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Posted at 11:58 AM ET, 09/ 9/2008

Sarah Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere

By Michael Dobbs


"She stopped the Bridge to Nowhere."
--"Original Mavericks" Ad, September 7, 2008.

The McCain-Palin campaign seems to think that a statement becomes true simply by dint of repetition. A TV advertisement repeats the dubious claim that vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin "stopped" the nation's most infamous symbol of pork-barrel spending. It's been pretty clearly established by now that the "bridge to nowhere" was going nowhere at all before the Alaska governor formally signed the death warrant in September 2007.

The Facts

When Sarah Palin announced the abandonment of the "bridge to nowhere" on September 21, 2007, she issued a statement acknowledging the obvious: Congress was no longer prepared to foot the bill. "Much of the public's attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here," she told Alaskans. "But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened."

It was a plea for realism. Pork-barrel spending had become a red-button political issue, and Alaska was routinely cited by watchdog groups as the biggest recipient of Congressional largesse, thanks to the efforts of its long-time Republican senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young. Alaska has consistently topped the pork per capita ratings drawn up by Citizens Against Government Waste since 2000. According to the latest 2008 ranking, every Alaskan received $555 in pork over the last year, compared to $25 for every inhabitant of Illinois and $15 for every Arizonan.

Palin had a different view of the bridge project linking the town of Ketchikan (population 7,500) with an airport on sparsely populated Gravina island when she was running for governor of Alaska in 2006. In answers to a written questionnaire from the Anchorage Daily News, she said that the time to build the bridge was "now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

As governor, Palin opted to use the $200 million that Congress had originally set aside for the bridge for other transportation projects. It is therefore inaccurate for her to claim, as she did at the Republican Convention earlier this month and repeatedly since, including on the campaign trail today, that she said "thanks, but no thanks," to Congress on the "bridge to nowhere" project.

During her State of the State address in January, Palin told Alaskans that "we cannot and must not rely so heavily on federal government earmarks." While she has cut back on earmark requests, records cited by the Associated Press show that she has requested $750 million in federal subsidies during her two years as governor, the largest per-capita request in the nation.

The Pinocchio Test

While it is true that Palin declared an end to the project, that's beside the point. It would be more accurate to say that she finally bowed to fiscal reality and congressional politics after a year as governor, and killed off a project that had become a national joke.

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By Michael Dobbs  | September 9, 2008; 11:58 AM ET
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Comments

Seems the "Straight Talk Express" is making U-turns all over the map.

Posted by: Diane | September 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

So, Dobb: are you saying Gov. Palin is or is not lying about telling Congress "Thanks, but no thanks"? Aren't you admitting she finally killed the project, even though it was stalled in its tracks?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

3 Pinocchios is exactly what Palin deserves for all the spin she's trying to put on the Bridge to Nowhere.

The McCain camp is so busy trying to construct this facade of Palin as an "outsider/reformer" that it can't see the forest for the trees: Palin is a highly-flawed, very political figure that carries more baggage with her than the McCain camp can realistically deal with. Good work, McCain!!!!! He got exactly what he wanted ... an unknown. Now the McCain camp has to deal with the fact that even they don't know who this looney tune from Alaska really is!

Perhaps The Fact Checker could next look into all of these per diem charges that the Palins charged the State of Alaska for, essentially, spending the night in their own home. So much for Palin trying to do away with wasteful government spending. She's the one busting the budget by charging Alaska constituents for spending the night in her own home!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

To Jake D: No, what The Fact Checker is saying is that Palin's spin on the Bridge to Nowhere, and her supposed comment of "Thanks, but no thanks," is a tale that she's out there spinning to make herself look good. She didn't say "Thanks, but no thanks" because Congress was begging her to take the money and build the bridge. She gave up the fight because she knew that the Bridge to Nowhere was quickly becoming a huge political liability over which she and her administration would be skewered if she tried to push it any further. Big difference! And if you read the article you will see that the spin that she put on it at the time -- in order to make herself look good in the eyes of Alaskan voters -- was that she was still for it, but it just wasn't going to happen because of those big, bad people in D.C. But now that it's politically expedient for her to be against spending money on the Bridge to Nowhere, she wants to sound as though she was never for it.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Both Biden and Obama voted for the the bridge twice; and both voted against diverting funds from the bridge to the victims of Katrina.

How about so balanced reporting, guys? We know you're in the tank, but you could at least try and fake it.

Posted by: info | September 9, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has been transformed from the "straight" talker into an opportunistic liar.

His campaign is now controlled by the Rove machine, which has installed Sarah Palen-Bush as VP.

If they should win the election, she will then morph into Sarah Palen-Cheney and start calling the shots.

America, we're in trouble.

Posted by: PhilZ | September 9, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I completely disagree with three Pinocchios. Congress withdrew funding for the bridge, stopping it in its tracks by 2006, but Gov. Palin did more than "formally sign the death warrant" -- she took the final, fatal shot in September 2007 by refusing to allocate $329 million to fully fund the bridge project -- what's so hard to understand?! She, in effect, told Congress "Thanks, but no thanks. If we're going to build the bridge, we'll pay for it ourselves." COMPLETELY TRUE!!!

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Three Pinocchios: "Significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions." Whether it was a national joke or not, Gov. Sarah Palin KILLED the project. Dobbs has admitted that much. What, exactly, is the "Significant factual error and/or obvious contradiction" again?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Sarah Palin backed away from building the bridge when the money for the federal government dried up.

Palin did not return the money already received by Alaska.

That state is checks to its citizenry and is posting a budget surplus.

The money should be returned.

Posted by: austin | September 9, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

What Sarah palin said about the bridge to nowhere was very misleading.

Posted by: Antonio | September 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

80% approval rating in Alaska, apparently there's more happiness there then most have ever known. She's new, fresh and what most conservatives want. She's no Joe Biden--a true product of "change" and "hope"??????
Maybe someone should look into whether or not she colors her hair, when you can't stand on issues, this is what you're reduced to.

Posted by: reed | September 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Campaigning for governor, Palin visited the town of Ketchikan to promise action on the bridge. She “said the bridge was essential for the town’s prosperity,” and that “she could feel the town’s pain at being derided as a ‘nowhere’ by prominent politicians.” She said the time to secure the funding was now, “while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”

On Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace tried to pin down a straight answer on Palin’s bridge position from McCain campaign manager Rick Davis. When Davis refused to acknowledge Palin’s misleading statements, Wallace detailed her support for millions of dollars in earmarks, including the bridge:

WALLACE: During her 1.5, 2 years as Governor, Alaska continued to get more federal money for pork-barrel projects per capita than any state in the country and…she supported the Bridge to Nowhere. And it was only after the federal government dropped it out, killed it, the Congress killed it that she then opposed it. And in fact she still got the money for the approach, the ramp to the Bridge to Nowhere.

Posted by: FoxNews agrees | September 9, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty simple. Palin said no to the bridge, not because she was standing up to pork-barrel spending, but because the bridge was a really stupid idea.

Posted by: Jason | September 9, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

austin and Antonio:

Whether the money should be returned, or not, there are no "Significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions" in the campaign ad being discussed on this thread. I'm sorry you feel "misled" but the rest of us knew exactly what she was talking about.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Foxnews agrees (how about I post the rest of that exchange)?

DAVIS: Congress didn’t beat back the Bridge to Nowhere.

WALLACE: But she accepted the money ...

DAVIS: That funding was in the grant and she said, “I’m not spending the money.” And what they did; they took a $500 million bridge and she turned it into $2 million ferry. And that’s what she did on her own without any help form anybody else.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I think when all is said and done we are going to be stuck with this ladyjoke for four years. No one has the guts to take her to task. The "mispeaks"lol, will not be pushed by the media. Sexist Sextist!!!
She should have to answer all questions, be the easy or hard just like any other candidate. They will keep her hidden until the election is over as they are afraid of what she might say.

Posted by: bkmj | September 9, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

She supported the bridge while running for Gov. Once she was seated, she stopped the bridge but kept the money...in her own words. (Typical republican "stay the course" politics).

Posted by: Sezme | September 9, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign needs to keep "beating" Palin over the head with this "Thanks, but no Thanks!" crap over the bridge until she removes it from her campaign stump speech.

She was for it as a gubernatorial candidate. She was against it when Congress said no it specifically and allowed her to keep the $300 million. She accepted the $300 million and that is the end of that.

When it comes to pork-spending, Palin's a typical politician.

Posted by: Obama-Junkie | September 9, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin gave up the fight when it was apparent that she had lost the battle. That is nowhere close to telling Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks." Of course, she wants to spin this story to make it seem as though she would never support such a wasteful project when, in fact, she supported the Bridge for Nowhere for a considerable period! Her angle of "thanks, but no thanks" is at best, political spin, and at worst, a complete lie!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am Joe Biden and I wear lipstick too! DONT FORGET ABOUT ME!!!! I wear women's underwear toooo!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Joseph Biden | September 9, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

that guy jake is on crack just like palin, and mccain is the one choppin it up for both of em, dude she lied or at least misrepresented the facts, its not like she was against it all the way, she just backed off when she had no other choice and then still kept the money, thats so simple but like i said your so high you cant grasp it

Posted by: sam | September 9, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD: Of course there are significant factual errors and/or obvious contradictions in the campaign ad being discussed here. You speak only for yourself when you endorse her lies as truth. The rest of us are smart enough to know the difference between a lie and the truth ... and Palin lies when she says that she told Congress "thanks, but no thanks." Sarah Palin supported the Bridge to Nowhere, and she would have worked toward having it built if Congress hadn't shot it out of the water and it hand't become the political laughing stock of the country, and the only thing that Palin deserves credit for is knowing when to stop fighting a battle that was lost long ago.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

sam:

At least I can GRASP simple contractions like "that's", "you're", and "can't" : )

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

sarah palin ran an election campaign on the platform of the bridge to nowhere which she won because her constituents supported it.

she then stopped it, with equal support by her constituents, and now has an 80% approval for flip flopping on this bi-partisan issue.

so whats your point washington post? that she OBEYED HER CONSTITUENTS?

if thats not the job of a presidential candidate and vice presidential candidate, what is?

since when has obama pushed any agenda that garnered even 50% approval let alone a majority?

wake up and realize that a liberal government has absolutely no focus on the american peoples real issues.

Posted by: dale | September 9, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Jake, please. The claim in the ad is that she "stopped the Bridge to Nowhere." Congress stopped it, and she finally agreed (despite initial support), and spent the money elsewhere. In what way is that "stopping" it?

I certainly hope to see this level of deference to the candidate from you during the next Obama fact check.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | September 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Kay Decker:

I believe Gov. Palin refusing to spend the additional $329 million was sufficient message to Congress: "Thanks, but no thanks. If we're going to build the bridge, we'll pay for it ourselves."

As always, YMMV : )

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

hey jake, its my not job to teach you grammer, just trying to make my point. Why is when slow people have no leg to stand on they have to find some grammatical problem with your post, while completely ignoring the message. I know its hard to deal with reality, your mind is stuck on one side of the issue and the truth hurts, go on and keep yourself in complete denial. Palin's (like the '?)a total nutjob, she's worse than bush ( i never thought i'd ever say that). And this time Jake try to let my post absorb a little bit before you start acting like a 6th grade english teacher and start grading it instead.

Posted by: sam | September 9, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

ManUnitdFan:

To use a hunting analogy, Congress stopped the bridge in its tracks, and Gov. Palin pulled the trigger.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

sam:

The "message" of your post is that I am "on crack just like palin, and mccain is the one choppin it up for" us -- of course I "ignored" ad hominem personal attacks -- regardless, I have pointed out how every word Gov. Palin has spoken about this bridge is completely true.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - how many times do you have to have it explained to you? Palin is misleading, some call it lying.

Posted by: Irene | September 9, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Irene:

Some say she is smoking carck cocaine, so?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's a better analogy, Jake:

Congress stopped the bridge in its tracks, and shot it in the stomach. It could have sat there, bleeding to death, but Palin put it out of its misery.

Killing something that is already dead is not the same as killing something that's alive.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | September 9, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I agree that "Killing something that is already dead is not the same as killing something that's alive." If Alaska would have made up the $329 million shortfall (or, in your analogy, treated the GSW to the stomach), the bridge would have lived.

Your turn.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Palin is a cuunt. If she wasn't hot, no one would pay any attention to her.

Posted by: George Carlin | September 9, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Please, try to understand once and for all. Pork Barrel Palin and Sen. Ted Stevens and Rep Young, all of Alaskan blood, have porked the US Taxpayers for years. This is fact. The GOP (you know them as the Gang of Perniciousness) didn't give one hoot regarding money or pork or American lives during their 10 year control of Congress. Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska poured more of our tax dollars into the hands of Alaskans than anyone could dare imagine. Porker Palin drew in 27 to 30 million for a town of 8,000 people and you think she's a conservative. OMG, get a life and look at the facts. She's in the Stevens money bag. Thank God the Democrats have got control once again to stop that prolific waste of our dollars.

Posted by: ironman | September 9, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"So, Dobb: are you saying Gov. Palin is or is not lying about telling Congress "Thanks, but no thanks"? Aren't you admitting she finally killed the project, even though it was stalled in its tracks?"

Palin killed the "bridge to nowhere."

Hilter ended the Nazi's rampage in WWII by failing to hold Normandy.

Bush saved America from the Republicans by making all republicans look bad.

McCain saved the lives of the veitnamese by crashing his plane.

Posted by: Tim | September 9, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

CNN reports that 62% of men view Palin favorably. It rises to 100% when the pollster shows them a naked picture of Palin.

Posted by: WantingToDoSarah | September 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Jake the reason i said you were on crack wasn't to actually say you were taking drugs, instead it was to infer your an idealistic right wing nut who has his head so far up the republican party's backside that no matter what palin says or has done you will ignore and deny, so you can maintain her "virgin mary" like status in your mind, i hope that helped clarify my point.

Posted by: sam | September 9, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so all a state of 600,000 people had to do was make up a $329 million shortfall? So by my count, that's... $548.33 for every man, woman, and child in the state. We'll just round it to $2,200 for a family of four.

So that's basically the equivalent of a $20 billion infrastructure project for the State of California.

Not in any way feasible = dead.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | September 9, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Dale makes the perfect case for why Sarah Palin is just your average, run-of-the-mill, insincere, fact-bending politican: She says exactly what she needs to say to get elected, and then does exactly what she wants to do once in office, and then lies to either blame it on everyone else if it's a disaster or take credit for it if it's a success. Thanks, Dale!

So now that we've established that Sarah Palin lied about opposing the Bridge to Nowhere, let's acknowledge that she isn't the agent of change that the McCain camp is trying to invent her as. She's just an inexperienced, baggage-laden, novice politican that hasn't done anything spectacular in her short-lived political career. Sarah Palin was a pick of convenience for the McCain camp so that they wouldn't seem so out-of-touch with the rest of America and wouldn't be running their usual old white man presidential ticket. But their hen has come to roost now, and they're either going to have to stick with her through the next 8 weeks or jettison her as quickly as they possibly can.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

November Obama Landslide.

McCain has no leg to stand on.

Posted by: Tim | September 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Come on people, give McCain a break. I'd pick Palin too if I though I had a shot at fuucking her in the White House! And she probably give good head! McCain made a great choice!!!

Posted by: PleaseGiveItToMeSarah | September 9, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

another difference between dems and those of the gop is that unlike dems who want qualified candidates becuase we actually have high expectations and scrutinize our own in an intelligent manner, the gop wants anyone they can hoot and holler over and cast their votes for. They got that with Palin. They're not going to give that up. She's their poster child, they don't care she has no clue to being a VP, they can get excited about her and feel good about her, that's all that matters to them.

Posted by: Sam | September 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

And another thing that just confuses the hell out me is how they keep marketing thier ticket as "mavericks". That is "mavericks" to the republican party. So that means they are openely admitting the GOP has done a bad job, otherwise what would the need for "mavericks" be, if they were doing a good job, conformists would do just fine right? So the party is broke, their performance is horrible, whats the answer more republicans in the white house? isnt that like throwing more gasoline on the fire thats already burning? except that this gasoline is higher octane now?

Posted by: Sam | September 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

i agree she is kind of hot though, in school teacher, i didn't turn in my homework, what's my punishment, kind of way.

Posted by: sam | September 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Back at ya', JakeD: It is, of course, your inalienable right to "believe Gov. Palin refusing to spend the additional $329 million was sufficient message to Congress: 'Thanks, but no thanks. If we're going to build the bridge, we'll pay for it ourselves.'" ... but that doesn't make it a truthful statement on Sarah Palin's part. All of the following facts mitigate against Palin fashioning herself as the person who brought down the Bridge to Nowhwere: (1) Palin actually supported the Bridge to Nowhere; (2) Congress did not approve the funding for the project; (3) the Bridge was already becoming a political liability for every Alaskan politician; (4) Palin actually admitted that the project was as good as dead and had just enough political savvy to not pursue something that wasn't popular even in many parts of Alaska, but (5) she went ahead and kept the money anyway and just used it for a different purpose while adding to the hefty tab that the federal government already picks up for Alaska and its residents.

So what does the fact that my mileage may vary have to do with Palin's lies? Vary from what?

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE ARGUE THIS LOGIC, I WANT TO GET A LAUGH:

Palin succeded in stopping the "bridge to nowhere," by failing to get the funds to build it.

Just like:

Hitler succeded in stopping the nazi's in WWII, by failing to defend Normandy.

Just like:

John McCain saved the lives of Vietnamese children, by crashing his plane before he could drop the bombs.

Posted by: Tim | September 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

To: Kay, Philz, FoxNew, Obama-Junkie, George and Sam. People should learn about the economics, politics and history of Alaska before they comment. Alaska is like no other state in the union. From what was it like when in was a territory, to why it became a state and what has happened since. Know about your subject before analyzing and judging. No one is so blind as those who chose not to see.

Posted by: JulieGirl | September 9, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Kay Decker:

I will stipulate (1) Palin actually supported the Bridge to Nowhere; (2) Congress did not approve the funding for the project; (3) the Bridge was already becoming a political liability for every Alaskan politician; and (5) she went ahead and kept the money.

So, let's concentrate on "(4) Palin actually admitted that the project was as good as dead and had just enough political savvy to not pursue something that wasn't popular even in many parts of Alaska". Do you have a cite for her "admission"? "As good as dead" is not the same as "dead" right (see hunting analogy, above)?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Palin's statements about the essential rights of women are equally dubious.

WOMEN: *Please* send this to 5 women you know, so that they know the facts--and can keep their rights:

From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65qxee

Sunday, September 07, 2008

10 Ways in Which Sarah Palin Is *Exactly* Like George W. Bush

1) Like Bush, she is completely against a woman's right to choose (in fact, she exceeds Bush in that she is against a woman's right to choose even in cases of rape or incest;

2) Like Bush, she opposes stem cell research to prevent fatal diseases in men, women and children;

3) Like Bush, supports the teaching of Creationism alongside Evolution in public schools;

4) Like Bush, does not believe that Global Warming is man made;

5) Like Bush, has supported abstinence-only sex education methods that have proven ineffective;

6) Like Bush, has virtually no foreign policy experience prior to running for national office--(in Palin's case, despite a 72-year old, chronically ill running mate)

7) Like Bush, has engaged in conduct that has resulted in current government investigation of her actions;

8) Like Bush, has made statements which indicate lack of knowledge of basic elements of the office they are running for (Palin, July 2008: "What exactly does the Vice President do everyday?");

9) Like Bush, has been sequestered to prevent her being asked questions that she has not yet been prepared to answer;

10) Like Bush, talks like a reformer--yet in her actions (i.e., relying on lobbying, supporting the Bridge to Nowhere before she was against it) acts in the most typical, all-too-familiar fashion.


H/T: On The Issues

Cite:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/65qxee

Posted by: Cara Prado | September 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jake, stop trying to make it sound as if the bridge still had a chance of being built. (See all my posts, above)

The difference between "dying" and "dead" is time.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | September 9, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

ManUnitdFan:

We are ALL dying then.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Dobbs is going to need two shifts a day to keep up with the whoppers the Republicans are putting out about Palin. Her record on earmarks is an even bigger lie.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | September 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Dear Post Fact-Checker:

Could you run one of your Fact-Checkers on how much of the $1 billion of earmarks Obama requested for Illinois were targeted toward the hospital where his wife works, and how much was targeted towards the interests of his campaign donors?

It would be interesting to us voters to have all the FACTS included in your completely non-partisan reporting....

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

To JulieGirl: To what is your post referring? What do the economics, politics and history of Alaska have to do with Palin lying about her support/lack of support for the Bridge to Nowhere? Facts are facts: Palin has consistently lied regarding her involvement in the Bridge to Nowhere, and she deserves absolutely no credit for the dissolution of an already unpopular pork barrel project. That's not a judgment; that's fact, pure and simple. It seems to me that your hysteria over whatever posts I have made on this topic is somehow connected to the fact that Palin lies about her involvement in the Bridge to Nowhere.

And just so you know: Alaska isn't all that different than any of the other 49 states of the Union. We're all Americans, and each and every State is unique in some way and home to proud citizens. I'm from Maryland, and I am proud of the beautiful and unique state in which I live. I'm glad that you're as proud of your state!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear Post Fact-Checker:

The Post has published no shortage of articles and opinions on Sarah Palin's alleged flip-flop on the Bridge to Nowhere.

For the interest of all voters, could your unbiased reporters now publish the same number of articles on:
- Obama's flip-flop on public financing for his campaign.
- Obama's flip-flop on the Cuban embargo
- Obama's flip-flop on decriminalizing marijuana.
- Obama's flip-flop on special interests such as labor unions providing financial support to campaigns.

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Jake, move on, this is a loser, the ad and her speech are extremely misleading. You don't have to agree, but you won't convince anyone who hasn't already decided Plain can do no wrong.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | September 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Post's latest spin on earmarks is to use per-capita numbers, implying Alaska is gorging on earmarks.

What the Post's completely non-partisan reporters won't include in their articles is the fact that most earmarks are for infrastructure related projects. Look at a map. Alaska is big and needs more infrastructure than, say, tiny Delaware. Alaska is sparsely populated.

Of course the per person spending is way out of whack....not that the non-partisans at the esteemed Post want to include facts like those in their reporting.

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

She lied and she should be held accountable. They did not let Hillary off the hook when she lied about the Bonsia trip. That lie hurt her campagin badly. Palin lied about it over and over again and did so with a smile on her face. This is not her only lie there are alot more to come to light. But after Geroge Bush I do not want someone with that much power to be able to lie to me. Lies got us into Iraq and look at what that cost America and the young men and women that went to Iraq to serve its country. She lied once, she will lie again.

Posted by: cokomo | September 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Lies, even those told by a pitt-bull in lipstick, are still lies. Even if they're barked 150 times.

Is this how it's going to have to be? Each sentence she barks will need to be parsed, analyzed, and fact-checked extensively? Aren't there more important things to do?

Posted by: Susan | September 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD: As good as dead isn't the same as dead? When something is limping along on its last leg, gasping for its last breath of air, not able to go one step further, and might as well be dead, yes, that's as good as dead ... much like your argument here, which seems to be in its final death throes.

In an AP article from yesterday, Palin is quoted from last year saying to her Alaska constituents: "'It's clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island,' Palin said then." (Palin was announcing her reasoning for why she had ordered state transportation officials to ditch the project, saying that it would be fruitless to try to persuade Congress to fund the project.) The AP article goes on to say, "Palin indicated during her 2006 campaign for governor that she supported the bridge, but was wishy-washy about it. She told local officials that money appropriated for the bridge 'should remain available for a link, an access process as we continue to evaluate the scope and just how best to just get this done.'" So she acknowledges that the bridge project is dead in the water, but at the same time she was hopeful that she could still get more federal funds for Alaskans.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Pretty funny to watch Obama and his followers continue to get drawn into campaigning against Sarah Palin.

- "Who's more experienced? Obama or Palin?"
-"Who's been worse with earmarks? Obama or Palin?"
-"Who's least prepared to handle foreign policty? Obama or Palin?"

Uhhh, who exactly is running for President?

Continues to show what a huge gap there is at the top of the respective tickets in terms of experience and readiness to lead.

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Susan" and "cokomo":

In your quest to avoid any and all lies from policitians, how many times did you vote for Bill Clinton?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

In an attempt at bipartisan unity, can I at least get my Democrat friends to agree that conservatism is winning over liberalism?

In order to win this election, Obama has had to promise tax cuts for individuals, look at extending the Bush tax cuts for business, embrace charter schools, and one-up Bush in promising to further expand the Bush faith initiative.

We can at least agree, can't we, that a true liberal (or at least one who will publicly admit their liberal views) can't win a Presidential election?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Kay Decker:

We probably disagree whether unborn children are "alive" or "dead" too. See ya!

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Dear Dobbs:

Could you also run a Fact-Checker on how many times Joe Biden took deferrments and refused to serve his country while John McCain was being tortured in a Hanoi prison cell?

I think those are the kind of FACTS non-partisan reporters and voters alike would be interested in....

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

In an attempt at bipartisan unity, let's agree that Congress AND Gov. Palin both "stopped" the Bridge to Nowhere ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

To dbw: Fewer people means less infrastructure needed. I understand what you're saying about the vast size of Alaska making certain types of infrastructure more numerous (such as the total miles of highway that might need to be built). But let's face it, when you compare Alaska to states like California, Texas, Pennsylvania or New York where infrastructure needs such as public transportation projects, sanitation projects, highway projects, etc. are spread out over more people but in a more confined area, you've just leveled the playing field. Alaska may have far more square miles than any of those states, but those other states all have lots more people to accommodate and cars on the roads when compared to Alaska. So the math doesn't add up when Alaska receives so much more per person in federal funds than a very populous state such as California. The criticism of Ted Stevens has long been that he is so powerful that he has managed to waste of lot of federal taxpayer money by funneling it back to Alaska for wasteful and unnecessary projects. Which brings us back to the Bridge to Nowhere. ...

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

dbw:

I would like to see Palin bring that up to his face on October 2nd.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Jake D - You sound like the Monty Python dead parrot sketch.

Posted by: Jerry | September 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD: Not knowing you from the average stranger on the street, I have no idea whether you believe unborn children are "alive" or "dead." But I'm sure that we can both agree that has nothing to do with Sarah Palin's lies regarding her support/lack of support for the Bridge to Nowhere. Please try to stay on topic. I realize that your own support for Sarah Palin and her lies regarding the Bridge to Nowhere must be in its final death throes, but please try to remain focused.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

...To all of the sad RNC clowns who think that we are afraid for the election and peeuuu Palin..

...how about you morons realizing that McCaint is nuts and letting a sophmore governor of the least populated state can run a nation of almost 300 million...

.....you idiots love lies so much you believe them to be true , but then you forget the lies you once said and make up new ones when you forget about the last ones you have just uttered out of your halitosis encrusted mouths....

Heres a good one "Palin had foreign policy experience because Alaska is next to Russia.."

...What a pathetic and stupid thing to utter out of this '72 ford maverick (Old, rusty and bad on gasoline)

I found this stupid statement not only howlingly funny but very frightening...

As it that weren’t enough, John McCaint offers one of the most deceptive lines of his entire campaign, stressing four times that Alaska is America’s “largest state.” Geographically speaking, yes, McCaint is right.

But in real terms — such as population (683,478) and nominal GDP ($44 million) — Alaska ranks near the very bottom, at 47th and 45th, respectively.

These semantic games are laughable. I wonder if the campaign realizes how foolish he sounds.

Another amazing quote:

“So she is experienced. She’s talented. She knows how to lead and she has been vetted by the people of the state of Alaska. But most importantly, people in America want change. They don’t want somebody from inside the beltway.”

If the American people want change — which is the one thing in the entire interview John McCaint actually gets right — why the hell would they elect someone who has been part of the Washington establishment for 25 years?!?!!!?

Does he even hear the words that are coming out of his mouth?

But wait, we’re not done. Check out this one:

GIBSON: But you criticized, for a long time, Sen. Obama based on his lack of experience. […] Jan. 6, I’m quoting you, “Sen. Obama does not have the national security experience and background to be president.”

MCCAINT: I said he didn’t have the judgment.

GIBSON: Sarah Palin does?

MCCAINT: I said that he didn’t have the judgment. He doesn’t have the judgment. He didn’t have the judgment on Iraq. He still refuses to acknowledge that the surge has succeeded. Gov. Palin knows the surge has succeeded. She’s the commander of the Alaskan National Guard. He said that Iran was a tiny problem. He’s never visited south of our border. He has no experience on these issues.

Leave aside for the moment the fact that McCaint is just spitting out nonsensical one-line lies, and focus on the two bits I highlighted.

John McCaint seems to believe that the history of our involvement in Iraq begins in January 2007, when the surge began. Because if we go back to the real start of the war in 2002, he would look like a fool saying Obama doesn’t have the judgment on Iraq considering he predicted exactly what the consequences of an invasion would entail. Secondly, and this is a talking point that needs to be forcefully blown out the water, Sarah Palin has NOTHING/ZERO/ZILCH/NADA to do with “commanding the Alaskan National Guard.” It’s a nice-sounding talking point, but it is a bald-faced LIE.

Either McCaint is dumb,and in the throws of dementia heading on a path the full blown Alzheimers, or he thinks we are.

Either way, McCaint and peeuu Palin are unfit to serve.

...But maybe the 6 am breakfast at Denny's

Posted by: AlexP1 | September 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear Kay Decker:

I'm a Republican, and you will have no problem getting me to agree that guys like R-Ted Stevens have abused the earmark process (although not as much so as Democrats like H Byrd from W Virgina).

So, want to talk about Obama's abuse of earmarks targeted toward HIS donors and special interests? Or are you guys starting to realize the fallacy of engaging in the our-Presidential-candidate-vs-your-Vice Presidential-candidate debate? :o)

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

dbw (from Wikipedia):

Biden attended the University of Delaware in Newark, where by his own later description he was a lazy student; he graduated with a double major in history and political science in 1965, ranked 506th of 688 in his class. Biden went on to receive his J.D. from Syracuse University College of Law in 1968, where by his own description he again underperformed and ranked 76th of 85 students.

Biden received five TOTAL student draft deferments during this period, with the first coming in late 1963 and the last in early 1968, at the peak of the Vietnam War. In April 1968, he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as not available for service due to having had asthma as a teenager.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

AlexP1:

Are you claiming that Alaska GOVERNOR Palin is not the “commander-in-chief" of the Alaska National Guard?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

We Republicans know how to SPIN SPIN SPIN ... and Democrats get DIZZY ... We steal their platform ... we repeat what they say and it always sounds better coming from a Republican.

Tha's how we win baby ... and if it anin't broke ... we will do it again for Karl the Master Rove.

Look at how we got the American to eat out of our hands ... GW the "Compassionate conservative" ... the guy you would like to have a drink with ... rather than weak and boring Al Gore. It worked!!

Now we have Sarah the lion hearted ... she like to be called a baracuda ... but her populous will take us all the way.

Posted by: HappyDays Again | September 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Palin did not tell Congress 'No thanks' to the Bridge. Congress told her, 'No earmark.' Palin never asked Congress to take back the money, nor even to remove its earmark status. CONGRESS decided to just give Alaska the money and let them decide how to use it. This is, in fact, BETTER for Palin - now, insead of getting $223 million Federal dollars and a mandate of how to use it, she gets $233 million and can use it however she darn well pleases.

Can someone explain to me how this represents reform? Because quite frankly, I'm not seeing it.

Posted by: Chredon | September 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

HappyDays:

Did you seriously just say that the Republicans stole the Democrats platform? Can you explain what Democrat positions John McCain is espousing on which issues?

In the meantime, you might also want to read up on your candidate and all the conservative positions he's trying to co-opt (faith initiative, charter schools, tax CUTS, etc) since he knows he can't win running as a true Democrat.

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh, who exactly is running for President?

Continues to show what a huge gap there is at the top of the respective tickets in terms of experience and readiness to lead.

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I think the reason for this is that Palin is all McCain has. If she fell off the ticket today, the race would be over. The thing that's propping him up even with Obama right now is the surge of support for her. Obama is doing the right thing in addressing the hype that has propelled her to super-stardom, and he's doing it very carefully so that nobody can cry foul and hide behind gender like they did last week.

Once the shine is off of her halo, I would not be surprised if the numbers go back toward their pre-convention positions. Obama's race right now is all about carefully painting The Real Sarah Palin, and McCain's race is all about keeping the hype alive for 56 more days.

Posted by: Joe | September 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Chredon":

You obviously don't have a good understanding of how the earmark process works. If a governor refuses to take earmarks set aside for their state, no matter their original intention, that money would not go back to us taxpayers...it would go to another state.

What governor would ever be acting in the best interests of their constituents (which is their job by the way) to turn down federal money sent their way? Even the best-intentioned Democrat governor like mine in Ohio would be bludgeoned at the polls next time around if we voters found out he did that!

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"Once the shine is off of her halo, I would not be surprised if the numbers go back toward their pre-convention positions."

Agreed, to some extent. Obama had a wide margin before the conventions, which has not only been erased but most polls are putting McCain a few points ahead. It will have nothing to do with Sarah Palin's "halo", but as with all post-convention 'bounces' McCain's new-found lead will erode a bit and we'll settle back near even....and I predict a close race until the end.

Isn't it interesting, though....outlets like the Washington Post rely on polls to generate news stories all year long....but as soon as the polls swing away from their preferred candidate, the tune changes. How many time have we heard over the past 1-2 days since McCain surged ahead that "well, these polls don't matter much" after they used them for the past 9 months to tell all of us how wonderful Obama is?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Chredon:

The project was still $329 million short -- Gov. Palin decided to pull the plug on that -- any more questions?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

dbw:

Don't worry. As soon as Dobbs uses the next Fact Checker to bash Obama-Biden, their tune will change ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Serious, honest question for Democrats: do you think Obama blew it somewhat by picking Biden as his running mate?

My feeling is that if Obama had picked Hillary (or any other female Democrat, like the fairly popular governor of Kansas) there is no way McCain could have picked someone like Sarah Palin without being called a 'copycat'. And if McCain had picked a "safer" choice, such as Tom Ridge or Pawlenty (i.e., another white guy), there's no way he would have received the surge that Palin has brought.

So in a way, didn't Obama bring this on himself to some extent? Just wonder what Democrats are thinking....

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The double mavericks seem to be running with the Republican the herd when it comes to the truth. McCain and Palin have adopted the time honored Republican tactic of telling the big lie, repeating it over and over until the weak minded believe it. It worked for Bush and Cheney. McCain and Palin are just more of the same.

Posted by: Electric Bill | September 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

@JakeD

It is a significant factual error

Congress killed the bridge project. Sarah Palin said she wasn't going to resurrect it with Alaska's money, but she kept the down payment on the bridge anyway.

If this was a qualification for the title of "anti-pork politician" she would have returned the money. Instead she spent hundreds of millions of dollars of federal money on local state projects. That is pork barreling defined.

Posted by: lolerlol | September 9, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

One more thing I find interesting about the respective VP choices. Say what you will about Sarah Palin's experience, but I think I could make a convincing case that she at least lines up fairly well with the vision and message John McCain is running on (regardless of what you think of that message or vision).

Could an Obama supporter take a stab at demonstrating how Joe Biden lines up with the vision and message that Barack Obama has been preaching for the past year and a half?
- Change: Joe Biden has been in Washington longer than John McCain.
- End Iraq War: Biden's proposal was panned by all sides and would have required troops to stay much, much longer
- Unity: Joe Biden has been one of the most divisive forces in the Senate, acting to block even non-controversial judicial appointees.

Any takers on describing how Joe Biden reflects the message Obama is campaigning on?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The dems have an 7% margin of error in ohio. It is unlikely they will lose this election.

Posted by: FTW | September 9, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Electric Bill / lolerlol:

It's not a "big lie" / "significant factual error" because Congress wounded (mortally?) the bridge project -- I thought your side didn't believe in resurrection -- Palin took the final shot.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Bottom Line: Palin effectively pulled the plug on this. Politicians are supposed to spin this sort of thing positively and in this case, they feel it strikes a chord with their base. So what!?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it interesting, though....outlets like the Washington Post rely on polls to generate news stories all year long....but as soon as the polls swing away from their preferred candidate, the tune changes.

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I don't see that the Washington Post is trying to make a case at all, although maybe I'm not looking hard enough. Certainly Obama is saying polls don't matter, and the Washington Post (and every other news outlet) is quoting him on that. Does that mean the media is biased?

As for Palin, a lot of the lead that she picked up was from the middle. There's definitely a chance she will hold on to these voters, but she originally captured them as the 'fresh, new blood' candidate that was all about fiscal responsibility, common sense, apple pie, etc. As they learn more about her, I think they will find she is not so different from every other politician and has a lot of views that don't align well with the typical moderate. That may send many of them back to the unclaimed pile. Either way, it'll be interesting to see.

Posted by: Joe | September 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Bottom Line: Palin effectively pulled the plug on this. Politicians are supposed to spin this sort of thing positively and in this case, they feel it strikes a chord with their base. So what!?

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Here's what -- Palin wasn't supposed to be a 'politician'. She billed herself as the new proto-governor who was above all of the waste and corruption. She's supposed to be the new sheriff in town that is going to bust up the old establishment.

That was the message she intentionally sent, and it is a complete fabrication. She *is* the old establishment. She is just like every other politician except for the fact that she collects more federal money per-capita than any of them.

Here's the real bottom line. Not only is she not the person she claimed to be, but she's clearly a person willing to stand up and mislead the nation into believing she is. There is nothing new about that.

Posted by: Joe | September 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Joe, if this, (plus all the other half baked mini scandals reported daily on Palin), is all you can fault her for, then she really isn't anything BUT new.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

dbw says, "In an attempt at bipartisan unity, can I at least get my Democrat friends to agree that conservatism is winning over liberalism?"

Is this part of a comedy sketch? It must be. If anything, this country is becoming more and more liberal every day. Just look at how many more Democrats voted in the 2008 primaries, as opposed to the number of Republicans that voted! Plus, you can see that views on social issues are trending towards a more tolerant public that would rather allow people to live their lives freely, as they choose. True, we do still have pockets of citizens who want to dictate how everyone else lives their lives. But they are quickly becoming a distinct minority ... which can only be good for the rest of America!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Kay
Primary turnouts reflected the division within the Democrat party over who is their best offering this cycle.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Joe:

Kinda like Barack "My Muslim Faith" Obama?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Kay Decker:

How many of those "Democrats" voting in the 2008 primaries were part of Operation CHAOS or Hillary supporters who are going to vote for McCain (especially after it was obvious that he would be the GOP nominee)?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Kay Decker....misses the point, again.

I said conservative thought is winning over liberal thought. Party politics is something completely different. Democrat primary turnout aside, a Democrat can only get elected president today if he or she embraces traditionally conservative ideas such as school choice, tax cuts, including evangelicals, etc, like Obama has.

Compare that to Republicans who can still win even if they embrace even the most conservative of ideology, and Republicans never have to appeal to liberal ideology (more government, higher taxes, etc) in order to win votes in a broad election.

You are partially correct on one point, though. The DNC platorm would make for a good comedy sketch :o).

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

To dbw: I think that you have this debate notion all wrong. For the record, I don't mind at all a dabte concerning the two tickets. But you get it wrong when you think that Democrats are engaged in a "our-Presidential-candidate-vs-your-Vice Presidential-candidate debate?" Obama v. Palin? There is no such debate. Obama v. McCain? That's a debate. And Obama wins, because McMain has not been true to himself for the past 8 years, and has become an unprincipled, meek, mealy-mouthed, beholden serf to the Republican party ... playing along nicely for the last 8 years and pledging his undying fealty to his master, Bush ... all so that he can have the nomination in '08.

Actually, there is one aspect of the McCain-Palin ticket that I find very humerous: McCain has become such a non-entity in the last 8 years that he's being run over by Palin. And I love it! He has taken on the persona of being part of the Palin entourage. Which is great, because there will come a point in this election when Palin has to be more steak than sizzle and, let's be honest, she's just not up to the task. So far, she's been nothing but sound bites from prepared scripts. But when the press and the public finally go after her like the raw meat that she is, she'll break like a twig. Brilliant decision on McCain's part ... to put all of his eggs in Palin's basket on the hopes that he will look like a progressive by nominating a woman!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Joe or Kay:

Either one want to take the challenge of describing how Joe Biden fits Obama's vision for America?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

truly good comedy....first you guys kept harping that Sarah Palin wasn't experienced enough to be a 'heartbeat from the presidency'. Now you are saying she is part of the "old establishment", just like other politicians, which obviously implies she's as ready to be Vice-President as Joe Biden.

So which is it?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

To Anonymous: 36,000,000 Democrats didn't vote in the primaries because of "who is their best offering this cycle." 36,000,000 Democrats voted because they are more than ready for a change from what we've had over the last 8 years. The fact that Democrats are still hungering for change is what will get even more Democrats to the polls in November. Republicans, on the other hand, haven't been motivated at all this past primary season ... and that's because, with the exception of one or two outlier candidates (who didn't stand a snowball's chance of hell of getting the nomination), the only thing that Republicans were voting for in the primaries was the third Bush term.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I am Joe Biden. I am a senior pitbull without lipstick.

Posted by: Biden | September 9, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: What do you do for a living that allows you to post comments throughout most of the day on most of the political articles on this website?

Does your employer know? Or, do your employees know? If you are self-employed, how can I possibly earn the honor of being an apprentice at posting comments on the WaPo website defending conservative candidates? All the while, earning a paycheck. Amazing.

I am oddly impressed.

Posted by: Switters | September 9, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I am retired, with plenty of time to waste here (sorry, buddy, there are no shortcuts in life ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough.

Posted by: Switters | September 9, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin:

Raised taxes as the Gov. of Alaska

Misled America about the Bridge to Nowhere, in her first national speech (She fully supported it and only killed it after the funding was cut anyhow) and continues to do so as many as four times a day on the campaign stump. She never returned the funds for the Bridge to Nowhere.

A 2006 question to Governor Palin …”Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?”
Answer: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”

Wants to teach creationism in Science Class, subverting the US Constitution

Tried to get books banned at the local library

Fired her entire staff 10 days into term as mayor, for lack of loyalty

Used every available lever to get an enemy fired from his job, and is still lying about it

Put a gag order on her administration as mayor of a town of 6500

Milked the Federal Government for huge series of earmarks, by using Jack Abramoff lobbyists. The highest per capita earmarker in the nation: Palin (27 Million for a town of 6500)

Charged 52 earmarks valued at $256 million in her first year as Alaska Governor and 31 earmarks valued at $197 million this year. Considerably HIGHER than Barrack Obama’s Eamark list he released in March of 2008 in the spirit of transparency.

Billed taxpayers in Alaska $43,490 for staying in her own home.

Touts the need to address special needs children but only did so by stepping in at the last minute to support a bill that she was chided for NOT supporting previously despite her sister having a child with autism.

Doesn’t believe in Global Warming

Used Alaska First as her campaign slogan, which is the same one as her husband’s old party, the AIP, a secessionist organization she recorded a supportive piece for this year! She was also the keynote speaker for AIP on several occasions and her husband was an ardent supporter and member of AIP.

The AIP founder Joe Voglar once stated, “I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." and "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."

Wants to ban stem cell research

Is on the record stating the Iraq war ”Is a task from God.”

In July when interviewed about the possibility of being the VP she stated that she did not know what the VP did.

Left her town Mayoralty with a huge debt, having outspent all around in her (21 MILION in debt)

And, perhaps worst of all, Palin would insist that my 14 daughter carry and birth a rapist’s child


Does anyone else find it utterly amazing, mind numbing and surreal that the republicans are running on a change platform borrowed from Obama to storm their own castle??!! Repub chant...."We suck, We Suck but NOW Were Different." This cranky guy cant even operate the internet to read your opinion. But change is coming......ya right like what more trickle down economics, fear mongering, politicizing 9/11 and questioning patriotism? Privitizing anything and everything to line the pockets of your friends? Lying repeatedly to the American people, 3 TRILLION in debt and POOF! A new republican party!!!! transformed from the last eight years and catapulted into the future! Yippeee like Slim Pickens riding the bomb through the sky in Dr Strangelove. Hello Joe Mccarthy is that you? Mr. McCarthy would be proud. So would David Blaine. Abracadabra!!

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 9, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin is about issues. Sen. Obama and his people are the ones who brought up the inexperience "card", so they are only getting what they want when Gov. Palin references Sen. Obama's many years of executive INexperience.
"Executive Experience" comparisons between Gov. Palin and the two Dem. nominees are not fair to Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden... but they asked for it!

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Posted by: Leo Pierson | September 9, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

feastorafamine:

Since THIS thread is only about Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere, thank you for agreeing with me that she did, indeed, kill it. If you could convince everyone else, I would be happy to discuss the other issues you've brought up.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

The hoopla about the "Bridge to nopwhere", is utterly misleading. Most of the comments about it indicates certain bias and an ill concieved notion which fellow Democrats are calling a snale. Is this a snake is hard to swallow or figment of our imagination. We recognize that the appropriated money for the bridge was a part of transportation infra-structure. I am sure a State can reallocate the funding as deemed necessary. So Gov. Palin hasn't erred. Can any fellow democrat find more subtantaive unbiased issue. Lets rise from pettiness and look forward for the betterment of USA.

Posted by: aristocrat | September 9, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I actually have to take my hat off to JakeD. You annoy the crap out of me but that's really the point on the internet, isn't it?

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

teh internets:

Thanks -- that's certainly what I get paid to do ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Since THIS thread is only about Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere, thank you for agreeing with me that she did, indeed, kill it. If you could convince everyone else, I would be happy to discuss the other issues you've brought up.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 7:26 PM

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Did you even bother to READ the above article? Did you notice that her "killing it" was a mute point given it was already dead and no longer a popular project to fund? Is it of any consequence that she SUPPORTED it ardently for nearly two years before she noticed which way the political wind was blowing? What about the other issues i brought up? You couldnt comment on them? What are you waiting for an invitation from me in the mail? Go for it Jake......its tough to talk about "issues" when the issues make your candidate look like George Bush in a skirt. Please by all means let me know which of the long list of issues you would like to discuss.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I get paid to build the internet. I'm currently trying to reconcile hating the fact that I give you a bigger audience vs. wondering how to get a bigger cut.

Interesting times we live in :D

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

How exactly does one get a job as a professional internet troll anyway. That sounds far more entertaining.

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to do their research. Sarah Palin did stop the project in it's tracks. Obama and Biden supported the building of the bridge and isn't it the role of the Gov. to get as much funding as possible for your state and for your people. It would seem like the Dems should have cut off the bridge to nowhere in DC, instead they supported it, just like they support a lot of un-earmarked spending. John McCain didn't vote with Bush 90% of the time, he supported Presidential policy 90% of the time. The Dems supported Bush's policy 70% of the time. As a party, the Reps. supported Bush 99% of the time. What Dems don't talk about, I don't blame them, is what John McCain didn't support...what about that other 10%. It's a stupid argument. John McCain was quoted saying he wanted to "Change" washinton when he last ran for office...so...It's really Obama who has taken the idea from McCain. I'm not so concerned about 8 more years of the same, I just hope we don't have 2 more years of a Democratic Congress. When did gas prices start to go up? When did the value of the dollar start to really tank? When did we start our housing crisis? Its amazing how a troop surge works, when every Dem said it wouldn't and now say it worked better than ever imagined. Well Dems, stop imagining things, we need to come together as a country and actually work hard and get things done.

Posted by: Aaron | September 9, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to do their research. Sarah Palin did stop the project in it's tracks. Obama and Biden supported the building of the bridge and isn't it the role of the Gov. to get as much funding as possible for your state and for your people. It would seem like the Dems should have cut off the bridge to nowhere in DC, instead they supported it, just like they support a lot of un-earmarked spending. John McCain didn't vote with Bush 90% of the time, he supported Presidential policy 90% of the time. The Dems supported Bush's policy 70% of the time. As a party, the Reps. supported Bush 99% of the time. What Dems don't talk about, I don't blame them, is what John McCain didn't support...what about that other 10%. It's a stupid argument. John McCain was quoted saying he wanted to "Change" washinton when he last ran for office...so...It's really Obama who has taken the idea from McCain. I'm not so concerned about 8 more years of the same, I just hope we don't have 2 more years of a Democratic Congress. When did gas prices start to go up? When did the value of the dollar start to really tank? When did we start our housing crisis? Its amazing how a troop surge works, when every Dem said it wouldn't and now say it worked better than ever imagined. Well Dems, stop imagining things, we need to come together as a country and actually work hard and get things done.

Posted by: Aaron | September 9, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Aaron:

Thanks (good luck convincing anyone here that Palin could do ANYTHING right).

teh internets:

The times are always interesting. I don't get paid in earthly rewards anymore, so I can't help you with that ; )

feastorafamine:

I did read the article, and I have stated my disagreement with three Pinocchios -- the bridge was not "already dead" although I will agree it was no longer a popular project to fund -- please READ my comments and then let me know if you have any questions. Thanks.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

The bridge was only "mostly dead".

(Kudos to "The Princess Bride")

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

No wonder McCain and the dog-handlers won't let the press near Palin; she probably can't keep the lies straight under such scrutiny!

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Morning Coffee | September 9, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"See, there's a big difference between mostly dead, and all dead. Now, mostly dead: he's slightly alive. All dead, well, with all dead, there's usually only one thing that you can do."

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Black and Bitter Like Morning Coffee:

You are aware that Charlie Gibson is going to interview this week, right? Last I checked, he was a fully-credentialled member of the press.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd call you my nemisis but I don't have the skill to compete. I just need to remind myself I shouldn't read random user posts on the internet about any topic, much less politics (maybe I'll switch to religion--that's usually a fairly tame topic)

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Hi everyone I have a photo of Sara Palin's nose growing longer!

http://temi.wordpress.com/2008/09/09/sarah-palins-lies-about-the-bridge-to-nowhere/

Posted by: Temi | September 9, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

teh internets:

Try COMBINING religion and politics, then post about that ; )

Temi:

That's nice -- do you have any ACTUAL FACTS backing up the claim she has lied in any way about the "Bridge to Nowhere"?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Jake
Actual facts? Like you mean like a Palin quote? a voting record? Because ummmm ya we have those. I guess the fact the virtually the entire journalistic community has now fact checked and debunked Palin's lies is lost on you. Probably part of that liberal bias in the media you repubs are always complaining about.

A 2006 question to Governor Palin …”Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?”
Answer: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”

want her voting record next? Even FOX noise has gone on record to state its a blatant lie or at lest a wild stretch of the truth.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 9, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see Obama losing it and calling Palin a "pig with lipstick"? I heard he also questioned McCain's honor, but I haven't seen that video yet.

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Jake I think you lose that one (though it won't stop you and won't help with the pople that don't actually pay attenion--namely most of America). Given McCain referencing Hillary with the exact same phrase and Cheney saying the same about Kerry there's a bit of political freedom there. Spin machine won't agree naturally.

The McCain ad that created the honor response was just kinda bad, but it's politics.

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

To dbw: You really should try to keep track of your own posts. Your exact question was: "In an attempt at bipartisan unity, can I at least get my Democrat friends to agree that conservatism is winning over liberalism?" That is exactly the point that I addressed. Conservatives (who for the most part vote for Republicans) are finding themselves more and more in the minority, and their frustration is really starting to show. (Take, for example, yourself ... begging to have someone agree with your quaint, albeit completely synthetic, notion that "conservatism is winning over liberalism." Sad. Is this what the fierce religious right has been reduced to? Whining for approval of your ideology on comment pages? Sorry that the rest of America cannot oblige!) The U.S. is becoming more and more liberal with each passing election. And that is owed entirely to the poor leadership of the Republican party and their inability to grasp what is most important to Americans. As hard as Newt & Co. tried to wage a campaign to convert most of America to a strict conservative ideology, you can see that America resisted. Newt and most of his "Contract with America" cronies have been given their walking papers by the American people. Your thoughts on what will win a campaign -- and how it relates to being a Democrat v. a Republican -- seem shallow and not very well thought out. Your time would be better spent trying to elect better leaders for the Republican party.

As for your silliness and juvenile assertion that you and I somehow agree that the Democratic platform is fodder for a good laugh, by all means, if that's what gets you through the night, then go ahead and delude yourself into believing that I or any other liberal poster on this site agrees with you. It is just that sort of backward, unthinking mindset that is keeping Republicans in the Dark Ages of American politics.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

wow...i can't spell

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD: "Kinda like Barack 'My Muslim Faith' Obama?" -- I would like to think that sort of remark is beneath any intelligent person. And, indeed, it is! Are you really trying to assert that Obama is a Muslim? After all this time? Is the right still out there beating that same dead horse? Really? Personally, I would hope that honest and intelligent people wouldn't stoop that low ... if for no other reason than to preserve their own self-respect.

Next, you ask, "How many of those 'Democrats' voting in the 2008 primaries were part of Operation CHAOS or Hillary supporters who are going to vote for McCain (especially after it was obvious that he would be the GOP nominee)?" First, how sad is it that people on the right are so desperate to win this election that they would actually waste their own time and energy switching parties ... just to try to spoil a Democratic primary? One's time would be better spent trying to elect better Republican politicians if the right wants to be truly competitive. As someone who voted for Hillary in the primary, what I have to say about the half-dozen Hillary supporters who might possibly vote for McCain is, "It's your vote. Cast it any way you please!" As for the remaining 99.9999999999999998% of the Hillary supporters that are 100% behind Obama, we're pleased to cast our vote for Senators Obama and Biden, especially because we know that they are thoughtful, intelligent men with sound ideas for improving this country. Obama/Biden '08!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry! I was that last "Anonymous" post addressed to JakeD. I don't want to hide behind anonymity!!!!

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

To dbw: You ask Joe or myself to "take the challenge of describing how Joe Biden fits Obama's vision for America?" Here is my response. To begin with, Senator Biden has vast foreign relations experience, which this country has been sorely lacking for the last 8 years. And, no, that is not a Democratic talking point. That is an honest assessment of how the Bush Administration has made horrible and deadly mistakes that have put this country in grave and immediate peril. Unless something is done immediately to stem the tide of ill feelings against America, we stand to lose many of our allies throughout the world. What we need immediately is a thoughtful, intelligent statesman who can address the increasingly more complex foreign affairs -- made even more complex and dangerous by the ineptness of the Bush Administration -- that face our nation and the world. Next, we need a national leader who will embrace Americans of every stripe and who will work to better the lives of each and every citizen of this great country. That means that we need someone who does not put corporate interests first above the people. That means someone who doesn't value secrecy regarding the White House's concessions to Corporate America over the public interests of the people. Finally, we need a man of the people. A man who believes that government is by the people, and for the people. I think that more than any other person who threw his hat in the ring this election season, Joe Biden is that man!

Next question, please.

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I did a piece with complete sourcing on the lies about the Bridge to Nowhere.

Feel free to use it when battling the fraudulent lies of the GOP.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/09/debunking-lies-of-mccain-palin-bridge.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | September 9, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

1 million dollars a day will keep the voters away. Guess who?
1000 sermons by his freind and mentor but did hear the hate for the rest of us. Guess who?
Voted present 160 times. Guess who?
OK did he really understand how it works? If you vote present you are giving up your vote. Those people who voted for him did not get a vote. It was all about taking care of Guess who! not the people he was paid to represent.

Posted by: Jim R | September 9, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD: "Did anyone else see Obama losing it and calling Palin a "pig with lipstick"? I heard he also questioned McCain's honor, but I haven't seen that video yet." REALLY! Get hold of yourself, Jake! This has gone beyond being just sad and pathetic, and has now moved onto being slightly psychotic. You sit around and dream up these nonensical lies, then post them here in the hopes that someone somewhere will actually believe this drivel. Have a little self-respect, man. Stop these idotic posts!

Oh my God! It just came to me. You're really Ann Coulter, aren't you?!?!?!?!?!?

Posted by: Kay Decker | September 9, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

JakeD | September 9, 2008 1:33 PM

Who was she telling "Thanks but no thanks to"? By your own words the language of the earmark had already been changed and the bridge designation removed. However, as a compromise to Stevens, Alaska was allowed to keep the money. That was November 2005. Were they still planning to to use the money for the bridge? Seems imprudent and unethical.

So who was she saying "no thanks" to.

And "if we wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves." Well the cost increased and Alaska was going to have to pony up some bucks (but remember, the bridge designation ws already removed from the language of the earmark)so the shortfall would have to be state funds..

So I guess Alaska didn't want that bridge so much if they had to come up with any money.

"The governor made the decision 'simply because the project wasn't a prudent use of state funds,' said Palin spokeswoman Sharon Leighow."

It was evidently "prudent" when it was federal funds.

Now that brings us to another earmark for the Gravina Island Highway. The language of that one wasn't changed so if the highway wasn't built, Alaska would have to return the money.

The Gravina Island Highway was supposed to be attached to that Bridge-to-nowhere. It's still being built and will terminate on an empty beach.

Perhaps that's the one she should have said "no thanks" to.


Posted by: Sandy | September 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

1 million dollars a day will keep the voters away. Guess who?
1000 sermons by his friend and mentor but he did not see the truth behind the man until now. Guess who?
Voted present 160 times. Guess who?


OK did he really understand how it works? If you vote present you are giving up your vote. Why would you do that.

Those Americans who voted for him did not get a vote.

It was all about taking care of Guess who! And not taking care the people he was paid to represent.

On Nov 4th Guess what he loses!

Posted by: Jim R | September 9, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Palin called herself as pitbull with lipstick. At least a pig is nicer.

Posted by: Sandy | September 9, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

It would be refreshing to see equal time and effort digging into Sen. Obama. He's been given such a pass on any real truth detecting by the media. It's a shame. My guess is many of you would enjoy doing solid journalism that is non-partisan, but you clearly must adhere to the liberal-group mentality. Even when reporting facts you manage to get your angle in there.

Posted by: VAThinker | September 9, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Sandy you sound like a pitbull for Obama. Obama says he believes Jesus died for his sins, do you believe that Jesus died for your sins? I believe he died for my sins and the sins of the whole world. But I also know that he is alive today. And it's his will that all men be born again through his spirit. So you can see the Kingdom of God. I did it in 1975 before all this hate started. Hope to see you in heaven.

Posted by: Jim R | September 9, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin:
Raised taxes as the Gov. of Alaska
Misled America about the Bridge to Nowhere, in her first national speech (She fully supported it and only killed it after the funding was cut anyhow) and continues to do so as many as four times a day on the campaign stump. She never returned the funds for the Bridge to Nowhere.
A 2006 question to Governor Palin …”Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?”
Answer: “Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”
Wants to teach creationism in Science Class, subverting the US Constitution
Tried to get books banned at the local library
Fired her entire staff 10 days into term as mayor, for lack of loyalty
Used every available lever to get an enemy fired from his job, and is still lying about it
Put a gag order on her administration as mayor of a town of 6500
Milked the Federal Government for huge series of earmarks, by using Jack Abramoff lobbyists. The highest per capita earmarker in the nation: Palin (27 Million for a town of 6500)
Charged 52 earmarks valued at $256 million in her first year as Alaska Governor and 31 earmarks valued at $197 million this year. Considerably HIGHER than Barrack Obama’s Eamark list he released in March of 2008 in the spirit of transparency.
Billed taxpayers in Alaska $43,490 for staying in her own home.
Touts the need to address special needs children but only did so by stepping in at the last minute to support a bill that she was chided for NOT supporting previously despite her sister having a child with autism.
Doesn’t believe in Global Warming
Used Alaska First as her campaign slogan, which is the same one as her husband’s old party, the AIP, a secessionist organization she recorded a supportive piece for this year! She was also the keynote speaker for AIP on several occasions and her husband was an ardent supporter and member of AIP.
The AIP founder Joe Voglar once stated, “I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." and "The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag. I'll be buried in Dawson. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home."
Wants to ban stem cell research
Is on the record stating the Iraq war ”Is a task from God.”
In July when interviewed about the possibility of being the VP she stated that she did not know what the VP did.
Left her town Mayoralty with a huge debt, having outspent all around in her (21 MILION in debt)
And, perhaps worst of all, Palin would insist that my 14 daughter carry and birth a rapist’s child

Does anyone else find it utterly amazing, mind numbing and surreal that the republicans are running on a change platform borrowed from Obama to storm their own castle??!! Repub chant...."We suck, We Suck but NOW Were Different." This cranky guy cant even operate the internet to read your opinion. But change is coming......ya right like what more trickle down economics, fear mongering, politicizing 9/11 and questioning patriotism? Privitizing anything and everything to line the pockets of your friends? Lying repeatedly to the American people, 3 TRILLION in debt and POOF! A new republican party!!!! transformed from the last eight years and catapulted into the future! Yippeee like Slim Pickens riding the bomb through the sky in Dr Strangelove. Hello Joe Mccarthy is that you? Mr. McCarthy would be proud. So would David Blaine. Abracadabra!!

Last year Mccain said while criticizing health proposals from the Democratic presidential candidates, he said Hillary Rodham Clinton's resembled the failed plan she offered as first lady during the 1990s. "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," McCain of her proposal.

Posted by: feastorafamine | September 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Jim R...get your talking points correct before you push them. It's 'nearly 130 times' not '160 times'. Read the propoganda memo's and get your message straight.

No, Obama didn't call Palin a pig with lipstick. He called McCain that. Given McCain said the same about Hillary's policies and Republicans used the same phrase about Kerry in '04 you really haven't an inch of ground to stand on. Thanks for playing though...we'll send you the home game in the mail.

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Second paragraph was directed toward Kay Decker naturally.

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

William A. connection to Obama? Why, When, Where and How! Did Obama know what was going on in the mind of William A. during the time of the planned attacks? Ask some questions please, media folks. Thanks

Posted by: Jim R | September 9, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

REAL FACT

This week my small and dear son did two questions for me.

- Dad, what is the unique country considered of first world that elected a fool 2 twice?

- And what is the country considered of first world that putting a TRUE PARROTS dressing mini skirt can to change or win a election?

Friends, my son have just 8 years old...

Posted by: Dalmo | September 9, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Dear teh internets,
I heard 160 thanks for the update anyting to help folks make a better decision at the polls.

Posted by: Jim R | September 9, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jim R.

No problem. It all goes comes down to whether it's about issues or personalities. I look forward to spewing competing propaganda points with you (which will likely lead us to some bizzaro world where facts are turned upside down and have no value). I wish I had more time to do this all day.

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

This should have received the FULL GEPETTO, for real.The project was all but dead, but the bill was allready passed before she came into office, she had no say on the issue other than "what do we do with the Money". Before Congress releases thwe money, A state has to show certain documentation, prove numbers and they realized it wasnt near enough, and when she realized it was a fixed amount that couldnt be changed and her state budget would be forced to foot the remaining amount, she said "thanks, but no thanks" for the money to be direct at the bridge project, at which point she, as Goveernor could have released said money back to the Fed's , but decided it could do mighty fine on a few other projects she had in mind.
Quit puttin the lipstick on, Pit Bull. Your lies are bleeding through your oh so sweet smile, and your cute candor are getting a little old.

Posted by: WHAT | September 9, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to mention the bizzaro world is already there and the conservatives are (as always) on the wrong side of it.

Cheers

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like you have a wonderful son. You will know him by the love he shows for others. Hate is a waste of time.

Posted by: Jim R | September 9, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Dear teh internets
Facts are really needed I agree. Maybe everyone on the planet could have a facts only day?
Maybe I am voting for the wrong person after all. An open mind works best with the facts and a kind heart. Obama and McCain are not the answer. We are!

Posted by: Jim R | September 9, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Kay Decker:

You are amusing to read. So basically, Joe Biden fits Obama's vision because he has great foreign policy credentials and is willing to stand up to Corporate America.

You are aware that this is the same Senator who was dubbed "Senator MBNA" back in the day for his unabashed water-carrying for credit card companies based in his state?

And you are aware that the last major 'foreign policy' idea Joe Biden had was a fairly dumb idea for partitioning Iraq, was discredited by both sides, and military experts agreed it would require American troops to remain in Iraq indefinitely?

Obviously you aren't aware of these facts based on your hopeful rhetoric but factually challenged posts :o)

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

from feastorafamine | September 9, 2008 9:22 PM..."Wants to teach creationism in Science Class, subverting the US Constitution Tried to get books banned at the local library"

this is why facts don't matter to many republicans. they want to teach an article of faith as science. I do not a problem with faith and teaching it as faith, but I do have a problem when people say faith should be taught as fact and that any faith has any exaulted place in public government.

Posted by: Bill_Pittsburgh | September 9, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Kay Decker:
"The U.S. is becoming more and more liberal with each passing election."

Really? Then why are the two biggest domestic policy achievements claimed by Bill Clinton the passage of NAFTA and Welfare Reform, both based on conservative economic policies?

Why did Al Gore and John Kerry both lose to an awful evil guy like George Bush...twice... if America is becoming so liberal?

Why is Obama having to tack-right, and boast about a plan to cut taxes, embrace the faith-based initiative started by George Bush, and promise to double spending on charter schools? Obviously you must have misplaced your liberal creed, as none of these items are in there.

Do you have any facts to support your assertion that America is becoming more liberal? Or just more billowy rhetoric, sort of like Obama's speeches?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

HEY YOU DAM REPUBLICANS, WHAT HAPPEN TO MY RETIREMENT AND SAVINGS!!! YOU CAN'T KEEP PRETENDING THAT EVERY IS ROSIE AND HAPPY! THE STOCK PLUNGED AGAIN TODAY AND THE WAR JUST KEEPS GOING ON AND ON AND ON! I DON'T SEE THE DEMOCRATS IN THE WHITE HOUSE YET, THERE IS STILL A DAM REPUBLICAN THERE! ONE OF YOURS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PUT ALL THE BLAME ON!!! AT LEAST GIVE HIM SOME RESPECT FOR TRYING TO IMPLEMENT YOUR CAUSES THE LAST 8 YEARS WHILE THE REST OF THE AMERICANS GET SCREWED! BUT AT LEAST YOU, THE RICH AND THE IGNORANT, ARE HAPPY AND BLISS WHILE THE MIDDLE-CLASS GET MORE AND MORE SQUEEZED BY THE FALLING DOLLAR VALUE!! SO ARE YOU BLAMING THE DEMOCRATS FOR NOT STOPPING YOU FROM CAUSING THIS? IS THAT YOUR EXCUSE? PATHETIC!

Posted by: PISSED | September 9, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between a pitbull and sarah palin ?

The pitbull is more educated. Sorry it's a fact.

Posted by: kim | September 9, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

A pitbull also has more legs to stand on!

Posted by: Bill_Pittsburgh | September 9, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Dear Jim R.

Facts would actually be nice. Unfortunately we're all left to fend for ourselves. Certainly helps us folks that dig for that info constantly but that doesn't necessarily help the majority of America (and when it's all said and in the end won't really change the opinions of us folks that are diametriacally opposed).

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden are nice guys but who in the world can picture them leading America anywhere but down.
Just for fun....Obama calls Biden. Hey Joe what's up. Mr. President Russia is invading another democratric country. Obama to Joe.. well have they seen my latest speech on making friends not enemies. Mr. President this is a real crisis I need help could you give me some ideas about your next speech so I could work the media around my other little finger. Obama to Joe is Bill still in town give him a call.
The END of America as we have loved it!
Now it's your turn.

Posted by: Jim R | September 9, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

your narative was complete fiction, you know that, right?

Posted by: Bill_Pittsburgh | September 9, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The part that pisses me off about the Georgia situation is that a damn communist country can claim via propaganda that they had more justification invading Georgia than we had going into Iraq. That's a blatant failure of our current administration.

I can very easily see Obama and Biden restoring our completely broken reputation and standing around the world and being able to galvanize something resembling international support for initiatives. Granted, I can see a couple of cardboard cutouts doing better than Bush/Cheney (McCain's offhand comments really haven't helped him much though).

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

On a similar note....McCain's support of the war in Iraq and his comments stating that it would be 'easy' don't really say much in his defense.

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"Satan always has a motive, and it usually results in wasted lives, and elaborate deceptions to bleed the support money from the pockets of traditional Christians, who have been beguiled into tithing or giving to Satan's ministers and Satan's churches."

Why are Palin's children headed for early motherhood, war, a life of dependency instead of training, work, or even the completion of childhood? Why these wasted lives?

Why support the "bridge to no where" & then take the money & keep it for other purposes? Why these elaborate deceptions?
Why did they elope & why do you never see Todd in church? What does he have against Christ's ministers & Christ's churches?

The antiChrist claims to be anointed by God with the Holy Spirit, to be qualified to work in God's name. But he is a false Christ.

Todd Palin even looks like the pictures of Satan we've been shown.

Posted by: Virginia Gal | September 9, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"The pitbull is more educated. Sorry it's a fact."

...and when liberals run out of legitimate arguments, folks like 'kim' resort to ludicrous statements like this. Is that really what you guys are reduced to these days? You can't come up with any legitimate criticisms?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

WHAT said: "as Governor she could have released said money back to the Fed's , but decided it could do mighty fine on a few other projects she had in mind."

Man do you liberals need to retake your high school civics class! A Governor cannot just 'release' appropriated money back to the federal government. It was part of an appropriations bill (approved by Biden and Obama, I might add), and would take an ACT OF CONGRESS for her to give it back....at which point it would just be given to another state.

What Governor, Democrat or Republican, would do that even if they could?

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks "Virginia Gal". You've succeeded in adding absolutely nothing to the discussion....

Posted by: dbw | September 9, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

dbw, the pitbull thing was a joke. sorta like that '*only* a community organizer' thing. why are you attacking a joke?

Posted by: Bill_Pittsburgh | September 9, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

The Bible tells us there will be sycophants and deniers who work alongside Satan to help serve his will. Therefore your derision makes clear the name of your master. People know when something looks too good to be true. And people know in their hearts the face of Satan when they see it. Why wouldn't he come in the form of a husband with a pretty wife? And doesn't that wife actually have trouble hiding the fact that she is mean? Their two oldest children have lives well on their way to being wasted. They are documented to have stolen from the people's treasury in the form of the lobbying money not needed and the travel expenses not allowed. I think the evidence is before you. But I don't know what is in your heart.

Posted by: Virginia Gal | September 9, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

SARAH PALIN IS HOT!!!!......IN BIKINI ............................http://www.vest.com.mk/default.asp?id=156688&idg=8&idb=2469&rubrika=Svet

Posted by: tIM | September 9, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

People face its over Obama is done for.
We need people that will do the job not look for fame. We can't take a chance with the lives of our kids and a weak President

Posted by: Jimmy | September 9, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

My Hat off to Posted by: Aaron | September 9, 2008 7:43 PM

Posted by: Jimmy | September 9, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy

give us facts, not personality attacks!

Posted by: Bill_Pittsburgh | September 9, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin charged woman for rape kits after being attacked and Joe Biden wrote the Violence against woman's act. I think I will vote democrat in November. It's obvious who cares about women's issues in this election and it's not a women.

Posted by: Richard | September 9, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy, you'll have to do better than that. Democrats hold all the aces on every relavent issues. Care to debate them? I'd doubt it as McCain realizes that (and doesn't speak about them at all) and is trying to change the narrative.

Cheers!

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

It sounds to me like her spin on the bridge wasn't simply misleading. She took money from the Federal Government to build the bridge and used it for other projects. She did everything she could to push Congress to fully fund the bridge. Only when the full funding was not forthcoming did she "kill it".

Saying that she's against earmarks and political largess is like saying she studied the history of Western Civilization at Princeton.

All I feel from Senator McCain is cynical political manipulation.

All I feel from Governor Palin is McPain.

Posted by: Remiss53 | September 9, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm from Brazil doing a hard question for all Americans from USA now:

- Who is the author of this brilliant thought "Iraq War was mission of God"?

We want to indicate this person for the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE.

HUGS FOR ALL CONSCIOUS CITIZENS!!!

Posted by: Dalmo | September 9, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I think Senator McCain's pick of Sarah Palin is excellent. All you liberals don't get it... We republicans like to criticize things we're actually doing! For example, swayed by our argument over how Obama's lack of "experience" could be a "danger" to the American people due to our current state of war? Well, I'll tell you what, we'll go find the former mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. Oh, never heard of it? Well it's the 4th largest metropolitan area in the state of Alaska. Still never heard of it? Well, she's the governor of the entire state... Did you know that Alaska actually has less people than 18 other American cities? I know, that is amazing.

And you liberals crack me up. Didn't you know that we conservatives care about family values. The kind of family values in which we can criticize other people for their lack of values but then champion people (of course who we like) who make the same decisions... Pretty sneaky huh?

And can't you liberals get it straight? We are the "less government" party. The kind of party that gets elected into office and then increases government, taxes, beauracracy... and then wastes the money! You see, we spend it giving corporate welfare, fighting nobody-knew-we-needed-to wars, and giving ourselves fancy lunches in Washington bars! It's pretty awesome. You could try it but you're probably too poor.

But here's the thing that we love. Every election cycle, everytime we really need the support of our trusty followers, no matter how much we've screwed up this country that we and they purport to "love", no matter how in debt we are, no matter how badly or often we've lied...

They'll believe us, and elect us. So liberals, educated "elites", understand that in America, it's who can get away with it, not those with the best ideas.

Posted by: An American...And proud of it. USA! | September 9, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

extra 'every' in there. (extra 's' as well)

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Liberal grammatical propaganda. See? Trying to mess up our country one dangling modifier at a time.

Posted by: An American...And proud of it. USA! | September 9, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Damn Skippy (easier to spell when it's less words)

Posted by: teh internets | September 9, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

An American...And proud of it. USA!

No, us liberals are looking to succeed. "Libe-Ral-yay! Libe-Ral-yay!" and we speak our own language in these parts called Liberalese. it is a mixture of speaking truth and anger that everyone else is just too damn bush-whacked to understand the truth!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

If Palin is not ready yet to deal with the local Media how can she be ready to deal with "Yeltsin'.

Is that the only speech that the repub wrote for her to read over and over and over again at all the rally's.........everyday more of the same!! Anoying. bla bla bla .....I said thanks but no thanks....

Can they write a new one for her with different or new lines, it's like a CD that got stuck!!!!

Posted by: sun-angel | September 9, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Sun-angel,

Yeltsin is long gone, ain't he? unless you're referring to her time as Wassila Mayor when she gained international experience while threatening to fish for salmon that once swam in Russian Waters?

Posted by: Bill_Pittsburgh | September 9, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Strange that you've somehow deduced my name as Skippy. I thought naming myself "An American...And proud of it...USA" would have effectively hid my identity as a jar of peanut butter. Funny how irony is apparently lost on you. But no matter.

Ok, try this on for size.

Liberals, grow up. Americans will never elect Obama. Do you know why? We have a nominee that is one step away from a Golden Girl! Bea Arthur eat your heart out. Why should the American trust anyone under the age of 70? Clearly age is the only "true" measure of "experience." In fact, did you know Governor Palin is actually 400 years old?

In any case, we Republicans acknowledge your excitement over Senator Obama. But let me save you the heartache: All his presidency would result in 4 years of vaguely racist sounding criticisms of improvements made in our economy, foreign affairs, national defense, and (lest we forget) the national debt! Who cares if electing our guy would result in what we on inside of the right call, "Bush-Lite"?

Oh, by the way, we like to answer any criticisms with acronymic (not sure if that's a word but I hope you get my meaning) chants. USA! USA!

Posted by: An American...And proud of it. USA! | September 9, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

An American...And proud of it. USA!,

I heard that too. I heard they pulled Gov. Palin out of a sheet of ice that had melted from global warming. she's been frozen away for hundreds of years for this time, her second coming!

Posted by: Bill | September 9, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's be straight, and I can't believe you Liberals claim to be so intelligent because I bet one Green Party member would have caught this but I digress...

Sarah Palin = Chuck Norris

Yep. I realize I just gave away our secret weapon, but hey, if I'm going to be outed as a jar of peanut butter then screw it, I'm going all in.

Posted by: An American...And proud of it. USA! | September 9, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

IS IT “COUNTRY, FIRST”?

Who watched the republican convention and has a minimum of critical vision certainly should be doing the following questions now: Is it “COUNTRY, FIRST”?
In that convention was impressive the low quality of the speeches and the strategies used there. The event seemed a BRAINWASHING in the American people, repeating all time the themes: patriotism, honor and personal sacrifice.
Nobody saw spontaneity of races, classes and young people from USA there. That convention seemed a White Club, or better, a War Club. And to disguise absence of other groups and thus to pass idea of a NATION they used old strategies...
They put some blacks, hispanics, indians in strategic points of the convention for the tv cameras to capture it, and also they used same strategy to other groups too; Another form to disguise it also was putting people holding posters of the type: “Hispanics for McCain”, “Black for McCain”, “Middle class for McCain” and “Students for McCain”.
During the event was showed nice images of the rich state of Alaska, and they spoke on the success of the Palin Government there. But they did not show any images of projects or realizations of her that can be applied and help the Administration of New York, California, Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio and other big states... Nobody understood it!
Why did they not it? If they tried to convince the people in USA that is in the small and rich state of Alaska the solutions for all difficulties in USA: Solutions for the economy, education, security, health care, foreign policy and others.
However they showed images of sagas and wars in the screen, and they spoke on sacrifices and protection to the country almost all time. Then, is in the wars the solutions for USA? Why in no moment of the convention they spoke on solutions of the social and economic problems in USA, or they showed proposals and ways to the peace in the world.
That convention seemed a McCain Tribute or War Club praising all time to the past, or a Rich Club organized to protect first the own money and for last the country. And it had smell of NAPHTHALENE, or better, past with MUSTY SMELL! Where is the present? Future? Therefore “COUNTRY, FIRST” is not done for just one man, past and single line of thought.

HUGS FOR ALL CONSCIOUS CITIZENS!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Thus spoke JakeD:
"So, Dobb: are you saying Gov. Palin is or is not lying about telling Congress "Thanks, but no thanks"? Aren't you admitting she finally killed the project, even though it was stalled in its tracks?

Posted by: JakeD | September 9, 2008 1:15 PM"

If I was a republican, I'd make a crack that JakeD is obviuosly a product of public schools because he can't think or read.

Yes, Michael Dobbs is saying that Palin et al are lying to say she said "Thanks, but no thanks".
Perhaps you have the hidden youtube video where we can see and hear Sarah calling up Congress.

(BTW, where's your soulmate Dianne72?
She seems to have vanished. No doubt, you'll come up with a RushLimbo tale that she was done in by the Clintons, like they did in Vince foster).

Posted by: JakeE | September 9, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

You can put crap in a plain old wrinkled bag or you can put it in a fresh new bag , but it's still a bag of crap.

Posted by: triptomars2008 | September 9, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

There is no God. Life is a combination of the mix of science and random chance and choices that you make along the line.

Posted by: THIS JUST IN | September 9, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

THIS JUST IN,

tell that to the republicans and their 'scorched earth' convention last week.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

A serious note to add,

Palin doesn't fight pork, she embraces it. the average pork per capita by state is $38, while Alaska received $556 per capita. And that was in 2008, the only full year Palin had budgetary control. Their percapita pork is double that of the next highest state.

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2008porkpercap

And she didn't reign in pork under her administration, she just got more of it to come in. Porking spending went up since 2006 in Alaska.

http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=reports_pigbook2006porkpercap

Posted by: Bill_Pittsburgh | September 10, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

JakeE:

I have no idea where Dianne72 "vanished" to. Also, I believe you are incorrect that Michael Dobbs is saying Palin is "lying".

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone mentioned that when the bridge was up for a vote both obama and biden voted for the bridge rather than send the money to katrina. ask fox news it was one their "ticker" last night. I don't know why no one has brought this to light other than the "ticker". check it out!

Posted by: DAR | September 10, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

After reading more of the blogs, I see I am not the only one mentioning Biden and Obama voting for the bridge and not for katrina getting the money. And...she voted NO once she was elected to Govenor position of Alaska. Get this straight!! Don't be so biased. Obama keep beating her up! the lipstick thing was great and the stem cell Biden talked about too! Keep trying to drag her in the mud....we love it, the People, the Voters are getting sick of Obama and O'biden.

Posted by: DAR | September 10, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

The truth is Palin can say and do what ever she wants and the media goes along with it. If any other candidate refuse to answer questions from reporters it would be the most talked about subject all day every day but Palin doesn't get any scrutiny at all. The media needs to do their job.

Posted by: Greg | September 10, 2008 5:57 AM | Report abuse

HAHAHA the "fact checkers" from the Post are here to deliver the truth to us.

Gee, thanks guys!!!

Posted by: Anon | September 10, 2008 6:30 AM | Report abuse

JakeD,
Did you know Hitler never said "Kill all the Jews."
Tha's a fact Jack.

Posted by: JAkeE | September 10, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

FRom Today's Wall Street Journal!

Yes, Palin Did Stop That Bridge
By JIM DEMINT
September 10, 2008

"But, you know, when you've been taking all these earmarks when it's convenient, and then suddenly you're the champion anti-earmark person, that's not change. Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can't just make stuff up." -- Barack Obama, Sept. 6, 2008

In politics, words are cheap. What really counts are actions. Democrats and Republicans have talked about fiscal responsibility for years. In reality, both parties have a shameful record of wasting hundreds of billions of tax dollars on pork-barrel projects.

My Senate colleague Barack Obama is now attacking Gov. Sarah Palin over earmarks. Having worked with both John McCain and Mr. Obama on earmarks, and as a recovering earmarker myself, I can tell you that Mrs. Palin's leadership and record of reform stands well above that of Mr. Obama.

Let's compare.

Mrs. Palin used her veto pen to slash more local projects than any other governor in the state's history. She cut nearly 10% of Alaska's budget this year, saving state residents $268 million. This included vetoing a $30,000 van for Campfire USA and $200,000 for a tennis court irrigation system. She succinctly justified these cuts by saying they were "not a state responsibility."

Meanwhile in Washington, Mr. Obama voted for numerous wasteful earmarks last year, including: $12 million for bicycle paths, $450,000 for the International Peace Museum, $500,000 for a baseball stadium and $392,000 for a visitor's center in Louisiana.

Mrs. Palin cut Alaska's federal earmark requests in half last year, one of the strongest moves against earmarks by any governor. It took real leadership to buck Alaska's decades-long earmark addiction.

Mr. Obama delivered over $100 million in earmarks to Illinois last year and has requested nearly a billion dollars in pet projects since 2005. His running mate, Joe Biden, is still indulging in earmarks, securing over $90 million worth this year.

Mrs. Palin also killed the infamous Bridge to Nowhere in her own state. Yes, she once supported the project: But after witnessing the problems created by earmarks for her state and for the nation's budget, she did what others like me have done: She changed her position and saved taxpayers millions. Even the Alaska Democratic Party credits her with killing the bridge.

When the Senate had its chance to stop the Bridge to Nowhere and transfer the money to Katrina rebuilding, Messrs. Obama and Biden voted for the $223 million earmark, siding with the old boys' club in the Senate. And to date, they still have not publicly renounced their support for the infamous earmark.

Mrs. Palin has proven courageous by taking on big spenders in her own party. In March of this year, the Anchorage Daily News reported that, "Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens is aggravated about what he sees as Gov. Sarah Palin's antagonism toward the earmarks he uses to steer federal money to the state."

Mr. Obama had a chance to take on his party when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid offered a sham ethics bill, which was widely criticized by watchdog groups such as Citizens Against Government Waste for shielding earmarks from pubic scrutiny. But instead of standing with taxpayers, Mr. Obama voted for the bill. Today, he claims he helped write the bill that failed to clean up Washington.

Mr. Obama has shown little restraint on earmarks until this year, when he decided to co-sponsor an earmark moratorium authored by Mr. McCain and myself. Mr. Obama is vulnerable on this issue, and he knows it. That is why he is lashing out at Mrs. Palin and trying to hide his own record.

Mrs. Palin is one of the strongest antiearmark governors in America. If more governors around the country would do what she has done, we would be much closer to fixing our nation's fiscal problems than we are.

Mrs. Palin's record here is solid and inspiring. She will help Mr. McCain shut down the congressional favor factory, and she has a record to prove it. Actions mean something. You can't just make stuff up.

Mr. DeMint, a Republican, is a U.S. senator from South Carolina.

Posted by: Scott | September 10, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

He said it in German though. Don't tell me you are going to claim to not understand English too?

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

From Today's Wall Street Journal!Yes, Palin Did Stop That Bridge
By JIM DEMINT
September 10, 2008

"But, you know, when you've been taking all these earmarks when it's convenient, and then suddenly you're the champion anti-earmark person, that's not change. Come on! I mean, words mean something, you can't just make stuff up." -- Barack Obama, Sept. 6, 2008

In politics, words are cheap. What really counts are actions. Democrats and Republicans have talked about fiscal responsibility for years. In reality, both parties have a shameful record of wasting hundreds of billions of tax dollars on pork-barrel projects.

My Senate colleague Barack Obama is now attacking Gov. Sarah Palin over earmarks. Having worked with both John McCain and Mr. Obama on earmarks, and as a recovering earmarker myself, I can tell you that Mrs. Palin's leadership and record of reform stands well above that of Mr. Obama.

Let's compare.

Mrs. Palin used her veto pen to slash more local projects than any other governor in the state's history. She cut nearly 10% of Alaska's budget this year, saving state residents $268 million. This included vetoing a $30,000 van for Campfire USA and $200,000 for a tennis court irrigation system. She succinctly justified these cuts by saying they were "not a state responsibility."

Meanwhile in Washington, Mr. Obama voted for numerous wasteful earmarks last year, including: $12 million for bicycle paths, $450,000 for the International Peace Museum, $500,000 for a baseball stadium and $392,000 for a visitor's center in Louisiana.

Mrs. Palin cut Alaska's federal earmark requests in half last year, one of the strongest moves against earmarks by any governor. It took real leadership to buck Alaska's decades-long earmark addiction.

Mr. Obama delivered over $100 million in earmarks to Illinois last year and has requested nearly a billion dollars in pet projects since 2005. His running mate, Joe Biden, is still indulging in earmarks, securing over $90 million worth this year.

Mrs. Palin also killed the infamous Bridge to Nowhere in her own state. Yes, she once supported the project: But after witnessing the problems created by earmarks for her state and for the nation's budget, she did what others like me have done: She changed her position and saved taxpayers millions. Even the Alaska Democratic Party credits her with killing the bridge.

When the Senate had its chance to stop the Bridge to Nowhere and transfer the money to Katrina rebuilding, Messrs. Obama and Biden voted for the $223 million earmark, siding with the old boys' club in the Senate. And to date, they still have not publicly renounced their support for the infamous earmark.

Mrs. Palin has proven courageous by taking on big spenders in her own party. In March of this year, the Anchorage Daily News reported that, "Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens is aggravated about what he sees as Gov. Sarah Palin's antagonism toward the earmarks he uses to steer federal money to the state."

Mr. Obama had a chance to take on his party when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid offered a sham ethics bill, which was widely criticized by watchdog groups such as Citizens Against Government Waste for shielding earmarks from pubic scrutiny. But instead of standing with taxpayers, Mr. Obama voted for the bill. Today, he claims he helped write the bill that failed to clean up Washington.

Mr. Obama has shown little restraint on earmarks until this year, when he decided to co-sponsor an earmark moratorium authored by Mr. McCain and myself. Mr. Obama is vulnerable on this issue, and he knows it. That is why he is lashing out at Mrs. Palin and trying to hide his own record.

Mrs. Palin is one of the strongest antiearmark governors in America. If more governors around the country would do what she has done, we would be much closer to fixing our nation's fiscal problems than we are.

Mrs. Palin's record here is solid and inspiring. She will help Mr. McCain shut down the congressional favor factory, and she has a record to prove it. Actions mean something. You can't just make stuff up.

Mr. DeMint, a Republican, is a U.S. senator from South Carolina.

Posted by: Scott | September 10, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Scott:

If Obamaniacs have such a problem understanding that Palin "stopped" the bridge, how about we make it simple for them: she "signed the death warrant" ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Read the posts above, and you'll find you are wasting your time posting that WSJ article that is filled with undisputable facts about Palin's record of slashing unnecessary government spending and, yes, killing the now-legendary Bridge to Nowhere.

The liberals and Palin-bashers on here have no interest in uncovering truth and facts. And apparantly the Post isn't interested that Alaska's Democrat leaders also gave credit to Palin for killing that bridge, as they continue to channel DNC press releases and call it "news".

Posted by: dbw | September 10, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I look forward to the Post's next insightful 'investigative news' piece about Sarah Palin. I hear they found a personal bio she filled out 20 years ago where she claimed WalMart was her favorite store, but the Post now has hidden-camera footage of her pushing a full shopping cart through Costco. Scandalous!!

Posted by: dbw | September 10, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Nothing like having a U.S. Senator completely dubunk this so-called "Fact-Checker" article posted by the Post's Dobbs. How's that swift kick in the teeth feel?

Question is: how many Pinochio's will Dobbs give himself now for the sham Fact-Checker article he copied and pasted from the DNC's press release?

Posted by: dbw | September 10, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse


Why don't you "factcheck" Obama's claim that his Ethics bill, one of two things he ever actually did, has actually worked. Now pols are wined and dined by corporations and lobbyists out of spoons the size of saucers. I take it you all saw ABC News' coverage of this. Party on, Obama. Get it while you can, because women are taking you down.

Posted by: Chicago1 | September 10, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

You can't eat your pork and then say "thanks, but no thanks"

Posted by: Rich Rosenthal | September 10, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Jake D,

You are one of the most obstinate, obtuse individuals I've ever cme across. Do you work for the RNC?

If a doctor pulls the plug on a terminally ill cancer patient, for example, what killed the patient? The cancer or the doctor?

I wouldn't be surprised if you said doctor, because "technically" that's correct. Meanwhile in "reality", that's BS, just like your argument.

Posted by: Jerry | September 10, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

It's time for the media to object to the constant repetition of the half-truths, lies and belittling of opponents, especially as ramped up by Sarah Palin. This is simply a Republican ploy -- they don't think there is time to prove the lies because she will keep you too distracted to check facts -- and meanwhile, they'll have a THIRD BUSH TERM.

Demand that the media make the surrogates (especially Nancy Pfotenhauer, Brad Blakeman, Tucker Bounds and others) ANSWER THE ACTUAL QUESTION with something other than "Obama will..."

On that Bridge to Nowhere?
---
Tell Governor Palin and the State of Alaska to put OUR money where HER mouth is:

http://www.petitiononline.com/giveback/petition.html

This is a petition just started to ask Congress and the President of the United States to request that Gov. Palin and the State of Alaska return the funds that Palin scorns and uses as proof she's a reformer. Since it is a lie -- she must be a liar.

The truth is, by the time she got into office, Congress had already released those funds to Alaska to use on any transportation project in the state... and they did. So Sarah didn't speak to Congress AT ALL. And she never told anyone "Thanks, but no thanks."

It is that kind of exaggeration and swagger than typifies the Republican message both by Palin AND McCain.

Where's the beef?

Do they have NO real accomplishments that are TRUE that they can point to? Or plans and issues they can stand on? And don't co-opt the change message -- get your own.

But honestly, Sarah... if you are REALLY so against those funds... GIVE THEM BACK.

I'm sure the American public can find somewhere to spend the $433,000,000.00 in funding that Alaska received because of that earmark.

Sign the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/giveback/petition.html

Posted by: nobush3rd | September 10, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Ultimately the results of the biggest deceit come to roost and are manifest in a way that that cannot be concealed by petty partisan feces flinging.
Our National prestige is tarnished (agreed by both parties), our economy is thrashed (agreed by both parties), our military is at the breaking point, we have squandered our opportunities for energy independence AND cleaning up our carbon pollution. We still have a heathcare problem and it is only getting worse.
Bottom line:
Republican control of policy of this Country demands change. Change requires repudiation of Republican policies.
Which party can do this most effectively?

Posted by: Rich Rosenthal | September 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Rich.

Re-branding the Republican party 8 weeks out from an election isn't goint to cut it.

If the Republicans are going to feign indignance at the lipstick on a pig analogy, how about this one...

You can't polish a turd.

Posted by: Jerry | September 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for that petition

http://www.petitiononline.com/giveback/petition.html

I suggest everyone vote. Maybe that will force Palin to address the truth!

Posted by: Yeah, Sarah.. give it back! | September 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Jerry! hilarious...

Posted by: nobush3rd | September 10, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

You forgot the lipstick!

Posted by: Black and Bitter Like Coffee | September 10, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Dear 'nobush3rd':

So which is it? First you guys accuse Palin of accepting the earmark for the Bridge to Nowhere. Now you say it all happened and was stopped before she ever got into office.

Since you seem to be so unfamiliar with the facts of what really happened, you might want to do a little more reading outside of the Post blogs first.

Posted by: dbw | September 10, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

While you guys are waiting for everyone to sign your on-line petition, you might want to brush up on US Government 101. Sarah Palin CAN'T give earmarks back. It would take an Act of Congress to reappropriate them since they were allocated to Alaska by law. And since your guys Obama and Biden both voted for giving those earmarks to Alaska, how bad would they look contradicting themselves by voting to take it back? Obviously they thought it was a good idea at one time as well....

Posted by: dbw | September 10, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

BullDogs and Lipstick.

Eight years ago America was presented what on the outside looked like a good-looking, honest, and sincere candidate for president by the mighty Republican Machine. We have all learned since then that the outer image can hide a lying, manipulative, even ignorant Bulldog, on a leash held by big business and oil. The Republican Machine is trying to do it again.

They now have what looks like a lovely looking candidate portrayed as honest and putting on the cloak of the hard working American. But, are you going to fall for it again? As their own words have shown they will adopt any position that they think you will fall for, because they are really lying, manipulative, Bulldogs in lipstick. And that is just John MaCain, what about the rest of his crew?

Posted by: Billings | September 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Analyzed here:
http://senateconservatives.com/2008/09/04/alaska-democrats-credit-pal...


"The Alaska Democratic Party - certainly no fan of Sarah Palin - has weighed
in on this issue. An anti-Ted Stevens website run by the Alaska Democratic
Party says "Ted Earmarked Funds for Bridge that Goes Nowhere" and the "State
of Alaska killed bridge". They go further to credit Governor Palin for
killing the Bridge to Nowhere. The site states: "She said it was clear
Congress had little interest in spending any more money for it and that the
state had higher priorities." (emphasis added) "


Posted by: Frank | September 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Back in college, my mother made a proposition.. If I made Dean's List she'd buy a truck I'd longed for. I garnered A's and B's for the year fulfilling my obligation. Mom gave me $3,500 of the $14,000 total and said she'd make the monthly payments (similar to the initial money appropriated by Congress). We had a huge fight about drinking and coming home late (I was in college, remember) and she withdrew her offer (similar to Congress stopping the bridge funding). So, time to head back to campus and I'm $10,500 short with no source of income (scholarship athletes can't work). The story I was compelled to tell was that I changed my mind on buying the truck. I bought a hoopty, a video game and started a Jordan sneaker collection with my Mom's money.

Can I claim that I said "thanks, but no thanks" and killed this project?
-Mom turned my $ faucet off, like Congress did to Palin
-I said no to paying for it myself, kept the money and spent it elsewhere. Like Palin
-I tried to spin the outcome to my advantage. Like Palin

As soon as Palin realized ALASKANS would have to foot the bill to complete the bridge funding, she changed her tune. What she is saying now is an outright poorly-spun LIE.

Posted by: i.supreme | September 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Here's what "DBW" wrote in the petition:

0. NEGRO BEATING SQUAD LEADER I HATE N1GGERS!1THEY SMELL AND LOOK LIKE MUNKEYS! N1GGER No
419. barrack o`n1gger mah speshul edjukatin teecher sez i iz doin gud cumpard tu da other stoodunz,doh mah spellin sux i mite be kaple ov guitin a jawb az a pehty laborer flippin bugers at mkdonalds cuz dat sound kool! n1gger No
418. Donna Casey the town wh0re MyVAGINIA! is always itchy. Sometimes the itch spreads to myANUS! The itchyest part is my skin betweenANUS! andVAGINIA! There is also a bump on mVULVA! The itch has now spread to myCLITORIS. I am glad I don’t have aPENIS! which i am sure that would not be GOOD! n1ggertown No
417. Donna Casey I love anal.i gow into the bathrum and shut the door and sit on the toilet and rub my C lit and P ussy until im wat and rally H orney. I have a clean plunger i bought, so i stick it ontp the floor with the suction cup end down and put a mans condom over the top of the hendle and lube it up. then i sit on the plunger insarting the handle into my anut and hamp it while i rub my C litAnd findger my passy.

Posted by: dbw is RACIST | September 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

you're a real gem, aren't you dbw... I can see the email addresses and have reported you to the Washington Post.

What a racist slime you are. And that, folks, is REALLY what this election is about... the racists who can't publicly write the kind of stuff dbw wrote in the petition because they are chicken...

but it is WHO they are and WHAT they are. RACISTS. Afraid of anyone who isn't as into self-gratifying porno 5th grade level thought processes.

They are afraid of education because they don't have any. Afraid of intelligence because their IQ is on a level with their putz size... except this dbw may be female... or shemale or something he/she is a afraid of.

COWARD. Why don't you just up and say you hate black people and tell the truth? Or are you like Sarah Palin? AFRAID of the truth and real issues?

Posted by: nobush3rd | September 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

426. Donna Casey I HAVE BIG HAIRY T1TS AND A SMELLY HOLE! n1gAger No


425. joe biden I am 65 years old boy and I want to know more about girls and sex. First question I want to ask is if you can explain to me more about vaginal hole. I am interested into girl’s anatomy, so I need help. Is that really hole in girl’s body or it has just been called? How it possible is that woman gives birth through it? Also can boy toUch it? hee haw No

Posted by: more from dbw | September 10, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Dear 'nobush3rd':

You have just been reported to the Post. Your last few hate-filled posts will be deleted. I've never visited the 'petition' you claim to be quoting me from.

See friends...this is the mind of an Obama backer. Nice.

Posted by: dbw | September 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Per capita. Funny. Projects still cost the same whether your population is 700,000 (Alaska) or 12,800,000 (Illinois) but looks much different broken down per person. Small towns routinely have issues paying for big projects for that reason, and frequently require assistance. A $100,000,000 dollar project for the benefit of 700,000 people works out to a benefit of around $140 per person. That same project works out to a benefit of $7.80 per person for a population of 12,800,000. Gotta love liberal math.

Nice job, washingtonpost.com, I give you 3 Pinnochios as well.

Posted by: Stephanie | September 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

i.supreme... I can't tell if you are for or against Sarah, but I think your story is pretty much the same thing as those earmarks...

Alaska DID keep the funds.

And Frank... just fyi...Ted Stevens (R) is part of the indicted Corrupt Bastids Club (mis-spelling intentional) that Sarah Palin says she fought against? Yeah. He ENDORSED her... and the Republican talking points say "until convicted, he's our guy, too"

Palin:

1) jet on eBay. Sure, but it didn't sell, so she sold it to a broker for $500,000.00 less than it cost

2) then she charged the State $43,293.20 to schlep her passle of kids and her hubby around to events

3) then she charged nearly $20,000.00 "per diem" expenses for 312 days of staying in her own house in Wasilla

4) took a voluntary pay cut as MAYOR of Wasilla from $68,000.00 per yr. to $64,000.00 per yr. while HIRING the first ever City Administrator to do HER job at a cost of $60,000.00 per yr. Call me stupid, but her pay cut cost Wasilla $54,000.00

5) fired the personal chef... not so much. Just gave her a new title and she's still cooking

The bridge reversal is not the only matter throwing doubt on Palin’s credentials as a government waste reformer. Watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense has reported that the small town of Wasilla, Alaska, which had not previously received significant federal funds, hauled in almost $27 million in earmarks while Palin was mayor. (McCain has explicitly criticized several of the Wasilla earmarks in recent years.) To help obtain these earmarks, Palin had hired Steven Silver, the former chief of staff for recently indicted Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, as Wasilla’s lobbyist.

And Palin continued to solicit federal funds as governor. A request form on Stevens’ Web site shows that she requested $160.5 million in earmarks for the state in 2008, and almost $198 million for 2009.

6) Palin: "But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or even a reform, not even in the state Senate."

Of course, who knows what Palin considers major... but if Palin’s own ethics reforms in Alaska were important enough to highlight in her convention address, then it’s only fair to credit Obama’s efforts on that topic.

In 1998 in the Illinois Senate, Obama cosponsored an ethics overhaul that bars elected officials from using their campaign funds for personal use and and was called the the first major overhaul of Illinois campaign and ethics laws in 25 years.

It also bans fundraisers in the state Capitol during legislative sessions.

Obama’s Republican co-sponsor Kirk Dillard even appeared in an Obama ad last summer describing Obama’s skills working with members of both parties to get legislation passed.

In Washington, Obama was instrumental in helping to craft the 2007 ethics reform law that ended gifts and meals from lobbyists, cut off subsidized jet travel for members of Congress, required lobbyists to disclose contributions they “bundle” to candidates, and put the brakes on other, similar common practices.

In addition, Obama’s efforts with Republican senators to help detect and secure weapons of mass destruction and to destroy conventional weapons stockpiles around the world, and to create a publicly searchable database on federal spending.

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Just more lies and exaggerations from the lips of the pitbull in LIPSCHTICK and the McCain campaign headed now by Bush speech writers Steve Schmidt and reknown swiftboater Tucker Eskew (yep, the same one that Bush used AGAINST McCain in 2000)

Guess McCain is REALLY desperate -- enough to compromise what is left of that HONOR he couldn't define.

McCain/Palin? Thanks, uh... but no thanks. That's just a third term for BUSH and Rove.

Been there, done that. TWICE.

Posted by: nobush3rd | September 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Stephanie:

Here's another example of Democrat math: Obama's latest add accusing McCain of wanting to 'cut funding for school programs'. McCain proposed freezing planned increases, and keeping current funding the same.

But in the math of a Democrat, spending the same you did today as you did yesterday is a "cut" if you WANTED to spend more today than you did yesterday.

In unrelated news, I planned on buying a BMW this year, but decided to "slash spending" and only bought a Ford.

Post Fact-Checker? Where are you?

Posted by: dbw | September 10, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

dbw, it's "ad" as in advertising... not "add"

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Here's more of your HONOR McCain:

The McCain campaign is up with a new ad attacking Obama on education that makes some rather strong insinuations about sex:
The ad shows a dreamy-looking Obama as it says:

"Obama's one accomplishment? Legislation to teach "comprehensive sex education" to kindergartners. Learning about sex before learning to read?"

"In a final moment of subtlety, the ad says Obama is "wrong for your family."

According to the McCain campaign's own email, the sex ed claim is based on Obama's support for a bill, in the Illinois state legislature, that said:

"Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV."

As you can see, the McCain ad says that Obama was the one who pushed the "comprehensive sex education" measure.

Actually, this bill would simply add instruction on disease prevention to already existing Illinois sex-ed standards.

But the McCain campaign cheerfully turned this into Obama's support for "learning about sex before learning to read."

And "civil" and "honorable" McCain approved that message.

THAT'S SOME HONOR, from a gutter level candidate who hires the same swiftboating speech writer that Bush used to claim McCain had a black baby, which wasn't true.

You'd think a man of "HONOR" wouldn't want to stoop to the same level. Apparently NOT.

But that's what you get when you elect a third term for Bush/Rove.

Thanks, but NO THANKS, Republicans. BEEN there. DONE that. TWICE.

Posted by: nobush3rd | September 10, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

dbw, inflation exists. No amount of fantasizing on your part will change that.

Posted by: zukermand | September 10, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

When facts fail, the republicans go potty mouthed. It's all they have...

The potty mouths are are failing to understand it is WHAT SHE SAID -- not the earmarks -- that are the issue.

She (actually, SHE didn't do it, Tucker Eskew and Steve Schmidt of Rove fame) has filled her "stump speech" with half-truths (if we're lucky) and lies...

"that luxury jet?" [put on your roseanne barr whiny voice] "I put it on eBay and sold it for a profit"

FACTS: yes, she put it on eBay. But it failed to meet the minimum bid. SO, she used a broker to sell it for $500,000.00 LESS than it cost.

No profit and not sold on eBay. Take away the eBay part and you STILL have the lie of selling for a profit.

"I took a voluntary pay cut and THAT didn't make my husband happy..."

FACT: yes, she took a $4000.00 pay cut AS MAYOR NOT GOVERNOR from $68K to $64K, but then hired a city administrator to actually DO her job at a cost of $60,000.00 a year.

So yeah, she took a cut, then she racked up an additional cost to the city of Wasilla of $54,000.00 -- hardly a REFORM or SAVING MONEY.

"I got that pipeline going in Alaska. Building Alaskan Jobs.. jobs in America"

FACT: You think? That pipeline - she gave the contract to a CANADIAN company: TransCanada. OUT-SOURCED! Just like a Republican.

"I cut earmarks"

FACT: Alaska STILL has the highest per person earmark awards in the United States, but of course, to hear the pitbull tell it, only Obama is getting any pork... not her... but she requested $160.5 million in earmarks for the state in 2008, and almost $198 million for 2009. For the state with only about 700,000 people in it. That is less people than say.. San Bernadino, CA. or Austin, Tx. or Detroit, Michigan.

It's just SPIN and LIES and BS. A complete fabrication that the Tucker Eskews & Steve Schmidts think you are too stupid to recognize in the next 30-60 days.

Once they are in because of the "low information" voters... they are in. Whoopee! another FOUR YEARS of the same BORROW AND SPEND ON WAR, BIG OIL interests running this country.

McCain = BUSH = More of the SAME

NO BUSH THIRD TERM....

Posted by: don't you love the potty mouths? | September 10, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

don't you love the potty mouths?

I haven't seen any Republicans curse here -- you've never been to Democratic Underground -- I challenge you to find a single post of mine where I "go potty mouth". Now, before I address all of your claimed "lies", will you agree that Palin did NOT "lie" about telling Congress "Thanks, but no thanks" to the Bridge to Nowhere (the actual subject of this thread)?

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Republican principles:

* If you’re a minority and you’re selected for a job over more qualified candidates you’re a “token hire.”
* If you’re a conservative and you’re selected for a job over more qualified candidates you’re a “game changer.”

* Black teen pregnancies? A “crisis” in black America .
* White teen pregnancies? A “blessed event.”

* If you grow up in Hawaii you’re “exotic.”
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you’re the quintessential “American story.”

* Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you’re “unpatriotic.... maybe even (gasp) muslim”
* Name your kid Track, you’re “colorful.”

* If you’re a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you’re “reckless.”
* A Republican who doesn’t fully vet is a “maverick.”

* If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.

* If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you’ve got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the geographically closest state to Russia.

* If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an “presumptuous and arrogant celebrity.”
* If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are “energizing the base.”

* If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are “presumptuous.”
* If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a “shoot from the hip” maverick.

* If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are “an elitist-out of touch” with the real America .
* if you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Annapolis , with multiple disciplinary infractions and graduating 5th from the bottom of your class, you are a hero.

* If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an “empty suit.”
* If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an “experienced executive.”

* If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are “extremist.”
* If you believe in creationism and don’t believe global warming is man made, and think the Iraq War is God's Plan... you are “strongly principled.”

* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a Christian.
* If you have been married to the same woman with whom you’ve been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you’re “risky.”

* If you’re a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention because you have no insurance or you can't get a sitter, you’re an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.
* But if you’re a white married mother who waits 22 hours so you can get that special needs child born in Alaska rather than Texas, you’re spunky.

* If you’re a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you “First dog.”
* If you’re a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you “beautiful” and “courageous.”

* If you kill an endangered species by shooting it from a plane, you’re an excellent hunter.
* If you have an abortion, you’re a murderer (forget about it even if it happened while being raped.)

* If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.
* If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are "eroding the fiber and morals of society".

* If you’re a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election.
* If you’re a Democratic Senator who is out of public office and have an affair, your political career is over and your wife who has terminal cancer is to blame.

* If you are black, unmarried and decide to keep your child when you give birth, you're a "baby mama"
* If you are white and forgot about abstinence, got pregnant and decide to keep the baby, you are "heroic"

Still want to vote Republican?...... Wake Up America!

Posted by: Republican Values | September 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I still want to vote Republican this time (compared to Barack HUSSEIN Obama ; )

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I am awake too.

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

More Republican tactics:

I'm getting signed up on all sorts of lists now from the person who is such a racist that they slimed the petition to ask palin to return the funds...

Of course, it won't matter because I can control it through filters, but isn't it nice what haters do on their off time?

spam people with nasty racist and porno-speak.

That's okay, though. All those list-servs are being notified and a couple have decided they will follow up and notify the people using their software.

Gosh, what IS it with some people. Is the fact that Obama is black so hard for you? Why not just say that, instead of pretending you have a valid reason other than racism?

Posted by: nobush3rd | September 10, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

No, JakeD, you just go to the petition and try to put that speech there where it is more anonymous.

Or spam people.

The WaPo is tracking it down.

Posted by: John "No Honor" McCain | September 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was "dbw" your were accusing of doing that? Now, it's both of us?

Posted by: JakeD | September 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, that didn't take long....nobush3rd has already played the race card. Can't debate the substantive issues, because his candidate has such weak positions. So just resort to calling anyone who doesn't agree with Obama's outdated liberal positions "racist". Well played. You must make your party proud.

Posted by: dbw | September 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

You mean like McCain's ad saying Obama is calling Palin a pig? When he was talking about how you can take a word like Change -- and claim it, using lies like those told by Palin -- but it doesn't make it change. It's still a pig, even if you put lipstick on it. It's still a stinky fish, even if you wrap it in the "paper" of change.

McCain HIRED Steve Eskew - the same swiftboater that George Bush used to claim McCain has a black baby -- to do exactly the SAME swiftboating on Obama.

That shows where the smear tactics come from.

Amazing how right after I post the petition url here, the petition, myself, my email inbox and others have been bombarded by the nastiest, vile filth of the worst racist misogynist you could ever imagine.

What is really telling about the type of people who do that sort of sliming, from McCain to the racist hater who is spamming the petition... is that they HIDE their hate speech, because they are too much of a COWARD to man up and show some balls and simply claim their bigotry.

But everyone is quite clear that Palin is no more than a distraction -- designed to keep the American public from maybe thinking about real issues... by playing abortion as if that was the end-all and be-all of America.

It isn't. Too bad some people aren't aborted to keep them from fouling the gene pool with their nastiness.

Posted by: nobush3rd | September 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I see this article makes no mention of the fact that after Palin said no, OBAMA and BIDEN both voted against sending that 220million to the hurrican Katrina cause and it's victims.

Look it up. Do your research.

Posted by: Justthefacts | September 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Justthefacts... that's a lie. There was no vote like the one you are speaking of.

That's just more of the Sean Hannity, Carl Cameron lies perpetuated by rapid right-wingers like yourself.

It never happened.

The earmark funds were released to the State of Alaska without conditions -- certainly Ms. Palin could have donated them then but she didn't.

Those funds were used for various transportation projects in Alaska. It wasn't until Congress refused to fund the bridge overruns that gov. palin decided she was against the earmarks.

How politically convenient. Alaska is the state with the HIGHEST per person funding of earmarks, even AFTER palin cut a bunch of them. Yet she continues to lie with the same tired Eskew speech saying Obama's asking for the most earmarks.

It's NOT TRUE. You can say it all you want. You can wrap that stinky fish in the paper of your deceit and you STILL have a stinky fish in false claims of change.

The only way that is change is that it's a change from the McCain of 2000, who wouldn't vote for the slimy gutter policies of the McCain of 2008.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

The spam continues... and that's ok. 'Cos you see, I am not black. Your epithets are simply showing who you are.

I know it hurts your feelings that I call you a coward because you can't man up and grow a pair and just admit your racist bigotry.

low information voters... limited vocabulary of race-speak.

McCain/Palin = BUSH/Cheney = MORE OF THE SAME. Thanks, but no thanks.

Posted by: nobush3rd | September 10, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

This is pathetic. You all disgust me. I'm bringing back the Whig Party.

Posted by: GOD | September 11, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if it is true that the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent of both parties will win in November? Apparently the opponent exposed corruption within both parties and is specifically targeted.

The question is how... For example, will the GOP use a Guiliani-like mob ties such as his protege Bernard Kerik was indicted with 140 years of jail time? Will the Dems use an OJ Simpson-like convict with jail time instead? Will both parties use the popular law enforcement community practice of 'sweetheart exchange deals' where crimes/murders are committed in exchange for less penalty on their behalf?

And do we have to worry about our family's safety having shared this detail now? Will my husband be targeted and murdered during his daily jog after work in Hackensack and Bogota, NJ around 4pm today? Especially since all our habits and plans are known in advance due to bugging devices implanted both in public and private?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if it is true that the actual candidate that bumps off mutual opponent of both parties will win in November? Apparently the opponent exposed corruption within both parties and is specifically targeted.

The question is how... For example, will the GOP use a Guiliani-like mob ties such as his protege Bernard Kerik was indicted with 140 years of jail time? Will the Dems use an OJ Simpson-like convict with jail time instead? Will both parties use the popular law enforcement community practice of 'sweetheart exchange deals' where crimes/murders are committed in exchange for less penalty on their behalf?

And do we have to worry about our family's safety having shared this detail now? Will my husband be targeted and murdered during his daily jog after work in Hackensack and Bogota, NJ around 4pm today? Especially since all our habits and plans are known in advance due to bugging devices implanted both in public and private?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 11, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I agree with God, lets bring back the whig party, y'all are disgusting.

Posted by: Angel | September 11, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's base supporters won't give a fig about the bridge to nowhere. Most Americans believe that all politicians lie at one time or another, all politicians flip-flop at one time or another. This argument will not win Obama the election. But nice try.

Posted by: Eileen | September 11, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if voters would be branded dishonest if they voted for Obama, but "not before" supporting Clinton. What is this hoopla about the "bridge to nowhere?" The action counts and NOT what's been considered in the process before the action was taken. An architect, engineer, or artist considers many, sometimes flawed, ideas before coming up with the final, solid design. Should anybody be judged by the thought process rather than the end result?

Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"since when has obama pushed any agenda that garnered even 50% approval let alone a majority? wake up and realize that a liberal government has absolutely no focus on the american peoples real issues."

A "bridge to nowhere" is hardly a "real issue" for the American people. It was a stupid idea that Palin didn't realize was stupid until everyone unanimously told her it was. Then she gave in to the inevitable, but kept the money Congress had already laid out for it.

Obama is pushing universal health care, improved education, tax cuts for the middle class and taxes on the wealthy, individuals or corporations, a revitalized economy, and a number of other things that would all benefit the American people. That's his agenda.

Palin's, which is hard to see because she's so busy trying to tear down Obama, is for teaching "creationism" in school, prohibiting abortion even for rape and incest victims, making Biblical laws the laws of the land, abandoning equal-pay-for-equal-work between the sexes, keeping the minimum wage capped in times of raging inflation, destroying a major wildlife reserve and withdrawing protection from endangered species like the polar bear, which is already losing its natural habitat to global warming, for which Palin doesn't
believe people and corporations are responsible, and for allowing hunting of wildlife from Snowmobiles and low-flying aircraft, as unfair as it gets.

Now whose agenda do you approve? How people can say Obama doesn't have a platform of issues he feels very strongly about and talks about at every opportunity, I don't know. He is for improvements in the quality of life for all Americans, not just for himself and his party, and I'm not even sure Palin is for her party.

She's a self-seeking fascist who's never got over the fact that she lost the Miss Alaska beauty pageant to -- an African American woman.

Posted by: bryony1 | September 12, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Baracky Hussein Obama has an extremely liberal Senate voting record - he cannot run and hide from that fact.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008

Posted by: Helen | September 12, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The truth is. That Sarah Palin has done an amazing job of saving money for the people of Alaska. She took a list of earmarks and cut it down to what was really needed. Yes she fired and hired a few people and in the end she has done well. Please! Please! read up on the Rezko investagation in IL. Operation Board Games is dramatic evidence of politians at their worst. Obama, Rezko, and Governor Blagojevich loaded the Health Facility Planning Board and the Teacher's Retirement Systems Board for kickbacks and campaign donations. Millions were funnled into the hands of Obama's developer friends and the very people Obama tells us we should help were left worst off than before he came. Bill Ayers and Obama had $49,000,000 in grants from the Annenberg Challange to dole out to improve education and the final report was that they had failed. I would much rather have had Sarah in charge in my state!

Posted by: pjmyers | September 12, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Here is a great article that details lots of facts of what happened when:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2FiMjBlNWE0ZTJhNDBjZWExYzA2M2M5MWZkYmFlN2I=

Posted by: Steve | September 13, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin and the Bridge to Nowhere

The title says it all for itself. Palin and the bridge to nowhere is exactly her position in raw words in regards to where she stands in this election.

Posted by: Nisey01 | September 14, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Nisey01:

LOL!!! Perhaps you missed the latest Gallup poll? If Gov. Palin is on a political Bridge to Nowhere, then Obama-Biden are sliding down the Slippery Slope fast.

Posted by: JakeD | September 15, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of family role models are conservatives changing their outlook or are they coming out. Do we know the facts on teenage pregnancies among conservatives? Should we expect the numbers to increase?

Posted by: annonymous | September 16, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

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