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Posted at 4:32 PM ET, 07/11/2008

McCain on equal pay

By Michael Dobbs


"We have not done enough. And I'm committed to making sure that there's equal pay for equal work. That there is equal opportunity in every aspect of our society. And that is my record and you can count on it."
--John McCain, Town Hall meeting, Hudson, WI, July 11, 2008.

John McCain claimed today that he is determined to ensure "equal pay for equal work." But women's groups were quick to point out that the presumptive Republican nominee has announced his opposition to the
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
which seeks to do exactly that. The Arizona senator believes that the measure would "only serve to fatten the pockets of trial lawyers."

The Facts

Lilly Ledbetter was a Goodyear Tire employee who sued the company in 1998 after finding out that she was earning 40 percent less than male co-workers employed to do similar jobs. A federal judge in Birmingham, Ala, awarded her $360,000 in back pay, but the verdict was overturned on appeal. In May 2007, the Supreme Court ruled against Ledbetter in a 5-4 verdict. The justices ruled that employees who believe they have been discriminated against must file a complaint within 180 days with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

The Ledbetter bill, which passed the House last year and is now languishing before the Senate, removes the 180-day deadline. Supporters of the bill claim that it is usually impractical to file a complaint within 180 days as most companies are very secretive about salary data, and it can take years to establish a pattern of discrimination.

Back in April, McCain told reporters that he was "all in favor of equal pay" for women, but that there were better ways to help women find higher paying jobs. "They need the education and training, particularly since more and more women are heads of their households," he explained.

Asked to provide support for the senator's claim that he is committed to ensuring "equal pay for equal work," the McCain campaign cited several pieces of legislation that he has supported including the Older Workers Benefit Protection Act of 1989, which prohibits discrimination against older workers, the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990, and the Family Medical Leave Act of 1993. However, none of these measures directly addresses the Ledbetter situation.

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said that the Ledbetter would "flood our already over-burdened court system and burden employers, who will have no choice but to charge consumers more for goods and services in order to pay for the swarm of new lawsuits that will only serve to fatten the pockets of trial lawyers."

The Pinocchio Test

The presumptive Republican nominee for president says that he is in favor of equal pay for equal work, but has yet to propose legislation that would achieve that goal. To oppose the Ledbetter act on the grounds that it will lead to a "swarm of new lawsuits," is fair enough, but John McCain has not proposed a realistic alternative.

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NOTE TO READERS: The Fact Checker is taking a summer break. I have been sidetracked by a couple of long-term projects (including a vacation), and will be back in September. Rest assured that there will be plenty of controversial claims and statements to check between Labor Day and the Election.

By Michael Dobbs  | July 11, 2008; 4:32 PM ET
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Comments

You Still Suck.

Have a long vacation!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 11, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah except McCain's senate staff has more women and pays them better than Obama's senate staff. Check that fact.

Posted by: Howie | July 11, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Have a great vacation.

Posted by: JakeD | July 11, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Howie:

Only liberals who don't respect States' Rights believe that FEDERAL legislation is the solution to every alleged wrong. God forbid private citizens get to choose what's right for themselves and their own companies.

Posted by: JakeD | July 11, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

For instance, I am in favor of equal tanning for all Americans, but I don't want l legislation outlawing SPF and long-sleeved shirts.

Posted by: JakeD | July 11, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Howie is incorrect. McCain has an extreme pay disparity between worker classes in his campaign that CNS "News" chose to gloss over when they made their claim about the supposed pay disparity in Obama's campaign.

In fact, on average, women in Obama's campaign make MORE than those in the McCain campaign: http://www.someofnothing.com/2008/06/republicans-play-up-sexism-in-obamas.html.

Posted by: slag | July 11, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: slag | July 11, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Jake D: You are comparing sun tanning to equal pay? Wow. The stupidity of it takes my breath away.

Equally deeply disturbing is your comment,"God forbid private citizens get to choose what's right for themselves and their own companies.". Ledbetter tried very hard to act in a way that was right for herself. Unfortunately, her company's priorities were different from her own. That's why she had to go to court.

Clearly, Jake D., you are not a woman, and have little understanding of what it is like to do the same job as another individual, but earn systematically less money. I can tell you, Jake D., it isn't nice to be the object of discrimination. It plays havoc with your drive and the care with which you do your job - let's call it job satisfaction. If you go to a job every day and have little satisfaction...well, I think even you are clever enough to figure out that this is bad for the individual, as well as the company.

The solution is to pass the bill, amended to say that any discrimination case which happened in the past must be ongoing and current and then can be prosecuted. McCain's excuse for not signing it completely lame.

Posted by: Liz | July 11, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Of course you take into account lame excuses for your boy McCain. In the future can you at least make an effort yo appear fair.

Posted by: Julian | July 11, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

slag:

Howie was comparing SENATE staff, not campaign volunteers. What's next, Obama pays more to his black (former) pastor than McCain does, so McCain discriminates racially too?

Posted by: JakeD | July 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Julian:

Perhaps you missed where McCain got TWO Pinocchios?

Posted by: JakeD | July 11, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Luckily (this time) 5 Supreme Court Justices agreed with McCain and not Ms. Bedwetter.

Posted by: JakeD | July 11, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

If a PRIVATE company doesn't want to pay women the same as men, then go work somewhere else -- men don't have to take off for maternity leave or other problems like women -- what part of "at-will employment" don't you understand? This is not the Soviet Union.

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Posted by: 5j3bjtq6re | July 11, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Howie lies! He has no clue what McBush pays his staff and the fact is that he pays them 25% of what Obama pays his female staffers. McBush has voted against every woman's issue since he has been in the Senate and this last minute flip flop and rewriting history on his part won't fl. Well except for the Howie's of the world LOL!!!

Posted by: ldsrapha | July 12, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

A closer check will find cronyism. Some friends daughter who is on the payroll even though she never shows up. Relatives of lobbyists, political donors and so on. How many real actually qualified workers, actually doing a job does he have?

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Yeah except McCain's senate staff has more women and pays them better than Obama's senate staff. Check that fact.

Posted by: Howie | July 11, 2008 7:30 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

LOL!!! Senate staff salaries (unlike campaign payroll) is public record. Check it out yourselves if you don't believe Howie.

Posted by: JakeD | July 12, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | July 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Jake is over 80 and thinks Mccain is a progressive young whippersnapper.

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Jake D: You are comparing sun tanning to equal pay? Wow. The stupidity of it takes my breath away.

Equally deeply disturbing is your comment,"God forbid private citizens get to choose what's right for themselves and their own companies.". Ledbetter tried very hard to act in a way that was right for herself. Unfortunately, her company's priorities were different from her own. That's why she had to go to court.

Clearly, Jake D., you are not a woman, and have little understanding of what it is like to do the same job as another individual, but earn systematically less money. I can tell you, Jake D., it isn't nice to be the object of discrimination. It plays havoc with your drive and the care with which you do your job - let's call it job satisfaction. If you go to a job every day and have little satisfaction...well, I think even you are clever enough to figure out that this is bad for the individual, as well as the company.

The solution is to pass the bill, amended to say that any discrimination case which happened in the past must be ongoing and current and then can be prosecuted. McCain's excuse for not signing it completely lame.

Posted by: Liz | July 11, 2008 8:55 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 12, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Given Senator McGain's reputation as a ladies man perhaps he is paying more for additional services.

Posted by: rd | July 12, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, JakeD, at least your ignorance is broad and sweeping! Among the things you know nothing about are state and federal labor law -- it's illegal to pay different wages to different people for doing the same work based on gender differences. I won't get into the specifics, probably too hard to follow, but PRIVATE companies have to follow the law, too (unless, of course, they're KBR or some other Republican contributers). And your inane comment about pastors shows your Repug one-issue tourettes is still doin' fine.

Posted by: straight talk my a** | July 12, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN DOESN'T EVEN TREAT HIS WIFE EQUALLY. CINDY MCCAIN BETTER BE GRATEFUL SHE IS RICH BECAUSE HE ALWAYS WALKING BEHIND MCCAIN AND SHE NEVER CAMPAIGNS ON HER OWN LIKE MICHELLE OBAMA. MCCAIN NEEDS TO TREAT HIS WIFE EQUAL BEFORE HE THINKS ABOUT GIVING WOMEN IN GENERAL EQUAL PAY.

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Posted by: zef6sptzvk | July 13, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

Both candidates' wives have a higher salary than their husbands, and Cindy McCain earns more than the other three combined.

Posted by: Jose | July 13, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Mccain like the Supreme Court favors corporations over female citiens. I will now boycott Goodyear like i have boycotted Exxon Mobil for 15 years.

Posted by: djw3505 | July 13, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah except McCain's senate staff has more women and pays them better than Obama's senate staff. Check that fact.

Posted by: Howie | July 11, 2008 7:30 PM"

You know I've heard this talking point many times from the McCain camp and it's the most ridiculous defense I ever heard. So instead of McCain ensuring all women are paid equally he'll just pay his staff a little more? Plus, how can you compare the two? It's not even a fair comparison since women hold different positions in both campaign, and they both compensate all their employees differently based on how much money they allocate to pay for staffers. Please think about stuff before you regurgitate it.

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Posted by: hmkis6zvjk | July 14, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Comparing McCain's staff to Obama's staff is not on point. This is a real issue.
There needs to be a level of fairness and a 180 day time limit is simply unjustified. If McCain wants to back this issue he should step up and do so.

Posted by: vcsmith | July 14, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

At the very least the timeframe should be extended to the statute of limitations. The courts ridiculous assumption that 180 days is a fair time to find out privately held information about co-workers was a pander to corporations by the conservatives on the court. Same holds true in lessening Exxon's Valdez liability. Reid has yet to use the budget to punish Republican cloture abuses. It does not matter that Dubya will veto the changes, the threat is Obama may not. The American public has been ill served by Reid and Pelosi. Change at the White House is not the only change needed. A bankrupting, lowering standard of living domestic program is still in effect as well as a lawbreaking executive getting away unchecked is what our present Houses have given us. I and most of America are disgusted with them.

Posted by: Jimbo | July 14, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Fair pay is a really difficult issue to regulate. If I earnt $3000 a year more than my female colleague with the same job role that would seem like pay disparity. However, I've worked at the company for three years longer, I also speak a foreign language and take regular overseas trips as a result. So you can see that it is nigh on impossible to prove discrimination on an individual match-up basis, so the plaintiffs are pretty much forced to demonstate systematic discrimination, which takes longer. Labor laws in this country do need some fine-tuning to make them fairer to the employee and less burdonsome to the employer. At the moment we have Justice Roberts and his compadres on the right of the Court, the GOP and Blue Dog Democrats, as well as most special interests looking after the corporate entity, but who's sticking up for the employee??

Posted by: Ant | July 14, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Ant, market forces are sticking up for the employee. This Ledbetter lady could have simply taken her skills to another company for "fair" pay. Market forces are very powerful, though less so when people like Obama and Pelosi hold a lot of power.

The fact that she made 40% less than male coworkers doing the same job doesn't establish that she was underpaid. Were the male coworkers more experienced? More skilled? Getting bonuses for longer hours or better quality work? There's a tendency to assume that the answer is no to all the above, and for no reason.

John Kerry ran in 2004 partly on the promise to "do something" about the alleged fact that women make 70-something cents for every dollar a man makes. But I've read multiple independent articles since then that pointed out the 75ish cents figure does NOT control for the fact that men in the workplace are generally more experienced, work in higher-paying fields, and accept less flexible work arrangements in order to make more, and that women make at least 100 cents on the dollar when you do control for those things. Thus, there's no discrimination, just young women dabbling in low-paying fields and working from home, but wanting to make the same pay that men in harder fields make without the same benefits.

The usual retort to "work elsewhere" is "all companies discriminate" which would lead to a golden opportunity for women to create an all-female firm, in any field of endeavor in which women face discrimination (all fields, if you believe the feminists). All these great employees are available for fair wages, correct? So then all you need is a female entrepeneur to get it started and these Girl Power companies thrive. But it doesn't happen, because there actually is no widespread discrimination.

McCain deserves more than two pinocchios for perpetuating this nonsense.

Posted by: The Angry One | July 14, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

All you people here should really pay attention to people like jakeD and similar people. Instead of dealing with facts, they throw out stupid remarks like "McCains female staff makes more than Obama's" WEll FANTASTIC!!! So according to you brainless twits, McCain is better because instead of making sure that ALL WOMEN get equal pay for equal work, his justification for voting against equal pay is that he pay's his female staff so that justifies it? Ok, the new words for the day, braindead, sexist, lying thru his old azz teeth pukelican. You guys just don't get it and probably never will. JakeD, I hope you wake up one day and realize that the world has passed you buy in mental evolution. Catch up

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama pays the men on his Senate Staff more than the women..FACT!

Posted by: Satan | July 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain is going to lose. All of this is good to read but liberals, your day is coming to celebrate the return of our country to the people, not just rich people. Everybody is witnessing the change of our government. Obama is the next president and with it comes the willingness of the WORLD to join us again. For too long has this idiot Bush made the United States a laughing stock in the word view! You don't have to dem or repuke to worry about this. Our rep in the world is crap ALL BECAUSE of BUSH and his crooks oops I mean his administration. You have the leaders in Europe and Asia already stating that they will be more willing to work with an OBAMA administration. Thanks god for that! I say dig a hole, dump all repukelicans in and douse with gas and light! Obama!!!! our next president!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama pays his female campaign staff more than McCain pays his...FACT!

Posted by: slag | July 14, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

We look forward to your slanted "fact checking" (the global warming "fact check" based upon one British Judge's opinions was your crowning achievement) after you get back from vacation.

Posted by: Alex | July 14, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The issue is not paying women more or less, the issue is EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK whether you are male, female, Christian, Buddist, a midget or 90 years old.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 14, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Just another lie from the mccain camp - another day, another lie. What's new. I don't trust McCain to keep his word, he's changed his position on too many of the issues. He has shown that he has no spine or convictions.

Posted by: JDB | July 14, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

JDB:

Are you aware that Obama once promised to "aggressively pursue an agreement on public financing" with the GOP candidate?

slag:

I provided a link to compare their Senate staff's salaries. Do you have any link for your "fact"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain Flip-flops again how can someone trust this guy he'll say anything to get elected McCain for equal yeah right check his record

Posted by: GV | July 15, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Pol | July 15, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

ONLY two Pinocchios? He is obviously pandering! He doesn't give a flip about equal pay! McCain is avoiding legislation to enforce equal pay in order to relieve big companies from any inconveniences.

Posted by: Jenni | July 15, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Every day McCain becomes a bigger clone of Bush. McCain's attitude on equal pay is identical to Bush.

The only way McCain's statements can be interpreted, or reasoned, is that equal pay is fine and good when companies want to pay their employees that way, but won't lift a finger to help them do so.

It is virtually impossible for an employee to acquire the evidence of payroll discrimination in 180 days, and the Republithugs know it.

How anyone could vote for McCain is a mystery. Why not just take half your bank account and sent it Exxon, and the other half to Blue Cross Blue Shield and be done with it?

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Posted by: nkubjjr2fs | July 15, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Ethan:

Chances are better that Roe v. Wade gets overturned if McCain gets elected.

Posted by: JakeD | July 15, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Everybody SHUT UP now!

Posted by: Mike Danielson | July 16, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

No, thank you.

Posted by: JakeD | July 16, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse


INTERESTING READING AND A MUST BE READ BEFORE MAKING UP YOUR MIND WHO TO VOTE FOR.

For years, the mainstream news media has refused to stop idolizing the so-called straight talking maverick John McCain long enough to question the mental health consequences of the years he spent as a "special" prisoner of the communists in North Vietnam.

McCain, the presumptive Republican candidate for President, who could one day have his finger on the "red button," claims the communists subjected him to 5 ½ years of nonstop indoctrination sessions so intense that he attempted suicide.

Unfortunately for McCain, after his bomber was hit by anti-aircraft fire near Hanoi on October 26, 1967, he parachuted into the hands of an evil communist enemy who 7 years earlier had adopted Soviet methods of prisoner interrogation.

At that time, the Soviets were perfecting techniques designed "to put a man's mind into a fog so that he will mistake what is true for what is untrue, what is right for what is wrong, and come to believe what did not happen actually had happened."

Psychiatric Journals are flush with reports concluding that former POWs may remain entangled in "harsh psychological battles" with themselves for decades after returning home including difficulty in controlling intense emotions such as anger and stress.

In political circles, McCain, sometimes referred to as "insane McCain," is well known for having a "volcanic" temper which his colleagues say often erupts into vulgar language and personal insults.

Democrat Paul Johnson, the former mayor of Phoenix, experienced McCain's in your face temperament up close. "His volatility borders in the area of being unstable," Johnson said. "Before I let this guy put his finger on the button, I would have to give considerable pause."

The Journal of America Medicine reported in an 1996 article that being a former POW is associated with "increased cumulative incidence rates of chronic disorders of the peripheral nervous system, joints, and back and an increased hazard rate of peptic ulcer."

The 71 year-old McCain most certainly suffers pain and the weakening effects of chronic arthritis. He broke both arms when he was forced to eject after his bomber was hit. He says the Vietnamese periodically re-fractured his bones during years of interrogation and torture which rendered him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.

McCain has never been publicly vetted about what and how much medications he is taking. Aside from his anger and arthritic pain issues, McCain has had reoccurring bouts of malignant melanoma, a deadly form of cancer that can spread quickly throughout the body.

These facts alone beg the question on how a President McCain, in the absence of his campaign staff handlers, would deal with a snap decision that had to be made "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

McCain's POW experience is unique. His communist captors considered him the "crown prince" of U.S. POWs because his father, Adm. John McCain, was commander of all U.S. forces fighting in Vietnam. Because the communists believed he was from a "royal family" and would when finally released return to the United States to an important military or government job, they held him for two years in "solitary confinement."

In February, Reuters news reported that McCain's former captors are expressing delight in the news of his nomination as Republican party Presidential candidate. "In the past Senator McCain has conducted activities that had a positive impact in bringing the two nations [Vietnam/United States] closer. That is a point that Vietnamese people who follow the current affairs do recognize," said retired North Vietnamese Colonel Nguyen Van Phuong, representing retired and present members of the Vietnamese communist military.

Since McCain was first elected to Congress 1982 (and later to the Senate), he and his staff have expended tens of thousands of hours pushing U.S. legislation favoring communist Vietnam. In 1995, McCain stood with Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass. to give President Bill Clinton valuable political cover he needed to disregard the issue of missing U.S. POWs in Vietnam and remove the U.S. trade embargo against Vietnam.

No U.S. POW had any communication with McCain or knew where he was being held during at least 8 to 12 months of McCain's first two years of captivity. He has either been unable or unwilling to account for the months he was missing from the POW system.

Within days of McCain's shoot down and after being told the identity of his famous father, the Vietnamese rushed him to Gai Lam military hospital (U.S. government documents), a medical facility normally unavailable to treat U.S. POWs. McCain was kept at Gai Lam for six weeks under the control of Soviet medical specialist anxious to test the use of their "mind and behavior modification" drugs on such an important prisoner.

McCain said the communists were so effective with their interrogation techniques that he broke on the fourth day after being captured and began cooperating. "Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Pages 193-194, Faith of My Fathers, by John McCain.

U.S. intelligence agents concluded in the early 1950s that Soviet intelligence (KGB) agents were experimenting on their prisoners with "mind control" techniques and behavior modification drugs

Allen W. Dulles, the newly confirmed CIA director acknowledged the dilemma in April 1953, when he told a gathering of Princeton alumni that "a sinister battle for men's minds" was underway. The Soviets, Dulles explained "have developed brain perversion techniques, some of which are so subtle and so abhorrent to our way of life that we have recoiled from facing up to them."

During the Cold War, the Soviets and the CIA began competing with secret experiments on prisoners aimed at honing the use of "chemical and biological materials capable of producing human behavioral and physiological changes." The experiments included isolation, sleep deprivation, humiliation, alternating with long hours of interrogation.

Since the Russians and Chinese (and our own CIA) have proven they can in a relative short time alter the basic emotional and behavior patterns of captives, it is fair to assume that McCain's unpredictable and often volatile temperament is directly related to his treatment as a 5 ½ prisoner of the communists.

The American public was first exposed to Soviet "brain perversion techniques" during Korean War when the communists launched a propaganda offensive featuring filmed and recorded testimony of captured U.S. servicemen confessing to war crimes including the use of germ warfare.

By the end of the Korean War, "70 percent of the 7,190 U.S. prisoners held in China had either made confessions or signed petitions calling for an end to the American war effort in Asia. Fifteen percent collaborated fully with the Chinese, and only 5 percent steadfastly resisted."

Military officials were especially alarmed when a significant number of the U.S. prisoners refused to recant their confessions as soon as they returned to the United States.

Beginning in 1960, KGB and Chinese agents directed the Vietnamese in establishing Vietnam's original interrogation guidelines for U.S. prisoners. They suggested interrogation techniques and issued specific intelligence requirements to be extracted during prisoner interrogations.

Official American position on POW confessions was that they were false and forced while privately expressing grave concern that the collaborations proved the communists had developed techniques that could "put a man's mind into a fog."

Psychologist have identified behavior in which a former prisoner emotionally bonds with an abuser as the Stockholm Syndrome. McCain was a strong advocate for prosecuting Bosnian, Yugoslavian and Iraqi war criminals and is adamantly opposed to any form of normalized relation with Cuba until it allows "free elections, human right organizations and a free and independent media."

Yet, McCain has resisted any kind of war crimes investigation of his former Vietnamese torturers. Prosecution and subsequent trials could bring to justice the Vietnamese torturers known by the American POWs as the Bug, Slopehead, the Prick, the Soft Soap Fairy, Rabbit, the Cat, Zorba and many others who were responsible for the murder in North Vietnam of at least 55 U.S. POWs and the brutal torture of hundreds of others.

In November 1991, Tracy Usry, chief investigator of the Minority Staff of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified before the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, that the Soviets interrogated U.S. prisoners of war in Vietnam. McCain became outraged, interrupting Usry several times, arguing that "none of the returned U.S. prisoners of war released by Vietnam were ever interrogated by the Soviets."

Former KGB Maj. Gen. Oleg Kalugin testified during the hearings that the KGB did interrogate U.S. POWs in Vietnam. Kalugin stated that one of the POWs worked on by the KGB was a "high-ranking naval officer," who, according to Kalugin, agreed to work with the Soviets upon his repatriation to the United States and has frequently appeared on U.S. television.

Col. Bui Tin, a former Senior Colonel in the North Vietnamese Army, testified on the same day, but after Usry, that because of his high position in the Communist Party during the war he had the authority to "read all documents and secret telegrams from the politburo" pertaining to American prisoners of war. He said that not only did the Soviets interrogate some American prisoners of war, but that they treated the Americans very badly.

McCain stunned onlookers at the hearing when he moved to the witness table and physically embraced Col. Tin as if he was a long, lost brother.

In 1949 Dr. Andrew Salter authored Conditioned Reflex Therapy, a pioneering work in the field of psychoanalysis. Ten years later, as Richard Condon was writing The Manchurian Candidate, he asked Dr. Salter to help "design" the brainwashed character for the book and subsequent movie.

More than 40 years later, in 1992, during the C-SPAN broadcasts of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, Dr. Salter watched the hearings from his New York City apartment. Salter became fascinated with McCain's overly aggressive and angry behavior toward witnesses, especially family members of men still missing in action. After a few hours he called a friend telling her, "the signs are all there, I'm afraid Senator John McCain has been brainwashed."

During the Senate Select hearings, McCain opposed all efforts by the POW/MIA families and activists to have the Select Committee expand its investigation to study how successful the Vietnamese, Soviet, Chinese and Cuban interrogation apparatuses were at exploiting American prisoners of war.

News pundants have elevated McCain to "the most popular national political figure in the country" by repeatedly describing him as a "war hero" based on his refusal accept a communist offer of "early release" from captivity.

What the media has carelessly refused to acknowledge is that the camp's senior ranking U.S. POW (SRO) had issued unquestionable orders that if a POW was to be released, "it would be the longest held prisoner" Because McCain was not the longest held POW, he would have faced a military court-marshal if he had accepted the offer.

It is incumbent upon McCain to prove to the American people that the 5 1/2 years he spent at the mercy of communist interrogators did not leave him with mental health issues that could hinder him in making snap decisions "if the White House phone rang at 3 a.m."

Is McCain taking any kind of pain or "nerve" medicines? If so, do the medicines cause emotional and physical reactions?

McCain was once treated for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) which is said to get worse over time for former POWs, what is the status of his treatment?

Does McCain still harbor stress triggered suicidal tendencies?

Where was McCain and what was happening to him during the months he was missing from the POW camp?

McCain implies that he made only one propaganda broadcast for the communists, but Senate Foreign Relations Committee staffers say he made over 30. How many did he make and what did he get in return?

Why does McCain still deny that the Soviets were involved in the interrogation of U.S. POWs in Vietnam?

Does McCain's former interrogators, the communist Vietnamese, Russians, Chinese and Cubans have anything in their secret intelligence files about his behavior as a prisoner with which they could blackmail a President John McCain?

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Anonymous:

All good questions, but this thread is about "equal pay". Perhaps you should post your screed to "Was Obama a Muslim?" and we can discuss the relative merits of which candidate was more likely "brainwashed"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 16, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

You read it I think that was the point. I personally do believe from having met him on numerous occasions that there is defiantly something wrong with Mccain. Something many of his colleagues will admit privately.


Anonymous:

All good questions, but this thread is about "equal pay". Perhaps you should post your screed to "Was Obama a Muslim?" and we can discuss the relative merits of which candidate was more likely "brainwashed"?

Posted by: JakeD | July 16, 2008 11:14 AM

Posted by: cccccccc | July 16, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"Early today, shortly after John McCain was photographed raping a cocker spaniel in Bingham NY, his campaign announced it was just a case of mistaken identity, he thought the dog was an American tax payer"

What do you say here, Peanut? One nose, two noses or just another "senior moment"? McCain is pulling these numbers out of thin air and what does the fact checker say? He's just exaggerating?
I don't think anybody much cares if a payed shill gets a vacation or not, you're just a type of pond scum after all, most folks wouldn't call what you do a "job" in the first place.

Posted by: Dijetlo | July 16, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I wonder where all these idiots came from?
These people claiming it's OK to discriminate against women and minorities as long as you do it in a way that takes them more than 180 days to figure out.
I own a business, if I did what Goodyear did I'd be expecting a lawsuit. I'd probably have just quietly settled it before the lawyers pushed the numbers into the stratosphere.
It's a pretty clear example of foolishness and incompetence in corporate America, and it's not surprising to find the Republican apologists working overtime to excuse it. After all, making excuses for foolishness and incompetence is what they've been doing the last seven years, it's almost reflex by now.

Posted by: dijetlo | July 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

In McCainworld women are doing better than the men....She is actually his retirement plan.

Posted by: Becky | July 16, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

ccccccccc:

Of course I read it. My point is that it is much more likely that Obama is a "brainwashed" secret Muslim agent than McCain. I just call 'em like I see them. In a perfect world, of course, neither McCain nor Obama would be the nominees.

Posted by: JakeD | July 16, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If a PRIVATE company doesn't want to pay women the same as men, then go work somewhere else -- men don't have to take off for maternity leave or other problems like women -- what part of "at-will employment" don't you understand? This is not the Soviet Union.
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Actually, the FMLA does allow men leave to care for a child following birth and/or adoption and this does apply to private companies. You could also argue that women live longer and would benefit the company for longer terms. Unfortunately, most management types are white men from the old boys club who see it through your pig-headed lense. Why do you act as though civil rights are a Soviet principle? I seem to remember something about being created equal in the Declaration of Independence. Of course, you probably strictly construct this as only applicable to white, male landowners.

Posted by: The Real Jake | July 16, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

The Real Jake:

Why do you act as if employment is a Constitutionally-guaranteed right? Needless to say, I believe many federal employment discrimination laws are un-Constitutional infringements on States' Rights. Of course, that is simply a "pig-headed lense [sic]" to you. Nothing is stopping women from starting their own companies --

Posted by: JakeD | July 16, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Do you all think that Obama will actually do something or just "talk" about it.
We have one candidate who is a corporate apologist and votes similar to the rhetoric. We have another who talks one way, but generally will vote with the corporations in the end.

I am not happy with either of these "candidates". If any of you were actually concerned about equal pay for women, you would have voted for Hillary Clinton instead of worrying about all of this now.

Since Obama voted for the Pelosi FISA compromise, AT&T is now more than happy to sponsor the DNC Convention. What makes any of you think that either of these candidates or their administrations with a spineless rubber stamping Congress are going to do anything different, but the status quo?

Obama's lack of experience,lack of judgement, willingness to please only those who can advance his career, and ego makes him a democratic version of GWB and McCain is the reincarnation of Hoover.

You all just better give it up if you think their will be any progress on issues with either of these candidates. Given the financial markets are melting, the dollar is sinking, we will all have the opportunity to be equally unemployed.

Posted by: Linda C | July 17, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

The point of the post is not whether or not the government should legislate to address equal pay for equal work, but rather whether or not McCain's claim that he is "committed" to the issue is valid.

Liz (for example) believes there is a government role to address these issues and JakeD (for example) believes this is the bailiwick of the marketplace, not the government. Either way, there is very little evidence to back up McCain's claim that he has worked, or is working, on this issue.

Perhaps McCain believes that the pay divide is a consequence of the differences between the needs of men and women (ala JakeD's comment on maternity leave) or perhaps he believes that the issue can be resolved naturally by the free market ... and I'm even willing to stipulate that if one has such a view, doing nothing is consistent with being "committed" to the issue. But McCain does not state this as his view, so we are left with either a lie by omission or an explicit fabrication.

The strange thing is that JakeD is defending McCain here. If you are really so opposed to government interference in the equal pay matter, shouldn't McCain's assertion of commitment rankle you? But you are not concerned because you know he is insincere.

And that's the point.

Posted by: BackToThePoint | July 17, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I've stated, repeatedly, that McCain is less than perfect and that I will probably not vote for him. So, I'm not exactly sure what your point is in that regard. As for the topic, perhaps McCain is doing everything that he believes is legal when it comes to equal pay. He is, at the very least, doing better than Obama when it comes to the Senate staffers they personally have control over.

Posted by: JakeD | July 17, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

But you did defend McCain HERE, which is exactly what I said. I said nothing about your general support of McCain. My point was that this defense, in this case, appears inconsistent with your general views.

The article isn't about Obama at all. The issue is: McCain says he is committed to equal pay for equal work, yet there's little evidence to back this statement up.

If McCain believes he is doing "everything legal" to address the issue, then I suppose he could be being honest ... though exceptionally dull-witted. "I can't think of a solution" isn't a compelling platform. Moreover, he might have clarified that his "commitment" was constrained by his inability to conceive of even one workable idea to address the issue.

But I am confident he is quite bright ... which brings us back to dishonest.

Posted by: BackToThePoint | July 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The SOLUTION is more private individuals and companies following McCain's lead on fixing equal pay themselves, rather than looking to the Nanny State to fix it -- still not sure how you think that's a "defense" of McCain -- even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Posted by: JakeD | July 17, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Jake D

Are you saying that if your wife had a baby that you would prefer for her to work the day after she has the baby? Your argument is lame.

Posted by: Christa | July 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

And, while you think that's "little evidence" I believe that you, others (yes, even The Fact Checker) jumping all over Ms. Bedwetter's legislation as the end all and be all for workplace pay equality is part of the problem. This is not a life or liberty issue we are dealing with. What's next: equal cars or housing for everyone?

Posted by: JakeD | July 17, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

No, Christa, I am not saying that. I provided for MY wife to stay home and raise our family. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | July 17, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Linda C.

I would have to disagree with you about Obama's judgement. It seems that he has been right about quite a few things lately (ie. Afghanistan to name one of many). McCain is following his lead, so what would that make him?

Because Obama does not vote Liberal all of the time people want to categorize him. Frankly speaking I want someone who is in the center. Far Left and Right are too radical.

Why can't people see Obama as someone who wants what is best for the majority? I don't want someone that is going to agree with me all the time, because it tells me that they are only saying what they THINK, I want to hear. Obama has his own mind, what is wrong with that.

Posted by: Christa | July 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama does NOT want what's best for the majority of abortion victims. I also would have to disagree about how best to spell "judgment" : )

Posted by: JakeD | July 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Jake

It's people like you that give Republicans a bad name, if that's possible. That's why most of them are voting Republican.

You think that your way is the only way and fortunately for those with common sense and unfortunately those without the use of nepatism or sexism, you chose, assistance may be needed. Your radically imposing will is what got us into the mess we are in now.

Posted by: Christa | July 17, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

LOL!! For starters, I am a registered Independent, not GOP. But you probably think that Bill Cosby is a racist too for pointing out the problems within black families.

Posted by: JakeD | July 17, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

P.S. My way is not the only way but (at least here in America) it is spelled JUDGMENT.

Posted by: JakeD | July 17, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

P.P.S. If we had only elected Strom Thurmond as President, we wouldn't have all these problems.

Posted by: JakeD | July 17, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: You are welcome to your view, but I see no compelling reason for companies and private individuals to address the equal pay issue on their own (in general). They haven't really so far (without intervention).

And you are free to believe that the example set by whatever pay system McCain is using sufficiently justifies his commitment to the issue. But if this is what you and he call "commitment", then we have very different meanings for the word.

But you are fogging: You are just as aware as I am that McCain isn't really committed to the issue of equal pay in the same sense that most who use the phrase mean. His view is probably closer to yours than to mine. The difference is that you are honest enough to explicitly state your positions, whereas McCain shrouds his views in meaningless and distorted statements.

The Fact Checker is right on the mark: McCain was being deliberately disingenuous here.

Posted by: BackToThePoint | July 18, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

You will note that I have not taken exception to the Two Pinocchios ...

Posted by: JakeD | July 18, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Significant omissions and/or exaggerations."

Posted by: JakeD | July 18, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

BTW: I have a "commitment" to equal pay for equal work too. I simply disagree will those of you who think FEDERAL legislation is the end all be all way to do that.

Posted by: JakeD | July 18, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay, then we are agreed on the main point of the article: McCain was dishonest about his support for equal pay.


Do not oversimplify your opponent's position. I don't even know what you mean by "federal legislation is the end all be all way to do that."

I can only speak for myself, but while I certainly do not reject a regulatory role as part of the way to approach this problem, I am also aware that the nature, scope, and degree of that regulation must be considered carefully.

So far, though, the only solution you have proposed (that I can see here) seems to be to sit back and let the free market resolve the issue. I see no logical reason to believe that it will do this, and plenty of historical evidence it will not, so I'm not convinced.

But I am happy to consider any and all ideas to which you are committed. You can even have the last word on the matter.

Posted by: BackToThePoint | July 18, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks (although I never said he was dishonest). I already gave you my "solution" above. Get the government off our backs and more businesses will make sure equal pay is offered.

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Posted by: yxphbgc2nz | July 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what's more annoying, the spam posts (is ANYONE monitoring these boards?) or the 5 page McCain has been brainwashed posting by anon. But, back to the topic...

Angry One - You missed a significant point. Ledbetter didn't know she was being discriminated against by her company until having worked there a long time. Even if she left (I think she did), she still suffered damages from discrimination. [She won on fact, lost on the time limit.]

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | July 18, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Look people, I was head of the litigation department of Luce Forward here in San Diego before I retired. And even I agree that Ms. Bedwetter's legislation was a bad idea. Lawyers make too much money as it is Free Market, people, that's how we did it, and we employed many, top-notch female attorneys.

Posted by: JakeD | July 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I am unaware that people were prohibited from pursuing individual (not state) rights because of a tanning problem.

Posted by: James | July 19, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

And I am unaware of indentured servitude still being a problem.

Welcome to all the CNN viewers. If you have any questions about any of my posts, please let me know.

Thanks.

Posted by: JakeD | July 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh JakeD - I really appreciate your "individualism and independent" look at the meddling of FEDERAL legislation . . . had your simple approach prevailed, all these uppity minorities and pushy broads would KNOW their place and be happy to have a job at any pay and their OWN water fountains and entrances . . . . getting to the point where a guy can't sit in a bar to enjoy a Oly without some undesirables commin in . . .

I really hope you don't have a daughter with a black husband looking for work . . .

Posted by: JessWonderin | July 19, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

No, I don't. As I pointed out, above, if we had just elected Strom Thurmond as President ...

Posted by: JakeD | July 20, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

P.S. Are you related to "Justin Case"? Did you see the link I provided you on the GITMO thread with McCain's apology for his "gooks" comment? I lived through Pearl Harbor and still think of them as "Japs". Either way, chances are much better that Roe v. Wade gets overturned if McCain is elected. I predict, right here and now, that Barack Hussein Obama will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | July 20, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

The fact checker doesn't seem to be able to find many facts to check. Is this just a part time job for him?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Six (6) short months away.

Posted by: JakeD | July 20, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

McCain licked a donkey's hole just as it spewed out diarrhea

Posted by: Mark | July 20, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Very funny, Mark. Now, do you have anything intelligent to say on the issue of "equal pay"?

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Posted by: gubdz48hip | July 20, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

What everyone, above, is missing is that Ms. Bedwetter could have proceeded forward under the Equal Pay Act -- which has no 180 day limitation -- but she (and her lawyers) chose to be greedy under Title VII trying to hit the jackpot of punitive damages. Trust me when I say that lawyers make more than enough as it is.

Posted by: JakeD | July 20, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

See fn. 9 from the Court's decision.

Posted by: JakeD | July 21, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Nothing from Mark or JessWonderin?! Anyone else?

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Have a long vacation because your fact checking Mr. Dobson is really a joke.

Dobson = weak, lazy, uninformed, biased right winger.

Posted by: AzynAm247 | July 21, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Republican = a stunning lack of competency.

The Democrats win in 08.....there is no debate.

Posted by: ApostasyUSA | July 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone other than ApostasyUSA, then, who wants to debate the issue? My prediction is that Barack Hussein Obama will not be sworn in on January 20, 2009. Check out http://www.electoral-vote.com

Posted by: JakeD | July 21, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Here: let's think about what makes McCain worthy of being president. Let's focus especially on his love for women and CoUNTry:
Is it his criminal sexual conduct, including harrassment and worse, of subordinates?
Is it his taking a marriage license out while STILL MARRIED?
Is it lying on that application -- a crime?
Is it dumping the wife and kids and getting married ONE MONTH later to a girl who could be his daughter?
Is it the rape jokes?
Is it accepting money from a guy who makes rape jokes?
Is it calling wife #2 a "cun*"?
Is it physically attacking citizens and diplomats and fellow GOPers?
Is it his violent outbursts?
Is it the suicide attempts?
Is it the cooperation for 3 years with Communists, including Cuban Communists,that resulted in the deaths of American pilots -- real heroes?
Is it the lies in his book about what he did in Vietnam?
Is it his being so dumb to make Bush look a genius?
Is it his inability to understand what is happening in Iraq -- no idea about Sunni and Shia?
Is it his total lack of understanding about the economy?
Is it his belief in Gramm's beliefs?
Is it his continued sexual activities -- with yet another young lobbyist?

Posted by: McCain loves CoUNTry | July 21, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

No, it's his election having the greater chance that Roe v. Wade finally gets overturned. Next question?

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Posted by: qp22w0ttfy | July 21, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, what's wrong with spelling it "judgEment?"

Growing up we were told the 'e' could be left in or taken out, with my teacher leaning toward taking it out. Myself, I prefer to leave the root 'judge' intact for clarity.

Posted by: The Angry One | July 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

That is, indeed, the spelling in England. The accepted American spelling is "judgment". Do you also prefer "honour" and "aeroplane"?

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JakeD, There's more than one valid American spelling. Without an 'e' is the primary American way.

The Brits got one right this time. Let's give them credit. No, I don't like their spellings with unpronounced u's in them like 'colour.'

Fairlington Blade, I'm not saying this woman wasn't discriminated against, I'm saying the article's facts don't establish that she was. There is a perpetual movement afoot to "do something" about a general wage discrimination phenomenon that I say doesn't exist, per the reasons I mentioned. Perhaps this one woman was in fact a victim. But she's not one of a legion of victims. And she had redress. You say she didn't know for a long time that she was underpaid. Why didn't she know her own worth? She of course could have asked around or interviewed at other companies in her field, or any other field for that matter, and determined what she could earn. And she could have taken outside job offers into her boss and demanded a raise. It sounds like she didn't do that. Why not?

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Woa woa woa, are you all really going to gloss over McCain's statement about equal pay in this article?

"Back in April, McCain told reporters that he was "all in favor of equal pay" for women, but that there were better ways to help women find higher paying jobs. "They need the education and training, particularly since more and more women are heads of their households," he explained."

So, according to this quote, McCain believes the issue is not that women are paid less for the same work, but that too many of them lack the education and training to get the kind of high-paying jobs men have.

Really? Doesn't the Ledbetter case kind of fly in the face of that argument? She had the exact same job as a man, but was making less than that man. So McCain thinks she just needs to go back to school, and all will be right in the world?

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Abbreviated version

Progressive thinking Republican Candidate John McCain comes through for America with his 3R economic plan. In the persona of Theodore Roosevelt, McCain's plan just makes sense.

FIRST , keep in mind that to drop the fuel tax, the local gov'ts would crash. We must use the 3R to replace taxes lost from replaced fuel through green energy (Yes, we have it ready to go!)
www.betterconstructed.com

1. RETHINK: America must see globally on what America is capable of in our current state of technology, engineering and meet the demands that face the world.
Private Sector framework is in place and current laws allow the 3R to happen. The Progressive attitude of John McCain to get things done by crossing party lines will resurrect America.

2. REFORM: The American people must demand higher quality products and less restricted trade routes for Made in USA components. We will lead the way of MFG again!

The USA will reform its dead manufacturing base

3. REINVENT: America and Americans must reinvent themselves to reach and maintain these standards and by sheer American ingenuity, control the world's marketplace in the competitive manner, as the USA has always been proud to be #1.
NUTS AND BOLTS of the plan are simple.

Billions of savings equates to millions of lost tax revenue from energy companies. The US needs a separate tax revenue source before we can move away from fossil fuels.

McCain 3R solution.
McCain's 3R is about technical, closely monitored and rapid hands on training from pros to create new pros. Thousands of currently-job-displaced "once leaders in the manufacturing arena" will be asked to train and play instructor rolls in the 3R plan. Paid, of course, as these new leaders will help create a whole new style of prosperous America. A massive restructure providing thousands New American MFG means millions of new jobs for infrastructure alone.

We have the buildings, needs and infrastructure to do this!
New jobs is the mainstay for Creating a new guard for Social Security.

This is the new place for financial speculators to invest!

McCain's Progressive nature embodies Theodore Roosevelt more than any US presidential candidate in history since the original Rough Rider blazed the greatest era of growth in America.
We need John McCain to lead our nation with the same type of change.
www.betterconstructed.com

THIS 3R DRAFT COURTESY OF:
John Lewis Mealer, Founding President of Mealer Companies

Obama's economic destroying plans can be taken from his website and his speeches!

IF Obama is elected he would crush this nation by doing the following:
Obama's World Poverty Bill (google it) would be passed and take ALL of the US Gross Domestic Profit earnings to give to the UN for distribution to African nations (seriously, GOOGLE IT) (All 7%. Which is the US profit margin).
Guns would be also gathered up according to Obama's Global Poverty Bill plan (Did you Google it yet?)
Obama plans to heavily tax the investor class and no new small businesses would come into being (esp with the bank failures going on at the moment and no new loans being issued).
America would stagnate and begin to fall apart without small business growth.
Obama's tax on the investor class also takes away incentives for lower classes to strive to become wealthier people.
Did you hope to begin your own business someday?
Obama says NO!
Obama must keep us in our place, after-all.
Obama would immediately tax the large corporations which are already just barely balanced between the democrat instituted American Workers Union ridiculous demands and simply closing up and moving overseas or to Mexico.
The USA corporate infrastructure would be destroyed within a year.
Obama would force the remaining small businesses to pay totally unaffordable health care for employees and they too, would close up and go out of business even before finding health care, IF it were available.
This will really hurt the women business owners who employ mostly younger women in retail, who have higher health care coverage.
THEN Obama comes up with some LIE that he wants to give small business $5K per covered worker. Do you realize how many workers there are in small businesses throughout America? How would he pay for those TRILLIONS?!! Talk about not even thinking about how grand of a lie he tries to weave.
Obama will over tax and over extend this country so quickly and at the worst time that we will DIE as a nation.
If you want the USA to watch America die, then you surely want Obama to become president and vice versa.
Note to Obama:
Terrorists do not eat crumpettes, they send their brainwashed neighbors into tea N crumpette shops with bombs strapped to their bodies.
They do not negotiate!
This is not some game where we can push reset and this certainly is not a basketball game or charisma pagaent.
This is the cold hard reality of Obama that people play deaf and dumb to.
This is real life.
McCain 3R Plan is a start, but Obama's view is obviously the end of the USA.

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John McCain can make whatever claims he wishes about allegedly supporting equal pay, but the facts are not in his favor.

John McCain has repeatedly refused to respond to questions regarding the extreme pay disparity suffered by U.S. Federal Air Marshals.

http://www.airmarshal.us/

These law enforcement agents are stuck in a pay system which not only fails to incorporate any form of pay increases over a twenty to thirty year period of service, but are subjected with salaries 25%-60%inferior to all other federal law enforcement professionals.

John McCain's refusal to address the problem does not make it go away and his decision to ignore this valiant group of civil servants will never endear him to the thousands of voting air marshals and family members affected by these despicable actions.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/bio/userletter/?id=2449&letter_id=1102801531

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There are laws to ensure equality. The 180 days seems fair to keep a backlog of cases out of the courts. I believe an exception will be made if the woman is not aware of the inequities of pay before the 180 days, but must show it.

To the one who said it would enrich the lawyers, you are wrong. It would enrich them even more if the right to sue were allowed to go on forever. There is an amendment to our Constitution which should be enforced at all times.

Too many people want to sue everybody just to get money. If juries even believe that the defendant has money, the awards get out of proportion, sometimes ridiculous. File within 180 days and then settle out of court like most do. Remember Bill O'Reilly and how that woman became a millionairess? She didn't wait and wait and she got her money. Of course that was sexual harassment which was still a form of discrimination.

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This is a good issue for McCain, but he should be more aggressive. If I were him I would start pushing a 'welfare' overhaul focusing on ending all race based measures for all feder aid.

This leaves Obama in a position to either:

1, Defend affirmative action, something the blue collar dem's and swing voters don't like. Also it makes Obama look like just another 'african american' candidate.

or

2, Piss his base off royally by agreeing with McCain and seeming like a flip flopper once again.

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McCain is so Old School, there wasn't even school. He has nothing very substantive to talk about so picking at his opponent is the old buzzard's way of trying to divert attention and deflect weakness.

I liked McCain in 2000, but the Bush machine steamrolled him and look where we (and he) are now. He's not the same guy he used to be.

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You're completely missing the larger point of this story. What the Supreme Court did--in defiance of precedent--was find that Ledbetter hadn't filed her case within 180 days of the incident of discrimination, even though she had filed it within 180 days of learning about the discrimination. In other words, the court basically allowed businesses to discriminate freely against women, minorities, etc., as long as they keep the fact they've done it a secret for 180 days. The Ledbetter Act wouldn't have, therefore, led to a huge number of new cases, but merely brought a sense of sanity to this issue. John McCain, as we've learned, doesn't do sanity.

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Their names have FINALLY been revealed . . note the NSA and Military heavy hitters on the list:

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"McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said that the Ledbetter [Act] would 'flood our already over-burdened court system and burden employers, who will have no choice but to charge consumers more for goods and services in order to pay for the swarm of new lawsuits that will only serve to fatten the pockets of trial lawyers.'

So, in other words, what McCain is saying is that he's all for protecting the notion of equal pay for equal work ... so long as it doesn't inconvenience anyone in our white male-dominated society ... in which case, if it does, women can just suck it up and take a back seat ... presumably, the way that God intended them to. I believe I have that right, according to the gospel of Senator McCain. If anyone thinks this country is going to improve or progress one iota with John McCain in the White House, they are sorely mistaken. George Bush has already run this country into the ground, and McCain is ready, willing and able to step in to Bush's shoes ... and kick America around for a while longer.

Posted by: Kay Decker | July 30, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "Only liberals who don't respect States' Rights believe that FEDERAL legislation is the solution to every alleged wrong. God forbid private citizens get to choose what's right for themselves and their own companies."

Okay, first things first. States do have the right to enact legislation for their constituency, so long as the particular state legislation does not diminish what is guaranteed to every American under the corresponding federal regulation. (Title VII laws are a perfect example.) Next, Corporate America, left to its own devices, will not protect the citizens of this country -- either as their employees or patrons -- unless our elected officials literally shove laws down their throats forcing them to do so. And how do you reasonably expect any employee to force her employer to pay her an honest wage unless she is armed with legislation on her side? The fact of the matter is that the Lilly Ledbetter Act was enacted precisely because there were no laws in place to protect a woman's right to earn equal pay for equal work. Finally, historically, federal legislation is often the only remedy that Americans have to ensure the continued greatness of this country. As a prime example, if we had waited around for every state to enact its own civil rights laws, we still wouldn't be even halfway there.

Posted by: Kay Decker | July 30, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

JakeD wrote: "If a PRIVATE company doesn't want to pay women the same as men, then go work somewhere else -- men don't have to take off for maternity leave or other problems like women -- what part of "at-will employment" don't you understand? This is not the Soviet Union."

Okay, JakeD needs to go back to grade school for a civics lesson. If this was the Soviet Union, there would be no laws to protect workers. It is precisely these laws that have been enacted to protect American workers that makes us America and not the Soviet Union. Also, "at-will" employment has nothing to do with laws that protect employees against discrimination or unfair employment practices.

Companies are "private" by definition, so I'm not certain what the "private" in all caps is intended to convey. (By the way, aren't you the same genius that's always on here referring to Senator Obama as "Barack HUSSEIN Obama"? Or is that some other intellectual lightweight? But, I digress.) Labor and civil rights laws have been enacted and enforced in this country precisely so that workers won't be at the mercy of their employer. The notion of "if you don't like it here, go someplace else" is not one that makes this country great. It's one that rips at the fabric of our society and makes us weaker. Only by treating American workers humanely and as the vital, valuable resource that they are will this country continue to be great.

As for men not taking off work for maternity leave, please, Mr. D., step into the 21st Century. Men on almost every level nowadays do take paternity leave ... not that they have to, they just do because they're not Neanderthals and they actually care about their wife and children. As for the "other problems" that you seem to believe only affect women, please do a little research and learn that men use medical leave for just about every illness known to mankind.

Posted by: Kay Decker | July 30, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

After reading all the above comments. I conclude that America has been growing greatly because they give priority to Corporations and not citizens.
Americans do not respect their women who bears pain and gives birth to more Americans.
Americans also don't know that Soviet Union always had very good laws to protect their women and provide very good benefits during pregnancy. Most of it is now suffering only after implementation of "capitalist corporatism". The same for China by the way.

A country which does not respect women has become a super power. This is normal affair in all similar countries such as Kublai Khans Mongol empire.
Which provides clear picture of why America is going around killing thousands of innocent women and children all across the world.
America is a barbaric primitive empire.

I hope people of America wake up soon and learn to respect all women including their mother. Not easy for primitive people. But please try.

Posted by: VelShan | July 31, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MCSHAME'S BODY DBL | July 31, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

While I have not read all the posts (too many, insufficient time), some posters appear to be afflicted with the not-so-rare disease of cerebral-rectal inversion. Comparing pay at one 'company' to that of another is different (and wrong) from camparing pay within the same company. Sen. McCain's comments about more education, better-paying jobs is so far off the mark it's astonishing and the quintessential non sequitur. It would not be a surprise that the 'better-paying' job he proposes for a woman would still garner less pay than the equivalent job for a man. I.e., it's not the 'job', it's the pay for the SAME job that's of concern. The issue is intentional, "premeditated" discrimination- the area of discrimination (e.g. payscale) is relevant but, I submit, a subissue.

Regarding his comment about making the lawyers rich - that's 'rich'!! If a Constitutional right is violated, statutory provisions adopted to correct that, and they're still violated - what is one to do?? Just take the position "oh well - they broke the law, violated the Constitution - but I won't take action"???? That's nuts. Such violations need to be addressed and corrected and violators (or their D&O insurers) pay the price. The easiest way to avoid litigation is to abide by the law - or work to change the law, which is what lobbyists are paid to promote.

Sen. McCain, in my view, has contradicted himself so many times it's not possible to determine where he stands on any given issue. Thus, it is fair for an individual to assume the Senator's position is contrary to that individual's position. It is possible, however, to determine he is not the 'straight talker' he professes to be and seems to be more and more insensitive to the important issues facing this great nation and its citizens.

'Further affiant sayeth not'

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Why would any Republican want any equl pay laws that work come into effect?

That would stop the richer from getting richer!

That would also stop the poor from getting poorer!

No Republican except Pinochio could ever speak about equal pay, thats a joke.

America is the way it is because the powerfull refuse to do there share.

The richer you are the less tax you pay, and the more money you have to PAY LAWYERS! BIG FAT POCKET LAWYERS.

Who is going to stop McCains BIG FAT POCKET LAWYERS from screwing over helpless Americans?

McCain is a Joke!

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Legislating equal pay? Sounds like a formula for a lawsuit to me. I am sure the realtime online poll at http://www;bop-o-rama.com will keep spinning on this one. I guess it is interesting who is painting the White House PINK! Could we have equal pay for authors? Nancy Pelosi would sure like to be paid as much as Obama for his books. I heard hers opened with a THUD!

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Does it really matter? I think it does!!! But no one is hitting the real McCain character trait...

There are better ways to hit McCain's history and judgments. I always go back to McCain's many homes and he did not pay his taxes on one for 1,2,3,4 years!!! If it is too much for him to may his taxes -- either his memory failed him or he just did not do it.

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I am a 40 year old single mother - so I obviously beleive in equal pay for equal work; but people do have to take individual circumstances into consideration when a person is claiming they are not being paid enough for their work.
I have been at my job for almost 7 years, starting at a fair wage. I have increased my salary considerably over these 7 years - and it had nothing to do with the fact that I am a woman - it had everything to do with my work ethic; my desire to learn anything and everything they were willing to to let me try. It was through my own ambition and actions that I have increased my salary.
But I will tell you, if another person were hired to do the same things that I do tomorrow - man or woman - they best NOT be making the money I make the minute they walk in the door. A good company will reward it employees for hard work and loyalty, but you have to prove yourself first - no one has the right to expect to be treated like royalty the minute they start somewhere. If you do expect it and are disappointed - then look elsewhere until you find what you are looking for.
If you DON'T find what you are looking for, then maybe - JUST MAYBE - you are being unrealistic in your expectations of what the world owes you. Nobody OWES you anything, NOBODY.
One of the main problems this country is facing today is the overwhelming sense of entitlement of the have nots. I have been working (and EARNING experience) in accounting for almost 20 years now - and I started at the bottom of the 1st company I worked at; earning minimum wage. Of course, it was easier to live on that back then because I was young and had very little in the way of financial responsibilities - but that is the way it SHOULD be. Our young people need to be taught some work ethics; you don't start getting work experience at 40 with the expectation of being paid what you think a 40 year old should make. You start at the bottom and work your way up.
If someone doesn't have experience in something, they start at the bottom of the pay scale and EARN that higher salary by proving themselves; wherever it is that they can find a job.
The taxpayers of this country can no longer be expected to carry the burden of those who choose not to better themselves as individuals.
The only people who will truly benefit from this kind of legislation will be the attorneys who take the cases to court. The companies sued will lose more than just some awarded amount of money - giving some woman $360K because she felt she was gipped by a company could very well cause some companies to close their doors. Would those women still believe they were in the right and lose no sleep over the fact they put their co-workers in the unemployment line?
The bottom line is, ANYONE who continues to work for a company that they feel is treating them unfairly is an idiot and $360K would be wasted on them. I have left more than one company when I felt I could earn no more money; I did not begrudge these companies and I did not leave BEFORE finding a job that suited my needs first.
Life is not fair unless you work to make it so for yourself - and courts do not help in this kind of situation.
Women - take some personal responsibility and get the education or experience you need to get the higher paying jobs. Be willing to sacrifice time with your kids if you want to make the big bucks; if you really don't want to do that then shut up and cash your paycheck; or look for a new job.

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