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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 03/26/2008

Clinton Corrects the Record

By Michael Dobbs

Campaigning at the University of Pittsburgh, March 25, 2008

"I did misspeak the other day. This has been a very long campaign. Occasionally, I am a human being like everybody else....I have written about it in my book and talked about it on many other occasions and last week, you know, for the first time in 12 or so years I misspoke."
--Hillary Clinton, Interview with KDKA Pittsburgh radio, March 25, 2008.

Hillary Clinton has finally admitted that she "misspoke" when claiming that she came "under sniper fire" in Bosnia during a March 1996 visit to U.S. troops enforcing the 1995 Dayton Peace Agreement. At first, the Clinton campaign maintained that the "mistatement" was limited to one occasion on March 17 when she talked about running across the tarmac "with our heads down." In an interview yesterday with the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, the New York Senator attributed the mistake to her "sleep-deprived" condition.

A review of the record shows that she provided embellished stories of her visit to Bosnia on at least two previous occasions, while campaigning in Iowa in December and Texas in February. By the end of the day, Clinton was making a joke of her ordeal: "I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human which, you know, for some people, is a revelation."

The Facts

While Bosnia may have still been considered a "potential" war zone in March 1996, there were no open hostilities. NATO troops were patrolling the area in force, engaged in tasks such as mine clearing and blowing up old ammunition dumps. According to Adrian Pandurevic, a reporter with Associated Press TV, recalled that "there were no armed groups roaming Bosnia, or any significant threat. The former frontlines had been bulldozed." He described claims of "sniper fire" in and around the Tuzla base as "simply ridiculous."

Rick Atkinson, a longtime military correspondent for The Post and author of two highly regarded books on World War II, was also in the Tuzla region around the time of Clinton's visit, reporting on the activities of the 1st Armored Division. He remembers hiring a rental car and roaming by himself over back roads between the air base and the city. He said in an e-mail that "the only danger was from mines, and those had all been removed from the air base area," and from plane crashes caused by bad weather conditions, of the kind that killed Commerce Secretary Ron Brown near Dubrovnik in April 1996.

Atkinson recalled that the Tuzla story had "become so boring" by late March that the Washington Post had practically lost interest, and he was reassigned to a different part of Bosnia.

It is, of course, entirely plausible that the Secret Service was nervous about escorting the first lady into what had recently been a combat zone and insisted that she and her traveling companions wear flak jackets for the landing in Tuzla. It is also possible that Clinton heard reports about "snipers in the hills around the airstrip," as she recalled in her 2003 autobiography, Living History. But there is no evidence that she was "forced to cut short an event on the tarmac with local children" because of sniper activity.

On the campaign trail, Clinton began providing further embellishments on the Tuzla tale. In Dubuque, Iowa, on December 30, she said she was the first high-profile American to go to Bosnia after the signing of the peace agreement, overlooking President Clinton's trip to Tuzla in January 1996. "We landed in one of those corkscrew landings and ran out because they said there might be sniper fire. I don't remember anyone offering me tea on the tarmac there."

The reference to not being offered tea on the tarmac was evidently a riposte to a claim by Barack Obama, a few days earlier, that Clinton's eight years in the White House as first lady were a glorified "tea party."

A corkscrew landing is a technique used by military pilots to land in a war zone to limit the risk of being hit by ground fire. Instead of beginning its descent 20 miles from the runway, the plane arrives over the airport at a high altitude and then twists down in a tight spiral, like a corkscew. Other passengers on board the C-17 that brought Clinton from Ramstein Air Force Base remember a steeper than usual approach, but not a classic corkscrew landing.

Clinton repeated the sniper fire claim in a February 29 campaign rally in Waco, Texas. Contrasting her foreign policy experience with that of Obama, she mentioned her visit to Bosnia when a welcoming ceremony "had to be moved inside because of sniper fire."

Questioned about this speech yesterday while campaigning in Pennsylvania, said that she remembered being told by the military and the Secret Service that "we were going into a war zone...I was the first first lady taken into a war zone since Eleanor Roosevelt." But she added that she acknowledged that she had "made a mistake" in talking about her Tuzla experiences, both on March 17 "and recently." Pressed about her statement that she had only "misspoken" once in 12 years, she said she "was joking."

"Gosh, lighten up, guys," she told the reporters. "I say millions of words every week, and there's a lot more, you know, room for error when you're talking as much as I'm talking."

Clinton spokesman Phil Singer declined to answer questions about the incident.

The Pinocchio Test

In an effort to polish her foreign policy credentials, Clinton has been telling exaggerated stories about her April 1996 trip to Bosnia for many months. After a week of missteps, she has finally come up with a reasonable strategy for putting the story behind her: acknowledge her mistake and make a gracious joke about being "human." Since I have already awarded her a maximum four Pinocchios here, it seems churlish to add any more for her tall Tuzla tales.

By Michael Dobbs  | March 26, 2008; 6:00 AM ET
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Whining about Obama's connection to bonehead Wright's church sermons is like throwing out a painting by Picasso or Rembrandt because there's a microscopic flaw in the frame it's in.

Obama not only admitted very graciously that bonehead Wright's sermons have on occasion been highly offensive, he even made one of the greatest speeches on race ever made in this country in order to confront the question head-on and show his sincerity.

The Clintons have MORE lame excuses, lies, and gutter-level politics --- that's their answer to those who dare to question their 'mistakes'.

Clintons: get out NOW.

Posted by: skyriak | March 26, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

Actually there are now 4 documented cases where she told this fabrication. Hardly a one time sleepy minded misstatement. This story was a premeditated conscious effort to portray this incident as being more dangerous and more significant that it really was. This woman lacks integrity and trustworthiness. Not fit to be POTUS.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 26, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

BBC had a major story last night slamming Hillary's credibility -- Bosnia sniper lie, Nortern Ireland lie, NAFTA lie, etc. They were totally mocking her. She is becoming a pathetic joke all around the world.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 26, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

She needs another four Pinocchios because even her explanation was a pack of lies. She didn't misspeak, she lied. Over and over and over again. An honest apology was needed, not more prevarication.

Posted by: Jayne | March 26, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

In the BBC program last night, Lord Magillis, who was head of the Northern Ireland Good Friday Peace Accord practically laughs at the suggestion Hillary had anything to do with No. Ireland peace.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 26, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

To indicate this is a misstatement is in itself a mistatement. The fact is that Hillary lied and she lied on a number of occassions. When we make errors sometimes they are positive, sometimes negative but Hillary only makes mistakes in her favour. No wonder the American people find her to be so untrustworthy. The way she has brought up Wright just shows her to be despicable and again reverting to gutter politics.

Posted by: Jon Michael | March 26, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Campaign Clinton is in denial. Her attack dogs are destroying the Democractic Party all for the lust for more power. When you see their income tax they will have plenty money from selling out Americans to Arab interests just like they sold us out in NAFTA. Clinton put us on the road to third world wages and Hillary wants to keep us there. You can see why the uneducated vote for her because they are to blind with race hatred. They will believe anything. If you can decive people that their land is being invaded and the men to fight for their plantaion owners like our civil war, well what the Clintons are doing isn't a far strech. The super delegates are a bunch of cowards that are allowing them to screw the party.

Posted by: albert jackson | March 26, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

This incident calls into question all of her other claims during her 35 years of "experience". Let the vetting begin!

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 26, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Bravo !!!! to : David Brooks, conservative columnist who just now on 'Morning Joe'/MSNBC insisted the Clintons should stop NOW.

When Mika again suggested Obama's critics are still harping on bonehead Wright's sermons, Brooks AGAIN insisted the Clintons cannot possibly win.

He further submitted that the Clintons are possibly willing to damage the party because they mistakenly believe (...HIS words) that Obama cannot possibly win.

Clintons: get out NOW.

Most people simply don't like --- and don't TRUST --- Hillary. And now Bill had destroyed much of the good will he had, as well.

Most people like and trust Obama .

It's that simple.

Posted by: skyriak | March 26, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Too churlish to add more Pinocchios? I don't think so! Hillary and her lies earned them! Can't be trusted to tell the truth!

Posted by: meldupree | March 26, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

The reason this story is so important is that it irrefutably confirms what many of us have believed about her for some time -- she lies and lies alot. She usually gets away with it but not this time. She was caught telling a huge bald-faced lie repeatedly and completely contradicted on video for the whole world to see. This woman is not fit to be POTUS.

Posted by: Bob, DC | March 26, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

If anyone is still in doubt about the true nature of Hillary's character, this says it all.

When she (or Bill) lies, it's simply an innocent "mistatement." When anyone else makes a verbal faux pas, it's death-by-firing-squad time!

Two different standards -- one for the rich and elite, one for everybody else.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 26, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Gee, with all the queen's world wind peace missions, the queen's brokering of Ireland's peace deal and the queen fixing our health care system, it's a wonder that she has any time to campaign for president.

And you bleeding heart liberal lunatics what this liar to be president. God help you!

Posted by: mmcg1 | March 26, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to hear Mrs. Clinton explain again how the Rose Law Firm billing records magically appeared in her book room in the East Wing some 18 months after they were subpoenaed.

And please tell us how a "vast right wing conspiracy" was able to leave part of Bill on a blue dress.

Posted by: louise | March 26, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

If, as she reportedly claims "sleep deprivation" caused her to "mispeak", how can we trust her with that 3 a.m. phone call?

Posted by: stephen | March 26, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

This is classic Hillary Clinton. Lie like a rug and when she gets caught, lie some more.
Her Bosnia trip is like her experience, a total fabrication.
She is a first class dirt bag that shouldn't even be allowed to visit the White House.

Posted by: DWayne | March 26, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Just proves what I've been saying for years. She is a big liar and a pile of poo.

Posted by: Jimbo | March 26, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

"I'm human" was not a gracious joke. She was trying to wiggle out of a corner. This was a prepared SPEECH. There was time to check facts. Her Bosnia story is no different than Bush's Iraq story.

Posted by: leu2500 | March 26, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

If you have a few minutes,

PLEASE ( !! ) read Maureen Dowd's Wednesday column in today's NYT --

( ... by the way it looks like NYT might possibly have become aware of the real danger of ruthlessly slanting it's 'news' in favor of the Clintons --- they have at least very for the moment very suddenly stopped doing that)

Dowd clearly describes the now-pathological need the Clintons might very likely have to destroy Obama totally and completely, even though they KNOW she cannot win, so that she can have another chance in 2012.

THAT'S the kind of sick, twisted, obscene ruthlessness we are seeing from the lying clintons. I for one believe it is very possible that's what they're doing.

Posted by: skyriak | March 26, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Request to someone in the media - Please ask Mrs. Clinton - if it wasn't this time in Bosnia, at what time was she really running for her life from sniper fire? She may have gotten the time and location confused with some other time, but I believe her if she says she was surrounded by gunfire at some point in her life. You just don't make this stuff up unless you are Tom Clancy.

The media is not doing there job by allowing her to just say that she "misspoke".

Posted by: Anonymous | March 26, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal "thank you, thank you, thank you" to U.S. troops.
But this was a day of celebration and celebrities - a day for the U.S. troops helping to uphold the Bosnian peace accord. Mrs. Clinton hosted a USO show with comedian Sinbad and singer Sheryl Crow and briefly addressed the gathering.
But the highlight of her trip were visits to two fortified posts outside the U.S. base in Tuzla. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.
Riflemen rushed to the brush line as the helicopter landed and surrounded her as she walked into the post. Located in a "separation zone," the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

Security was tight - fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to Tuzla - but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on the trip.

Lexis - By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press, March 25, 1996 It wasn't off the C-17 it was when she went to the outer post four Pinocchio for the fact checker.

Posted by: Turns out your Lying | March 26, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Don't you people have a Lexus account? Here is more.Contemporaneous news accounts confirm that Hillary's trip to Bosnia was a dangerous situation:

Hillary's trip to Bosnia marked the first time since Eleanor Roosevelt that a first lady traveled to a potential combat zone. Accompanied by singer-songwriter Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad, Mrs. Clinton traveled to this northwestern Bosnian town on a morale-boosting tour for the 18,500 U.S. troops participating in the NATO-led peacemaking operation. She heard a poem of peace from a Bosnian girl and praised U.S. troops for 'showing what American leadership is.'...This trip to Bosnia marks the first time since Roosevelt that a first lady has voyaged to a potential combat zone. During World War II, Roosevelt toured the devastated streets of London and the southwestern Pacific, bringing cheer to U.S. troops. [Washington Post, 3/26/96]

Hillary was 'protected by sharpshooters' in a 'military zone' when she visited troops in Bosnia. "Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal 'thank you, thank you, thank you' to U.S. troops. 'They're making a difference,' the first lady said of the 18,500 Americans working as peacekeepers in Bosnia. Mrs. Clinton became the first presidential spouse since Eleanor Roosevelt to make such an extensive trip into what can be considered a hostile area, though others have visited hot spots..." [Charleston Gazette, 3/26/96] The fact checker has now become just another hit job for this Black Racist paper Eugene Robinson must be running the place.

Posted by: Heres more | March 26, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

If the ongoing lies don't warrant more long noses, then they must not warrant being written about. So why bother??

Your bias is showing yet again. Please change the title of your column from "The Fact Checker" to "The Fact Chucker When They Don't Fit My Agenda".

Posted by: 33rdSt | March 26, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Come on. Give her four more for lying about her first lie being the only lie which was a lie.

Posted by: Mark | March 26, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Who cares about this (OR someones pastors old sermon)?!? How does this affect my pocketbook, whether my kids will get to go to college, whether I can afford to get sick, or my ability to put food on the table?

Please....write about issues that matter.

Posted by: Average Voter | March 26, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Her rationale for the lie was a lie itself. How is that not worth additional boys with long noses?

She lied in order to make herself sound something greater than she is. Repeatedly. Got Caught. Then explains it by saying not that she "lied", but that she "misspoke", compounding the offense by blaming her lying on a lack of sleep.

Posted by: marcus | March 26, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm not kidding this guy who calls himself a fact checker ought to quit.She did spend some time in the cockpit.

So it was probably no accident that the C-17 pilot was a woman, Capt. Cheryl Beineke of Ohio. She is among just four female C-17 pilots out of about 100 in the Air Force.

"I'm loving every minute of this," the pilot said after Mrs. Clinton spent several minutes in the cockpit.

Source - Lexis - By RON FOURNIER, AP International, March 25, 1996 You need to leave this job you are ether to lazy or stupid to it.Shame on you and this rag of a paper.

Posted by: Heres More | March 26, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Has Hillary ever had to "run from sniper fire" anywhere, anytime in her life? This is a big event that one would remember if this has happened to or not, and if it has never happened..then she may have some very serious mental issues of reality or just a obvious liar. Does she not realize that there are living breathing humans in the world with her who may also remember a few things in their lives and that not everyone is going to believe her "without a doubt"..come on....imagine if we have to put up with these fairy tales for MINIMUM of 4 years.

Posted by: sean, maryland | March 26, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Occasionally, I am a human being like everybody else..."

So, what are you every other time, Hillary? A robot?

Posted by: Dar | March 26, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I believe that the bigger story is being missed. HRC version of Tuzla and GWB and Iraq. I am prepared to stipulate that she was moved into an armored cockpit(doesn't the First lady drive around in bullet proof car even when in the US, there was cork screw landing and flak jackets were given. However, from those facts she was able to manufacture in her mind a heroic story. The more she told it the more heroic it became. On March 17th there was no doubt in her mind about the events. Now I ask you does that sound an awful lot like George Bush.

Posted by: rds748 | March 26, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Americans have to be asking Sen. Clinton the hard questions. If by sleep deprivation, she could create a story that never happened; I guess from her dream, then what will happen when that 3.00am Phone call comes?
Getting up from sleep, I believe she will create a better story. Americans should just push this Joke called Sen. Clinton to the dustbins of Historical LIARS.
She is just a LIAR and would LIAR even when caught. Show me your Husband and I will tell you your Character..... "I have no sexual relationship with that woman".
"We flew in under sniper fires"
Thanks Sen. Hi-liar Rod-hand Clinton

Posted by: Chrys1 | March 26, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Ok -- so, let me get this straight ;

Obama might stuble or screw up some how so we (the Clintons) should throw knives, baseball bats and rocks at him in the meantime, in case he stumbles ???????

That's their rationale for reminding people at every opportunity that he is 'African-American' ?? (Which he is not, he is half a-a and half caucasian)

That's their rationale for lying repeatedly and accusing Obama and his campaign of the very gutter-politics that they (the clintons) are using to destroy Obama in case he screws up ?

that's how the Clintons are going to bring people together?

Do they believe that people are that stupid?

Do they think people are going to forget how miserable and unforgettably dirty their tactics have been?

Are people going to forget that within hours of their victory in New Hampshire, there she was, reminding everyone that MLK would never have succeeded without LBJ's help?

Does ANY thinking adult believe she didn't know exactly how she was stirring up the latent racism which may very possibly have been the reason for the discrepency between the polls the day before NH (secret votes, not publicly declared caucuses) --- and the voter turnout afterward ?

... and many many many other examples of dirty politics from the Clintons too numerous to list here...

Posted by: skyriak | March 26, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Months and months ago as Obama was beginning to get traction, a Hillary supporter and I debated who would win the primary. In frustration, he shouted at me "Give me one good reason why Hillary will not get the nod with all she has going for her!"

"Simple," I replied,"She and Bill will conjure up all the images of their past and what we don't like about both of them. In the end, she will hedge the truth here and there and folks will tire of her." That is exactly what she has done.

Posted by: Angus Macaulay | March 26, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

So, Hillary Rambo Clinton got caught in a lie because of chronic sleep deprivation, huh? Well, what is she going to do at 3AM? Is she going tell another lie? "Sorry President Hillary's out on combat patrol! Call back later." Four more pinocchios, four more pinocchios!

Posted by: Absolute 0-K | March 26, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Politics it is.
And just when Hillary was seeing her Google Trends rating go up, it literally reverses, as Barack's reaches for the sky (see second chart in link);

Posted by: Dave | March 26, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Jeopardy Answer & Question:

A: "Clinton Corrects the Record"

Q: "What does Hilary do when caught lying?"

Possible prediction of the next "Clinton Corrects the Record" moment: She'll tell them in Arizona that she took the 3:10 to Yuma to be in the Shootout at the OK Corral.

Posted by: Patriot3 | March 26, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

President Bill so hated his wife and teenage daughter that he sent them into war torn Bosnia with the understanding that they would be under sniper fire. Now if the voters of Pennsylvania believe that story then they certainly deserve what they get if they vote for Hillary.

At best the Clintons are a disfunctional family (and that includes the $200,000 a year over paid 28 year old daughter) who are in great need of therapy. We certainly don't need them to bring their mental illness and sense of entitlement back to the White House.

Posted by: Huma Huma | March 26, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human which, you know, for some people, is a revelation."

This statement by Clinton accepts no responsibility for the untruths she incorporated as a central part of her argument for why she has more experience in foreign affairs. She says she 'misspoke'-- which makes it seem as if her claims were accidental rather than deliberate.

"That happens" -- what, the lying? "That happens" makes it sound like her words were the result of some impersonal outside force.

"It proves I'm human"-- yes because using calculating lies to bolster your own thin record, and then insinuations to slime your opponent's are in fact all too human.

The superdelegates need to get off the fence and end this farce.

Posted by: mike | March 26, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

A "gracious" joke about being human? Seemed more snark than gracious.

Posted by: RollaMO | March 26, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse


Just like OBAMA misspoke when he hadn't heard any controversial comments at his racist, separatist, american hating church....and then two days later he said he DID hear controversial comments.

At least with Senator Clinton you can excuse it because it was over 12 years ago. Obamas was only two days old.

So Obama should be the last one throwing stones.

Obama is also the one who has exaggerated his work on legislative bills and has exaggerated in his his own characters have attested.

Obama claimed credit for a nuclear bill that was NEVER passed

Obama claimed credit for an immigration bill when in reality he wasn't that involved.

Obama claimed that he hadn't heard any controversial statements at his racist. hatred, anti-american church....and then two days later he said that HE DID hear controversial statements.

So if the best thing you can throw at Senator Clinton is that she made a mistake regarding Bosnia......then you need to focus on ALL the misspeak or lies that Senator Obama has said through out the campaign.

There are so many more Obama misspeak/lies if you want them I will be more than happy to list them for you!

Obama is not what America needs....we cannot trust him with America

Posted by: c | March 26, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Clinton exaggerates and it becomes a huge story even though news clips at the time called the area dangerous and this article acknowledges that she had to wear a flak jacket and was probably cautioned by the Secret Service.
Obama, on the other hand, tells outright lies, and the press ignores it.
Obama has been deceptive throughout the campaign about his associations with Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko. He repeatedly denied that Wright was controversial, yet he cancelled Wright's appearance at the ceremony announcing his run for the presidency. Then he said he never heard Wright's controversial statements, only to finally admit he had.
With Rezko, he described him as someone active in Chicago politics, when he was actually a friend who had contributed generously to his campaigns, held fund-raisers for him, and helped him buy a house (by purchasing the lot next door that had to go to settlement the same day as the house).
He "embellished" his record in the Senate, according to an article in the Post this week, and was even admonished for trying to take credit for legislation he had hardly worked on.
Why isn't this pattern of lies worse than Clinton's exaggeration? Oh, I forgot -- the media favors Obama and dislikes Clinton.

Posted by: Carol | March 26, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

She "misspoke" the same thing three times. That makes it an intentional lie, not a mis speak.

Posted by: Katie | March 26, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Bob wrote: "BBC had a major story last night slamming Hillary's credibility -- Bosnia sniper lie, Nortern Ireland lie, NAFTA lie, etc. They were totally mocking her. She is becoming a pathetic joke all around the world. "

Exactly! That's why I chastised her yesterday (not in person mind you :)) when she told the Pittsburgh Post Gazzette that that was her first "misspeak" in "12 or so years." If you are going to try and cover up a lie, do not use a qualifying remark!!! It makes you look stupid and pathological when your other lies come out. Appoligize and move on.

Only Hillary and her campaign adviser goofballs could take a campaign that gaining steam and which looked like it might actually run ahead of Obama and torpedo it. Ready on day one, no.

One last remark. If she can't help but lie and misspeak because the long campaign has made her too tired to think straight, how can she claim she'll be ready at 3 a.m. to handle a crisis???

Posted by: Chris | March 26, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Most people simply don't like --- and don't TRUST --- Hillary. And now Bill had destroyed much of the good will he had, as well.
Most people like and trust Obama .
It's that simple.


I really do wish it was that simple. Unfortunately an awful lot of the people who are supporting Hillary are saying that if she loses, they will vote for McCain.

Those people need to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror. What they will see there is either a bigot, a traitor to their country, or both.

I despise HRC, but if she somehow steals the nomination I will vote for her (but I'll take a shower after to clean off the stench). I love my country more than I despise Hillary and I don't think this country can survive another four years of Republican rule.

Posted by: Katie | March 26, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Obama has been deceptive throughout the campaign about his associations with Rev. Wright and Tony Rezko. He repeatedly denied that Wright was controversial, yet he cancelled Wright's appearance at the ceremony announcing his run for the presidency. Then he said he never heard Wright's controversial statements, only to finally admit he had.

You are a liar, along with Hillary. It's no wonder you support her. Barak Obama has been very forthcoming about both Reverend Wright and Rezko. He gave a very long interview to the Chicago times about his association with Rezko. Read it, you might educate yourself. He also did say that he never heard Reverend Wright's controversial statements. He said that he really did hear Wright say the things that were plastered all over the media. What he said is that he had heard the Reverend say some controversial things he disagreed with. You are rather lacking in critical thinking skills if you can project that to his admitting he had heard Wright say the things he was being criticized for saying.

Are you one of the Hillarybots who are going to vote for McCain if Hillary loses? If so, take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror. You will see a bigot and a traitor looking back at you.

Posted by: Katie | March 26, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm praying the rumors re: Sen. Reid of Navada are true;

He reportedly told a questioner yesterday that 'things are being done' to end the Clintons' efforts to destroy Obama and ruin the Democratic Party...

What bothers me most of all about the Clintons is that they are much smarter than most of the people who support them at this point (--- most of the smarter, more open-minded people (who don't 'owe' the Clintons a favor) have wisely gone to Obama)

So, the Clintons know very well how they are ruthlessly USING people not smart enough to pick apart their race-baiting, offensive, insulting statements.

RE: Chelsea Clinton telling that guy who asked her about the Lewinski affair that it's none of his business ---- yeah, true, but : ... Chelsea, what do you expect when your parents are making so many good and decent people so angry ?

Maybe your folks should stop lying and stirring up racism, and then probably people won't be so angry.

Posted by: skyriak | March 26, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

This is so much more than a "misstatement". It's not like she was under sniper fire 8 times and got confused about this time. This is a calculated lie.

It's also an insult to those who have come under sniper fire.

And then she tosses it off: "Hey, I say a lot of things. Are ALL of them supposed to true?? Ha ha."

Again and again Hillary regards "Truth" as just another option to be selected if, and only if, it serves her purpose.
And when she is caught in a lie, she has the pomposity to laugh at us.

Posted by: Jerry | March 26, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

If mistatement about events 12 years ago is thebest you can do, Obama supports get ready. When you throw dirt it comes back. There are 3 more weeks until PA primaries and Obama vetting has only just begun.

Posted by: Starbucks2 | March 26, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

If mistatement about events 12 years ago is the best you can do, Obama supports get ready. When you throw dirt it comes back. There are 3 more weeks until PA primaries and Obama vetting has only just begun.

Posted by: Starbucks2 | March 26, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I've been working in Washington for years, first in the Pentagon and now for another agency. "I misspoke" is Washington talk for "I lied and you caught me." Substitute that translation the next time one of our fine politicos utters that phrase "I misspoke." and you will see it is a perfect fit. We laugh in our office every time one of the senior knuckleheads uses that phrase.

Posted by: Jimbo | March 26, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Mispeaking and lying are two different words. I would believe that she mispoke if she did it only once and in an conversation format. But she did it three times and two of them she was reading from prepared remarks so that's not mispeaking. That's overstating, enhancing the facts or in other words, lying. Period.

Posted by: o. v. wong | March 26, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"When you throw dirt it comes back."

Last I checked it wasn't Obama who shed light oh Hillarity's lies. That would be the reporters, numerous newscameras, entertainers, greeters, etc, etc. that were at that airbase.

When you puff yourself up with ficticious "experiences" and put them front and center as part of your campaign again and again, you set yourself up. It doesn't take any help.

Are HRC's supporters really this stupid???

Posted by: Chris | March 26, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse


go choke on a latte

Posted by: christian | March 26, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Chris: Sadly, yes they are.

Posted by: skyriak | March 26, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse


Are you kidding me???

Calling someone Katie when their name is Kathy...that's "mis-speaking."

But going on an elaborate made-up story about sniper fire and threat of life and limb when it was absolutely not true is not mis-speaking.

It's an absolute lie.

We have now seen everything possible from Hillary during this campaign. She has tried to CHEAT her way into Florida and Michigan delegates, she has resorted to NAME-CALLING against her opponent, she has PLAYED THE RACE CARD and now, she has flat-out LIED.

That's the Clinton way.

No thank you.

Anyone but Hillary.

Posted by: Noozdude | March 26, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The perfect Obama campaign commercial for the upcoming primary states:

1) What Hillary Claims - video of "I had to run from a possible sniper attack"
2) What Actually Happened - video of little girl handing Hillary flower with Chelsea at her side
3) Her excuse for "Misspeaking" at least 4 times - video "I was sleep deprived"
4) Close up of Hillary - "Is this who you want answering the phone at 3 a.m.?"

Can't think of anything that would quickly get the point across better with a minimum of verbiage.

Posted by: jk5432 | March 26, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Jonathan Lawoyin | March 26, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Your softball handling of Hillary is the reason that the traditional press is falling out of favor. Can you look-up the word "misspoke"? Hillary did not misspeak, she lied. For the brainless who work at Washington Post here's the English word lesson of the day: Misspoke, accidently using the wrong word: as in John McCain use of the word "Iran" when he means to say "Iraq." When told of the error, immediately corrects himself. Lie: Knowingly telling a false story, with great detail. Continuing to tell a false story and embelishing it each time told. Then arguing that you are telling the truth when others contradict the story.

To be a credible newspaper, the Washington Post has got to stop diversity hirings and begin hiring people who have IQ's at least in the mid-80s.

Posted by: Bill | March 26, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse



Thanks for your stupidity. This column fact checked Hillary's statement and declared that Hillary lied (that would be the 4 Pinocchio's). For a person who admittedly hates minorities because he thinks they have a lower I.Q, try some reading comprehension. What a dolt!

Posted by: Chris | March 26, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

A lie is a lie! If she was so sleep deprived what type of decision is she going to make at 3:00a.m. on just a couple of hours sleep.

Posted by: Eddie | March 26, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

A lie is a lie! If she was so sleep deprived what type of decision is she going to make at 3:00a.m. on just a couple of hours sleep.

Posted by: Eddie | March 26, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

She misspoke. Once maybe. But on 4 seperate occasions?!? And exactly the same misstatements. We call those lies Hillary. Get ready for another 4 years of reality parsing if Hillary is elected. "Define the word "is" please..."

Posted by: markinsa | March 26, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

a lie is a lie, miss hilly. we heard you perfectly well when you said in your speech something like the following: "I remember very well coming into sniper fire and ducking and speeding for cover to the cars". You said you remembered very well about this incident; this is not misspoken words at all. I do not think you are suffering from Alzheimer yet; you suffer from compulsory lying syndrome, and in this particular case there is no way out from the evidence only to try to cover a lie with another lie.

Posted by: Frank Rivas, Rockville, MD | March 26, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

So many of these posters(blacks) just hate white posters.If you are so interested in truth ask Barak why we see his picture sitting in church nodding his head while the Great Minister is screaming hate and then he lies about being there.Also how he got his million dollar house,what happened in the back of the limo??WaPo doesn't print all the white posts!!

Posted by: ggranny21 | March 26, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse


How's the Aryan Nations treating you today??? Bigot is as bigot does I guess...

Posted by: Frank The Tank | March 26, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm getting really confused. First I thought Hillary was a solid citizen. Then I learned she is a consummate liar. But now she can't lie her way out of this pure unadulterated fabrication? Does that mean she's not qualified to hold office in this country? I mean, how can someone be a bad liar and expect to get elected to any post in this screwed up democracy?

Good bye Hillary. That is a Bosnian fork sticking out of your ugly pantsuit!!!

Posted by: jeffp | March 26, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm getting really confused. First I thought Hillary was a solid citizen. Then I learned she is a consummate liar. But now she can't lie her way out of this pure unadulterated fabrication? Does that mean she's not qualified to hold office in this country? I mean, how can someone be a bad liar and expect to get elected to any post in this screwed up democracy?

Good bye Hillary. That is a Bosnian fork sticking out of your ugly pantsuit!!!

Posted by: jeffp | March 26, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

One more thing I forgot: Where are the new pinnochios for this lie about her Bosnian lie. It is even more obvious now that this was not a "misstatement." It was included in a written speech she gave at least four times, that you could have accessed on her website: I'

Posted by: jeffp | March 26, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Misspoke or lied? Sounds like another example of "what is is." The big question is, Why do people lie about things that are easily proven to be false? It's quite reckless, isn't it? We have been living under the Bush regime of falsehoods that has us mired in yet another quagmire of a war. Do we need another 4 years of pathological Clinton lying? McCain is not much better. So far, Obama has not lied about anything. In fact Obama comes right up front and addresses controversary in a manner we haven't seen in our recent presidents.

I remember in the 1980's when Duke Tully, publisher of the Arizona Republic and good friend and supporter of John McCain, collapsed under a pile of lies. Tully had been rejected by the Air Force, but loved planes, so he joined the Civil Air Patrol. I think that's when he started "reinventing" himself. He eventually invented a heroic war record and convinced everyone that he had flown more than 100 missions in Vietnam, and had been awarded a number of military decorations including the Purple Heart and Flying Cross. It was all fiction!

As lies do, eventually everything came out into the open and he resigned as publisher. His own paper printed his verbatim remarks: "It just built and built, and suddenly I was under an avalanche and could not get out of it. As you move up the ladder, it just snowballed and got away from me."

Posted by: Jack | March 26, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

No matter how long you've been campaigning, no matter how many words you've uttered, no matter how sleep deprived and/or stressed you may be, it is IMPOSSIBLE to confuse standing on an air base runway with your daughter and an eight year old Bosnian girl with being under sniper fire. The story has been growing with the telling. She went along with a USO show, for crying out loud! If that qualifies you to be Commander in Chief then Bob Hope should have served three terms.

Posted by: Ralph Cramden | March 26, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Since Clinton is now lying about how many times she's lied about this Tuzla thing, Michael Dobbs should have taken the opportunity to bestow more Pinocchios on her. Letting her off with only the four original doesn't do her justice.

Posted by: Paula G | March 26, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Let me guess. She was also awarded three Purple Hearts. One for breaking a heel, one for breaking a nail, and the last for getting her hair mussed, and she threw her medals over the White House fence in protest... right?

Posted by: John Kerry | March 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone ask Hillary if she visited Blarney Castle while in Ireland---maybe that will be the next excuse. Mr. Carville brought up reference to Judas and the Richardson endorsement. Perhaps the Biblical reference for this week should be Peter's three times denying to know Christ. The signal there was a cock crowing and in this case thank God for videotape. We probably would have had two full terms of Nixon if it wasn't for the taping system which actually did make things perfectly clear.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | March 26, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

From "Head of State"

"Monday, March 24, 2008
I Misspoke

It was a treacherous night landing. Ice had formed on both of our wings, and as I looked out the port window, I could see it breaking into shards, flying off into the night sky with each near barrel roll of our C-50, highlighted by the flares shooting past on either side of the cabin, turning them into falling prisms of wildly careening light.

As the cabin lurched back and forth and the sounds of rocket fire percussed the urgent, faltering rhythm of our right engine, I unfastened my seat belt, and, finding my center of gravity, rose from my seat, moving past aides frozen stock still in their chairs, arms locked like girders against their arm rests in terror, and walked up the center aisle to the pilot's cabin.

"How long to Kosovo"? I shouted over the screaming whine of the altimeter's alarm, marking our steep descent. The pilot turned, looked at me in shocked recognition--" did you make it up here? No one has ever walked up here in these conditions before! How..."

"Never mind that!" I barked, with what I hoped was a not too stern forcefulness, combined with sufficient steel and empathy to create the appearance of a firm imperturbability. "Check the master FMC! Is it working or has it failed?"

The pilot, paused, as if in amazement at my readiness, and then himself awakening to crisis, looked to the Control Display Unit . "It's down! It's down!" he shouted. A bead of sweat began to form on his brow.

I knew what I had to do. "Get out of there!" I commanded, and pulled him from the seat, from where he crumbled to a fetal position on the floor behind me. Stepping over him, I took the chair behind the console.

"Check the Central Maintenance Computers and activate the NAV RAD for alternate radio tuning capability!" I shouted to the co-pilot. He, too, had broken down in tears, his head buried in his hands. I looked to his ID on the console. Another newbie.

Well, this was another one where I would have to go it alone.

Quickly, I tore the scarf from my neck and fashioned it into a crude lasso that could be used for EFIS/EICIS control. Catching the lever with my right hand, I activated the cabin loudspeaker with my left. I knew that the passengers had likely been gulled by the earlier soft patter of the pilot. "Brace yourself! Get ready! These aren't just words!" Then I pulled the lever back hard, sending us rocketing towards the runway.

"You'll never make it!" I knew that voice, and turned. Richardson! How did he trundle up to the cabin? "Out of here, Judas! And take that quivering beard with you!"

I could feel bolts straining against Pennsylvania steel as I pushed the '50 down, down, down to the ground below us. Suddenly, an explosion punctuated the sky--Hand held rocket fire at 3' o'clock!

I quickly performed the evasive maneuvers that I had learned for so long, and so well. My face became angry, then sad, then gentle, then intensely serious, then was finally rocked by a powerful squealing, an unnatural burst of laughter. That did it! The rocket exploded harmlessly behind us.

Now. Now it was time to take the stick and bring this shaking, careening flight, parts straining against themselves until nearly ready to burst, down to the ground. I put my arms to the twin arms of the FO-AP, set the APC, and with all of the strength remaining in me, began to push the levers down. Straining, I pushed harder. And harder. I could see the runway rising before us in the glare shield. I would have to find the remaining strength to bring it down.

Finally, as if a burst of superhuman might had been somehow delegated to me, I pushed the levers into locked position. I could hear Penn in the cabin shouting "We're landing...We're going down!" as I felt the rough shock of the landing gear snapping into place.

Sparks flew as we hit the runway, bullets ricocheting off of the cabin, one wheel touching pavement. I looked straight through the windshield--the militia, arms at the ready stood at the runway's end. The last obstacle.

I turned the craft hard, sending it hurtling sideways across the pavement. It swept the militia away in a single screaming motion that combined with the screaming that arose from the cabin, as we continued to move towards the small, makeshift terminal, where the dignitaries, negotiators, and heads of state awaited for my arrival.

I did not close my eyes. I did not let go of the wheel. I watched--as we ground to a halt just before the doors of the terminal.

I looked fore, at the dignitaries protecting themselves from the sniper fire that raged around them. I looked aft, at the passengers, shaken but safe.

We had arrived. All was good.

Just a moment...

Due to the discovery of a video of the above described occasion, I would like to make few small corrections. The flight was in fact actually a regularly scheduled chartered flight that was actually flown by the pilot and co-pilot--although the pilot did have a cold, and during the flight, I did at several times give serious attention to our flight conditions (notes indicate that I found it "a bit bumpy"). I would also note that the dinner, Salmon with Creamed Potatoes, was undercooked, and was served with a Riesling that was unusually dry. It is also true that we were met not by a militia, but by a girl's youth soccer team. However, it was necessary for me to dodge a soccer ball as team members demonstrated their often aggressive skills. No other shots were fired.

In short: I misspoke."

Head of State

Posted by: Robert Hewson | March 26, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Pay attention to the number of times HRC says "you know..." She does this when she is trying to divert/change the subject when being questioned closely, and whenever she says something the truth of which is questionable.

This is a genuine "tell" (poker term). Pay attention!!!

Posted by: NickiK-Atlanta | March 26, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

This is such a whopper, I think Hillary's pinocchios should be retired and hung in the rafters of the Senate chamber.

Posted by: Sleepless in Tuzla | March 26, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Note to Here's More:

Keyword: "potential"

Despite your carefully researched news stories, there STILL weren't any bullets flying as claimed.

Nice try, though.

Posted by: Here's Less | March 26, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It is actually redundant to say Clinton is a liar - they are one in the same. But who can blame Hillary for lying when it is all she has known for entire adult life. You have heard it here before: she [and her "spouse"] will do or say ANYTHING to get elected. I am sure that if she could find interesting things to say that are true she would, but seems unlikely when you are desperate. Next week she say she helped invent the internet. No wait, that was the other loser.

Posted by: Doug7 | March 26, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Does America really want someone prone to hallucinations in the WH? Reviewing Hillary's methodical playing of the "Race card", and "The Perpetual Victim" against Obama; her inability to control her own campaign finances; and, her recent commentary on: Iraq; Pakistan; Energy Policy; her stated intention to confiscate the profits of American energy companies; the need for her to control the 14 Trillion $ American Economy from her White House Politburo, since she has declared the free-market to be a failure (this from a woman who hasn't managed so much as a corner vegetable stand, or for that matter her own marriage; but, of course you could count Whitewater, and her tenure as "Madam" and Bimbo Containment Chief for Bill's White House Brothel); her Marxist statement in San Francisco: "We're going to have to take more from you, and give it to others for the common good."; Illegal Immigration; Taxes; Infanticide; Massive new Government spending; Multi million $ Senate earmarks for supporters of Hillary's Presidential campaign; Garnishing of your wages to fund her coveted Socialized medicine program; a fanatical advocate of confiscating all civilian handguns; and, the Clinton's history of emasculating the military, verifies that this grievously flawed woman would be the female version of the Jimmy Carter debacle that gave us the Ayatollah Khomeini who ushered in rampant Islamic radicalism; block-long lines at our gasoline stations; a severely hollow military; and, a record Misery Index. Only much worse. Considering all of Hillary's recent gaffes, e.g. "I voted FOR IT (referring to the Bankruptcy Bill); but, I was glad to see that it didn't pass."; her hallucinations over "Landing under intense sniper fire in Bosnia."; or her fantasized role in the Irish Peace Process; and, her increasingly frequent crying jags, one has to wonder if excessive use of Botox has affected her mental stability. It's no wonder that her campaign staff is shielding her from reporter and audience unscripted questions. The prospect of Madam Hillary as President; in a word: TERRIFYING. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: Greg Neubeck | March 26, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Robert Hewson: I went to get a copy of "Head of State" at the local bookstore. As I was crossing the parking lot, gunfire erupted. I saw three, no, make that four, masked men emerging from the bank next door with bags of money. Dollar bills drifted in the breeze behind them as they ran to their getaway car.

I leaped in pursuit and grabbed the first one I came to, wrestled him to the ground as we struggled over the gun and... what? you've got videotape?

OK, I tripped on the curb on the way into the bookstore.

I still want to buy the book, though.

Posted by: Barney Noble | March 26, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Either ms Clinton still has to get used to leaving a protected environment, or her team is so smart to expect that, at the end of the day, all of this won't matter to the American voter, anyway.

Posted by: Ariel | March 26, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"Pay attention to the number of times HRC says 'you know...'"

This is actually a pet peeve of mine. She uses that phrase ALL THE TIME. It's her attempt to "connect" with the common person, but comes off sounding condescending. Usually she uses this prior to introducing a "personal story." She needs a new line...

Posted by: Chris | March 26, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Dave Brooks (the NYTs Op-Ed person) previously support HRC, or am I wrong here? I could have sworn he had written op-eds in support of Hillary just a month ago.

However, you wouldn't know if by his scathing op-ed on HRC's bringing down the Democratic Party yesterday. How many HRC supporters are jumping ship these days?

Posted by: Dan | March 26, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Where's svliar, where's iowatreasures? I guess they've run for cover.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 26, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Fact checker I gave you clear instructions to do your job and stop living off of something you did last week.

Go check some more facts!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 26, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

As a conservative Christian who votes Democratic most of the time, I find Hillary's lying about her experience "under fire" in Bosnia far more troubling than Obama's minister's sermons. Her lying raises questions about her ethics and reminds me of Bill's "I didn't have sexual relations with that woman." She seems to want to have us accept a lesser standard for truth and honesty. I can understand Barak's position though. We attend a Reformed Church in America and our old minister invited an anti-euthanasia minster to preach in our church during a Right to Die ballot issue here. I was deeply offended by both his sermon and and the fact that Rev. G invited him, but I didn't leave our church for that reason. Nor, do I leave the church because our minister and some members want the state to interfere with a woman's decisions about her health and body (i.e. Right-to-Life). I have been successful though in getting the handing out of R-t-L voting guides after services though.

Posted by: Ken in Michigan | March 26, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

She is a LIAR! She "misspeaks" and says she did it once, and there are video records that show she used the same comment many times. Her, and her husband, are both pathological liars!!

Incidentially, EVERY airplane lands in a corkscrew pattern in a hazardous area. It is normal.

Posted by: swanie | March 26, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

To all Hillary supporters,

I JUST CAN'T STAND HER! I can't explain it. Everything seems premeditated. Not genuine. I think many people feel this way.

If you were working for her campaign, then how would you go about pursuading someone like me to give her a second look?

This is a very honest question and I hope to hear a candid, respectful response.


Posted by: Scott from Virginia | March 26, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

MONTHS ago, before the TX and Ohio primaries, when Hillary was touting her "years of executive experience" I kept asking on every WaPo board and in letters to the editor of several newspapers, "What, EXACTLY is the experience Hillary claims to have, in detail?"

The media, instead of addressing that question, went right along with the Clinton campaigns' allegation that Obama had not been "vetted" and that the media was giving Obama a "free pass." They claimed the media was "bashing " Hillary, and so she was entitled to non-stop positive press coverage and trips to SNL and the Daily Show in the week before those major primaries.

NOW, this late in the fiasco, the media has suddenly discovered that with Hillary, "there is no there." Hillary can legitiamtely claim a few years of corporate law practice, a failed attempt to create a national health plan under her husband's administration, 8 years as an embattled first lady, and 6 years in the Senate where she has done nothing of significance. Thats it. If those facts had been visible to the public 8 months ago, perhaps a number of the other Democratic candidates would have made a much more serious run for the nomination. It was the press's constant reiteration of the "inevitable" Clinton candidacy that removed very good people from the process early on.

I wonder for how many more election cycles will the American people tolerate a corporate media manipulating opinion and deciding elections?

Posted by: Susan E. | March 26, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Deep breaths, jreno19, deep breaths. Glad someone is manning the barricades to prevent those nasty conspirators from polluting our precious bodily fluids.

Take two psilocybin and call me in the morning. Also, please note. There is a "two link per day" limit on posting URL's that nobody gives a rat's a** about.

Posted by: Doctor Robert | March 26, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

jreno: get help asap

hewson : hilarious.

Posted by: skyriak | March 26, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Who sends their daughter out to campaign for them - and then can't even handle one question about a scandal that led to the impeachment of her husband?

Hillary Clinton: 27 Years of Voyeurism!

For those complaining about the stories of the landing on Lexis: THERE'S VIDEO! In that video, Clinton's not being rushed anywhere! She's on the ground, with her daughter by her side. Surrounded by riflemen? Try Bosnian children (one even runs in front of the video camera to get a photo camera from a friend to take a picture). Sniper fire? From where - FTD?

Hillary Clinton: Ready to Lie on Day One!

Posted by: BMR, Pittsburgh PA | March 26, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jreno19 | March 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

You know....I think Hillary is a liar....You know...I think she is very "misleading"...You know....I think she is a liar like her husband....You know...I think Hillary is a tired hag who needs to stop using some crap she did as first lady as her "foreign policy record" when that's no different then a doctor's wife attending the conferences her husbands speaks at.You know......i am getting tired of people claiming Hillary is so much better than Obama or McCain....You know....You know....You know....Maybe I'll just step aside and let some real change happen...You know...

Posted by: What | March 26, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

jreno19, you should take a little time to read a little book by Kevin Phillips, American Dynasty (2004)and then consider that we have been led by one of the most powerful political/economic dynasty to ever hold power in the history of the US. Now we are being asked to let the Clintons create a Democratic dynasty. You need to look at what voting for the Bush dynasty and its network of reactionary Republicans has done to this country. We went from being the respected leader of the world and having a budget surplus to being hated by the world, no longer trusted to lead the free world, broke, and on the verge of entering another "Great Depression" caused by the "anti-New Deal" de-regulators who have held power since Ron Reagen. What happened to the regulations that kept our economy free of economic shenanigans where the "insiders" take the "rubes." We have had a series of economic bubbles for the last 16 years that remind me of the "Roaring 20s!" This is the gift of the Bush Dynasty. Hillary seems to have the same willingness to play free and loose with the truth, calling lies "misstatements" and keeping the same old network of "movers and shakers" in power "within the beltway." All we will get if she get the nomination and wins the election is the same old policies and the same old cast. McCain has tied himself to the Bush Dynasty and it's cast of characters, including the Halliburton and other Texas Oilmen. Remember he was a key figure in the old Savings & Loan disaster. Barak's connection to one ethically challenged developer in Chicago is nothing compared to the baggage that McCain and Clinton are carrying. Barak seems to be the best hope we have for a real change of direction that we have had in years.

Posted by: Ken in Michigan | March 26, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

It's not only churlish for you to give Clinton any pinocchios, but it's completely extraneous for you to even cover the story at all. Your just trying to do Obama's footwork and keep the headliners up consistent with his campaign's new talking points attacking her as a liar that they launched last Friday.

Why haven't you examined Obama's whoppers about not knowing what his Rev. Wright was saying?

You can at least pretend you're not on his campaign's payroll...

Posted by: AsperGirl | March 26, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I have to say -- I have never read so many nasty comments from so many nasty people--all seemingly hopeful supporters of the hopeful, unifier, St. Obama.

Something is seriously wrong with this picture.

Also-- forget all of the "gracious" and inspirational acknowledgement by Obama of his forgetful memory concerning Wright's rants, augmented by Obama's magnificant speech about race relations.

Obama lied and then changed the subject. You don't need a Harvard law degree and a "Starbuck's caffeine buzz" to recognize this. Where was the esteemed "factchecker", his adored Pinocchios and the notorious Obama sycophants-- Russert, Matthews, Robinson, Todd, etc. during that uncomfortable Obama

Please--give me a break.

Posted by: Harborrose | March 26, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary (let's face it) is the only one that make HOPE a REALITY.




Posted by: mark | March 26, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Why this matters? Because the Clintons will say any everything to get elected. She'll tell you want to hear to get elected, then once in office, she'll switch it up on you. It's not about helping the middle class, for her it's a political agenda to gain power. And some people still want to defend her out-right lies. There's a difference between a mistake and telling lies over and over again. You don't make a mistake about being shot at, when there are really troops out there that are being shot at. Shame on H.C.

Posted by: Jay | March 26, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

We all know Hillary lies, nothing new there. She has to lie to claim she has foreign policy experience. Hillary has as much real foreign policy experience as any other First Lady and no more. The big Pinocchio lie is that she claims experience from the Clinton White House and it is the real fairy tale. Her experience is minimal and her judgment and trust is below average; at 3AM she is the last person I would want making a decision since the ones she makes during the day are wrong.

Posted by: Scott | March 26, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

After reading about Hillary admitting that she is occasionally a human being and mis-spoke, I haven't stopped laughing for several hours. The truth finally comes out: Hillary doesn't view herself as one of us. She is different.

Maybe she means she is better than us; maybe she means she is smarter than all of us; maybe she means richer than most of us; maybe she means she is a better actress than most of us; maybe she means she can avoid prosecution better than us; and maybe she is so self absorbed that she can't see beyond her own ego. Whatever she means, one thing is certain and that is no one will ever be calling her President.

Posted by: Erie Pa voter | March 26, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight: she is allowed to "misspeak" because she is "only human." Does she hold her opponents to the same standards? Of course not. While she is allowed to be human, her opponents must be perfect. Hillary, for the sake of the Democratic party you supposedly love, please stop your campaign now.

Posted by: john from ma | March 26, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

It's not only the "you knows."

It's the "ahs", too.

HRC does the " Ah, you know, ah..." frequently. She does it while she is gathering her thoughts (or her next lie - you be the judge.)

It's a terrible speech habit. I'm surprised no one has called her on it before, esp. her staff.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | March 26, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

No sniper fire? You sure? That had to be sniper fire because I discovered this hole in my Judith Lieber handbag and there wasn't a cab to be found anywhere at the airport in Tuzla.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton | March 26, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

A better headline would be "Clinton Invents the Record."

Posted by: Popeye | March 26, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

So, she's so tired now, eh? Was she tired in Iowa? More insulting is that she actually believes the public is stupid enough to believe her ridiculous claims and excuses. She's embarrassing to herself and her supporters. Oh yeah, and the Democrat Party, which really doesn't need any help.

Posted by: michaelD | March 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

How does one "misspeak" about something as extraordinary and life-changing as coming under sniper fire? Either you did or you didn't; it's not something you misremember or casually mis-describe. This is just a big, fat, whopping, preposterous lie in a transparent attempt to portray a trivial First Lady photo-op event as the moral equivalent of combat experience, aiming to claim foreign policy and national security credentials that Sen. Clinton clearly does not possess. Unfortunately for her but fortunately for the rest of us, she got caught red-handed. This episode confirms and reinforces a lifelong pattern of lies and deception that has not escaped the attention of the voting public. Even before this lie, a clear majority of the American people were telling pollsters they did not think Hillary Clinton was "honest and trustworthy." Even her most ardent supporters are now backed into admitting that she isn't honest and trustworthy, but they argue it doesn't matter because she's no worse than other politicians. But that's not what the American people are looking for in a president. After Bush's lies about Iraq and WMD, we're looking for a president who will restore honor, dignity, and integrity to the White House, who will level with the American people. Hillary Clinton has disqualified herself by getting caught up in an egregious and completely gratuitous lie.

Posted by: Brad K | March 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Will Obama check his record?

March 25, 2008

Obama Took Credit for Other Senators' Work, Media Largely Ignores it

by D. Cupples | Understandably, many media are all over Hillary Clinton's exaggerated claims about her trip to Bosnia in 1996 (e.g., NY Times)

At the same time, most media seem oddly unaware of a story in yesterday's Washington Post about Barack Obama's having falsely grabbed credit for other legislators' work -- not just in the Illinois legislature, but also while in the U.S. Senate.

In April 2006, according to the Washington Post, six senators ran into Obama while heading to a news conference to announce an immigration bill. Obama tagged along. When the microphone came his way, Obama said:

"'I want to cite Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, myself, Dick Durbin, Joe Lieberman . . . who've actually had to wake up early to try to hammer this stuff out,'" (The Post)

Senate staff members found it a "galling moment," because Obama had done little or no heavy lifting on that project.

Sen. Arlen Specter politely commented: "It's not an unusual matter for senators to take a little extra credit."

That immigration bill died, but some senators went back to the drawing board and the early-morning meetings, from which Sen. Obama was "notably absent." Fast forward to some day in 2007, about which The Post reports:

"At one meeting, three key negotiators recalled, he [Obama] entered late and raised a number of questions about the bill's employment verification system. [Sen. Ted] Kennedy and Specter both rebuked him, saying that the issue had already been resolved and that he was coming late to the discussion. Kennedy dressed him down, according to witnesses, and Obama left shortly thereafter."

Fast forward to March 2008. About two weeks ago, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CN) and Rep. Barney Frank (D-MI) unveiled proposals to help homeowners facing foreclosure. On Monday, Sen. Obama seemed to seek "top billing." The Post reports:

"'At this moment, we must come together and act to address the housing crisis that set this downturn in motion and continues to eat away at the public's confidence in the market,' Obama said. 'We should pass the legislation I put forward with my colleague Chris Dodd to create meaningful incentives for lenders to buy or refinance existing mortgages so that Americans facing foreclosure can keep their homes.'"

"Dodd did say that Obama supported the bill, as does Clinton. But he could not offer pride of authorship to the candidate [Obama] he wants to see in the White House next year."

Translation: Sen. Dodd -- who recently endorsed Obama -- politely said that had Obama lied.

In February, Wonkette summarized a Houston Press article by Todd Spivak, which describes Obama's rapid rise in the Illinois legislature. Below are parts of the summary:

"Barack's entire record of state legislation that he touts now was done in his first year as a state senator, so that he could have some record when he wanted to run for higher office, immediately....

"Then, in 2002, black Democrats took over the state legislature and were led by the powerful Majority Leader Emil Jones Jr. ("a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned African-American known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor"). Since Jones was powerful and black, Barack -- and this has been reported before -- asked Jones to make him a U.S. Senator. 'I'm gonna make me a U.S. Senator,' Jones said to a friend.

"Jones 'appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.'"...

Here's a bit more from Spivak's article:

"'I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,' State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. 'Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.'

"'I don't consider it bill jacking,' Hendon told me. 'But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book.'

"During his seventh and final year in the state Senate, Obama's stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law -- including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced. (Houston Press)

Admittedly, I've gotten lost in the very interesting details.

My point is this: from commercial media's perspective, it's juicy stuff when a candidate has nearly habitually (not just once or twice) taken credit for legislative work that he didn't actually do. It's especially newsworthy when that candidate has repeatedly marketed himself as honest, clean, and above "politics as usual."

Yet, most newspapers and networks have failed to report these details to the public.

I can't help remembering the lead up to the Iraq war, that dismal period during which most journalists and media outlets simply failed to question anything that our war-eager president said.

I hope the media quickly becomes more diligent and even handed.

Posted by: Christines | March 26, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

So, she's so tired now, eh? Was she tired in Iowa? More insulting is that she actually believes the public is stupid enough to believe her ridiculous claims and excuses. She's embarrassing to herself and her supporters. Oh yeah, and the Democrat Party, which really doesn't need any help.

Posted by: michaelD | March 26, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

So, she's so tired now, eh? Was she tired in Iowa? More insulting is that she actually believes the public is stupid enough to believe her ridiculous claims and excuses. She's embarrassing to herself and her supporters. Oh yeah, and the Democrat Party, which really doesn't need any help.

Posted by: michaelD | March 26, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

So, she's so tired now, eh? Was she tired in Iowa? More insulting is that she actually believes the public is stupid enough to believe her ridiculous claims and excuses. She's embarrassing to herself and her supporters. Oh yeah, and the Democrat Party, which really doesn't need any help.

Posted by: michaelD | March 26, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Dear Washington Post comments board:

I wanted to apologize for misspeaking the other day when I claimed to be the Queen of England. What I meant was that with the beautiful day and a decent night's sleep, I felt like royalty. It just came out wrong.

Also, when I posted last week that in my spare time I had discovered the cure for all cancers (a little lemon juice mixed with pulverized oregano), I just misspoke. What I really meant was that honey-lemon tea feels great when you have a cold. I don't know, it must have been a string of typos that just by coincidence formed correctly spelled words in valid grammatical arrangement. I have not, in fact, discovered the cure for cancer.

Finally, it was a misstatement when I declared that I won the National League Most Valuable Player award while manning shortstop for the Nats last year. What I meant to say is that I was once the second best hitter on my apartment building's softball team. I regret the misstatement.

I hope you realize that I say many things during the course of a day, or a year, and as such there are bound to be misstatements and misspeakings. I trust this will not effect your opinion of my honesty and forthrightness.

Prime Minister of Canada

Posted by: B2O2 | March 26, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The Party has signaled that Hillary has until June. If she's still behind in delegates and popular vote, it's over; there will be no dickering over super-delegates until the convention in August. It appears that the voters want the process to play out. Once again, favorable treatment for the Clintons. Any other candidate this far behind would have been drummed out of the race a long time ago.

Posted by: Lilly1 | March 26, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Dear Scott from Virginia:
I support Senator Hillary Clinton for President. She has proper academic credentials; outstanding professional background; and first hand political experience. Senator Clinton is a strong candidate. I admire her strenght, intelligence, and determination. She is prepare to lead this country with clear political agendas; real economic solutions; and strong programmatic platforms.
Scott, I hope that you give a second look to Senator Hillary Clinton. She is a fighter. Thanks.

Posted by: Maria | March 26, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

HClinton is a liar. Her husband is a liar. They lie when they don't need to lie. To them, lies are like oxygen.

We all can accept the fact that all politicians lie from time to time. In modern times, they exist on the level of a hollywood actor who plays a role and in time, believes that they are indeed that role.

The Clintons, however, take that to a new level. They expand that tendency to not only aggrandize themselves, but to demonize others. We can all remember the "vast right wing conspiracy" in which all people on the right we charged with fabricating her husband's happy ending on a young girl's dress. A LOT of us on the right resented that. However, since the Clinton carnival was the only game in town, the MSM and the left in general was only too happy to believe such utter garbage. Now, of course, since the son of man is the socialist's rising star, the media is only too happy to treat the Clinton's in a manner which befits them. Well, its never too late - but an apology would be nice.

Just like the preposterous stories Kerry fed the media about his less than honorable time in Viet Nam. Had Obama been in that race, he would have been supporting the swift boat vets and Kerry would have been appropriately laughed off the stage.

Now, we need the same clarity of thought and honesty to deal with Obama. Anyone else who had such a paucity of experience and the obvious and undeniable connection to a world class hater would have advanced as far as David Duke.

We won't hold our breath.

Posted by: george | March 26, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It is not so much that Ms Clinton lies, it is that she never seems to be telling the truth. And, its her sang froid which is so unnerving. HRC speaks exclusively in the framework of how this phrase or that may effect some voter out there. There is a major disconnect between, mind and heart which makes her sort of creepy. Each word is used like an arrow with a specfic target in mind. Hence, her own campaign workers have nicknamed her the "The Terminator". She can speak in whatever voice and use whatever words she thinks will lure the electorate to vote for her, as if they are her prey.

Posted by: Madeleine | March 26, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Lily1...Seems like I remember the black canidate...Jesse.. was asked to leave early but he stayed untill June.O f course we can't mention race!!!!

Posted by: ggranny21 | March 26, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It's unclear whether Hillary's account of sitting on a flak jacket in flight was drawn from Full Metal Jacket or Apocalypse Now. What is clear is that it was not after all part of her actual experience, but instead part of a fairy tale:

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 26, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Hillary's academic background, has anyone actually checked to see if she did what she said she did in college? We know she created nonexistent work experience, created fictional professional experience in law, plus created a general flip flop on any number of issues and failed programs. The girl needs a lie detector test every time she opens her mouth. No need to give her a second look.

Posted by: No White House | March 26, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse sorry..did it bother you more because he picked a woman instead of Jeff Gannon? I realize the right have wide stance habits but to each his own.

Posted by: ggranny21 | March 26, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

ggranny21: Fortunately, you can vote for the part of Obama which is 50% white. All will then be well in your shrinking world.

Posted by: ggrampa22 | March 26, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Chicken - your item should have been titled, Hillary caught in lies.

The videos of her Bach variations on this theme are exactly the sort of talk the liars get tripped up by.

A spade is a spade ..... It qualifies as lying.


Posted by: graysmoke | March 26, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Who can dispute the following?

1. Obama's message has consistently fought for and appealed to the soul and future unity of America, a message of real change - we are not as divided as our politics suggest

2. The Clinton's have consistently fought for their political lives, and have appealed to the same old divisions (and fears) between us - big states vs small states, democrat vs republican, black vs white, black vs brown, etc

America stands at a crossroads - real change or more of the same!

We will get what we deserve!

Posted by: Sam | March 26, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I´m from Finland and I very well remember the Ireland peace treaty. Three men were awarded for their achievements by the queen Elizabeth II of the Great Britain. Each of the men were awarded as "Sir" by the title of honor. One of the awarded man was a finnish politicion, ex-prime minister. One of the other guys rewarded was an american senator (can´t remember the name).

Hillary did not have any kind of essential part in peace-treaty negotiations. If she had, she definently would use the title "lady Hillary".

I hope Hillary has even a little bit of dignity just to knowledge the reality of the race and pull off.

Posted by: Juhanz | March 26, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I´m from Finland and I very well remember the Ireland peace treaty. Three men were awarded for their achievements by the queen Elizabeth II of the Great Britain. Each of the men were awarded as "Sir" by the title of honor. One of the awarded man was a finnish politicion, ex-prime minister. One of the other guys rewarded was an american senator (can´t remember the name).

Hillary did not have any kind of essential part in peace-treaty negotiations. If she had, she definently would use the title "lady Hillary".

I hope Hillary has even a little bit of dignity just to knowledge the reality of the race and pull off.

Posted by: Juhanz | March 26, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

There are a number of bloggers who need to
get a life. Being a veteran and having gone through God Knows how many primaries,
this is just more huberous during the slack
time. I believe that your missing the point. I am certain that there was fear about this landing and visit. I give her
credit for even going in the first place.
I don't think most of us would take advantage of being in that position.
Even Abe Lincoln told tall tales. HER

Posted by: Helen E. Rollman | March 26, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The scariest thing about the "commentary" from the Clintonistas is their total refusal to even marginally acknowledge the fact that this was a flat out lie. They try to justify her actions by claiming that Obama did the same thing, so it's OK for her to do so.

Of course, the differences between Obama/Wright (the most vehement of the Wright objectors obviously haven't actually listened to the full sermons; but, one should never let facts interfere with self-righteous indignation) and Obama/Rezko (the relationship has been explored in every gory detail by the Chicago papers, with no fire found behind the smoke) and this situation seem to escape them.

You can certainly claim, with complete justification, that Obama didn't handle the questions of his relationships with Wright and Rezko as honestly and completely as he should have, much less as quickly as he should have - but he did address them and admitted that he screwed up, big-time, in both cases. It's clear that nothing he says will satisfy those who have decided he's guilty, but those people can't say that he hasn't at least made the effort.

In Hillary's case, she created a story out of thin air, repeated it multiple times over the years and, when there was video to completely discredit her embellished version, chose to blow it off with absurdities (she misspoke; she was tired; Bill made her say it - just kidding).

If you want the right to point fingers at Obama's perceived integrity issues, you need to accept Hillary's, not make excuses and/or make believe it's a non-issue; if this is a non-issue, how can you claim that Rev. Wright is an issue, unless you want to be accused of hypocrisy?

Posted by: jk5432 | March 26, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I was TIRED!!!!!!!


Let's see. Who do we want to answer the 3 AM call in the White house???

NOT Hillary Clinton. She doesn't get her sleep and soldiers with cameras become sharpshooters and smiling children become snipers.

Does anyone else out there have serious alarm bells and red lights going off in their head?

The only rational explanation is that the woman LIED. Yes, LIED LIED LIED. Got caught and then told another LIE to cover it up.

And to make it even more disgusting, it was, 'hey I made a mistake, but what about the God Damn America preacher and Obama."

WEll, lets talk about that. In your opinion YOU would have left that horrible preacher for the things he did.
BUT, you did not leave a cheating, philandering, lie under oath husband that had brought humiliation to the country.

WOW, your words say one thing but your actions say another.

YOu SLAM Obama for just words, and say actions are important.

Well your ACTIONS are coming across loud and clear Billary.

You are a do anything, say anything to win person. We don't need that type in the White House again. WE have barely survived the previous 8 years of the same thing.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 26, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that she did not simply 'mispoke'. It was not a place or word or name. It was a complete story. And though questioned, he campaign sttod by it for several weeks until film footage turned up in the media.

And it has to be put in context with ther other lies regarding fabricated foreign policy experience regarding being part of the Northern Ireland Peace Process ans "standing up to China on human rights"..

How can you work with members of Congress and foreign leaders if you are a congenital liar. What price will the country pay if she lies to members of Congress to get their votes and then backs out of a deal. As her husband did. Nothing got done because after a while he could not get the votes together. Not because of some "right-wing conspiracy" she made up.

Posted by: patrick2020 | March 26, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Someone I greatly admire says: "we all make mistakes. Making mistakes doesn't bring us down, it's defending our mistakes that's the problem." And that, my friends, is a great analysis of Mrs. Clinton's central flaw. She has this idea of who she needs to be, of what she needs to turn herself into for us to "like her." She is so managed, and poll-inspired that there is no there there. And because she has no true internal, moral compass she can't do the simplest act of a humble leader -- admit a mistake and seek forgiveness and maybe use the mistake as a teaching moment to inspire better actions by your supporters. The Clintons have never been responsible for anything in their political life; it's the right-wing conspiracy, the media conspiracy, the black conspiracy, the anti-feminist conspiracy etc. etc. Although she projects this image of strength, this intransigent and insular need to always be right is a dangerous character flaw that I think this country has had enough of over the past 8 years. For the more I see Sen. Clinton, the more I realize her model is not Bubba Bill -- but paranoid George Bush. Close to the vest, all about loyalty, insular, opinionated and never able to say he's wrong. That is one redux I don't want any part of.

Posted by: Bette | March 26, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary lied and could not admit she...well...lied. Not a good look for her. I am not going to trash her though...she is doing far too good a job of that herself.

Posted by: scrappyc20001 | March 26, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Democrats lie, it's in their blood.

Posted by: Todd | March 26, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: pathina | March 26, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Actors misspeak if they transpose, for instance, a piece of dialogue from one scene to another. Anyone may misspeak by inadvertently using the wrong word or saying something rashly. These are the normal limits of the verb's meaning. To use it to describe a patent untruth is an exercise in obfuscation. It reminds one of the issue of Saddam's WMD where the statements regarding these horrid things were not directly linked to tangible evidence of their existence in Iraq, In this case we are diverted to consider the circumstances surrounding Senator Clinton's Bosnia claims rather than the untruth itself.

As a reaction to an unheralded crisis it might usefully be compared to Senator Obama's earlier response to the public exposure of his Pastor's inflammatory sermonising, one threw up a smokescreen while the other turned up the lights.

Posted by: nickwib | March 26, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Respectfully, I am very worried by this. There's fudging experience (Save for prcticing corporate law & 6 Y on the board of Walmart HRC has none. There's overstating participation in processes. There's denying things happened that did.
But when you get to repeatedly describing a scenario that never occured @ all, you're moving into the realm of being severely mentally ill.
Better any Republican than some one who may be very severely disturbed.
As a lifelong Dem I think the party owes it to the country to tell her to stand down.

Posted by: Miriamac | March 26, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

After reading everyone's comments so far.
The damaging effects of Hillary lie seems very clear. What do the few Hillary supporters here have to say? Mostly attack Obama. Your obssesion with Obama makes it clear who the winner is.

Posted by: ETdips | March 26, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't somebody interview the guys in the Secret Service and Military and see what they told her. She never says she heard sniper fire she says that she was told there might be sniper fire.

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill! Is this really the best the Obama campaign can pull out on Hillary. Its a joke.

Why don't they reveal that while she has been going around the country talking about how she is a new day in race relations, her preacher/mentor is on record for making racist remarks.

Oh wait, ha ha, that already happened although not to her. :)

Posted by: boothe | March 26, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Alas poor Clinton,is this a pork pie I see before me? But at least you have not sent anyone off to war for the wrong reason(s) Yet. Mr Bush and Mr Blair are also human-----Sometimes. I'm off to bed now,nasty critters them snipers.

Posted by: John Knight2nd | March 26, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Both Clintons are accomplished pathological liars. It's really rather sad. If lies don't work, deny deny deny and if that doesn't work look for someone else to blame and final stage, destroy the asker.

Posted by: Martha | March 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that either you are under sniper fire or you are not. Oops, did I say I was facing imminent death? Sorry I misspoke, that was someone else. Ridiculous.

Do we really want to elect someone who "supplements" their resume. I don't know about the rest of you but my company will not hire even the most junior person if we find out that they exaggerated on their resume. The policy is quite simple -- if they will lie about themselves, they will lie about anything and cannot be trusted. She has been trying to find the killer "issue" for months and she picked "experience." The problem is she has to lie to make her case.

Ask yourself -- where did she come up with 35 years of experience? Rose Law Firm, Arkansas First Lady? US First Lady. It just doesn't add up and it really speaks to her character that she will try to make herself more than what she is.

Posted by: UCO | March 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok lets just assume that all the times she remebered 'quite clearly' taht she was just so damn tired that she 'missspoke'.
Misspoke meaning lied as we all know...
What bothers me if she loses her grip on reailty and the facts when she is so tired, how will she handle that 3am Phone call? When she is so tired...

Posted by: Nick H | March 26, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Ok lets just assume that all the times she remebered 'quite clearly' taht she was just so damn tired that she 'missspoke'.
Misspoke meaning lied as we all know...
What bothers me if she loses her grip on reailty and the facts when she is so tired, how will she handle that 3am Phone call? When she is so tired...

Posted by: Nick H | March 26, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

If Democrates had winner take ALL delegates -- Clinton would have already conceded since Obama would have more than the required number of delegetes needed to win. What a way to run a primary. It's not God bless America - but God HELP America-- PLEASE...

Posted by: cabd4 | March 26, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

If Democrates had winner take ALL delegates -- Clinton would have already conceded since Obama would have more than the required number of delegetes needed to win. What a way to run a primary. It's not God bless America - but God HELP America-- PLEASE...

Posted by: cabd4 | March 26, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

For Hillary to insinuate herself on the backs of real fighting men when neither she nor Bill had served is pretty disgusting.Given that she partly responsible for the disaster in Iraq, this incident shows great insensitivity and opportunism.

Posted by: kenba | March 26, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"Gosh, lighten up, guys," she told the reporters. "I say millions of words every week..."

86,400 seconds in a day. That makes about 600,000 seconds in a week. Assuming she talks constantly - even in her sleep, that means over three words per second.

I know she's a fast talker, but...

Posted by: philko | March 26, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Do we really want someone who imagines she's dodging sniper fire when she is sleep deprived, answering the red telephone in the White House at 3 a.m.?

Posted by: tom | March 26, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Bill is fighting to return to the WH, and that is anti-constitutional. Senator Obama has to contest the Clinton dynasty machine, not just Hillary. As for Walter Mondale's claim that it is harder for a woman to be elected POTUS instead of a black man, ask Mondale how many (white) women are in the House and Senate in contrast to how many black men. How many women attend college in contrast to black men. How do (white) women do in life with money and housing and health and mortality in contrast to black men? As a successful professional woman, I am heartily ashamed to hear someone I used to admire play the race and gender card to advantage the Clinton dynasty. Carville also speaks for the Clinton dynasty. Carville has shown tremendous disrespect for the first and only Hispanic governor and should be drummed out of the Democratic party, if the Clinton campaign will not disavow him. Hillary is a horrible liar who cannot tell the difference between truth and lie.

Posted by: shirleylim | March 26, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

A friend of mine writes that a new special of insect has been discovered in Bosnia: Mendex flagrante, subspecies, hilarius

Allegedly the low-lying bug was located in Tuzla, avoiding sniper fire and other hazards.

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | March 26, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

A friend of mine writes that a new species of insect has been discovered in Bosnia: Mendex flagrante, subspecies, hilarius

Allegedly the low-lying bug was located in Tuzla, avoiding sniper fire and other hazards.

Posted by: Martin Edwin Andersen | March 26, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is a huge disappointment... a lying, scheming hack who will say or do anything to be elected president. Give it up!
Kelly Mullens

Posted by: kelly mullens | March 26, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama's far worse. From DD --

Ok now why don't we take a look at some of the instances where St. Obama's misspoken, eh?

Just Embellished Words: Senator Obama's Record of Exaggerations & Misstatements

Once again, the Obama campaign is getting caught saying one thing while doing another. They are personally attacking Hillary even though Sen. Obama has been found mispeaking and embellishing facts about himself more than ten times in recent months. Senator Obama's campaign is based on words -not a record of deeds - and if those words aren't backed up by facts, there's not much else left.

"Senator Obama has called himself a constitutional professor, claimed credit for passing legislation that never left committee, and apparently inflated his role as a community organizer among other issues. When it comes to his record, just words won't do. Senator Obama will have to use facts as well," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said.

Sen. Obama consistently and falsely claims that he was a law professor. The Sun-Times reported that, "Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary [Senate] campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter." In academia, there's a significant difference: professors have tenure while lecturers do not. [Hotline Blog, 4/9/07; Chicago Sun-Times, 8/8/04]

Obama claimed credit for nuclear leak legislation that never passed. "Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was 'the only nuclear legislation that I've passed.' 'I just did that last year,' he said, to murmurs of approval. A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks. Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama's comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate." [New York Times, 2/2/08]

Obama misspoke about his being conceived because of Selma. "Mr. Obama relayed a story of how his Kenyan father and his Kansan mother fell in love because of the tumult of Selma, but he was born in 1961, four years before the confrontation at Selma took place. When asked later, Mr. Obama clarified himself, saying: 'I meant the whole civil rights movement.'" [New York Times, 3/5/07]

LA Times: Fellow organizers say Sen. Obama took too much credit for his community organizing efforts. "As the 24-year-old mentor to public housing residents, Obama says he initiated and led efforts that thrust Altgeld's asbestos problem into the headlines, pushing city officials to call hearings and a reluctant housing authority to start a cleanup. But others tell the story much differently. They say Obama did not play the singular role in the asbestos episode that he portrays in the best-selling memoir 'Dreams From My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance.' Credit for pushing officials to deal with the cancer-causing substance, according to interviews and news accounts from that period, also goes to a well-known preexisting group at Altgeld Gardens and to a local newspaper called the Chicago Reporter. Obama does not mention either one in his book." [Los Angeles Times, 2/19/07]

Chicago Tribune: Obama's assertion that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing 'strains credulity.' "...Obama has been too self-exculpatory. His assertion in network TV interviews last week that nobody had indications Rezko was engaging in wrongdoing strains credulity: Tribune stories linked Rezko to questionable fundraising for Gov. Rod Blagojevich in 2004 -- more than a year before the adjacent home and property purchases by the Obamas and the Rezkos." [Chicago Tribune editorial, 1/27/08]

Obama was forced to revise his assertion that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House.' "White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was forced to revise a critical stump line of his on Saturday -- a flat declaration that lobbyists 'won't work in my White House' after it turned out his own written plan says they could, with some restrictions... After being challenged on the accuracy of what he has been saying -- in contrast to his written pledge -- at a news conference Saturday in Waterloo, Obama immediately softened what had been his hard line in his next stump speech." [Chicago Sun-Times, 12/16/07] 'Selective, embellished and out-of-context quotes from newspapers pump up Obama's health plan.' "Obama's ad touting his health care plan quotes phrases from newspaper articles and an editorial, but makes them sound more laudatory and authoritative than they actually are. It attributes to The Washington Post a line saying Obama's plan would save families about $2,500. But the Post was citing the estimate of the Obama campaign and didn't analyze the purported savings independently. It claims that "experts" say Obama's plan is "the best." "Experts" turn out to be editorial writers at the Iowa City Press-Citizen - who, for all their talents, aren't actual experts in the field. It quotes yet another newspaper saying Obama's plan "guarantees coverage for all Americans," neglecting to mention that, as the article makes clear, it's only Clinton's and Edwards' plans that would require coverage for everyone, while Obama's would allow individuals to buy in if they wanted to." [, 1/3/08]

Sen. Obama said 'I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage,' but Obama health care legislation merely set up a task force. "As a state senator, I brought Republicans and Democrats together to pass legislation insuring 20,000 more children. And 65,000 more adults received health care...And I passed a law that put Illinois on a path to universal coverage." The State Journal-Register reported in 2004 that "The [Illinois State] Senate squeaked out a controversial bill along party lines Wednesday to create a task force to study health-care reform in Illinois. [...] In its original form, the bill required the state to offer universal health care by 2007. That put a 'cloud' over the legislation, said Sen. Dale Righter, R-Mattoon. Under the latest version, the 29-member task force would hold at least five public hearings next year." [Obama Health Care speech, 5/29/07; State Journal-Register, 5/20/04]

ABC News: 'Obama...seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he made' on ethics reform. "ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: During Monday's Democratic presidential debate, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., seemed to exaggerate the legislative progress he has made on disclosure of "bundlers," those individuals who aggregate their influence with the candidate they support by collecting $2,300 checks from a wide network of wealthy friends and associates. When former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel alleged that Obama had 134 bundlers, Obama responded by telling Gravel that the reason he knows how many bundlers he has raising money for him is "because I helped push through a law this past session to disclose that." Earlier this year, Obama sponsored an amendment [sic] in the Senate requiring lobbyists to disclose the candidates for whom they bundle. Obama's amendment would not, however, require candidates to release the names of their bundlers. What's more, although Obama's amendment was agreed to in the Senate by unanimous consent, the measure never became law as Obama seemed to suggest. Gravel and the rest of the public know how many bundlers Obama has not because of a 'law' that the Illinois Democrat has 'pushed through' but because Obama voluntarily discloses that information." [ABC News, 7/23/07]

Obama drastically overstated Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance. "When Sen. Barack Obama exaggerated the death toll of the tornado in Greensburg, Kan, during his visit to Richmond yesterday, The Associated Press headline rapidly evolved from 'Obama visits former Confederate capital for fundraiser' to `Obama rips Bush on Iraq war at Richmond fundraiser' to 'Weary Obama criticizes Bush on Iraq, drastically overstates Kansas tornado death toll' to 'Obama drastically overstates Kansas tornado deaths during campaign appearance.' Drudge made it a banner, ensuring no reporter would miss it." [, 5/9/07]

Twelve instances... when oh WHEN will they start doling out Pinocchios for these, eh?

Posted by: svreader | March 27, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Since when is sleep deprivation a cause (or excuse) for fabricating detailed lies? That's not human. That's Clinton.

And if sleep deprivation is all that takes to start lying to the people, then she really doesn't belong in the white house.

Posted by: christine | March 27, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton = The Energizer Bunny of Deceit. STILL LYING.

You did not misspeak and if you were just "tired" can we rely on you to answer that 3 AM call without lying?

She told at least 9 lies in one press conference.

1. She did not encounter sniper fire.
2. There was a greeting ceremony.
3. She did not misspeak
4. There was no corkscrew landing
5. Bill Clinton did not send her to the dangerous places that even he didn't want to go to
6. Sinbad is a comedian and just because he is a comedian does not mean he does not know the facts. Verges on calling Sinbad a liar.
7. It was not the first time in 12 years that she "misspoke", it was at least the 3rd time in 4 months
8. She studiously avoided the question "did you recall hearing gunfire" by instead answering the question "were you told there was gunfire.
9. You didnt just run to the car with your head down.

Posted by: UncleRemus | March 27, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

New Clinton Tactics (and Scorched Earth Policies):

Posted by: wolf | March 27, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The BBC coverage of the Tuzla dust-up had the reporter narrating over the footage of Sen. Clinton walking across the tarmac, describing her as "the plucky First Lady." My American Heritage dictionary defines plucky as "brave, courageous." Leave it to our British friends to strike the right tone of sarcasm without being comteptuous, and using words to nail the absurdity of her claims.

Posted by: Rob | March 27, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The joys of democracy: one major party's members arguing at exhaustive length over which candidate is more of a liar.

Posted by: Sparky | March 28, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

She can tap dance on it without any musical assistance. Translation: she is a Clinton.

Posted by: Littledoc | March 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama has discredited advisors that the media seems to be ignoring!

Posted by: Christines | March 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the Clintons is they think their American Royalty. Hillary Clinton thinks she can say,lie, and do whatever she wants. Shes very untrustworthy, rude, and evasive. I think we need to end the race in Penslyvania. Let's bring her back to realty, lets face it we don't need a mob boss in the White House.

Posted by: michael | March 29, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Going by the comments by Hillary Clinton it seems that the Democratic Party is not an ideology it's a method of political agitation.Perhaps her mother didn't read to her about pinocchio.

Posted by: jamesatkinson1 | March 29, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama said that the denomination of his church was mostly white, not the congregation of HIS church. Come on, let's get to the real problem here. Hillary Clinton, a lying, coniving "misspoke" if there ever was one!

Posted by: yamahama | March 29, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

It's so perfect that a comedian corrected her remarks for the American people before she even had been reminded from her own confidants or self.

The point is simple. Stop running your mouth.
When people hear you run your mouth, they begin to be reminded of the truth!

No one should stop Hillary from continuing the elections. That would be wrong.
But she should stop herself if she really was out to do good!

Status quo will not work anyway Hillary!

Posted by: vicbennettnet | March 31, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

After making up fairy tales about her white house experiences,are we sure she should be a U.S. Senator? What does Chelsea say about Bosnia?

Posted by: rentamob | March 31, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The Editor
The Washington Post

Dear Sir,

"You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, 'Why not?'" [George Bernard Shaw]. So what's the big deal about Hillary Clinton embellishing her account of her 1996 visit to Bosnia with a little fantasy, a little dreaming? After all, the good Senator wasn't exactly on a Mickey Mouse trip to Disneyland and one could suspect that prior to her visit, she would have been advised by security personnel of the potential dangers on the ground. As it happens, there were reports of snipers in nearby hills, adjacent to the airstrip in Tuzla, but no shots were fired at the aircraft. In any event, hasn't she exuded millions of words on the election trail and isn't it only humanly possible for her to make an inconsequential slip of the tongue in her reminiscence of past events? So to all you decent folk I say, give the good lady Senator a break and let her engage in a little 'misspeak' and tell it as it really was, with guns and drums and canon balls and a smidge of sniper fire, thrown in for good measure.

Most of us tell lies; we tell lies or 'misspeak', naturally. The difference amongst us humans is in the frequency, target, and degree of those lies. Politicians lie, they lie through their dentures and they lie very naturally. In fact, we all tell porkies from time to time to conceal facts, avoid undesirable situations or even enhance our reputations. Sometimes, we tell whoppers when little ones would do and tell little white lies when the truth would be more credible and less complex. There is a reason why you are asked in court to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. It is because most of the time that is not what people do. Certain animals in the wild use colour change as a camouflage to avoid detection and in some instances to protect their very existence. Humans on the other hand are equally creative and adaptable, but instead use deception to protect their hides or save their bacon. In other words, they tell lies; skinny ones, fat ones and ones in between. So why are we so sensitive to, or even repulsed by, a little picturesque 'misspeak' from others and more particularly from our politicians? Well it may be more to do with our moralistic prejudices or even our pervasive psychological attributes, which prompt subliminally, intense emotional reactions. Even though we can be adept at air brushing the occasional fib, and we are not too disturbed by entertaining a certain level of creative yarn spinning, it is quite a different matter when we are confronted by the compulsive or pathological liar. A pathological liar is someone who frequently exaggerates his or her stories in a way that he or she believes will impress his or her audience. It may well be the case that the pathological liar unlike the normal liar, believes at the time the lie he or she is telling to be true and may even create a labyrinth of fact and fantasy within the narrative. Senator Clinton has told us, of dodging sniper fire in Bosnia and of her Hillary connection with the conqueror of Mount Everest and other colourful bedtime fables besides. These are not serious peccadilloes, but small potatoes which provide no evidence to suggest that she is any different to us 'occasional fibbing' mortals or for that matter that she is a pathological liar.

More importantly, our focus should be on the narrator who intentionally omits factual specifics relating to their business associations or private liaisons, in order to engage or deceive the listener. In this respect, I do not consider Senator Obama to be a dishonest person or an inveterate liar, but he is guilty of the sin of omission and has shown his deftness at occasional, if not serial evasiveness, when questioned directly on relevant personal issues. I refer to Senator Obama's personal links with the Chicago developer Mr. Antoin Rezko, who is facing federal corruption charges. Notwithstanding the fact that, Mr. Rezko has to date not been found guilty by the courts and remains innocent, until proven otherwise, of the current charges, it remains unclear the extent of the Senator's associations with this business gentleman or whether he is a beneficiary of this gentleman's appreciation of aspiring politicians. Furthermore, Senator Obama has declined to clarify his reasons for his apparent unequivocal support for the embittered Rev. Jeremiah Wright. We can only assume that in the course of his 17 years of religious indoctrination that the Senator protested in silence, if not demonstratively, with the insidious and non patriotic diatribe of this respected pastor and that he remains uninfluenced by this profound lifetime experience?

The contest for the Democratic nomination between the two Senators will inevitably be decided by the Super delegates. Let us hope that both candidates emerge with honour and that in the process, irrevocable damage is not inflicted on the Democratic Party through lies, dam lies or even omissions.

Yours truly,

John Shortall

Posted by: jshortallconsultants | March 31, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse


Ok, I am going to say this.

Many people DON'T LIKE OBama.

But, but, if by some chance he is the real deal. Actually steeped in public policy, IS a hard worker and really cares about this country. I would not have a problem voting for him even if he were Frankenstein. I do not want to drink a beer with him or have dinner at his house. Thank You. I want to HIRE him to fix the many problems America has. GET IT?

As I happens, I don't know Hillary personally, as the rest of you don't. I do know, based on her history, that she is smart, has a commanding knowledge of public policy and if pundits, fellow Senators and the people of New York are to be believed, she works "her tail off" as the junior Senator from New York.

Obama has the opposite reputation, lazy, takes credit for others' work and is not a policy wonk.


Posted by: Truth teller | March 31, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 6cfm9hw54v | April 1, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

recent statement in the Times from Clinton's speechwriter and chief of staff about that trip makes me wonder if you are being balanced, fact-checker. If what they say is true (and clearly they are biased), the preparations for landing in Bosnia were quite stressful and there was certainly fear of snipers on the ground.

This seems like important context and doesn not look like the picture you presented above. Given that there are those in the US (many who post here) who would LOVE to believe that Clinton would fully make up a story like this out of nothing, it seems important to show the whole picture. Just look at how often people accuse her of "lying" on the Post website.

Here's a quote from the article (which can be found here ==

"We flew in a C-17 cargo plane from Germany to Bosnia precisely because it was capable of steep descents and ascents into and out of areas of conflict. We were issued flak jackets on the plane before landing in Tuzla and were told the tarmac ceremony might be canceled or curtailed due to sniper fire from the surrounding hillsides. The first lady and Chelsea Clinton were moved to the armored cockpit for the landing. Armored vehicles were placed around the tarmac, and Apache helicopters hovered overhead."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary says "for the first time in what (?), twelve years, I misspoke. In another breath she claims that admitting that you are human is a revelation. Hillary! #1) you didn't "mis-speak", you lied, out right. #2) unless you are not human you've misspoke more than once in 12 years. #3) Apparently you have not had that "revelation" of your human self yet.

Posted by: Jeanne Marie Guadagnoli Wray | April 2, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is a complete buffoon. He is an over-blown ego-maniac and should not be in any way a deterent to Barack Obama's campaign. He has his own agenda and that he was not "one of the chosen" for the Obama team is just the way he is showing his frustration.

Posted by: yamahama | May 1, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Just to set the record straight, there still were armed patrols and sniper fire present in Bosnia in 1996. People were killed by sniper fire in Sarajevo trams in 1996. The alleged quote that NATO troops were controlling the entire are do not hold.

Posted by: Lejla | May 8, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

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