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Posted at 11:57 PM ET, 09/ 2/2008

Lieberman Misleads on Obama's Record

By Paul Volpe

The Fact Checker is away. In the interim, we bring you the best of PolitiFact, a fact-checking project from the St. Petersburg Times and Congressional Quarterly.

The Statement

Politifact

Obama voted "to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield."

--Joe Lieberman on Tuesday, September 2nd, 2008 in St. Paul, Minn.

If Obama voted against funding the troops, so did Lieberman

Joe Lieberman, the independent senator from Connecticut, alleged in his speech at the Republican National Convention that Sen. Barack Obama had voted to cut off funding for men and women in uniform.

Rating: Barely True

Lieberman issued the attack almost as an aside as he praised Sen. John McCain's approach to the war in Iraq.

"When others were silent about the war in Iraq, John McCain had the guts and the judgment to sound the alarm about the mistakes we were making in Iraq," Lieberman said. "When others wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle, which would've been a disaster for the U.S.A. - when colleagues like Barack Obama were voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield - John McCain had the courage to stand against the tide of public opinion, advocate the surge, support the surge and because of that, today, America's troops are coming home - thousands of them - and they're coming home in honor!"

Republicans have made similar charges in the past, such as when McCain himself said on Aug. 11, 2008, that Obama "tried to prevent funding for the troops who carried out the surge." We evaluated that claim here.

To support the charge, the McCain campaign has cited Obama's vote of May 24, 2007, against an appropriations bill that included funding for the military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan (and passed, 80-14).

So was that a vote "to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield"?

Not primarily.

Obama was fighting at the time for a requirement that President Bush begin to bring the troops home from Iraq. The bill in question did not include such a requirement, and that is why Obama voted against it. Obama said at the time that he wanted to fund the troops, he just didn't want to fund the particular military strategy that the bill would enable.

"We must fund our troops," Obama said at the time. "But we owe them something more. We owe them a clear, prudent plan to relieve them of the burden of policing someone else's civil war."

Clearly Obama wanted to provide funding for the troops -- just not the president's military strategy.

If, by voting against funding for a strategy he opposed, Obama voted to "cut off funding for the troops," then so did almost every Republican in the Senate -- and Lieberman himself -- when they voted against a $124-billion appropriations bill on April 26, 2007, that would have funded operations in Iraq and Afghanistan but also required Bush to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq. (McCain missed the vote on that bill, which passed 51-46 and was subsequently vetoed by Bush.)

In a very narrow sense, yes, those votes were against military funding -- a portion of which goes to equip and pay the troops. So there is a grain of truth to Lieberman's attack. But because it is so misleading -- treating a strategic disagreement as a stand against men and women in uniform -- we find it Barely True.

By Paul Volpe  | September 2, 2008; 11:57 PM ET
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Comments

Barely true is still true - this is politics afterall.

Posted by: bob1128 | September 3, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

So...Obama is clearly in the mainstream on Iraq funding, as exhibited by the May vote in question??? Clearly not, unless being one of less than 20% opposing is considered mainstream.

The April vote was clearly more strategic, and one where honest disagreement on policy should not be considered voting against troop funding.

Posted by: datanotemotion | September 3, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

We get it. You're rooting for Obama. Otherwise you would have latched on to all of the half-truths and quarter-truths Obama said during his convention speech.

Lieberman is not running for the Republican nomination. He's not even a Republican. Welcome to irrelevance, politifact. Hopefully you will be gone soon.

Posted by: Bob | September 3, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Senator Lieberman gives me the goosebumps.
A looser of the half-pint kind. He knows intuitivly to whom to play up to and look for advantages for future gain. He changes colors as needed to keep his evil manipulations bearing fruit. He is the snake in the apple tree. The steady suggestive smile is sickening. Period.

Posted by: Helmdeep Dreesen-Ludwig | September 3, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Why is Barry's response taken for gospel?

Posted by: mike | September 3, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Ah, another America-hating leftist columnist coming to the aid of Obama. Funny how all people who hate America are voting for Obama.

Posted by: Bob C | September 3, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I thought that I was reading from a Obama campaign spin sight. I had to double check the URL to make sure I was where I thought I was. You simply can't tell the difference between reporting and campaign spin. Way to campaign for Obama WP!

Posted by: TBI | September 3, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

WHY DONT YOU ASK WHAT OBAMA AND BILL AYERS DID WITH THE 140 MILLION THAT WAS GOING TO IMPROVE EDUCATION

Posted by: THE BIG ONE | September 3, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

The title of this article is misleading. Upon reading the article, one finds that kernel of truth that you tried to cover up with a deceitful title.

Posted by: Libby | September 3, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

At this point, Lieberman doesn't care about the truth. He is out to get revenge on the Democrats and sees McCain as the great protector of Israel. I am all for supporting Israel, but a 72 year old sociopath and beauty queen is not the way to go about it.

Posted by: cathy | September 3, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, but the truth isn't "liberal." It's pretty funny to hear you right-wingers screech when things don't go your way, just like infants in the sandbox. And I don't need to be lectured on "loving America" by the same self-loving conservatives who opposed every advance in human rights in this country for the last 70 years. You have destroyed this economy every time you've gotten your hands on it, though Democrats always clean up your messes. You have killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world. You have beaten, dragged, lynched, and defamed everyone who looks different from you or disagrees with you.

I don't need your moral judgments on liberalism, because you have no ground from which to make them. You are morally, intellectually, and now financially bankrupt. It is you who hate the idea that America means dialogue and compromise--you want it all, all to yourselves.

I love my home and my country too much to cede it to the likes of you. It's not America I hate--it's your philosophy. America is more generous, decent, and kind than you have ever let it be, or would ever let it be.

That said, it's an American tradition to honor our fellow Americans' hatefulness as their "right." So I honor your right to continue hating everyone to the left of Hitler. But you will never, never, get my vote, and I will work as hard as I can to undermine your every effort, in every way I can, as long as I live.

Enjoy watching history move past you. It will whether you want it to or not.

Posted by: Mike A | September 3, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

@Libby: The title of this article includes the word "misleads" but it is not misleading. The contention of the article is that Lieberman made a technically true statement in an attempt to construe Obama as engaging in a policy of revoking funding, where no such policy existed. Even the fact that Lieberman stated the fact in a critical tone, when it was true of himself as well, is misleading.

QED: Lieberman was misleading, the title is not deceitful.

Posted by: Patrick | September 3, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

This post is overwhelmingly favored and biased toward Obama which is very disappointing for a legitimate news source.

But at the same time if Lieberman voted the same way as Obama in this occasion than Lieberman is being extermely disengenous and looks rather desperate since he hsa no party to call home.

I agree on calling Obama on his hlaf-truths but Lieberman is just another pathetic self centered politicain.

When will people start to go away from these parties and start to look at independants like bob barr.

Posted by: Patrick | September 3, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse

defend Sarah Palin against misogynist smears ....

Gov. Palin has 77,000 employees and is responsible for over one $ Billion per month budget for the state of Alaska. Gov. Palin is an inspiration to all of our daughters.{ half the country}

FRED THOMPSON ......" I think I can say without fear of contradiction she’s the only nominee in the history of either party who knows how to properly field dress a moose"


Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

IF Obama voted against funding the troops that time, how many other times did he vote to fund them? Many. He voted to fund them in Iraq, Afghanistan, to improve Vet hospitals and improve the GI Bill when McCain did not.

Posted by: Sen. Liarman | September 3, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

We get it. Lieberman is the opportunist of the worst kind. He stands for Kerry, then McCain and yet can support Palin as VP pick (gun-toting, pro-abortion, family's-a-mess but don;t anyone dare question me). Next election he will be some other party. God save us from such self-righteous, self-serving narrow-minded politicians as Joe Liberman.

Posted by: Joe Rotes | September 3, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Most of what the RNC presenters suggested tonight was misaligned with what actually what was said by Dems and even offical public records. I really do wish folks would wake up and start reading truth for themselves. I mean, how long will America stand when every day joes and marys will not engage in logical, intellectual pursuit of the truth? The whole base of the GOP is off-kilter because of the half baked comments made by their own. WAKE UP, AMERICA.

As for Palin, ok...she looks like at least some of the population in America (white--are there any blacks in Alaska?), but what of these scandals and near misses of character? I want people in Government who can set the example, not find ways to justify their ignorance and bad choices. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Posted by: blossom | September 3, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

You liberals are hilarious.

Where did he mislead? He voted no, and had the bill not passed, it would of cut off funding.

And thank god for Lieberman, the one Democrat who actually stands for principle. Scratch that, he's no longer a Democrat.

But fortunately we have Obama, who has voted 97% the time with his own party, running for President.

Posted by: Dan | September 3, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey, it is a time when all Americans should stand united and eradicate the social evils that continue to plunder our society.

The Republicans have yet to prove their worth.

Posted by: black jackle | September 3, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

You Rupublicant's had the last 8 years to prove yourselves... and the fact that you and your party and your Bush/Cheney got us into the mess in iraq when we shouldnt have been there in the first place says tons about their leadership, judgement and dishonesty in our country..

If it was country first than we should have never been sold that iraq attacked us and we would never have had our sons, daughters, fathers and mothers dying over there..

If it was country first than we would have taken care of our people when Katrina hit.

"Heck of a job Brownie.." "Mission Accomplished.."

Yeah if it only was country first... .

Too bad none of you Neocons, conservatives pea brains will own up how much you screwed this country. If it was country first... you take yourself out of the drivers seat and let someone who can drive take the wheel.

Country First.. such crap coming out of your conservative trap makes me sick.

Posted by: Vince | September 3, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

HR 1591 a month earlier for Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 McCain and Lieberman voted against funding the troops!

Posted by: McCain didn't support troops | September 3, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Obama is bad news for israel(Troops pull out). Obama is bad news for Mexico (NAFTA),
Obama is bad news for Canada(NAFTA).Obama is bad news for real middle class(his middle class = people making less than $90,000) Bad news for Blacks (reverse discrimination)

Posted by: Loranzo Riccardo | September 3, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Isn't the author being narrow in his interpretation of Obama's vote? The bigger picture is that Obama voted against the bill because he was pro-troop withdrawal from Iraq (demanding a deadline) i.e. he was against the surge. So Lieberman's general gist is right that Obama was one of the many "who wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle."

Posted by: lear | September 3, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama voted for emergency funding the troops with an exit timeline. Bush vetoed that funding and McCancer and LIEberman supported Bush as usual.

Posted by: Lie-publicans | September 3, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

"...and they're coming home in honor!"

Um, no, they're coming home in body bags and prosthetics and poverty.

Posted by: nope | September 3, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

I thing Joe has cross the line for the last time. I like to be the first to say good bye Joe.

Posted by: george | September 3, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Why do they keep embarassing themselves by showing their lapse in memories. And that's giving these old geezers the benefit of the doubt. Of course, they could just be lying delibertely in order to insult the intelligence of the citizens of the United States, primarily fellow Republicans. Don't the Republicans know when they are being insulted. It's so important to them to live by a consensus of opinion instead of the truth. Whatever happened to the Republicans I do not know and I don't what to be identified with liars and ignorant people. I remember when they could think for themselves and instead they are lambs to the slaughter. God help this nation 'cause that's what it's going to take.

Posted by: MissClarity | September 3, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sad to see the low level of discourse in the right-wing comments. Maybe the truth isn't working for them.

Posted by: Dan Phillips | September 3, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

If this article was intending to be misleading, it would not make a mention of the perspective in which Lieberman was truthful. Lieberman made no such mention of a perspective in which Obama was attempting to fund the troops.

Lieberman would be within his rights to say "Obama voted against a military strategy."

And honestly, can anyone say that the strategy employed has been a good one?

Posted by: putoff | September 3, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey many Americans still need a tough leadership, one that will not bow down to the Al Qaeda or any other anti-american groups. That style of leadership can only be provided by the Republicans. I am prepared to go all the way for the BIG 'R's

Posted by: black jackle | September 3, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

I think Dan's comment was the best one by far. Thank you.

This makes me think for Cheney's assertion that Kerry had voted to kill all sorts of military programs. Well true, this attack was never enlightening as to reality. Any senator will vote for and against things he believes in and disagrees with becasue no vote is about one issue. But remember that Cheney pushed to kill almost all of the programs he accused Kerry of trying to kill when he was United States Secretary of Defense. As an unelected official he brought the knife down on all the same programs as accused Kerry of killing.

Elected officials will always pander. Unelected officials have the freedom to have an independent opinion. If you think this invalidates Obama to be president you are a ideologue totally divorced from reality. You also need to look deeply at the purple Kool-aid and walk away from Jonestown. McCain is a pragmatic legislator who would not support this kind of vitriol but now has to eat the party dog food just like every other candidate.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 2:50 AM | Report abuse

Yellow journalism alert!

Yellow journalism alert!

Lieberman's assertion is true.

This is the same Lieberman that ran with Gore. The Democratic party has become way too liberal!

Posted by: AJ | September 3, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

After reading all of the comments of those who posted, I have a feeling America has no real understanding. Leaders should have compassion, as well as common sense. All continue to play like we are different. Republican, Democrat, or Independent, we are all Americans. Just like all of you I have said nothing.

Posted by: Allan | September 3, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Loranzo Riccardo says "Obama is bad news for real middle class (his middle class = people making less than $90,000)." Somehow seems a little more in line than McCain's middle-class - those making under 5 million.

Posted by: Louis | September 3, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Surprised that Dobbs is joining the "rationalization" crowd

We all remember, the choice that Congress had, was to cut off funding and take the political heat if they dared. Many of them, including Senator Obama, did just that. Not enough of them for the bill to pass, because the Blue Dogs wouldnt do it.

Simple fact is that was the litmus test and the gauntlet being thrown down by DailyKos and Moveon -- and Obama was among the group who accepted the Gauntlet.

Lieberman stated the facts.

Moreover, the media's lack of taking Obama to account for not acknowledging the surge was successful, is telling.

As telling as the "Anbar Province Handed Over to Iraqi Control" news being buried everywhere.

But if Anbar is handed back to the Americans after a resumption in violence, it will be top of page 1 news.

Another telling example of the liberal media bias that demonized Ronald Reagan until 25 years after his administration.

Sad state of affairs for a free, but imbalanced, press.

Posted by: Reagan Democrat | September 3, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Obama's votes only make sense if you read the appropriations bills in its entirely. This was a war for oil plain and simple. Since when do we fight for principles? Oh, by the way, over 70% of our people getting killed are young white men. Haven't you noticed? The Sunni and Shia have been fighting each other for 1300 years. If you read the Library of Congress reports they have had over 250 wars with each other. We can't stop these idiots from killing each other. We need to get out now. Also, race is the big elephant in the room. Obama was raised in total by white people. His black daddy didn't do a damn thing for him. He certainly would not be where he is without his very loving white family. Have no fear of him. Fear the corrupt people who would divide us by using this artificial construct of racial differences.

Posted by: Sandrfa Fineman | September 3, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Every time I read any reader comments anywhere on Washington Post, it only further convinces me that all online Republicans are Internet trolls.

Posted by: Sidelines | September 3, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman has become a pathetic character. He is clearly only loyal to the State of Israel.

Posted by: jefflz | September 3, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

senator lieberman is a jack-ass.

Posted by: floozy | September 3, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

After last 8 years, what is the republican argument for next 4 year ? What is their point?

Posted by: Adam Habib Plano, TX | September 3, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Wait a second.

You mean Obama actually showed up for a vote?????

Posted by: Constantly Amazed | September 3, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

This site is so biased, it's pathetic. Anytime I want to see what Obama would like the voters to think, I turn to you.

Posted by: jast | September 3, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Listen people, comments like 'American hating leftists' are just rediculous. Just because one has perspectives that are different from "W" and his mob doesn't mean that they are anti-American. Get your facts straight and use your brain for once. He has perpetuated such great paranoia, bigotry, and hippocracy in this society that it stinks!

Posted by: Jay | September 3, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman is like Wormwort in Lord of The Rings.

He's like this slimy thing that keeps slithering here and there whispering in McCain's ear.

He makes decent Americans sick to their stomachs.

Posted by: DP | September 3, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Why does political smear piece, a bigoted joke like "The Fact-Checker" get placed in the top of Google "news"?

Utterly ludicrous.

The Post couldn't and wouldn't tell the Truth if it came up and slapped them in the face. It's lied for so long, it no longer knows reality from fiction

Posted by: Lindsey | September 3, 2008 2:58 AM | Report abuse

Watching the 97 percent white sheep clapping in the audience makes me sick. Your ignorance is borderline criminal. George Bush is your terrorist. Killed our own by sending them into a Lie. Masacreed 1000's of civilians. Halliburton. Gonzalez. Cia leaks. Yet you support your puppet. We don't hate this country. We hate what you've done to it. Coward let a category 3 storm keep him from embarrasing you further. So sad and pathetic.

Posted by: tonytony | September 3, 2008 2:58 AM | Report abuse

Watching the 97 percent white sheep clapping in the audience makes me sick. Your ignorance is borderline criminal. George Bush is your terrorist. Killed our own by sending them into a Lie. Masacreed 1000's of civilians. Halliburton. Gonzalez. Cia leaks. Yet you support your puppet. We don't hate this country. We hate what you've done to it. Coward let a category 3 storm keep him from embarrasing you further. So sad and pathetic.

Posted by: tonytony | September 3, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, we're bogged down in Iraq, paying their way and presenting this ridiculous Potemkin Village for a gullible American public, when those soldiers should be in Pakistan hunting down and killing Osama Bin Laden and close to a hundred thousand Taliban who are freely crossing the Afghan border to kill Americans. And you want to see even worse stupidity, just watch what happens if 72 year old McCain wins this election and gets incapacitated or even dies in office, leaving that ridiculous cross between Harriet Miers and Tonya Harding sitting in the Oval Office.

Posted by: Matt | September 3, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

The only people who HATE America are the ones currently in power who've been undermining the Constitution since stealing the 2000 election. McBush is now one of them. From war "hero" to traitor-- because picking a lying beauty queen for VP undermines the security of our country considering he is too old already.

Posted by: sfrose | September 3, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama did in fact vote against it. That he might have voted for it under other circumstances (say if the bill included $10 billion for hiring community coordinators or whatever) is irrelevant.

My son-in-law recently returned from Afghanistan where, thanks to pieces of human garbage like Obama, most troops lack valuable equipment like optical sights for their weapons.

Posted by: Chuck Cardiff | September 3, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

8 years of Repugnants is enough! Way to put it down, Mike.
Lieberman is a flopping fish, hardly an Independant-speaking at the RNC. I think this is his last hoorah.
As for McCain, he did nothing to prevent the start of the Iraq war. As HE of all people, should have known better!
As an American Citizen, living in Australia is feeling more like home, everday I watch this smear campaign on TV.

Posted by: susana | September 3, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

What a hoot! In american politics (no matter what the political party, no matter what the philosophical persuasion) the truth is the last thing our leaders stand up to defend with life and honor!

Americans... the world's just gotta luv us!

Posted by: Poops | September 3, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Mike A,

Your comment is right on. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Posted by: Andrew | September 3, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Lets hope Lieberman will be able to breath better once he pulls his nose out of McCain's rectum

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

I hated how Lieberman kept stating in his speech that he is a Democrat. He's not. He's an Independent. Lieberman makes it sound like Democrats are lining up to support McCain. Sounds more like Republicans are lining Lieberman's pockets.

Posted by: commodorecrush | September 3, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

McCain and Liberman are about 'uniting Americans'. The News Media and Bloggers are nothing more than rumour mongers, each trying to outdo the other. On it's best day it is 'yellow journalism'. Look at the way they keep on about Gov. Palin's daughter and keep expecting some big bombshell that will sink Gov. Palin. But then they are good at judging a person before he can exit the womb.

Posted by: Bob Elliott | September 3, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

We live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? The Democrats?

President Bush had a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.

You weep for dead cilivians and curse the Republicans; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what they know: that the civilian deaths and the multiple wars while tragic, probably saved American lives and that Bush's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

Bush and the Republicans have neither the time nor the inclination to explain themselves to liberals who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom they provide and then question the manner in which they provide it.

Posted by: Dan Kaffee | September 3, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

So Lieberman's a lier. Who knew? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. What a jerk.

Posted by: Jill | September 3, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

the title of the article makes the content clear, it's about a misleading statement Lieberman made in his speech. It's not "liberally" biased, it's called fact checking. it says it's a fact checking article, it has no hidden agenda. this is a good news piece and they should continue to do more for both sides, so that no one can get away with lying and misleading.

Posted by: mike | September 3, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

After all is said & done, one thing is painfully clear. You simply cannot be a good Republican without being a good liar, being a person of no conscience whatsoever, extremely selfish and extremely greedy. You must be a person who is willing to call an angel a devil and a devil and angel. In other words, there is no limits to moral depravity if you are a good Republican. Make no mistake about it - there are many Democrats who fit the same description, but among Republicans, its the religion & the rule.

Posted by: Raymond | September 3, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Iam a 100% disabled Vietnam veteran at least Obama showed up to vote for the New GI bill ,McCain sided with Bush saying The new bill was to generous,and never bothered showing up to vote to busy being a war hero and presidential candidate ,but the he has never been a friend to Vets ,just like Bush

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Clinging to a life jacket marked Titanic will not save you liberal dems. Really must frost to have one of your own party (yes I know he is now an independent- like Bernie Saunders but you still take his vote to hold a majority don't you)make sure an elequent speech for McCain.

Relax and enjoy the ride only 16 more years before you may have another shot at the presidentcy. And Hillary will be how old? But hey Barry can come back from his community organizing and run for the fifth time.

Posted by: joe, farmington,NH | September 3, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Another biased news source that clearly has Obama biases. Where is the "fact check report" on Obama's acceptance speech? I didn't find that in your archives?

Posted by: gaypastor | September 3, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

"As for Palin, ok...she looks like at least some of the population in America (white--are there any blacks in Alaska?), but what of these scandals and near misses of character? I want people in Government who can set the example, not find ways to justify their ignorance and bad choices. WAKE UP AMERICA!"

I agree! Joe Biden must step down as Obamas VP. He has one son that might goto prison for fraud and his daughter was just arrested for assaulting a police officer.
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Posted by: Dally | September 3, 2008 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman is clearly a liar. He is smart enough to know that he is lying. There's no excuse for this type of bald-faced lying.

It's ironic for a man that seems more interested in Israel's security than in America's security to be criticizing anyone else on national security policy.

Posted by: jay | September 3, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman is right. His right sends mixed truth to anti-USA coz he stands to crackdown D-party. He has bold pragmatic solution. He is a man. Lieberman.

Posted by: jamesbondlieberman | September 3, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Since you are all so wanting to make all statements factual let's start on all of Barry's speeches and his life from the time he was born in Kenyna. If that was done, the guy would be back in the hood looking for government grants to pander to the poor. When people protest so strongly, it really is just a mirror image of what they engage in on a regular basis. otherwise they would not be so keenly tuned into it.

Posted by: joe, farmington,NH | September 3, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Bob C., serve your country before you make stupid statements like "all people who hate America are voting for Obama". I'm a vet, I love this country and I am voting for Obama, because the Republican lies are what got this country into this mess, and that is all they are doing still, lying. They'll do anything to serve their own agenda and ideological beliefs, not serve the American people. You need to grow up.

Posted by: Soji | September 3, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

By PolitiFact -- since The Fact Checker of The Washington Post is away:

'If, by voting against funding for a strategy he opposed, Obama voted to "cut off funding for the troops," then so did almost every Republican in the Senate -- and Lieberman himself -- when they voted against a $124-billion appropriations bill on April 26, 2007, that would have funded operations in Iraq and Afghanistan but also required Bush to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq.'

These are really Politifacts since by the facts Obama voted against a bill on nothing else but "funding for the troops" while Republicans and Lieberman voted against a bill on "funding for the troops" along something else -- also requiring a change of policy.

Posted by: a Fact Checker is here | September 3, 2008 3:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm disgusted at the moronic partisanship shown on this board by most posters.

The average American flipflops without end yet with no guilt. After all, as we grow wiser, we change our minds.

Yet whoa be any politician who dares grow wiser and change their mind - or vote for a piece of legislation because of what it achieves in total, rather than be repelled by one tiny insert that they disagree with.

We'll jump on those 'sins' with a vengeance. How DARE McCain change his mind? How DARE Obama vote for an education omnibus bill that included a tiny provision on sex education?

How DARE they?......... Well, look at a mirror. They're no different from you or I, although some of you posters are determined to blind yourselves otherwise!

Posted by: Tammy | September 3, 2008 3:15 AM | Report abuse

Dan Kaffee. Are you suggesting that ALL soldiers in combat are Republicans defending this country? I doubt you mean that. Because if you did, you sir, are dead wrong. Remember, the US Military is America's #1 equal opportunity employer. So the luxury you speak of, is in the form of Chicken Hawks like this current administration. That includes the likes of g. w. bush, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, et al. Those who have better deferments/things to do than others who have less $fortune$

Posted by: susana | September 3, 2008 3:16 AM | Report abuse

Typical puppet answers Dan Kaffee. Wake up. This isn't a movie with Jack Nicholson. Although your terrorist clown Bush thinks he's in the wild west.

Posted by: tonytony | September 3, 2008 3:16 AM | Report abuse

And after you deal with Biden Kids what about Michelle Obama's out of wedlock child when she was a teenager? Have we looked into that yet? And the Joe Biden "black face" photos from his college days. They are coming about mid - October. Super stuff yet to be unfolded.

Posted by: joe | September 3, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

We live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? The Democrats?

President Bush had a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom.

You weep for dead cilivians and curse the Republicans; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what they know: that the civilian deaths and the multiple wars while tragic, probably saved American lives and that Bush's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

Bush and the Republicans have neither the time nor the inclination to explain themselves to liberals who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom they provide and then question the manner in which they provide it.

Posted by: A few good men | September 3, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me sir, I don't mean to be rude, but your bias is showing. You might want to cover that up a little bit. Wouldn't want you to be embarrased in public running around with your bias all exposed like that.

Posted by: dccupp | September 3, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

joe, farmington,NH
He wasnt born in Kenya ,you moron ,he was born in Hawaii.if he was born in kenya he couldnt be president

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

So, John McCain is considered a very wiseman by his party for selecting (R) Gov. Palin as his VP choice. (I) Joe Liberman is from Connecticut, why didn't Joe influence John McCain to select (R)Gov. Jodi Rell for VP? She, Jodi Rell is more qualified than Gov. Palin, both in age and wisdom. (I) Joe Liberman is a sheep in wolves clothing... meaning he will screw the Republican's after Obama becomes president. He'll be in need of friendship from anyone who will listen to him then. Hopefully Americans will see the truth between our two parties and also vote more Democrats into the Senate. Change is good, change is positive. Look, somehow Connecticut voters (Police & Firefighters) voted (I) Joe back into the Senate. Joe promised them like (R) Gov. Giuliani did for them with new equipment (never got). So, vote for change, not the same good ole boys in office now.

Posted by: Joe Oberman | September 3, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse


FRED THOMPSON ......" I think I can say without fear of contradiction she’s the only nominee in the history of either party who knows how to properly field dress a moose"

Hollywood Fred ( he's an actor you know ) overstates himself in true thespian proportions...and shows the typical GOP lack of accurate historical knowledge :
I'll give odds that Teddy Roosavelt could work his way around a moose 10X better than Sarah! Typical GOP grandstanding...BTW Lieberman was so obviously the pot calling the kettle black...if you wont see that obvious truth, then I call it natural selection patrolling the shallow end of the gene pool.

Posted by: trytryagain | September 3, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman avoided the Vietnam war by securing a marriage deferment then subsequently divorced her.

This unpatriotic ingrate does not have the moral authority to advocate sending American soldiers into war when he refused to serve.

The neocons want a dolt. just like Bush, so they can manipulate him to go to war with Iran.

When Reagan's poll ratings were as low as Bush's are now, because of Iran/Contra, Howard Baker was brought in and he got rid of the neocons in the Reagan administration and Reagan left office with a 64% rating.

If we can sent the occupants at Guantanamo back to their country and replace them with the neocons, perhaps our country can regain it's credibility and standing in the world.

The Democrats don't want Lieberman. The Republicans don't want Lieberman. America doesn't want Lieberman so perhaps the should take his Israeli wife and his feet to where his heart is -- Israel. Bon Voyage!

Posted by: Chagrined | September 3, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Did you expect anything else from the McCain campaign. He lies in all his adds. He lies in all his Town Hall Meetings. Lieberman made it sound like Obama was going to leave our troops there without any bullets. I can't wait to hear what they have to say tomorrow. The only thing our troops are doing in Iraq is protecting Bush's buddy's building contracts. I can't wait to see McCain claim victory when Bush is on his way to jail for starting an illegal war.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 3, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

all I can say OBAMA/BIDEN 08
vote now

Posted by: prieston | September 3, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Why we are hate to the man who interested in security of Israel? Or security of Iraq?Since unilateral approach has been accepted worldwide, since pre-emptive invasion has been agreed globally, so even we should prevent ourselves from "potential" people in roadside paths, neighborhoods, office corridors. D-party is matter in RNC, u know.

Posted by: jamesbondlieberman | September 3, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is; Exxon/Mobile is behind J. McCain selecting (R) Gov Palin as his VP choice. It'll be easier for Exxon to oil drill anywhere they choose with Gov. Palin as VP. This sounds and looks like VP Cheney is in control of G.W. Bush all over again. McCain/Palin... this is the same old politics of the current white house.

Posted by: Joe Oberman | September 3, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

That fact that, despite the volume of comments on this article, not a single republican supporter has responded to the actual arguments contained in it with anything more than name-calling is proof of just how decrepit and baseless their ideology is.

Posted by: anon | September 3, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

"My son-in-law recently returned from Afghanistan where, thanks to pieces of human garbage like Obama, most troops lack valuable equipment like optical sights for their weapons." Chuck Cardiff

Wow. How insightful, except for the fact that if we were only in Afghanistan and not Iraq the troops would have alot more equipment for those operations.

Do you think at all before you spew venom?

Posted by: Matt | September 3, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

Let's clear one thing up at the outset.

Though I was a Hillary Clinton supporter in the primaries, I am a Barack Obama supporter big time now.

This nation cannot afford four more years of warmed over Bush neocon policies and that is all John McCain offers.

That McCain had the poor judgment or the manipulative gall to throw Sarah Palin into the mix makes the election of Barack Obama and Joe Biden all the more imperative.

As to Joe Lieberman, he is an opportunistic, infinitely manipulative Zionist whose first allegiance is probably to Israel rather than either US political party. What he said or did not say at the lackluster Republican convention now in progress should not be of great import to anyone. Of course he wants a Republican administration in power. This, because neocons are more likely to bomb the hell out of Iran and a few other real or imagined enemies of Israel. Joe Lieberman is disgusting.

At this time, neocons have our nation at the brink of hostilities with Russia. Dick Cheney, the most sinister figure in American politics, is even now preparing to go to Georgia in the Caucasus region to stir more trouble.

The neocons are madmen. They may not go into the night of their inevitable ignominy without some last irresponsible gesture of bravado. We will all be damned fortunate if our nation is not at war on a new front when January 2009 arrives.

We don't need this crap for four more years. We have had enough now.

We need a change of direction and Barack Obama offers that change.

And no, I am not an anti-Semite. I am a realist. I do have a right to a negative opinion about Joe Lieberman, you know.

Posted by: D. Grant Haynes | September 3, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Concerning the response "Posted by: Mike A | September 3, 2008 1:50 AM", I am relieved to see at least a couple people helping to counter the flood of black and white trash-talkers that frequent most comment columns.

The fact is that the decisions made in congress have far ranging effects and deserve careful consideration. I look forward to the day when intelligent individuals speak about the issues and see mud-slinging for the useless sham that it is.

Please, for the sake of the USA, take a critical thinking course.

Posted by: Darrell | September 3, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Dan, you idiot, if you are going to use God in your comments, at least spell it with a capital letter. Joe Lieberman is a snake in the grass looking for love. John showed how much he cared about him when he picked an unknown for his running mate. He just flat right lied about Obama and so did Thompson. Barak worked with lots of Republicans, including John McCain. Stop calling yourself a Demoncrat, Lieberman. You are a man without a home

Posted by: Juliette | September 3, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

Watching the Republican convention is like watching a nursing home picnic

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mike A,
Your comments above are true. Conservatives/fascists have historically destroyed this and other countries. It was the right-wing that embraced slavery in the south. People like George Bush, who thought other people should be owned like property. How disgusting the South was...and many still are. They brought a hatred over America we cannot get rid of, ever! I'm glad they lost the Civil War! Now if Southerners could only just accept it and give up their hateful, bigeted ways forever!

Posted by: Victor T. | September 3, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Dear Chuck Cardiff,
I'm not sure if you read the article fully, so I'll try to explain it once more for you. If you assert that the terms under which Obama voted against the funding bill were irrelevant, than the same must be true about Lieberman voting against a funding bill on April 26th (McCain missed it, which for such an important vote, you would think he would have showed up). The reasons for them doing so, as you say, are irrelevant. You must therefore also label a vast majority of Republican senators, as you so colorfully put it, "pieces of human garbage".

As to your assertion that your son-in-law and his comrades in Afghanistan were missing valuable equipment "because of Obama" - well, the vote passed, didn't it? The military got all of the money it needed to fight it's wars (plural). If your son in law was under equipped, perhaps you should look to the wasteful and endless war in Iraq - all the good stuff goes there.

In conclusion, thanks for being one more member of the ignorant flock that makes up a large majority of this country. Please open your eyes and try to understand the world around you - its our only chance as a species, and as a country. Use your words mister - if you have an intelligent and well reasoned arguement to make, make it. If not, please leave the talking to the grown ups.

Posted by: Mr. Sharkey | September 3, 2008 3:37 AM | Report abuse

Bob... Everyone that disagrees with you has to be an America hater? You sound like the poor guy who sits at the convenience store talking to himself, paranoid, delusional, and angry.

All you have to do is open your eyes- if anyone is operating in a way that's damaging to America, it's the people who been "running things" for the past eight years. They have gutted the 1st and 4th amendments (watch out- they're comin' fer yer guns next!), they have sold your job to the 3rd world. They have sold your health and that of your children to the Pharmaceutical companies, they have sold your land to China and Dubai (among other places). They have sold out on an entire planet's worth of good will. And they have filled you with so much fear that you can no longer think straight- you're stressed out and you've sold out, to Big Brother so he protects you from the enemies that you see everywhere you look.

I hope you're just trying to be funny with the America Hater stuff. Ha Ha. Otherwise, wow! I can only imagine where you've been hiding your head!

The Republican Party, especially the current campaign, is becoming a parody of itself. You even doubt your own candidate- for good reason, of course, but still... And this new addition-- oh my god! Sarah Palin!? Her strongest credential is that she's under investigation for abuse of power. She fits in with the legacy of the Bush administration- which is all McCain has to offer anyway.

C'mon-- we all love America, but some of us think that Americans are smart enough to improve things- we're the ones called progressives (= "progress"). Some of us think that it's patriotic to stand for our country's greatness in the world- we're the one's called liberals. Some of us think that the Constitution of the United States is worth protecting. Some of us think that our freedoms, our ability to prosper, what we leave for our children- that's all worthwhile and worth fighting for.

Maybe you think it's patriotic to endlessly occupy a foreign country, privatize our military (Blackwater, KBR, etc), squander relationships with our allies, set an example of torture so that our very own soldiers are now at risk of same. Maybe you think it's patriotic to be deeply in debt to China, to reward corporations for moving off shore and creating tax havens so that you have to pick up the slack. Maybe you think it's patriotic to privatize and gut our infrastructure- our roads, bridges, hospitals. Maybe you think it's patriotic to let the big corporations own your "representatives". To have Oilmen Cheney and Bush in the highest positions of power. Closed door energy policy meetings with the heads of the energy companies. Legislation that blocks Medicare from negotiating prices with the pharmaceutical companies. The list goes on and on! This is patriotism? The selling of America and your soul!

Ya think so? You think you're so patriotic that you can challenge my patriotism because I trust Americans to be ready for bigger and better things than the last eight years? If so- you can put your head back where you were hiding it and just stop bothering the rest of us. We've got work to do.

Posted by: Fnord | September 3, 2008 3:39 AM | Report abuse

It was a Democrat parent, who fought for more body armour to protect our troops, not Republicans, who believe in less government. As a matter of fact, there are less FDA inspectors. We are experiencing more food poisoning in the U.S. because Republicans believe in less big government. That's why they (Republicans) passed into law, radiated food. Because there are less food inspectors able to safely insure your foreign (imported) food products are safe to consume. Is every Republican blind?

Posted by: Joe Oberman | September 3, 2008 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman is humanitarian thinker. His thought is wisely concerns of Israel especially when WWII exploded. Palestine terrorists eagerly copying hitler-germany's ruthlessness. German is freed from Hitler totally. Believe the fact. Wish to refuse humanitarian thoughts? Israel is a democratic proponent, free from ruthlessness psychology. So is our USA.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

An actual Christian artist singer on stage? I thought I tuned into the Jerry Falwell show. I hate you pubs soooo much because you are soooo selfish and care for nothing but you and your own. Country First my *&^% You put profit and money first, even at the expense of our sons' and daughters' lives. You do not care about this country. You let oil companies and hedge funds and out-of-control CEOs run you, you stupid, ignorant morons!

Posted by: Pub H8R | September 3, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: HemiHead | September 3, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

There is a context here that the Fact Checker must and does ignore in order to reach its, "barely true," conclusion. Sen. Leiberman explicitly connects funding for the troops and fleeing from Iraq: "When others wanted to retreat in defeat...when colleagues like Barack Obama were voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield..." The Fact Checker admits this connection: "Obama was fighting at the time for a requirement that President Bush begin to bring the troops home from Iraq. The bill in question did not include such a requirement, and that is why Obama voted against it." In the Fact Checker's construction, Obama would have voted to fund our troops - but not those in Iraq. He "was fighting...for a requirement...to bring the troops home from Iraq," and on those terms only - coming home - would Obama support them. Obama refused to support our troops on the battlefield, but would support them only on the airplanes home from the battlefield.

Sen. Lieberman was 100% correct.

Posted by: Enoch Wisner | September 3, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Whatever Obama's reasons were for voting against the bill, the fact remains that if it failed, which essentially is what his vote represented, the troops would not have been funded. If you want to report on Obama's intentions for voting against the bill, that is fine, but it doesn't take away what would have resulted if the appropriations bill was not passed. Since it passed 80-14, it was easy for Obama to play politics at the time when he was involved in the democratic presidential primary. The real question should be: Would Obama have voted against the bill if he realistically thought it could fail.

P.S. You do not have to ask John McCain that question to know the answer.

Posted by: Bob T | September 3, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

Washington Post sucks. I thought we could rely on them for independent reports and reviews.

Posted by: Disappointed | September 3, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

"That fact that, despite the volume of comments on this article, not a single republican supporter has responded to the actual arguments contained in it with anything more than name-calling is proof of just how decrepit and baseless their ideology is."


Cmon, guy. You can find dems that are just as bull headed, ignorant and blind as the bull headed, ignorant and blind republicans you're picking on. Pick on your own side first - maybe it'll set an example. God knows nothing else has.

Posted by: AA | September 3, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

Funny how the conservative LA Times, New York Post, New York Times, etc. do not allow readers to post their comments following each of their McCain/Palin/Liberman, etc. articles. Censorship from the Republicans? They are doing it.

Posted by: Joe Oberman | September 3, 2008 3:59 AM | Report abuse

The NY Post, NY Times and LA Times all censor their readers from posting comments after they post positive McCain, Palin, Liberman articles.

Posted by: Joe Oberman | September 3, 2008 4:02 AM | Report abuse

So 1/10 true is enough for a 100% lie by Dirty Joe, what a shocker.

Posted by: richard | September 3, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

So was that a vote "to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield"?

Not primarily.

Obama was fighting at the time for a requirement that President Bush send all US citizens free ice cream. The bill in question did not include such a requirement, and that is why Obama voted against it. Obama said at the time that he wanted free ice cream, and he just didn't think the troops were more important than ice cream.

Posted by: Donner (((loud | September 3, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

Al Gores VP running mate, Joseph Lieberman, is the modern day Benedict Arnold of the Democratic party & possibly the entire country.

Posted by: Newt | September 3, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

the guy who complained about the crowd being 97% white: here are the facts you are too ignorant to adress. City ppl vote democratic, and outside of the city in places where republicans win elections, MORE than 97% of the ppl are blue collar POOR WHITE ppl!
You are pushing the McCain is a racist card, like Obama and the rest of the liberals havee been hinting for weeks, especially during Obama exceptance speech!!!!
Fact: Obama IS NOT African American!!! Yet he talks as if he were a slave! McCain's very own adopted daughter is just as "black" as Obama is. A daughter who he loves... yet a man who loves someone, could still be racist how?
exactly!

Obama only has one chance to win, and right now in polls, and cities it seems to be working fine, get dark skinned minorities to forget the issues, listen to the speeches and agree that Bush sent Katrina, and now 4 hurricanes to knock out the southern Black voters.
Now the "Bush hates black ppl - McCain is Bush" is just stupid. Obama worships a man who claims God to damn america, is close friends with a self-described 9/11 terrorist, was a "freedom fighter" (terrorist, killing womena nd children in AFRICA!!!!) goto africa and see he is not welcomed in many countries. His own wife is not, and wrote papers about not being patriotic. He made many deals, and political and buisness advances with the curruption of Chicago.... what else do we need to know, to get an idea as to the charector of his man?!?????!?? He said if he wouldnt allow his dauters to ever be "punished" with a mistake, when talking about abortion. in his state he voted (didnt pass) to allow "post"-abortions, were baby are endosed prematurly within weeks/couple months of the due date and left on a metal table to die. (while children are rescued every day who are more severe conditions) he bashed thurgood marshall saying he wasnt good enough to be the first african american to be on the supreme court justice, he refuses to say the pledge with God in it, and refused to put his hand on his chest when it is being said with His name. He always talks about prayer as a sillent time, yet only pauses for a quick second, and ALWAYS ... TWIST and MISQUOTES the "be my brothers keeper" he is as fake on religion, and christianity as al gore was, (who read john 3:16 and called it John 16:3 which would be he last verse to quote when trying to get ppl to follow you) A many who looks for hope and Change! while only voting straight ticket liberal democratic, NOT working across illes!!! his is hopeless.

go ahead say the republicans had 8 years, truth is after 9/11 we were stuck until 2002 when we lost too many seats and the dems said no matter what to vote NO on anything Bush tried to push. No child left behind as bush's version of the liberal bills... yet bush is getting all the heat, who passed it, congress.
if you want the government to tax big buisness and oil, fine, but when the cost of food and clothes and fuel inflate (again, like they did over the past 2 yrs after dems increased min wage in many states) then dont cry because of our econom, which congress ruined.
if you want alternative fuel, then ask nancy palosi why the dems walked out of the meetign and vote last month on the very issue the republicans were voting infavor of???!?! yet they claim they are the party of change who will send us into a fuelless dependancy?! BS!

Posted by: phil | September 3, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

What a sad state of affairs for our country to see a once-great paper like the Washington Post fall victim to the liberal truthmongers.

You need look no further than the title of the column: "The Fact Checker". Any American who pays attention knows that facts have an obvious liberal bias, and that people who care about things like truth and facts overwhelmingly vote Democratic. Enough is enough! It's time for the Post to stop this liberal fact-checking nonsense and go back to reporting the news the way they are told to. No self-respecting newspaper should need a fact-checker to get the story right. Real Americans just want the straight, unbiased news. If I needed the truth, I'd hire a private detective.

Posted by: Red-blooded American | September 3, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

Same old and tired mendacious old politician outbursts from Sen. Lieberman.

Posted by: Brian Musah | September 3, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

Another liberal defending Obama. When will it end. Why have none of these "media" members questioned some of Democrat's statements at their convention? I'll tell you why. It's because the liberal media has an agenda it is trying to advance. It's called liberalism.

Posted by: Mark | September 3, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

There is a context here that the Fact Checker must and does ignore in order to reach its, "barely true," conclusion. Sen. Leiberman explicitly connects funding for the troops and fleeing from Iraq: "When others wanted to retreat in defeat...when colleagues like Barack Obama were voting to cut off funding for our American troops on the battlefield..." The Fact Checker admits this connection: "Obama was fighting at the time for a requirement that President Bush begin to bring the troops home from Iraq. The bill in question did not include such a requirement, and that is why Obama voted against it." In the Fact Checker's construction, Obama would have voted to fund our troops - but not those in Iraq. He "was fighting...for a requirement...to bring the troops home from Iraq," and on those terms only - coming home - would Obama support them. Obama refused to support our troops on the battlefield, but would support them only on the airplanes home from the battlefield.

Sen. Lieberman was 100% correct.

_______________________________

Bull. We don't need all those troops there. The more troops, the more money the war contractors make. We went there for WMD's and found none. We killed Saddam a long time ago. The Iraqi's even want us to leave. This crap is costing us 10 billion a month while companies like Halliburton are making a killing. Let the Iraqi's protect their own country. If they need some people for training or other thing's, fine. But we can't keep spending that kind of money on them while our country is falling apart.

Posted by: HemiHead | September 3, 2008 4:11 AM | Report abuse

By Al Hart, Solidarity4Ever, 7 August 2000. Lieberman is a member of the rightist Democratic Leadership Conference (DLC) and a consistent free trader. He has made a name for himself in the Senate as an Orthodox Jewish Democrat who likes to line up with Christian Conservative Republicans on so-called "moral issues." He left a very bad taste in the mouths of many Connecticut voters at the time of Lieberman's run against the liberal Sen. Lowell Weiker.

By Rabbi Michael Lerner, in BeliefNet, 7 August 2000. Joseph Lieberman is likely to accelerate the process in which the two major parties seem to be merging into one pro-business, pro-wealthy, elitist, and morally tone-deaf governing force.

By David E. Rosenbaum, The Record, 8 August 2000. Joseph I. Lieberman has often taken positions at odds with Vice President Al Gore and the Democratic Party on school vouchers, affirmative action, regulation of managed care, capital gains taxes and product liability. Usually votes with the Party, but when he has opposed the Clinton administration, Mr. Lieberman has invariably taken a more conservative stance, often the one held by Republicans.

Mid-East Realities, 8 August 2000. Joe Lieberman and Al Gore were two of the 10 Senators of the Democratic party who voted to make war on Iraq and who have pressed to maintain the genocidal "sanctions" on that country. When the actual policies he has advocated are examined in cold fact he has been one of the primary advocates of modern-day genocide, of neo-apartheid in the Holy Land, and of a rampant American militarism whose day of reckoning is yet to come.

From Steven Aftergood, Project on Government Secrecy, Federation of American Scientists, 8 August 2000. While Joseph Lieberman has spoken out against secrecy, he has opposed secrecy reform on several occasions.

By Anthony Boadle, Reuters, 11 August 2000. Democratic vice presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman is a firm opponent of relaxing the pressure on Cuba. He voted for the 1992 Cuban Democracy Act and the 1996 Helms-Burton Act tightening the embargo. Lieberman joined Republican politicians to delay the return to Cuba of six-year-old Elian Gonzalez, and he has consistently supported funding of the controversial U.S.-government's Radio and TV Marti stations that broadcast to Cuba. Lieberman and Gore have identical views on the goals of U.S. policy on Cuba.

By Edward Walsh, Washington Post, 26 September 2000. Under Connecticut law, if the Gore-Lieberman ticket wins in November and Lieberman is also reelected to the Senate, he would have to resign his Senate seat before taking office as vice president. Lieberman's replacement would be named by Republican Gov. John G. Rowland. Here in Connecticut, we all know (R) Gov. Roland served out his prison term.

Posted by: Wake up America | September 3, 2008 4:15 AM | Report abuse

At this point we can expect politicians to behave as politicians and if this is the first time a Republican has ever sought to mislead, well.... I thought they had this down to an art fom by now.

These people can't be trusted. Havn't we learned that so very well by now after the last long eight years of misleading speeches by Bush, Cheney and the rest?

Posted by: Joe Toledo | September 3, 2008 4:18 AM | Report abuse

Check out Sarah Palin hanging with the Bikers. She'd make a killer First Lady. http://megasizzle.com/2008/08/29/vp-candidate-sarah-palin-sex-scandals-vikings-bikers/

Posted by: HemiHead | September 3, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Dont hate Lieberman for the sake of human rights. Think. Obama rides others.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

"Cmon, guy. You can find dems that are just as bull headed, ignorant and blind as the bull headed, ignorant and blind republicans you're picking on. Pick on your own side first - maybe it'll set an example. God knows nothing else has."

The democrats often leave much to be desired and there certainly are people making ignorant and deceitful arguments in favor of virtually any cause out there, however a viewpoint that can offer seemingly nothing but such arguments as its supports is a worthless viewpoint. There is seriously a guy above accusing Obama of "killing womena nd children in AFRICA!!!!" Your post kind of seems to me to be a fallacy of equivalence: that just because two views are presented, they must be equally valid, which is, as mentioned in the name, a fallacy.

Posted by: anon | September 3, 2008 4:29 AM | Report abuse

Phil: I tried to make sense of your post, but it just reads like incoherent ranting. At least you've got company on this site.

AA: I admire your attempt to be even-handed, but before labeling the Democrats "bull-headed, ignorant and blind", you ought to consider that "spineless, obsequious and defeatist" is closer to the mark. Even on the issue of imposing a time limit on Bush Jr.'s disastrous adventure in Iraq, the Dems waffled. I'm not interested in second-guessing Barack's reasons for voting against the bill. It was the right thing to do, and I'm glad he did it. But even he seems to get stuck like a scratched CD (does anyone even remember broken records?) on this line about how McCain was wrong about the surge. I haven't seen a single politician with the courage to some out and tell the truth: that the reason things have improved in Iraq is that we started bribing Sunnis to fight the insurgents, shortly before we brought up our troop levels there. Why have no Democratic politicians had the guts to tell the American people the truth: that the Republicans in all three branches of government are so incredibly incompetent that they have killed our sons and daughters and put us all in danger through an expensive and pointless war, they have driven our economy into the toilet, and they have steadily eroded the freedoms that brave Americans have fought for generations to defend.

To my military brothers and sisters out there, and to their parents: wake up. Telling yourself that our commander-in-chief is keeping the homeland safe might help you sleep better at night, but we all know that this world is now more dangerous for Americans because of his actions. It hurts to admit we've been had, but you need to remember you took an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution, not the President. That guy's been dragging our great country and our good name through the mud for the past 8 years, and John McCain ain't planning to do a thing different.

Posted by: rbleib | September 3, 2008 4:31 AM | Report abuse

oops, meant to say "expensive and poorly-managed war", not "expensive and pointless". There was definitely a point, and I feel it every time I pull into the gas station.

Posted by: rbleib | September 3, 2008 4:34 AM | Report abuse

Once again, the Republicans are running a campaign based on belittlement of the opposition and issues related to reproduction - because to run on what they've accomplished these last eight years would simply be to take an active role in making themselves look ridiculous. Attacking Iraq after 9/11 made about as much sense as attacking Sweden after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. The Republicans orchestrated an imbecilic lightweight to sit in the Oval Office back in 2000 and 2004, and with this Palin character - you ain't seen nothin' yet!!!

Posted by: Matt | September 3, 2008 4:36 AM | Report abuse

If you like Jerry Springer, you'll love Palin.

Posted by: Fredo | September 3, 2008 4:39 AM | Report abuse

Palin, the biggest joke on this election so far!!!!!

Posted by: thisworld | September 3, 2008 4:52 AM | Report abuse

Reagan Democrat and "Disappointed":

Dobbs is still on vacation. Some intern is simply copying this from a different web site. Dobbs wouldn't write this slanted piece.

Posted by: JakeD | September 3, 2008 5:15 AM | Report abuse

I cannot stand the "right wingers" not because they are filled with so much hate for everything good but because they like to sell the good ideas of people who don't agree with them as bad until they steal those very ideas they call bad.

For instance, they detest democrats for wanting positive changes and have spent money advertising it as bad for the country. They've ridiculed the change idea and candidate for months. So they sought after a token veepee and suddenly change is good eveb though the change they are proposing is more of the same which is actually bad for america.

Even a republican house of rep said that the democrats have had progress with women in politics and now republicans are going to cash in on that. And all this after they trashed democrats for constantly working for progress.

The jigg is up republicans. Democrats are and always will be the true leaders in this country. They clean up the messes the republicans leave behind and are happy to as true patriots. All other parties and candidates can poke fun and jabs at the democrats all they want. America is smarter than that. America knows in their heart of hearts that the democrats put forward fresh, new and progressive ideas the founding fathers will be so proud of. The republicans are a big fat shame on us all. Like dog food we must take them all off the shelf they serve no useful purpose with all their distortions and lies.

America, time to take the garbage out. It's been stinking for the past 7 years.

Posted by: Patriot | September 3, 2008 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Typical attack politics - deliberate attempts to mislead: distortion, innuendo, & slander.
What else could we expect at the GOP convention? That's all the GOP attack machine is capable of.
They know America opposes the GOP position on taxes, health care, Iraq, et.al.
So all they can do is throw mud.
That's why this intellectually bankrupt party & its intellectually-challenged candidate are going to be trounced on NOv.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 5:32 AM | Report abuse

Joe Benedict Arnold Lieberman. I guess it is true. Gore did make a bad choice when he chose his VP. The one consolation prize is that his political career is now over. The Republicans really don't want him or he would be the VP choice again, and as a democrat I will not have him.

We all know that there was no WMD in Iraq. Why else were we told Sadaam had WMD and was using it to threaten his neighbors and then that he hid the WMD by giving it to those same neighbors. This might be almost believable until we realize that Syria was one of those neighbors. Syria is far more likely to use those weapons against you than it is to return them. More likely is that Sadaam did not have WMD and Mr. Bush knew it before he invaded. This makes Mr. Bush guilty of war crimes and Benedict Arnold Lieberman is an accomplice.

Mr. Benedict Arnold, hope you like your new life as a republican. We as democrats are people of class. We don't want you anymore.

Posted by: Coffee Nbagodoughnuts | September 3, 2008 5:36 AM | Report abuse

One note, Mccain's daughter isn't as black as Obama, she may have the same complexion but she is of southeast asia not of african descent. The ignorance level and the way people on the right spew garbage is beyond embarrassing now but as another blogger pointed out, you are free to spew hate, pass juddgment and lie and the rest of us are free to cringe and/or respond.

Posted by: patriot | September 3, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

GOP platform: Did you all know that McCain was a POW?

Let's face it. This country is effed and there is little reasonable people can do about it. We are outnumbered. Party until the inevitable decline and hope that the neocons need gardeners and maids after the apocalypse.

Posted by: Oy! | September 3, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATS HAVE NO CLASS!

Posted by: P D | September 3, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Folks get over it. Your VP candidate from 7 years ago has seen the light. He understands that your party has now become a joke. To put Barack Hussein Obama who has 140 days of actual work in the senate at the top of your ticket is shameful.

Posted by: Don C | September 3, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Gotta love, I enjoy seeing the neo conservatives respond to this article, in their own reality their way of doing thing is the only right way. Hence "right winger". Their leadership in the last eight years has been an utter and complete failure. Oh and to top it off they say that the democrat congress that has only been in session the last two years is unpopular and a failure LOL. Only reason is because the republicans and Bush will not allow any of the bills that will do the nation any good to be passed. Obama will energize votes from people who have never voted. Remember my conservative friends Hillary thought she had the race won hell I thought she did too and what happened??? People that she never thought would vote voted.

Posted by: AEM | September 3, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

To the folks of this paper you are shameful and I will take pleasure in you receiving your pink slips in the near future.

Posted by: Concerned | September 3, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

It's a Jew thing

Posted by: Trucker | September 3, 2008 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin is going to stand the convention on it's ear tonight. She is going to gut a live moose using only her teeth instead of giving a speech.

Posted by: ericmiami | September 3, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Independent Voter

Need a break from Lieberman?
Dropping A 300lb. Safe On A Buick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv3Kl0lqAwA

Lieberman made his statement. This is our quick response!

Change we can believe in.

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Independent Voter | September 3, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Well it is the GOP convention and the USA is in a tail spin. So after 8 years of a GOP President, GOP Supreme Court and 6-8 years of the GOP running congress...WHO DO THEY BLAME. The other party of course. Bush occupied a nation (Iraqi) that didn't do a THING to us. Bush has BORROWED billions from China, Kuwait and others...WITH no plan to pay it back. An they best the GOP can do is make joke about dressing a MOOSE (Thompson)and pick a mother of five kids who has ENOUGH problems within her household.

Posted by: morton | September 3, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I thought Obama wants out of Iraq win or lose as fast as "practically" possible. Therefore by definition he wants less spending for the troops and ultimately a total cut off. This contrast McCain who favors victory first and possible continued troop basing during peace time. Question does Obama want to withdraw troops even if it is done without victory? Clearly yes. Would voting against full funding of the troops be consistent with his views? Yes and the moral and honest thing to if he truly believes his own rhetoric, but apparently even his own defenders don't.

Posted by: Chas | September 3, 2008 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden weaseled out of military service during the Vietnam era with 5 student deferrals and then a bogus asthma diagnosis. SCANDAL!!!!! I'm sure the Washington Post will get right on that since they are so concerned with the truth.

Posted by: Biden is a Weasel | September 3, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Riiiiight, just like their was a huge story about Cheney missing service? (there wasn't)

You have bad memeory, 6:58, it's not the media, its your brain.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure there has ever been a politician that I can honestly say would bring a smile to my face if something bad happened to them.

It is a terrible thing to say, but there it is.

P.S. I don't consider Cheney a politician so much as a disciple of Satan.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 3, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Republicans have a real problem here.


McCain is making terrible choices, do we want this man as President?

I don't think so.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

The the republicants are weasles is no surprise.

What has surprised me is that I never knew they were such babies.

McCain 'punished' CNN by not appearing on Larry King because someone ask that lying liar Tucker Bounds to name one single command decision that Palin has made with the Guard.

He actually sat there festering in his feces.

Posted by: K Ackermann | September 3, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

It is the Republicans who hate America.

They offer nothing but screaming rhetorical insults to support their agrument....nothing more.

Meanwhile, documented actions by their own party prove they are against freedom, the Constitution, and the middle class.

The cognitive dissonance is alarming, but Republicans don't even know what that is.

Posted by: Republicans' selective memory | September 3, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Bob, get back to work. I know who you ard where you work. I think I'll tell you BC or DD.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

After reading your story, we have decided that you TITLE WAS MISLEADING and you get a NOT TRUE for trying to mislead people into thinking that barely true....is not the same as true.

That's like trying to say half full is not the same as half empty.


Posted by: annie | September 3, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Whiny little babies these Republicans.

The irony is lost on them, as their monds don't "get it"

the have been in power for 8 years, and still don't see how ridiculous they look and sound to the rest of the country.

their vocal minority is so loud and so ignorant, that they actually beleive half the stuff people like GW, Rush Limbaugh, and Dobson say.

Such a sad time for America, with all the advances in technology, that were are run by the stupidest members of the citizenry, elected by the the lowest common denominators, the dumbest Americans...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

@annie. Go post that commnet on Fox news, or do you only care to expose half-truths when they are AGAINST Republicans?

I don;t think Republican nwant to oopen the can of worms on "half-truths".

Typical Republican hypocrite scum.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I love to read the comments accusing Obama supporters as leftists, blah, blah. The real leftists are the ones in this country that sold out our jobs thru NAFTA and the other one sided trade agreements.

John McCain never found a trade deal he didnt like, nor an industry he wouldnt love to see outsourced to Vietnam.

Comrade McCain, now that 3.4 million manufacturing jobs have disappeared it makes a lot of sense McCain supporters will blame the democrats for their destruction of the US manufacturing industry.

Thanks McCain for voting to send millons of jobs overseas. My neighbors, my couisins, and my fellow Americans want to thank you personaly in November.

Posted by: Louis | September 3, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

For the Post to intimate that Joe Lieberman is (R- Israel) is lying scum is unfair. To scum.

Posted by: branfo4 | September 3, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman is a weasel. This piece makes it clear. He was accusing Obama of what he and other Republicans were also guilty, voting against funding for the troops because of disagreement with the funding bill itself, not the funding. It can't be any clearer than that, yet the Republican butt heads are so ripped on their anti-Obama Kool-aid they can't tell sh*t from shinola.

Lieberman is a lying toadying weasel. No surprise, then, that he's in the Republican's camp.

Posted by: GaryL1 | September 3, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Looserman has no Shame, kinda like his buddy McCain. Nobody likes a traitor. First you say you are a democrat and when facing re election defeat you change your party. Thank G'd he is where he belongs and away from the Democrats.

Posted by: Fareed H. Ansari | September 3, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully Senator Reid at the next Senatorila session will appoint LIEberman to head the Janitorial staff. It seems he loves wallowing in dirt!

Posted by: Richard,Orlando,FL | September 3, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I never would have thought I'd see Joe Lieberman sink to such a pathetic low. What a weasel. What a traitor. He even began to look more weasel like as the speech went on, with his front teeth beginning to protrude and buck out and ears sharpening into little points. Let's hear it for Joe "the weasel" Lieberman!

Posted by: al | September 3, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

This liberal rag just loves Obama, and he may become President because he has his lemmings running behind waiting to pick up the scraps that he promises to throw to them. The Pied Piper of Illinois will discard them when he no longer needs them.
Lieberman, like Zell Miller 4 years ago, realize the liberal agenda is bad for the country. Obama's tax plan is going to chase more jobs out of the country, if elected. You cannot tax the country to prosperity.
Gov. Palin is a strong VP choice and will make a difference in this election.

Posted by: Smitty | September 3, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

You're fighting two wars, one of which has nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden, your economy is in the tank, your scientists are silenced for political considerations, your health care is 17th in the world and costs more than anywhere else, your educational system is a wreck, your dollar is in freefall, Iran and North Korea are still building nukes, your traditional allies loathe your government - and all these idiot Republicans can harp about is curtailing the reproductive rights of women, stopping homosexuals from marrying and telling teenagers to abstain from sex. I guess the old saw about, "nobody every went broke from underestimating the intelligence of the American people," is true. You're all a bunch of sexually repressed, utterly infantile imbeciles! God, I can't wait until your country goes the way of the dinosaur. And good riddance too! You're awful!!!

Posted by: Matt | September 3, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Dobbs, you have Obama saying that Obama did not like the strategy. That's not his job, as he's not C in C.

Mr. Dobbs, there's a reason why we want the multitude, as represented by Senators and Representatives, to decide whether we want to make war in the first instance, and there's another and separate reason why we have one man at top to wage the war once declared.

The opposition to the surge is not a plus for Obama but a damning negative. The scope of the war power granted to the C in C is to remove Saddam and the Iraqi Ba'ath Party and establish a successor government. The surge is within the grant of that power and so the C in C was simply using his enumerated power as C in C to conduct the war as he sees fit. According to you, Obama voted against funding because he disagreed with the exercise of that right of command.

Maybe, when you speak with the man, you might ask Mr. Obama what place or right he has to interfere with the C in C's exercise of a power enumerated in the Constitution of the US of A?

Posted by: Paul | September 3, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

don't criticize obama you'll end up in the partisan hack column "the fake fact chekcer"

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Of course Lieberman lied! The influence of his new "friends" in the GOP is clearly rubbing off on him.

Traitor Joe: Loyal to neither party nor country.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Mike A @ 1:50 AM on 9/3 -

Well said Mike. You have a gift for putting into words what this country needs to hear. I love the USA. I respect and value opinions on all sides of all issues -because it is in hearing all views that we have a higher likelihood of making wiser decisions.

That is the single most important trait of Barack Obama that I find appealing - he surrounds himself and seeks out opinions of wise individuals of all persuasions and opinions - listens to their thoughts and guidance - and then makes informed decisions.

I view Conservative/Progressive , Hawkish/Dovish , Inflationary/Deflationary , Mainstream/Outside the Box , etc. etc. like the pendulum on a clock. It swings only two directions and it must go to the extremes of each to end up maintaining its momentum and in doing so it spends most of its time in the middle!!

Best wishes and thanks for your comments.

Posted by: Richard in York, PA | September 3, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

With all the charismatic people out there who have a good head on their shoulders, who represent the general makeup of America, why are we stuck with bunglers. No offense. You need an Italian design firm to get on this problem right away.

Posted by: William | September 3, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

WHAT WOULD JFK SAY?

Governor Palin had the political courage to stand up to corrupt public officials, some of whom were in her own party. She exposed their corruption, took them on, and won.

Senator Obama, when confronted with racist rants coming from his own pastor, didn't even have enough political courage to disavow him, only doing so AFTER Pastor Wright made disparaging remarks about Obama himself at The Washington Press Club.

Which of these instances would JFK have been more likely to have included in his book, "Profiles In Courage"?

Everyone finds it quite fashionable to compare Senator Obama to JFK. I remember JFK, and trust me when I say, "Senator Obama is No JFK".

Posted by: GeraldD | September 3, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Fact check this -- And why haven't you fact checked all the faux news the Post has printed about Sarah Palin so far? "Fact Checker" is acting openly as if it's the media wing of the Obama 2008 campaign, and have been all year.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 3, 2008 8:26 AM | Report abuse

WHAT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WON'T TELL YOU ABOUT WHY LIEBERMAN IS INDEPENDENT NOW (NETROOTS ANTISEMITISM)

The "netroots", or internet grass roots activists that have taken over the liberal blogs and that now effectively form the left wing of the media and the extreme left wing of the Democratic party voice, are anti-semitic.

They believe that all of our Middle East problems are caused by America being dominated by Jews in key positions and who leads us into disastrous confrontations with Arab Muslims.

They keep this under wraps as much as possible, especially on their public websites like DailyKos, but the hatred of Jews and the belief that our Middle East problems (and all Middle East problems) are caused by Jews is part of their vision for America.

The netroots did a bold thing a while back. They wanted to eliminate Lieberman, a prominent pro-Israel Jew, from his senate seat, and so they organized and supported a challenge to Lieberman in his home district. Lieberman, a senior senator who was on the 2000 ticket with Gore as VP candidate, lost his primary but then ran as an Independent. He beat the Democratic challenger, and kept his senate seat at an Independent.

But the netroots are still laying for him, saying that he's needed now because he gives the Democrats their 51-49 majority because he's chosen to caucus with the Democrats, but as soon as the next election where there are more Democrats and Lieberman isn't needed anymore, there will be a concerted effort to remove him from his committees and other authority. So even if LIeberman keeps his senate seat as an Independent, he will be isolated and marginalized by the anti-semites.

Last night at the RNC, there was an historic speech in which a Democrat who had run on its national ticket was addressing the RNC and endorsing a Republican candidate and ticket. The netroots and the daily-more-extremist left wing of the Democratic party really pushed him out there with their quiet but systematic anti-semitic, anti-Israeil agenda.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 3, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Obama is up by 6 points in an average of the national polling. He's also up in the majority of battle ground states.

Republicans will not be rewarded for bankrupting our country, destroying our housing market, crashing our stock market, devaluing our dollar, and forcing us into a war of choice in Iraq.

No More Years. 8 was way to many.

Obama/Biden 2008. Time for a new generation to lead.

Posted by: Mike B. | September 3, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused--this Lieberman "lie" was the subject of DNC talking points this morning. But I thought I was on the Washington Post webpage. I guess I am just a simple conservative who doesn't understand all the sophisticated liberal "nuance" involved.

Posted by: Winston Smith | September 3, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

GeraldD,

More importantly what would Eisenhower say about today's GOP?

The far right would run him out of town for his "liberal" views on taxation and government spending. The base would call him "weak" for not wanting to wage a permanent state of war in foreign affairs.

Btw, the answer is that JFK would consider the GOP to be the party of the nutcases. Of that much we can be absolutely certain.

Posted by: JP2 | September 3, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Hey FactChecker- are you going to check Obama's "facts" too? I am SO tired of hearing about how Obama was the only candidate who voted "against the war in Iraq". Yet HE WAS NOT EVEN IN THE US SENATE in 2000!!!!! THIS is a mainstay of Obana's platform but do we ever hear him come clean or the media holding him accountable?

Posted by: AWC | September 3, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing how many Republicans can't admit the obvious; Leiberman left out the context of Obama's vote (and the fact that Leiberman, himself, voted the same way) in order to make a spurious accusation. What does that say about you?

It's also amazing that now it's allegedly Obama's fault that troops are underfunded, yet it's been the Republicans controlling the pursestrings for the last eight years. Yeah, the last eight years where we went from a balanced budget under Clinton to unheard of levels of deficit under Bush.

The last eight years have been an utter failure for fiscal responsibility, protecting constitutional rights, & maintaining national security. Anyone who truly loves this country wouldn't want to continue going down the same path.

Posted by: Jomama | September 3, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Aren't Arabs Semites? Isn't Israel complicit in spying on US? I don't see why we have to support Israel on every issue. Senator Lieberman would do well to support the US even if it is to the peril of Israel. We are fighting their battles in the Middle East against the wishes of most of the world. 40% of Israels oil is coming through Georgia which is why we are involved there.
Lieberman is a whining loser whose main project is trying to make sure Israel is well represented in the Senate.

Posted by: ANTISEMITISM | September 3, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

AWC, please provide a source where Obama -- or his campaign surrogates -- have ever claimed that he VOTED AGAINST THE WAR.

Obama is on the record for having SPOKEN OUT against the war, but he has never said that he VOTED AGAINST THE WAR.

There's no need for you to be a liar too, like Lieberman.

Posted by: JP2 | September 3, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Nothing misleading about the liberal media love affair with Obama is there? Nothing misleading about the sexist liberal media attacks on Gov Palin is there.

Noone will ever believe the media again. You have sunk to a new low with your double standards. You never once vetted Obama. There are still questions unasked about your messiah yet you attack a defenseless 17 year old girl.

Liberal sexism at it's worst.

Posted by: reason | September 3, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

why is it , if you dont support the ear you hate America?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

I AM APPAULED THAT THE POLLS WOULD LIE AND SAY OBMAH IS UP IN THE POLL’S 50-42, I MEAN COME ON THAT IS ABSOLUTEY FALSE!!!!

THE POLLS HAVE NOT CONTACTED MYSEF, MY FRIENDS OR FAMILY MEMBERS.

OH YEAH BY THE WAY I AM A 24 YEAR OLD BLACK MALE WITH FRIENDS OF ALL ETHNICTITES (AT LEAST A HUNDRED OR MORE) THAT SUPPORT OBAMAH!!!!

THE POLL’S IF ACCURATE WOULD PROBALLY SAY “WELL McCain JUST DOSENT EVEN HAVE A CHANCE IN &&@ TO WIN”

SEE WHAT PEOPLE FAIL TO REALIZE IS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE, SINGEL MOTHERS, AFRICAN-AMERICANS, LATINOS, HATIANS, JAMICANS, INDIANS, ASIANS AND OTHER MINORITES WHO DO NOT USALLY SHOW UP AT THE POLLS ARE PISSED OFF WITH THE GOVERMNET AND COME NOVEMBER ARE GOING TO GO TO THE POLLS AND WEAR THEM DAMN VOTING BOOTHS OUT!!!!!!!!


ANOTHER FACT IS EX-CONS WITH FELONIES IN NEW YORK CITY AND ALL OVER ARE EXCEPT 15 STATES ARE HOLDING A MOVEMENT ACROS AMERICA TO GET THEIR VOTING RIGHTS BACK. WHICH IN A LOT OF STATES IS LEGAL BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DIDN’T KNOW BUT NOW THEY DO.

WHO DO THINK THEY WILL VOTE FOR?

HA HA HA HA HA !!!

Posted by: MARCUS | September 3, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Sen. Leiberman gives me the goosebumps, too. Here is a man of character, judgment and principals who also has the courage to stand up for what he believes is best for this country! I have long admired Sen. Leiberman but now I have renewed respect for this courageous gentleman.

Posted by: FlaLady | September 3, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

let me try that again Why is it, if i dont support the war i hate America?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

How is it sexist to state that Palin has no national security experience and next to no experience dealing with federal issues?

It's like calling someone ageist for stating that McCain did a sloppy job of vetting and seems willing to endanger the safety of this country just in order to win over the extreme far right.

Who takes the GOP seriously anymore?

Posted by: JP2 | September 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

The activist anti-semites are coming into power.

After this election, if there is a clear Democratic majority, the netroots who forced Lieberman out of the Democratic party in the past senate race, so that he ran and won as an Independent, will try to have him stripped of his jobs in the senate and isolated and marginalized.

And, as they envision it, their candidate, Barack Obama will put an end to the pro-Israel activism of the U.S. while they target and remove those prominent Jews who stand in his way.

Posted by: AsperGirl | September 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I WOULD REPSECT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IF THEY OWNED UP TO THEIR TERRIBLE MISTAKES.

Posted by: DAVID | September 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

THEY ARE NOT THE PARTY OF LINCOLN BUT THE PARTY OF JEFF DAVIS

Posted by: DAVID | September 3, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

>>Winston Smith wrote: "I'm confused--this Lieberman "lie" was the subject of DNC talking points this morning. But I thought I was on the Washington Post webpage. I guess I am just a simple conservative who doesn't understand all the sophisticated liberal "nuance" involved."

This is the "WatchingObama Post". They watch Obama's website and repost the talking points over here.

Besides, they're too busy now manufacturing a full-throated, multifaceted tirade against Sarah Palin that they have no time.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

How could Barack have advocated "retreat in defeat from the field of battle" in May of 2007 when Bush himself declared that the mission was accomplised on May 1, 2003? The mission was to get rid of Saddam and ensure that there were no WMDs... Saddam was excuted on Dec 30, 2006 and there never were any WMDs so WTF are we still doing there? It's not for the oil since we're paying $4/gallon now and the price of gas was less than $1.50 when the war started. Meanwhile the Iraqis are sitting on a cool $80 billion oil surplus. Wouldn't it have sent more of a message if we kicked over their sand castle and then left them to rebuild it themselves?

John McCain says Obama wants to raise your taxes and that pisses him off. Unless you make a quarter of a million dollars a year then that's not true... what REALLY pisses McCain off is that Obama wants to raise HIS taxes. It's ironic that the most hardcore Republican states are the ones who stand to benefit the most from a Democratic administration, while the states that generally lean Democratic are the ones who actually will be taxed more. During every Republican administration in the last 100 years the income gap between rich and poor has grown and it has shrunk during every Democratic adminstration. It's not about welfare, it's about loans and incentives to help people start their own busniesses, or make their home more energy efficient. It's about spurring the economy and creating new jobs. The last time the US pulled all of it's resources together we sent a man to the moon and started the computer age (under a Democrat no less). What is more important? Having a good job, with a good pension so you can retire and live comforably or making sure gay people in California can't get married? Wake up...DON'T BE FOOLED if you aren't rich and you vote Republican you are voting AGAINST YOUR OWN SELF INTEREST!
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

Posted by: BD | September 3, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

while we all write ss we are rooting for our favorite football game we don't ask the obvious question. Who is Lieberman really working for? The american people, or Israel?

Posted by: Narnia | September 3, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT ALLOW POLITICAL PARTIES TO EXPLOIT THE AMERICAN FLAG JUST BECAUSE YOU YOU WAVE A FLAG DOES NOT MEAN YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY. YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY BY MAKING SURE MORE GOOD HARDWORKING AMERICANS HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE. YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY BY KEEPING JOBS FOR AMERICANS TO WORK AND NOT SENDING THEM OVERSEAS. YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY BY NOT BEING RACIST AND EXCLUSIVE

Posted by: DMJR. | September 3, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"Barely true is still true." Here we enter the realm of defining "is", not inhaling, and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." All those statements were true too, but do we really want to go there?

Posted by: kguy1 | September 3, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"Lieberman Misleads on Obama's Record"
"The Sun Rises in the East"
"Water is Wet"
"The Sky is Blue"

Posted by: Judge C. Crater | September 3, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

THIS PRESIDENT HAS NEVER BEEN FOR THE PEOPLE THE POLLS INDICATE THAT PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER BLACKS HAVE ALWAYS SUFFERED FROM FROM BIG BUSINESS WHEN THEY WORKED FOR FREE. THE SAME CONCEPT OF WORKING PEOPLE FOR LITTLE OR NOTHING IS ALIVE AND DOING WELL I HURT BY STORIES OF HARD WORKING GOOD MOTHERS AND FATHERS WHO ARE WORKING WITH OUT HEALTH CARE AND GETTING LAID OFF SO CEO'S KEEP THEIR BONUS CHECKS

Posted by: DAVID | September 3, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

FRED THOMPSON ......" I think I can say without fear of contradiction she’s the only nominee in the history of either party who knows how to properly field dress a moose"

Obviously Ol' Fred has forgotten Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, and numerous other nominees with hunting skills. Heck, TR even named a party for the moose- the Bull Moose Party 0f 1912.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"You liberals are hilarious.
Where did he mislead? He voted no, and had the bill not passed, it would of cut off funding.
Posted by: Dan | September 3, 2008 2:30 AM"
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And then other, competing bills to fund the troops would have been debated and eventually one of them would have passed, hopefully with a provision to begin bringing troops home. You should have payed more attention in Jr. High School Civics class. There were several bills proposed and every one of them provided the necesarry funding to ensure that the troops had what they need... it wasn't the Dems who sent them there in the first place without armored Humvees or body armor. If someone hands you a bowl of Cheerios and piss and you say no thanks does that prove that you don't like Cheerios?

...and by the way it's "would HAVE" not "would OF", you should have payed attention in English class too.

Posted by: BD | September 3, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

WE WERE MISLEAD INTO WAR. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS EXPLOITED THE FLAG AND OUR TROOPS. THEY SHOULD SAY OUR AGENDA FIRST NOT COUNTRY FIRST. JUST BECAUSE I FOUGHT IN THE MILITARY DOESNT MEAN I LOVE PEOPLE MORE THAN OTHERS WHO DIDNT

Posted by: DMJR | September 3, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman proved to me that "Judas" was a real person. How unfortunate that Lieberman said previously that he would not attack Obama at the convention, but did just that.

He stood there in front of the camera and lied to the American people that Obama achieved nothing in the Senate. He lied about Obama not supporting funding for our troops. If Obama did, then Lieberman did the same thing. Lieberman votes with Obama 90+% of the time and is supporting the McCain/Palin ticket, calling Palin a good exciting pick? Lieberman has only met Palin once and that was yesterday.

And did anyone see the follow-up interview after the GOP Convention with NBC's Andrea Mitchell. When Andrea asked Lieberman "should something happen to John McCain, God forbid, is Sarah Palin ready to be Commander-n-Chief", Lieberman chuckled and stumbled through a muddled answer that he supports McCain. What kind of hypocritical B.S. is that ?!

Lieberman better hope Obama doesn't win because Lieberman will be disowned if Obama wins and Democrats do well in the Congressional races!

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 3, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

ITS APPARENT THAT JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE CAN SPELL BETTER THAN OTHERS DOESNT MEAN THAT STATEMENT YOU SAID WAS TRUE. THE WAR IN IRAQ SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN WAGED IN THE FIRST PLACE THE PRESIDENT SAID THAT THE MISSION WAS ACCOMPLISHED 5 YEARS AGO.

Posted by: DMJR | September 3, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I LOVE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH ALL MY HEART BUT SOME BE HAVE STONGER LOYALTY TO FORIEGN COUNTRIES THAN DO THE UNITED STATES. JOE'S SPEECH MAY BE SEEN AS THAT THE JEWISH PEOPLE WANT THE UNITED STATES TO DO THEIR WARM ONGERING

Posted by: DMJR | September 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Why is it every other post in this column has to start with Obama and Ayers. Point of fact, Obama was a you kid when Ayers did what he did. Get over it. Why is it when you ask a Republican a question, the all give the same response, like they were coached? Well boys get over it, McCain won't make it through the debates..

Posted by: repubsuck | September 3, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I LOVE JEWISH PEOPLE WITH ALL MY HEART BUT SOME BE HAVE STONGER LOYALTY TO FORIEGN COUNTRIES THAN DO THE UNITED STATES. JOE'S SPEECH MAY BE SEEN AS THAT THE JEWISH PEOPLE WANT THE UNITED STATES TO DO THEIR FIGHTING. THE UNITED STATES NEEDS TO LOOK AFTER THEIR OWN PEOPLE

Posted by: DMJR | September 3, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

SARAH PALIN NEEDS TO PUT HER FIRST FAMILY FIRST. MANY TIMES PARENTS PUT THIER DREAMS IN FRONT OF THEIR CHILDREN

Posted by: DAVID | September 3, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

SARAH PALIN WAS A MEMBER OF A POLITICAL PARTY THAT WANTED ALASKA TO SECEDE FROM THE UNITED STATES. YEAH RIGHT COUNTY FIRST MY

Posted by: DAVID | September 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I BELIEVE THAT THE INSTEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY CELEBRATING OBAMA'S GREAT ACHIEVEMENT THEY MISSED A OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN YOUNG PEOPLE

Posted by: LINCOLN | September 3, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I AM A DIE HARD CONSERVATIVE DONT TRUST THE MCCAIN PALIN TICKET IT IS DOOMED

Posted by: JACK | September 3, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Gov. Tom Ridge is far more qualified than Gov. Palin to be a heartbeat away from the Predentcy:

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge
www.dhs.gov

http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/ridge-bio.html

On October 8, 2001, Tom Ridge was sworn in as the first Office of Homeland Security Advisor in the history of the United States of America. In the words of President George W. Bush, he had the strength, experience, personal commitment and authority to accomplish this critical mission.

The President established the Office of Homeland Security and the Homeland Security Council, following the tragic events of September 11. His charge to the nation's new director of homeland defense was to develop and coordinate a comprehensive national strategy to strengthen protections against terrorist threats or attacks in the United States.

Ridge was twice elected Governor of Pennsylvania, serving from 1995 to 2001. He kept his promise to make Pennsylvania "a leader among states and a competitor among nations." Governor Ridge's aggressive technology strategy helped fuel the state's advances in the priority areas of economic development, education, health and the environment.

Then Governor Ridge cut taxes every year he was in office. To ensure Pennsylvania was home to the jobs of the future, the Governor created industry-led Greenhouse initiatives in advanced computing technologies and the life sciences.

He signed into law the Education Empowerment Act, to help more than a quarter-million children in Pennsylvania's lowest-performing schools. His education technology initiatives brought anytime, anywhere learning to Pennsylvanians from pre-school to adult education.

During his years in the Governor's office the number of children receiving free or low-cost health care through Pennsylvania's nationally recognized Children's Health Insurance Program increased by 145 percent increase.

Governor Ridge's common sense Land Recycling Program is a national model. He won passage of "Growing Greener," to make Pennsylvania's largest environmental investment ever, nearly $650 million.

Born Aug. 26, 1945, in Pittsburgh's Steel Valley, Gov. Ridge was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his law degree and was in private practice before becoming assistant district attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

Governor Ridge and his wife, Michele, the former executive director of the Erie County Library system, have two children, Lesley and Tommy.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 3, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Whatever Joe said is probably true for him. I'm sure he does not think he is delusional or lying.

Posted by: everything is relative | September 3, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

The great Obama is misleading his party. The whole democrat party is misleading this nation. When are these left-wing, liberal so-called reporters going to take their mouth off of Obama's wee-wee? We get it that NY Times, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC are totally Obama kool-aid drinkers and are too punch drunk to see the real facts and that is Obama is not ready to lead. Quit trying to cover up Obama's shady deals and people of question he hung out with and still hangs out with.

Posted by: Ken | September 3, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Certainly appreciate the post. Very clear and helpful. I am a republican who is fed up with this whole situation. I will certainly vote for Obama this time. Bush decieved my vote, gave me false information to wage a war, did not realize that living standard for avg american is going down the hill, industried are leaving the country to set up plants elsewhere. Now they claim john / sarah are mavericks and wont repeat the same mistake. I agree but cant take a chance. Obama atleast has sound economic advisors who realize that it is not a mental recession and ofcourse he will have our military at his disposal to protect us if need arises. No McCain unfortunatley for me this time. Sorry

Posted by: anonymus | September 3, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse


Barely true, meanwhile the press really starts to ask questions about McCain's judgment.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/across-the-pond-and-back-again-open-season-ii/

Lieberman's help won't help.

Posted by: European_Elitist | September 3, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Joe Lieberman should register as an agent of Israel. His only consideration for anything that passes through the US Senate is "How will it benefit israel"?

I'm sick and tired of the venality of Mr. Lieberman and his constant shilling for AIPAC and their toadies.

Posted by: AnaHadWolves | September 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

As I have said in the past, all the Republican candidates are liars. They can't get the facts straight about anything. They will stoop so low and do anything trying to get elected. Lying will not prosper. Obama already has improved his stand in the Poll and continually to remain higher than the lying Republican candidate and his croonies.

Posted by: lclon | September 3, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Ken, get a life!

Posted by: Tomas | September 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

As a Vietnam-era vet, I am amazed at the Bush bashing that the Iraq war seems to generate. The Johnson administration had no clue as to how to win a war, nor how to properly fight one. If Iraq is about oil, and it's not, then Vietnam was about keeping the war machine stateside running. Talk about a "false" economy. As for Joe, keep up the good work, and stay on the right side of the tracks.

Posted by: JimH | September 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Why are almost all of the commentaries on the Washington Post closed this morning? Joe Lieberman is the east end of a pig going west.

Posted by: THIS JUST IN | September 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

McCain, Thompson and Lieberman, yes America is red, white and blue. However when I'm out visiting different areas of our beautiful country I see many other colors. I remember when TV went to the color format every one said things were much better in color. Now that is an issue I truly believe in.

Posted by: Sandy A | September 3, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

This election is war for the right (white men) to retain their power. Look at the diversity at the Republican convention. The Republicans diversity is white women. They hire their daughters and wives opposed to a non-white. It's the same with Gov Palin. What is so sad about it is they are using Hillary Clinton's pplaybook in the primary. We can only hope it doesn't work this time as it didn't work for Hillary. Out here in the real worled it is defintely time for a change, a real change that Obama can give our country. Notice all the Repulicans do is call names no substance on policy.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

the help and supplies and buses to leave were there for the people during Katrina but know one used them get it straight.

Posted by: Arthur3 | September 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

@ Mike A | September 3, 2008 1:50 AM
I'm not American but I was inspired by what you said! Thats how I used to view Americans 10 years ago.

Posted by: LP | September 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I WAS ONCE PROUD OF JOE L. NO MORE!

Posted by: DABIRK | September 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Washinton post should change its name to Obama Post or Liberal Post. It is a shame how this news paper is shamelessly in bed with Obama...
People will denounce all these biased liberal Obama media and teach them a lesson.

Posted by: Hillarysupporter1 | September 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Hey, JimH - I was in Vietnam too, when Nixon was running things. And in case you hadn't noticed, he didn't know how to win a war either. And in the end, as he put his, "I've got a secret plan to end the war," policy in play (a typical Republican pack of lies during a campaign if I ever heard one) twenty five thousand more Americans boys got killed and three hundred thousand wounded in the run up to our turning tail and running for the hills.

Posted by: Frank | September 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

The only person misleading anyone is the writer of this article. This was irresponsible journalism, the heading suggests so much more. It's misleading for the people who don't read the whole article. I was expecting at least 5 examples but instead there is only one example and it's not even a good one.

Posted by: DC chick | September 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

THANK YOU FOR THIS ARTICLE. THE REPUBLICANS ARE KNOWN FOR THIS TYPE OF LYING AND SPIN. KARL ROVE IS THE GRAND DADDY OF DECEIT. JOE L. IS A LOSER! PLAIN AND SIMPLE. THANK GOD HE IS NO LONGER A DEMOCRAT!

WHAT A BUNCH OF B.S.

Posted by: The Patriot | September 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"Pretty sad to see the low level of discourse in the right-wing comments. Maybe the truth isn't working for them."

Posted by: Dan Phillips

I agree with you 100% Dan. The neocons never seem to let verifiable facts get in the way of their disasterous agendas. Their comments are always conjecture, illogical analogies or FOX spun opinion all of which are devoid of truth. It is clear how uninformed and mean spirited they are. Then they wrap themselves in the flag and claim they are the only true Americans. Pathetic.

Posted by: Mark Mosvick | September 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Let's be realistic here, Obama didn't vote for anything significant in the few day he has actually been at work in the Senate. He votes "present" to be sure we know he was there. He's no more prepared to be president than Jimmy Carter was. No leadership experience, and no command experience. He can't even stay on one job for more than two years. He does have very influential friends whom I'm sure will advise him, (Ayers, Wright etc.).

Posted by: James | September 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman's outright lie came when he declared that Obama has never reached across the aisle to accomplish anything significant. I guess Lieberman closed his eyes and ears, and skipped the votes, when Obama worked with Lugar to create the nuclear weapons bill, pushed legislation to protect our veterans after they return home, and changed lobbyist loopholes that McCain had been content to leave in place.

Posted by: Cindy | September 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone believe anything Joe Lieberman says while he sets on the fence and backs any plan that benefits his ego. You have to admit he did straighten out McCain on his many flawed statements he tried speaking about. Sorry Joe your rear kissing didn't get you the V.P. nomination. I wonder if he actually knows what he's doing in the senate being neither party wants him.

Posted by: Ralph | September 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a phony shyster!! Ten cent ambulance chaser that the dems trot out every eight or twelve years in the hopes that people will have forgotten the last Phonies like Palosi and Reid.

Posted by: Billgls | September 3, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"Funny how all people who hate America are voting for Obama."

Funny how a lot of morons out there actually think half of Americans hate America.

Posted by: drossless | September 3, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

President Obama has a great record with regards for the troops and veterans, that's why he leads in all the veteran polls. Unlike McSame he has not voted on any bill that helps the troops and their families as well as veterans. Just take the last GI bill that was passed by Congress and where was McSame - he opposed the vote than he and Bush tried to take credit for its passing.

The other thing did you guys noticed that the GOP audience is 99.9% white? This party has no diversity and the red color just reminds me of communism. The GOP claims that it is a party of reform, but no diversity. Wow!

Posted by: ob08 | September 3, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Strap yourselves in AMERICA it's gonna be a bumpy ride............... GOD HELP US ALL... ;)

Posted by: jjboo | September 3, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I just don't get it? What is such a big deal with Israel and US relations taking center stage this election. I know they are our allies and we should protect them but when did protecting Israel become a part of our constitutional duty?

When will the Israelis send troops in our campaigns to restore peace around the world or they only do monetary contributions and let us bleed?

I think we need to rethink our political alignments and take to task our friends and foes - Either you are with us or against us!

Posted by: Abhi Kazoo | September 3, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

So......you really want a man of 72 in the White House who has a better than even chance of having severe health problems before his term expires? Sure you do! Of course, we will all feel secure with Sarah Palin as President as she has extensive experience in domestic and foreign affairs.
What are you people thinking?! This is the worst ticket I have ever seen the Republicans put on stage, well, maybe the second worst, Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew are up there too.

Posted by: Roger | September 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh, if only you conservatives could spell. ( Too busy being frightened to read and think, I guess. ) Hey, ever hear of the "Know Nothing" party?

Posted by: Miriam | September 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what all the fuss is about regarding McCains and Palins credentials. They are first rate.

McCain being the son of an Admiral and the Grandson of an Admiral went to the Naval Academy. Due to the fact that his father and grandfather were both active Admirals I'm sure he was under extreme pressure to do well and that's the reason he finished 894th out of a class of 899.

He only wrecked 4 airplanes while in Navy Flight School. Isn't that about average?

And Palin. C'mon people, she's definitely ready to be president. I don't know how she managed it but she was able to get into the University of Idaho Journalism School. I hear that you can't get into the Univ of Idaho unless your dad is a congressman or donates enough money to build a new dormitory.

I can tell you one thing for sure its a heck of a lot harder for a White girl with connections to get into the University of Idaho than it would be for some poor black kid to get into Columbia and Harvard Law School. That's a no brainer....

And then she was the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. How could that not prepare you to be Vice President and one heart beat away from President. Why Wasilla is bigger than most high schools in this country! So what if she ran a budget deficit every year she was mayor. Its the American way.......heck, between 1980 and 2008 there have only been 5 years that this country has had a budget surplus....1996 thru 2001. So, no big deal there.

But if you want experience lets talk about her heading the Alaska Oil Conservation Commission. There she headed up the entire department of 22 people. WOW!!!!! I wasn't sure how she mangaged so I went to there website and found the 22 people listed and 10 of them had the title of administrative assistant. See, she knows how to spread around authority.

And can you believe those crazy democrats? Trotting out Obama's Law Degrees from Columbia and Harvard. And bragging how he was the President of the Harvard Law Review, his 10 years teaching constitutional law at the Univ of Chicago Law School, his 8 years in the Illinios State Senate and his 4 years and a United States Senator. Bah! Just because this nation was built on a constitution of laws doesn't mean squat.

And Biden. C'mon! His resume is a joke. A degree in Political Science from the University of Delaware, a Doctorate of Law from Syracuse University, 36 years as a United States Senator of which 12 years were as Chairman of the United States House Judiciary Committe until 1997 when he took over as Chairman of the United States Foreign Affairs Committe.

Isn't it obvious these two have no credentials to be president or vice-president. You'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise........


VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

VOTE FOR EXPERIENCE AND COMMON SENSE

Posted by: TRUE AMERICAN | September 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for saying it right Mike.
8 years of a bad republican administration can not be rewarded with 4 more years of of McCain /Paylin. I can hear Bible trottling evangelical mullas entering the White House and the Supreme Court. 8 is enough. Lieberman only reason for existence is Israel. Too bad he forgot he was an American Senator first.

Posted by: enn | September 3, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

For what it is worth I think all of politics is full of half-truths (at best) and outright lies most of the time. These people are just trying to get a better paying job that feeds their egos and has very little to do with what "we the people" want. After all when was the last time your political leader called you to ask what you wanted them to do in regards to any of the bills that have been passed? How many of us got a call from either candidate to ask us who we wanted to be the vice-presidential candidate? Our problem with the political system in our country is that we have just handed it over to the people who wanted it and since so few of us vote (which I think should be a requirement for citizenship, and no I don't care who you vote for, just that you vote) we don't hold anyone accountable. If you did half of what your elected officials do on your job, you would be like millions of Americans, on unemployment. If we want change in America than "we the people" need to bring it about, after all do you really think a politician is going to do something that eliminates or reduces their power? A government of the people, by the people, and for the people needs the people to be actively involved in it. So I would just say that before you vote in November, listen to what the candidates say carefully, research it as best you can, and vote for who your head and heart tells you will do the best for "we the people" and maybe, just maybe, they will listen to what we want not what is best for their careers (and re-election). Most importantly GET OUT AND VOTE.

Posted by: Miami Bill | September 3, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

It looks like all of the “Alaska first damn the United States” lovers are mad because “Benedict Arnold” Lieberman got caught in a lie.

Posted by: econprofes | September 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Liberals are cut from the same cloth. No differences, no changes no nothing. Lieberman made a statement that was true. The statement that he voted no also should give Liberals pride because he was able to say it. The topic was not about Lieberman it was about Obama. There were also others who voted no or dissented but liberals being liberals must attack someone. They are like terrorists, if there is no one to attack then they will attack from within. Sounds like a lot of Homosexuals.

Palin is an excellant choice and experience?.....who is really ready to take on the whole world to do a job? No one, but who has the most experience.....in this case, Palin.

One thing no one wants to admit that planning to be a President takes more courage then attacking the one who will take on the job, unknown.

Liberals.....tolerance of what? Anything they can think about except making good choices in life. They believe because they have't been taught that no one should be.

Common sense dictates that boundries are necessary.

Except to liberals.

Posted by: Bernard D Kimmel | September 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

War Hero? What is a war hero? I have always thought a war hero was someone that fought the enemy,killed the enemy,saved some of his fellow comrades from some fatal charge of enemy attacks.The RNC continues to call McCain a war hero.Lets tell it like it is:He was shot down an spent 5 1/2 years in prison ,what was it he did to become a Hero?He sat in prison while the rest of his comrades were fighting and dying for the Country.He was a POW not a Hero of war.

Posted by: Ray68 | September 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of crook thieves I watched last night in the convention, all the rooted snakes of America, General Maj:Lieberman.One
night is enough to watch that the rest is about the same: VINDICATION. If you payed attention to the audience: only wasps. The central standing floor full of delegates but
when the cameras focused upstairs you could
see almost empty. Well; at last the electorate have the last word but this time
USA population won't allow to steal the vote.

Posted by: lu-51 | September 3, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Lieberman bears a degree of resentment in his heart after he was rejected by the American electorate on the Al Gore ticket. He is hell bent on preventing history from being made by any Democratic who appears to be succeeding where he failed. The Republicans aught to be careful about Lieberman he is using them for his own selfish vendetta. The stakes to high, the future is to promising to allow the likes of Lieberman to alter the cause of history. It want happen.

Posted by: The Truth | September 3, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Bernard D Kimmel - "Common sense dictates that boundries are necessary"

Common sense won't dictate anything to you. You would not recognize it. Go back to keeping your head in the sand. One day common sense will kick you in your butt and may you will see the light.

Posted by: goper | September 3, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

bob_b I only have the america that you wish to make. I love the idealized america that *we* hope to preserve from your undermining.

Posted by: david_b | September 3, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Repug-licans are the worst opportunists, using any tragedy, disaster and economic crises to forward their fascist agenda. They slice and dice the truth and only use the parts that make them look like good people to those who don't try to find the truth. Lieberman kept on saying he is a Democrat, this is a LIE!
We need to take back the country,people!
By the way, if Johnny-boy and St. Sarah win, prepare to use all your savings for any healthcare crisis you encounter because you will need it!

Posted by: babsie55 | September 3, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Liberman is a traitor. He has no judgement. He is confused and does not know where to be. Democrat to Independent to Republican. He was hanging around McCain to see if he would be given the VP position and McCain did not want to see another man that will challenge his anger. He picked a beauty queen who preaches do as I say and not as I do. You preach absenence but you did not preach it at home. Those that did not agree with your evil thoughts you fired. You do not want earmarks for the rest of the country but you want one for your little town of 6500. The republican party wants to enslave the rest of the nation. They want very few to be rich and the rest to be poor and serve them. Mccain does not even want the veterans to receive the GI bill that will give them a good college education when they come back from war. The people that actually suffer it are the enlisted personnel who joined in the first place to better their lives. We do not need another Bush like in the white house. Our country need to start mending our image in the world. Bush has destroyed this nation. McCain would get us into another war if we make the mistake to elect him. We should think hard before we make another mistake. McCains anger and the way he has acted and shown so far does not show that he would be a good president. He just want to be president and I do not think he would be in his life time. He should retire and go back to Arizona and be respected as states man. God bless America for not electing McCain. Obama is the GOD Send for this country. The world and America would be better off if we elect Obama as the next president of the United States of America.

Posted by: aches7 | September 3, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

War Hero? What is a war hero? I have always thought a war hero was someone that fought the enemy,killed the enemy,saved some of his fellow comrades from some fatal charge of enemy attacks.The RNC continues to call McCain a war hero.Lets tell it like it is:He was shot down an spent 5 1/2 years in prison ,what was it he did to become a Hero?He sat in prison while the rest of his comrades were fighting and dying for the Country.He was a POW not a Hero of war.

Posted by: gnocol@cox.net | September 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr Dobbs,

Here is a story I would like to read.

Did Obama's children attend any services when the Rev Wright was spewing out his anti-american garbage ?
What is his affiliation with William Ayers ?
Why is the current Dem Governor in Illinois under investigation for involvement with Tony Rezko who was recently convicted of influence peddling.
What are Obama's ties to Tony Rezko?

In Illinois where the gov and both house and senate controlled by the Dems here are the facts.
Governor Blagojevich has a 17% approval rate in Illinois.
Illinois is in the top five in the country in unemployment.

Perhaps an article about any of these topics would be more informative to your readers than the above.
I think it is shameful that a man with Obama's background is even being considered for the presidency by anyone.His record speaks for itself.

Posted by: SteveP | September 3, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Homophobic comments about liberals all being homosexuals are just so effective in making your point, Bernard. But of course, we are homosexual terrorists, THE VERY WORST AND SCARIEST OF ALL!
People like you who love to hate liberals when you don't understand what a liberal is are the ones we fear, because you don't look for the truth.

Posted by: socal8 | September 3, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

If this was a normal workplace McCain would be charged with sexual harassment.
Leering (eye balling) is prima facie for a charge of sexual harassment. Watch McCain checking out Sarah’s A$$
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qUVQDmLf7s

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. The Post is liberal to conservatives, and supports Obama; the liberals see the opposite. All I can say is, don't let Sean Hannity be your guide!

I think McCain either had rocks in his head or his mind was somewhere else when he made his decision. I wonder if he'll try to run the country the same way, either by the "Eeny, meeny, miney moe" method, or by horoscope.

Posted by: George Wilson | September 3, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Cathy is right. Lieberman is the Senator for Israel, and nothing else matters much to him, not party, not (our) country and certainly not truth. He's still looking for revenge on the Democrats, and he THINKS McCain is "best for Israel"... unfortunately, Lieberman looks at the "big picture" in the Middle East through Likudnik glasses, so he may well be wrong about what is "good for Israel" in the long run, too.

As things are going, the Israeli right wing will make a "two-state" solution impossible (if they have not already done that)... and that may make a ONE-state solution inevitable, as the only possible remedy remaining for the current Apartheid system. And THAT would be the end of Israel, sure enough: one-person-one-vote? The Likudniks couldn't deport Arabs fast enough to save themselves, if that happened, from an Arab-majority nation. Lieberman (and the other US Neocons who imagine themselves to be benefactors of Israel) may be cursed by getting what they appear to have been asking for: in preventing a free and independent Palestinian state, these "friends" of Israel may have condemned the "Jewish State" to absorption by a larger demographic, whose majority the previous reigning Jewish governments have alienated and outraged for generations. With "friends" like these....

Posted by: Iconoblaster | September 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Surge, smurge. We paid the Sunnis to quit killing us. How much did that cost?

Posted by: cat | September 3, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The old boy Senate club has spoken.

The main message is : Somebody really messed up this country while we were in charge, and we are the ones that will fix it. Never mind the facts.
Will Putin use the Russian army to drive the Russian army out of Georgia?
Those incredible Republicans! They set the house on fire then claim that they are the fire department.

Posted by: Glenn | September 3, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

It is truly amazing how liberals consistently bash conservatives or anyone who disagrees with them on any issue. Apparently if you don't agree with killing babies, want the country to drill for its own oil, and dont want the government to run everything including healthcare, then you are a "Bible trottling evangelical mulla." They also tend to forget that the democrats have been in control of the house and senate the past few years and have the lowest approval rating of any congress ever. They have basically done nothing but manage to follow thier leader Nancy Pelosi in undermining the American public that they are supposed to represent by going on a 5 week recess rather than vote on vital issues such as more oil drilling by the US, which by the way at least 70% of americans want. Democrats are right when they say we cant afford more of the same. We cant afford democratic congress and a democratic president who would rather sidestep issues than face them.


Posted by: Paul | September 3, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman's complete support of israel is so obvious and blatant I am beginning to think he is a mossad agent in disguise.
Kamakure

Posted by: Seamus J. Wilson | September 3, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

All this nit picking who said what or who voted for who is irrelevant, Obama has not carried the day his numbers are to low, the quiet majority will defeat him on a huge scale in Nov.

Posted by: TZAZ- Gilbert,Arizona | September 3, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

[We live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? The Democrats?]

"here's a list of a few really good men"

Roosevelt (D) Commander-in-Chief; WWII
Truman (D) Commander-In-Chief WWII; Korea
Kennedy (D) Commander-Chief-in-Chief; Viet Nam, Cuban missile crisis
Johnson (D) Commander-in-Chief; Viet Nam

History says Yes.

They're just more thoughtful about the consequences of war and are more intelligent than to base their foreign policy on a line from a movie.

What was obviously lost on you was Nicholson's character was mentally unbalanced and justified murder with that line. You, are, what is scary about right wing knuckle draggers.

Posted by: mike | September 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The Republican party always plays dirty. That is why we have Pres. Bush for 8 years. Don't allow this to happen again. It will be the same old story. Lieberman knows better and is stirring the pot full of lies. OBama/Biden 2008 will help our country. BELIEVE IT.

Posted by: Audrey | September 3, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Aw, c'mon, Theodosia1. I think McCain's mind was just wandering, and his eye had inadvertently settled on the largest near object without a confusing eye pattern, that's all! I think that Cindy is enough to keep him interested.

I support Obama, but fair is fair. He's not a complete idiot.

At least I hope so!

Posted by: George Wilson | September 3, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone really listen to (or even trust Liberman) any longer? He's jumped from Democrat, to Indy, to Republican all in the last 8 years.

Besides, he's the senator from Israel (now he just needs the money any way he can get it).

And the facts are the facts, Obama voted against troop funding because Bush didn't want to give a time line on withdrawal (which he eventually caved and did).

Everything else is nonsense.

Posted by: ssanford00 | September 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Re: McCain's wandering eyes, my he is quite a scallywag.

Posted by: cat | September 3, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

BTW, dictionary definition of LIBERAL:

1. broad-minded: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others

2. progressive politically or socially: favoring gradual reform, especially political reforms that extend democracy, distribute wealth more evenly, and protect the personal freedom of the individual

3.(of a political party or a country) believing in or allowing more personal freedom and a development towards a fairer sharing of wealth and power within society

These are terrible things, aren't they, you liberal-haters?

Posted by: camom | September 3, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Definition of conservative:
1.A person who favors maintenance of the status quo or reversion to some earlier status.

I guess if you are white, weathly and entitled, it sounds pretty good.

Posted by: cat | September 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

In the tank. Even if Obama manages to win, buyers' remorse will inevitably set in two or four years from now, as it did with the similarly hyped Carter and Clinton. Obama will have to satisfy his party's Left, and to do so he will have to push unpopular social issues on race and gender. And when Obama goes down, so will the influence of the media that soft-pedaled his negatives (like the parlous condtion of the city and state he represents, for starters, and his own unwillingness to buck the sources of the corruption and economic stagnation).

Posted by: Mark Richard | September 3, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Equal time is what I requested that my wife give to the Republicans after we watched the Democrats last week. Now that we've seen what they have to offer, we're going back to "regular scheduled prgraming". These pople just do't get it, it's not about how long some guy served his country and how this should automatically qualify him to be Presdent. To bring a washed-up has been Liberman out of the mothballs and make him the keynote speaker shows McCain is not in touch with us, the working class. These people are again rying t divert the American people from the issues, it's not about some conflict in Iraq, it's the economy stupid.

Posted by: E Dean Frederick | September 3, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

In the tank? Clinton won re-election in a landslide. Were you paying attention then?

Posted by: cat | September 3, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey George, I agree. McCain needs to think in dollars $$ before he thinks about making Cindy mad.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 3, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

In the light of day only a delusional person could say that we are better of today than we were before the Bush/Cheny regime took office. Our country has been exploited by the Republican Party as they always have done. It is time to Secure The Future For America and elect OBAMA/BIDEN.

ARE YOU BETTER OFF TODAY THAN YOU WERE & YEARS AGO////

Posted by: JOHN THE BAPTIST | September 3, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

What I can't understand is how Lieberman could support this platform. I know his feelings were hurt when he lost his primary battle and wanted to keep his seat, but how can you come out and show support for a guy that is the top of the ticket that is so different from what you have said that you stand for?

Posted by: cat | September 3, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Here are some great republican names to remember.
Teddy Roosevelt, San Juan Hill, Cuba
Eisenhower, supreme allied commander WW2
A. Lincoln,The great Emancipator
U.S. Grant, General of the Army. Victor of the civil war.
Here are some Liberal names to remember.
John Kennedy, Viet Nam, quagmire, defeat
Lindon Johnson Viet Nam, defeat
Bill Clinton, Lothario
Harry Truman, Korean War stalemate
Do some research and make your decision that's the American way.

Posted by: TZAZ- Gilbert,Arizona | September 3, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Joe Lieberman ran for Democratic VP in 2000 attests to the fact that any party can nominate an unqualified fact spinner. Regarding the Alaskan governor: while she is bright and articulate, eight years in leadership of a 6700 population town and less than two years in governorship of a state whose population is 670,000 is a disturbing qualification to be standin-in-waiting for a 72 year old cancer patient.
Even if there were no typical Republican claims like "family values" and "cleaning up corruption" and "flipflopping" echoing in our ears, we would still be confronted with the curious invalidity of McCain's VP choice.

If you needed a brain surgeon, would you choose a very bright and personable woodcarver?

Posted by: Howard Brown | September 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

[It is truly amazing how liberals consistently bash conservatives or anyone who disagrees with them on any issue.]

It is truly amazing how Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Rielly, Hannity, Colmes, Joe Lieberman, Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, Jerome Corsi,William Ayers, David Bossie, Floyd Brown, Bob Perry, Craig Shirley and every right wing knuckle dragging blogger, consistently bash democrats or anyone who disagrees with them on any issue.

You Repugs wrote the book.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I like to switch back and forth (my wife hates it) between CNN, FOXNEWS and MSNBC and see the different reactions and comments on the speeches. It is ammazing to see the parallel universe that we live in. Spinning no less.

Posted by: cat | September 3, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Liberalism is truly a mental disorder, that's way they need the government to take care of them. Vote McCain-Palin.

Posted by: TZAZ- Gilbert,Arizona | September 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Oh so Obama actually had the guts to vote No instead of his usual "present!" Come on, get over it - I have. As a lifelong democrat I am devasted by the fact that Obama, a fraud and charlatan, is our nominee. Every decision that he has made in his life has been wrong. And then he goes and picks that equal blowhard Joe Biden. What an unmitigated disaster!!

Posted by: willygoo46 | September 3, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

All these right-wing bush puppets still think that we are better off now than 8 years ago and that Bush is god. Obama was against the war from day one and McCain was one who pushed the war that is responsible for tens of thousands deaths. Almost a trillion dollars later no victory

Posted by: lahutch1 | September 3, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"As telling as the "Anbar Province Handed Over to Iraqi Control" news being buried everywhere."

Yes, troops have handed over control to the Iraqi forces but we continue to pay the "Sons of Iraq" to fight on our side as well. When will the Iraqi government assume these payments instead of the American taxpayer? What happens when the payments stop? Very short sighted view you have.

Also, Joe Lieberman is about as popular as a cold sore and I totally agree with Obama's stance to not just hand over blank checks without a clear plan, who's the real maverick?

Posted by: AverageJoe | September 3, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it. Just look around at 90% of Democrats.

They are either black, not working, or just plain losers!!!

Posted by: Tom | September 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

[Here are some great republican names to remember.]

I didn't say there weren't great Republicans.

You're just not one of them.

The fact that you can't admit that there are great Democrats is the issue. Democrats are Americans who love their country and will die to defend it just as quickly as you. Again you missed the point.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Tom. Are you in prison?

Posted by: cat | September 3, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

John McCain does war, as did his father and grandfather. Think about it.

Posted by: nr | September 3, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

All the righties whine about everything that does not go their way. Obama is left of communism...blah blah blah...Obama is a muslim...blah blah blah The media is slanted towards Obama(yea like AM radio right?) Why didn't you bring up this(this fact check is for JL not BO)....whine whine whine... blah blah blah. Grow up.

Posted by: Don Nelson | September 3, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey TZAZ you just stepped on my toes with the John Kennedy thing. I’m guessing you only know Vietnam. Here is a history lesson for you. Vietnam was a diversion. Cuba was the real threat. Do you remember the term “Cuban Missile Crisis? The Congressional heavy weights had a private meeting with Kennedy. They wanted Kennedy to put together an invasion force to go into Cuba. The so-called intelligence indicated that there were 4,500 Russian advisers in Cuba and no nuclear warheads. Kennedy ordered the Naval blockade of the Cuba. Kennedy otherwise refused to move on their invaision demands. As it turns out the so-called intelligence was wrong. There were approximately 45,000 Russian troops in Cuba and 5 nuclear warheads. That is just 90 miles from Florida. Kennedy averted a catastrophe.

Second, President Kennedy’s body was put in one style casket when the plane left Dallas, Tx. When President Kennedy arrived at Andrews AFB his body was in a different casket. His autopsy was directed by military brass who were not medical experts. His brain is mysteriously missing. There are parts of the Warren Commission Report that the public cannot have access to. Why? I wonder what is so secret; who or what is being protected or who or what government would be implicated in his assassination?

Third, why was Kennedy’s military backup commander missing from Dallas. Most often there is a military backup for the Secret Service Presidential detail?

Here endith the lesson.

Posted by: theodosia1 | September 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

[Oh so Obama actually had the guts to vote No instead of his usual "present!" Come on, get over it - I have. As a lifelong democrat I am devasted by the fact that Obama, a fraud and charlatan, is our nominee. Every decision that he has made in his life has been wrong. And then he goes and picks that equal blowhard Joe Biden. What an unmitigated disaster!!]


The web is amazing, you can be anything you want to be with a few keystrokes, even a knuckle dragging Repug, pretending to be a disaffected Democrat.

You are pathetic. Not to mention ham-fistedly transparent.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

face it. Just look around at 90% of Democrats.

They are either black, not working, or just plain losers!!!

Posted by: Tom | September 3, 2008 12:11 PM

You are why I dislike Republicans to the max. Ignorance must be bliss Tom!

Posted by: John | September 3, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Why is it a good thing for McCain to have the "courage to stand against the tide of public opinion?" Do we not elect our representatives to respond to the apparently overwhelming wishes of their constituents? Perhaps as president, McCain would ignore the opinions of others and do what he wants. Sound familiar?

Posted by: JW | September 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

belive me..Lierberman...does not know what he wants ,rigt now he is a confused man politically and do not forget trhat he has no political party he belongs..he is an Island unto himself...he thinks Mcane will help him.....in conclusion Joe Liberman is not a man of integrity period....
Obama..fire on and ready to go in jesus name..

Posted by: ken | September 3, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

WOW: From a quick read of these posts, it appears the Republican National Campaign Committee is employing a "Full Employment for Morons Whose Purpose in Life is to Write Bigoted Letters to The Washington Post Blog on Behalf of John McCain Act of 2008". I don't know what Rove pays you flakes, but the lack of creativity and nuance is appalling. If this is a tactic of the GOP to "push back" against the press which is in a "panic" because of Pixie Palin, it is pathetic and puerile! After reading this tripe, I need a shower. Get a life or grow up.

Posted by: bookriver | September 3, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

What a crock of Rebublican BS that many of you are spouting. It seems that you are delusional about what matters for our country. The Repubs offer nothing more than what Bush gave us over the past 8 years and they think they did great. You are going to see Palin and McBush crash and burn. McBush's judgement to put a "nobody" into the VP slot shows his limited judgement and his imperial ambition to become President. Palin does not even know what the VP does let alone having her a heart beat away from the Presidentcy. Ludicrous and reckless. McBush has not changed his spots....

Posted by: John | September 3, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I have been searching the internet for the definition of a war hero and surprise, surprise I cannot find a clear one. It appears to be subjective. Whether you think McCain is a hero or not is not important, that fact is whether he was the greatest member of the military or the worst, he was there and deserves our respect and appreciation. And before you jump all over me, I am not a fan of his or a fan of any of our choices. I am just saying that any man or woman who by choice or no choice, serves in the military is a hero! They give up so much and get so little in return that the least we can do is give them the respect and honor they deserve. With so many issues facing our country surly there are more important things to do than debate McCain's war status or to keep insulting each other on this website. How about a good debate on reforming the political process so that our elected officials remember that they work for, US, not their agenda or opinions, ours....

Posted by: Miami Bill | September 3, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I had a friend once say that whenever you're out camping you always want to drink the water upstream from the wildlife and cattle, never downstream because of what's in it.
Here we seem to be getting views and opinions from the "mainstream media". Well, it's not really mainstream - it's downstream because of what's in it.

Posted by: T.G. | September 3, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

We don't hate America; we just know that this isn't what our forebears envisioned. Corruption at the highest levels should never be accepted. When GW nominated Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court with absolutely no experience; everyone should have been outraged. However sheep never become outraged they just say people Hate America. Expecting more from your government officials is never hate.

Posted by: fmlndn71 | September 3, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Looks as if I really found a bunch of the 90%
I mentioned. Especially JOHN.

Posted by: Tom | September 3, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

[Liberalism is truly a mental disorder, that's way they need the government to take care of them.]

Judging from you're astute, deftly uttered insults, clever sarcasim, and penetrating insight you would certainly have first hand knowledge about diminished mental capacity.

And by the way does your caretaker know where you are? Its time for meds.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

President Obama has a great record with regards for the troops and veterans, that's why he leads in all the veteran polls. Unlike McSame he has not voted on any bill that helps the troops and their families as well as veterans. Just take the last GI bill that was passed by Congress and where was McSame - he opposed the vote than he and Bush tried to take credit for its passing.

The other thing did you guys noticed that the GOP audience is 99.9% white? This party has no diversity and the red color just reminds me of communism. The GOP claims that it is a party of reform, but no diversity. Wow!

Posted by: ob08 | September 3, 2008 10:36 AM
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First off, he is not the President right now so calling him the President is just showing off your ignorance. He is a Senator.

Secondly, John McCain has about double the support (slightly less) in the military veteran polls so I don't know where you pull that fact from. It was probably made up.

Third, the GOP audience was definitely not 99.9% white. Again, you're making up facts from thin air. I saw many different people from diverse backgrounds there, despite watching it on CNN which obviously biased the entire convention towards the liberal left.

We need a President who isn't just a great rhetor. I will admit that Obama is probably the best speaker we've seen in a long time. But at the end of the day, talk is cheap and he is nowhere close to being ready to lead. The Democratic ticket is backwards. You don't put your least experienced person on the top, that's just stupid.

Posted by: Tim | September 3, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I follow your argument and am able to comprehend your contention. Not many Republicans expressing their disgust in the postings seem to understand your very good argument. Heed the proverb,"There is none so blind as he that would not see".

Mr.Lieberman has made a choice in changing his loyality and accord him that right . Anyway, he was deadwood that was being carried away by the Republican tide.Why was he not chosen as VP by his good friend,Sen. McCain? There is belief that
McCain was confronted with a dilemma: Chooce Lieberman and endure the wrath of Rush Limbaugh, the vacuous and vicious windbag.Remember the threat by conservatives not to vote for McCain because of his stance on some "core values"
held sacrosanct by this group? Well, Limbaugh the supreme model for conservatism
has a significant following from this group. What better way to appease this talk
show host by McCain so that he would get the conservative support! Yet,earlier Limbaugh expressed his visceral hatred for
McCain many times.

A significant number of Republicans may not
like McCain as their candidate.But,eventually they would cast their vote for him.Americans have endured eight years under Republican Administration.What a mess! Yes, Mr Leberman soldiers are coming home with honour.Have you considered the 4000+ American lives and several thousand Iraqi
lives that perished because of the alacrity
of American president to invade Iraq needlessly.Do not blame the Democrats for their complicity in approval of the invasion as the president and his elite
group failed to present the truth.

Obama, America hath need of thee this hour!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

BRAVO to you T.G. and your friend. Brilliantly said.

The things being said on this website are very un-American (the great melting pot that we are suppose to be, accepting of all, etc) however the fact that they can be said is very American. But in my opinion it is just a continuation of what the people running for office are doing....discussing everything but what is important, the issues facing our nation and people....believe me when I say I have first hand knowledge of the un-employment problem and the housing crisis and the challenges of national security (or appearance of security) the education crisis, how difficult it is to raise children right now, and many of the other issues facing our country. People it is time to have a real debate on what is important to us as a nation and to work to resolve the issues. this begins by all of us being engaged in the process by voting and then staying involved after whoever wins any elected office does what we the people want done....stop the smoke and mirrors and get serious about what is facing us and above all be a part of the solution not a continuing part of the problem, after all there is plenty of blame to go around for everyone from the people who do not vote to the politicians who don't do what we elected them to do....

Posted by: Miami Bill | September 3, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the truth is sending these Repugs into a tizzy.

what else is new?

Posted by: 08ama | September 3, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I may have missed the one, but reading through all of this posts, I can't find a single post coming from the "conservative" side that has any content. Lot's of hate and anger though.

I understand. It's getting harder and harder to defend your position, and we all know that some people would rather die than think. Just scan through, pick a couple of facts layed out by the progressives here- look them up (I know, checking the facts is just too much work for you). Then see if you have anything intelligent to say.

Progressives stand for progress. Got a problem with that? Liberals stand for our children's future. Got a problem with that? We are defending your country for you while you go off on us about it. You don't like abortion? Neither do we. Let's come up with a solution that works. Shooting the doctors that perform that procedure hasn't seemed to work. Are you in favor of shipping your jobs overseas? Of offering tax havens to the big corporations so that you have to make up the difference? Do you actually like that fact that Bush/Cheney have lied to you for their own ends? Is this what you stand for?

You want to trash me for trying to protect your children from Mercury poisoning? You want to call me an American Hater for trying to defend our constitution? You want to call me godless for wanting a strong and capable military?

Yow!

Posted by: fnord | September 3, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama is oulling away in latest polls..

House and Senate seat polls showing Democrats with clear overwhelming leads ..

Bush's approval rating at 28% ... according to FOX NEWS !!!!

Why does America hate the GOP so much ?

How appropriate it is that they are having their convention oh so close to those bathroom stalls at the Minn/STP airport.

Posted by: 08ama | September 3, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Scrolling through all of these comments, I have to say that I am disappointed in a lot of you being unable to read what is written. This is an excerpt from a column that runs in the St. Petersburg Times and the Congressional Quarterly.

I am sick of all of you throwing “liberal” and “conservative” around as insults; this election will not be decided by you, it will be decided by those who have not voted in the last 8 years – we have been almost equally divided, screaming at each other for about a decade now. It is all this screaming and yelling that makes people not want to be a part of the process.

No one has the right to say that everyone who is voting for Obama hates America; that is like saying everyone who votes for McCain is a fascist.

There is nothing more American than VOTING.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMENTS AND OR ARGUEMENTS RAISED BY THE MCCAIN CAMP IS FALSE AND UNJUST. I THINK THAT MCCAIN IS GRASPING AT STRAWS AND TRYING HIS HARDEST TO DISCREDIT OBAMA ANY WAY POSSIBLE. FOR ONE MCCAIN MADE AN ERROR IN CHOICE FOR HIS VICE PRESIDENT CANIDIATE.PALIN HAS 17 YEAR OLD PREGANT DAUGHTER IF PALIN CANNOT CONTROL HER HOME~ HOW WILL SHE BE ABLE TO CONTROL A COUNTRY AND RUN A NATION.PALIN VIEWS ON ABORTION IS FAR FETCH IN COMPARSION TO THE AVERAGE REPUBLICAN VIEW ON THIS TOPIC. HER FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE IS FOGGY.MCCAIN IS HOPING TO GET THE 17 MILLION CLINTON VOTES~ IT WAS A GOOD STRATEGY BUT NOT WELL TOUGHT OUT. AS FAR AS LIBERMAN HIS VIEWS AND OPINIONSHOULD BE DISCREDITED BECAUSE HE HAS FLIPPED FLOPPED.FIRST HE IS A DEMOCRAT, AND NOW AN INDEPENDENT SPEAKING AT A REPUBLICAN CONVENTION. LIBERMAN DOES NOT KNOW WHAT PARTY TO IDENTIFY WITH~ HE MAY BE GOING CENIAL.I THINK THE "COUNTRY FIRST" SLOGAN IS A PIPE DREAM THAT MCCAIN IS TRYING TO SELL. TRUE HE FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY, BUT HE HAS DONE NOTHING TO SAVE AND BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW. WE NEED CHANGE AND WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE HERE AND NOW....NOT MCCAINS PAST WAR PORTFILO AND WHAT HAS HE DONE IN THE PAST TO SUPPORT BUSH. WE NEED THE BUSH’S OUT OFFICE AND THE BUSH MENTALLY GONE OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE!

Posted by: T.CONLEY | September 3, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Mike A. said:

"And I don't need to be lectured on "loving America" by the same self-loving conservatives who opposed every advance in human rights in this country for the last 70 years. You have destroyed this economy every time you've gotten your hands on it, though Democrats always clean up your messes. You have killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of innocents around the world. You have beaten, dragged, lynched, and defamed everyone who looks different from you or disagrees with you."

Bravo! Well said!

Republicans and their damn rhetoric of fear-mongering, aggression, and bigoted hate. I'm an American and remember when America was a great place to live. Now it's a lot worse because of the likes of George Bush, Cheney, and their cronyism-addicted sycophants.

Bush spoke of "regime change" during his tenure...he was right! We need to upend the ultra-conservative regime here in America and bring back what made this country great!

Posted by: Kaz | September 3, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Why anyone would pay attention to this sanctimonious, self-serving turncoat is beyond me. He has already sold his soul to the bankers and insurance companies and to the Israel-First crowd.

Posted by: OldDoc | September 3, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

[You are why I dislike Republicans to the max. Ignorance must be bliss Tom!]

John, trust me most of these rabid hate spewing ideologues are not Republicans. They are just so stupid they think they are, they have given true Republicans a black eye by hijacking the name and gutting the substance of republicanism, thanks to thugs like Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay and a bunch of extreme right wing American Ayatollahs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Senator Liebermann, a man without honor or guts. He has proven he chooses self before country. He supports Republicans while remaining a Democrat just so he can keep the privilege that comes with his position as a Democratic Committee Chairperson in the Senate.

What a gutless piece of work he has proven to be. No one with any sense of honor or intelligence takes anything he says seriously.

Liebermann a man without character or honor supporting another man (McCain) who has lost all of his character and honor trying to gain the presidency.

McCain wreckless and ill-tempered. McCain lacking in judgement on going to war in Iraq, on not sending enough of our troops to Afghanistan and on picking a VP who clearly shows us "The Empress has no Clothes".

McCain is 72 years old, has had four bouts with cancer and has now brought the issue of a heart beat away from the presidency front and center. McCain made his first executive decision and FAILED!

No McCain / Palin in 2008!

Posted by: Vgirl1 | September 3, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

BOB,

Do you care to list some of these half-truth's and lies, or are you just going to leave it at your word. I watched the convention, and can't think of any lies or half truths. Or are you a typical Bush/McSame apologetic?

Posted by: Rick | September 3, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

So now that we all agree that every political party has and has had their share of boneheads in various offices of our great country....my question to everyone is - HOW DO WE FIX THE SYSTEM? As the Board of Directors of the United States of America it is up to us to hire the right person for all of the important positions in our country. What are the job descriptions for these positions? What are the quailifications that are important to us? What are (to quote the government job websites) the knowledge, skills, and abilities we are seeking in the people who hold public offices? How do we get the best quailified people in our nation to apply for these jobs? What makes them best quailified?

We can blog until we are blue in the face and many of us are still going to be unhappy with the results because there will only be one person hired to be president. I think the best thing we can do is fix the process so that at the very least we can look at the candidates (all of whom meet our stated quailifications) as individuals and hire based on their performance and not what any particular party stands for or doesn't stand for....that should not matter as much as hiring someone who is going to do our bidding and work in our best interest....let us united if for no other reason to fix what we need to fix because this name calling is very childish and that is not what made us great as a country.

Posted by: Miami Bill | September 3, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: zxv82h3l1i | September 3, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Field dressing a moose? That's the main quality I look for in a commander-in-chief. Don't you?

Posted by: Lisa C | September 3, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Leftist "thinking" is laughable. Obama so wanted to force Bush to a precipitous withdrawal that he was willing to defund the troops, even while Bush, as Commander In Chief, was unwilling to make any such precipitous withdrawal. Talk about Party of Defeat!!!

Posted by: Dlanor | September 3, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

TZAZ:

Not that these comparisons mean anything, but can I assume you'd take Richard Nixon-- tried to destroy the constituion for his own political benefit over FDR-- ended the great depression and won WWII?

Posted by: reg | September 3, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

LISA C.
DO YOU HAVE A CLUE? BUSH DECISION TO LEAVE THE TROOPS OVERSEAS WAS HASTY THINKING ON HIS PART AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS FAILED THIS COUNTRY AND OUR TROOPS

Posted by: T.CONLEY | September 3, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

[There were also others who voted no or dissented but liberals being liberals must attack someone. They are like terrorists, if there is no one to attack then they will attack from within. Sounds like a lot of Homosexuals.]

The fact that you accuse liberals of attacking without justification because they are liberals, and use the term as a pejorative and then link that thought to them being terrorists and ergo they must be homosexual is a brilliant use of sophistry, that only proves you are mentally incapable of a serious debate.

I believe the term moron would apply in your case, but that would be an insult to morons.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

What seems like bias towards democrats is actually just truth and fact, its too bad the republicans don't have some facts on their side, then honest authors would look biased towards republicans.

Posted by: Patrick | September 3, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Joe Lieberman is a scumbag who openly supports Israel attacking Iran as well is a staunch supporter of AIPAC. This man will side with who ever he feels will give him the attention. Best when he runs in Connecticut again that they vote him out and turn him out to pasture where he belongs.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

"This post is overwhelmingly favored and biased toward Obama"

Sucks when the truth has a liberal bias, eh?

Posted by: mla | September 3, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

@Patrick
I agree, the only thing deceitful is my previous comment. I did some research and have decided that the author of this article was being honest and unbiased.

Posted by: Libby | September 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

[afewgoodmen]

You have watched that movie one too many times. It has impeded your brain function so drastically, that it's no longer able to sustain intelligent life.

Its time someone pulls your plug. Moron.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

It is good to be a good friend, but to lie for a good friend is a different question. I don't think the dems and independents and the honest republicans will trust or want Joe L. to speak for them, it wouldn't mean anything now.

Posted by: jeannie | September 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse


How many heads has senator lieberman 'the snake'? time to review his 9/11 designs.
The gentleman has no problem being a public backstabber. He represents the warmongering
hysteria of oldfashion politics in Israel,
His loyalty to zionism must be scrutinized.
Israel needs from the US inspiring new alternatives to deal with their issues
and dark dark shadows. Time to move to tel-aviv?

Posted by: bluebird | September 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

[Field dressing a moose? That's the main quality I look for in a commander-in-chief. Don't you?]

Its amazing this nation has survived this long without a V.P, that has that skill set occupying the White House.

Thank God we been saved by the Repugs once again. Thank you Repugs.

Thank god you've saved us from ourselves once again with your superior ability to polish turds and serve them with a straight face.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I read this very disturbing post by a "Vince P - Chicago" posted September 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 am at www.alan.com. Nobody in mainstream media is asking the tough questions though. We've heard nothing about this. Maybe we will soon.Here's the post by Vince P. "The relationship between Barack Obama and unrepentant terrorist William Ayers appears to be even more involved than we already knew. Papers just released by the University of Illinois-Chicago, after much public pressure, show that Obama and Ayers collaborated as members of the board of the Woods Fund to funnel money to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ and the Arab American Action Network - founded by Rashid Khaldidi who supported Yassir Arafat and the Palestinians against Israel. In fact, by 1997 Obama and Ayers were collaborators on a far more significant level. They sat together for several years on the board of the Woods Fund, a left-wing Chicago charitable organization. There, they doled out tens of thousands of dollars to such beneficiaries as the Trinity Church (where Obama was a longtime member and where another Obama mentor, Jeremiah Wright, preached a radical, anti-American brand of Black Liberation Theology) and the Arab American Action Network (co-founded by Rashid Khalidi, a Yasser Arafat apologist who has supported attacks against Israel and now directs Columbia University’s notorious Middle East Institute, founded by Edward Said)."We should all care about our country FIRST, not our political party. May God have mercy on us all.
Posted by:
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Mark As Violation

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, What's the matter? Not enough guts to sign your name! A true left wing pinhead.

I guess you think Obama isn't a scumbag, considering the company he keeps.

Posted by: Tom | September 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

This is what the constitution says your qualifications need to be to be either president or vice president:

A Presidential candidate must:
• be a natural-born citizen of the United States;
• be at least thirty-five years old;
• have been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years.

Additionally, the Constitution disqualifies some people from the Presidency. Under Article One of the United States Constitution, the Senate has the option, upon conviction, of disqualifying impeached individuals from holding other federal offices, including the Presidency. Under the, no one can be elected President more than twice. The also specifies that anyone who serves more than two years as President or Acting President, of a term for which someone else was elected President, can only be elected President once. Under the Twelfth Amendment a person who is no longer eligible to be President may not be Vice President either.

To serve as Vice President, an individual must:
• be a natural born U.S. citizen
• not be younger than 35
• have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years
• not be "constitutionally ineligible to the office of President"

Shouldn't we require a little more? I would love to get a job that only requires that of me in order to apply for it....and hey the pay and benefits are not that bad either....

Posted by: Miami Bill | September 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what all the fuss is about regarding McCain's and Palin's credentials. They are first rate.
McCain being the son of an Admiral and the Grandson of an Admiral went to the Naval Academy. Due to the fact that his father and grandfather were both active Admirals I'm sure he was under extreme pressure to do well and that's the reason he finished 894th out of a class of 899.
He only wrecked 4 airplanes while in Navy Flight School. Isn't that about average?
And Palin. C'mon people, she's definitely ready to be president. I don't know how she managed it but she was able to get into the University of Idaho Journalism School. It's a known fact you can't get into the Univ of Idaho unless your dad is a Congressman or donates enough money to build a new dormitory.
I can tell you one thing for sure it's a heck of a lot harder for a White Girl with Connections to get into the University of Idaho than it would be for some Poor Black Kid to get into Columbia and Harvard Law School. That's a no brainer....
And then she was the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. How could that not prepare you to be Vice President and one heart beat away from President? Why Wasilla is bigger than most high schools in this country! So what if she ran a budget deficit every year she was mayor. Its the American way.......heck, between 1980 and 2008 there have only been 5 years that this country has had a budget surplus....1996 thru 2001. So, no big deal there.
But if you want experience lets talk about her heading the Alaska Oil Conservation Commission. There she headed up the entire department of 22 people. WOW!!!!! I wasn't sure how she managed such a powerful and stressful position so I went to their website and found the 22 people listed and 10 of them had the title of administrative assistant. See, she knows how to spread around authority. That's very presidential.
And can you believe those crazy democrats? Trotting out Obama's Law Degrees from Columbia and Harvard. And bragging how he was the President of the Harvard Law Review, his 10 years teaching constitutional law at the Univ of Chicago Law School, his 8 years in the Illinois State Senate and his 4 years and a United States Senator. Bah! Just because this nation was built on a constitution of laws doesn't mean squat.
And Biden. C'mon! His resume is a joke. A degree in Political Science from the University of Delaware, a Doctorate of Law from Syracuse University, 36 years as a United States Senator of which 12 years were as Chairman of the United States House Judiciary Committee. He then took over as Chairman of the United States Foreign Affairs Committee for the past 11 years.
Isn't it obvious that OBAMA AND BIDEN no credentials to be president or vice-president. You'd have to be an idiot to think otherwise........
I mean the only thing worse would be if they had a pregnant un-wed underage teenage little girl or a spouse that belonged to a party that wants Alaska to succeed from the United States. If that were the case you would have to be a complete idiot to vote for them.

Posted by: Larry Linn | September 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman is a master. At half-truths, innuendo, nepotism, back door power manipulation and downright deception. This should come as a surprise to no-one.

Posted by: HooYa | September 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

And the beat goes on.... just take some time to read some of these comments and you'll swear the Repugnants are all lying under some garbage heap simmering and putrifying into a rotting slime that will ooze into the soil and keep on smelling for years, just as the Gang of Perniciousness (GOP) has been doing for the last 12 years. For those of that slime, there is no repentance or confession that will take away the sins you've perpetrated onto the American people; Abramoff, DeLay, Gramm, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Norquist, Reed, Gonsales, Goodling, Mukasey, Ley, Stevens, Gingrich, Casey, Keating Five (McCain), Watergate, Nixon, Agnew, Mitchell, Justice Dept, Haliburton, Enron, Bear Sterns, Iraq, deregulation, poverty, illegitimate children, Alaskan oil money, Florida 2000, Lieberman, and CORRUPTION AT IT'S BEST. Nuff said?

Posted by: ironman | September 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

TOP TEN CAREER ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF SARAH PALIN

1.Convinced Russians to invade that other Georgia place instead of Alaska.
2.Promoted abstinence-only sexual ed for other families.
3.By Executive Order- replaced Happy Meals with McMoose Burgers.
4.Taught her kids how to catch and skin polar bears with only a sharp stick.
5.Thought she was joining Jack LaLane's wrestling tour when McCain called.
6.Laid an oil pipeline under the Bridge To Nowhere.
7.Worked to rid Alaskan government of earmarks, pork barrels and back bacon.
8.Once performed a reverse wedgie on Michael Jordan during a basketball game.
9.Wrestled five grizzlies at once- without any makeup.
10.Thought conservatives were people who cooked their meat first.

Posted by: raj towne | September 3, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

[Miami Bill]

It is paramount that people in this country stop aligning themselves with narrow ideological dogma's irrelevant to the real issues facing this country.

The Grand Old Republican Party (the party of Lincoln, the party I once respected) no longer exists it was hijacked by intolerant, hate mongering, ideologues that have been intent on gutting the Constitution by manufacturing wedge issues that distract us from a real discussion.

For example: Gay rights are unalienable they cannot be abridged. Unless you believe that that some men and women are created more equal than others. Pray in school violates the separation of church and state, burning the flag while repugnant to me, is protected under the Constitution's first amendment, warrant-less wire taps are unConstitutional unless you believe the fourth amendment of the Constitution is irrelevant as GWB does. I won't even go into the suspension of the writ of habeas corpus, rendition and torture advocated by no less than the Vice President.

This sustained assault on the Constitution by the Neocons is the primary reason I can no longer support the republican brand as it now exists.

I am horrified by the complete ignorance of the new right as to what the Constitution says and their absolute rejection of it, wrapped in their rabid twisted sense of patriotism.

They are blinded by their own fanatical self-righteousness. And what scares me is McCain has now embraced the radical right, he once deplored, employed the radical right attack dogs that promote these issues and got Bush elected, that he once rejected, just to get himself elected. Character? Judgment? Integrity? Maverick? Sorry don't buy it anymore.

The truth is it doesn't matter one bit wether or not Joe lied, the erosion of the Constitution is the real issue, the only important issue. Everything else is B.S.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Sooner or later, the republicans will give up on the "Obama voted against funding for our troops" line of argument, because it is either untrue or it is also true of McCain.
The real point of disagreement between them is the so-called surge. McCain points to the lessening of violence in Iraq as evidence of its success. Obama believes that the war in Iraq cannot not redeemed by the temporary gains made through increased troop levels. The war was a mistake at the outset, it remains a mistake today, and the surge does not change that fact one iota. It is striking that McCain no longer talks about the merits of the war, only the merits of the surge and his brilliance in predicting its success. But how many more surges will be necessary to "win" the war in Iraq, and what exactly would that look like? What is the strategic vision, and how much more will it cost? Are we sending our men and women into harms way for any discernible purpose? I would like to hear from the republican nominee on that.

Posted by: lesnyc | September 3, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL, Joe Lieberman ask that the viewing audience trust him. A traitor, back stabbing, joker looking idiot.

Posted by: Lewania | September 3, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

It's a speech made at a republic convention. Of course it's all false information. I don't think they know what the truth is anymore.

Posted by: William | September 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Reading these comments are disturbing, so much drama created by media and politcal machines to create dissention. It's irresponsible and non-truths should be illegal. Do you honestly believe everything you read?

Both candidates are not much of a choice for either party, but that is who 'ALL' Americans are now stuck with to lead them. Are you happy with it?

It's simple people, regardless of your party, be responsible in researching the candidates and vote your conscience. It is a priviledge.

Crossing party lines should not be an issue as long as that statement is genuine. Why should anyone be condemed for having an opinion that is differnt from yours? I dont see that it should. Everyone should be treated with respect, even if that persons opinion does not match your own. Now do you really think youre more intelligent? I hope not.

We are all Americans who should feel blessed and proud to be born in such a great country, regardless of each parties past misdeeds. We can all learn from the past. But do we need to keep beating each other with it?

Americans have much in common, most importantly is family, and the ability to create a positive future for each one we love. Do you really think we are so different from each other?

Change will take all of us. It is imminent, hopefully it wont take another 911 or worse for each American to wake up, and come together as one. Would YOU abandon your own fortune hunting, to become actively involved for your future generations? Well, would you?

Start by standing up & wave your 'AMERICAN' flag proudly or...
live elsewhere.

Posted by: RLC_CA | September 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

This article is barely true. In fact, the purpose of the time-table was always a way to defund the war effort. After 2006 the majority party could have always put forth a bill to defund the troops and have an up or down vote. They didn't. They could have had an up-or-down vote on troop withdraw. Again, they didn't.

Posted by: DRL | September 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Don't ya'll forget that I raised taxes while Mayor of Wassila so I could pay for a super-important hockey rink that my kids could play in.

If McCain and I get elected, you can expect tax raises nation wide to pay for new sports facilities! Clearly my experience as tax-raiser of Wasilla proves that I have what it takes to be VP.

Posted by: Palin | September 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Joe is an A..H.... Need I say more.

Posted by: Col Royster | September 3, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

@RLC_CA
It is hard to unite with Republicans when they want to take rights and resources away from honest hardworking Americans, because they are too poor, or too brown, or just too different.

Its hard to unite with people who want to send our children to fight wars whose purpose is to keep the stocks of companies high; whose cost in innocent civilian lives numbers in the hundreds of thousands...perhaps more.

The agenda of neocons and evangelicals in this country is morally abhorrent, I could no more unite with them than I could with Joseph Stalin.

Posted by: Patrick | September 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

A man on his Harley was riding along a California beach when suddenly the sky clouded above his head and, in a booming voice, the Lord said, 'Because you have tried to be faithful to me in all ways, I will
grant you one wish.'


The biker pulled over and said, 'Build a bridge to Hawaii so I can ride over anytime I want.'


The Lord said, 'Your request is materialistic, think of the enormous challenges for that kind of undertaking; the supports required reaching the bottom of the Pacific and the concrete and steel it would take! It will nearly exhaust several natural resources. I can do it, but it is hard for me to justify your desire for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of something that could possibly help mankind.'

The biker thought about it for a long time. Finally, he said, 'Lord, I wish that I and all men could understand women; I want to know how she feels inside, what she's thinking when she gives me the silent
treatment, why she cries, what she means when she says nothing's wrong, why she snaps and complains when I try to help, and how ! I can make a woman truly happy.'


The Lord replied, 'You want two lanes or four on that bridge?

Sorry thought everbody could use a break!

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, that was in the bill. It cuts both ways. Obama takes credit for one good part of the bills he votes for, disregarding all the pork and bad parts.

Posted by: Katherine | September 3, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Dumb joke. You know when a woman is mad and you know why. Say dumb things and that will get on her nerves.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow! This is the lowest I have seen any party go in modern times.

Lieberman has bad timing.
I think his political life is just about up!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Let's face it. Just look around at 90% of Democrats.
They are either black, not working, or just plain losers!!!"

I'm a white business owner and Veteran in my 40's. Married for 22 years with 2 children whom I hope will be Democrats or at the minimum Libertarians. Republicans seem only to care about themselves,those like them and the all mighty buck. Intolerance seems to be the party platform, which to me seems mighty unchristian as does the "my way or the highway" attitude. I guess all the compassionate Christians have moved to the Democratic party.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

SPEECH (by anyone) FOR THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION

Good evening. America is great. [applause] This is the greatest country in the world. [applause]
We have the most powerful military in the world. [applause] We have the most powerful military in the history of mankind. [applause] […shouting over the applause] We have the most powerful military in the universe. [raucous applause]
And we never say we were wrong like those weaklings, the Democrats. Because we are always right. [applause] We never have to apologize for America like some people running for president (oops, sorry this was an actual quote from Fred Thompson… OK a paraphrase).
Yes, we are always right. [applause] And we will use our most powerful military to annihilate anyone who says we are wrong, or ever were wrong, about anything! [applause] Support the troops!!! [wild applause]
So… we are strong, great – I mean, the greatest, ever, really – and we are right. Always. [applause]
Oh… and God is on our side. And against everyone else. He is OUR God. Not theirs.
God bless America!!! [thunderous applause erupts into standing ovation].

Posted by: AdrickHenry | September 3, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

One doesn't have to be "for Obama" in a tank or otherwise, to see the truth.
For some reason, Republicans seem to be allergic to the truth unless it helps to push their agenda forward. And their agenda for the last 8 years has been to pad the pockets of their cronies (Gonzales, Brownie..I needn't go on), big business, upon the boards of which they have all sat (Cheney,Bush,Rice), and themselves. They could care less about this country.
OBAMA is the real thing. Period. Whether you like his ethnicity or even his politics, at least he isn't lying to the American People. And THAT is a change I believe in!!

Posted by: CrazyMe | September 3, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I read the comments and see the words liberal and conservative vilified by this one and that one. It seems to me that the terms are applied in the wrong direction. A conservative would be one who doesn't want to go into debt. One who makes sure she/he has the financial where-with-all to pay for all that needs to be done. A liberal would be one who just spends without worrying about paying. Which label fits the current administration? Go China, you will own us!!!

Posted by: Bud | September 3, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Of course Lieberman is going to try to blame Obama for everything. But to get an idea of how Lieberman works, listen to how he praises Palin, who stands for everything he has said he does not stand for! Lieberman is an opportunist, a politician, and he is not known for truth-telling. He hopes McCain will win so he will have a seat on the cabinet.

Posted by: AZrebel | September 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

T Conley:

WTF. My comment was in response to Fred Thompson's "field dressing" remark last night. What were you reading?

Posted by: Lisa C | September 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Palin makes fun of a political opponent for getting cancer:
http://www.adn.com/opinion/comment/story/295464.html

Posted by: ouch! | September 3, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

[Dumb joke. You know when a woman is mad and you know why. Say dumb things and that will get on her nerves.]

Funny thing is a woman sent it to me. She must be dumb for thinking it was funny.

But it all depends on your perspective right.

Kinda like this pointless debate.

Really who cares if Joe lied.
What's the difference? No one died right?
Reality is, everyone lies at sometime or other.

Its just that when people in office lie innocent people die. And that's never alright. Kinda like the decide-in-chief and his supporter McPain in their war to control the mid-east oil fields.

I don't know which is dumber you or the joke you support.

Posted by: Mike | September 3, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Traitor Joe never surprises me. Too bad for McCain he is not on the ticket.

Posted by: deb | September 3, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Joe Lieberman is what he is---an unwanted dinner guest. The republican base did not want him as McCain running mate...so now he is kissing azz to be acceptable to them, which he never will be.....The democrat party threw him out a couple of years ago and when his azz kissing didn't get him anywhere with the democrats (just look at him voting record...95% in line with the democrats)he came begging to the republicans....
Joe, nobody is buying slime these days.

Posted by: Worldweary1 | September 3, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse


JOE'S ALWAYS FOR "MORE AMERICAN BLOOD & MONEY FOR ISRAEL

Posted by: SAME SONG | September 3, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have a twisted view of the truth. Today the Republican women giving a press conference said the Obama campaign called Palin a Nazi sympathizer - not true either. The campaign pointed out that she had been a supporter of Pat Buccanan who had been described by some Jews as a Nazi sympathizer. Big difference.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 3, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

SteveP
Its sounds like you have been listening to that ever boring Sean Hannity broken Record Lew Ayers ,cling to their guns ,Rev Wright blah ,blah ,blah boring

Posted by: Steve | September 3, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The facts don't lie. It's true, the Republicans just don't get it! Contrary to what Rick Davis (McCain's Campaign manager believes) voters DO CARE about the issues and yes, credibility does matter. "Lie"-berman, by stating this blatant lie has demonstrated he lacks credibility.

Posted by: adelle | September 3, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

This election is over = McCain/Palin 08'. Funny thing is the dems had it in the bag. If only they picked Clinton, she would've been 20 points ahead right now. Lucky for us.

If all you idiots are gonna pick on Liberman at the RNC. Lets not forget you nut jobs pulled out the biggest coward/killer in the world for your DNC. Mr. leave girl in upside down car in 5 ft. of water to die, piece of sh** Ted Kennedy. Also like a bunch of clapping monkeys, gave him a standing ovation.

Wow 40 years as a Democrat and anyone can be a savior. He's the heart and soul of the Democrat party. That's a party I dont't want to be part of.

Posted by: steeldragon | September 3, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

What a weird picture is the Republican Convention. We get to see the chameleon Lieberman. We see and hear all those Republican delegates lying through their teeth singing the praises to the famous Palin. We are given the sight of all those white people who claim to be the true Americans. And we will soon be happy to see the great American Odd Couple: Frail McCain and vivacious Sarah Palin. Overwhelming!!

Posted by: cafrimo | September 3, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't necessary to go beyond Mike A...his comment covers all the points I would have made. This current "Republican" party is nothing like the party that existed in my parent's era and it is sickening to observe the nasty opinions and the negative comments. The article made a very valid point...deal with it!!

Posted by: DeejTu | September 3, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I feel really sorry for those that truly believe this county can withstand four more years of what we have had for the last eight. Look around people, our country is in trouble. John McCain is running as the Republician Party Candidate not the "Maverick Party". We have had a Republican administration in control for the last eight years. Who should care what your beliefs or ideology might be when our great country is hurting today. Something has to change. I just can't believe or trust another four years of Republican rule will even begin to make the changes required to save the soul of our United States of America. I am a registered Independent and still have some doubt about Obama/Biden. But, I know one thing and that is absolutely NO MORE of Republican rule! ENOUGH!!!

Posted by: Amazed | September 3, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

So, let's see now, "barely true", like in being pregnant?like Pres.Clinton's version of what is and is not a sex act? Like in Obama's very own word's relating to the Christian White's in America...You Socialist Liberal Democrats have a real problem figuring out what you think, what you believe, and what you say about any of the above. B/S is B/S Ya' got to get a handle on it...You answer a question about Obama's lack of everything except, his ability to be "EASY TO HANDLE" by the power brokers in the DNC, by evasion,lies, half-truths...and pretty much a good line of B/S...un supported by anyone except his "Writers & Handlers".. Sorry....it's easy to see the choices this election year...you Socialist Liberal Democrats have pretty much removed yourselves from the issues with simple B/S.
And this clown who gets to voice his opinion of Sen Lieberman's statements has no ground to set foot on in his article here, Barely true stands as TRUE....Barely a lie is still a lie....Pres. Clinton's version of real life mirrors Obama's,,,and Vise-Versa..a pair made in Heaven, nearly identical twins....are you sure they dn't both have the same Father, certainly the same up-bringing..
"And The Beat Goes On"

Posted by: One of the Sheep | September 3, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Loranzo Riccardo writes:

"Obama is bad news for israel(Troops pull out). Obama is bad news for Mexico (NAFTA),
Obama is bad news for Canada(NAFTA).Obama is bad news for real middle class(his middle class = people making less than $90,000) Bad news for Blacks (reverse discrimination"

Isn't it ironic? The neocons are always falsely accusing those who disagree with them for not putting America first, yet this person is complaining because Obama opposes NAFTA which will hurt the Canadadien and Mexican economy, but will help American's keep good paying jobs. Can we say hipocrite?

Posted by: Matt | September 3, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman has passed himself off as a religiously moral person. HYPOCRITE! That is all I can say about him. To support McCain is his choice. To lie about Obama's record and to embrace Palin who is a supposed polar opposite is to make a mockery of Lieberman's past. He is a tragic figure, who has permitted vanity and personal pique to get the better of him. The people of Connecticut deserve better and should immediately work for a recall.

Posted by: chochem | September 3, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Just another case of "I voted against the troops before I voted for the troops". Now suddenly four years later the media is intent on pointing out the disengenuousness of this kind of attack.

I guess Barack! would thank you but I'm pretty sure John Kerry's not impressed.

Posted by: Paul | September 3, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse


It surprising to her that Obama actually voted for something...

He has 100+ present votes in Illinois and way to many in washington.

He has not courage to vote most of the time.

Posted by: dean | September 3, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Judging from the hysterical tenor of so many of these comments, many folks don't know what a fact is.

Facts is facts, people. Lawmaking is complicated, seldom cut-and-dried. Convention and campaign rhetoric requires oversimplification -- but at least it could err on the side of the truth.

Please shut up about how liberals hate America. That's not a fact, it's hate-speech itself. Spouting that stuff just makes you look like a very scary idiot.

If you want to lose your civil liberties, see real wages stagnate for another four years, and pour good money after bad into poorly strategized wars, vote for McCain.

Maybe it has to get still worse around here before folks will be ready to do what it takes to make it get better.

I hope not.

Posted by: Leah Davidson | September 3, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Mike A. for stating so well what is so obviously true. Conservatives have stood in the way of every change that our country has made to insure equal rights for everyone and have called those of us who object to unnecessary wars that claim thousands of innocent lives unpatriotic. I'm really tired of it and I think many independent voters are too. I will be so proud of our country when Barack Obama becomes our next president (no I'm not black)

Posted by: Rob G | September 3, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who would take Joe L. for anything except an old fool is a fool themselves. He will do anything to make the headlines and has never done anything for America. Soon he will be gone {GOOD}

Posted by: Buckeye | September 3, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse


MCCAIN IS THE BIGGEST PERVERT ALIVE!!
McCain's first wife was a 1.Beauty Queen, no substance. He cheated on her and his children with many women while his wife was crippled and trying to recover from a bad crash.

Mccain lies abouts his age to meet another 2.Beauty Queen while cheating on his wife, files for a marriage license while married and still living with his wife and kid's.
Now McCain pick's another 3. Beauty Queen who is turning out to be the biggest bust in the World of VP choices.
WHAT IS IT WITH MCCAIN AND BEAUTY QUEENS??

LOOK AT THIS PERVERT ON YOUTUBE LOOKING AT PALIN ARSE AND SMILING!!
MCCAIN IS THE BIGGEST PERVERT ALIVE!!
McCain's first wife was a 1.Beauty Queen, no substance. He cheated on her and his children with many women while his wife was crippled and trying to recover from a bad crash.

Mccain lies abouts his age to meet another 2.Beauty Queen while cheating on his wife, files for a marriage license while married and still living with his wife and kid's.
Now McCain pick's another 3. Beauty Queen who is turning out to be the biggest bust in the World of VP choices.
WHAT IS IT WITH MCCAIN AND BEAUTY QUEENS??

LOOK AT THIS PERVERT ON UT UBE LOOKING AT PALIN ARSE AND SMILING!!

Such a pervert he is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qUVQDmLf7s

Posted by: SWIFT BOAT MCCAIN | September 3, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

What High school do you hire your writers from WP? Another "lacking due-diligence" blog filled with hypocrisy because you also are distorting the figures. Do me a favor and write an article on Obama's vast legislative accomplishments.

Posted by: Jon | September 3, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman is a true alias of Neville Chamberlain(World War2) and the current company he keeps could not be more hypocritic. Also, Guilliani is simply JEALOUS of Barak Obama.

Posted by: ds_cenpak@comcast.net | September 3, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

That's the republican double talk tell what you did wrong and say that they did the same thing but it's not wrong!! DUH!!!!! I can't get over the fact the a person can claim to have more experience, when they have never written a law one. Never sponsored one or pass one federal law!!!! That's what the federal government does LADY!!! ""NEWS FLASH"" OBAMA HAS PASS, WRITTEN, SPONSORED MORE FEDERAL LAWS THEN YOU WILL EVER DREAM OF DOING!!!!

Posted by: Jrlecato | September 3, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

@Bud

You're right, the neocons and evangelicals that have taken the over the republican party are a far cry from the goldwater republicans who made the GOP proud.

These days republicans stand for hawkish aggressive foreign policy, massive government spending and debt, & decreased civil liberties(particularly 1st,4th, & 10th amendment rights)

Modern republicans combine the worst parts of the johnson and nixon administrations; with disastrous results.

As I get older I find myself more and more distrustful of government & spending, but find I have to vote for democrats as they've become the party of "smaller" government in the bizarre politics of the 21st century

Posted by: Patrick | September 3, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman is a shameless jellyfish who for the sake of protecting the integrity of Connecticut's fine voter base of all who vote regardless of political affiliation should resign.He stands for the worst in those who obviously want an advantage and will sell the farm with all family members locked in it to achieve his goals. He has pathetically moved from a turncoat democrat to a reactionary republican and believes his wishy washy politics will win him another term. This guy deserves whats coming to him....a one way ticket to Israel since nobody here will endorse a back-stabbing opportunist.

Posted by: realpolitik_58 | September 3, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I the American voters see the how much John McCain is "More of the Same" and Sara Palin has no business being VP, not alone be a defender of women, then we will have a Democrat in the White House and a clear cut majority in Congress. Old Uncle Joe speaking to the GOP faithful in St. Paul just made himself a lame duck Senator who will be beat when he comes up for re-election.

Posted by: C. T. Rich | September 4, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

ok SNAZZ OR TZAZZ OR WH0EVER you are I did my homework. Actually it is you that needs to research and for a quite awhile. The facts I bring you are from my knowledge of history. Yes you are exactly right on Abraham Lincoln. Let me start with J.F.K. Vietnam: J.F.K. in a interview with Walter Cronkite expressed his mis-givings about an adventure into S.E Asia. His statement that in " the final analysis it is their war to win or lose," is part and parcel of his position on Vietnam. He was shrewd enough to understand, the French had been defeated and the last thing which would benefit the U.S. is a long protracted war of attrition that perhaps would be unpopular and maybe unwinnable. Why? Because like Iraq after we needlessly opened up a can of worms we found in Iraq the same as what we found in Vietnam: a civil war. Now if you look at our civil war do you think it would have been prudent for the British to come in on the side of the South. Its called meddeling my friend and the British took a prudent view and decided against it. It is exactly what President George Washington voiced as a warning to our future presidents; "Do not allow yourself to become involved in foreign "entanglements." Unfortuately, we have in many cases failed to live by his warning. Vietnam was not a Kennedy failure but a military failure in not realizing its futility in the first place. Iraq has been an ideological failure in underestimating the insurgent Iraqi's in not considering their own patriotism in assuming they would not fight to throw out foreign invaders. However you spin it that is what we bacame: Invaders looking for oil we could control. Bill Clinton provided America with a robust economy, the best in recent history. He sent troops only reluctantly only when he was sure Americans supported our involvement there and only for a limited time to stop the genocide. Yet he was the target of a witch hunt that cost the taxpayers of the U.S. hundreds of thousands of dollars for absolutly nothing. The witch hunt was by the way the same indulgences that were being practiced by the hypocritical right wing who admitted their involvements with concubines. Men like Newt Gingwich.Way to go right! EXcept you are wrong on your limited understanding of U.S. history.

Posted by: realpolitik_58 | September 4, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Paul: after reading your blog I was going to really unload on you but what's the use. If your happy with the last 8 years God love you and God bless you. There is no need for derision.

Posted by: realpolitk_58 | September 4, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

What better to expect from Liebermann! False accusations and half-truths.

Wonder if the Republicans or people associated with them have decided to do away with vetting any thing/information before uttering/presenting/choosing etc. Look how they goofed up in choosing Sarah Palin!

Posted by: Anju Chandel | September 4, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

People, every where including the politicans, should stop going on dirt hunting missions on each other and let the truth and real facts of the canidates be their vote. It doesn't matter, if you're white, black, brown or other--we all have the same color blood God made sure of that. We're all humans beings with the same emotions. We're all still Americans. We as a people (government), should be able to do like other countries, i.e., China, Russia and take care of our own. After all, we are the richest country in the world, and yet the average worker- living from pay check to pay check, makes us the poorest. It is a sad time in America that we've come to this. We (government), need to start taking care of God's own, a recipe that includes Love, Joy, Peace, Longsuffering, Gentleness, Goodness, Faith, Meekness and Temperance. Without these ingredients, every decision (s) made by (government) for the people and by the people, will--eventually fail.

Posted by: sos in South Carolina | September 4, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Let's give Lieberman credit; he is a loud (but not always true), often heard and always analyzed voice of his state, Israel!
Good work, Joe!

Posted by: Dave | September 4, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: t6nheh4zmt | September 4, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Interesting stuff. The Republicans voicing the need for change after 8 years of Bush and 6 years of Republican House-Senate control. So,what we have is a situation of Republicans running against Republicans for changes to the mess Republicans handed the Country.

Posted by: Suasponte | September 4, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

We're here today in a trailer park in Mississippi hunting for that most elusive of birds, the Ruby Rumped Republican.
Once, only a few years ago, their flocks darkened the skies over much of American but today they are a vanishing breed.
Their decline can be traced loss of habitat as the imaginary world they live in has been systematically demolished by resurgent reality. Now, it's only here in the back water of the nation where their distinctive call can still be heard.
"Freedom fries!"
Lo, there by the rusted out chevy, the potbellied specimen in the sweat stained wife beater...he has all the hallmarks of a ruby rump, let's move in closer for a look but we must be careful, these birds have been known to launch wars for even imaginary reasons, their violent and irrational nature is legendary. Mind the broken beer bottles...

>>Funny how all people who hate America are voting for Obama.

Yes, delusional and incendiary dogma, the hallmark of the ruby rump. We are indeed fortunate to have captured this moment for posterity. Recent scientific studies indicate that these creatures will become extinct November 4th 2008.

Posted by: Dijetlo | September 4, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

When I think of Lieberman, I think of Wormtongue from the story of The Lord of the Rings. The weasel that hides behind the King and whispers lies and treason into his ears, while the nation goes in the crapper.

Posted by: wowisdabomb | September 4, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, BHO may think too highly of America and the best of its citizens when he challenges us to be better than we've been. The GOP doesn't think of us at all. They could care less.

As much as I hate to admit it, Obama stumping for Lieberman during his last Senate campaign, makes me now question Obama's judgment and the lesson any politician should now have learned --- never stump for anyone else because they'll likely come back and knife you at the first opportunity.

It seems obvious that many in America, particularly the GOP, like and want discord between its citizens. As long as discord exists we lash out at each other rather than focusing on them and what they have done to us.

Anyone who can claim that IRAQ was a just war, even now knowing that the document to which the administration based the call was a forgery as well as the lies that Al Queda was in Iraq or that Iraq was part of 9/11 tells me that many Americans don't want to know the truth and take pride in being ignorant because to do otherwise would mean they were wrong about their leaders. And lord forbid that America's leaders should be seen for what they are -- flawed humans who hope not to get caught in their lies.

And how convenient to call someone else out on a vote when you yourself made a similar vote only weeks before. Can you say h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Great thing about Joe is that he will be back with his hand out for Israel no matter how this works.

Israel is exactly the kind of foreign entanglement the forefathers warned against, and Joe is the Senator leading us deeper and deeper into the entanglement.

At this point he is apparently willing to lie to achieve his end which is nothing short of salvation--that is something he does share with Palin--who belongs to a sect that believes Jews are dammed.

Go figure.

Posted by: jfp | September 4, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

If you truly "love" America... then it's time for a change.

Banking crisis.
Inflation.
Foreclosures at record levels.
War (in the wrong place.)
Fuel at all-time high.
Unemployment.
No end in sight...

Need anyone say more.

And the last thing I need is some right-wing extremist telling me what I can listen to on the radio, watch on television, read in the print media, or how to raise my family. You can take your fundamentalist ideals and argue them all day with the religous extremists in the Middle East. What's the difference?

Posted by: What the #$%& | September 4, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Here you go guys~
Read this!

Let's get it on-the-record

Perhaps the most insightful moment about pundits and the press was off-air, in an exchange between MSNBC's Chuck Todd and his guests, conservative commentators Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy.

Not knowing their comments were being broadcast, the real opinions of all three were revealed. Both Murphy and Noonan disparaged the Palin pick. Noonan -- on the same day she wrote that Sarah Palin presented a "real and present danger to the American left and to the Obama candidacy"-- responded to Todd's question if Palin "is really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?"

Noonan: "The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me -- political bull---- about narratives."

Todd: "Yeah, they went to a narrative."

Murphy: "I totally agree."

Noonan: "Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it."

Murphy: "You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical."

Todd: "This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky."

Cynical and gimmicky is right. About the pundits, that is. Both Noonan and Murphy resumed their Republican roles after the commercial break, just as their Democratic counterparts often stay in character when the camera is on.

Their lack of campaign candor suggests a political/media industrial complex heavy on heat and, well, light on light.

But perhaps the most cynical is NBC's Todd, a journalist, who should insist on candor, not caricature, from people purporting to be expert analysts. If key commentators close to the candidate and the party aren't in sync with the party talking points, that's news.

And isn't that what the cable news networks are supposed to be about, anyway?

JOHN RASH
INDEPENDENTS AND PALIN
Not on the bandwagon yet

Posted by: kate | September 4, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Peace and love and all those sentiments are great ideals....but reality is always around the corner.

It's sick to see so many American's DOWN on America. We have it so damn good here that everyone else in the world is jealous.

An make no mistake, they are more than jealous. They want our money, our land and our lifestyle.

In the next 50 years we will be in a war with China, Russia or the Muslim world.

The muslim's consider us sick perverted people and if you gave them the choice they would convert us all or wipe us off the face of the earth. That's what the Koran teaches. Their prophet beheaded people who wouldn't convert and they still behead people in their nations today.

The Chinese are going to use up all of their natural resources and need land to spread out (that happens when you have a billion people) and they will begin to start small wars in Asia to gain land and resources. Nations will look to us for help but that means war with China.

Russia is returning to their cold war ways. They have an elite class that wants power and money. They use fear in the same manner that Stalin used and will rule their people with a misguided iron fist. They too will look to gain back the resources they lost in the small deomcratic republics that have separated. They will wage war on those small nations and then we will be asked to help.

This is your future America. Maybe all you self loathing Americans want to bash our military and kick yourself in the ass for having it so good, but oil, power and a strong military allow you to live the rich, lavish, flat screen buying life you live.

If we have to invade a few small countries now and again to guarantee our oil supply and make sure that my children will be able to live at the same level I enjoy today, so be it.

Maybe we aren't the most moral nation in the world, but its a hell of a lot better than the alternative.

Mark my words - the roman empire fell, and someday we will too, but why would we want to put ourselves in a position to fail?

My children deserve the same chance I did and the same safe and free society. China and Russia and the Muslim nations would see us burn and step in gladly after the ashes have cleared.

Other nations live by brutal rules.

We invaded a nation run by a evil dicator in the name of oil....that's the truth right? So what really is the big deal?

100,000 iraqis died so far so that your children can play little league and you can sip on your Starbucks.

Would you rather have your wife get raped by a band of rebels, or your children have to gather food from a dump to survive?

You can't have it both ways. Someone has to be on top and someone on the bottom. A Utopian society will never exist as long as one person has something someone else wants.

We have it, lets hang on to it for as long as we can.

That's reality. Republicans as much as we hate them guarantee our future by doing the things we see as morally unjust.

But morality doesn't provide oil or security for you or your children.

There's a reason poor people are the ones starting charities. There's a reason there are no charities in Vietnam raising money to give to poor american children.

You have to be on top before you can be the type of giving and caring nation we aim to be.

Let's get real America.

Posted by: Reality | September 5, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Correction : There's a reason poor people AREN'T the ones starting charities.

Posted by: Reality | September 5, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

U.S. Attacks on Pakistani Territory Continue
Increase Decrease

September 5, 2008 (LPAC)--The inability of the George Bush adminstration to learn from its own strategic errors--such as the support for the British-led toppling of the Musharaf government in Pakistan--was demonstrated again today. A drone deployed by the U.S.-led ISAF forces in Afghanistan, fired several missiles into Pakistani territory today, in North Waziristan. The missiles hit a house, reportedly killing at least three children and wounding several women, according to local television reports. Some reports are saying that those killed were Talibani militants, and Army spokesman Major-General Athar Abbas said they are investigating the incidents.

As Lyndon LaRouche pointed out yesterday, the destabilization of Pakistan is the key British target at this time. Internal Pakistani reports are emphasizing the killing of civilians, and the entire situation is further isolating the Pakistani Army, a key national institution, and fostering internal dissension.

This strike was the third in three days on the Pakistani area bordering Afghanistan, following the raid on Sept. 3 conducted by U.S. forces, in which some 15-20 were killed. That attack was severely condemned by the Pakistani government and Parliament. Yesterday, another drone attack reportedly killed five militants in Pakistan

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

No one is against our own troops. The problem begins when we see them losing their lives, losing their health, losing their sanity, economy in shreds, thousands of citizens becoming homeless by the drove and etc... We are proud of our troops! But to keep funding the war says to let our country go to hell, we rather look good than actually be doing good.

Posted by: silver0leaf | September 5, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Those who voted for Bush the second time really did America in. I indirectly blame those American citizens who voted for Bush twice. Being loyal to a party affliation (president) when it fails doesn't make any sense.

Do Republicans even care about the poor and middleclass Americans? Is it all about fighting and the rich getting richer?

Posted by: silver0leaf | September 5, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The US seems to be the only democratic country in the world where if one criticizes or disagrees with its leaders he/she is considered to be disloyal, a traitor or hates his/her country. "My country - right or wrong" is yesterday's news because it not only covers the US's relationship with other countries but also what its government does or doesn't do for, with or to its own citizens. Certainly, a large proportion of the US populace could challenge the quoted statement based on the economy, the loss of good paying jobs, bankruptcies due to medical bills, etc. Lastly, Republicans have spent the last 40 years trying to divide America so it is ironic to listen to McCain talk about "reaching across". This echoes of Bush's speeches about being a "conciliator". As it turned out he was quite the opposite. Can Americans really afford to trust McCain like they trusted Bush and then end up with another 4 years like the past 8? Or were his flip flops just the act of a desperate politician who needed to ingratiate himself with the conservative base? Everyone tells little white lies. Right? Question is: when do we know McCain is telling the truth?

Posted by: Terry | September 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Obama will target and rid of sharp opponents reporting that Gov. Sarah Palin’s popularity is now even larger than his??

Or will GOP Guiliani target and murder mutual opponents with his mob ties via protege Bernard Kerik whose got 140 years of jail time to cut sweetheart exchange deals with to lessen penalty? Hitler Guiliani, the mobster himself...

As sharp critics to both of them, wonder if we should worry about our family’s physical safety especially when we are jogging in public this afternoon or our car tampered with this afternoon after work for example?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Can someone on here tell me why we invaded Iraq?

Posted by: Confused | September 5, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The surge was a help, but since it has started another 1,000 boy are lost and over 10,000 seriously wounded. Iraq meanwhile has socked away another 80 billion that they won't even use to rebuild. How long are we going to kill boys just to win a political discussion. The death rate in our other war has doubled for both locals and American young men. There are no winners here, just a bunch of hard heads on both sides.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Lieberman really thought he had a shot at being the VP pick of McCain. How he was fooled! But now it looks like he is aiming at a cabinet post - he, like McCain, wants power and doesn't care what he has to do or say to get it.

Posted by: AZrebel | September 5, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

The premise of assessing the statement as barely true is ridiculous. By this standard all Policians need to say for any controversial(difficult)Bill is 'I'll vote for it as long as xyz is added to it'. XYZ being some far fetching stipulation knowing the opposition will never agree. This way he can pronounce either position when need fits. To illustrate this further, it is like saying they will vote for any abortion rights as long as no viable fetus is hurt. Double-Talk.

Posted by: Anon | September 6, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Why do you think they call him LIE-berman?

Wanna know why Lieberman and McCain are so close? Most people have no idea about this, but these 2 were among 10 people in Congress that Bush used to trot out the case for war.....3 months after 9/11.

They led the charge against Iraq.

Check it out:
http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/08/mccain-lieberman-sought-to-invade-iraq.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 6, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

@Anon
Your logic is flawed because your argument cuts both ways. A party could always put a reasonable and popular bill on the table without an important clause. When their opponents refuse to vote for the bill because it was crippled, they can claim that their opponent refused to vote for it.

Is it an unreasonable politician crafting a crippled bill or an unreasonable opponent proposing an impossible amendment?

The only way we can answer this question is if we look at the whole voting record, the issue at hand, and make a judgment on a case by case basis as to whether a proposed amendment is unreasonable.

But the idea that it is dishonest to use political leverage to create an amendment is the most unreasonable proposal of all. This sort of negotiation is a fundamental part of politics.

Posted by: Patrick | September 6, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Really US politics are simple.

Liberals have one set of facts, Conservatives have another. They both think each other are lying.

Liberals tend to base their facts on scientific authority.

Conservatives tend to base their evidence on religious authority.

For me its simple. I'm persuaded that policy based on careful measurement, experiment, and statistics is more effective. So I'm a liberal.

Posted by: Me | September 6, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA LIES ABOUT OUTSOURCING TO FOREIGN SOIL!

Barack and Howard Dean are using a company called Donor Services Group in Los Angeles that has an outsource call center in Manila, Philippines to handle their fund raising efforts. This isn't the only company they are using that is open about sending American Jobs to foreign soil. Both Obama and Dean know this but they are getting great rates on with low wages and this works in their efforts to mislead the public on jobs.

Donor Services Group is a minimum wage company that does not pay a fair wage to nearly 150 staffers and refuses to pay for all hours worked and makes WalMart look like a very generous company!

Both DNC and Barack know this and don't care that the company uses harsh tactics on the staff to get money raised.

Posted by: Corwin | September 7, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

John McCain supports Free Trade & Globalization for all countries unless they threaten "security of our vital interests" or have committed "egregious offenses". So he'll probably be sending more jobs abroad than Obama.

That said, Globalization and outsourcing isn't a terrible idea. People in Manila probably need jobs a lot worse than Americans. Moreover trade between nations(including outsourcing) improves the global economy and creates more demand for American goods and services, thus creating more jobs domestically.

All smart people should be in favor of globalization. The long term benefits far outweigh the short term costs.

Posted by: lol | September 7, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama has told so many lies, we can't believe anything he says. Yes, He voted against funds to our military in Iraq, however you wish to rationalize his vote, it was clear, he would do anything to stop the war in Iraq at the cost of losing a war and 50 million people.
Another lie is his claim, Ayers was, "just another guy in the neighborhood". the UIC, library archives prove otherwise, and that Ayers hosted Obama's first campaign fund raiser. Obama and Ayers served on boards together, worked on projects together and went on retreats together, hardly, "just a guy in the neighborhood".
Obama claims he paid for his eduction???? Not so says, Percy Sutton, the 88 year old, who tells how he met Obama, when a Texan, Dr.Khalid al-Mansour, WAS RAISING MONEY FOR OBAMA'S EDUCATION and asked Sutton to send a letter to Harvard, recommending Obama. Dr.Khalid al-Mansour, was once, Donald Warden, activist, with Black Panther associations in Berkley? Why would a muslim be asking for recommendations for a Christian Obama to be accepted at Harvard and raising money for his education? Something fishy about all these connections to questionable anti American groups. Who was the supporting factor for a city organizer, Obama claims worked with churches, (was it Jeremiah wrights black church he was working with? Why does Obama, skirt the questions he is asked, with a diatribe about what he has done, accolades for what he will do, the rhetoric mantras, and make a fast exit? He has been programmed for this election and we are getting wise, no? Now, he is trying to keep the campaign kinder and gentler, hoping the opponents will give him the same treatment, so he doesn't have to answer the hard questions. What is all this flakey stuff about Barrack Hussein Obama? I have nothing against Obama, but the audacity of him running for President of USA.

Posted by: houstonstreet | September 7, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Many Americans are Loyal to Israel, they believe the deserts of the middle east are vacant land with ample land space for all of the tribes, including the Jewish People who built their first Temple in Jerusalem and have occupied parts of Israel since 5000 b.c. Israel is a democracy that is vital to the world. They have made a wasteland an Oasis and there are 300 technology companies in a place that was once wadis and sand dunes. The world should be praising them for the gorgeous orchards, fruits and vegetables they export to Europe and feed a multitude of people. What do the arabs grow? What do the arabs do, besides pump fossil fuel out of the ground and parade around in long dresses or migrate to the west.

Posted by: houstonstreet | September 7, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

We are behind Lieberman since we were once of democratic pursuasion, but finally realized they do not represent the Average American Family, so we are voting for McCain/Palin, who do represent us. The lies and hostility of the liberal left is intolerable, Democrats have gone over the edge and we refuse to be a part of this angry group of thugs and liars. . Stop attacking Sarah Palin, she is well known and exactly what you see, we love the Lady Governor of Alaska. Go Joseph Lieberman!!

Posted by: houstonstreet | September 7, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Sending jobs abroad will strengthen some of the countries that are standing in line to come to America, get them involved so they can change their country into a place they want to live. Everyone in the world cannot come to USA and immigration is becoming a big problem for Americans.
If Obama thinks taxing corporations more will change sending jobs abroad, that proves how a simple minded city organizer thinks. The higher the cost of running corporations that produce products every american uses, will ony increase the prices of the products, and the rich can afford the increaases but the poor cannot.
So, Obama will have to make everything govt owned and dole out our TP, zip lock bags, cameras, cereals, soap, toothpaste, garbage bags, fruits and vegetables, paper towels, kitty litter, garden supplies, all food products. How will he decide how much to give to who?
He thinks like a city organizer!!

Posted by: houstonsreet | September 7, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

"Clearly Obama wanted to provide funding for the troops -- just not the president's military strategy."

OK, I think I got it...

Obama CLEARLY decided that HIS agenda was MORE important than funding the troops.

So what Lieberman ought to have said was, "Clearly, Obama put his OWN interests in front of the interests of American troops on the battlefield."

I can live with that...

Posted by: stonhinged | September 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

the kid does not even have a record to speak of yet

Posted by: Anonymous | September 8, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

This election has nothing to do with issues or popularity polls but rather the actual candidate that bumps off a mutual opponent wins in November.

Apparently this mutual opponent exposed corruption within both parties and is now targeted to be bumped off.

The questions are...

1. Will the GOP use Guiliani-like mob-ties like his protege Bernard Kerik who may be doing 140 years of jail time for it?

2. Will the DEMS use an OJ Simpson-like person with a record and may be doing jail time in near future?

3. Will both parties engage in sweetheart exchange deals where these convicted felons do the actual dirty work of bumping off mutual opponent in exchange for lesser jail time and candidates/parties are never suspected in public?

4. Given that this truth is revealed, should we begin to worry about the general safety of our families where ever we are in public or private? For example, do we have to worry about traveling on Port Authority buses from NJ to NYC tonight? Or tomorrow?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Palin: pro-religion, anti-science. Stem cell research--not a chance in hell. Considering neither one of them is highly educated, it should come as no surprise. Anyone heard of Mao Tse-tung, who sent the intellectuals to the countryside for "re-education"?

Posted by: koijaicat | September 10, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Lieberman said: America's troops are coming home - thousands of them - and they're coming home in honor!"

"As of August, 62 Army soldiers have committed suicide, and 31 cases of possible suicide remain under investigation, according to Army statistics. Army officials said that if the trend continues this year, it will pass the nation's suicide rate...."CNN

Posted by: koijaicat | September 10, 2008 6:17 AM | Report abuse

houstonstreet....can you provide links to your questions? If so I believe every American needs to have these issues answered before the election. Otherwise they just might be selling the USA to those who refer to us a "Devils"

Posted by: Sherry | September 10, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"Barely true is still true"??? Really?

I think intentional deception is still deception, even if the speaker accomplishes it by sly implication, suggestion and other tricky wording that allows him to claim everything he said was, in some sense "literally true".

This is really very simple:
A lie is an intentional deception. An intentional deception is a lie.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | September 11, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Right wingers.... Obama did in fact vote FOR funding the troops just 2 weeks before that, which was vetoed by Bush. Check the facts. Go to the US Senate website and you can see how he voted and how McCain votes. Except McCain has not voted 63% of the time in this congess.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

It would also be true to say that "when it came to funding the troops in Iraq, John McCain went AWOL," since he wasn't present to vote on the bill. What a dirty, scummy guy that McCain is! He's unfit to be the commander in chief if he can't be bothered to come to the Senate and vote to support our troops!!

Posted by: Chuck | September 11, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I fear for us all . It's the Salem Witch Trials all over again ! What good is history if we don't lean from it! Why are folks supporting theses JERKS ! McCain voted 10 times to NOT fund the Vets ! Obama is a little better but not by much . We need someone who will not be in the corps's pockets and work for the good of the people & the planet ! NOT DRILL & KILL!

Posted by: sue | September 12, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I am an independent who hasn't made up her mind yet for whom she is voting. The problem is not because both candidates are equally admirable, but just the opposite. I haven't made up my mind which one is the least one to cause damage.
I do, however, question when the media is going to wake up and realize that it's because of their far left, one sided "reporting" that people like Palin are just getting stronger??? The media is trying to win the race for Obama, and it just says to me that Obama is not strong or intelligent enough to do so on his own.

Posted by: Annette | September 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent who hasn't made up her mind yet for whom she is voting. The problem is not because both candidates are equally admirable, but just the opposite. I haven't made up my mind which one is the least one to cause damage.
I do, however, question when the media is going to wake up and realize that it's because of their far left, one sided "reporting" that people like Palin are just getting stronger??? The media is trying to win the race for Obama, and it just says to me that Obama is not strong or intelligent enough to do so on his own.

Posted by: Annette | September 14, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Again, I say America is crumbling right before our eyes. The ship is sinking and the polls say Americans rather put a lying corrupt senator without a plan in office that has consistently voted against the American people than Barack Obama.
Just fact check both McCain’s and Obama’s voting record. http://www.votesmart.org
On the economy, McCain voted NO on:
S AMDT 210 to S Con Res 18: To repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore.
Which means McCain is voting YES to give tax support, financial assistance to companies which move US jobs offshore.
Economic detailed Plan:
I could not find any detailed plan on McCain’s website or any other website concerning corporations as they apply to the American people.
Obama voted YES on:
S AMDT 210 to S Con Res 18: To repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore.
Which means Obama is voting NO to give tax support, financial assistance to companies which move US jobs offshore.
Obama’s Economic detailed Plan:
REAL USA Plan: Reward companies that create domestic jobs
Obama's "REAL USA" Corporations Plan (Responsible, Accountable, and Loyal USA Corporations) will reward companies that create quality jobs in America with tax incentives. Companies will be required to:
1. locate in the United States 90% of its production and employment for the sales of goods and services that are consumed here;
2. invest at least 50% of its R&D budget here in the U.S;
3. make sure their workers have access to affordable health care by providing a standardized and portable health insurance plan and pay at least 70% of the cost;
4. make sure their workers have retirement security by contributing at least 5% of payroll to a portable, multi-employer pension fund and operating a profit-sharing plan for all full time employees; and
5. Limit management compensation to 50 times the lowest-paid full-time worker.
Supports federal programs to protect rural economy. (May 2004)

Check how they both voted regarding healthcare for children, veterans, seniors, and hurricane survivors. McCain consistently voted NO regarding healthcare and Obama voted YES.

On Education No vote McCain and Yes vote Obama.

On woman issues each candidate voted one YES vote. McCain voted YES against Pro-choice. On women issues Obama voted YES for equal pay.

With the banks and savings and loans closing daily, Americans would put a corrupt senator who was directly responsible for over 21,000 elderly investors losing their life savings. Look up Keating 5, McCain on behalf of his good friend, Charles Keating who gave McCain $112,000 for his campaign along with his private jet vacations to the Bahamas was chairman of the failing Lincoln Savings and Loans, McCain went to the regulators of the FHLBB Savings and Loans who were investigating Charles Keating and successfully pressured them to back off which resulted in thousands of Americans losing their life savings! McCain got away with it as he is getting away with stealing this election.

His voting record and facts show it is not “Country First” it is McCain first. Wake up America!

Posted by: Lore Fitzgerald | September 15, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

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