get ugly folks - I hope you have the stomach to handle it. Promise me - that at the first sign of trouble you won't be covering your Obama bumper stickers with Nader ones.

Thankfully, McCain has his own problems.

Posted by: Lynn | February 22, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, now someone at Politico has done a little legwork on the story. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

Ayers was, and is, a dangerous person. He was a champion of Ward Churchill. And he is unrepentant about the bombings.

I have not read this source about Dohrn but am quoting it from another blog -- maybe the Post reporter can check out the author:

RE: "Hippie", a detailed description of the musical and social scene of the 60's, by Barry Miles.

On page 312, he describes the formation of the Weather Underground. "They held a National War Council in Flint, Michigan, where a huge cardboard machine gun hung from the ceiling and the speeches were about "organizing a city-wide anti-pig movement...". Participants romanticized Manson's killing spree. Speaking of the LaBianca murders, Bernadine Dohrn, who became the organization's spokesperson, said, "Dig it. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room as them. Then they even shoved a fork into a victim's stomach. Wild!"

Those victims were Leno and Rosemary LaBianca, a middle-aged couple who were not cops or FBI or otherwise obvious oppressors. Leno was stabbed 12 times with a knife, and 14 times with a carving fork. Rosemary was stabbed 41 times. Then there were the heartless murders of Sharon Tate (8 months pregnant) and her friends. http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2785/

Posted by: worried | February 22, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checker should check on the 1995 meeting at William Ayers home that launched Barack Obama' political career. Those media outlets not in the tank for Obama will do the investigative reporting. The WaPo has ceased to be relevant, and continues to lay off its decreasing literate staff.

Posted by: Karen | February 25, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse


I'm not QUITE old enough to remember another (former) member of the Senate, Joe McCarthy. His ghost must be haunting those hallowed halls and trying to stir things up for some current members. Even I have watched "W" speak on TV and I might visit DC this summer. And I'll certainly visit the White House where HE lives. If I actually SEE him I might be "terror-fied"! Guess my political career (school board member) is over. GMAB!

Posted by: steve k | February 25, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

GMAB

Give me a break...

Posted by: steve k | February 25, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"I think that people need to remenber what happened to our nation;country on 911?"It seems that has been forgotten.We the people need to take a second look at the candiates&weigh the difference between all and pick the one who can step-up to the problems that we are faced with now and thoes that are sure to come.It will take more than talk to work all problem's out!Itwill not be easy for anyone that we choose,so let us not make this one lightly.

Posted by: kathy t. | February 25, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

why dont the news media ever tell the facts about obama or what he stands for in everything the amarican people feel important instead of just saying he will make a change. where does he stand on abortion, gun control, illigal aliens,jobs, taxes and on and on.

Posted by: dorothy mayhew | February 26, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The difference between a communist and a liberal is that a communist leads you to destruction at the tip of a bayonet. A liberal leads you to destruction by the stupidity of their ideas. Two great prospects for many great minds...Obama/Clinton..whew....

Posted by: Winston Churchill | February 26, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

This is 2-degrees of separation complete make believe.

There is no connection of Obama to Ayers.

There is barely a connection of Ayers to Obama: Ayers gave a minimal campaign contribution to a state senate re-election campaign. They each, indepdendently were asked to sit on a board of a local do-goodnik organization (Obama did not choose Ayers; Ayers did not choose Obama; neither runs the organization; third party seperately invited each; they live in the same general neighborhood in Chicago).

Really... let's check into the background of everybody who has ever given $200 to any campaign ever in the prior political history if Clinton and McCain? Let's double check the background of every other board member of every organization that every other candidate has ever been invited to be a member of by some other third party? C'mon.

"Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley" That would be the well known terrorist sympathizer Mayor Daley?

Posted by: Dr. Steve B | February 26, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

THe GOP needs to find better material. They are looking like ignorant fools if they are going to keep trying to play the angle that "Hussein" Obama is an anti american, muslim, terrorist. American's should be ashamed of the Republican style Cowboy politics.

Posted by: chuck | February 28, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

If you want to know where Obama stands on policies and the change he will take this country in try listening to some of the 20 debates he has done where he has laid out in specific detail his understanding of the issues and the direction he would take this country. Try reading his website for specific policy instead of claiming he is just a good speaker with no ideas or substance. It's getting old.

Posted by: dora | February 28, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a closet Socialist who obviously has on the periphery many third world, and counter culture anti Americans who adore him. He's the Pied Piper who looks all nice and Mr. Rogers like, but really is a hater of the very country he profits from. His wife is proof of that, as she can barely contain her contempt for this country. All of you sound bite idiots who will follow him are the lemmings to the sea that will drag us all down. The latest flip flop about campaign promises and financing is only the tip of the lies you will see when he gets in power. He's SMOOTH no doubt, and you will fall for his lines, and fawn over him as the best path for this country. And when he's done you will be so betrayed and bewildered, and wonder how you got Clinton-ed again by a black "slick WillY" Good luck America !

Posted by: Reverist Society | February 28, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

So, Obama has accepted donations from a Weather Underground terrorist, just as he allows Louis "Calypso Louie" Farrakhan to stump for him among anti-American radicals.

I am not surprised by any of this. It is loathsome and disgusting, but not shocking. Bill Clinton pardoned FLN and Weather Underground terrorists, John Kerry was a member of the Red front VVWA organization when it was considering assassinating Congressmen, and on and on and on. High treason is, if not the norm in that party, then it is the lodestar by which all the rest judge their own ideological purity. They have no shame. The last Democrat in this country who wasn't a contemptible gutter-rat in human form was John F. Kennedy.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 28, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Geez can we attempt to tie Obama to any more wingnuts than we already have? This is nonesense. Isnt that a little like saying the chocolatte factory where Jeffrey Dahmer worked is somehow complicate in his crimes? All this malarky and yet John McCain gets the endorsement of a racist bigot (Which he gloated about) and that goes virtually unnoticed. Obama guets inuendo's to death and McCain gets a pass for being a "hero" Once again..Dems are just not patriotic and Repubs have a monoploly on that sentiment. Phoey!

Posted by: Penny K | February 29, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Ok, justkeep defending Obama no matter what he does or says, he's perfect, right?

Would someone get him a pillow?

Posted by: Joe | February 29, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

What Mr. Obama needs to keep in mind that the only real differences between his acquaintance William Ayers and Timothy McVeigh is that McVeigh was a more competent bomb maker, and was not a darling of the new left.

McVeigh and Ayers both chose the federal government as their targets, both had a sense of righteous indignation about a government action and both were essentially spoiled little boys. Ayers just beat the rap, probably because of connections, a little bit of his daddy's money and some weird romantic notion that baby boomer liberals and academics have about the 60s counter culture.

If Barack Obama has signed up for this, he simply does not need to be president of the United States. If his relationship with Ayers reflects his world view I hang the McCain sign outside the house on Monday and write the check on Tuesday.

We need to know the full extent of this relationship.

Posted by: Bob | March 1, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I am a registered Democrat who voted for John Edwards in the Florida Primary. After he dropped out my wfe and I decided that we would take a look at Barak Obama and see who this person was.
After I started looking, I found some very disturbing things and I would like to know "Why no one has brought this information up about his and his wife's church and their beliefs. Are the reporters holding back on this information until the General Election, where this would torpedo the Democrats and put another Republican in the White House.

Why is the media not asking Barak and Michele Obama about their beliefs and if they are Racists. If this was a white man running for President, and belonged to an organization that followed the "White Value System", as stated below,(The Black Value Syatem), he would be run out of town.

http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

(The Trinity United Church of Christ is not your typical United Church of Christ)

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981.

We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements.

These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered.

They must reflect on the following concepts:

Commitment to God
Commitment to the Black Community
Commitment to the Black Family
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
Disavowal of the Pursuit of
"Middleclassness"
Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills
available to the Black Community
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and
Supporting Black Institutions
Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

If you substituted the word "White" for "Black", and this was a white candidate, belonging to a "White Organization", they would definitely be considered a "Racist".

Why is this OK for Barak and Michele Obama?

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian...
Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent.
We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent,
the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery,
the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength
and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We
constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service
and ministries which address the Black Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a
10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
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Posted by: Ron | March 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

McCain will win.

Why? Because:

Obama won't put his heart on his chest.

Obama served on the same BoD of the Woods Foundation w/ a die-hard militant radical who escaped conviction for bombing the Pentagon due to prosecutorial misconduct, who refuses to recant violence & on 9/11 extolled violence against the USA.

Guilt by a non-profit association is worse than mere guilt by association.

Obama doesn't acknowledge his mixed ethnic background and self-identifies himself as black.

Obama's campaign issued a two-sentence statement about the Che Guavera flag in an ostensibly volunteer-driven campaign HQ in Houston, TX, the LARGEST city in Texas.

Hillary claims more leadership experience than she should, but would like us to then turn around an ignore the misdeeds of the eight years she went around playing Queen in the White House ... y'know? Ordering an FBI investigation on Travelgate, misplacing documents, arrogating herself the position of power in Clinton's first health care agenda, declaring that "We are the President?"

Why in God's Earth should we want either an unregenerate "black" radical or an imperious cry-baby in the White House?

I suggest those who dispute this Obama story as a cheap shot work on vetting the claims in this article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=57231
(And yes, WND is often pure paleocon agitprop, but if they're right on this one Obama is doomed).

Posted by: Obamanation! | March 3, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

i think obama is just another zionist puppet scumbag. if he has any links to the weathermen, it would be a credit to him.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 4, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama is sooo pretty! He's cute like Curious George. I can't wait to spend time in the Lincoln Bedroom! Oh you go girl!!!

Posted by: Mr. Wee Wee | March 4, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Negative allegations on 'Right Wing' news networks cost Barack Obama the Texas and Ohio primaries -- and that will continue before each primary. There is fear he will be surrounded by hooligans and radical advisors hanging around the White House if he is elected. He is the only person who can put a stop to the rumors and allegations. He needs to come clean or fold up his tent.

Posted by: Louise P. | March 5, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I had heard from a talk show about this connection with a radical weatherman. Now having read the above article, I am very disturbed about the distortions that are being spread by the Sean Hannity crowd. The fact that Ayers is a distinguished professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago suggests that he has been fully vetted by his peers who are well aware of his long ago political actions. I would fully expect that an individual who worked as a community activist had more than jsut contact with individuals that at one time may have had difficulties. Perhaps Mr. Hannity and his ilk should be concerned about the many Republican members of Congress who in the last several years had on going relationships with a convicted felon - Jack Abramhoff. We could strat with his hero Tom DeLay.

Posted by: Joel Field | March 5, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

This is lazy media and stupid acticle; firstly, The weatherman committed this act when Obama was 8 yrs old, definitely from the article, they never knew each other then, they only knew each in 1999 when they were both appointed to the same board. What a dump acticle or fact check. I do not even know what many of my friends did 20 years ago not to talk of 40 years ago. I have been living in my street for many years and I do not even know the names of most of many neighbors; guess what tomorrow when I start running for office, they might dig up something about one of my neighbors who I did not even know and use it against me because we lived on the same street.

More than 2 million people have donated to Obama's Campaign, this year alone more than 1 million have donated to his campaign, do you think he know all these people and what they do? Or you think each night after coming home from a campaign trip, he go through the list of thousands of donors and filter them out.

Hannity is so foolish and he is going to embazy himself tomorrow by wasting what he call a "special report" on this no news.

Posted by: James | March 8, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

The Ayers connection is only the tip of the iceberg.

I wrote about this on my blog a few weeks ago. Obama was born to a Marxist activist, mentored by a Marxist activist in his boyhood, hung around with campus radicals while at college, went to work for quasi-religious Marxists in Chicago in the 1980s, where he was mentored by another Marxist organizer. The Marxist connections went quiet when Obama ran for office, except that he did visit the local Marxists (Ayers and van Dohrn) when running for the State House, and he continues to cross paths with them. Obama's support for UN initiatives like the Global Poverty Act and his populist hatred of capitalist America comport well with his background. He continues to receive support from socialist organizations, though he does not acknowledge them.

Alan Keyes was not able to make the case to the voters in 2004, but I guess we'll get another chance at it this year. Obama is arguably a theoretical Marxist, and what he has planned for America is basically socialism. The reasonable test of this would be to ask publicly which of the basic premises of Marxism he no longer believes are true, but without naming the individual principles as Marxist. To my knowledge, nobody has dared to do this.

Posted by: Plumb Bob | March 9, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Ayers is a terrorist, and only respected by the new left progressives or cultural marxists who refuse to let their hideous ideology die. Ayers and his comrades should be put to death for their treason. Obama and Hillary will lose because of these relationships.

Posted by: alfoil | March 9, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

This is McCarthyism at its worst--half-truths, guilt by association,vicious attacks.

Posted by: mikeSR | March 10, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

mikeSR-"This is McCarthyism at its worst--half-truths, guilt by association,vicious attacks."
What a shame that you have decided not to further your education. History has proven that McCarthy was right about EVERY person he accused of having communist connections.

Posted by: Karen Bowers | March 11, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Ayers IS a terrorist and has stated ON 9/11/01 that he wished he had committed even more terrorist acts in his day!!! This statement alone should be enough of a reason for Obama not to accept campaign contributions from him!!! But , it is Obama's associations with Rezko and Auchi, a Saddam Hussein supporter, that are even more troubling!!! Now, add to that his close ties to his minister, who himself has close ties to the anti-semite Louis Farrakhan. When and where do Obama's dubious associations end? And has anyone else noticed how many of his friends are Islamic, lebanese, terrorists, and reverse-racists??? I fear for this country if he wins the nomination!!!

Posted by: susan | March 11, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

So someone who contributed to a campaign is a casual friend?? Especially one you served on a board with. Also Tookie Wilson wrote children's literature later in life, is he a saint? As it deals with Keating Five, he was cleared of charges by the counsel for the Senate, did we forget to mention this. His role was so small because once McCain found out what was going on, he stopped going to meetings/events for Keating. Someone else better do their fact checking. This is not dirt, this is fact of relations with someone who attacked American structures on American soil, dirt is inferring something that is not there which is what the New York times did about a supposed affair and favors that were not proven, that is dirt without substance. The left wing is corinating Barack and he has some serious problems.

Posted by: Robert | March 12, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Well, It seems as if some of you are not old enough to remember the fear, destruction and deaths that surrounded the lawlessness of Weathermen. You were horrified at the destruction of the "Twin Towers"? Well, while it was from a source outside the Us, this was not. It was a bunch of radicals from the US against their fellow country men. Go study your history. Then seeif you can make an informed decision.

Posted by: Little Miss USA | March 12, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm a conservative Republican who believes there's not much here, EXCEPT, why did Ayers support/contribute to Obama's political ambitions?

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Posted by: Resbkbecca | March 15, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Identity politics and soap operas overwhelm substantive issues that we are not permitted to discuss, economic issues, why the working class has to pay taxes to benefit the super rich, and what's going to happen in the next few years with the banks melting down.'

George Bush just pardoned or released Luis Posada, someone who the State Dept calls a terrorist. He blew a passenger jet out of the sky, killing everyone on board, including a student fencing team, because the flight came from Cuba.

Hell, Bush pardoned HIMSELF!! In advance. Only those truly guilty of Crimes Against Humanity need to do stuff like that. Nixon at least had the manners to let Ford pardon him.

I watched the Weather Underground film and read some on them. After 1 accident in an apartment, thereafter all the bombs were placed in empty buildings and evacuation warnings were phoned in. This was at a time when the country was coming apart at the seams, politically and socially, over the war.

Next up, the far right with large weapons caches may be the next to emerge (usually with some covert assistance by the FBI).

Posted by: Gary | March 16, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

On what network was Bill Ayers a weatherman? I don't recognize him but I stopped watching Today when Katie Couric left.

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky | March 16, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

On what network was Bill Ayers a weatherman? I don't recognize him but I stopped watching Today when Katie Couric left.

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky | March 16, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

On what network was Bill Ayers a weatherman? I don't recognize him but I stopped watching Today when Katie Couric left.

Posted by: Monica Lewinsky | March 16, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

I never had heard of the "Weathermen" before probably since I was born in 1972 it was before my time. My mother just recently told me about this group and how they would bomb buildings (government buildings) sort of like a 60-70's version of Timothy McVeigh I guess. The only people they managed to kill with the bombings was 3 of their own. Some had robbed a Brinks truck and killed the guard and two state troopers which they were sent to jail for 20+ years for.

I think if they would be doing the same thing today they would be called terrorists. What I can't believe is that their whole point was to stop the violence involving racism, sexism, Vietnam etc. but how can one truly stop violence by using violence? It is a bit hypocritical to me.

Posted by: Mary | March 19, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Since I am "old" enough to remember the Weather Men violence, I question the "judgement" of Sen. Obama associating with Mr. Ayers whose views with regard to the bombings have not changed through the years. If anyone thinks that this will not be an issue in the general election, then they are not well read with regard to political dirty tricks. Remember, Sen. Kerry was considered a war hero, yet his association with the anti-war crowd did him in. The younger voters forget that there are many, many older boomers, Viet Nam Veterans, police and firefighters who will not forget the Weathermen....bombing public buildings. Having an informal advisor such as Mr. Ayers certainly does not show that good "judgement" as Sen. Obama likes to remind everyone he has.

Perhaps the mainstream media should take more than a cursory look at Mr.Ayers connection to Sen.Obama. The fact that Sen. Obama was 8 years old during the WeatherMen time is not relevent. What is relevent is that Mr. Ayers still is unrepentent with regard to the bombings and Sen. Obama has had a relationship with the Hyde Park people during his pre and post political career in Chicago.

Posted by: jerseyperson | March 19, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

The only person who will care about this after Obama wins the primary is Sean Hannity who will use it as fadder on one of his "in-depth" weekend shows- you know, the show where he uncovered how Hillary killed her friend/ex-lover (what was his name??).

Posted by: Mike From Barre | March 21, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama you GO GURL! I cannot wait to be UNDER your glorius command!

Posted by: Mr. Wee Wee | March 22, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Let's see now

Obama:
Lied to us abiut connections with Rezco
Lied to us about hearing Wright's idiotic sermons
Wife is only now proud to be American
Doesn't hold his hand over heart for Anthem
His 17 year mentor and inspiration for hope is rabid anti-American
Says he can unite country but his politics tell different tale as he's never taken a controversial stand against far-leftwing and united with bipartisanship
Equivocates his granny with all White people
Passes off man whom he chose to be his mentor as relative you can;t help being related to.
Plays race card against Ferraro but claims he wants to get beyond it.

No thanks Obama, I don't think the American public is going to buy it in the general election and most especially once the GOP starts educating the public about the things the MSM refuses to.

I don't think the country wants an affirmative action president the MSM refused to vet. Obama would never have risen to where he is if MSM vetted him properly all along instead of allowing Obama to play into their White guilt.

And it's trully poetic justice the Church Obama chose for political expediency for his political careeer in Chicago is going to sink him.

Obama missed his calling and if he wants to heal race wounds he should be doing as preacher not politican and should start in his own neighborhood and Church.

Posted by: PatUSA | March 22, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Faith | March 25, 2008 5:02 AM | Report abuse

You people obviously didn't live through the Weather Underground. It shows. Obama shouldn't even be walking on the same side of the street at this man, much less share a board membership.

Posted by: Molly | March 28, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Life makes it such that we tend to gravitate towards those people that we have something in common with. We get to talking more about that which binds us and before we know it we are friends. If we should remain friends its because we learned that there are amny things that we have in common. These commonalities are not just talking points but thoughts that we can actually act upon. More times than not we act in an attempt to make a change. Sen. Obama calls Mr Ayers and his Pastor his friends. We must assume that the Sen. shares in the beliefs that these two men hold. Anti government, anti-white and anti-jew beliefs are a real part of these men's lives and they have thrust these beliefs upon Sen Obama. The Sen. now shares these same beliefs because he wants to. He will not, however, spew hate speech or blow up buildings like his mentors but he can become the President and "change" the establishment. Change it to where it benefits blacks, anti-jews, anti-americans and anti-whites. Yes, Sen Obama does need to explain his beliefs to the american people and the media needs to hold him to this task.

Posted by: Barbara | March 31, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

If this were one person after the fact, that would be one thing, but add this to all of the other denouncements: Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers, Rezko, it clearly goes to his judgment of character. You might add McPeak to this list as well. You are truly defined by the company you keep.

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Posted by: Hiliary | March 31, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone imagine another presidential candidate serving on a board with a confessed homegrown terrorist and the media saying, "well it's a loose connection."
wow...the media is really willing to give obama a big, fat pass, but I'm not sure middle America will when the Repubs. bring this one up.

Posted by: katherine | April 1, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

When asked about the Ayers connection, the Obama campaign first responded by saying when Sen. Obama was entering politics, he visited Ayers at his house as "a right of passage." The campaign, in a candid moment, did not even realize how potentially damaging a statement like that could be. I conclude they are so radical they didn't even recognize the possible impact. This kind of visit would only seem normal if one was very very liberal. It leaks out more and more every day that the Senator's most liberal voting record rating in the Senate is not by accident.

Posted by: Rudy | April 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

What a bunch of ignoramuses!
What lack of critical thinking!
How fear- and hate-driven are many of these comments!
Some of you would benefit greatly from traveling outside of your narrow little comfort zones, whether it be armchair traveling with the aid of good books or literally getting on a plane and seeing how the rest of the world lives and views us. Lest we forget, we are part of the global community.

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Posted by: Lynn | April 6, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

fact. obamas campaign released a statement that he and mr. ayers were friends. fact. ayers was never found guilty because the fbi used improper investigation techniques. fact. he is a self proclaimed terrorist, and he and obama are friends. according to obama's campaign. i dont know of any connections between mccain and a known terrorist do you. you can bet that if mccain had a racist, american hating pastor, or half the crap that the mainstream media is ignoring about obama he would already been ridden out of town.

Posted by: boleo | April 7, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The american public is sick of this politics as usual.

Barack Obama will be our next president. Its about time we have a president not bought and paid for by special intrests. He is a great man. You will see.

Posted by: daniel baker | April 7, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

How is this not headline news? Obama maintains close associations with a domestic terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and that's not on the nightly news?

If you want to learn more about all the horrors of electing Democrats visit: http://dont-vote-democrat.blogspot.com/

Posted by: VA Patriot | April 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

What we have seen thus far is disturbing. Usually, the president's skeletons are found during term. This man's closet resembles "The night of the living dead"...they just keep coming at you. I looked at a recent poll about his patriotism. 51% said they questioned it a lot. Don't think that these associations will not matter. They do, and it will be proven following the Denver convention.

Posted by: Mike | April 7, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

william ayers is a home born american terrorist who helped bomb the United States Capitol building, The Pentagon, Harry S Truman Building, several banks, police department headquarters and precincts, state and federal courthouses, and state prison administrative offices. why would. why would michelle obama set up speaking engagments for ayers and her husband in 2002? hmmm. obama needs to just drop out cause he has no chance.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 7, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

He will be one of our greatest presidents.

Posted by: daniel baker | April 7, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Didn't we already know that Obama had Leftist leanings? How the media created this giant ( remember Dean??) & soon it will be time to demolish him! Perhaps, in our so called democracy, the common man's got to learn that just because EVERY tv channel & radio is broadcasting a candidate's "virtues", does not really mean that he/she is worthy. Citizens, perhaps its time for you to study ISSUES.

Posted by: A political scientist | April 7, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

1968? Obama was 8 years old and how is this damaging? You people who defend this crap need to go back to elementary school!

Posted by: Mrs. Davis | April 7, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Ayers did joint speechs at Obama's university. Obama's children were raised with Ayers. They share common interests. Ayers is/was (all the same) a terrorist. What does that make B. Hussein when he knowingly associates with this type of person? NOT WORTHY TO BE OUR PRESIDENT, THATS WHAT!

Posted by: Littledoc | April 8, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

This is terrible. THis guy did that stuff in 1968 obama was 8 years old, he met him as a profossor in school. Wow this is all they can get

Posted by: Antoine | April 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Obama was 9 years old when Ayers was in the Weather Underground. It is likely that Obama did't even realize the connection in the 90's and early years of this decade when he crossed paths with Ayers -- who was and still is a professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago.

Obama and Ayers were on the Woods Fund board between 1999 and 2002. Other notable terrorist-sympathizers that have served on the Board of the Woods Fund include senior officers from UBS, BP and Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, as well as the President of McCormack Theological Seminary, all of whom I guess must now renounce all participation in politics, apologize for their lapses of judgment, and just go into hiding forever.


Posted by: Paul Revere | April 8, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

In any equitable world, Ayers and Dohrn would have been prosecuted for treason, and received a just punishment.

Obama?

Don't trust the guy.

Posted by: James | April 9, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I think the truth that Obama is trying to hide, will eventually come to light. Not from the lips of the new liberal messiah, he's too shrewd to speak the truth, but from the facts of his associations. People will see the hate America first crowd that Obama runs with, like Rev. Wright and this misguided, violent little punk Ayers and that will be the end of Obama as a national candidate. He knows it and that's why he will never speak the truth about it.

Posted by: Henry King | April 9, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Muslim PLO Shiite Connections Barack Obama William Ayers Weather Underground Woods Fund Chicago Arab American Action Network Rashid Khalidi Columbia University Invited Iran President Ahmedinejad Rallies Islamic Jihad Against Israel and Jewish People
William Ayers, head of the domestic terrorism cell in the 70's, the Weather Underground, was on the board of directors of the Woods Fund in Chicago with Barack Obama a few years back, which funded the founding of the Arab American Action Network by Rashid Khalidi, ex spokesman for the PLO, now professor of Midde Eastern Studies at Columbia University, who was responsible for the invitation to President Ahmedinejad of Iran to speak at Columbia, spreading his islamic jihad message of destruction on the Jews and all who are their friends, so we see presdiential candidate Barack Obama here directly funding, through the Woods Foundation, those who would destroy Israel and all who stand with her; the U.S. being an ally of Israel now, which Obama would apparently undo, in line with what his buddies such as Ayers and Khalidi (not to mention Pastor Jeremiah Wright) would want him to do.

These Obama maniacs remind me of Germany circa 1930's. Hitler mesmerized an entire country with his gift of gab. Obama is doing the same thing, albeit I would not compare him personally at all to the likes Adolf, but, the similarities in tactics are quite interesting. Hitler's scapegoat was the Jews; Obama's scapegoat is Bush and those persnickety Republicans. Hitler was going to rescue the German nation; Obama is going to "change the country and then the world" - his words!Hitler was a Fascist and Obama is a Socialist; two wings of the same bird. Is Obama so naive to think he is going to walk in to the oval office and dictate to 535 members of congress what they must do, and they are just gonna line up and do it? What a schmuck! He is nothing more than a dreamer. His cult of supporters are deaf,dumb, and blind when it comes to reality. He's gonna go down in flames like George McGovern, Barry Goldwater, and Walter Mondale. No surprise it's the young generation that likes him the most. They should lower the drinking age and raise the voting age! They act drunk anyway, so they might as well BE drunk!

Posted by: CW | April 10, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep this simple.

Is there any truth to this issue? It's moot. We're splitting hairs here. *none* of these candidates are saints. One thing is for sure - when you become part of the political machine in this country, you sell your soul. Some may go in with the best of intentions and ideals, but then it's conform or be cast out.

Make no mistake - to get elected/re-elected, *most* of these dregs will handily throw America "under the bus" on any issue, even if it compromises national security or the populace itself. Retention of power is their only true motivator. So anyone inclined to buy into any of their sales pitches sorely needs a reality check.

The bottom line is: anyone running for office, with a "D" or an "R" after their name, running on a platform of "CHANGE" is, simply, full of s**t.

"Change" - now there's some bumper-sticker philosophy...

Posted by: Ivar | April 10, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I keep hearing people say guilty by association is ridiculous. The problem with Obama is that he's guilty by TOO MANY associations. Is this a coincidence? I don't think so!

- Reverend Wright
- Louis Farrakhan
- William Ayers

THESE ARE SOME WONDERFUL PEOPLE TO BE GUILTY OF ASSOCIATING WITH!! OBAMA IS A SNAKE IN A BUNNY SUIT!

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Posted by: hlofwbrk ekrn | April 11, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground did bomb the US Capitol, the Pentagon, NYC police station, and a lot of other places. One of their bombs accidentally went off in a NYC (Greenwich Village) apartment and it killed people, Bill Ayers' then girlfriend died in the blast.

Then Bill Ayers went undercover with Bernadine Dorhn, and years later they resurfaced and the case was BOTCHED and they were set free. Which is AWFUL. They'd still be in prison!!

Barack Obama has been to Bill Ayers home more than once. Bill Ayers was a fundraiser for Obama. Bill Ayers contributed personal money to his campaign, as well as had fundraiser parties for Obama in his home. AND Bill Ayers and Obama served on the Woods Fund together as paid directors for three years.

Here's one of a lot of videos...ya gotta WATCH it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g

Posted by: Katherine | April 11, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse


This does not change my independent support of Obama. Ayers was wrong as a Weatherman and for his Sept 2001 comments, sadly for his book sales, made the week before 9/11.

An election is a choice between the candidates, not one and perfection. I'd rather hear Obama had dinner with Ayers than Bush having dinner with Cheney, Kristol, Rove, Pearle, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, who've run up a Trillion dollar tab counting.

We toss politicians for seeing a prostitute when married, or having dinner with a reformed terrorist but allow the Neo-Con travesty to continue while they begin to rewrite history to mitigate the Bush War's impact on their hoped for legacy.

BTW - I like Dennis Miller too, though I disagree with his Bush War opinion. Today, he was flinging the Ayers mud at Obama, with incorrect facts (Ayers was also the son of wealth, son of Commonwealth Edison CEO) without any more facts - just smoke.

We get the government we deserve. We put them there.

ET


Posted by: EqualTime | April 11, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

THERE IS A POINT WHEN YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN MR OBAMA AWAY..THERE IS SO MUCH SMOKE AROUND MR OBAMA THAT YOU KNOW THERE IS FIRE. I WILL NOT GO DOWN THE LIST CAUSE WE HAVE ALL HEARD SO MUCH ALREADY...THE LUSTER OF MR OBAMA HAS COME OFF..HIS SLIPPING AND SLIDDING AS MOST LAWYERS DO...ALL THE MONEY, BILIONIARES, THE 75 OR SO BIG WIGS BUNDLING THIS ENTERNET MONIES FOR HIM..WELL, ITS SLICK..MR OBAMA LOOKED COOL..BUT NOT SO MUCH ANY MORE..MORE LIKE A BAD MISTAKE BEING EXPLOSED. SINCERELY, JIMMIE W BECK

Posted by: JIMMIE W BECK | April 11, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

How many times can the pundits or spinners say you can't condemn Obama due to "guilt by association" with a straight face?

How many times will it take to see the inherent pattern of lies and despicable circle of friends around Obama to finally just admit he is bad news? terrorists... modern day mobsters (rezko)... hate-mongers (rev. wright, meeks, michelle, et al)...

How many times can Obama say "it was a boneheaded move" or "I should have worded it differently" or "it's not what I meant?"

poor judgment?
poor liar?
naive?

Whatever. It spells bad leadership and a dangerous level of anger and hatred in ones blood.

How many more times can they decry "guilt by association" until it's actually acknowledged that it is just plain old guilt.

Posted by: how many times can they say? | April 13, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I think Obama's comments point to an Obama unknown that we have yet to fathom. Consider today's article ran by CBS
(The Bad Company Of Barack Obama)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/11/opinion/main4009369.shtml

It really makes me wonder what Obama truly believes, in his heart of hearts. Is he also asking us to ignore his association with Bill Ayers and Khalidi, along with his association with Wright and Rezko? Yes, you are judged by the company you keep and if you are fraternizing with radical ministers, ex-Weatherman, shady real estate dealers and Palestinian fundraisers what are we, the American voters, to think? It just makes you wonder who Barrack Obama really is.

Posted by: alee21 | April 13, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama's comments point to an Obama unknown that we have yet to fathom. Consider today's article ran by CBS
(The Bad Company Of Barack Obama)
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/11/opinion/main4009369.shtml

It really makes me wonder what Obama truly believes, in his heart of hearts. Is he also asking us to ignore his association with Bill Ayers and Khalidi, along with his association with Wright and Rezko? Yes, you are judged by the company you keep and if you are fraternizing with radical ministers, ex-Weatherman, shady real estate dealers and Palestinian fundraisers what are we, the American voters, to think? It just makes you wonder who Barrack Obama really is.

Posted by: alee21 | April 13, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

History has shown, Where there's smoke there is usually fire...

Posted by: Mike Mathes | April 14, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

On behalf of the Ayers family, we denounce any violent acts against the United States Government or threats to National Security.

Posted by: AyersJr. | April 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Ayers has confessed and should be rotting in prison thoug I feel the death penalty is more appropriate.


Posted by: B. Winker | April 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Grateful Dave

This guy admits to setting off bombs, and you consider him laudable? Are you serious?

Posted by: steve | April 14, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

The real concern I have with Obama is not this one connection, but his general attitude. He's full of himself and sees others different from him ideologically or politically with contempt, and belittles the needs for experience and resolute in dealing with terrorism. It'll be all the more dangerous when the media put up a firewall surrounding him to fend off any serious criticism against him. It'll be another Bush. Bush gets to where he is because the lack of media scrutinization until total disaster. Since the sensational culture takes hold in the country, experience and qualification have been thrown out the window. And people becomes very naive making judgements based on the very subjective likability. Either Obama or McCain will be elected and the country will be worse off fours years from now, I predict, all because we have a TV raised generation who are bad at math and intelligence and good at making simplitistic judgements.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I will never vote for Obama. My reasons why...

1) All of my stupid friends like him. They say, "He's a brilliant and caring man who does things the right way." Translation: They have no idea what he stands for or what is even going on in the world. They just hate Bush, and this guy is selling them some kind of fluffy message with no content.

2) Why should I pay for YOUR healthcare. I take care of my body so I don't have to pay as much. Most people in America can afford Health Ins. anyway, but don't pay for it.

3) Troops should stay in the Middle East. Don't get me wrong, I HATE ISREAL IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER EXISTED, but America needs to keep a presence in the Middle East. That area is to volatile right now to leave. America needs to look out for #1, and that means monitering those who mean us harm. This is not a stupid stance on the defense issue. What good does it do to leave? Brings our troops home? Just so that the M.E. can become even more screwed up and we can lose even more civilian lives? Only a short-sighted fool would support pulling the troops out.

4) He gets away with stuff that he shouldn't because people want him to win. He called the working man in rural areas (I.E. Whitefolk) bitter, gun-toting, religious wackos. My friend said, "But it's true." Who cares if it's true? No realistic presidential canidate should ever be able to alienate a specific group of Americans so obviously and get away with it. What if Bush had said, "The Urban (I.E. Blackfolk) population have big lips, rob people, and have a weakness for chicken. They are TYPICAL BLACK PEOPLE." He would have been crucified! But Obama skates by smelling like a rose. What a load of bull.

I hate hillary just as much as the next sane person, but Obama is not any better.

Posted by: Thug-o-nomics | April 16, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

A man associated with the weathermen goes to my church. He's also a distinguished professor at our local university. He works for social justice, teaches youth, stands up for the oppressed, gives money to charity.
In his younger days, he was a revolutionary; through the years, like most, he has mellowed and found more constructive outlets for his visionary prospects.
Big deal Obama knows Bill Ayers. Big deal that Bill Ayers was a weatherman. What's he doing now?
It's honest to God up to the news outlets, completely, to frame the debate. What are the issues? What are the real issues?

Posted by: Gina | April 16, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

The press has all the right in the world to question Obama in the BitterGate and now that Obama worked for terrorist William Ayers. He said he was 8 when Ayers bombed New York. Nice try Obama. You were 30something when you worked for him at the Woods Project. You as an adult made the decision to work for a terrorist. This is a legitimate issue, the judgment and associations of the possible nominee. Its goes straight to the reason why democrats have lost the last two elections. It is fair to argue Obama's condescension to the small town folk because it goes directly to issues like religion, xenophobia, gun ownership and culture. And his associations with Farrahkan, Wright, Ayers and Refko should be fully vetted.

Posted by: Kay Lane Ray Rafko | April 17, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton was not a friend of Ayers or his groups of confirmed terrorist. He pardon them after and only after they served their sentences but neither Bill nor Hillary worked with the guy, accepted contributions for him...and are neighbors.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Senator Obama not only defended his relationship with William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn who were on the top ten of the FBI during the seventies, but did not even back down from it. Obama doesn't think the American people should care about his judgment in his associations. That is absurd to think that. As a Democrat I find it immoral and unethical that the media has given Obama a pass for this long. They knew about this information when he announced his campaign. Fraud has been committed upon the American voter. I know several people who would of not supported Obama if the media had put this information out to the public in the first place. This article is no exception to the bias of the media in favor of Obama. You can't be a candidate of judgment if you display bad judgment in your own personal life. Obama says he is a candidate of change as well but change is not always good either. The change in Iran during the eighties was bad not good. There are too many other examples of bad change in other countries to list here. The other point is that Bill Clinton pardoned the two people of the weathermen after they had already served time, unlike William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn who never served time at all and got away with their crimes against this country. Besides Bill Clinton is not friends with these people and does not defend their actions and character unlike Obama.

Furthermore, the information that is not aired but is out there by credible news organizations in the international community are the following: the complete story of Senator Obama's twenty year tie to the Trinity United Church of Christ (their support of the Nation of Islam and the lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan), the church's separatist policy which can be found on their website called the Black Value System, his spiritual mentor Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. and his Black Liberation Theology (stemming from Marxist ideology and is supported by the Black Panthers), the church's Pro-Palestine support and their support of pastor's trip to meet with Khadafi in the eighties who was a known terrorist, Antoin Resko and his financial association to Arab billionaire Nadhmi Auchi (who was a co-conspirator and charged with Saddam Hussein to assassinate the President of Iraq Abdul-Karim Qasim in 1959, his friendship with American terrorists The Weatherman William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn (who bombed U.S. buildings during the 1960-70's to overthrow the U.S. government), The Woods Funds membership which supports questionable Pro-Palestine organizations, Rashid Khalidi's group AAAN (Arab American Action Network) and their Pro-Palestinian fundraisers which the founder supports the PLO and his blood relationship with Raila Amolo Odinga of the Orange Democratic Movement and his interference with the Kenyan government's elections.

This will be a glaring indictment of his character and judgment, lack thereof. These connections will be a nightmare for Senator Obama to explain to the American people. Once the flood gates are opened, his campaign will be expiring just as quickly as his media generated "movement" started. I am certainly sure that the Republican Party will of course not hesitate to bring these to the attention of the American people. Would Americans be proud to have the President inviting into the White House these kinds of associations? If a registered Democrat like myself, finds all these nefarious relationships disturbing, then this will not be palpable for Republicans and for those Democrats who are not far left but who are moderate/conservative.

Posted by: Teresa | April 17, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Sorry folks, but the comparison to the other candidates is absurd. You need to swallow your pride & think about what you're saying.
A man, who may receive the most powerful position in the world, CANNOT and should NEVER knowingly socialize in a "friendly" relationship with an UNFORGIVING & ADMITTING terrorist to the United States of America (quoted Sep. 11, 2001)!
8 years comittee board members?
Senate inauguration party hosted at Ayers home?
Most recent contact with Ayers last year?
Are we losing this country?
I really hope that these 20+ brainwashed Obama posters are just in denial and we can have a Hillary vs. McCain election.

Posted by: Bye bye Obama | April 17, 2008 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Really. Are we to believe that Obama didn't know all this time who he was associating with and what Ayers unapologetically did to this country? If you have political aspirations you don't associate with terrorists or ex-terrorists - convicted or not. This plus his similar relationship with Pastor Wright has done him in and I'm glad! Although, Hitlary is no better.

Posted by: He's Guilty | April 17, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

maybe we need a fact check on them...?

The weatherman set bombs on us buildings, called before hand and never killed anyone (except 3 of their own people when a bomb accidentally exploded while they were making it). the blew up buildings in response to injustices, like when a 10 yr old black boy was shot by the NY police department, when Jackson was shot, etc etc.

Ayers never killed anyone. He "killed" cement buildings. the death penalty? i think not. where was the death penalty for the millions of people who were raped and/or killed during vietnam?

Obama has no real connection to the weatherman. He knows Ayers and Ayers is no longer a radical, just a guy trying to help out the legal way, through boards.

Clinton pardoned the actual bombers...i dont understand why billary brings stuff up that has to do with her too! like rezco and that photo, now ayers and bills pardons!

Obama 08!

Posted by: the weatherman | April 17, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Fact check this:

Who has more donors in jail, Hillary or Obama?...

Posted by: hahahahaha | April 17, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

ST E T C H - IF THIS IS ALL YOU CAN FIND IN HIS DIRTY LAUNDRY BAG GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!! YOU FOLKS AT THE POST ARE A JOKE!!!!

Posted by: JOHN CORLESS | April 17, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The Times points out today that Ayers comments about dropping bombs were in reference to a book he had written and made in an interview given BEFORE 9/11. That article happened to have been published in the NYT ON Sept. 11, clearly before the attacks occured.
HRC and ABC both blatantly misrepresented the comment last night by implying that Ayers made these comments in response to the Sept. 11 attacks, with HRC saying that the "people of NY were greatly hurt by them."

Posted by: DC in DC | April 17, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Jeff (Feb. 18 posting) makes a good point. McCain says he "cringes" when he remembers his involvement in the Keating cover up, as though it were merely a single mistake. In fact, the business of McCain's support of Keating went on long after it was clear Keating was a crook. Oh, and of course there's the Bush family connection with the S and L crisis (Neal Bush, W's brother).
As for Ayers, I remember being at Michigan when he and his pals were starting. Whatever good they may have achieved, they were, as individuals, often racist and sexist in the extreme. Those attitudes may have been muted by their experience over time. But, in the 60's at UM, they all seemed to have a sense of themselves as rock stars who could say and do whatever they wanted. Perhaps they were frustrated rock stars on one level. One of the most reasonable, contemplative members of SDS was Carl Oblesby. And he wasn't flashy enough--spoke of trying to work within the system and other " boring" approaches--to suit most of the SDSers.
The connection to Obama here is very, very vague. As one commentator implied, having contributed to Obama's (or anyone's) campaign is basically an anonymous act. I doubt if McCain would know personally if he got a dontation from Fidel Castro.
As for the Clintons, they do seem to be running a machine that puts out a lot of toxins. First the "Obama's a radical Muslim" email. Ooops, Hilary claimed, when the source was discovered as a member of her own Iowa team, I had no idea such things were coming from my workers and of course she's been asked to leave. Then the "exposure" of the real estate connection and other "scandals". (After Whitewater you'd think the Clintons would tread lightly in that mine field). There have been many such negatived "leaks" from the Clinton camp. They're doing McCain's work for him. Now this. By the time the Dems have their convention, the Clintons will have torn their own constituency apart and given McCain more juice. And McCain, who has long ago dropped his "maverick" stance vis a vis the neo-com agenda, would do anything to be president. In fact, there was a New Yorker article during the last presidential election about how he folded to pressure from Bush (Bush and Laura visited Cindy and John) to tone down his anti-Bush rhetoric. There was no explanation of why he did it, but I will bet W "promised" McCain the next presidential election.
So, will Obama be destroyed by this very vague connection to Ayers? Only if the voting public is as stupid as the media and the Clinton campaign often take them to be.

Posted by: maurice | April 17, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

He is a self admitted domestic terrorist, no different than Timothy McVeigh in what he attempted, only less effective.

The right disavows the lunatic violent fringe in their midst; Tim McVeigh was not offered a professorship, or a weekly slot on NPR. The insane left rewards the most evil among them, and even the fact checker goes along with the smokescreen.

"Whatever his past, Ayers is now a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia, and still a member of the Woods Fund Board."

No amount of coverup and equivication can ever make Ayers anything except the low life scum that he proved himself to be with his cowardly actions.

The fact that the "Chicago intelligentsia" tolerates and celebrates him is an indictment of their jugement, not a proof of his innocence.

Posted by: Zeus1 | April 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I think most Americans are becoming disgusted, not only by Clinton's tabloid tactics, but by the media's decision to play us all like fools. Ayers? An issue? The joke here is on all of us, but we're not laughing anymore.

Posted by: Emmanuel Winner | April 17, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama's friend Bill Ayers was a leader of the 1960s and 70s domestic terrorist group the Weather Underground, which was involved in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972.

All told, Ayers and Weatherman were responsible for 30 bombings aimed at destroying the defense and security infrastructures of the U.S.

Ayers described the Weather Underground, a Communist-driven splinter faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), as "an American Red Army,"

Far from feeling repentant about those bombings, Bill Ayers said, in 2001, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers also said (in 2001), "What a country. It makes me want to puke."

Reminiscing about the day they set off the bombs at the Pentagon, Bill Ayers said, "Everything was absolutely ideal. ... The sky was blue. The birds were singing. And the bastards were finally going to get what was coming to them."

Ayers also said: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at." But Ayers claims now he was sort of joking. Trouble is many of his colleagues and followers did not think, at the time, that Ayers was joking.

Ayers also stated: "There's something about a good bomb ... Night after night, day after day, each majestic scene I witnessed was so terrible and so unexpected that no city would ever again stand innocently fixed in my mind. Big buildings and wide streets, cement and steel were no longer permanent. They, too, were fragile and destructible. A torch, a bomb, a strong enough wind, and they, too, would come undone or get knocked down."

In his book "Fugitive Days," Ayers reflected on whether or not he might use bombs against the U.S. some time in the future, and wrote: "I can't imagine entirely dismissing the possibility."

That's Obama's friend.

Posted by: Candle | April 17, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Guilt by community association is one thing, but to be guilty by political association is another. Ayers DID throw a political fund raiser at his own house for Obama in support of Obama's Illinois State Senate campaign. HE's GUILTY!!! How much more obvious does it need to be???

Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Jr is just another political candidate who's propped up on double standards and double talk. He represents the miss guided, miss leading, radical, racist, ignorant, narrow minded, low character elitist communities across the US who look down upon and insult all of us who remain.
What's wrong, Barack? Ashamed of your middle name???
What's wrong with the freedom to practice my own religion? What's wrong with the freedom to bare arms? What's wrong with being proud of my country?
Sounds like Barack Hussein needs to find another place to live. Don't forget to take your wife, Michelle, with you!!! She'd be happier and less ashamed living in another country!

Posted by: CT | April 17, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Help me understand how our justice system works. Tinothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols blow up a government building & they're put to death? Life in prison? I don't recall as I lost track.

William Ayers is not convicted of anything & welcomed with open arms into the academic community.

What does that tell us about our (lack of) justice system? Why is this worthless bastard still drawing breath?

Posted by: MAK | April 17, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

What do I think? I think this is a non-issue.

Even Bill Clinton dodged the draft when 18 year olds were not allowed to vote, but were shipped out to Viet Nam~a war those who came home alive, mostly disapproved. It seems we have come full circle with a war, citizens and Iraqi veterans are protesting. Code Pink is above ground and do not use bombs to get a message across, but the group is becoming more radical in their war protests.

Those were the years of civil unrest, lynchings of 14 year old boys, killing of students by cops at Kent State. The group disbanded and grew up to be respectable citizens of society.

The thing Ayers and Obama may have in common, is a desire of a better government "of, for and by the people". The mood of the people is "Big Brother Is Watching You" so a new approach in DC is a good thing.

Obama wants to make the government work for the people, not making the people work to support the government as we do now, being at the mercy of Bush/Cheney types who have connections to Halliburton that has profits going back to those Viet Nam war days.

I think people should think more on how Clinton, McCain, Bush, Cheney others plan to find troops to send to Iran. I know. It is called welcome back draft. Might create some more Weather Underground groups, perhaps starting with Ron Paul supporters.

Posted by: MAM | April 17, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

It really is simple. Barack is on the board with a man that was once a terrorist. When he found that out, he could have stepped down knowing that someday this small fact would be revealed and frankly who needs it. Barack stays sitting in a pew for 20 plus years listening to a pastor known for his radical talk. Barack somehow makes friends with Rezko another known slumlord that most certainly was not doing good in the community. Barack is not responsible for the actions of others, but he is responsible for the actions he takes once he realizes who he is friendly with. To the best of my knowledge I am not friends with a radical professor, nor a radical pastor nor a corrupt slumlord. See I pick and choose my friends better than that and for some odd reason Barack doesn't seem to be able to do that.

Posted by: Kristin | April 17, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, Mr. Fact-checker, based on what you have documented, I think the Clinton's have more to answer for than Obama. Ayers was never prosecuted for any crime, nor convicted of any. If that is the facts, then what's the big deal?

Posted by: Sue | April 17, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

In November of 1994, President Clinton granted CLEMENCY to two "radical airheads", Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans. These women were naïve children of privilege who (unlike Ayers) were not directly involved in bombings or killings, but were support players in the Underground: drivers of getaway cars, haulers of weapons, securers of safehouses.

For this role, they each served 10 years in federal prison before their life sentences were REDUCED by President Clinton. In contrast, Obama protégé William Ayers was a leader in the Weather Underground movement who never served a day in jail, and told the New York Times on September 11, 2001(!!!) that he never regretted personally bombing government buildings and wished he had done more:


''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said on 9/11. ''I feel we didn't do enough.'' Would he do it again? "I would not discount the possibility," Ayers told the Times.

In addition, Ayers made these 2001 statements to the times while Obama was serving with him and was continuing his friendship with Ayers.

Commuting the sentences of two college students who aided the Weather Underground, but never participited in bombings or killings, AFTER the served 10 years in prision is in no way comparable to Obama's accociation with Ayers (who never did a single day in jail even though he admitted bombings--the case against him was dimissed on procdural grounds) in 2001, after he ex-terrorist said he did not regret PERSONALLY bombing federal buildings and could not rule out doing it again is not comparable.

And Bill Clinton is not trying to be president, Obama is.


Posted by: Anonymous | April 17, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

No surprise Clinton tries this-there are also photos of her and Bill with Rezco as well as a fraud suit against her by Peter Paul.What upsets me is these don't make the tv

Posted by: Paula in WI | April 17, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

So its only "Guilt by association". Well golly gee whats so wrong with hanging out with a guy who wanted to take down the American government? Nothing I guess. If you don't have any common sense that is. Oh, thats right! This particular person wants to become the President of this same United States (that his buddy tried to destroy. The one who said that he wasn't ashamed of what he did and he wished he had done more). He didn't say this a whole looong 40 years ago. No, he said it just a few years ago. I believe it was on September 11, 2001. Don't believe Barrack was 8 then, now was he.

Posted by: Pam | April 17, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I think many of you are completely off base with your analysis of the situation. To say that Obama is a terrorist because he knows Bill Ayers or even that he is guilty by association is a typical example of liberal arrogance in their assumption of the right wing. This association is just one more piece in the Obama puzzle forming a complete picture of him. The fact is that Obama has associations with people who have a bleak and angry view of America i.e. his pastor, Bill Ayers, and frankly, his wife. No one actually believes that Obama is a terrorist thats stupid to even say so. What we believe is that he's just another arrogant limosine liberal who looks down on people who believe in things like a traditional family, like going to a church that doesn't preach hate, like not aborting children because they're not convienient for you to have, like not haveing an open border and an unfair immigration policy that puts mexicans first, etc. That's all this story is about. This is not a conviction of Obama its a character reference i.e. most normal, middle class, hard working Americans do not have anti-American terrorists in their circles. Thats it.

Posted by: Brian | April 17, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The question is not whether a connection can be established between Barack Obama and a former member of the Weathermen, but whether it has any significance for the 2008 presidential camp

THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

The question is not whether there is a shred of substance to the attempts to smear Obama by (very slight) association with Ayers, because nobody, and that includes the Washington Post, gives a damn about substance. The only thing that matters is whether the smearmongers, and their allies at publications like the Post, will be able to make it stick.

Thanks for admitting it, I guess.

Posted by: Jen R | April 17, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I read the whole quote somewhere else, and the ellipses matter. During the ellipses he SAID OTHER THINGS so that when he said "I didn't do enough" it was not referring to bombing or violence but to ANY ways to get the U.S. out of Vietnam. Please print the whole quote.

Posted by: vicky | April 17, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn connection with Barack Obama is very telling. Bernardine Dohrn is Ayers' fellow bomber, and in the early 1970s she was more famous and infamous than Ayers. They live together in Chicago, and on at least one occasion in 1995 Obama visited their house. He probably visited their house on more than that one occasion, but last year he instructed all of his comrades in Chicago not to talk to the press at all on this issue. Because Obama knew that this would kill his campaign if it got enough publicity.
The press has played along, until now, but George Stephanopolis' question did NOT reveal that Obama had visited their house. EVERY POLITICAL PERSON IN LEFT-WING CIRCLES IN CHICAGO KNEW WHO THEY WERE AND THAT THEY WERE TERRORISTS WHO WRIGGLED OUT OF ALL PUNISHMENT BECAUSE THE SURVEILLANCE THAT PROVIDE THE EVIDENCE WAS OBTAINED WITHOUT A WARRANT. They were guilty, but never served a day in jail. A patriotic person would NOT visit them at their house, and serve on panels with them. As Obama did. Obama obviously had no moral qualms anbout his association with them.
They blew up a snmall bomb at the PENTAGON and ARMY RECRUITING CENTERS, among many others. Slippery Obama at the dabate said he was a child at the time. THAT IS IDIOTIC. OBVIOUSLY, NO ONE IS CLAIMING THAT OBAMA FLEW IN FROM INDONESIA WHERE HE WAS LIVING WITH HIS MUSLIM STEPFATHER TO HELP THEM ASSEMBLE THEIR BOMBS. THE POINT IS THAT A MORAL PATRIOTIC PERSON IN ANY COUNTRY DOES NOT VISIT THE HOUSE OF TWO TERRORISTS AGAINST THEIR OWN COUNTRY, AND ACT BUDDY-BUDDY WITH THEM. That, combined with Michelle Obama's statement that she had never been proud of the USA until "Barack started winning", combined with his pastor's hatred of America, shows that Barack Obama is unfit to lead this country.
Plus, Obama lied when he said he was never a Muslim. He was raised as a Muslim as a child, his father and stepfather were both Muslims, and he is listed as a Muslim in the school records at his first school in Indonesia, ABC news revealed that. So he is a liar.

Posted by: R. Astor | April 18, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

What you've written makes it seem that the Obama-Ayers connection is a non-issue, but according to other credible sources, there was more of a relationship. When Obama first ran for state senator in Illinois, Ayers hosted a gathering for him.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html
Other references to their associations can be found on: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/16/obama-asked-about-william-ayers-in-tonights-debate/
Obama was deceptive about his relationship with Tony Rezko, so there's every reason to believe he has had more of a relationship with Ayers over the years than he is admitting to.

Posted by: Carol | April 18, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

imagine, if you will, a conservative candidate who had any kind of connection to, say, eric rudolph. or a connection to an organization connected operationally to rudolph.

rudolph and ayers each had similar motivations: each took up terrorism as a "direct action" against state-sanctioned killing which they viewed to be morally intollerable. each culd be said to have been motivated by high-handed and pious moral conceits which mature citizens would regard as tendentious as a basis for violence and killing. each operated for a similar duration, committed similar numbers of acts which resulted in similar death tolls.

only one thing distinguishes the two: rudolph sits in prison, rebuked by abortion opponents, while ayers and his wife are free and pulling down six-figure sallaries at state universities while progressive democrat presidential candidates lend them their sympathy and freindship.

when is someone going to write a broadway drama about the sympathetic moral complexity of eric rudolph's "activism"?

Posted by: jummy | April 18, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

When Ayers and Obama both as directers of the Woods Foundation voted to donate tens of thousands of dollars to a known Arabic TERRORIST organization, yes , Obama will continue to be eyed with suspicion. The proper National Security Agencys should now be investigating Obama and his associations with known communists and Middle Eastern terrorist organizations.

Posted by: westxn | April 18, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama clearly misrepresented the relationship at the debate. He said Ayers was a "guy who lives in my neighborhood," when, according to a story in the Post (4/18), he was a guy who threw a party for him when he was running for state Senate and sat on boards with him for years.
Obama wants to play down the relationship for obvious reasons. Ayers may now be an upstanding member of the community, but has made statements that indicate he is unrepentant about his activities in the Weather Underground.
I don't think the relationship is a huge issue, but the way Obama portrayed it was. He was dishonest in explaining the relationship and deserves the maximum number of pinocchios.

Posted by: Carol | April 18, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

If we all had to answer for our past associations and the possiblity of guilt by association, who would be left out of prison to work, earn a wage and pay taxes so any others still free could be left could get elected and serve in congress or wow, maybe even as president.

Posted by: Peter, Illinois | April 18, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I understand that Sen. Obama has spoken to Pres. Bush on several occasions, and has even admitted to laughing with him and putting his "arm over his shoulder." Bush has dropped bombs illegally and not apologized for that, either. Does that mean I shouldn't vote for Obama?

Posted by: Tom in Seattle | April 18, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I was a young man of draft age when the first Vietnam draft lottery was held. At that time I considered myself a conservative. I was raised to believe that the government of the United States and its President acted only in my best interest. I supported the war and was told, and believed, that the fighting was necessary to keep America safe for democracy. I condemned those who spoke against our involvement.

Now that I'm older I regret that I ever condemned those who spoke against the war. I now believe that those who did speak out should be honored for their bravery and greater commitment to their country. The weather underground committed crimes for which they were willing to trade their personal freedom. I still believe that violence was not a solution. I also believe in, respect and admire those like Bill Ayers for their commitment to bring their country back from a conflict rooted in dishonesty, corruption and wholesale death.

The parallels are the same for us now in 2008 and I honor those who speak out against the illegal war in Iraq. God Bless the Dissenters, God Bless the Troops, God Bless America.

Posted by: Regrets From the Sixties | April 18, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers is not just some well established professor at the university of Chicago. He is a terrorist of the weatherman underground and the only reason he wasn't convicted is because of prosecutorial misconduct. He even admits he is a terrorist "I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough." This story was published in the New York Times on of all days September 11 of 2001. Now many will say this is just some story manufactred by the conservatives and Hillary and has absolutely nothing to do with Obama. But it has absolutely everything to do with Mr. Obama specifically pertaining to the character of Obama. This man who could very well be the next president of the United States associates with people who admit they are terrorists. This is not just some fact we can overlook.

Hillary Clinton is no better than Obama. Slick Willie "commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001." So we are posed the question "Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?" (But could have easily been convicted).

They are both equally bad. This just shows the misguided direction in which the democratic party is heading. Neither candidate is qualified enough or strong enough to beat McCain in November and we all know it.

Posted by: Jon | April 18, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The vitriolic comments that we're reading day after day, are those of Watergate Republican provocateurs whose only purpose is to perpetuate a discourse of hate and disunity. Becoming a divisive electorate places us at the great risk of failing in our mission. These Republican Wh*re mongers hold no sway with me and shouldn't with you. Let their comments wither and die on the vine. Rebuttal only weakens us and strengthens them.

WE MUST NOT LOSE SIGHT OF OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE. BARACK OBAMA MUST OCCUPY THE OVAL OFFICE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS.

Posted by: Eight Years of the BIG O | April 18, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

This is very sad to read. Regardless of whether this stuff is true (whatever that means to Mr. Fact Checker), what does it have to do with running our country? In case anyone has failed to notice:
1)We are involved in an endless war in Iraq for which we have sacrificed 4,000 soldiers (not counting the wounded), ten of thousands of Iraqis, hundreds of billions of dollars - and received nothing for it in return - not a thing.
2)We are a laughing stock among both our friends and enemies overseas.
3)The economy is moving rapidly down the tubes and unless you are in the top 20%, your wages have been flat or declining for twenty years.
4)The only things that the government appears to do with any competence or success are to spy on other people and harass people at airports - both of these more after 9/11.
5)If you are in the Top 1%? Life has been good! (But let's keep that a secret.)

How has this vetting of trivial BS and wholesale smearing of opponents led to anything positive in how our nation is governed? Can someone honestly claim that this process produces anything positive? And how would you check the facts on that?

Posted by: mts | April 18, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The difference between a nazi and a republican is that a nazi leads you to destruction at the tip of a bayonet. A republican leads you to destruction by the stupidity of their ideas. Two great choices for many great minds... Bush/McCain. Lord help us.

Factchecker - It'll be interesting to see which posts you elect to remove...

Posted by: goodguy | April 18, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"Regardless of whether this stuff is true (whatever that means...)"

behold the progressive obama supporter.

apparently reality is a fascist conspiracy against progressives.

Posted by: jummy | April 19, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

What's next.. it's okay for a prez candidate to associate with child molesters? Liberals, WAKE UP! He's a terrorist.

Posted by: Gary McCain | April 20, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

It should be noted that Bill Ayers went underground for several years when, during the construction of a bomb, it detonated prematurely, killing three of his cohorts. It was due to a technicality, and much to the dismay of the D.A.'s Office, that Ayers did not spend the rest of his life in prison. He may be a respected member of the Chicago intelligentsia now, but the fact is that he spent several years of his life engaging in acts of terrorism against his own country by his own admission. On September 11 he stated that he had "no regrets" about the bombings and that he "didn't do enough." It is an oversimplification to say that "he was never convicted of a crime." In fact, it is misleading. Bill Ayers did commit serious crimes which he now has the freedom to boast about because of technical errors on the part of some prosecutors. It seems entirely fair that Senator Obama should be asked to explain his relationship with a self-admitted homegrown terrorist.

Posted by: Anne | April 20, 2008 5:10 AM | Report abuse

It is not about establishing more evidence for a relationship between Ayers and Obama.
Obama opponents only need to suggest that Obama's change is closer to Weatherman concept of change than a voter may think.
The door is open a crack and cannot be shut.

Posted by: rbrunner | April 21, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised by the number of bedazzled commentators who are fooled by Obama's attempted distraction: obviously this is not about what went down when Obama was eight -- it is about what Ayers thinks now (the same as of September 2001) and whether or not he and Obama who served on the same board for a couple of years are pals. Obama doesn't say.

Giving a pardon to allow a criminal a chance to reform is different than providing aid and comfort to an unrepentant member of the same group.

Obama appears to base all his assessments on how people interact with him personally-- not with how they conduct themselves in general. Rezko cannot be a crook because he never asked Obama for favors; Ayers is off the hook because Obama was eight years old at the time etc.

Posted by: Jane | April 21, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

When Obama gets busted, his reaction is a "deer in the headlights" type of thing combined with being annoyed that anyone might have the audacity to question his glittering generalities, let alone to call him to task for his actions . . .

The reality is that the Obama Nation of Change has an agenda, which is to take the "me" out of "America" and to replace it with an "f" . . .

Thanks!

Posted by: Baldenario | April 21, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse


"1452"

Voters this election cycle should remember this number, particularly African American voters. This is the number of African American babies killed every working day by the evil known as abortion. Someone should definitely alert Senator Barak Obama about this fact; specifically because he is black and also let him know that Planned Parenthood, one of his favorite organizations, is in the forefront of this infanticide. It is simply amazing that the American media/press have concealed this fact for so many years. It is also amazing that past and current leaders of black America have wittingly or unwittingly participated in this massive cover up. The likes of Rev. Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, and past leaders William Dubois, founder of the NAACP and also Martin Luther King who in 1966 was awarded "THE PLANNED PARENTHOOD FEDERATION OF AMERICA MARGARET SANGER AWARD". Dubois and King were carefully nurtured by Planned Parenthood as laid out by Sanger in excerpts from the letter that follows.

Margaret Sanger, the Founder of Planned Parenthood and also a eugenic had a plan in the 1930"s to eliminate the black race. This effort became known as the "Negro Project" .In a letter dated December 10, 1939, she wrote to Dr. Clarence Gamble (of Proctor and Gamble fame) and told him:

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Senator Obama, in a speech given before the Planned Parenthood Action Fund on July 17, 2007 is quoted as saying:
"Thank You, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!" He continues later: "Thanks to all of you at Planned Parenthood for all the work that you are doing for women all across the country and for families all across the country-and for men who have enough sense to realize you are helping them, all across the country. I want to thank Cecile Richards (national president of Planned Parenthood) for her extraordinary leadership. I am happy to see so many good friends here today, including Steve Trombley and Pam Sutherland from my home state of Illinois. We had a number of battles down in Springfield from many years and it's wonderful to see that they are here today"
He went on to say: "Some people argue that the federal ban on abortion was just an isolated effort aimed at one medical procedure--that it's not part of a concerted effort to roll back the hard-won rights of American women. That presumption is also wrong."
Continuing he said:
"There will always be people, many of goodwill, who do not share my view on the issue of choice. On this fundamental issue, I will not yield and Planned Parenthood will not yield."
So in other words he joins Jackson, Sharpton and other black leaders from the past who are assisting and have assisted in exterminating the black race in America.
They have as an ally in this devious effort........ Senator Hillary Clinton who is also running for President. She is quoted at this same meeting in July of 2007 as saying:
"How do I thank Cecile Richards for being the President of this great organization and committing herself to not only continuing and protecting the work that Planned Parenthood has done for so many years, but bringing these issues into the political debate? No one is better suited to do that than Cecile, and I'm so grateful to her for her leadership and her friendship.
Now, I don't need to tell you what you already know-that Planned Parenthood is on the front lines. That, you are the ones who are running the clinics, who are conducting the educational programs. You're often the ones who are the sole advocates for women and families in the areas that you come from and, sometimes, at great personal risk, you're the ones who push through the crowds and the demonstrators to get to work in the morning.
And I am extremely grateful to you for that, because for, too many women, you are the only place to turn"
Clinton goes on to say which is certainly right out of the Negro Project's handbook: "Today, we have a two-tiered system in our country. According to a report by the non-partisan Guttmacher Institute, high-income women have a quick, convenient access to contraceptives. Low-income women don't. And today, poor women are four-times more likely to experience an unplanned pregnancy than women with higher incomes."
Guess what, low income women are made up of 1/3 black women who are going to their clinics to kill their babies. Even though blacks make up only 12 percent of the nation's population, they account for 30 percent of all abortions. Most abortion clinics (roughly 80%) are located in minority neighborhoods. Lynching's early last century were heinous, but they pale in comparison to the killing of blacks today by abortions. Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr Martin Luther King said "The great irony is that abortion has done what the Klan only dreamed of." Again Sanger's Negro Project is succeeding even better than she ever planned and she has the most powerful people in the land helping her. Two of them are running to be President of the United States of America.
Fortunately there are some black leaders who are working very hard to let their fellow black Americans know about this tragedy that goes on daily in our country. Dr. Alveda King mentioned above is one, another is Rev. Clenard Childress the founder of www.blackgenocide.org a website dedicated to among other things a project that covers the development, production and distribution of the "Sanctity of Life" curriculums to African American Churches, also an effort that establishes a Study of Genocide and Eugenics.
One other dedicated black American who is fighting to get the message of infanticide out to the black community is Day Gardner, Director of Black Americans for Life.
Their mission is:
"Black Americans for Life is a national organization committed to saving the lives of Black babies through education and outreach. It's well known that Pro Life people work to protect the unborn wherever and whenever we can and explaining what happens to an unborn child in abortion is part of what BAL is all about.
We stress education and outreach because abortion is running rampant among minorities, especially within the Black community. It is necessary for all of us to take hold of the reins to stop this abomination. When African Americans understand the devastating effect abortion is having on our culture and ultimate survival as a race, they will respond!"
To black Americans we suggest you will never have equality in our country until you start protesting about our society killing your black baby brothers and sisters........... and to all Americans black and white if we truly want to improve race relations in the United States of America and become one; we will join together to stop the plague known as abortion......the number "1452"...... should become the new rallying cry of Americans who love!
"1452 "
Norman Yerke, is a former construction executive and also founder of a 527 PAC "Americans for Life" in the 2004 election cycle pointing out the barbaric "partial birth abortion" procedure.

Posted by: Norman Y | April 21, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Man if I've ever seen a smart as_ piece of cra_, Bill Ayers is it -- and not only does he refuse to repent for his past deeds, he says he should have done more. Bombed more buildings. Killed more people I guess. This is the guy at whose house Obama chose to have his Democrat coming out party!!!! Democrat hell ! Communist is more like it! Look at Ayers own web blog festooned with communist stars and check his speech in Venezuela calling Chavez and others his "comrades". Do you really want a communist for president?

Posted by: Craiger | April 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Here's why I think the Ayers issue is a valid concern for American voters. And it isn't about the bombs.

True...Ayers and his followers set a series of bombs, some with the intention of killing servicemen at a USO dance. And it's also true that Ayers remains unrepentent about his terrorist activities.

But the dangerousness of Ayers has always been his skill at manipulating others for his own political agenda. During anti-war demonstrations, Ayers and his followers would assault police officers to provoke a violent response. The goal was to get the non-violent protesters to get their heads beaten in by the police. Ayers wanted to see the anti-war movement radicalized into an anti-American movement that he could further manipulate into some kind of Marxist revolution.

Since going "legit," Ayers has continued the same kind of manipulative behavior, but this time under the cover of being an education professor.

His specialty in the field of education is the indoctrination of students into a radicalized political world view. This guy seriously wants to start 2nd and 3rd graders on a path of hating their country, hating private property, hating capitalism. It's great if we adults want to debate the merits of socialism versus capitolism, statism versus freedom. But can any sane person think that it's Ok to start indoctrinating elementary school children into antipathy towards this country?

The fact is that Ayers is a manipulator who has spent the last 20 years manipulating future teachers and school children for his own political beliefs. That I think is far more harmful than anything he did as an active terrorist.

Ayers war against the American system is not a thing of the past. As a young man he conducted that war as a terrorist. As an older man he continues to make war on America but as an educator. Obama associated with him while he continued his campaign to bring down America.

Posted by: Michael (MA in Education) | April 22, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

You failed to mention that Bill Ayers hosted an event in his home for Barack Obama when he was running for senator. This indicates that their association is somewhat deeper than your piece leads us to believe. If we are giving facts we need to include ALL facts not just those that prove our point.

Posted by: mmr miami | April 22, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

MMP Miami

I do believe that Mr. Ayers and Senator Obama have a relationship that is more substantial than the Ayers, Obama, or the media have reported.

Whatever the extent of their relationship, it's clear that Ayers is still militantly opposed to such institutions as private property and free enterprise. He considers America to be a country built on every evil the world has ever produced. He still seeks a "revolution." He said as much in a statement he posted since the controversy erupted (April 18th to be exact).

My big concern is the fact that he's been able use his taxpayer funded position to promote his extremist beliefs in the k-12 classroom, indoctrinating both college students and 1st graders alike.

Posted by: Michael (M.A. in Education) | April 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

There are other proof points of a cozy relationship between Obama and Ayers that are not getting mentioned in this article.

Read more at http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/04/finally_the_media_discovers_ob.html

"Wondering whether the three may have crossed paths is not speculation. It is a fact that they have. Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama have appeared together at a number of gatherings and academic events. In November 1997, Ayers and Obama participated in a panel at the University of Chicago entitled Should a child ever be called a "super predator?" to debate "the merits of the juvenile justice system".

In April 2002, Ayers, Dohrn, and Obama, then an Illinois State Senator, participated together at a conference entitled "Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?" sponsored by The Center for Public Intellectuals and the University of Illinois-Chicago. Ayers and Obama were two of the six members of the "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis" panel.
This information, along with the fact that Obama served with Ayers on the Board of the Woods Foundation, gives the lie to Obama's claim that he doesn't know Ayers very well. And both of those forums at U of C were set up by none other than Michelle Obama in her capacity as University of Chicago PR executive; eviidently she too saw nothing wrong in glad handing with terrorists."

A few coincidences, sure, that's understandable. But when they just keep coming...even if they aren't a big deal to Obama personally, he can bet his hat that they WILL be one come November. Especially when, as Ayers was busy plotting to blow up innocent people, John McCain was being beaten and abused as a POW in Vietnam.

Posted by: E Crain | April 22, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to imagine someone as far to the right as Ayers is to the left that a Republican presidential candidate could be discovered to have a relationship with...and survive.

The only person on the right who is comprable to William Ayers is David Duke. Duke may not have set any bombs, but his views are just as repugnant as those of Ayers.

Does anyone think McCain or Huckabee could have made it through the primary season if it was discovered that they had served on a board with David Duke, and had their political careers launched at David Duke's house?

Posted by: MJM Palm Springs | April 23, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

what a group of left wing nut jobs...please tell me that you all have been neutered and that you're not passing on your genes!!!

Posted by: Normalperson | April 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I do take issue with some of these comments. Kristin says "To the best of my knowledge I am not friends with a radical professor, nor a radical pastor nor a corrupt slumlord. See I pick and choose my friends better than that and for some odd reason Barack doesn't seem to be able to do that."
Kristin, you honestly don't know what the people you are acquainted with are doing - you might know a pedophile, a rapist, a peeping tom, a former felon...

Ayers and Rezko aren't best friends with Obama, they aren't even close friends. They are acquaintances. I don't think that Pastor Wright's comments were wrong. To me his comments were exhortations for America to do better than it has done, not hate speak -
It's funny, the Rush Limbaughs of this world have their own radio show and spout some of the ugliest messages, yet being friends with them never hurt a republican...Hagee preaches that Hurricane Katrina was gods punishment to New Orleans and that AIDS is gods punishment to gays.... yet McCain gives him a hug, he endorses McCain and not only is it not a problem, but a necessary step for Republicans to believe McCain is conservative enough for them.

Ayers serves on a charity board that Obama served on and that was how he met him. Ayers is also a university professor now. I would say Obama is a fairly open minded and fair person.

You can be sure the powers that be have dug long and hard to even come up with something they can throw at Obama. If this is the best they can do I would say he is pretty damn clean.

Posted by: Susan Murphy | April 23, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

All this sounds like they definitely need to put more non-violent drug offenders behind bars! Not real criminals like HRC, the Republican Party, or half the damn government that is locking us up to begin with! 1% of our population is in prison people!

Posted by: Hola Pepinos! | April 23, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Obama and his critics are arguing about the wrong moral question. The more pressing issue is not the damage done by the Weather Underground 40 years ago, but the far greater harm inflicted on the nation's schoolchildren by the political and educational movement in which Ayers plays a leading role today.

What he can be blamed for is not acknowledging that his neighbor has a political agenda that, if successful, would make it impossible to lift academic achievement for disadvantaged children. As I have shown elsewhere in City Journal, Ayers's politics have hardly changed since his Weatherman days. He still boasts about working full-time to bring down American capitalism and imperialism. This time, however, he does it from his tenured perch as Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago. Instead of planting bombs in public buildings, Ayers now works to indoctrinate America's future teachers in the revolutionary cause, urging them to pass on the lessons to their public school students.

The next time Obama--the candidate who purports to be our next "education president"--discusses education on the campaign trail, it would be nice to hear what he thinks of his Hyde Park neighbor's vision for turning the nation's schools into left-wing indoctrination centers. Indeed, it's an appropriate question for all the presidential candidates."

---Sol Stern

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0423ss.html

Posted by: Michael (M.A. in Education) | April 23, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

The question was not whether you think it is a valid point, or whether you think it is worth merit in determining Mr. Obama's character. The question was whether "it has any significance in the 2008 Presidential election". The fact that we are discussing it tells us that it has. The fact that it was brought up by the Republican nominee tells us that it has. The fact that Sen. Obama is already having difficulties pinning down the white working class vote, tells us that it has. Being relatively new on the scene he may yet have other issues that will come to light that could do even more damage.

The question was whether it has any significance, and we are talking about it... What do you think will be next?

Posted by: Robert | April 23, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Seems like Obama is always trying to explain himself out of one mess or another - Obama says that I was only 8 years old when the Weathermen were doing these things - that was not the point Obama, the point is and was there connection with radical ideas of Ayers, your pastor and others who molded your outlook on life - all I can say is that I never hear Obama talk negative about those like Ayers or Wright, but he would rat out his own Grandma for being a typical white woman - Barack Obama has been given a free ride because he is a handsome black man with a silver tongue - the late Jerry Nachman of MSNBC once said that todays reporters sit around and wait for sound bites then run with them and that they do not dig up any info on their own as they did in the past - If we had this info a year ago would Obama be where he is today

Posted by: Johnny G | April 24, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Yes, to answer your question. It has and it will.

Bill Heath
Tucson, AZ

Posted by: Bill Heath | April 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

So, what you are telling us is that a "typical white woman" should be afraid of black men, should make racist comments about them? That, if they don't, that is what should surprise us because it would be atypical? That is so sickening.
Wasn't Obama 8? If I meet a prof in a university today, I should be asking them what they were doing when I was eight? I am guilty then because I never asked any of the professors that taught me or that I associate with what they were doing when I was eight. And if they were throwing bombs or snorting cocaine, I shouldn't sit on the same board with them even if they have repented and done other great things? Why are we so self righteous? Who will throw the first stone? Certainly, if anyone who remotely ever did anything in their youth would be segregated, who among us would be standing? How about Hillary and imaginary fire in Bosnia not so long ago? Similarly, does Hillary's long association with a man who has been found to lack sound judgement, at least on one occasion, make her a person of questionable ability to make sound judgement? Will she go out and get men when she is president because after such a long association with Bill C., she must share his belief that its ok? Or even he himself, should we continue flogging him for a temporary lapse in judgement? Finally, I didn't know that Obama's grandma was ever chastised by Obama - all he said was that he knows in his heart of hearts that grandma loves him and truly all what these things should show us is how deeply these racial divisions have been ingrained in our sick society. And something has to be done about it - and that is precisely what Obama is: a part of the solution.

Posted by: Mumbay | April 24, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that white women better be afraid of black men as they do tend to kill white women when they kill more than black women

Posted by: Jake | April 24, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Had retired terrorist Ayers bombed for right wing causes, he would be locked up in Supermax to this day, and any politician who so much as drove through his zip code would be radioactive.

Posted by: The Sanity Inspector | April 25, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Could Bill Ayers become a political embarrassment for Obama? Not all by himself. But we're seeing more and more embarrassments for the man. Frank Davis-Communist Party-Early Mentor to Obama; Jeremiah Wright-Black Liberation Militant and Pastor-Pastor to Obama; Raila Ordinga-Islamic Candidate-Cousin to Obama; and the list goes on...
His supporters haven't done their homework. They're blindly following someone that they know nothing about. It's like a cult. Mesmerized into thinking this is the great black hope for America. It's absurd. What we'll see if Obama is the Democratic Nominee is a failure because he will not be able to withstand the scrutiny of the Republican Party. Can you say four more years ladies and gentlemen? Uhhhggg!

Posted by: Yolanda | April 25, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

This is wonderful! Let the Dems just continue to unravel themselves. If they keep this up, there won't even be a contest in the general election. Operation Chaos at it's best!

Posted by: walkin tall | April 26, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Yes Ayers is an embarrassment for Obama but more importantly, Obama is an embarrassment to himself.

It appears Obama has told Pennsylvania's voters a very big fib less than a week ago if this article I was reading today is true (see http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/04/26/why-is-obama-hiding-the-truth-about-william-ayers-follow-the-money/). A snip-it from the article reads:

"...In 1995, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created to raise funds to help reform the Chicago public schools. One of the architects of the Challenge was none other than Professor Bill Ayers. Ayers co-wrote the initial grant proposal and proudly lists himself on his own website as the co-founder of the Challenge.

And who did William Ayers, co-creator of the Challenge, help select as the new director of the board for this program? Barack Obama. Barack Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. This appointment came at a crucial time in Barack's life. He was on the verge of challenging longtime state Senator Alice Palmer for her job. When Barack decided to run, it is no surprise that he turned to William Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn for help in organizing the campaign and in hosting his first fundraiser in the district.

Obama served on the board for eight years until the Challenge ended in 2003. Bill Ayers was intimately involved in the Challenge over this same time period...."
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Obama stated on the April 22nd Pennsylvania debate that he had a "flimsy" relationship with our US terrorist Mr. Ayers, when in reality he worked with this guy for at least 8 years (1995 to 2003). If this story is true, he can forget ever getting elected. I think it may end up being a record-setting year of the number of democrats that will cross-party lines to vote for McCain in November!

Posted by: PA Voter | April 27, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Seems like we have a tremendous amount of "SMOKESCREEN" issues comming to the forefront, designed espeecially, to keep American voters COMPLETELY in the dark!!! ~ It seems, also, that NOBODY is bringing up the fact, that Obama was and is promoted and supported by the infamous Chicago Political Machine, which has been in business since the 19th century, and has NEVER been about CHANGE, of any kind!!! ~ Keeping the power and using that power to control all of Chicagoland, by maintaining the status quo, at ALL costs, be their actions legal or otherwise, is what this Machine has always been about!!!! ~ Americans NEED to know about who is promoting the candidates, instead of being "SMOKESCREENED", by the media!!!! ~ Check your facts!!! ~ Can you spell "G_A_N_G_S_T_E_R_S"???

Posted by: Arbuckle Doc | April 27, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I love to watch "Dems" (cute word for a bunch of delusional people, so cuddly) get so spun up they start to unravel and foam at the mouth. Ayers is typical of the sorry self serving trash that came out of the 60s. They have contributed nothing to our society and never will. Naturally this qualifies him to be a member of the liberal elite.

Posted by: web | April 27, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

People are right- there are a lot of things we do not know about Barack Obama, such as:
1. Did he ever cross the street against the light?
2. Has he ever played Clue, Monopoly, Risk, or Chutes and Ladders?
3. If he were a bird, which bird would he like to be?

Things we do know about him:
1. He's never made a killing off cattle futures.
2. He's never lied about being under sniper fire.
3. He's never threatened to "demonize" people who didn't support him.
4. He's not stiffed small businesses by failing to pay his presidential campaign debts.

Oh, and we also knwo that he has a barely existent, totally irrelevant, chance connection with a 60's radical. Well, make that two- Bill Ayers and Hillary Clinton, both of whoms only possible relationship they could have had with Obama at the time of those actions were as his babysitter.

Yup, these are some real good reasons not to vote for him...

Posted by: TJ | April 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The answer is a resounding NO. If you keep digging in any of these other candidates closets they have had associations with people of questionable standards. This incident happened more than 40 years ago. And, I doubt if Obama were given a seminar on the weathermen's group while he was growing up. As Sen. Obama stated "this is something that happened when I was 6 or 7 years old. Can we move forward, Ayers is a distinguished professor at a university. When Obama first met Ayers, I doubt if he said now you were once the weathermen...

The people in London don't run the U.S. and maybe they have their motives against Obama - whatever, it won't work. He's the only candidate where the news keep popping up about associations - associations that don't mean anything to him because of the rare visits occurring between the associations. This is just one gutter way to smear someone. But, the one who has smeared the campaign everytime she opens her mouth is Hillary and she gets a free pass. No one is talking about the sniper fire lie, she denied it several times before being presented with the video. Her audience change, her lie changes. She has said that she wouldn't have wanted to be associated with someone like Rev. Wright. Well, she can begin with her husband, Bill who took her through more than 30 years of sex scandal. So, why not "reject and denounce" that. And, where is Monical Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones and etcetera??????

Posted by: CHANGE | April 29, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Senator Obama would make a good president due to his foreign policy pledge. However, I don't think this story of a "weatherman" connection has any merit. This Ayers character may have had (and still have) very violent goals, but he is a professor at a university and he was never convicted. I don't think Senator Obama decided he wasn't to be convicted, nor did he appoint him to the position of a professor. So, if Senator Obama is bad, so are we.

Posted by: Devin | April 29, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I am a Republican, conservative. I voted for Bush last election. I am terribly disappointed in him, and his administration. He lied to us, and he is responsible for the spread of Al Qaida by invading Iraq, and in Afganistan by not staying there with enough troops. I should be ready for change, right? I am. But I cannot get a handle on what Obama is going to do about the war, about the soaring gas prices, and about the billlion-a-day we borrow from China to for the war. In fact, I can't get a handle on what any one of these candidates will do. I don't care about the Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Obama's wife, or the comments he made--I care about the fact that he is an empty suite with empty ideas. His rival is a crook. And McCain, who I will end up voting for only because he is the lesser of all evils, is corrupt as well, just less so.

I will say this: I don't think Obama is an American-hating, racist, terrorist, but he doesn't get it: he needed to disassociate from these people years ago, and because he didn't do that means he is etiher naive or not that bright. Do we need another dummy in the white house? I say not.

Posted by: brian Hemstreet | April 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The issue is not whether Obama is guilty by association of a terrorist act that occurred when he was eight years old. There are several pressing questions that have current relevance - Did Obama really affirmatively seek Ayers' support for his political candidacies? And if so, did Obama know that Ayers was a former Weatherman and an unrepentent and admitted terrorist when he sought that support? If so, these facts raise serious questions of judgment.

Posted by: Patrick | April 30, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

how old was Obama when Ayers said " i don't regret setting bombs, i don't think we did enough..." He certainly wasn't 8 years old , was he? Obama did not only serve on a board with Ayers, he went to Ayers home "as a rite of passage" to begin his political career. Obama's campaign admits they are "friends" and that Obama has sought his advice in the past. Ayers is a self-admitted, non-repentant domestic terrorist. a friendly association with anyone who has this belief system is unacceptable to be president.

Posted by: quepdds | May 1, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

We also need to consider the statement that "Obama was only 8 yrs old when that happened" the statement itself is rooted in ignorance. An ignorance of history. Are we to believe, therefore that Obama shouldn't be aware of American and World history prior to his adult life? I wasn't born when WWII broke out, but, i am very much aware of the political and social issues that caused that conflict to break out. A candidate with no knowledge of history should not seek the highest office in the world.

Posted by: quepdds | May 1, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Please do a fact check of this video on Barack H. Obama that Gop and illuminatti pictures is putting out there.

I know there was the cuban militant flag in his huston office that is a concern.

http://www.columbiacountyrepublicanparty.org/

msga

Posted by: msga | May 2, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Can he even get a vacation between full fledged smear attacks? Look going to No Quarter to learn about Obama is like going to Ahmadinejad to learn about Israel.

This statement is funny:
"He was on the verge of challenging longtime state Senator Alice Palmer for her job. When Barack decided to run, it is no surprise that he turned to William Ayers..."
Palmer had decided to step down and she took him to Ayers home to meet people and endorse him as her successor. Palmer did change her mind later and decided to run again so he did run against her, but not then. That's hardly Ayers launching Obama's political career! Or would that be the whole $200 he donated to a later Chicago campaign?

Obama did serve on Chicago Annenberg Challenge initially, but work closely with Ayers?

The Chicago School Blog notes this on March 07, 2007
"...story claims, somewhat mysteriously to me, that Barack Obama was deeply involved in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge -- something I never heard of when I was researching a long report on the CAC in 2001, and never heard since. How involved was he, really? (And, BTW, how much of a claim to fame is CAC, anyway?)

Here's the piece I wrote from 2000 about the Chicago Challenge" and links to the piece here
http://www.edexcellence.net/institute/publication/publication.cfm?id=41&pubsubid=634#634

Perhaps he should have taken a larger role to get more accomplished.

Then people try to make them sitting on the Woods foundation board sinister. Obama joined the board after law school in the early 90's, invited because of his community organizing experience and community action was what most of the funds went to. Ayers joined in 99 and Obama left in 2002. The 10 member board met 4 times a year.
So people are saying that the "Christian thing to do" would be to walk off the board because of what a man was involved with 30 years before even though he was living a decent life for all these years? Seriously?
Hillary said about accepting Scaife's endorsement "But I do believe in redemption"

When is it appropriate for Obama then to treat someone with civility and be willing to do public service although he is there?

The foundation gave many small grants every year, usually under $50,000. They went to neighborhood groups of all sorts, things like arts and culture projects in Chicago's poorest communities and sponsored community activism.
"It has funded ex-offenders to lobby for the elimination of mandatory minimum sentences and unfair drug laws, organized senior citizens to advocate for affordable housing, pushed parents to get more involved in their children's crumbling schools. The fund has linked public policy groups with community organizers--wonks with activists..." Now they are condemned because they gave a $40,000 grant to a group to provide social services to Arab immigrants in Chicago. That's a bad thing?

Good works is sinister now? And Obama would be a better man if he condemned a man who had been living a fine life for decades because it's politically smarter due to idiots who try to make something out of nothing?

Obama is first too white and then too black, first too meek and now too dangerous? And somehow an elitist intellectual and an empty suit all at once.
He is not some scary unknown. Because of his relative fame as Harvard Law Review Editor the Chicago press has had him under scrutiny from the start. I'm a middle aged white cynic who scours through all the information on candidates (and not from hate blogs or rumor mills) and Obama is the first candidate who the more I learn about the more I admire. Unfortunately I've never seen a candidate have to gight so many smeard and distorted half truths.

If he were a dirtier campaigner it wouldn't be his associations people were worried about...or the foundation that he sat on.

"The effort of the Clinton campaign to feed the media frenzy is particularly ironic, given Hillary's six-year tenure on the board of Wal-Mart and directorship, in the late '80s, of the New World Foundation, which is to the left of the Woods Fund and considerably more political in its grant-making. In the '90s conservatives slammed New World--and by extension Clinton--for funding the Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador, the National Lawyers Guild and Grassroots International, which backed two PLO-affiliated groups on the West Bank while Hillary was on the board. At the time Stuart Eizenstat, Bill Clinton's deputy Treasury secretary, called the reports "erroneous, irrelevant and outrageous slander on Hillary Clinton." That's a pretty good description of what Obama and his former colleagues are enduring today."
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080519/berman

Posted by: JoshN | May 3, 2008 4:46 AM | Report abuse

Really need to check out this latest interview installment about the Obama/Ayers saga from Fox News. Seems there may just be more to the connection than the Obama campaign would like us to know.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/05/03/william-ayers-the-weather-underground/

Posted by: PA Said No Obama | May 3, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

William Ayers and the Weather Underground are/were "Leninist". German Socialist Luxa Rosenberg said Lenin's methods were "Neo-Mongilian". As in Ghengis Khan. And, Lenin ordered the murder of adolescent members of the Czar's family. Just a bunch of True Believers, these Leninists.

Ayers and Obama are not working class.

Posted by: Logan | May 3, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Ayers and the Weather Underground are/were "Leninist". Lenin literally destroyed freedom of speech in Russia. His methods were likened to Ghengis Khan by German Socialist, "Rosa Luxemberg", who called them, "Neo-Mongolian".
Lenin ordered the murder of the Czar's entire family, including children.

Just a bunch of Left-Wing Fascists and True Believers.

Posted by: Logan | May 3, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

May 3, 2008, Saturday: Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn never killed anybody -- unlike, I might add, the United States government, who have killed millions and, through organizations like the Agency for International Development, World Bank, and similar such agencies, billions -- of human beings.

I personally was in the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) in three localities, Baltimore, Maryland, Westchester County, New York, and Madison, Wisconsin, between the early fall of 1964, and May-June of 1969. I attended many SDS meetings at both the Baltimore (Johns Hopkins University) campus, Westchester County (my own home), and Madison, Wisconsin (University of Wisconsin), locations, in those years. I was in a political faction or current in the May 1969 national SDS convention in Chicago, Illinois, who disagreed both with the so-called "Revolutionary Youth Movement" faction of SDS (part of whom later became known as the Weatherman current), and the so-called "Worker-Student Alliance" faction of SDS. I was in a faction in 1969 who called ourselves the "Revolutionary Socialist Caucus" of SDS. I later personally, in 1973, went over to the Trotskyists of the Spartacist League. I resigned from them in 1976, but continued defending their positions up through about 2005. From the start of 2006 roughly up through now, I have defended different positions roughly corresponding with the positions of the Marxists of www.ibrp.org and www.internationalism.org. I have been politically organizationally unaffiliated since, however, I resigned from the Spartacists in late 1976.

Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn are being slandered and libeled both by John McCain's Republican campaign, Hillary Clinton's campaign, and by elements in Barack Obama's campaign, for bourgeois electoral advantage.

Neither Bill Ayers, nor Bernardine Dohrn, nor the Weatherpeople or "Weatherman" faction of the old SDS ever murdered or killed anybody at all. The claim and/or allegation that they did is libel, and, I hope, they will secure competent libel attorney (attorneys) for purposes of destroying said libelous accusations in the courts.

Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, whatever my serious disagreements with them in the 1960s and 1970s (and those disagreements were deemed by, at least, them, to have been sufficiently serious for them to have censored my own letters to the SDS "New Left Notes" national newspaper due to what, I suspect, they inferred were my then-Trotskyist positions), are personally decent, subjectively decent, long-time opponents of racism, exploitation, and oppression.

They are only now being put "out there" "in public" because Bill Ayers happens to have been on some local community board with Senator Obama.

To a significant degree, too, even though I electorally support no capitalist politician running for president (that is, running to administer the imperialist mass murdering armed forces of United States capitalist imperialism), Senator Obama is primarily being attacked for no reason save that he is tangentially and coincidentally associated with a former SDS colleague of mine from the 1960s.

But, in my own personal view, it is an honor to have been in the same national organization of left-wing egalitarian internationalist youths of the 1960s as the Students for a Democratic Society with Bill Ayers, and, additionally, his friend and companion, Bernardine Dohrn -- even if either, or neither, of them do not like the fact I adhered to a form of Marxism they disliked (i.e., Trotskyism, and more recently, left-wing communism more or less in the same programmatic and theoretical "ballpark" with the International Communist Current (www.internationalism.org) and International Bureau for the Revolutionary Party (www.ibrp.org).--Allan Greene, Email: tompaine1917@yahoo.com

Posted by: Allan Greene | May 3, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers STOMPS on American Flag!

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/03/stomp-on-this/

Posted by: JOHN | May 4, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers STOMPS on American Flag!

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/03/stomp-on-this/

Posted by: JOHN | May 4, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama needed to bolster his Liberal street cred and turned to Ayers... Ayers had a fundraiser at his home for Obama... that part was left out of this article... maybe not widely known at the time it was printed. http://www.FRedStates.com - Your Anti Obama SuperStore!

Posted by: FRedStates.com | May 5, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The problem Obama faces is a consistent and growing pattern that makes many question his judgment.

He goes to a church for 20 years where the pastor makes repeated bigoted comments about America and racial groups.

He marries a woman who frequently expresses anti-white sentiments.

He associates with an unrepentant terrorist.

He accepts sizable campaign contributions from a man now on trial for fraud and extortion of politicians.

Each of these factors on their own doesn't hold much weight. Add them together and they paint a picture of a person who at the very least shows poor judgment.

The people you surround yourself with are a reflection of the person you are, which in my mind, raises serious questions about Obama's fitness for any political office.

Posted by: Molly | May 5, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

There may be nothing to Bill Ayers and Obama besides just wanting his support in his run for the Illinois state senate. What bother me about Obama is that he ran on the premise of change but what will he change when its politics as usual in everthing that is discovered about him. How will he change Washihgton should be the Question. As an Illinois senator there were no measureable change, in fact when there were hard issues he voted present. His association with Ayers and Wright show a side which reflects perhaps that he is very far left as his record indicates. His childhood reflect this as most kids that have come from a privileged life. Ayers, Wright and Obama life were privileged. I'm from Hawaii and I went to a public shool system he went to an elitist private school. When he went to Indonesia, his new father was a business man with money. He only played with kid that were poor. That's why he has a hard time understanding most average Americans and his comments about rural America hit home. He is very good with language and is the best I have seen spinning his mistakes, but like I said he's a Politician that's very likeable but then that's what he is supposes to do, and that's the hardest thing that bothers me is that he should have told the truth from the beginning and be his self.

Posted by: steve | May 6, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Obama actually announce his intent to run for Presidency at a party given at William Ayers home? I believe that connection would be a bit more solid if he is making this big of an announcement in the home of a self-admitted bomb-thrower.

How about that for facts?

Posted by: Jamie Bauer | May 7, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

As for pushing for Clinton and using this story to do so would be false. I have no interest in any of the people running this time around. I can't believe we got down to these three. If this is the best we can do, our awareness of what this country needs to continue in any sound life is truly short-sighted and ignorant.

Posted by: Jamie Bauer | May 7, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Hilary Clinton had an association with a really bad lying cheating guy...and he would be her right hand man in the white house. Lets go through the list of every person on every board that McCain ever sat on...what a load of crap.Hey, here is another good way to assess Obama...did you know he actually lived in a city full of criminals, he probably sat next to one in a bus one day...and you want such a guy to be President!!America...a clown society full of clowns.

Posted by: Ian Matheson | May 8, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

Do not attempt to distort facts Mr Non-Fact-Checker:

You said; Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?

Mr Ayers was charged and arrested for the terrorists acts. He just got off because of technical reasons. Someone failed to follow the proper legal procedures before he was arrested and checked his home. They found bombs and other weapons that he had used when he set off the bombs at the Pentagon. Furtermore, he has never denied it because he knows he will never be charged. And after September 11 he said he was proud what he did and wish he had done more. He was cheering to what happen to the people at the Twin Towers.

Mr Obama was forty years old when Mr Ayers made this comments and they held a friendly relationship. They were friend and members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition Ayers contributed to his campaign. And when Mr Obama was asked about Ayers the very first time he admitted they were friends.

Historys shows Presidents have pardoned hundreds of Americans and most of these people are people they do not even know. It just happens that American people start requesting pardons at the end of a each President's terms. And most likely at this moment Bush has hundreds of pardons requests waiting for him to check before the end of his term. So you cannot compare the President's history of pardons to a Presidential candidate and Obama's suspicious companionship. And furthermore, Bill Clinton is not running for President.

Ayers is Mr Obama's friend and Obama admitted to it when asked the very first time about him. So do not attempt to distort facts Mr Non-Fact Checker.

Posted by: LindaGr | May 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Some of you folks are morons. Ayers is no hero, no saint, and his attitude towards America, and it flag can be reflected in BHO's very public refusal to wear the American flag on his lapel. BHO's inability to wisely choose his associates runs to the heart of his run for the president. BHO's failure to choose his associates wisely before running for the most important position in the free world speaks mountains of his poor judgement. Jugdement such as his is not what we need in the White House.

Posted by: Jim Oblinger | May 13, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

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