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Posted at 4:48 PM ET, 10/10/2008

Did Obama "lie" about Ayers?

By Michael Dobbs


"Obama's blind ambition. When convenient, he worked with terrorist Bill Ayers. When discovered, he lied. Obama. Blind ambition. Bad judgment."
McCain campaign video, October 10, 2008

A McCain campaign video released today hits the "guilt by association" theme that has become a prominent part of GOP attacks on Barack Obama during the final weeks of an increasingly vituperative presidential election campaign. It baldly accuses the Illinois senator of "lying" about his connection with Ayers, a former Weather Underground leader turned education professor. True or false?

The Facts

Bill Ayers has acknowledged that he was one of the leaders of a group known as the Weather Underground, which carried out a series of small-scale bombings at the Capitol and the Pentagon in 1970 and 1971 as a protest against the Vietnam War. He was charged with conspiracy to bomb, but the charges were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct. Over the last two decades, he has been better known in Chicago as an education expert, and it was in that role that he became acquainted with Obama in 1995. The two men served together on the board of an anti-poverty group, and Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election campaign for the Illinois State Senate in 2001.

The McCain video--it does not appear to have aired anywhere as a commercial ad yet--says that Obama "worked with the terrorist Bill Ayers." A casual viewer might easily conclude that the connection between the two men dates back to the time when Ayers was involved in terrorist activities, which is not the case. As Obama frequently points out, he was eight years old when Ayers helped found the Weather Underground. The Illinois senator has repeatedly condemned the terrorist actions committed by Ayers and his fellow Weathermen.

Up until now, McCain has left the work of slamming Obama's "terrorist connection" to surrogates, particularly his running mate, Sarah Palin. Addressing a Florida campaign rally earlier this week, Palin depicted Obama as "someone who sees America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who target their own country." McCain, by contrast, has preferred to raise questions about Obama's honesty and trustworthiness. Interviewed by Sean Hannity on Fox News on Thursday night, he said the following:

I think [Americans] should care about Senator Obama's truthfulness. I don't care much about an old terrorist and his wife who are still unrepentant...But the point is, it's not about them. It's about Senator Obama being candid and straightforward with the American people about their relationship. He has dismissed it by saying he was just a guy in the neighborhood. You know it's much more than that.

The claim that Obama "lied" about his relationship with Ayers rests on his response to a question from George Stephanopoulos of ABC News in a Democratic primary debate in Philadelphia on April 16. Invited to describe his relationship with Ayers, Obama played down its significance:

This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George.

That statement can certainly be read as an attempt by Obama to minimize his dealings with a controversial figure. But it is hard to qualify it as a "lie," despite the inaccurate statement about Ayers being a professor of English. (He is a professor of education at the University of Illinois.) The New York Times got it right last week when it noted that the Illinois senator had "played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers."


The Pinocchio Test

The McCain campaign is distorting the Obama-Ayers relationship, and exaggerating their closeness. There is no evidence that Obama has "lied" about his dealings with Ayers. It would be more accurate to say that he "told the truth slowly," a regrettable but commonplace practice among politicians seeking to avoid embarrassing questions.

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By Michael Dobbs  | October 10, 2008; 4:48 PM ET
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Comments

For the past 2 days I've been running text analysis of "Dreams From my Father" and "Fugitive Days." They were absolutely written by the same person, either by an unknown ghostwriter or by Ayers himself.

Obama and Ayers were - and are - much closer than "a guy in my neighborhood."

Posted by: Richard R | October 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks so much for your excellent service.

I have bookmarked it and will refer to it as the election approaches. I don't like campaigns that lie. If they want my vote, stop lying or even twisting or spinning the truth, or you will wake up to a sad surprise when the votes are counted and you lose the election!

Posted by: Fred Pulver | October 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

You get 5 Pinocchio's for your rating.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"TOLD THE TRUTH SLOWLY"?! You've given McCain numerous Pinocchios for that.

Anyone actually interested in the truth, please do your own research on-line. Even Anderson Cooper on CNN a few nights ago acknowledged:

"... the relationship between Obama and Ayers went much deeper, ran much longer, and was much more political than Obama said."

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

pathetic Machael Dobbs,

How well did he do to distort "facts" to shield Obama?

Excellent. I feel I live in a fascist nation. Where facts are not facts. You just use facts to create facts as you want them to be perceived.

I hope you are left with some sanity to feel ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: jurih | October 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Richard R. - Have you really been running such textual analysis? If so, show your cards, support you accusation with evidence. Given your facility with computational methods, it should be rather easy for you to post a web page instead of a cryptic comment.

Incidentally, I have been running textual analysis on McCain's book, "Faith of My Fathers". Turns out it was (ghost-)written by a very different man than the one who is running for President today, one for whom "Country First" was more than a slogan.

Posted by: miked98 | October 10, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The Post fact checker omits that fact that Ayers helped launch Obama's first run for office.

Two Pinnochios for the Post fact checker.

Told the truth slowly?? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! You mean, he lied and then lied a bit more.

Of course Obama is downplaying his relationship with Ayers, whose terrorist activities were responsible for the deaths of at least two people.

Posted by: ttj | October 10, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Richard R:

Have you see the prosecutor speak out? Keep in mind that Bill Ayers wife is also an unrepentant terrorist and worked in the same law office with Barack and Michelle Obama. This definitely goes much deeper than Obama has "slowly" admitted to. It's funny how "slow" Dobbs is to label anything a "lie" but quick to bat down Obama's story as "not a lie". We shall see, soon enough.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Using McCain logic McCain helped fund Osama bin Laden by voting to give the Mujaheddin money during the Afghan War which helped bin Laden get his start (albeit indirectly but since we spinning McCain versions of facts I stand by this).

McCain is a sleaze of the worst sort. Because he knows he cannot defend his record and his lack of knowledge about economic policy he has resorted to lies, innuendo and smear campaigning. He really is McBush.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | October 10, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

How much is Michael Dobbs being paid by the Obama campaign? Because he sure is lying as much as any member of that campaign, along with Obama himself.

Posted by: SteveIL | October 10, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I cant see the dead fish ....but I sure do smell him.....

Posted by: ronnie | October 10, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

That McCain ad is so sleazy it reeks. The economy is tanking, Afghanistan is a disaster, people are dying in Iraq....and McCain thinks it's important to connect Obama with activities that occurred when he was eight years old.

Obama was on an education foundation with a professor of education, Ayers. I really don't find that so scary.

McCain, on the other hand, was on the letterhead of the World Anti-Communist League, illegally funding contras in Nicaragua by buying weapons from....Iran. Excuse me, who was "palling around with terrorists"?

Posted by: Astonished | October 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers will be endorsing John McCain for President. He has repented and believes supporting McCain is the best way of showing this. Film at 11.

Posted by: Chazcat | October 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Told the truth slowly" - is that like "misspoke"? Is he going to tell the truth slowly about his affiliation with ACORN?

The mainstream media has been in the tank for Obama for so long that they can't fathom that there could be something so acutely wrong with their candidate. They must feel sure that they or "someone" actually vetted him, but sadly that is not the case.

Posted by: Joanne600 | October 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Astonished:

Why can't we discuss ALL of those issues within 25 days. Let me repeat, in case you missed it, Anderson Cooper on CNN a few nights ago acknowledged:

"... the relationship between Obama and Ayers went much deeper, ran much longer, and was much more political than Obama said."

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"For the past 2 days I've been running text analysis of "Dreams From my Father" and "Fugitive Days." They were absolutely written by the same person, either by an unknown ghostwriter or by Ayers himself.

Obama and Ayers were - and are - much closer than "a guy in my neighborhood."

Posted by: Richard R | October 10, 2008 5:10 PM"

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Yeah, right...go see a shrink

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

KEEP ON EARNIN' THOSE MCCAIN POINTS, FELLAS!

Economy? Pshaw, who wants to talk about THAT?

Posted by: Slicer | October 10, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Given the "Whole Truth And Nothing But the Truth" standard set for McCain's training plane mishap (which McCain at least admitted "I crashed the plane"), doesn't Obama deserve at least a few Pinocchios?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever really look into this guy? Hes probably a lot nicer person then most of you right-wing bigots. Unlike most of you, he actually does something with his beliefs.

Partial Bio from Wiki)

Ayers worked with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley in shaping the city's school reform program,[36]and was one of three co-authors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant proposal that in 1995 won $49.2 million over five years for public school reform.[37] In 1997 Chicago awarded him its Citizen of the Year award for his work on the project.[38] Since 1999 he has served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty, philanthropic foundation established as the Woods Charitable Fund in 1941.

Posted by: Michael | October 10, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for putting out the facts. The FACT that McCain is sponsoring an ad which accuses Obama of "working with a terrorist" is almost as bad as Cheney using the threat of a terrorist attack (if Kerry was to win the presidential election) to help win in 2004. Some Republicans know how to use fear to their advantage very well.

Posted by: R Coker | October 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"Show me your friends and I will tell you who you are!" My parents shared this with me when I was a child. Obama is a political animal whose blind ambition for office allows an 'anything goes' mindset. Bill Ayers plotted the violent over throw of the US government, and by his own words said recently his only regret was that he did not do more.

If McCain had a personal friendship with an abortion clinic bomber, or a KKK member,the press would be unforgiving. Why the pass for Obama?

Now I know who he is, and what Obama is all about!

Posted by: Jim in Atlanta | October 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

LOL. You're running a textual analysis!? Oh lord, pull the other one! The reality is that there is no there there.

Posted by: fletc3her | October 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The "terrorist" Bill Ayers belongs back in 1968. Today he is a good citizen, teacher and scholar.

Posted by: Zane | October 10, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

These Moron Con Econ WMD Terrorists Communists, Old Adulterer Songbird, War Criminal Treasonous Traitor KLA Supporter Dirty Corrupt Moron Con Econ Terrorrist McLobbyist and the Born Idiot Pro Life Killer Retard Satanic Sarah will destroy America.

These Moron Con Econ Communist Terrorist will finish the job Mission Accomplished Born Again Faith Based Pro Life Lying Mass Murderer Serial Killer War Criminal Terrorist Nazi has started, these Moron Con Econ Terrorist will destroy the Economy and America

Google these to learn the Old Adulterer Songbird Treasonous Traitor Dirty Corrupt Moron Con Econ WMD Terrorist McLobbyist and his real Terrorist Buddies,

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Now, the Moron Con Econ WMD Terrorists and the Born Again Killers want OLD Songbird War Criminal Dirty Corrupt Murderer Econ Moron McLobbyist & the Retard to finish the job the Axis of Evil Econ WMD Born Again Faith Based Pro Life Mass Murderer Serial Killer War Criminal has started.
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What is legitimate is McMoron's links to the KLA Islamic Terrorists, his links to the Arizona Mob, Rick Renzi, Keating Five, Dropping bombs on innocent defenseless women & children, having no courage to release his complete Military Records, unwilling to release his Mental Health records, his links to Iran and Russia
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Google McCain KLA Islamic Terrorists
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Google Bush, Rove the 4th Reich, Steve Schmidt head of McDirty's campaign is a Rove protege
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Google McCain Lobbyist Iran Business
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Old McLiar is a Treasonous Traitor, this Songbird made dozens of AntiAmerican videos, the War Criminal violated military code having numerous sexual relations with subordinates, but daddy bailed the Old Adulterer out.

Moron Con Communist Econ WMD Terrorists like Old Adulterer Songbird Treasonous Traitor War Criminal Mass Murderer Corrupt McLobbyist & the Born Again Killer Retard will Destroy America and finish the job destroying the Economy after the Born Again Faith Based Pro Life Lying Mass Murderer Serial Killer Econ WMD Terrorist Nazi Communist Axis of Evil War Criminal leaves.


People who enable War Criminals are equally guilty of Murder, Rape and War Crimes. Have fun in Eternal Hell!

Why won't the war hero release his Complete Military Records? What is the Moron Con Econ WMD Terrorist hiding?

Posted by: Why won't the War Criminal Release his Military Records? What is he hiding? | October 10, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

http://www.johnmccain.com/actioncenter/bloginteract/bloginteract.aspx

THIS is where the trolls are coming from.

Obama was loose friends with Ayers.

mcCain is close to George W. Bush.

Now, you tell me: has Ayers or Bush done more to hurt America?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

"Why can't we discuss ALL of those issues within 25 days.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:35 PM"

We can and should discuss ALL those issues, but whipping up a crowd by using innuendos and lies to incite violence is not only illegal, it's immoral.

We should also discuss McCain's traitorous activity as a POW, his connection to anti-semites, his personal failings like ditching his injured wife, Sarah Palin's connection to AIP whose founder died trying to buy plastic explosives, her ethics investigation..

Shall I go on?

No, because in case you haven't noticed there are some REAL important severe matters going on that take precedence.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain used to be a man who you could admire. However, he seems to know that this is his last race and he is desperate to be elected. A man who used to place such emphasis on his honor should not be trying to dishonor someone else with lies. Reminds me: "Have you no shame John McCain?"

Posted by: Helen G | October 10, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Exactly how much money is the Obama campaign paying you to allow them to write these pieces? Either you are on the take, in the tank, or you are morons.
To write “which carried out a series of small-scale bombings at the Capitol and the Pentagon in 1970 and 1971 as a protest against the Vietnam War” is the most ignorant thing I have read in your paper in a while and that is saying something.
Funny how when it’s an Obama supporter it’s only a “small-scale bombing”. Just because they are incompetent doesn’t make them any less of a terrorist. You imbeciles apparently look at WTC1 as a “small-scale bombing”.

Posted by: Obama - the Socialists' puppet in DC | October 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse


I see that the desperate neo-con facists are out in force now that their dream of a "permanent majority" dictatorship in America is slipping away.

..

Posted by: DF | October 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama knew Bill Ayers? Obama knew Rezko? Obama knew "insert bad guy name here?"

We are engaged in 2 wars, we have virtually no standing in the international community, our economy is falling to pieces - and THIS IS THE BEST THE REPUBLICANS CAN COME UP WITH!?!?!?

You've got to be kidding me that we have a choice in this election. There is no choice but Obama. Voting a McCain/Palin ticket would be demeaning to any human after the past few days.

Posted by: Chris | October 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone care if Obama was friends with this guy? Ayers' trouble was 40 years ago. It has absolutely no relevance to today. The only reason these right-wing whack-jobs are making a fuss about it is because they have nothing else to say. They are the ones who lie with impunity and then blame everyone else. It's time the clear-thinking people of this country stop them, one way or the other.

Posted by: mikeb | October 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

This is a non-issue even if the Republican's want to make it one. The public isn't that stupid and won't bite. In fact it is likely to backlash against the Republican's. After all if it's guilt by association, weren't the Bush family friendly and even have business dealings with the Bin Laden family? Now that is guilt by association with the most wanted man in the world and not with a war protester from 40 years ago who now enjoys a fine reputation in the educational field in Chicago.

Posted by: Amusedbyitall | October 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

"Told the truth slowly." Like the Keating 5 investigation or Palin's bridge to nowhere stand? Pretty much!

Posted by: Wachoverya | October 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Whom Cares! Whom is most qualified to solve our economic problems? Whom is going to solve the energy crisis? How will I retire...will there be a 401K plan for me? Whom is most qualified for this? The same guy whom told me regulation is a good thing. I can't believe this kind of stuff still works with people!

G*d bless America. Vote OBAMA!

Posted by: Keith | October 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Slicer:

Again, why can't we discuss ALL of those issues within the next 25 days? That's over 600 HOURS to get all the relevant information in -- note that this thread is not about the economy -- let me repeat it, one last time, Anderson Cooper on CNN a few nights ago acknowledged:

"... the relationship between Obama and Ayers [PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE NEXT 11 WORDS] went much deeper, ran much longer, and was much more political than Obama said." (Emphasis, and SIGNPOST, Added)

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Jake D: Do you mean this comment?

"I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child."

Or this one:

"Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago."

That's from his letter in the Times yesterday, but then what do you -- and your candidate -- care about the truth?

Posted by: SenorPlaid | October 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a shell of his former self. Now he's just another Republican dirtbag.

Posted by: Tom | October 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure about Obama and Ayers and frankly do not care. What I do care about is McCain trying to get me to beleive he can work across the aisle to get things done and all he does is attack and deminish the other side. He lost my vote just for that fact.

Posted by: Former Republican | October 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

If the McCain camp thought this was so important, why did they wait to bring it up until the last minute in a fit of desperation? They have nothing positive to say about themselves, and all they have is smoke and mirrors to try to take the subject off the economy. Well guess what.. nothing's taking my eyes off the economy because my friggin wallet is empty. I voted for Barack Obama by mail.

Lord save us from the Republican scum that has run this country into the ground for the past 8 years.

Posted by: Pat | October 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

MSM needs to look at Palin's ties with the AIP. A new report indicates that she is more involved with this radical group than she led the public to believe.

Posted by: Joe | October 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing, Barack Hussein Osama can go to churches with Reverend Wright and befriend terrorists and people still love him.

Posted by: Johnny | October 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I really don't get why people think the media has a dog in the hunt. I keep hearing how they are "protecting" Obama - but I cannot logically understand why? Do people really think Americans are out to get each other?

Posted by: confused | October 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Another wheel off the sinuous Straight Talk Express...McCain's vitriol is being adopted by his blinded-by-the-red-light supporters. That red light is not patriotism, is something far from it.

Innuendo by people like Richard R and the mythology they subscribe to is as reliable as the sources that claim the world is 6000 years old, and man walked among the dinosaurs and then wrap their claim in religion.

Posted by: Mark W | October 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Of course Obama doesn't want to tell the WHOLE TRUTH about his relationship. Is it disasterous.. no.. but it shows a lack of judgment, it shows a willingness to do whatever he needs to get ahead and use people of power or influence regardless of their affilliations.

How about the Obama meeting with Iraqi officials.. undermining a current sitting Presidents attempts to negotiate a troop withdrawl... stating that they need to wait until a new President comes into office.. that way he can take credit.. This man is shameless! Cover that one POST...

Posted by: TomB | October 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Do you know why economy is tanking? Read the 1995 the expansion of Community reinvestment act and subsequent suit of Citi bank by feds for failing to give out risky loans. I don't need to tell you that Billy the Great signed it and majority of democrats voted for it. Stop spouting nonesense.. Unlike you, I have actually watched housing prices explode since 1999, when William Jefferson Clinton was still president of these United States.
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=1RZVw3no2A4

As far as Iraq and Afghanistan are concerned, of course people are dying, peaople die in wars. And as far as mismanagement on the ground, I have not heard much from Obama on that topic, while McCain was pretty vocal about mismanagement and Rumsfield, since about 2004.

Posted by: Ski | October 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I would think that an appropriate follow-up to this would be "did McCain lie?" After all, his campaign roots this accusation on the first nine words of that interview response, to wit: "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood..." Talk about "hearing just what you want to hear".

If that was ALL that Obama said, then they MAY have had a case for "shading the truth". But the fact is that Ayers, to Obama, represents one of perhaps thousands of individuals whose lives crossed Obama's in an active public and private life over the years. A mere blip on the political radar compared to, say, Charles Keating whose close relationship to both John and Cindy McCain is incontrovertible.

Posted by: papajoe | October 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: diggyzazz | October 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Does Obama want to destroy America? Is Obama a terrorist? Obviously...NOT.

Drop this story. You're only feeding the fires of division and distraction.

Posted by: John | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"That statement can certainly be read as an attempt by Obama to minimize his dealings with a controversial figure. But it is hard to qualify it as a "lie," despite the inaccurate statement about Ayers being a professor of English." is the core analytical content of the article. How this is turned into "told the truth slowly" is beyond me. If we rejected every politician due to their "minimization of dealings" with one person or another as the political winds blow, the halls of Congress would be empty.

Forgotten by Michael Dobbs is the Annenberg connection; rich Republicans have even stronger connections to Mr. Ayers than Mr. Obama does.

Neither Mr. Obama's contacts with Ayers nor his "miminizing" what was already minimal are of any consequence to his ability to be the next president.

Posted by: Toby5 | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

It seems like those who are trying to make this connection somehow nefarious are assuming that at some point Mr Obama was introduced to this guys as:

"Barack, I'd like you to meet a man who belonged to a radical organization 40 years ago and plans to do harm to America".

My guess is it was more like:
"Barack, I'd like you to meet someone who is working on some of the community projects that you've shown an interest in."

I've personally been in city advisory meetings, community associations, helped coach local kids sports teams and I can't honestly say that I would KNOW if someone in those groups and committees had committed heinous acts 40 years ago!

Posted by: Pipes | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

>Obama and Ayers were - and are - much closer than "a guy in my neighborhood."

If you red the article and whached the debate you understand Obama never aluded that Ayers was JUST a guy he lived near.

Heres Obamas exact quote:

"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George. "

Posted by: D | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, no one cares about bill ayers. No one except someone who wants to come up with a spin to bring obama down. Why isn't McCain moving for Ayers to be fired, teaching education, if he's such a scary guy? Do none of you know anyone who did stupid things when they were young? It's offensive that it's even being discussed. Keep talking about it, maybe the issues will disappear, then you won't need someone to lead.

Posted by: paul | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

We are talking about a man that has an extraordinary skill in verbosity and is using it to actually talk himself into the White House.

His wife does not share that skill so he took her from the stump.

One skilled in perception can sense these two folks have a hidden attitude they share and he can hide it but she cannot.

There should be a article "The Obama's Hidden Attitude". I guarantee it will be well read.

Don Jones
PoeSpirits.com

Posted by: Don Jones | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Keith:

To "whom" are you referring?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to crash and burn. He is a liar and a terrible choice for this country.

http://www.FastArizona.com/McCain.html

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Consider this: The greatest "terrorists" our nation ever faced where our foes in WWII we millions of lives. Now Germany and Japan are allies. Our presidents meet, consult with and have state dinners for their heads of state. We can accept their rehabilition and move past that surely the world can stop making an issue over what Bill Ayers did 40 years ago when Obama was 8. I mean, come on. Is McCain going to refuse to meet Japanese leaders because they attacked Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: Philoman | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

It's fun to watch smug republican evangelical Christians kick and scream like someone stole their candy. Prepare to loose this election.

Posted by: American | October 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BAC-Independent | October 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"The "terrorist" Bill Ayers belongs back in 1968. Today he is a good citizen, teacher and scholar."
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Breaking news: Republicans have unearthed Obama's secret connection to Cheech and Chong.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse


Ayers is a HERO, not McCain the pound puppy! It was against the Vietnam War !
Ayers is a Hero Just like Revolutionary Patroits against the British.

Posted by: philosopherkingtomas | October 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear Pat ,

If your wallet is empty now wait until Obama gets a hold of it. Paying higher taxes is the Patriotic thing to do. Socialists believe all wealth belongs to the good of country and not to you...

Posted by: TomB | October 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Ayres was a radical 30 years ago when he protested against the Vietnam war, but now he is a professor and works in charity organizations - what is wrong in serving on the board of a charity organizations? Or helping with school improvement projects? Is it really impossible for someone to rehabilitate in the US?

Posted by: John | October 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow Richard R. we all know that you just put a blatant lie as your post and are just out to get Obama. And all you who are taking "A guy who lives on my neighborhood" too bluntly, open your eyes.

Posted by: randomguy | October 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

all of you are so out of touch, if you think voting for McCain is a responsible decision then you need your heads checked. McCain's whole campaign is about deception...get with the program.

Posted by: obama forever | October 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Excellent point Wachoverya!!!!!!

Posted by: Former Republican | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE TOO done the text analysis and I don't have to share my computations with you or anyone else.

If you don't believe Barack Hussein Obama has santorum from Ayers all over his bits, then just wait til you wake up in socialism and wonder why your doubts never led you down the right path.

Posted by: Richard R | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

To all the facists who post here, Obama's links to Ayers is distant at best and he has condemned thae actions of the Weather Underground. Sarah Palin and her husband still support the radical and violent AIP. Todd left the party so Silly Sarah could run for govenor. She addressed their convention in 2006 and told them they are doing a great job. The press should be all over this.

Posted by: Mark | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

This whole Ayers fiasco is extremely ridiculous. He was a rehabilitated academic when Obama first met him and the education board they sat on was run by a prominent and respected Republican.

This is how desperate the McCain camp has to go to try and create a culture of fear around Obama? You could throw any number of 'guilt by association' claims back at McCain.

They could also enter 'Pastor Wars' if they wanted to - dredge up inflammtory statements by Palin's or McCain's pastors, etc. Where would the silliness end though?

Since when was this seen as an even remotely valid standard to judge a candidate by?

Why does it seem like Obama is challenged in ways - it argued as legitimate - that other politicians don't seem to have been challenged by in the past? Is this a complete double standard or what?

The fact that they have to go for these flimsy 'guilt by association' plays only speaks to me that they don't actually have anything credible with which to attack Obama on.

Posted by: JayKay2 | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

How is Anderson Cooper to believed above others? One of the Boards Ayers and Obama sat on was funded by the Annenburg(sp) Foundation, the heiress of which is a McCain financial supporter, so run and twist that. What is a "terrorist" anyway, after 8 years of Bush fear doctrine is it anyone that disagrees with the Republicans?

Posted by: hadenough | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a dishonest sleaze merchant

Posted by: DCdallas | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Your in the tank for Obama! Who can we trust if the press is biased. One of the best defenses a democracy can have is media that are non biased. Obama is a lying sack of sh*t and you won't call him on it.

Posted by: Harry | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I want to see John McCain and his campaign refuse support from the Annaburg Foundation... For their close ties to Terrorists.

Posted by: MajKi | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

OK we give...All you Rebpublicans have been right all along. Ayers and Obama are secretly in cahoots with each other and I hear that once Obama is elected President he's going to help Ayers setup his own chain of "Terrorist Themed" Coffeehouses.

That is how the circle of life works doesn't it? With all the hippies eventually becoming yuppies and then one day Republicans?

Posted by: mabart | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2008/10/mccains_chilling_dance_with_th.html
McCain's association with G. Gordon Liddy, the convicted Watergate burglar whose colorful history includes telling listeners to his radio show in 1994 to shoot federal agents in the head.

Posted by: Max | October 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse


Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman of the Annenberg Foundation is listed on McCain's own website as a top endorser. (see list of ambassadors for McCain). This is the same person who funded the Ayers education committee that Obama (and several Republicans) participated in.
It was part of the "Annenberg Challenge" .

So if McCain is so worried about Obama's connections to this "terrorist" he should also be very worried about his own connections to the woman that funds this "terrorist" and his "radical agenda". The truth is despite his detestable past, Ayers is now a very respected professor of education and in 1997 he was presented with the "Citizen of the Year" award from the City of Chicago for his work with public schools.

Obviously there's a double standard- If you're a white Republican who sits on a board with Ayers it's because you care about teaching and children, if you're black Democrat, its because you're a terrorist.


Posted by: sreede | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, Obama had nothing to do with Ayers 1960s radical group, and obviously Obama abhors that radical philosophy. But there is larger problem with this smear.

It's disappointing to see the media and politicians blindly accept this accusation that Bill Ayers was a "terrorist". A "terrorist" is someone who kills civilians in order to affect a political change. Bill Ayers was charged with bombing buildings, not people. Furthermore, those charges were so flimsy that they were dropped.

Ayers was trying to stop the Vietnam War. As part of that war, John McCain bombed civilians in an effort to intimidate them into changing their allegiance from the popular Viet Minh goverment. John McCain WAS a terrorist.

Posted by: Tom | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I watched the news showing McCain’s interview on Fox being televised on CNN, FOX, and other networks. In the interview McCain said he wanted Obama to come out with the truth about Ayers so the public can decide. Why isn’t anyone calling out McCain on his hypocrisy on TROOPERGATE? He asks for public truth from Obama, yet he sends his lawyers to Alaska to cover up TROOPERGATE to avoid public scrutiny. Why doesn’t McCain let Palin testify about her TROOPERATE connection so the American Public can decide – the same standard he wants to apply to Obama. Do you smell hypocrisy?

I don’t want to hear this excuse that TROOPERGATE is politically motivated and that the AYERS connection isn’t. Palin was in office as a government official during TROOPERGATE while Obama was eight years old when Ayers did his despicable act. You tell me which has more validity in applying a standard of judgment -- a person governing when the act was being committed or a person who was eight years old when someone else committed the act?

If judgment is what McCain is questioning about Obama, shouldn’t the American pubic question McCain’s judgment for picking a VP that may be using her powers for personal reasons? Sounds like Bush/Chaney tactic to twist the law to protect them elves and those they surround themselves with. After all, Palin's character could be a heart beat away from the Presidency if McCain is elected. The public deserves the truth by her testifying in front of an INDEPENDENT board, not one she picks. How many middle class citizens you know that would get away with ignoring a subpoena -- hmmm, I guess if you could hire high powered lawyers to put you and your cronnies above the law, you could.

Come on, what are you afraid of McCain, the truth? McCain keeps preaching about transparency in government, but I guess that only applies to others, not himself or those he surrounds himself with.

McCain seems to wear hypocrisy as well as one of his thousand dollar suits. His campaign and campaign tactics looks more and more like the same eight years of Bush scare tactics that middle class come to despise. BUSH SCARE TACTICS MAY OF WORKED FOR THE WAR, BUT IT WON'T WORK FOR THE ECONOMY. WE SWALLOWED THE BUSH SCARE TACTIC PILL BEFORE AND THE ONLY CURE FOR THIS CANCER IS TO PUT IN OFFICE SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T REFLECT BUSH POLICIES WHILE CAMPAIGNING -- WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO BELIEVES THERE IS A BETTER WAY AND THAT SURE ISN'T THE MCCAIN’S HYPOCRISY POLICY THAT APPLIES TO EVERYONE ELSE, WHILE HE APPLIES DIFFERENT STANDARDS TO HIMSELF AND THE HYPOCRITES HE SURROUNDS HIMSELF WITH.

BRING IT ON, MCCAIN, AT THE NEXT DEBATE. I DARE YOU!

Posted by: steve | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"Whom Cares! Whom is most qualified to solve our economic problems? Whom is going to solve the energy crisis? How will I retire...will there be a 401K plan for me? Whom is most qualified for this? The same guy whom told me regulation is a good thing. I can't believe this kind of stuff still works with people!

G*d bless America. Vote OBAMA!"

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This is off topic, but the grammar and asterisk in this comment are very odd.

Posted by: jd | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Dear philosopherkingtomas ,

This is the kind of nut bag comment I would expect... Ayers was responsible for killing and wanted or still wants to overthrow the Govt. He got off and laughed about it " guilty as sin, free as a bird.. what a great country" His exact words

Posted by: TomB | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Please, you should try telling the truth sometime. We all know that Osama is a terrorist.

Posted by: OKilburg | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Your critique of the McCain ad is narrowly focused and misses the larger issue that the ad points to. I'd suggest you read the following piece in New York's City Journal by a victim of a Weather Underground bombing:

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

Posted by: Phil Bridges | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

So McCain's Camp would rather bring up an aging Hippy that threw some firecrackers at big stone buildings during Vietnam instead of explaining why so many POW's call him the "Songbird"?

McCain and his fellow Workers Of Iniquity... would rather incite the populace into rage and character assassinations than to present himself, his running mate and his entire party as... anything different than George Bush and all of those in his administration who through FEAR TACTICS somehow were able to get the US into Trillions of Dollars of Debt, an insane war and destroy our nation's standing in the world at large (and at home to a big degree)? That's what McCain would rather do with his last 3 weeks of fame?

This guy really is a nut job.

Posted by: a guy with at least half a brain | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

SenorPlaid:

Gov. Palin took my copy of yesterday's NYT. What "comment" are you talking about?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Whatever we can do to not discuss issues, clearly that's not working. I know, let's preach fear and hate, it worked for Bush. Now, if we could just get our hands on a compromising photo of Obama clubbing baby seals. Actually, I'm still waiting for Bill O'Limbaugh to jump out from the behind the curtain at a Palin rally and holler "Just kidding, we actually had you believing she was the real vice-president candidate! You should have seen the looks on your faces, priceless!

Posted by: Wary of Hypocrites | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama reminds me of the saying about the tiger and one being eaten just one small bite at a time. The problem is that the end results are the same. You end up dead and eaten. Obama is a smooth talking snake oil saleman, and most of what he has to say is from a teleprompter. Those wanting to destroy the Republic, will of course, vote for Obama. He was nothing more than a street thug for the democrat party machine in Chicago and his most close friends were far left liberals, and that still applies to him today. To vote for Obama is a vote to destroy our nation. George W Bush is a liberal at heart while wearing a conservative mask, and Obama is even more so. If you believe things are presently bad, it will become far worse if Obama is elected to the presidency.

Posted by: Terrance Chevalier | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I hope readers understand that many of the pro-McSame comments are made by staffers who browse the net all day responding to anything positive written about Obama. They are called trolls.

Posted by: John/CT | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Richard S:

Obama wrote his book Dreams of My Father. So your point is erroneous.

Posted by: BAC-Independent | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I think the smearing is low class. Not the act of saying "I'm the better choice" but outright name calling. It's amazing how when someone can't argue their point they resort to slander.

Posted by: Jim | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"If McCain had a personal friendship with an abortion clinic bomber, or a KKK member,the press would be unforgiving. Why the pass for Obama?"

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Well, McCain's running mate (who has, I've heard, a 1 in 6 chance of outliving McCain during his first term) does... her husband was a member of the AIP, and she gave a keynote address at their convention and was brought to power with the aid of their chairs... all of which was still very active in the past year, rather than 40 years ago. Yet the press seems fairly forgiving about that...

Posted by: Richard | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Even if Bill had become a close friend of Barry's, and there is no evidence to support that, why all of this guilt by association directed at Obama? Are you Republicans suggesting that Ayers is teaching bomb making and preaching subversion? It really seems a stupid last ditch effort by a hateful ol man with nothing positive to contribute.

Posted by: Javalation | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

God help us all if Obama gets elected..I am so fed with the entire process, left, right, middle...I am casting a vote against Obama, not so much for McCain...Obamas' record (lack of) speaks for itself, and the fact that he has been cavorting with a domestic terrorist is appalling..On another note, had McCain been attending the church of David Duke for the last 20yrs, listening to his bilge, the Dems/left would be in an uproar, claiming McCain was the devil himself, but a let a black racist spout his bilge and let Obama attend for 20 yrs, be married and have his kids baptized, and we have another story..Don't worry, he (The Chosen One) doesn't really believe what the good ol Rev says..I am just another angry white guy running a successful small business, paying taxes, providing jobs, paying my current mortgage and a veteran on top of it..

Posted by: Peritus | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain is loosing so badly, he is hell-bent on dragging the country down with his campaign. He has the, "If I go down, I'm taking all of you with me mentality". Why is McCain trying to destroy this country during this crisis?

Posted by: ChrisS | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government."

That's right, EARLIER THIS YEAR Ms Palin addressed a group who admires a man who, before dying in a freak plastics explosives accident, said that.

Volger, the former leader of AIP got blown up by plastic explosives in the early '90's.
And Todd Palin was in the group for several years.

And Sarah has spoken several times at their conventions.

Conventions calling for the secession of Alaska from the US.

How very patriotic.


Posted by: mytox | October 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama wont even salute the flag or stand for the national anthem.

Terrorist associatiion trying to be white washed by Washington post and other liberal newspapers.

Obama and his Acorn kronies registering illegal alians, dead people, and UFO's for the democatic election.

Like the book says Obama is an Obomination and an enemy of America Freedoms !

Posted by: mthomas | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Does throwing firebombs into homes and setting car bombs count as doing something with his beliefs? Walking on the American flag adds a nice touch to his beliefs.

Posted by: Wesley | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Lets talk about honesty and truth and ask McCain about his cheating on his first wife. Lets also ask Cindy McCain about the drugs that she stole from her own non-profit. Truth, honesty, and integrity on the "Straight Talk Express"!

Posted by: pdxjohnny | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

well there are the acorn paid bot

wondered where you were today.

Posted by: iwaswondering | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how a person can go from a 60's radical to a "Terrorist". If memory serves me correct there was a illegal war going on where the republicans trying to nation build in south east Asia. We will however turn our heads when McCain kills thousands of Navajo and Hopi Indians here at home. So who here is the real terrorist the 60's hippie that never killed anyone or a corrupt senator that has killed over 7000 people.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

To all the republi-facists, name one thing in the USA that is not far worse today than it was 8 years ago when Junior stole the 2000 election?

Posted by: Mark | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I can only guess that Ayers thinking was that his country was under siege because Nixon was gunning down students at Kent State University...those were turbulent times and desperate people do desperate things.

I cannot condone any acts of violence.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I hardly think that Obama would have his fist political coffee in the home of someone he didn't know. Someone as smart as Obama doesn'tr kick off his political career with just "some guy in the neighborhood."

Posted by: Wardo | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Many people read only the headline and 1st paragraph. If you don't read carefully, you could easily misinterpret this. I suspect this article is perpetuating John McCain and Sarah Palin's distortions more than it's clarifying them.

Posted by: GoMommyGo | October 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow, his friendship ran much deeper, longer and was more political huh? Jeez, do you suppose together they plotted destroying the Chicago educational system with some pipe bombs? This is an idiotic non-argument and a complete waste of time, but man you losers will sure cling to it. Oh and as for the McCain ties and the press being forgiving... I suppose if Biden and Obama were on the campaign trail every day espousing nonsense about McCain's relationship with G. Gordon Liddy or Charles Keating at every whistle stop we could drum up some press. But then again, they've never been as desperately out of touch as the McCain clown troupe.

Posted by: harlan | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If it were just Bill Ayers...maybe he could be believable but let us not forget Tony Rezko convicted felon with whom Obama was quite chummy with, the ever present hate America Rev Wright, there are more dubious associations for those who bother to research. The media would rather focus on "Troopergate" than the real shady stuff with their Messiah. He's smooth but his character is way suspect.

Posted by: Chris | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: New Ad - Sarah Palin | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who actually believes that Obama is linked with Ayers is an absolute MORON! As pointed out, Obama was 8 when Ayers was engaged in those "detestable acts". I don't blame Obama for down-playing his relationship because...HE HAS NO RELATIONSHIP!

I found recently that one of the Parents on my PTA (I used to interact with) was a convicted felon of some terrible crimes. I even supported some of his ideas when I was involved in the committee. Does this make me buddies with the guy? Is he now my "Pal"? Of course not! If anyone were to ask me about my relationship with him I would say what relationship? He's a guy in the neighborhood who came to PTA meetings.

McCain and Palin are despicable and should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: R Neil | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If Ayers is a Terrorist than so were our Founding Fathers!

Posted by: IndependentAmerican | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain - unstable. Pallin - Unable. They are sickening in their spew of stretched truth and innuendo. It sickening that we are making such connections at this point. Why? Because McCain has failed as a leader. His VP choice has no ideas, nothing creative, new, or good so they send her out to be the attack-dog with lipstick. McCain is pathetic now. Once honored. Now pathetic. His VP is even more pathetic. How dare he choose someone so unable to lead as his backup. He's slipping in the head.

Posted by: Anthony | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It amazes me how liberal hatred of George Bush can completely blind then to the facts of Senator Obama. Why people just follow the Chosen One without regard to the facts is un-believeable to me.

Posted by: Travis Jackson | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Moral? McCain & Palin are hypocrites of the worst kind. They must not believe in God, Who was not kidding about lying and adultery, something that both McCain and Palin have in their past. Being a politician does not excuse your sins.

For the guy doing the "text analysis", please get back on your meds before you hurt someone.

Posted by: TexasTom | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If ever I was going to vote for McCain, not anymore. He's just going around the country bashing his opponent. What's he about? Seriously? He's just looking like a cranky old man. The contrast makes Obama look better and better.

Posted by: Not anymore... | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Barrack's association with terrorist Bill Ayers is just coincidence. Same can be said of Barrack's association with his reverend mentor who said that America deserve the 9/11 bombing.

Americans should deserve the kind of mentality. So vote for Barrack.

Posted by: george | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

What about innocent until proven guilty? Ayers was not convicted, remember?
If this is the new benchmark then McCain is guilty in the Keating Five and arms to Afgan terrorists only because he was accused.

Ayers has done his community service already.

Posted by: Meme in Texas | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Richard R, you are bonkers if you think that Obama's book were written by Ayers. Wow, what a stretch! Let me guess, they both contained WORDS? They both were written with CORRECT SENTENCE STRUCTURE? And let me guess, both appear to have CHAPTERS?

You nailed it, you cracked the case Sherlock. They are both written by the same person :)

That may qualify as the most ridiculous comment EVER made on a public discussion board.

Posted by: Ryan | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE who thinks Obama condones domestic terrorism is a flat out RACIST. Who cares a hoot about Ayers? Obama is a world-class leader. McCain is a rabble rouser. Plain and simple. Right now it's about THE ECONOMY stupid!!!!

Posted by: Laurie | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Trooper Gate is such a stupid waste of time. Hundreds of lawyers and investigators decended on Alaska to try and find something and that is all they can pull out of their hat. A trooper tazers an 11 year old, threatens to kill a family member of the first lady of Alaska and her family is upset over it.... she releases the head for budgetary differences.. which Governors can do and do all the time....

Is that the best you've got?

Posted by: NOBAMA | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I still don't see the problem. It's in the past. BIG DEAL. Like we all don't know someone from our past who has done something wrong?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Look - everyone just stop arguing and choose one guy or the other- You've got one more choice than a Monarchy gets, so its not like the vote matters any way.
Further, you don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows-

Posted by: Hunter Thompsoin's Ghost | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

TRUE! Obama is a terrorist! He has a bomb-making kit in his garage. (whoops, that's just his car - my bad)

Posted by: truthful | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

dear tom b:
You mean socialists like George W. Bush who is going to buy banks with our money? No thank you. Sir, I do not make over $250k. If you do, I'm sorry... your taxes will go up. George Bush has been raising your future taxes for the past 8 years by spending this country into a hole the size of the Grand Canyon. Somehow you don't think you have to every pay for that credit card bill though.

Posted by: pat | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Show me your friends and I will tell you who you are!"

The Reverand
Ayers
ACORN

God only knows who else he was palling around with. Obama clearly uses people for his own gain and then dumps them when questioned....God help our country if he is elected.

http://www.FastArizona.com/McCain.html

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

So let's sum up Obama's Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of "God damn America" fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers's radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

Posted by: konalimu | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

As for the argument that Obama was only 8 years old when Ayers told children to kill their parents and he was involved in the bomb plots we are not buying it. Many of us were around 8 years old when Charles Manson killed actress Sharon Tate and several other people. We knew that we should stay away from him then and also 20-30-40-years later. Stop the lying Obama -we have you all figured out. This is just as good as "I only spent 5 hours on Rezko !!! " Another bold faced lie !!

Posted by: jimbo | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

So do the two Pinocchios refer to the headline, "Did Obama 'lie' about Ayers?", or to McCain's advertisement? The article's conclusion suggests McCain's campaign is being rated, but the headline suggests Obama's campaign is being rated. It's ambiguous, possibly misleading, and could possibly be taken out of context by one side or the other. This piece of journalism needs slight revision.

Posted by: Michael Patrick | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Although this connection and relationship should have some consequences attached to it, I think the main issue should be on the lies and fabrications that were used to dodge around the subject. Both party's are doing it with different issues. As for the McCain commercial...um, isn't that a bit double talk as well? I mean he did vote for the bail out...they both did...so technically that's like the pot calling the kettle black (cast iron...just a saying I was brought up with). You are aware that there are about 39 candidates to choose from yes? Honestly, I would vote McKinney instead of Obama and Baldwin instead of McCain.

Posted by: Jennifer | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who is dumb enough, and that goes for half the people here, to believe ths crap that comes out of mccain and palins mouth are as mindless and as unintelligent as they are. With Mccain and Palin, you can see their lying in their eyes, their body language and the way they conduct themselves at every turn. they are in a sinking ship and are pulling out any and all stops to stay afloat. They are going down, along with the economy, war in Iraq and all bush/cheney policies. The sooner we move past all these cronies, the better. Obama/Biden '08!

Posted by: jen | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain would be much much worse than Bush and you see what that got us....McCain has spent the whole Campaign in the gutter and persists in talking about everything but the economy. What a loser. Our deserves much better than John McCain. John McCain: Too Erratic. Not Ready to lead

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

It would be very unwise to believe that after losing unaccounted people in Iraq for no good reason our country will vote for McCain – Palin ticket on the idea that they promise more war because they are "mavericks".

Posted by: Miron | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

CNN also debunks MCNasty's lies as well.
Now that it's heyday for conservative small town small minds, we're seperating out the weakminded affected by HATEMONGERS.

oh.. and btw; the polls in battleground states need to be investigated wink wink.

fwiw: THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS TO REPEAT THE mcSAME AND EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT.

Vote CHANGE vote OBAMA

Obama is from Hawaii and has the Aloha Spirit; foreign to McNasty and Woodsgirl.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES???????????????????????????????????????

Ayers is just a mainstream Chicago politico bureaucrat. This isn't even Clinton on sex, tehre is no grand jury.

WHO CARES????

You demagogues are going to get someone killed.

A political Altamont.

It didn't kill off the Rolling Stones, so it may not destroy the well-deserving to be destroyed Republicans.

Palin's husband was a member of a white supremicist separist anti- USA group justa few years ago and Palin addresses them annually. They are not ex-Radicals, they are current radicals, current terrorists, and McCain's airhead pick for VP is involved with them. Go nuts on her, fools.

Aand good luck in making your weak-willed doddering flip-flopper into Presidential timber in less than 30 days, better stick to the BS, it is all Republicans are good at.

Posted by: fred fep | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm SHOCKED that McCain would lie!! It sends SHIVERS down my SPINE!! I'm now voting for OBAMA. Why does John McCain HATE America?

Posted by: Bill | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

This is to Senator Mccain:Doesn't the fact yhat you and Sarah Palin are accusing senator Obama of paling out with terrists and that the American people do not know enough about him show that you are using this as a deterrent from your very poor judgment and risky decision to pick Governor Palin as your running mate? Her character is on trial in court right now and could be found guilty. The decision may not come until after the elections are over and if found guilty and you were elected there would be a scandal in the White House.
It is obvious that we do not know her very well, and she has not been properly vetted or that you ignored what you found out. Yet here the two of you are inciting crowds against Senator Obama and he has been thoroughly vetted and the thoughts about him have long ago put to rest.
Isn't this "old Politics"?
dispicable tactics.
jojo

Posted by: jojo | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

a guy with at least half a brain:

This photograph of Ayers was taken right before 9/11/2001 not 40 years ago. In a news story PUBLISHED on 9/11, he said regreated not killing more people in his terrorist attacks on the Pehtagon and Congress:

http://www.uncorrelated.com/Ayers%20US%20Flag%20Stomp.jpg

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"let me repeat it, one last time, Anderson Cooper on CNN a few nights ago acknowledged:..."
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Yeah but he is a part of the "liberal bias media"

and

He was talking in regards to McCain's accusations, not his own investigative reporting.

I love the way you play with words.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

This is an important election. Every voter needs to be as well informed as possible in making their decision as to who to vote for. Snappy one-liners from any side don't help. Please, whichever side you are on, do the most UNBIASED research you can on the internet and elsewhere to help you decide what you believe is correct. There are many groups vying for your attention and vote. Look to as many sources as you can. No source is always right. Sources that agree with other sources tend to link to one another. Try left wing sites and try right wing sites. Then make a decision. And good luck.

Posted by: Lawrence | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

AYERS, REV. WRIGHT, Middle Eastern ties, anti-American remarks by wife, refusal to wear the American flag on his jacket . . . Obama is the most anti-American candidate to ever run for office. If it walks and quacks like a duck . .. it is likely a duck.

Posted by: Truth Detector | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Richard, do a search using the words McCain & mafia. You've got a surprise coming.

Posted by: Javalation | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

The people of of the nation knows Obama in deep with terrorist organiztions. We are about to put the Fox in charge of the hen house.

Posted by: oliver pearson | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Yet another "witchhunt" courtesy of the sleazebag Republicans. They can't win on the issues, so they are trying to make a mountain out of this molehill. It won't work . . . unless of course you can present a picture of 8 year old Barack with Ayers attempting to plant a bomb! ;)

Posted by: Gerald Shields | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The Republican faithful claim that they are devout Christians, tolerant, and pro-integration.

REALLY?!?!?!?

Beware of people who wear their religion up their sleeves!!!

Posted by: Go-Go-Go-Obama | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

As I understand it, John McCain has been considered for years to be one of the slimiest politician's in Washington. And I heard this in Texas, firm Republican country.

The Republican's are desperate; and while they are all crooks (each and every one of them in Washington), it's unfortunate we don't have a third political party because I'd be for throwing the lot of Republican's and Democrats out of office.

Having said that, it's been the Republican's watch for the last 8 years and for 6 of them they had control of the House, Senate and Presidency. If they couldn't make it right before what makes you think that McCain can do it now when he holds the same free-market (rich steal from the middle class) ideals.

Posted by: Amusedbyitall | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but aren't there also a number of prominent Republicans associated with Ayers and his various organizations?

Here's the difference between McCain supporters and Obama supporters--people at McCain rallies are *begging* him to continue slinging as much mud as possible. They're filled with rage. I'm glad the Obama campaign is rising above this kind of hysterical, fear-mongering tactic, and I hope they will continue. Even McCain's got to be pretty horrified by his own followers at this point (not to mention his running mate); if he stepped back from this approach and got some kind of message, he might still have a chance.

Posted by: Hmmm | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

So let's sum up Obama's Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to federal prison. His spiritual adviser and mentor was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of "God damn America" fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job and put him in charge of doling out $50 million is William Ayers, a terrorist who was a domestic Osama bin Laden in his youth.

Even apart from the details of the Obama/Ayers connection, two key points emerge:

a) Obama lied and misled the American people in his description of his relationship with Ayers as casual and arm's-length; and

b) Obama was consciously guided by Ayers's radical philosophy, rooted in the teachings of leftist Saul Alinksy, in his distribution of CAC grant funds.

Since Obama is asking us to let him direct education spending by the federal government and wants us to trust his veracity, these are difficulties he will have to explain in order to get the votes to win.

Posted by: konalimu | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Can one continue to simply copy words from media clips and text from newspapers? We are on the brink of financial meltdown and mush of what is written here is just barbs. Please, for God's sake, can you start coming up with solutions for the economy rather than pointing fingers toward candidates and expect votes to fix things? Seriously. This is the reason we are ALL in this together. When "we the people" come together and try and solve the problem rather then blaming anyone but ourselves, maybe we shall start to see the bigger picture. "We" have been hoping, praying, demanding, others to fix the world for us. Get off your butt and help.

Posted by: arpyLA | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"a series of small-scale bombings"

I guess we can see where your sympathies lie. Even if Obama were bosom buddies with Ayers, it wouldn't be a problem because the bombings he was associated with were "small scale".

Remarkable ethics you have over there.

Posted by: Ed in CT | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Look everyone quit your belly achin' and choose from our 2 choices- Its' one more choice than a Monarchy-
And as a reminder, you don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

Posted by: Hunter Thompson's Ghost | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

All this morally bankrupt campaign has to offer, since every idea and political stance has been rejected, is to dump the straight talk express for the

"HATE TALK EXPRESS"

Posted by: Tom Payned | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain is listening to Rush and Sean those two are going be the end of McCain.

Posted by: Jerome | October 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Told the truth slowly? That's one of the finniest things I've ever read. Gee, I wonder whether I can use that in court. "You honor, I swear to tell the whole and nothing but the truth.... only slowly!"

Somehow, I think we deserve a higher standard in the White House.

Posted by: Kim | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Outrages, this ranks up there with the NYT cover story for Obama and his Ayers connection. Just a faint, or ohhh well they seen each other in passing, buddies in the hood. So if my 6 year old grows up and hangs out with Bin Laden, but he was only 1 when Bin Laden facilitated the worst terrorist attack ever on our country, then it's OK. The WP & NYT will come to the defense of my child and his horrific shady background and terrorists friends.

Hell, "I'M BARACK OBAMA AND I APPROVE THIS STORY"

Posted by: jessiaca | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

This is all nonsense. Our economy is tanking, no one can do anything about it and all McCain can talk about is a political coffee klatch 13 years ago at the house of someone who did some awful things 40 years ago.

Nobody cares about William Ayres, except McCain partisans who desperately want to change the subject from the economy.

Posted by: bgjd1979 | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to see all Obama's family in The White House. It's piss off all you stupid white nut-jobs.

Posted by: educatedwhiteguy | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

This thing about an Ayers link is ludicrous. If this same standard of persnickity-ness were used to sift McCain's words, the sifter would jam up and split asunder.

Posted by: Dave L | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Taxpayers, Not Lenders, Would Bear Costs of McCain’s Mortgage Proposal
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By JACKIE CALMES
Published: October 8, 2008

WASHINGTON — The homeowner assistance plan that Senator John McCain announced without detail in the presidential debate Tuesday night would allow millions of financially stretched Americans to refinance their mortgages with government help, but it would leave taxpayers to cover the losses, rather than the financial institutions that hold the original mortgages.

Mr. McCain said in the debate that the program would be expensive, and on Wednesday his chief economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, acknowledged that the liability would be borne directly by taxpayers.

Mr. McCain, who has made cutting government spending a centerpiece of his campaign, justified the costs on Tuesday night by saying that “until we stabilize home values in America, we’re never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy.”

As Mr. Holtz-Eakin described it, the proposal would ensure that homeowners got direct and speedier help to stay in their residences before they faced foreclosure, so that Wall Street and financial institutions would not be the only direct beneficiaries of government aid. The new loans would be 30-year mortgages at fixed interest rates of just over 5 percent, he said. The McCain campaign did not make clear what level of financial strain an applicant would have to show to qualify for the program.

The campaign of Mr. McCain’s Democratic rival, Senator Barack Obama, who had previously signaled support for similar approaches, condemned the proposal Wednesday. It said in a statement, “The biggest beneficiaries of this plan will be the same financial institutions that got us into this mess, some of whom even committed fraud.”

Beyond the costs, the proposal could encounter a backlash from voters, especially those who have had to work hard and sacrifice to keep current on their mortgage payments and who might resent bailing out fellow homeowners who got themselves into financial trouble.

Mr. Holtz-Eakin suggested that “the taxpayers’ contribution” would be the price of getting the quickest possible relief to homeowners and arresting falling home values. Declining home values have led to rising defaults and foreclosures, which in turn have devalued trillions of dollars in housing-related assets for financial institutions and companies in the United States and abroad, threatening the businesses’ survival and fueling a credit freeze that endangers the global economy.

Though Mr. Holtz-Eakin spoke of the urgency for action, he said Mr. McCain did not propose the idea as part of the recent bailout negotiations between Congress and the White House. So it would not begin until after Mr. McCain, if elected, takes office in January and issues an executive order.

The White House and the Treasury Department declined to comment on the McCain proposal, saying they did not have enough information. But they said existing programs were helping homeowners to avert foreclosures.

Mr. Holtz-Eakin noted that about 10 million Americans had mortgages that exceeded their homes’ value. “Literally millions of people” could benefit, he said, adding, “The question is how many people pick up the phone.”

He said the process of applying for a replacement mortgage would be “very simple,” though clearly administering such a program would not be. Under the plan, homeowners could call a mortgage broker or lender to refinance their residences. If they passed a credit check, they would qualify for a Federal Housing Administration loan based on the reduced value of the homes, with lower principal and a lower interest rate.

The government would pay off the original loan, Mr. Holtz-Eakin said. That would take the bad debt off the books of the institutions that made the original loans, or in the case of loans that were sold and repackaged as mortgage-backed securities, it would prevent further deterioration of their value.

Assuming the homeowners ultimately paid off the new mortgages, the taxpayers’ liability would be the difference between those mortgages and the original, more costly mortgages, Mr. Holtz-Eakin said.

Mr. Holtz-Eakin corrected one detail from the brief outline that the campaign issued Tuesday night after the debate. That outline said the plan would cost roughly $300 billion, which, it said, could be drawn from the $700 billion provided in the financial rescue package that became law last week.

But Mr. Holtz-Eakin said the financing could come from “several pots of money”: the bailout money, the F.H.A.’s separate authority to refinance up to $300 billion in mortgages, or the mortgage-finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the government now owns.

Posted by: priscilla | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

There is not one Human being that is perfect or without some taint of hypocrisy, or lie in there past. McCain and Obama are both just people, and not fit to lead. We need someone who is going to vote for us the people and our future generations. Our Monitary system is based on paper, debt and hot air and is coming to end sooner than later, neither McCant or Osama are talking about what really is the core of our problems. How do you pay off a 10 trillion dollar debt?

Obama might be lying about his relationship to ayers. But that is least of our problems, I cannot knock him for it, at least he knows people motivated to act on there dissension. This generation of sheeple are dooming there children to a life of servitude. God bless America because no one else is.

Posted by: evil_terrrorist | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

It is too late for the old man and his militia gang to derail the Obama Express. Obama is very honest, very straight forward, very likeable, very sincere and above all real gentleman. He deserves to be OUR PRESIDENT, when Bush-Cheney and McCain have dumped us in to a cesspool. Bush-Cheney must be indicted for their crimes and McCain must be sent to Arizona Desert to enjoy his retirement.

Posted by: John afradi | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Dobbs, what you have written undermines the integrity you would like everyone to believe you have. First you selectively look at "evidence." For example, what exactly did Oblahma and Ayers do together? You try to make it seem there were a few isolated contacts, merely two men passing by one another, perhaps, nopt even speaking. That suggestion is a "lie," Mr. Dobbs. The man donated money to Mr. Oblahma when he was a "nobody" in 2001. What led to that? You see, Mr. Dobbs, just because you don't bother to learn the facts does not mean there aren't any. You are unwilling or unable to learn those facts. I thin the reason why is obvious - you are eager to assess "pinocchios," ironically, you wish to rush to accuse John McCain of being a "liar." Second, you riddle your positon with garbage like "A casual viewer might easily conclude that the connection between the two men dates back to the time when Ayers was involved in terrorist activities." So, you feel it is proper to assume that an objective statement must be construed in such a manner as to render the statement a "lie"? Mr. Dobbs, you are unwilling to learn the facts, eager to make unwarranted assumptions, and ignore the facts that prove Oblahma lies. Mr. Dobbs, what you've written may be fine for all the Oblahma sycophants out there who are also patently unconcerned with facts or truth, but you need to realize that unless you bother to try to maintain any level of professionalism, you have a worth reduced to your shoe size. Pathetic. Lies. Oblahma.

Posted by: NOBAMA | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I am wondering if any of the people who are talking about Ayers actually know what the Weather Underground was about... check out the documentary and see. It wasn't exactly terrorism -- inspiring terror, dread or fear was not the intention of their action, but, rather, an overturning of racist and classist hegemony. A radical idea, but I am not sure they're terrorist. But that's not my point for writing. I think the analysis presented here leaves much to be desired (because it's addressing an ad, and not the entire issue as it's come up in the past few days.) I think NPR does a more thorough job: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95442902

Posted by: jennifer | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Execute Ayers now. Even if Obama win, Ayers will not be available to influence Obama. It is like saying kill Osama will stop Al-Qaeda.

I don't like Osama, but I dislike McCain more. McCain seems to be more interested in the presidency than the people. Making moves that solely is to get the sit. I can perfectly understand it is his last chance for his time.

Posted by: irony | October 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

If I have voluntarily enrolled in one of Ayers' Dept of Education courses, am I terrorist? Are my classmates?

Posted by: Jen88 | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Who Cares? No one but the Rescumicans...who have nothing to run on after destroying our country. People are out of work, homeless, and can't find jobs and all the Republicans want to do is smear and play their usual empty narcissistic brand of politics. WE ARE NOT LISTENING. To all Republicans...GO AWAY....your false party is dying a hard death. GOOD RIDDANCE GOP.

Posted by: ProudLiberal | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Why would you give this slime any credence at all?
Dirt is dirt and slime is slime.
McCain's campaign said they could not win on issues, so they were forced to use smear politics. They took the low road.
That's all anyone should look at this as.
It's garbage and lies from McCain. They know it, America knows it, and you should let it fade into the oblivion John McCain's career will be entering.

Posted by: TheOZ | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

RCC, I never thought of it that way, but you are right-McCain actually FUNDING Osama Bin Laden? HOW reprehensible! I thought the running around and cheating on his sick wife was bad, (yes-Edwards did it too, and I think that was also sleeziness of the first order), marrying a fornicator, calling her the C word, dropping bombs on the Forestall, selling the country out to his largest donor, (Keating), etc., etc., etc. But nothing beats actually providing the seed money to our attacker! OUTRAGEOUS!

Posted by: Biff | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama has casual ties with a "terrorist" from the '60s (is it redundant to point out that he was 8 when Ayers was active with the Weathermen?). Palin is a secessionist. I'd rather have a president with very loose ties to an esteemed college professor though a former 60s activist, than a veep who has outwardly supported state secession as recently as 2006.
All of this is simply a juvenile distraction. McCain does not want to talk about the real issues so he's resorting to GOP gutter politics as usual. Anyone who actually believes Obama is a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer is seriously lacking in the independent and logical thinking departments.

Posted by: Katie | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

So, just because he knows a guy that protested a war, one that was more controversial than the one we're in now makes Obama a bad person or 'shady'? Granted Ayers could have gone about it in a different manner, but at least he still wanted to be part of the USA, unlike Palin...WHO'S MARRIED TO A MAN THAT WANTED ALASKA TO SECEDE... Good job Repulican's, spewing the lies you think will get you a win. How about we talk about the real issues, but then again, when we do you just answer 'I know how to fix it' with no evidence to back up your claim.

OBAMA '08 or BUST

Posted by: pdxguy | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

We've had one dimwit in office for almost 8 years-- electing McCain would mean another dimwit for maybe a term -- we need to go forward, not backwards. The time is right for President Obama

Posted by: Ohio Voter | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen

By DINITIA SMITH (NYT)
Published: September 11, 2001

”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.” Mr. Ayers, who spent the 1970’s as a fugitive in the Weather Underground, was sitting in the kitchen of his big turn-of-the-19th-century stone house in the Hyde Park district of Chicago. The long curly locks in his Wanted poster are shorn, though he wears earrings. He still has tattooed on his neck the rainbow-and-lightning Weathermen logo that appeared on letters taking responsibility for bombings. And he still has the ebullient, ingratiating manner, the apparently intense interest in other people, that made him a charismatic figure in the radical student movement.

Now he has written a book, ”Fugitive Days” (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction. He writes that he participated in the bombings of New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, the Pentagon in 1972. But Mr. Ayers also seems to want to have it both ways, taking responsibility for daring acts in his youth, then deflecting it.

”Is this, then, the truth?,” he writes. ”Not exactly. Although it feels entirely honest to me.”

But why would someone want to read a memoir parts of which are admittedly not true? Mr. Ayers was asked.

”Obviously, the point is it’s a reflection on memory,” he answered. ”It’s true as I remember it.”

Mr. Ayers is probably safe from prosecution anyway. A spokeswoman for the Justice Department said there was a five-year statute of limitations on Federal crimes except in cases of murder or when a person has been indicted.

Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ”Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at,” is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn’t actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ”it’s been quoted so many times I’m beginning to think I did,” he said. ”It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.”

He went underground in 1970, after his girlfriend, Diana Oughton, and two other people were killed when bombs they were making exploded in a Greenwich Village town house. With him in the Weather Underground was Bernardine Dohrn, who was put on the F.B.I.’s 10 Most Wanted List. J. Edgar Hoover called her ”the most dangerous woman in America” and ”la Pasionara of the Lunatic Left.” Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn later married.

In his book Mr. Ayers describes the Weathermen descending into a ”whirlpool of violence.”

”Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,” he writes. But then comes a disclaimer: ”Even though I didn’t actually bomb the Pentagon — we bombed it, in the sense that Weathermen organized it and claimed it.” He goes on to provide details about the manufacture of the bomb and how a woman he calls Anna placed the bomb in a restroom. No one was killed or injured, though damage was extensive.

Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes ..."

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear R Neil,

Since I am a moron.... Ayers and Obama do have a relationship. Look at the statements of fact. Ayers launched his political career. Both worked on a board and met over 14 times. Ayers gave Obama a huge sum of money for "educational programs" which are really designed to indoctrinate young minds to a very radical view of things.. this is not education. And after all the millions spent these students scored no higher on tests than "average" students. So, the effects were nil. They are and have been freindly

Posted by: Moron | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

who really cares?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Market is tanking because investors are weary of an anti-American Obama and his socialist, "global" policies that puts American second.

Posted by: Sam | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tm | October 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Considering Obama outspend Mccain 5 to 1 and the poll rating only improve 10 points lead. It's a abysmal rate of return by any standard. If Obama function as a CEO of a company, the board of director should fire him promptly. Seriously folks, 480 millions is a lot of favors to be repaid after the election.

Posted by: fat and dubious | October 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Travis Jackson | October 10, 2008 5:50 PM

"It amazes me how liberal hatred of George Bush can completely blind then to the facts of Senator Obama. Why people just follow the Chosen One without regard to the facts is un-believeable to me."

With a 24% approval rating, I think it goes BYEOND liberals :) hahaha.

BTW "Travis", what are the facts again? Obama served on the board of a Charitable organization with Ayers amongst numerous others?

....I didn't know the standard practice when working with people was to put them under the hot lights a beat there past out of them. Do yo do that with your co-workers? Go digging up there past?

Posted by: Ryan | October 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

With all of the hand wringing, and mud slinging at the Republican Candidate’s about the Ayers/Obama connection that has been going on in recent days, we seem to have lost sight of the real perpetrators of this conspiratorial connection.

Were it not for the socialistic excesses by the Annenberg Foundation in the form of injecting $50 million in matching grants for education in order to improve schools, Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama may not have had their interaction.

Let us persecute the true villain in this undertaking The Honorable (so called) Walter H. Annenberg.

Supposedly Ambassador Annenberg devoted his attention to philanthropy and public service.

We now know the truth.

Ambassador Annenberg tried to impart socialism in the youth of America by increasing the value of the American educational process. and as we all know, if you let knowledge and truth be taught to the young it can only lead to a revolution against stupidity and lies.

It was Ambassador Annenberg, and his evil Foundation that encouraged the Ayers/Obama connection. Let us take the Annenberg Foundation to task, and ask why it funded such an un-patriotic undertaking as the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

And lest we forget, it is time to look into the rest of the subversives that made up the Chicago Annenberg Challenge board including Susan Crown of the General Dynamics Corp. family; Patricia Graham, former dean of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, and Arnold Weber, past president of Northwestern University and of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago.

The Annenberg Foundation and those who served on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge board need to be reminded of the need to answer the most important question posed to any individual in this nation:

“Are you now, or have you ever been……?”

Keep in mind when you answer that any hearsay from statements, rumors, or innuendo we have gathered is going to be considered TRUTH to refute what you say.

Posted by: lj9283 | October 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The William Ayers matter does indeed "somehow" reflect upon Barack Obama and his character. The fact is that Obama's relationship with urban terrorist Ayers is only the tip of the iceberg. His other chosen adult associations included left-wing extremists, racist ministers, Chicago political hacks, and even criminals. These are despicable people who hold no love for the USA, and it is inconceivable that the relationships have not helped to shape Obama's character and ideology. Nevertheless, the media have served as Obama's apologists and have given him a pass on this subject to an astonishing degree. It is time for the media to do its job and insist that Obama answer this concern in a meaningful way.

Posted by: C Nelson | October 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

This is yet another story of a sketchy relationship that Obama has had. One too many for me....Obama rolls with not the greatest circle of friends. One wonders how a man so young with the waifer thin resume even gets to this point so very fast....something is going on and some money is being spent on this dude...totally untrustworthy. Question this guy people!

Posted by: ES | October 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Get real folks, if you know someone that has gone to jail - then you must be the Devil? Wrong, stop drinking the Republican kool-aid and use the logical side of your brain?

Posted by: Mike B | October 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's play Jeopardy. Answer: "A guy who lived in the same neighborhood as Barak Obama, who is a professor of English in Chicago, who held a party for Barak and Michelle Obama his home." Question: "Who is William Ayers?"

That's not a lie. It may not be detailed, but is anything a politician says detailed? Seriously, this is pathetic.

Posted by: Dennis | October 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I watch more CNN than any other channel. I really like CNN, both the people and the news reporting. However, I have on rare occasions found grievous factual errors in CNN news reports. I feel absolutely certain these errors are not intentional. Nevertheless, they do occur. I too would like to know what Anderson Cooper meant when he said there is much more to the reports about Barack Obama and William Ayers than we have heard so far. Is that true? If it is, let's hear about it. So far though, I haven't heard a shred of evidence to support the allegations that Obama and Ayers are anything more than associates who have served simultaneously on the same organizational boards, simply ships that pass in the night. The president of Northwestern University also served on this same board with Obama and Ayers. Can we therefore conclude that the president of Northwestern University also pals around with terrorists? When this election is over and we can all look back, I am certain that historians will characterize the McCain campaign as a mish-mash of half-baked public policies and a disorganized pack of Karl-Rovian lies.

Posted by: Morton Redner | October 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

This in the tank for Obama stuff has to stop. You people are so stupid that you have been told to believe this so you do. There is a thing called "The Big Ten" for those of you who are writing this I assume you think I mean the conference but I don't. It is the media. Over 90% of the media is owned by these large corporations that are run by rich, white, republican men. Look it up I have a degree in this stuff. They are not in the tank for Obama, he has not done the things McCain has said he's done. HE WORKED WITH AYERS ON EDUCATION and in 1995 Ayers did have a coffee for him (he did not start his campaign in his living room) just read facts. If Obama is consorting with terrorists why didn't McCain bring this up while he was a senator. Wouldn't that be Country First? No no its just when his campaign and what he used to be (a respectable human being) has gone in the tank. Use your brain, get facts and think for yourself. You can support McCain, I can respect that but do with with solid arguements and facts not with believing everything you read or are told by one party or the other.

Posted by: Jessica | October 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Who is Ayers again? Is that Charles Keating? oh wait that was John McCain's bed buddy. I'm thinking of the wrong guy.

Posted by: Pat | October 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

John MCCAIN is guilty of treason. But it is no reason not to vote for him.

It appears the republican party has screwed up so bad, that they do not want the PRESIDENT JOB, thus SARAH &JOHN WHOM THEY THINK no one is dumb enough to vote for them. i sure hope that right

Posted by: airplane | October 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "For example, what exactly did Oblahma..."

Oblahma? Wow, that kind of middle-school humor is usually reserved for message boards about television shows. Well done. I mean, if your goal was to vastly lower the credibility of your comment.

Posted by: Portmanteaux | October 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Mccain think [Americans] should care about Senator Obama's truthfulness.

We do care about truthfulness, Mccain all you do is lie, you should be jailed for you lies, we should never again allow what you’re doing to happen again. We got enough lies from Bush. You really are Mcsame. Your nothing but an old angry man who I now question your war story, my guess is you lied about that too. After all look what you did to your first wife.
You are nothing but a sleaze bag and Palin is no better.

Posted by: Joe | October 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Ayers was Chicago's 1997 Citizen of the Year. Why is this never brought up? He was acquitted. Why is this not talked about. A reaganomics-era Repub was FAR closer to ayers than Obama ever was. mckeating idolizes reagan. Why are these connections not in the stories?
I would also like to point out TROOPERGATE to you pailn droolers. Cross your fingers for that imbisile, the verdict drops today.
Where were you idiots when Hillary vetted this aspect of Obama's past? It's been looked into. mckeating can't come up with anything better than this?

Posted by: Profess | October 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Of course what Obama said is a lie. He lies a lot and has lied about a lot of things. My feeling about the guy is that he'll say anything to get elected. I don't trust a word Obama says and I don't make much of his policy statements because I expect him to change his story the moment the wind changes, and I most certainly don't expect him to follow through on anything he says. Its all just feeding off what he thinks the crowd wants to hear at the given moment.

Posted by: Andrew | October 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

IF FOX NEWS SAYS IT, IT HAS TO BE TRUE, RIGHT!?! RIGHT!?! THEY WOULDN'T DISTORT THE FACTS, WOULD THEY!?! FOR THE LOVE OF PETE, FOX NEWS, TELL ME IT'S GOING TO BE OK!!

Posted by: Wary Of Hypocrites | October 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

pdxguy:

It's not just what he did 40 years ago. How about the article I just quoted from September 11, 2001?! This photograph of Ayers was taken right before 9/11/2001 not 40 years ago:

http://www.uncorrelated.com/Ayers%20US%20Flag%20Stomp.jpg

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I THINK,AS A REPUBLICAN I WOULD NOT BLAME OUR HERO, BECAUSE OUR HERO IS LOOSING PEOPLE'S TRUST AND DID I MENTION HE PULLED OUT FROM MICHIGAN? COWARD ACT FROM GREAT MAVERICK!!!!TALK ABOUT SUBSTANCE PEOPLE NOT GOSSIP!!!

Posted by: ONE REPUBLICAN! | October 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

McCain's latest campaign ploy is nothing short of disgusting. Who is the 'real' John Sidney McCain III?? This should article should answer that question.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | October 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

None of the posters critical of Dobbs' conclusion offer any evidence for their view. The quote from Anderson Cooper is not evidence. It's just more unsubstantiated opinion. No matter how good or bad Ayers was or is, his connection to Obama (based on the evidence) does not defame Obama.

My opinion is that these posters know they're backing a desperate loser. And that he deserves to lose to a better man.

Posted by: HL | October 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

If you can name your state senator or representative (not your US Congress person), odds are you have met him/her somewhere, seen him/her at a picnic, event, etc. If he/she wanted to "launch a campaign" and you had a large living room, you might even host the event. But unless you were really bringing in the votes or the dollars, do you think that this politician would be calling you for advice, ten years later.

Let's get real folks. In the rarified realm of Hyde Park, Illinois, there are many more capable, well-heeled and influential people Obama could hob-nob with if needed, including Nobel Prize winners, so just because he and Ayers live in the same zip code doesn't make them "fellow travelers." More like those "strange bedfellows" that politics supposedly breeds, like McCain and Rev. Hagee or McCain and Keating, or McCain and Palin.

Pay no attention to the financial crisis ahead, let's talk about someone who was a radical forty years ago! Yeah, that's Straight Talk, unfortunately as it is now known. Eight years ago, John McCain stood for something admirable... now he just "knows how to deal with that."

Posted by: Coco Pazzo | October 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Ever wondered what the last name is of this prolific poster/blogger JakeD?

Here it is: Dummkopf. Look up for the etymology of his last name here:

http://www.answers.com/topic/dummkopf

Posted by: Go-Go-Go-Obama | October 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

so what?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

if Obama is that stupid to think we would belive he didn't know what the men did in his past then he shouldn't be president. He know is saying he thinks Mr A was was rehabilitated when he worked with him.. thought when he worked with him he didn't know about his past he was only 8 at the time.. he is saying he didn't know and saying he knew but he was rehabilitated. Witch is it? both are lies. and why did Obama say this at a rally....Obama at a rally in Las Vegas last month, in which he urged supporters to talk to their friends and neighbors, saying "I want you to argue with them and get in their face. sounds like he trying to start trouble

Posted by: jeff | October 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This is getting ridiculous. McCain wants to get on the level of personal character attacks, so how would he react if the Obama campaign began citing his numerous flaws? You _know_ that he would suddenly claim to be taking the high road, and that he's above all this partisan mudslinging. These are just pointless low blows intended to further misinform the American public. It's no wonder most of the McCain/Palin supporters are raging idiots, that's exactly who they're catering to.

And for the record, I believe any true patriot would support the Weather Underground for what they stood for (even if denouncing the bombings). Yet over the last 8 years the word Patriot has been slowly replaced by the word Terrorist. The only kind of "patriot" our government is interested in is the kind who follows orders and gobbles up their tripe, no questions asked. I call that a brainless moron.

Posted by: bkurilko | October 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I can see it now. Democrats back in the White house.

Past :
Bill Clinton blow jobs and swinger parties in the Oval Office.

Possible Future:

Obama dealing heroin and selling arms to terrorist states.

This is not the kind of person I want leading this country Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter, but integrety does and I dont think Obama has any.

Posted by: mthomas | October 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

This Presidential race is not about race due to Obama being African American, but where were all these Character questions when many members of Congress had well know associations with the Klan(whom was bombing civilians)???? Yet this country persecutes him due to knowing Mr Ayers after the fact. Or we ridicule his Pastor making offensive remarks that question a Factual part of our country's history along with the hate our country has shown. The sad part is i've always been Red but fair is fair.....

Posted by: why now.... | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Barrack is a world class artist.

He condemns terrorist Bill Ayers.
He condemns reverend Wright that America deserve 9/11.

Barrack did not have to spent time with them if those people are against his principle.

Verdict: Barrack is guilty.

Posted by: George | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I can see it now. Democrats back in the White house.

Past :
Bill Clinton blow jobs and swinger parties in the Oval Office.

Possible Future:

Obama dealing heroin and selling arms to terrorist states.

This is not the kind of person I want leading this country Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter, but integrety does and I dont think Obama has any.

Posted by: mthomas | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Barrack is a world class artist.

He condemns terrorist Bill Ayers.
He condemns reverend Wright that America deserve 9/11.

Barrack did not have to spent time with them if those people are against his principle.

Verdict: Barrack is guilty.

Posted by: George | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The economy is not tanking due to loans to poor people. It is middle class and upper middle class losing their homes as well. GROW UP. YOUR IDEOLOGY IS SINKING LIKE A STONE. ANY TRUE ECONOMIST KNEW IT WAS VOODOO NONSENSE LONG AGO. Blaming the poor is easy for you racist idological fruitcakes. Blame your ideology of selfishness. It is your god who is punishing you. Good luck in your afterlife. He will ask how you acted towards your fellow man not whether you believe like dumbies that dinosaurs lived with man 6000 years ago

It is surprising it took this long to catch up

Posted by: fredfep | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain-Palin are so deperately trying to tie Obama with Ayers but they will never be successful at this LIE.

The facts are the facts - Sen. Obama was only 8 years old when Ayers engaged in his horrible acts. Some 40 years later, Ayers became a teacher at the Univ. of Chicago. Sen. Obama was a Community Oganizer in Chicago and he first met Ayers when hew was a teacher at the Univ. of Chicago. They sat on a school reform project board with nine other people. They were never friends,and that's all there is to this story. Laterer on when Sen. Obama found out who Ayers was and what he did, he spoke out against his deplorable actions. McCain and the whole world already know this.

No weapon forged against you [ Barack Obama] will prevail, and you [ Barack Obama] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Barack Obama] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Barack Obama] of the LORD, and this is their [ Barack Obama] vindication from me," declares the LORD. - Isaiah 54:17

" I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Barack Obama] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Barack Obama] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Barack Obama] enemies turn their backs and run." - Exodus 23:27

The Lord will rescue me [ Barack Obama] from every evil attack and will bring me [ Barack Obama] safely to his heavenly kingdom. - 2 Timothy 4:18

11 For he will command his angels concerning you [ Barack Obama] to guard you [ Barack Obama ] in all your ways; 12 they will lift you [ Barack Obama ] up in their hands, so that you [ Barack Obama ] will not strike your [his] foot against a stone. 13 You [ Barack Obama ] will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you [ Barack Obama ] will trample the great lion and the serpent. - Psalm 91:11-13

I have given you [ Barack Obama ] authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you [ Barack Obama ]. - Luke 10:19

It's time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It's time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It's time for REAL change in Washington, it's time to elect Barack Obama for president !

Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !

Amen.

Posted by: Obama44thpres | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I can see it now. Democrats back in the White house.

Past :
Bill Clinton blow jobs and swinger parties in the Oval Office.

Possible Future:

Obama dealing heroin and selling arms to terrorist states.

This is not the kind of person I want leading this country Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter, but integrety does and I dont think Obama has any.

Posted by: mthomas | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I can see it now. Democrats back in the White house.

Past :
Bill Clinton blow jobs and swinger parties in the Oval Office.

Possible Future:

Obama dealing heroin and selling arms to terrorist states.

This is not the kind of person I want leading this country Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter, but integrety does and I dont think Obama has any.

Posted by: mthomas | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

May be Obama's coonections with Ayers is not a big deal, but why can he just admitted it?
Why changing story every week?
Obama first saying that he wa only 8 years old when Ayer did the bombings,a few weeks later he say Ayers was just a guy lives in his neighborhood, last week Ayers was some one that help Obama for his political coming out, and today Obama said he thought Ayers has been "rehab'd"

Posted by: konalimu | October 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I find it quite humorous that some of the Obama supporters on here dismiss as "mindless" or "unitellegent" those who are for McCain when all that I read from that person and many others are the democratic talking points. McNasty, McSame, Change Obama etc etc. THAT is mindless. You all are trying to put a boy scout in a General's job.

Posted by: Chris | October 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

THE QUESTION SHOULD BE:

HAS McLIAR TOLD A TRUTH IN THIS CAMPAIGN YET?

Posted by: SARAH FAILIN | October 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/aip_founder_professed_hatred_f.php
“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government… And I won't be buried under their damn flag” -Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaska Independence Party

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/09/10/alaska_secession/
Palin addressed the AIP convention, stating that she shared the party's "vision."
"Keep up the good work," Palin told party members. "And God bless you."

http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/2008/10/wife-to-former.html
From The New York Times: The blue tarp and duct tape in which the remains were wrapped, officials said, matched a description given by a convicted thief, Manfred West, who confessed last summer that he had killed Mr. Vogler in a plastic-explosives sale gone bad and had then buried him.

Posted by: max | October 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

All are Christians who preach God's forgiveness and the imperfection of man. Yet they condemn a man for knowing a man who committed bad acts decades ago before he knew the man.

How about something relevant? How about some presidential leadership?

McCain and Palin are bottom feeders. We don't need trash like them in the Whitehouse. We need people of dreams and integrity.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | October 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Look up the term "Iniquity" sometime. It has to do with stealing from the poor, raising rent on them and legislating oppression.

Then look up the last speach that Abe Lincoln gave and read what he said about (to paraphrase): "At any time when the nation's people feel that it's government is no longer working for it... that it has the right to tear it down and build a new one that DOES".

Then, cry yourself to sleep and wonder how you could ever have been fooled by a group of people who have done nothing but cruel and traiterous acts since Mr. Lincoln's last speach... not to mention selling this nation down the river to England during the first 20 years after they were established.

Do the math JakeD, don't just look at politics as simply a "Blue shirt vs Red shirt" proposition like "My grandaddy was a Republican" ok?

Remember:

Republican = Worker of Iniquity

It is just that simple.

Posted by: a guy with at least half a brain | October 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with you people? Do you honestly think Obama is going to be a terrorist and blow up DC because he may have taken advice from a man who was a radical 40 years ago, but has since grown up and matured to be a respected professor at a respected university? Given six degrees of separation, we're probably all associated with some extremely bad people somewhere, but does that make us bad? Let me remind you that all of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were regarded as "terrorists" until we won and gained our freedom from Britain, so anyone who is remotely related to these patriots are actually descended from terrorists givem that way of thinking.

Get a grip, you're grasping at straws because Obama has proven he is the superior candidate and I for one will be proud to vote for him on November 4th, regardless of whose path he may have happened to cross along the way. His intelligence, candor, and plan for the future of our nation based on an economy driven by alternative energy have convinced me that he is the man to lead us into the 21st century. McCain's time has come and gone and he squandered it by pandering to the worst elements of the Republican party in order to get their votes.

Posted by: wipster | October 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Profess:

Ayers was NOT acquitted -- the charges were dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct -- maybe that's why such a falsehood in not talked about. As for Hillary "vetting" this aspect of Obama's past, I was right there, but if the DEMOCRATS had nominated a child molestor, would that be off-topic in the general election too? Don't worry, this is just the beginning.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Sam | October 10, 2008 5:55 PM

"Market is tanking because investors are weary of an anti-American Obama and his socialist, "global" policies that puts American second."

Yeah, that it! You seem to have a strong understanding of economics.

It amazes me how delusional these GOP supporters are.

Was it Obama that got us into Iraq? Perhaps it was Obama behind the Congressional GOP sex scandals? Who was it again that leaked Valerie Plaim's CIA identity to the press? Obama right? What about wiretapping? Obama again? Abu Ghraib? Yep, that was Obama making em strip naked.

Posted by: Ryan | October 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

OK, you McCain supporters and Obama haters. You might want to go ahead and order your "Don't blame me-I voted for McCain" bumper stickers now, because the man you are slamming will in all likelihood, and I am sure this just burns your eyes, be the next President of the United States.
Why you immature, emotionally charged people want to make a molehill into a mountain when the economy, which is already a mountain, is threatening to crush all of us is just irresponsible to say the least. Idiotic to say the most.
Please don't be content wasting your votes by making decisions based on irrelevant, drummed-up non-issues, but let's try to focus on which candidate is going to create the kind of change on Washington that is going to make it work FOR the people, like it was intended to do from the get-go.
If we let all this meaningless mudslinging influence our votes, WE are the ones who will be left with mud on our faces. Both McCain and Obama will still be getting large congressional paychecks and lifelong financial protection. Don't be a fool!

Posted by: Phlatt Minor | October 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The story on Ayers was checked at the time it came out and many times since. The story is as is posted on this page. I don't know what Cooper may have been addressing since not one single (obviously coached) right winger sending in comments has offered a scintilla of evidence of any kind. Only sleazy innuendo, a Republican specialty for years now since the days of Lee Atwater.

There is much more evidence that McCain was the cause of the USS Forestal disaster that killed over 150 sailors. Why don't you ask Anderson Cooper about that?

Posted by: John S. | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I can see it now. Democrats back in the White house.

Past :
Bill Clinton blow jobs and swinger parties in the Oval Office.

Possible Future:

Obama dealing heroin and selling arms to terrorist states.

This is not the kind of person I want leading this country Republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter, but integrety does and I dont think Obama has any.

Posted by: mthomas | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama lacks or doesn't have integrity at all. "Fact Check" these: 1. Obama was a Muslim but now lies about it. His brother said so and showed a picture proving it. 2. Obama has NO legislation he has brought to this country. 3. Obama voted 97% on the democrat side, proving he is not out to unite democrats and republicans, certainly not the entire country. 4. Obama's Houston Office had a Communist Flag on the wall behind the desk. This office had paid Obama staff. UTube that. 5. Google 155 Obama lies and see what you get. You want some lies? 155 are a good start!

Posted by: John | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I the fact that Obama mistakenly called him an English professor when he teaches Education really shows how much connection they have. And, as he said, IT WAS ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO!

Posted by: Josh | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Where's all the talk about McCain's association with John Singlaub and McCain's connection to the Iran-Contra affair? Charlie Keating is so yesterday...Singlaub himself does not recall McCain resigning from the group....I am whining why isn't the media chatting this up? don't they want to know the truth?

Posted by: Pax | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The board they sat on together was for an education, not anti-poverty, organization. Also, the initiative sought to install a radical, left-wing ideology in public schools.

Posted by: Willie Joe | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"if Obama is that stupid to think we would belive he didn't know what the men did in his past then he shouldn't be president. He know is saying he thinks Mr A was was rehabilitated when he worked with him.. thought when he worked with him he didn't know about his past he was only 8 at the time.. he is saying he didn't know and saying he knew but he was rehabilitated. Witch is it? both are lies. and why did Obama say this at a rally....Obama at a rally in Las Vegas last month, in which he urged supporters to talk to their friends and neighbors, saying "I want you to argue with them and get in their face. sounds like he trying to start trouble"

Your wandering, garbled statement further proves the point I just made above. Without the ability to construct a logical or grammatically correct sentence, you must truly be incapable of understanding why McCain's numerous missteps and screw-ups are so insulting to reasonable people. You're probably all over Palin, being that your reading levels are comparable.

Posted by: bkurilko | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

What does it say about one's character when they have to resort to the tactics that the McCain campaign is spewing. They have glomed onto something that they think allows them to label Obama as a terrorist without actually saying so. And they are out there inciting crowds to shout out "terrorist" and "kill him". Is this not insane?!?! What have we become people?

Posted by: MikeH | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD well since you ask, the lead prosecutor DID speak out. Check out today's New York Times letter section. There is a letter from William Ibershof himself. You'll find it under "Prosecuting Weathermen" in which is says he is "amazed and outraged" that Obama is being linked to Ayers in this fashion. Read it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/l10ayers.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Posted by: Sandra | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Richard R
Obama and Ayers were - and are - much closer than "a guy in my neighborhood."

So what's your premise? Obama is running for president so he can help ayers accomplish his mission? And I thought the far left had a lock on conspiracy theories.
The republican party is crumbling from within. The GOP better get it's act together cause it's poised to be watching from the sidelines for a very long time.

Posted by: ohhhthepossibilities | October 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Why is this "fact checker" checking McCain’s story? If McCain is exaggerating, that makes him a politician. We already knew that his was a politician. If Obama is truly understating is connection to Ayers, this makes Obama a communist. I’m more interested in checking Obama’s facts in this instance. This "fact checker" seems to be nothing more than an Obama apologist. McCain isn't clean, everyone knows that. He talks like a conservative and votes like a socialist. The real question is not whether McCain is a politician; but, whether Obama is a communist activist. What does a militant communist activist like Ayers see in Barack Obama? What made Ayers fall in love with Obama? I speak in detail about this in my blog

www.liberty-gazette.com

Posted by: Liberty_Gazette | October 10, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"the halls of Congress would be empty."

No, that will only happen if McCain somehow does get into office, then disbands Congress, declares the Republican Party the only legal party, and establishes Martial Law to protect all "true Americans" from the rest of the human race. Personally I am quite scared of the possibility of this Fascist getting into the Oval Office on a platform of hate. How very Christian of him. If McCain wins, get ready to carry your passport, voter registration card, and GOP Party Membership papers with you everywhere you go; otherwise you may find yourself sitting in a cell in Gitmo.

Posted by: maximumverb | October 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

gut with half a brain:

So, no comment on the NYT article or picture?

wipster:

I do not think Obama is going to be a terrorist and blow up D.C. just because he may have taken advice from a man who was a radical 40 years ago. That's just one piece of the puzzle.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Come on, this article is ridiculous. How many people out there politically associate themselves with a known terrorist bomber, the likes of Timothy McVeigh? Does anybody honestly believe Ayer's has changed his ideas about the US and that Obama was ignorant of those ideas? Not only does Obama have intimate knowledge of Ayer's past, I am convinced he agrees with his radical ideas about education, national defense, and his anti-capitalist ideas. How many times can Obama claim ignorance about those he associates, while so many others know the facts about these radicals he associates himself, and Obama still maintain any credibility?

Posted by: alaskee | October 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, it's only the beginning of the end of your lame candidates. In 1 month time, Obama will be our next President. And you'll finally have to retreat back to your little dark hole and eat crow.

Wanna put some money where your mouth is?

Posted by: Ryan | October 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL YOU ANGRY MCCAIN SUPPORTERS WHO BELIEVE IN THE AYRES/OBAMA TIE, I'M SURE YOUR PARTY WILL WIN THE SAME WAY BUSH DID BY MALIGNING HIS OPPOSITION.

I ASSUME YOU ALL BACK PALIN'S "ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY" SINCE HER SECESSION BELIEFS WILL BE PART OF HER FOCUS WHEN IN OFFICE.

BUSH HAS LED US TO THE MESS WE ARE IN NOW, SO YOU ARE IN FOR EVEN WORSE BY HER BELIEFS AND MCAINS TIES TO G.GORDON LIDDY & ORGANIZATIONS THE PRESS KEEPS UNDER WRAPS.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

McCrazy is a hypocritical reincarnation of everything wrong with the Republican party and America. I used to have some respect for McCrazy before he started running, and even believed him that he would run an honest campaign not filled with mud slinging and smear tactics. His complete about face and erratic behaviour over the last few months is very troubling, and this rediculous guilt by association smear game he is playing is just stupid. Anyone with half a brain can see this. If he were to play this game with himself he would force himself to withdraw his nomination given the depths of his sordid past.

Posted by: I used to like McCain... | October 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

OOOHHH, what a bonanza. The Republicans hit on a jackpot.


UHH, not really.

Don't get your panties tied up in a knot for nothing. (Save that for when you look at your latest 401K statement......)

If the details about Ayers were top secret and hidden, it would be one thing. But just do a simple Google search. There is nothing to hide. It doesn't take an expensive ad from Obama to repudiate this ridiculous insinuation that somehow having served on the same antipoverty campaign and occasionally working with Ayers on other matters that many other people have also been involved in somehow makes Obama a terrorist. OOOHHHHHHH......

What about all the other people involved in the Annenberg challenge, some of them prominent Republicans. ARe they terrorists? Why don't they come out and admitted.

This is a ridiculous Hail Mary by McCain/Palin, just like inciting crowds to assassinate him.


What is this country coming to?


Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

TO ZANE: Your view is so cherry, so is Charles Manson, after all he hasn't hurt anyone in 30 or 40 years. As the old oriental saying goes: "when your view of a man is clouded, look to his friends".

Posted by: Zaner | October 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I dont understand why any one would think abama is qualafied to the president he has no experience their are tomany un answered questions about him his views and ideas are socialistic marxist why would you not want to live in a free country

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Why read an article if you're not going to actually take anything from it? Most of these negative comments are using almost the exact same verbiage as the McCain camp to state their "individual opinion" about this article. It's sad how those who have already made up their minds will latch on to any shred of dirt they can find about Obama, fabricated or exaggerated. Really sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I hate mud fight. I was going to vote for McCain, now he has just lost my vote. Can he run a clean race? *sigh*
Stop fingerpointing, show me the beef! People are worrying about bringing food to the table, not a mud fight. Come on McCain, show me the beef to win my vote back. As for Obama, I think people like me still have hard time to vote for him. Experience really counts, just look how good of a job Bush did. I voted for Bush because he was a good man, a family man. Invading Iraq is probably the single most costly decision for the American families. Just imagine having all that cash to solve the current financial problem.
Now how are we going to solve the NK and Iran nuke problem? Can we get more friends than enemy in this world? Americans used to be welcomed everywhere in the world. What is going on? The word "American" means truth, justice, and generosity to many people in the world. I think we have lost that spirit. Now we can't afford to be generous, but can we still keep the truth and justice in our spirit? Please...
*sigh*

Posted by: An independent voter | October 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

After reading, can you really think our country would be better off with Mccain. A man who routinly missues the word terrorist, who can't be trusted with telling you the truth because he spins the only bad thing he can find about obama. Can you call a man who is agnry with his own government a terrorist? That word has be so over used to evnoke fear that people wont vote for him because of the association.

If Mccain wins, move to Canada and beyond, because this man will be like bush or worse. Atleast Obama can give hope to a change in the current philosipies that are pervailing in America.

Posted by: ASMad | October 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

You all get so wrapped up in the smear campaigns that you fail to notice what either candidate stands for or plans to do for the Country. Can't you see that they're side tracking you?!! Pay ATTENTION!! Demand answers!! When either one of them wants to talk about the other candidate tell them to stick to the issues. This is ridiculous and it's the same old thing every 4 years!! We are so easily lead astray! Wake up people!

Posted by: ATTENTION USA!! | October 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

It's soooooooooo funny how Post FACTS claims McCain's ads ignores to state certain facts... while the "supposed" fact-checkers fails to tell the complete story of Ayers favoring Obama.

WHY is it soooo hard for people to understand this?

(1) Obama says he doesn't know him, while his sr advisor said they were "certainly friendly" (Obama and Ayers) during the primary. Then
(2) Then he was chosen by Ayers to run the Millions of dollars to the no where education reform. Yet... somehow he still doesn't really know Ayers, then
(3) Ayers gave him a politica party at his house, then he still claims he doesn't know Ayers' history (Eventhough Connie Chung did an interview w/Ayers in early 2000's) while they were working together, then
(4) His wife recently says that all the Chicago politicians knows Ayers (and if you know chicago politicians... that's not a good group to compare with), then
(5) Obama stated today or yesterday that he thought Ayers was reformed. Okay... so, which is it? And did he lie to you? Of course he did... that's black and white lie

Obama's LARGEST executive experience was handling the fund Ayer's chose him for went NOT to Chicago Public Schools but to who knows which (oh, one was to ACORN)... and did that money help the Chicago education? Absolutely NOT... and everyone who knows about it, says it's a complete waste of money.

Another lie: Wright is my spiritual leader, he wed me, baptist my children, ... then, Oh, I didn't know his views... eventhough I know him for 20 years, I didn't know his views. Okay... right, whatever you say.

Then there's ACORN, lawyer for them for 5 years, gave them hundreds of dollars

Oh, then there's Rezco... I know all old stories. So why the Ayers story now? New found documentation to show that he lied... but of course, Obama's followers will say "oh, he's perfect... it's McCain who's being shady". Seriously, these mentalities of Obama is a saint is getting ridiculous...

why hide the truth if he thinks what he did is right. For all you know, if he tells it straight to the people, they all may agree w/him that this country likes reform... to the socialist views. Obviously there are tons of people who thinks socialist views are not a bad thing, so why hide it. Tell the truth and the people can decide.

Let's vote yes for an educated vote. Not a blinded and hiding of the votes. Everyone knows McCain, but really, who is Obama? Why hide behind curtains ... if people like you, they'll still like you. Men don't hide come to the light Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The St. Petersburg Times (FL) reports the names of 14 "prominent people at least as connected to Ayers as Barack Obama." http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article846966.ece

Are these individuals also, as Senator McCain says, terrorists? Or, how are their relationships to Ayers different so as not to describe them as terrorists?

Posted by: PJO110 | October 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

First, here is what was actually said about the Obama/Ayers connection on Anderson Cooper's show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvROBLortBQ

Now, for those outraged republicans here, I think you are absolutely correct. Anyone who would take money and support from someone who supports and old '60s terrorist is unfit to be President. The thing is, the only one who fits that bill is...John McCain...

The Annenbergs financed to programs Obama chaired. They are also supporters and donors to John McCain's campaign. so I guess you folks will be voting for Obama, lol. And if that isn't enough for you, how about McCain's membership in a radical right-wing hate group? Or Palin's association with the Alaska successionist group that her husband belonged to? Last year she appeared at their convention and told them to "keep up the good work". She not only sought this group's support, she gave their leader a position once she was successfully elected mayor of Wasilla.

Before you start down the path of guilt by association, one should be mindful who you yourself have associated with in the past.

None of this nonsense is going to stick, because even and moron can see what is really going on here and more importantly, who the liars truly are. Personally, I hope McCain keeps it up; every day he loses more and more ground as the public sees a decent man attacked by an erratic old man and a failed beauty pageant contestant who doesn't realize the her 15 minutes of fame are almost up. I only worry that they will start talking about the issues, like the collapse of our economy, although I think if they could speak to that intelligently, they would.

Posted by: Jim - Pa | October 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Richard R,

Yeah, right. And I'm sure the space aliens helped you out with the analysis.

Posted by: Wes | October 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Why is the media rewarding McCain for such negative campaigning. Headlines read: McCain accuses Obama . . . : Palin accuses . . ..

Since Obama has not raised the issue of McCain's temperment, it does not get raised; yet republicans, especially in AZ. and some republican senators have sad the thought of John McCain as president scares them with his temper.

Why is there no original journalism? And noat just respond to attack adds?

THank,

Posted by: Jane | October 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey "Posted by: alaskee | October 10, 2008 6:06 PM"

Just for the record, when was the first time you heard the name William Ayers?

Posted by: Ryan | October 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

So let's see....my the Republican's logic, Obama is a terrorist because of his association with Ayres.... then McCain must be a Communist because of his years of association with the Viet Cong!

Let's kick him off the ticket and put Palin in charge, after all, she's got Ovaries, a Rifle, and Bible! What else do you need to run the country?

Signed - Embarassed to Witness the debasement of our Political System.

Posted by: Eric Anderson | October 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

So Obama knows Ayers and may even have been helped by him to launch his political career. Even if true, we should look at the Ayers that Obama met in the 1990's. By that time he had reformed himself into a person that clearly is making a positive contribution to society, quite different than the young idealist radical of his youth. So what is the harm in associating with a person who has reformed and no is such a positive role model.

I agree with the person who equated this sort of allegation to the tactics used by Joe McCarthy. Guilt by association, reguardless whether true or not.

Obama has spoken out against the Ayers that committed wrongful acts and associated with the one that was named man of the year for his community service and humanity. I, for one, applaud him for being willing to look past the mistakes Ayers committed in the past and recognize him for what he has become.

Posted by: Discussedbyitall | October 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain has been with his friend for years at has gotten over 4,100 Americans killed based on a lie, and his name is G.W.BUSH

Posted by: Va for change | October 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

http://www.tampabay.com/features/humaninterest/article846966.ece

The above is a partial list of people and organizations who were also involved with Ayer's projects.

LET'S LYNCH THEM ALLLLLLLL.....


Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Think people! THINK!!!!
The McPalin campaign and its supporters continue to insist that Ayers is a terrorist. Doesn't America have a strong policy position on any country that harbors terrorists? What are they planning?

Posted by: Gettin All Mavericky up in here | October 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

From my view there is such intensity in the effort to get Obama elected that even bringing up reasonable questions is attacked or dismissed. 911 proved how vulnerable our democratic ideals are to terrorist attacks and Tim McVeigh showed how they can come from inside. The fear is real so why wouldn't we want to know all about the connection and I mean with a magnifier!! I know I wouldn't get into ANY kind of professional or nonprofessional relationship with terrorists even if they bombed something 20/40 years ago, so questioning THE PRESIDENTIAL candidate who steered money to the "terrorist" as defined by the FBI, worked on education projects with the "terrorist" I WANT TO KNOW ALL ABOUT IT AND IN DETAIL BEFORE I VOTE AND PREFERABLY FROM THE CANDIDATE HIMSELF. The Rev. Wright thing was interesting also because Obama first said he never heard the anti America sermons, then he said he wouldn't disown him just like he wouldn't disown the black community or his grandma and then he DISOWNED the guy. I didn't understand what Gradma and the black community had to do with Anti Americanism either, but Obama linked them very passionately in his explanations. Troubling is also the pattern in that all these figures shared a hatred for the country and its ideals. Obama must share the philosophy at some level otherwise it doesn't make sense all the time, money and effort he invested with these groups. We spend our busy lives connecting professionally or socially with groups, organizations with whom we share ideas, activities and beliefs. It is confusing to me that Obama has spent 20 years going to a church that is Anti American, steered money to a terrorist and steered millions to other organizations that are engaged in voter fraud. What makes it confusing is that he tries to be soo different in his presidential statements. What kind of president is he going to make with this history? ARe all these people going to be walked into the White House once he is elected?? If so, I am worried so I don't think McCain should be faulted from brining this up since the press is doing a disservice to the public given their blatant endorsement and support of Obama. The Hillary thing is also an example of Obama's lack of leadership because he and his supporters pushed her out and then decided not to give her the VP role though she really had earned a role in the future of the Dem. party!! IT was the first failure in leadership in my eyes because he just wasn't strong enough to bring his opponent from his party to help him unify the country which led to Palin. Is this the future of American under Obama? A more divided and polarized country?

Posted by: Lola Cornwell | October 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post continues to abdicate it's responsibility to actually commit investigative journalism in reference to the Obama campaign.
Merely restating Obama talking points IS NOT doing your supposed jobs!
There is plenty of evidence out there that Ayers and Obama had a far closer relationship than Obama has EVER let on.
Do your damn job and report on that!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked the McCain campaign has not alluded to Obama being a *gasp* SMOKER!

They'd probably get more traction from that than the idiotic Ayers charges.

Personally, I think the two-party system must come to an end. Until then, you will keep getting the "best government money can buy"

GLTA
Jon

Posted by: NoParty | October 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Ayers was funded by Republicans, the Annenbergs, who also gave money to George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, Strom Thurmond, Fred Thompson, and Rick Santorum, to name a few. Is this whole lot a pack of conspiring terrorists also?

Posted by: Sandra | October 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

What the hell does this have to do with my 401K, which just lost 30% in one week?? How pathetic this race has become. McCain trades his honor for these baseless attacks. But guess what, NO ONE CARES. What people care about is their retirement savings and peace. McCain has lost, face it.

Posted by: Dan Rains | October 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Now it is clear who is dividing....
The looser.......

Posted by: jasang | October 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

What about McCain's links to the American traitor g. gordon liddy??

Posted by: McNot | October 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Sandra:

That's the same guy who botched the original charges against Ayers, right?

Josh:

For the last time, it's not just what Ayers did 40 years ago. How about the article I just quoted from September 11, 2001?! That's only SEVEN years ago. This photograph of an unrepentant Ayers, stomping on an American flag, was taken right before 9/11/2001 not 40 years ago:

http://www.uncorrelated.com/Ayers%20US%20Flag%20Stomp.jpg

Did Obama not KNOW who he was then either?!

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Why is this even relevant? Who cares what someone did when Barak Obama was 8 years old? I could care less about their relationship. I mean, all you Christian Conservatives need to stop calling yourselfs Christians because you obviously do not believe in Christ's teachings.

Posted by: IIell | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Fact:
1.At the end of the Clinton administration: we had a surplus
2.After 8 years of the Bush administration: a.we are fighting 2 wars, blowing through 10 billion/month for 1 of them
b.We doubled the national debt to over 10 Trillion
c.Our real estate is worth close to nothing
d.We're in deep financial crisis: DOW lost >30% in a week, my 401K lost 50% in value, all major bank either bankrupted or coming close to bankruptcy.
So what does Bill Ayers have anything to do with this?
I want the next president to be able to handle the economical crisis at hand instead of pulling some stupid publicity stunt of suspending the campaign to try to score some political points which back fired.
So stop all this nonsense and deal with the issue that really is matters.

Posted by: abc | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

....Ayers worked with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley in shaping the city's school reform program,[36]and was one of three co-authors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge grant...

Of Course Ayers worked on the Annenberg Challenge - Obama was also a Chairman of a sister organization that worked with Ayers on that project. That's how they know each other so well!! This was all recently released.

Ayers - just a "guy in my neighborhood", Rashid Kallili - just " a guy I know"
Rev. Wright - just some preacher
When does it stop with this guy?

I don't care for McCain that much, but if he held a fundraiser at the home of a white supremacist when starting his career, the media would never let that get by. And yes, that is a perfect analogy

Posted by: Josh | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

ABSOLUTE NONSENSE. IF MCCAIN IS HOPING THIS IS GOING TO WIN A ELECTION FOR HIM.......

Posted by: JOHNSON | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine why Obama would give testimonials supporting Palestinian terrorists, side by side with Ayers in 2005 were they not more than just acquaintances.

Obviously, they also hold the same views and that's what's scary.

Posted by: RightView | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Cracking me up mthomas, look up John Singlaub your boy Johnny was selling arms to terrorist groups well before it was chic....and you forgot George Bush: lying to America to get us into a war, shredding the Constitution and using it as toilet paper-- that's just the tip of the iceberg and all much more impeachable offenses than Clinton's "BJ's in the Oval Office"

Posted by: True American | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin are sleazy liars. My first candidate was McCain until around April of this year he completely changed into a scumbag.

Those of your still supporting him are fools who don't know that McCain will definitely run this country into the ground with his lies and sleaziness.

Posted by: RR | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

What a crock...coming clean after his original statment was proven to be inaccuarate is still lying. If his original statement had been accepted as fact...Obama would not have further laborated. That would have left it as a lie.

Let me see if I got this straight...as long as someone tells the truth after first telling you a lie...then he has not lied? I guess it takes a liberal mind to wrap around that reasoning.

Even the typical 7 year old knows doing so is still a lie. So fact check that.

Posted by: dan | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

The spin goes, William Ayers bombed the capital and pentagon in the 60’s when Obama was 8 years old. Obama sat on the Chicago Woods Fund board with William Ayers in 1999 so this makes Obama a terrorist sympathizer!

Well hold on… let’s do our American duty and do some digging because our news companies no longer do this for us….

First, the Chicago Woods Fund is a foundation that works primarily as a funding partner with nonprofit organizations to provide poverty relief and help the promotion of social mobility in the Chicago metropolitan area. There are 7 board members who sit on that board so I guess that makes them all by Republican Neo-Con standards a terrorist cell, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woods_Fund_of_Chicago

Now what they don’t go into with this spin is that William Ayers has also sat on other boards. One of these organization that Ayers co-Chaired was called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Annenberg_Challenge

Ayers was one of 3 co-authors of the Annenberg Challenge Grant Proposal which won $49.2 Million from the Annenberg Foundation. The Annenberg founders are Walter & Leonore Annenberg who are the people who actually gave Ayers the money. Mrs. Annenberg is listed as an Ambassador for supporting McCain’s campaign and has donated the max of $2,300 in May 2008.

So again using Republican Neo-Con logic, John McCain is accepting money from a woman that has a “domestic terrorist” knowingly on her board and funding them. She is a terrorist sympathizer. Here are some other Republican’s that have accepted money from Mrs. Annenberg who again is someone that is funding terrorism:

George W Bush
Fred Thompson
Arlen Spector
Rick Santorum
Jon Kyle
Elizabeth Dole
Bob Dole
Richard Shelby
John Warner
David Dreier
Olympia Snowe
Jon Fox
Christine Todd Whitman.

2008 Cycle Donations:
http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/donor_lookup.php?name=annenberg

Here are some other notable Chicago Annenberg Challenge board members:

1. David Kearns - former Deputy Secretary of Education under Bush I; former CEO of Xerox; Chairman of NASDC, a Bush I reform initiative for Education; WORKED FOR & DONATED TO McCAIN'S PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN IN 2000 AND AGAIN IN 2008.

2. Arnold Weber - former member of Nixon Administration; former President of Northwestern University and U of Colorado. Board Member of Tribune Company. DONATED TO McCAIN'S CAMPAIGN.

Other Board Members include leaders in the Education community including professors, deans, and presidents at some of the country's most prestigious colleges. They include: Dr. Patricia Albjerg Graham, Deborah Leff, Adele Smith Simmons, Vartan Gregorian, Ted Sizer, Warren Chapman and Anne Hallett.

Something else to think about, if Obama’s a terrorist and McCain’s policy is to not negotiate with terrorists why has he gotten up on stage with him twice??

Posted by: Sammy | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Do your damn jobs and report on the close relationship between Obama and Ayers that has existed from 1995 till now.

Posted by: Steve - MD | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"That McCain ad is so sleazy it reeks. The economy is tanking, Afghanistan is a disaster, people are dying in Iraq....and McCain thinks it's important to connect Obama with activities that occurred when he was eight years old."

That's almost right. This issue is simple: While our American soldiers are out there fighting terrorism in Afganistan and Iraq, Obama is involved with domestic terrorists here at home. Do you think that with that kind of vision, that he would be a good presidential candidate?

Obama also promised to stop the Iraq war and bring the soldiers home. Now he's changed his tune again and says that when Iraq is over all the soldiers are going to Afgan. It seems like the more he learns and the more he understands, the more his tune changes closer to those he's trying to look different from.

Posted by: VoteNoToObama | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"This photograph of Ayers was taken right before 9/11/2001 not 40 years ago. In a news story PUBLISHED on 9/11, he said regreated not killing more people in his terrorist attacks on the Pehtagon and Congress:

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 5:52 PM"
-------
So someone PUBLISHED it on 9/11, so sue the publisher. In case you forgot, our founding fathers fought and died for the right to free expression, we can stand on the flag, wrap ourselves in it, talk about it, make our own if we want to, it is our right.

BTW: Ayers said he thought he should have done more to stop the vietnam war, not that "he regretted not killing more people" as you claim.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

good analysis, but it won't do anything to affect the Loony Tunes who are coming out of the woodwork now that McCain/Palin are inciting a mob mentality!

boy, the freaks on all sides are really starting to show their colors!

Posted by: Dave | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

SDS: Students For A Democratic Society... Jeeze, I wanted to join myself. Bill Ayers would have made a better president than friggin' Richard Nixon and his buddy Kissinger (both CROOKS in my book). Maybe some of those 30,000+ dead-guys would have come home to their families.

In 1969, I was 18, the last thing I wanted to do was be sent to Vietnam to drop Napalm on other Human Beings- or get my own head blown-off for another American unjust war. McCain is NO WAR hero... do some homework on his stay at the Hanoi Hilton. The guy graduated 5th from the bottom of his Naval class, and then bragged that he was only five spots away from being the bottom of the class... turns out he could have shaken then presidents Ikes hand if he had been the very bottom guy. Even EX Vietnam Vets hate what McCain stands for; http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

Posted by: NoMcCain! | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

It is the ECONOMY ECONOMY ECONOMY ECONOMY!and HEALTHCARE HEALTHCARE HEALTHCARE!
Who cares about black or white, Ayers,muslim, christian, etc.
I need a president that CAN fix our ECONOMY. Both candidates need to discuss MORE on how to solve this ECONOMY crisis and healthcare, NOT bickering about Ayers, association, etc...
GOD HELP US ALL!

Independent Voter

Posted by: Ben | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

mccain is saying obama is one of the axis of evils.. Where do I heard that before.

Posted by: judge | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION USA!! | October 10, 2008 6:08 PM, I agree Atttention (sticking to what's important and issues). BUT would you agree that past records are important? Would you agree that a man's or woman's core is important? their character is important? I would imagine that a man's action is VERY dependent on his beliefs yes? So how is character not important in a president? WHAT if... just WHAT if, there are people who wants to know the man behing the policies? And is he willing to take action on what he promises? Or will he make promises to everyone... just because? Would you agree that Action needs to follow words? So it comes back to past experiencesa and actions yes?

I knew you're smart.

Posted by: Kim | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Given there are about 5 posts a minute, I don't imagine anyone will read any of these posts and we are all just ranting. Nevertheless, I encourage readers to click this link from the (largely right wing) economist magazine. What are we to make of 99.7% of the PLANET EARTH being in favour of Obama? http://www.economist.com/vote2008/?source=hpevents&source=hpevents
Can everyone be wrong?

Posted by: Lawrence | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Dude, hard to call it a lie? "A guy that lives in my neighborhood"? That's like calling your mom and old room-mate.

Posted by: Arem | October 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

John McCain picked Sara Palin to be his Vice-President.
That choice alone should disqualify him for running for office.

Posted by: Josh | October 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine why Obama would give testimonials supporting Palestinian terrorists, side by side with Ayers in 2005 were they not more than just acquaintances.

Obviously, they also hold the same views and that's what's scary.

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/mideast-parley-takes-ugly-turn-at-columbia-u/8725/

Posted by: RightView | October 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Furthermore, McCain released this week a list of 100 people endorsing his White House bid. Second on his list is Leonore Annenberg, president of the Annenberg Foundation, who funded the Chicago education board where Barack Obama and William Ayers sat in the room six times together.

Ipso facto, McCain = terrorist sympathizer. And, since Sarah Palin has sat in meetings with McCain, so is she.

Posted by: Sandra | October 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Ryan:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be our President in a month, neither will he be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

McNot:

Get your own thread.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Do your damn jobs and report on the close relationship between Palin and the AIP that has existed from 1995 till now.

Posted by: Steve - MD | October 10, 2008 6:11 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of the divisiveness in this country. It is obvious that one faction is not going to change the other's mind. If you support McCain, you don't want to listen to anyone that disagrees with you and the same goes for Obama supporters.

This country is in a very precarious situation right now and what we DON'T need is to be divided. We need to work together to dig our way out (regardless of who's fault it is - does that really matter now? - there is plenty of blame to go around).

Whoever ends up as President needs our support, regardless of party. I, personally am beginning to think that we are getting what we deserve - maybe it is time we learned that material things aren't as important as the basic of respect for your fellow human beings.

Posted by: Laura | October 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

It's coming! It's coming!

I have visions of the biggest upset in history when Barry Obama looses this election due to the fact that the dumb ass liberals got behind another looser.

Libs never do a real analysis of there candidate. They just hate Republicans out of jealousy then will vote for the opposing party.

Libs are so racist and angry peeps.

Posted by: Libs are such racists | October 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

So now the truth is out! Obama is a left wing terrorist, who's thrown the U.S. into financial chaos, who has a secret pass which involves unknown contacts with sinister unknown persons. What a pathetic smear campaign McCain has started. I, until now, have always thought highly of McCain and would have voted for him in the last campaign, however he is embarrassing himself.

Maybe, Obama should bring up the relationship of McCains V.P. , and her husbands relationship with the Alaska Independence Party. The AIP's main objective is for Alaska to become independent from the rest of America. Palin addressed their State Convention, and her husband was an active member (sound like treason?). Or how about Palin's attempt to ban books in the town library where she was mayor. How about McCains involvement in the Iran Conta fiasco, or his involvment with the criminals in the savings and loan scandal in the late 1980's. Does his close friendship with Keating make him a person who is shady. Of course not. We voters are not fooled by garbage politics.

Posted by: bluegrass | October 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ayers and Obama. Obama and Ayers. No matter how you cut it, you have two guys lying out their backsides. Then there's Obama's umbilical connection to the Chicago political machine but don't get me started on this.

Elect Obama and you might as well write off the country for the next 10-12 years because that's how long it will take us to recover from his ill-conceived ideology.

Posted by: scr9268 | October 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Anderson Cooper makes $4 Million a year. If I made that much money I'd be into McCain's tax plan. Wouldn't you? You think Ted Turner's backing Obama's economic plan? The man owns more land than any other American; and good for him.

The sad thing about the corporate media's coverage of this election is it's not about informed issues. It's about religious ideology, race and fear. CNN, Fox, MSNBC...all of these networks know this and they're milking all three dry.

You ARE being lied to. I'm just not sure you know by who, unfortunately. If you're making under $250 grand and you're still backing McCain, I'm at a loss for words. If you can watch Sarah Palin do anything for more than 30 seconds and feel ok about putting her into any position of power over you...wtf?

Posted by: Faux News | October 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain has quite a colorful past excluding the Charles Humphrey Keating Jr. affair.

From his treatment of his wife to, by his own admission, his errant ways before, during and immediately after his capture.

Here is a 'hero' who were psychoanalysts really come out and say it, is still trying to measure up to his more illustrious immediate ancestors, both admirals. McCain is still trying to gain favor with his dad and grand dad by becoming president, and what better way than to become the Commander In Chief, a rank he could not hope to attain in his wildest nightmares had he remained in the Navy!

This explains his bottled up anger. He cannot believe a guy 'that one' who has never even served as a scout can become the next CIC. Thus the negativity in his campaign.

I want the Obama campaign to go after McCain will all they got! It's time his dirty linen is aired in public.

PS. Just heard him on CNN urging his supporters to respect Obama! That is quite a radical shift! McCain could be a maverick after all!


Posted by: Joepublic | October 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I heard Obama and Ayers are actually “Gay Lovers” and if Obama is elected, he is going to dump Michele and marry Ayers!

Posted by: Scot | October 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post is a bunch of liberal garbage. Its only benefit to society is that it makes good packing material.

Friend of McCain

Posted by: Darin Jaquette | October 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Commander in Chief OF THE ARMY, not of the citizens. Get that straight. We need someone who knows something on issues. McCain really doesn't even know how to run a war, why do you think he does, because he says so?

He is as experienced at it as Obama, not one iota more. He has no influence and little respect from his fellow Senators, none from the House, disabled veterans give him F ratings (look it up, he votes against most GI benefit bills, including this year's GI Bill, saying improved benefits would encourage leaving the armed forces.)

He was a flyboy, one who mostly crashed jets. He's never led a war, a division, anything. He doesn't even talk big anymore.

If he was a Democrat you'd laugh at him, if Palin was male she would be mocked so much more than she is, she would get zero respecta t all. And you know-nothings know it.

And by the way calling McCain McIdiot is not even close than calling him a commie terrorist secret moslem fundamentalist Maoist-Leninist Charismatic Christian anarchist terrorist, whatever all that contracdictory stuff has to do with each other, but you people don't really use most of your brain so I give you a pass on that, at least you don't mostly write unintelligibly as Palin speaks

Posted by: fep | October 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Here We Go | October 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain has a longstanding and ongoing relationship with a man who was arrested in the state of Florida for his use of drugs and fake prescriptions used to purchase drugs.

When is McCain going to explain why he supports druggies and welcomes their support in his campaign? Why doesn't McCain come clean on his own history of drug use?

Do we really want a president who supports drug addicts? After 8 years of one president with a longstanding history or drug and alcohol use... that's not change, its more of the same.

p.s. the drug addict referenced is none other than the America hating traitor and Bin Laden supporter, Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: WHAT ABOUT MCCAIN AND DRUG DEALERS? | October 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Fact of the matter is , John McCain himself said he was'nt fit to hold the post's in his military service, he only got positions because of his father and grandfathers connections.
And even after his POW experience, where he says he has lived longer than anywhere in his life, which is probably true considering he bounces between his 13 homes AND SPENDS MORE TIME OUTSIDE OF ARIZONA than IN, You all want to paint him as the right guy for the job.
Considering his ties to ORGANIZED CRIME, which is why he married Cindy in the first place,and where he received ALL OF HIS UPSTART FINANCING into his political career, Actually makes JOHN SIDNEY MCCAIN MORE OF A DOMESTIC TERRORIST THAN AYERS ever was.
John ABANDONED his wife and Family AFTER returning from Hanoi,even though she waited all the while for him.
McCain repeatedly admits HE WOULD NEVER BE WHERE HE IS TODAY IF IT WERENT FOR HIS FAMILYS MILITARY HISTORY, he was'nt smart enough, or concerned enough about serious matters to show any interest but to bolster his own image.
HE AND HIS WIFE ARE CAMERA W H O R E S , love the attention.Why on earth would a person need to wear a 150,000 dollar outfit, and god knows how expensive her bling is to some of the poorest areas of our country, to scare people into voting for them.
You GOPers call the Democratic ideal SOCIALISM, Well look at where the GOP has taken us over the last 12 years, straight into the gutter. Our GOVERNMENT has to take over our banking and finance system (just like Russia of old) because our Wealth minority drove it to this.
The Majority of Americans will work for Menial wages, live in barely standard homes,and will most likely be on PUBLIC(spelled GOVERNMENT) assistance for large portions of their lives.
So, since the GOP has been steering the USA down this road, WHO DO YOU WANT TO CALL A "SOCIALIST " PARTY?????
You better look in the mirror before you start pointing fingers, and every time you point one finger at someone else, theres 3 pointing back at you!!!!!

Posted by: mullett | October 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN CANNOT LEAD, HE CANNOT BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT A MAN DOES IN HIS OFFICE, NOT WHAT HE DOES AT HOME OR AWAY FROM HIS JOB. CLINTON WAS A GOOD PRESIDENT JUST COULDN`T KEEP HIS PANTS ZIPPED. BUSH CAN KEEP HIS PANTS ZIPPED AND THE COUNTRY HAS GONE DOWN THE TUBES.. WHICH WAS BETTER??WHAT ONE WOULD YOU VOTE FOR TODAY? IT MAYBE SIMPLISTIC BUT A MAN WHO CAN THINK CLEARLY CAN PLAN AHEAD AND CAN BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER AND GET THINGS DONE MAKES MORE SENSE THAN ONE WHO CANNOT TELL HIS COUNTRYMEN FROM FELLOW PRISIONERS.

Posted by: CAROL1747 | October 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Here is the website showing the picture of 8 years old Obama with Ayers's group 30+ years ago: http://voteMcain.com

Posted by: truth | October 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

How could anyone vote for Obama? Community Organizer? WTF! Illinois Senate, "Present", what a freaking cop out, piss poor way to represent. Congress, spent more time runnng for President then working. What does he have? A great speach? Worthelss then 1 of John MaCains medals. Proven SOCIALIST. Thinks it's "fair" to take away from those that have. That's not what taxation is about.
Says healthcare is a "RIGHT", read the CONSTITUTION you MORON. Vote for Obama proves Democrates don't have half a brain.
His wife, for the first time in her life "proud" of America, put her on the next boat out of here. Obama's going to lower taxes for 95% of Americans? Only 60% of Americans PAY ANY TAXES. NO good at math either. JTLavery@aol.com

Posted by: John Lavery | October 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

These conservative nut-jobs need to get a life. America is too smart to fall for this bigoted campaign of name calling and smears. McCain is finished and a new era has begun for American. Healthcare, business regulations, tax breaks for the poor and sensible foreign policy is the future. You losers are obsolete. Get over it.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

It's quite funny when an issue points out inconsistencies on Obama. You, conservatives will praise the reporter. Hypocrites!!! Stick to the issues, if you can. We know McCain/Palin can't.

Posted by: Keith T | October 10, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is really starting to show himself as the scumbag he would have probably punched a year ago.

Don't be foolish people; the evidence shows McCain is lying. His words and body-language are disgustingly a farce. If you can't see that, you need to really start thinking instead of just hating.

Posted by: rr | October 10, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

talk about you being right all the time and honest and respectful you all are and turn around and call all rep iniquity. i have morals and spiritual values. who are you to say i don't have either. makes you sound like you hate anyone who is not in your corner.. That is what is wrong with people today don't agree slap them down.. good grief go to church.maybe you have lost your way. i don't like either man running but i will not put my friends down because they do.God help us all this is going to be a mess no mater who win's. Obama thinks he some God and Mccain thinks he a cowboy. We should have put in a pig farmer in office at lest he is knee high in this stuff everyday and knows whats it all about.

Posted by: sue | October 10, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Later on in that exact same debate he mentioned serving on a board with Ayers. He said that Bill Clinton pardoned two members of the Weather Underground, which is a more significant act than him serving on a board with someone.

Posted by: Summers | October 10, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Laura:

I am "listening" and responding single-handed to the Obama claims. Which other thread are you reading?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

SO WHATS THE POINT??? what does this have to do with anything??

Posted by: FF | October 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, Obama brings much of this upon himself. He refuses to truthfully answer simple questions about this relationship. This refusal tends to give credence to the many rumors out there.

When did he first meet Ayres?

Was it at Columbia University or not?

Why not provide names of roommates, friends, etc. during college to ease concerns?

What was the true nature of his relationship with Ayres?

Was Ayres Obama’s ghostwriter?

Posted by: Starbucks1000 | October 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

So are we to understand that if elected, Obama will bomb American cities?

McCain's innuendo is sublimated racism.

Posted by: Incredulous | October 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD's "photograph" of Ayers is a photochop paste-up. The flag isn't crumpled by his feet, the head and body do not match, the lighting is coming from multipla angles and the background appears to be an artistic rendering of a narrow, dark alleyway... with no bystanders. Looks like it's been photocopied more times than his bathroom copy of "The Turner Diaries". More GOP fan-fic. Cripes. The Iranians do a better job of faking photographs. At least we know JakeD's not Iranian, or at least not smart enough to be Iranian.

Posted by: LiberalFromDenver | October 10, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

As a concerned citizen and long-time Republican, I am deeply worried about the prospect of an Obama presidency. Do we really want to see a bunch of gay Muslim communists running around Washington, imposing Sharia Law while simultaneously sodomizing heterosexual married couples, destroying the free enterprise system, aborting fetuses, and hatching sinister plots to blow up parking meters? I think not!

Posted by: Craig | October 10, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

In response to Republicans go away remark...no. I'm ashamed of this GOP as much as the next person. Gore should have been President, Bush stole the election, he put us through 4 years of pure hell, and not we are given a candidate that will most likely send us all to hell and not remember doing it along with a beauty queen that failed out of college a few time. There are still a few of us that haven't fallen off our rocker yet.

We have just as much right to debate on an issue in an OPEN forum as anyone else. I don't like my party, I'm not too fond of either party double talking and changing their minds, I don't like sly liars that think everyone is too much of a sheep to actually see whats going on, and I don't like news clips from interviews or statements mentioning the NWO or CFR or hearing live on the news from the horses mouth that our congressmen and elected officials were threatened with martial law if they did not vote for the bail out bill. I don't like my vote being played with either by crooked polls or "equipment failures". These to me are important...not where they say they stand but where they have stood on issues. Like I said earlier, If I was Dem I would vote McKinney, If I was Rep, then Baldwin or Barr.

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." ~John Quincy Adams

Posted by: Jennifer | October 10, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey, JakeD ("D" for "dummkopf). I recommend you start packing your bags because Obama WILL be the next president!!!

Posted by: Go-Go-Go-Obama | October 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

He VOTED against giving troops money and resources to fight a war, even when his VP says it's dangerous for the men and women... he voted against it any way. Of course, he never went to war. Let's say it was YOUR children at war... even when adviced against it... he chose political moves risking them men and women's lives. THAT is sad.

His list of lack of support of this country is the longest I've ever seen and yet you think it's okay. Unbelievable.

And you say, well, b/c he knows that others will vote for it anyway, so he'll know that the money will still go over there. So then, is it safe for me to say that he was playing politics w/our men and women? Of course. Despicable human... and you say that he's noble. Okay... whatever.

Posted by: Aurora | October 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Really, some of your left wing liberal readers are worse than you, but come on, "small scale bombings" like those are OK--
"charges were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct" really---that's how you are spinning that---Ayres admits guilt---and has laughed about being "guilty and sin and free as a bird--American Justice"

This is the new journalism? I'm a journalism major from the 70's --that's not what they taught me in school.

Posted by: Jerry | October 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama served on non-profit boards with Bill Ayres and lots of rich Republicans. Ayres is only a topic because McCain is losing his grip on the campaign and is desperate to change topics. More people are concerned about McCain's judgement in surrounding himself with uninformed and stupid people, starting with Sarah Palin. We have had a good old boy in the White House who has been terribly manipulated by scared but ruthless advisors. Never again!

Posted by: tom i | October 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that McCain/Palin have their own terrorists to pal around with: (1)G. Gordan Liddy who said when you're shooting at government agents make sure you aim for the head because they'll be wearing bullet proof vests and (2)Former republican presidential hopeful Pat Robertson who has advocated detonating a nuclear weapon in Washington DC.

Posted by: JEP | October 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's an idea: STOP posting. START thinking.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the right winger nutjobs are at it again. The raw hatred and vitriol just doesn't cease to amaze me. Look at this example from Richard R:

"For the past 2 days I've been running text analysis of "Dreams From my Father" and "Fugitive Days." They were absolutely written by the same person, either by an unknown ghostwriter or by Ayers himself."

Richard R, you're either a complete wacko or you need a life!!

I hope to God that Obama wins. If nothing else, just to spite you right wing morons who can't seem to accept the fact that America is in fact multi-racial, and that the presidency is not the birth right of self-righteous Republican hypocrites like McLame and his bimbo!

Posted by: Dara | October 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Incredulous:

There's less than 2% chance that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a secret Muslim agent (unless you listen to Stephen Colbert ; )

LiberalFromDenver:

It's not "my" photograph. Just Google "ayers stomping flag" if you don't believe me.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama is just another politician that will do or say whatever it takes to fulfill his political ambitions. Barack is calculated and methodical about hiding his true convictions and intentions, and uses deception to get elected.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember Barack Hussein Obama’s intimate 20 year relationship with the Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright, who blessed Barack and Michelle marriage and baptized both their daughters. AND, to remember the hideous videos of Jeremiah Wright’s congregation which included the Obamas, damning America with bombastic joy, after the Muslim’s criminal attack on America on 9/11.

The time is now!
For Americans to remember how Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright used his tax-exempt church to exercise a radical political agenda, and how he refers to Israel, as well as America, as a "racist" State. Barack's religious leader, Jeremiah Wright believes that the true 'Chosen People' are the blacks; and that black values are superior to middle-class American values.
 Indeed Barack's Priest of Hate, Jeremiah Wright is a black supremacist.

The time is now!
To remind Americans that Barack Hussein Obama wants to be president to implement Jeremiah Wright’s dream of a black supremacist society in America.

The time is now!
For Americans of all political parties to come together to preserve the future of the country we love and have always been proud of, by voting for a True American Patriot and War Hero who risked his life for our country:
John McCain for President of the United States of America.

Country First!
Americans for John McCain/Sarah Palin

Posted by: Manolete | October 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Sign this petition if you think McCain should stop talking about Obama and William Ayers...and start talking about the economy instead:

http://www.McCainPetition.com

Gregg

Posted by: Gregg | October 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

LiberalFromDenver,

JakeD is not an Iranian. He's German. His real last name is "Dummkopf." Look up the meaning of his last name.

Posted by: Go-Go-Go-Obama | October 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Great Web Site | October 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about nothing, this Ayers Obama connection.

The real villan in this Vietnam War debacle was our protracted presence in Vietnam and how the leadership of our country betrayed our trust.

I'll never forget coming home on a long weekend from military school, seeing the armored military trucks blocking the exit to Kent Ohio, after the May 4th shootings which killed four Kent State students. I resigned from the Academy the following week -- it was senseless violence and I abhor it.

All this talk reminds me of how little progress we have actually made as a species. Republicans seem to enjoy war a lot more than Democrats, or at least the blustering that causes one to come to loggerheads with a supposed enemy, thus leading to wars because the moronic leaders can't seem to get along.

Who really suffers in such wars? The poor and middle class -- the people who actually do the fighting, who die in them, along with many, many innocents.

Obama has a message of hope. He's shown himself to be both brilliant and reasoned. His message is coherent and without malice. He is a breath of fresh air. And who is William Ayers? Well, he appears to be a brilliant Professor of Education. We should probably listen to him, we might be able to learn a little something which is why he was nominated to sit on the Chicago Educatoin board.

"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier ... It's ridiculous," Republican Rep. Diana Nelson said. "There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."

This whole topic is just so much drivel, designed to deflect our attention away from the real issues facing our nation.

McCain-Palin -- stooping to new lows to redefine the boundaries for being nasty in a Presidential Campaign. Going down in a blaze of glory while the Obama-Biden ticket goes on to win a landslide of AT LEAST 341-197. Won't even be close.

Of course, if you're a military guy, then your business is war, and business is good. You're probably not going to vote for someone who actually has a prayer of advancing peace because you like war -- the blood and guts, the innocents dieing -- collateral damage, as they say.

It's a rather sad testimony to mankind that we're wasting time talking about Ayers while our economy drops into the deep abyss. Let's stop the drama and just vote Obama-Biden. We need some intelligence in the White House.

Posted by: Andrew L | October 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Dear Moron,

First, I give you props for admitting that you are indeed a Moron. I'm sure Obama would have tried to pass it off.

I say again, I don't blame Obama for down-playing his non-relationship with Ayers. Any and every politician would do the same. Take McCain and Keating for example, how about McCain and Rick Davis who helped set up the encounter between McCain and Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska (Russian Mob King), or McCain and Kemper Marley (Arizona Mobster), the list goes on. I would like to hear how McCain describes his "Relationship" with these individuals.

Posted by: R Neil | October 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Go-Go-Go-Obama:

I'm not going anywhere, and no he is not.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Shamefully, the media has given Obama a free pass. Obama’s associations with shady characters, ex-terrorists, and extreme socialists has been downplayed or totally ignored by the media.

During the primaries you [the media] decided that Obama was going to be the next president. What makes this travesty more outrageous is that television and radio networks using the public’s airways operate under licenses owned by us the citizens.

Who gave you the right to so flagrantly try to influence the outcome of a presidential election?

It is critical that Obama’s background be scrutinized as has been that of all other candidates. To you network executives I say, look closely at all the Wall Street executives; you might be held accountable next.

Posted by: Santiago Flores | October 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Which of these men is the domestic terrorist:

1. Man who, through fraud, stole $300M from mostly elderly depositors in his bank and who was sentenced to 12 years in Federal Prison. This man's bank collapsed as a result of this fraud, and the Feds had to spend $3 billion bailing it out.

2. Man who set off four small bombs to protest the Vietnam war, bombs that resulted in property damages but in NO injuries or loss of life. This man was not charged with any federal crime, let alone sentenced.

The first man is, of course, Charles Keating. McCain was close friends with him at the very time Keating committed his crimes, taking vacations on Keating's private jet to the Bahamas. McCain took $150,000 from Keating in campaign contributions; Keating wanted McCain to help him get Federal investigators off his back.

The second man is Bill Ayers. When he committed these acts, Barack Obama was eight. When Barack Obama met him 30 years later, it was on an education reform board, with other Republicans and Democrats, for a charity funded by one of Ronald Reagan's biggest donors and closest friends (Walter Annenberg).

Sorry, but McCain has far more to answer for in his recent relationship with the financial terrorist Charles Keating, who did far more damage to America and Americans than Bill Ayers, and who did that damage at the very time he was a close friend and crony of John McCain.

Yep, the facts suck.

Posted by: mhallville | October 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

JOhn McCain took Caribbean trips with, accepted campaign $ from, and ran interference for a major financial criminal (Keating), but you morons spend thousands of inches of ink "covering" the predictably politic response by a presidential candidate to rumors about his "connection" with an old Weatherman 30 years his senior whom he knows from paths crossed in the deeply suspicious radical realm of Chicago school politics (where no one else except the occasional JOhn Birch-brain Trib columnist seems to give a sh#t about Ayers old-timey radical activities).

Go WaPost. Philip Graham must be spinning in his grave.

Posted by: schule | October 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

It is a very sad day when our elections are completely dictated by the news media.
Any politician from Chicago should automatically be restricted from running for a national office. As we all know how corrupt the political machine operates in
Chicago.

Posted by: Mike Hanks | October 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

We have become what the media and the education system wanted us to become. Don't blame me when Obama is elected, and it turns out he actually does have muslim ties, and helped to smuggle nukes into the US.

Smear McCain all you want. He at least put his life on the line for his country. Maybe the war wasn't a popular one, but he was at least willing to DIE for you.

What has Obama done? Went to law school? Is that what you want? Another lawyer leading you? That makes sense. Let's make life even harder by making more difficult laws to abide by.

Call me crazy. I'm fine with that. And I'm fine if the US decides to elect him. I want the US to have the choice. I just think it's sad that the media and the education system have the influence on people's political views that they do. It's okay though, you'll learn from your mistakes. The easy way, or the hard way. I'm sure my choices will lead to a different path than yours. Especially considering that I know how to survive without the government's help.

Posted by: Michael Ryerse | October 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

You missed the boat, this should have had four Pinocchio's! The accusation is a flat out lie and shows the desperation the McCain/Palin ticket has reached!

McCain has no Honor! You want the truth about McCain? Take a look at his records when it comes to veterans! He is a liar and an idiot; the lie: is he cares about those that served there country; the idiot: he choose Sarah Palin as his VP.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-humes30-2008may30,0,4850795.story

MORE THAN A FEW people have been puzzled by Sen. John McCain's dogged opposition to the updated GI Bill of Rights now before Congress. The dissonance between McCain's military-man image and his actions on this issue have introduced a jarring note to his presidential aspirations -- and have highlighted the shoddy treatment many Iraq war veterans have received.
FOR THE RECORD: GI Bill: A May 30 Op-Ed article about the GI Bill said the 1944 bill offered full benefits to any veteran who served 90 days. The bill paid for 12 months of college or vocational school if a veteran served 90 days, with additional benefits, up to 48 months of school, for each month of military service. —
Why would a Vietnam War veteran and former prisoner of war, a man who is personally acquainted with the difficulties vets can face in returning to civilian life, join President Bush in opposing a popular bipartisan bill to support the troops? Isn't fixing the education benefit in the bill -- one that has shortchanged far too many veterans for years -- a political no-brainer in an election year? The 75 senators who recently voted for it certainly thought so. Over the Memorial Day weekend, Sen. Barack Obama expressed some well-timed astonishment at McCain’s opposition, and the two have been feuding about it ever since. The media and pundits seem perplexed, collectively suggesting: That's not the John McCain we know.

Which is true: It is the John McCain they don't know. If the media weren't so mesmerized by the McCain image they have long promoted and instead got to know the McCain record, they would realize that there is nothing surprising or inconsistent about his position on the GI Bill. For years he has opposed legislation that veterans and their advocates deem vital.

When Obama (who has averaged an 86% rating from the Disabled Veterans of America) criticized McCain on the GI Bill, the Arizona senator angrily suggested that Obama's status as a non-veteran rendered his opinions on military matters worthless (an odd stance, as this standard would also discount the opinions of 85% of American men, 98.8% of American women and two-thirds of Congress). Then he invited a look at his own record by asserting, "I take a back seat to no one in my affection, respect and devotion to veterans."

So let's take McCain up on his invitation. Here is how he has stood on recent legislation supported by major veterans organizations:

* On Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.

* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.

* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.

* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.

* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.

* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.

So here is where the McCain image and reality part company. It is certainly true that his affectionate and respectful rhetoric for America's servicemen and women takes a back seat to no one. But when it comes to improving the health and education of our veterans, McCain's record leaves them stranded by the side of the road.

If you are a veteran who has served this country, John McCain will leave you like he left his disabled wife. He only cares for himself.

John McCain and Palin are liars and rats on a sinking ship, they will stoop to the lowest levels. What they sow, they will reap!

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

You mean to say, that if I serve on a charity board with someone who did a despicable act when I was 8 years old . . . and then if I'm running for office and I allow that person to host a meet and greet in their home . . . and if I accept a $200 campaign contribution (which we must admit is peanuts in the grand scheme of things), that means (guilt by association) that I'm "palling" around with that person and supporting terrorism? Get real! By that standard, anyone who serves on any board anywhere would be convicted in the court of Lynching and Lies Justice. Unless perhaps they did a background check on every person in the room before agreeing to do the service. Do you know the distant criminal history of all of YOUR neighbors, Stone Thrower?

Oh, I see, you don't serve on any community boards? Oh, you don't do any volunteer work? Oh, and you don't believe in paying taxes, either? Oh, I see, you think that's not patriotic? Oh, I see, you don't want to mix with the "riff raff" in society, you'd rather live in your burb and not get your hands dirty, just put all them trashy people in a slum somewhere? Gee, I guess we just don't see eye to eye on this one. Vive le difference!

Posted by: Alex | October 10, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

How do you expect his crash record to be available, a guy whose dad was an Navy admiral? The Navy looks after its own!

Posted by: Joepublic | October 10, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

You missed the boat, this should have had four Pinocchio's! The accusation is a flat out lie and shows the desperation the McCain/Palin ticket has reached!

McCain has no Honor! You want the truth about McCain? Take a look at his records when it comes to veterans! He is a liar and an idiot; the lie: is he cares about those that served there country; the idiot: he choose Sarah Palin as his VP.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-humes30-2008may30,0,4850795.story

MORE THAN A FEW people have been puzzled by Sen. John McCain's dogged opposition to the updated GI Bill of Rights now before Congress. The dissonance between McCain's military-man image and his actions on this issue have introduced a jarring note to his presidential aspirations -- and have highlighted the shoddy treatment many Iraq war veterans have received.
FOR THE RECORD: GI Bill: A May 30 Op-Ed article about the GI Bill said the 1944 bill offered full benefits to any veteran who served 90 days. The bill paid for 12 months of college or vocational school if a veteran served 90 days, with additional benefits, up to 48 months of school, for each month of military service. —
Why would a Vietnam War veteran and former prisoner of war, a man who is personally acquainted with the difficulties vets can face in returning to civilian life, join President Bush in opposing a popular bipartisan bill to support the troops? Isn't fixing the education benefit in the bill -- one that has shortchanged far too many veterans for years -- a political no-brainer in an election year? The 75 senators who recently voted for it certainly thought so. Over the Memorial Day weekend, Sen. Barack Obama expressed some well-timed astonishment at McCain’s opposition, and the two have been feuding about it ever since. The media and pundits seem perplexed, collectively suggesting: That's not the John McCain we know.

Which is true: It is the John McCain they don't know. If the media weren't so mesmerized by the McCain image they have long promoted and instead got to know the McCain record, they would realize that there is nothing surprising or inconsistent about his position on the GI Bill. For years he has opposed legislation that veterans and their advocates deem vital.

When Obama (who has averaged an 86% rating from the Disabled Veterans of America) criticized McCain on the GI Bill, the Arizona senator angrily suggested that Obama's status as a non-veteran rendered his opinions on military matters worthless (an odd stance, as this standard would also discount the opinions of 85% of American men, 98.8% of American women and two-thirds of Congress). Then he invited a look at his own record by asserting, "I take a back seat to no one in my affection, respect and devotion to veterans."

So let's take McCain up on his invitation. Here is how he has stood on recent legislation supported by major veterans organizations:

* On Webb's GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.

* Last September, he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.

* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 -- to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes -- he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.

* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.

* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.

* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.

So here is where the McCain image and reality part company. It is certainly true that his affectionate and respectful rhetoric for America's servicemen and women takes a back seat to no one. But when it comes to improving the health and education of our veterans, McCain's record leaves them stranded by the side of the road.

If you are a veteran who has served this country, John McCain will leave you like he left his disabled wife. He only cares for himself.

John McCain and Palin are liars and rats on a sinking ship, they will stoop to the lowest levels. What they sow, they will reap!

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: seakayaker | October 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: There's all kinds of folks Senator McCain doesn't want to talk about too and folks he has lied about "not knowing" (John Singlaub) or apologized for "knowing" (Charlie Keating)or doesn't know how to extricate himself because his VP "knows him" (Todd Palin)who was registered as a member of AIP through 2002 and an Independent through 8/2008 (can't get more unpatriotic than wanting to leave the Union) -- is it really good for the Country to get into a tit for tat about this,,,,crap -- when we are in a serious financial crisis? McCain doesn't even want, won't or can't talk about the economy-- it's a pity that a once-honorable man will forever have his legacy altered by running a dishonorable campaign

Posted by: Hockey Dad | October 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The other day McCain threw a crap shoot and said a loud HAIL MARY. Then came a great revelation: Ayers is the key!

Hail Mary, hail Mary.

Looking across the crowd at their latest rally, McCain and Palin were taken aback and then thrilled when their audience started screaming, "Kill him, kill him."

They seized on this moment. Hope seemed within grasp. They saw that they actually had people here who believed that Obama was Osama, and that Hussein meant that he was a terrorist. A black terrorist. A thrill shot through them. Any whisper from their consciences were drowned out by the mad cries from the audience.

I am serious, if anyone dies, McCain and Palin should be held criminally responsible. Inciting crowds to perform murder is a crime.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it a few weeks ago that McCain made the executive decision to suspend his campaign and head back to Washington because the bailout was more important than having a debate with his political opponent?

Wasn't it the same McCain who then flip-flopped and decided to participate in the debate without reaching an agreement on the bailout proposal?

Wasn't it the same McCain who then voted for the bailout?

Now he is proposing socialized housing and taxing my health benefits.

Unless you are living under a rock or filthy rich there is no choice in this election. Obama in 2008 and evaluate his performance in 2012.

Posted by: Pete | October 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I am weary of hearing that Obama was "only
8 years old" when Ayers helped found the
Weather Underground. He was an ADULT when
he launched his political career from William Ayers living room.

Posted by: A Knitter | October 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

When is the MSM going to ask McCain why he buried and destroyed evidence of live POWs in the 1990s?

Sydney Schanberg has provided excellent documentation of how McCain, at a minimum, worked hard to deny any live POWs existed - and probably knew they did.

Posted by: SpecOps who was there | October 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain used to be somebody that I always thought that I would vote for no matter who ran against him. It is, however, too late for that.

Given what is going on with our country and the economy many of us have realized we need to be critical and examine these candidates.

That analysis brings to light that the the "Maverick" has taken on Bush cronies to run his campaign and in losing on issues is trying to smear and create fear instead of lead. We are awake enough to see that something has gone wrong with the venerable straight talk express.

McCain's decline is also due to a divide in the electorate that many don't recognize. It is the anti-intellectual versus intellectual divide. Many posting here are anti-intellectuals. Believers and not thinkers. I would not call you idiots as you aren't dumb, but do chose not to use your brain.

McCain could have appealed to all people, but chose early on to go with the anti-intellectuals. He chose to run a Rovian campaign focusing his messages towards those who believe and not think. The Bush voters. Thus, we get smears and fear.

Many recognize that America is a slumbering State with people who, most often, don't critically examine issues. They will vote based on belief and emotion. Fear is a powerful motivator.

McCain chose his base of supporters from a narrow spectrum, but the economic crisis and fiscal pain has awakened many to cold hard realities. We are losing life savings and watching what could be the next Great Depression begin.

Given this, there just aren't as many people left who will suspend rational thought as there has been in the last elections.

Thus, McCain and the shrinking group of anti-intellectuals who support him are going to lose.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | October 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results. Senator Clinton tried to throw in her kitchen sink too when she tanked in the primary. Now these yellow bellied cowards McCain and Palin are trying the same lame game.

Posted by: Andrea | October 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

If one liberal on this site can honestly tell me how an average student HS student with parents/grandparents on food stamps can afford go to Occidental (dope head years), than a trip to all the terrorist hot spots (Indonesia, Pakistan, & India), then Columbia University (graduated without honors), and finally Harvard Law School, I will vote for him.

Posted by: Who paid for his college? | October 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Jake D, brush up on some information. As someone here so beautifully put it, "stop drinking the GOP kool-aid" and inform yourself:

"But in a New York Times article on the book, Ayers is quoted as saying, "I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Coincidently, that article was published on Sept. 11, 2001. Days later, Ayers complained on his Web site that the quote was taken out of context, saying, "My memoir is from start to finish a condemnation of terrorism, of the indiscriminate murder of human beings, whether driven by fanaticism or official policy." "

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95442902

I have one simple question, Jake. Have you read his memoir? I also have to say: I love it when Rep's admonish the NYT, WP, etc. until there's an article that suits them.

Posted by: Katie | October 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

“Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.” Bertrand Russell

I think that people are embracing something unproven out of fear. Fear of a black president. Fear of a democratic congress and legislature. Fear of something that is different. They're using the fear of terrorism to feed your other fears. He's not a terrorist, so what are you really afraid of?

Posted by: conanb | October 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama isn't as close to Ayers as McCain was to Keating. Why doesn't the press talk about the Keating 5? It seems soooooo relevant right now with our banking crisis.

Posted by: JR | October 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Starbucks1000 said:

Honestly, Obama brings much of this upon himself. He refuses to truthfully answer simple questions about this relationship. This refusal tends to give credence to the many rumors out there.

When did he first meet Ayres?

Was it at Columbia University or not?

Why not provide names of roommates, friends, etc. during college to ease concerns?

What was the true nature of his relationship with Ayres?

Was Ayres Obama’s ghostwriter?

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These have ALL been answered. Listen instead of embracing ignorance.

These questions are asked in a way where if you don't like the answer, then they don't count as answers. Damn fascists.

Like: Obama explains the extent of the relationship and you keep saying, 'okay, what's the REAL extent of the relationship.'

The media, witnesses, investigators, anyone with a brain tells you the EXACT extent of his relationship with Ayers and you still respond with, 'okay, what's the REAL extent of the relationship.'

Does this not sound idiotic to you? Like interrogation under torture, unreasonable and ruthless, McCains campaign is really turning ugly and taking people with it. His campaign is really starting to make people look horrible, like the crowds that are filled with unstable ignorant people you hear all the time.

It's disgusting.

Posted by: RR | October 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Joepublic:

The Navy report on McCain's training crash is available -- you should really try a different canard -- the "Fact" Checker held McCain to a very different standard about that incident than he does Obama:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/mccain_fudges_his_navy_record.html

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

A message to McCain:

Dear John,

The Vietnam War doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that the USA lost and it wouldn't have mattered if the USA won.

It doesn't matter that some people were in favor and it doesn't matter that some people were opposed. Violence was used by people on both sides of that debate and that doesn't matter either.

Lots of people got hurt individually by the Vietnam War but it didn't change the course of history one way or the other.

If you want to be relevant you're going to have to get out of your rocking chair and quit mumbling endlessly about things that happened a long time ago that just don't matter any more.

Sincerely,
The younger generation

Posted by: Smith | October 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

>It's amazing, Barack Hussein Osama can go to churches with Reverend Wright and befriend terrorists and people still love him.

It's amazing, John "War-Monger" McCain can vote with 90% and pick an unqualified running mate and people still love him.

Plain/McCain 08 = Igloo trash and erratic old Irish hot-head

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

This tactic of McCain's is not going to work with anyone but his own base, who are riled up and demanding he "take it to Obama". The few undecideds -- who MIGHT get swayed by the McCain lies and rhetoric -- aren't being given any reason to switch their vote to McCain. He's just riling up hatred and fear, not instilling a sense of relief that a leader is in their midst. And a nonvoter in essence harms McCain.

Posted by: SLB | October 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama is, at best, guilty of a "lack of candor." He first claimed that Ayers was someone who lived on the same block. Now he claims he "assumes" that Ayers had been "rehabilitated." Rehabilitated from what? And when did he learn about Ayers' background.

Consider that Obama has no one coming forward to "vouch" for him, either from his days at Harvard or his time in Chicago. Where is his body of work from Harvard? What, exactly has he written? Where is his thesis? His paper trail is scant. But here is a poem written by Obama and published in Occidental College's literary magazine in 1981 (they published two of Obama's poems, entitled "Pop" and "Underground"). Obama calls it some "very bad poetry," and he does not disappoint us. From "Underground":

"Under water grottos, caverns

Filled with apes

That eat figs.

Stepping on the figs

That the apes

Eat, they crunch.

The apes howl, bare

Their fangs, dance . . ."


Are you all inspired?

Posted by: Jeanne T. | October 10, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

"SO WHATS THE POINT??? what does this have to do with anything?? Posted by: FF | October 10, 2008 6:18 PM " --- what is character is and what his true views for this country are.

One association after another, I've lost count, and he denies it until pressed. and even then, he doesn't say anything about it... what have we the people been wanting? At least an honest man right? I suppose you can say honest and politicians don't go together. Okay, I would agree with a lot of that... I would also add that Chicago politicians and honestly ABSOLUTELY don't go together. Hopefully, we'll be luck some day to get one.

I my opinion, I find McCain more trustworthy and more willing to work w/both parties (apparent by his record). Ever been muffled w/your views? Try living in Chicago as a republican around their politicians.

Checks and Balance for this country please: Reid, Pelosi, Obama... goodness, this country is in for some ride. Be prepared for a dependent nation... and only our Democratic party will be our savior... yeah right.

Posted by: Drake | October 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Umm... you forgot the part where they served together for 7 years. 7 years. As Biden would say, did I make it clear? 7 years.

But it doesn't matter to you, so I am wasting my time. Just vote for Obama and get it over with.

I'll be laughing when you regret it.

Posted by: Michael Ryerse | October 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that everyone repeats what McCain says without checking the facts? Check history and see the whole story. The sixties were a wild time. Ayers hung around with some interesting people. Check it out, republicans won't like it or won't believe. It's great reading!

Posted by: JoeM | October 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I surprised we aren't hearing more about some of McCain's friends. How about G. Gordon Liddy?

Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns -- including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0504chapmanmay04,0,6061828.column

Posted by: Jim | October 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

What has Obama done? Went to law school? Is that what you want? Another lawyer leading you? That makes sense. Let's make life even harder by making more difficult laws to abide by.
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Yes! We want someone who was top of his class a Harvard for a change! A leader with brains for a change after 8 years of a dimwit! Certainly not a traitorous POW!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The issue is not so much that Obama does have a connection to Ayers, Obama's problem is:
Ayers: "a guy in the neighborhood" - but Obama sat on the board of Annenberg foundation with him.
NAFTA: Obama stated during the primaries that he would re-negotiate NAFTA - but he sent his flunkie to reassure the Canadians that he had no such plans.
Rezko: "a guy in the neighborhood" - with whose help he bought his primary residence - with unusually favorable terms.
Wright: "I never heard those things" - but he sat there for 20 years - how could he not?
Farrakhan: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/14/AR2008011402083.html
... I can but repeat: "We know little about him".
There's Barack's book and Michelle's thesis - both not so confidence instilling....

Look, we're not hiring this guy for a dot-com (he probably wouldn't pass) - he wants to be president. He fails my background check.


Btw - someone mentioned Daley - yeah, the bastard who bulldozed Meigs Field under cover of night - he successfully got sued by the FAA for that stint. Chicago style - nice!

Posted by: notgoodenough | October 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious as to how many people responding to this article remember what was actually going on in the late 60s. Alot of people agreed with Ayers.

Posted by: Selective Service Surviver | October 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

You McCain supporters who believe that Obama lacks "good judgement" by associating himself with someone like Bill Ayers only turn on the TV during election years. Wake up America! Who is the real McCain?? I want to draw your attention to a blogger's post from above, which encourages people to Google the following phrases:

McCain Kosovo KLA Islamic Muslim Terrorists with Al Qaeda connections
McCain 5 Lobbyists made millions from Iran business

McCain Wife of Pow duncan hunter Ethics Complaint
McCain Deal HudsonMcCain Rick Renzi
McCain Songbird
McCain Adultery
McCain Lobbyists
McCain Spanish Psychiatrist
McCain Big Oil Lobbyists
McCain Charlie Black
McCain USS Forrestal
McCain Rick Davis
McCain Temper
McCain Deal Hudson
McCain The 4th Reich
McCain Infidelity
McCain Phil Gramm Enron Loophole
McCain Enron Loophole
McCain Arizona Mob
McCain Kosovo KLA Muslim Terrorists
McCain Fortune
McCain Traitor
McCain Flip Flops
McCain Torturers' Lobby
McCain Manchurian Candidate

In McCain's political career, he has made more "shady" policy decisions and built more "shady" relationships than most of you seasonal politics gurus could imagine.

And if that doesn't deter you, then the racism and hatred that McCain's campaign is trying to stir up by linking "Barack Hussein Obama" with "terrorism" should! Republican strategists will say "well, we don't condone this behavior" but that kind of remark is just an insult to our intelligence... And if you don't take it from me, take it from the various conservative Republican politicians who have actually REVOKED their endorsement of McCain because of his recent activity!!

Posted by: Colleen | October 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

He keeps changing his answers as people dig up more stuff proving prior answers incorrect.

So, exactly when did he meet Ayres??

Posted by: Starbucks1000 | October 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his followers are admittedly outraged because rational American people want to hear plans to get our economy back on track. Unfortunately, there are people who would vote against their own best interest because they share McCain's "values." McCain voted to make sure banks could charge us huge interest rates. You might get a loan but a 15+% interest rate ensures you stay a slave to big business. Do you have a beer after a long day at work? Cindy thanks you for her next $1000+ frock, 8th vacation house, 2nd airplane, 13th car, etc. It sends chills up my spine.

Posted by: Gimme a break | October 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

What has Obama done? Went to law school? Is that what you want? Another lawyer leading you? That makes sense. Let's make life even harder by making more difficult laws to abide by.
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Yes! We want someone who was top of his class at Harvard for a change! A leader with brains for a change after 8 years of a dimwit! Certainly not a traitorous POW!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Nice spin by the author. Did Obama pay for this artticle with some of those illegal contributions from people who don't exist?

Obama isn't some acquaintance of Ayers, he is a participant in Ayers ongoing "revolution". That is why Obama and Ayers\Doern keep showing up in the same neighborhoods, associations , meetings and groups. Obama and Michelle both worked in their 20's with Doern's law firm. They were in the same neighborhood at Columbia then amazingly just happen to show up together in Chicago together working on the same foundation spreading Ayers radical education into Chicago schools. Ayers isn't interested in math and science in schools, he wants them to teach the evils of capitalism and the glories of commmunism.

You, leftist and MSM can downplay it all you want, but you know deep down, that if McCain had began his career with someone who bombed an abortion clinic and proclaimed as recently as 2001 that he hadn't bombed enough, you would be raising holy h*ll and 60 minutes would be doing hourly updates.

When applying for any job, applicants are required to provide a listing of references to vouch for their knowledge and relevant experience. The question which America needs the answer to is:

Does Obama have any references who can vouch for his resume who aren't indicted criminals(Rezko), racists (Rev Wright) or American-hating nuts(Ayers\Doern)?

Posted by: LogicalUS | October 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

People will vote for Obama for the same reason he inspires such devotion. He is a very good con man. I’ve known people like him before. He could sell anyone anything. It’s a well honed skill that he even brags about in his book, or at least alludes to. He changes his story an allegiances to fit the situation. Ayers, the good reverend, his own grandmother, and many others were of use to him and when they were no longer of use to him or became a liability he discarded them as any good con man would. He displays all the traits of a con man. He moves from one con or in this case political office to another before the seat even gets warm to avoid suspicion and the move is always up.

Now every con man runs a con for a reason. Sometimes it’s to get money, or power, or to push an ideological view, and other times it’s just for kicks. You have to ask yourself what is Obama’s motives? Where will he go once he’s accomplished the ultimate con and gets elected as POTUS?

Posted by: Batgeek | October 10, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Katie:

I have not read it -- nor would I pay any amount of money to do so -- I don't have to snort cocaine (unlike Obama) to know it's bad for me either. Are you going to claim that Ayers stomping on an American flag was "taken out of context" as well?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Who paid for his college?

ahahahah lame

Posted by: Andrea | October 10, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"If you want to be relevant you're going to have to get out of your rocking chair and quit mumbling endlessly about things that happened a long time ago that just don't matter any more.

Sincerely,
The younger generation" ************** Please tell me the younger generation actually have respect for their elders. Please tell me I have not lost hope that the younger generation is still appreciative of the people who fight for the country they live in. I refuse to believe our country is raising a bunch of rude selfish brats.

Posted by: Kim | October 10, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

VP Dick Cheney has been shopping for a new home outside the jurisdiction of US law. Cheney expects to be charged with war crimes for manipulating information in the lead up to the Iraq invasion. Sources indicate Cheney will move to a coastal city in Argentina and become an advisor to strongman Hugo Chavez who has promised protection to Cheney in exchange for information on how to manipulate world oil prices.

Posted by: Repub Tinkerer | October 10, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's talk about McCain's association with Pastor John Hagee and his hate speech!!

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | October 10, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

@fat and dubious:

Obama may have some promises to repay, but since a majority of his money comes from everyday American's donating $5 or $10 there, I'll take that any day. Seeing as how McCain's money comes from lobbyists and big business.

Posted by: pdxguy | October 10, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

This is the first post I have ever made and not somthing I have ever intended to do. But what I have seen this country become over the last few years has me very worried. I shows so clearly in the post here and in so many others i read. America is on the brink of a Castrophy not just in this election. America has become so divided that we are in danger of tipping over into a cival disruption of the kind that can eventualy lead to cival war. With the ecomomy in the present state I belive that a compleat meltdown aka depression could lead to cival war. Please every one calm dowm and let this election like all others run its course. It like all others has its share of mud slinging that is not unexpected. But remember we are all Americans and should support who ever wins.

Posted by: Stana1951 | October 10, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Only the shallow Kool-Aid drinker will swallow this story on the Washington Post whose blatant bias should not be mistaken for reporting news. For the facts are out there and greatly contradict what both the W. Post and her sister, the NY Times allege as the truth.

Shame on you, WP.

Posted by: Brian | October 10, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

When will John McMoron REALIZED that Obama and Ayers had NEVER been friends and NEVER been close? He needs to leave that situation alone and get on about what he's going to do about the economy! He and that chihuahua needs to shut up! Obama does NOT tolerate terrorism, and he is NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN A MUSLIM! Obama was born, raised, and STILL IS a CHRSTRIAN! When will some people would get it through their heads that Obama is NOT a terrorist? Mccain keeps this mess up, gues who's going to be ending up in the White House: BARACK OBAMA!

OBAMA/BIDEN-'08 and '12 all the way!!!!!

Posted by: AnonymousWoman | October 10, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

some of the comments are incredible, some people are grasping on to anything they can to avoid voting for a black candidate. i believe that the majority of america is changing and people have really begun to respect differences and have tolerance. but sometimes i just don't know. as a black woman i was in full support of hillary clinton but i did my own research and i switch to barack then prayed they would be on the same ticket! McCain and Palin are the laughing stock of the world, and it was a down right insult to women for him to pick Palin but nevertheless it was meant for him to pick her because a higher power is at work in this election no weapon formed against barack shall prosper and he will begin to repair the deep wounds of this country.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

To the poster name "Who paid for his college,"

Have you not heard of scholarships? Pell Grants?

I too grew up in a very poor city and attended public school. I worked after school in high school and wrote for my city's newspaper. I had multiple extracurricular activities and was the president of the student council. I earned straight A's in high school and won scholarships to many universities, some of them IV League.

I also had student loans.

Then when I was in college I worked in the dining hall.

When I graduated college, I worked and eventually paid off my college debts.

I swear, Hitler never funded my college education.

If you think the only way for someone poor to attend a good college, then you have been living under a rock. Get curious. Take advantage of Google, at least, and educate yourself.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I believe Ayers turned himself in, but was not tried, found guilty or sentenced. He readily talks about that past.

Now Ayres is a Distinguished Professor at the U of I Chicago.

The McCain campaign keep saying Ayers is a terrorist, but I don't see anything that Ayers has done in the last three or four decades, or is doing, that might be relevant to such a charge.

Posted by: Mike | October 10, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Just to let you know: the rest of the world is watching with great interest what "the last best hope" (the great US of A) decides. As a member of that group of "the rest of the world" and simultaneously a citizen of America it is clear there are two sides in this battle: 1) isolationist, nationalist supporters who operate without empathy or detailed consideration for the consequences of their actions and beliefs and 2) those, however imperfect, who place basic human values and reasoned argument at the forefront of their position. The rest of the world exists, and its opinions will effect the lives of US citizens in a greater way than ever before.

Posted by: Lawrence | October 10, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Yep one week the economy is soooo important that I just MUST suspend my Campaign to make a show of it....the next week "we have to turn the page, if we keep talking about the economy we'll lose" This guy, McCain, is the grandaddy of "flip-floppers"-- he may even have invented flip-flopping he's been around Washington so long-- Maybe come January Johnny can get his very first private sector job at the age of 72 and stop living off the taxpayer.

Posted by: Already Voted in Ohio | October 10, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

The stupidity and bigotry in this country is disgusting. How appropriate that a figure from the 60s is inspiring 60s racism.

Go ahead, people, be dumb enough to succumb to Rove tactics again and vote for a president based on his "character" as created by the media. You know no more about John McCain than you do about Barack "Hussein" Obama.

Posted by: Joe | October 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Repub Tinkerer:

Cheney won't need to do that after he get a Presidential pardon ; )

pdxguy:

It's not just what he did 40 years ago. How about the article I just quoted from September 11, 2001?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain Kosovo KLA Islamic Muslim Terrorists with Al Qaeda connections
McCain 5 Lobbyists made millions from Iran business

McCain Wife of Pow duncan hunter Ethics Complaint
McCain Deal HudsonMcCain Rick Renzi
McCain Songbird
McCain Adultery
McCain Lobbyists
McCain Spanish Psychiatrist
McCain Big Oil Lobbyists
McCain Charlie Black
McCain USS Forrestal
McCain Rick Davis
McCain Temper
McCain Deal Hudson
McCain The 4th Reich
McCain Infidelity
McCain Phil Gramm Enron Loophole
McCain Enron Loophole
McCain Arizona Mob
McCain Kosovo KLA Muslim Terrorists
McCain Fortune
McCain Traitor
McCain Flip Flops
McCain Torturers' Lobby
McCain Manchurian Candidate
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Juicy I have a lot to Google this weekend. ahahahahah

Posted by: Andrea | October 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Mike:

Did YOU read the 9/11 NYT article (linked above)?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

By the way, did you know that Mccain is friends with one of the thieves from the Watergate scandal?

Posted by: AnonymousWoman | October 10, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: I didn't claim anything, Ayers did. His stomping on the flag, whenever it was really photographed, is a little thing I like to call "FREEDOM OF SPEECH." Now, I know that's a foreign idea to the GOP nowadays, but it used to be a pretty important part of being an American.

So far as you not reading his book, that just shows your indifference to reason, logic and, frankly, education. A thinking person who chooses to spout their opinion is a person who is versed in all aspects of the facts. Then again, McCain graduated the bottom of his class as did Bush. Education and reason don't seem top of the list to the GOP.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Seriously...reading the comments posted here worry me and at the same time help me understand how Bush got re-elected.

It almost seems as if some of you people are completely blind or just biased into stupidity.

"... the relationship between Obama and Ayers went much deeper, ran much longer, and was much more political than Obama said."

Wow!!!...that was such an amazingly accurate and specific description of how Obama's relationship with Ayers goes much deeper. Taking that quote as "proof" to that relationship is like taking "you people are retarded" as evidence of you meeting criteria for mental retardation. =P

Republicans will bash on the democratic candidate, democrats will defend him...obviously. But at least use some good arguments!! And I'm sorry but, so far, the only arguments founded on logic within these posts seem to come from the democratic side. I mean...Obama was 8 when Ayers (that one!...hehe) was involved in terrorist activities. He then became a professor and ended up associating with Obama...40 years after all the terrorist activity (from what I understand). Judging Obama on this is completely ridiculous. It's like judging someone for being in a book club with some guy who killed a kid with a baseball bat in elementary school or something (sorry I could't come up with a better analogy...I'm on my coffee break). It's not like they get stoned together and share ideas and stories about the old days and the future or whatever.

In any case...I'm not even a citizen and can't vote. So technically I shouldn't really care about all this. But the comments here just bothered me enough to make me want to at least say something. I mean, whoever runs the US has an effect on the rest of the world. And I can't not care about that as a citizen of the world. In fact, I think the whole world should care and actually be allowed to vote on who becomes the president of the US since it affects everyone. And we all know who would win then.

just my 2 cents
-x

Posted by: XavierG | October 10, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I have no love for Democrats OR Republicans. Can someone from the McCain camp explain to me:

Why it's a big deal that Obama surved on the same boards as Ayers. It's not like Obama appointed him.

Why it's a big deal that Ayers held a fund raiser for Obama. Anyone can do that, for any candidate, with or without even that candidate's approval.

Why it matters that Obama lives in the same neighborhood as Ayers. Who cares?

Why it matters that Ayers gave $200 is beyond me. Who knows what scuzzbags have given either campaign money.

How exactly, has Obama lied about Ayers? There is no evidence I've seen that they are friends or spend a lot of time together. I haven't seen anything that contradicts what Obama has said about his relationship with Ayers.

Also, why does this bother people more than McCain's Keating 5 involvement? Keating was a scumbag that cheated people out of millions and tried to get his political friends to get him off the hook. While McCain did nothing wrong in terms of Keating's trial or sentencing, he and his wife were close to Keating, and got multiple free trips in his private jet. It seems like this association is at least as damning as Obama's with Ayers.

I personally think neither are particularly relevent, and that both campaigns are wrong to go this direction. I see McCain/Palin's being a little farther reachin and vicious, and Obama's as more reactionary, but both said they wouldn't - that to me is the "lie" we should be concerned and even angry about, not this meaningless mudslinging.

Posted by: Chuck | October 10, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Joe:

John SIDNEY McCain has been an open book for over 30 years -- I know everything important there is to know about him -- Barack HUSSEIN Obama became a U.S, Senator just over three years ago.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

"But it doesn't matter to you, so I am wasting my time. Just vote for Obama and get it over with.

I'll be laughing when you regret it."

Michael Ryerse-- we aren't laughing about your decision to vote for GWB, most likely twice-- but then again you are probably one of the 18 percenters who think he's doing a great job...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The reason you won't see CNN or MSNBC or most certainly FOX mention anything about the Annenberg Foundation's connection to McCain (thus linking him with Ayers) is because the mainstream media need a horse race. This election has generated unprecedented ratings and dollars for media organizations, and if they can't keep the poll numbers swinging by keeping some information from voters, then where does that leave them? Annenberg is a top donor to the McCain campaign. Obama, Ayers and a host of Republicans have sat on the board for the Annenberg Foundation. Everyone -- even JakeD -- knows this. However, it's much easier to push a meme when you omit facts and details that make your "Obama's a terrorist" talking point a little thin. Until you see the full Annenberg connection in the MSM, you can hardly call them "in the tank" for Obama.

Posted by: ndo | October 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Do you JakeD? Do you really?

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | October 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | October 10, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

"Joe:

John SIDNEY McCain has been an open book for over 30 years -- I know everything important there is to know about him -- Barack HUSSEIN Obama became a U.S, Senator just over three years ago."

That's just a function of age silly boy, John Sidney McCain is sooooo much older

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I read people saying "why won't Obama tell the truth?" and "there is much more to the story". Well, then tell it!! Fact is Obama HAS told all there is to tell...THERE JUST AIN'T NO MORE TO TELL!

You people are just blindly following the Republican/Right Wing blather and not looking into it any further.

Don't you think if there was more to the story they would be telling it? I'm sick of it. I have lost all respect for McCain and I never had any for Palin.

Go Obama/Biden!!!

Posted by: AlDentePickles | October 10, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Question: Those emphasizing "Hussein" and the fact that the Ayers article was published, coincidentally, on 9/11, what does either have to do with anything?

That was rhetorical, of course I know the answer: The right wing fear machine at work, using innocuous facts to attempt to sway the not-so-smart voters into associating terrorism and Obama when they hit the polls. Pretty funny in a very sad, desperate kind of way.

I love the smell of Republican desperation, it smells like victory.

Posted by: Katie | October 10, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

2 words: Reverse Racism

Posted by: David | October 10, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

XavierG:

Please re-read the thread for specifics (including the political and professional help BOTH Mr. and Mrs. Ayers gave to the Obamas). I'm kinda busy to cut and paster that all for you again.

Joe Sixpack:

Yes, I've read that slanted Rolling Stone piece. Did YOU read the 9/11 NYT article (linked above)?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

This nation will NEVER elect a commie-sympathizing, fake-author, America-hating, Sharia-law supporting, bald-faced LIAR empty suit radical to the White House! You lefties are going to need ANOTHER deep cleansing of personal psychiatric counseling after you lose yet another election! Mark my words! And start making your appointments with Doctor Phil and Oprah quickly, there will be millions of you crying your eyes out on November 5th, the day after your Manchurian Candidate is handed his a** on a platter from the bitter, gun-clinging, religious zealots out here in fly-over country!

Posted by: CalVet | October 10, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the McCain camp is just foaming at the mouth now. The upcoming epic loss in November must be really freaking them the heck out to be frantically pursuing a guy who did some bad stuff when Obama was *eight freaking years old*.

This is like the Monica Lewinsky thing all over again: when you can't find a REAL crime or character issue, attack until your opponent misspeaks or stumbles, then focus on THAT.

Funny thing is, Obama is not agreeing to play by your playbook. Poor things.

Posted by: Tom C | October 10, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Do you dig the past of your coworkers in your workplace before working with them? Do you know much about what they did 30 or 40 years ago? You don't, and most people don't care. What you care about is how to get the current projects or issues done. So this is really an non-issue.

Posted by: Common Sense | October 10, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The only Terrorist out there right now is Bush and Cheney. 4,119 US Military dead as of July 15th 2008. March 2008 there were 8,914 wounded requiring medical air transport. So if you're a McCain supporter then you're obviously a Bush supporter. Might as well call yourself a terrorist too.

Posted by: Tara | October 10, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of who wins this election they are going to have to join the centers of both parties together to get anything done. The democrats are going to have to get rid of the gun attitude and the repubs will have to get rid of those morons who can only think about abortion.

Regardless of Baraks affiliation I dont think he is a terrorist, he's also not a muslim and if we want define terrorism as something that does harm to our country the biggest harm has been done by Cheyney, Gramm, McCain and Bush when they started this war.

This war has bankrupted this country along with rich and greedy people who should be put in jail with them. What these folks have done is far more significant the whatever Ayres did 40 years ago.

The way McCain is going it will be impossible for him to cross the aisles and get our government running. There will be so much bad feeling if McCain gets in that it will be almost impossible for him.

Its also time for people and the parties to realize that the power lies with the people and that the pres is there to make sure the will of the people gets done, in other words carry out the will of congress and the house.

somewhere the power hungry have forgotten this.

Posted by: Alex P | October 10, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Charles Keating committed economic terrorism, which was aided and abetted by John McCain. Keating gave $112,000 in contributions to McCain and also took him and his family on lavish vacations. Why doesn't McCain come clean about his relationship with Keating?? We know there is more to it than what McCain has told.

I'd like to see some facts from these insane right wingers instead of sleaze and innuendo. Show me a case where Obama endorsed Ayers' militant actions. Perhaps a letter where they exchange bomb recipes. Anything incriminating at all? Facts people, this sleaze and scare tactics just makes me donate more money to the Obama campaign.

Posted by: Barry | October 10, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Katie:

I would be happy to answer your "rhetorical" question (although, it seems more like an insinuation that I am a bigot or racist to me). I enjoy teaching little-known facts.

Was that your "Anonymous" post at 6:41 PM? BTW: I am registered Independent, not GOP. Next canard?

Common Sense:

I would not have worked at ANY law firm that hired an unrepentant terrorist.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

A McKinney/Baldin or Barr ticket would be eye candy at this rate...Heck, I'd vote for Michelle before Barrack...at least we know from footage and interviews that she opens her mouth before he shuts her up.

Posted by: Jennifer | October 10, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Tara:

That's right, you keep reapting to yourself: there are no more al Qaeda "terrorists" and, as God is my witness, we'll never go hungry again!

Jennifer:

Does that mean you are voting for McCain-Palin?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

What’s the scarier proposition here: that Obama chaired the board of the Chicago Annenberg challenge to improve innercity education on which William Ayers happened to sit alongside many Republicans, who were not upset to have him there. Or, that Senator McCain and this Governor Palin are putting themselves on camera with lunatics who are shouting, “Kill him! Terrorist! Treason!”?

Back in July Obama predicted that McCain would do all he is doing. They came back and accused Obama of entering race into the campaign. He said they will say he doesn't look like us, he has a funny name, etc. Watch the video of his speach back in July:

http://jedreport.com/2008/10/obama-knew-it-was-coming-all-a.html

Posted by: Gregg | October 10, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the national focus is changing from Obama/Ayers to the screaming nutjobs at the McCain/Palin rallies who are being whipped into a frenzy by the false accusation that Obama had any contacts with Ayers that were beyond what you'd expect from two people who move in the same circles.

The fact is they served on two charity boards together. They were nominated to those boards by different people. The fact is that Obama's first fundraiser/coffee was held at the house of a neighboring rabbi. The houseparty that Obama attended at Ayer's residence was given in support for Alice Palmer's run for the State Senate and Obama attended as her guest. The fact is that Ayers only made one $200 campaign donation for his run for the State assembly. There are no other contributions after that, probably because Obama is a moderate Democrat while Ayers is far to his left. In addition Obama has said that they've shared coffee a few times and they've had contact through their childrens' shared school. That's it. No pictures of them at Cubs/White Sox games. No reports of shared Obama/Ayers vacations. Nada.

And from out of this minor association the right wing has stirred up dangerous levels of animosity towards Obama and his supporters. Hopefully Obama's Secret Service detachment can keep him safe. But there is no one to guard the literally hundreds of Obama offices or the tens of thousands of Obama volunteers. What will Rush or Hannity or McCain say if/when one of these offices is attacked or one or more of these volunteers are assaulted by one of their lynchmob members? How can McCain or Palin justify encouraging such divisiveness in the American body politic when the country cries for unity, not hatred?

Campaign first, country second seems to be McCain's real motto.

Posted by: fishskicanoe | October 10, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

From Wikipedia:
The founding Board of Directors (Democrats & republicans) of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge as announced in 1995 were:[39]

Patricia Albjerg Graham
Barack Obama, civil rights attorney at Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland; lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School; member of the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation and the Woods Fund of Chicago; winner, Crain’s Chicago Business 40 Under 40 award, 1993; former president of the Harvard Law Review (1990–1991); former executive director of the Developing Communities Project (June 1985–May 1988)[25][40][41][42]
Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of the University of Illinois (1979–1995); member of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago (1983–1995); former professor of education (1965–1971) and senior vice president (1971–1979) of Pennsylvania State University
Arnold R. Weber, president of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago (1995–1999); member of the board of directors of the Arie and Ida Crown Memorial and the Tribune Company; former president of Northwestern University (1985–1994) and the University of Colorado (1980–1985); professor of labor economics and friend and colleague of George P. Shultz at MIT, the University of Chicago, and in the Nixon administration[43]
Ray Romero, vice president and general counsel of Ameritech; Chicago School Finance Authority board member (appointed in 1992 by Governor Jim Edgar); candidate in the 1996 Democratic primary for the 5th Congressional District of Illinois; winner, Crain’s Chicago Business 40 Under 40 award, 1991; former Illinois Commerce Commission commissioner (appointed in 1985 by Governor Jim Thompson); former civil rights attorney as Midwest regional director of MALDEF where he was lead counsel for Hispanic plaintiffs in the 1985 Chicago ward remap[42][44]
Wanda White, executive director of the Community Workshop on Economic Development; former policy director of the Women’s Self-Employment Project; former deputy commissioner of economic development under Chicago Mayors Washington, Sawyer and Daley
Susan Crown, president of the Arie and Ida Crown Memorial; vice president of Henry Crown & Company; daughter of Lester Crown[45]
Handy Lindsey, Jr., executive director (1988–1997) then president (1997–2003) of the Field Foundation of Illinois; former associate director of the Chicago Community Trust (1986–1988)

I imagine these people were interested to know that they had been palling around with terrorists, because they all probably thought
they were trying to improve the public schools. This is just a slime attack, and anyone peddling it is also slime.

====================

Speaking of relationships with so-called terrorists — it seems the United States (under W’s leadership) has restored diplomatic
relations and trade with Libya. Libya is a dictatorship under control of Muammar Khaddafi (sorry if I spelled the name wrong.)
Libya was the sponsor of the bombing of a Pan-Am flight. If Libya can redeem itself in the eyes of Republican America,
why can’t Prof. Ayers redeem himself in the eyes of Republican America? And how quickly have we forgotten that Pres.
Reagan sold arms to Iran (W’s Axis of Evil and the preferred site for McCain’s next bombing run) to fund terrorists
to overthrow the democratically elected government of Nicaragua. Oh, if we could all be as virtuous as Sen McCain and
Gov Palin and their Republican predecessors.

Posted by: tod | October 10, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Good grief. The media is going easy on Obama? How much is the media doing about John McCain's association with Charles Keating in the 1980s? McCain was a close personal friend of Keating throughout the latter's criminal escapade at Lincoln Savings and Loan, where Keating and his cronies stole millions for their personal benefit, and in the process destroyed $2B of life savings that had belonged to tens of thousands of honest and hardworking Americans. McCain participated personally in meetings with Keating and federal regulators that were set up specifically to seek delayed enforcement of regulations that would have put Keating out of business (and in the slammer) two years sooner. If not for the lobbying provided by McCain and the other members of the "Keating 5," many of those who were ruined financially by Keating might have escaped harm.

McCain's personal relationship with Keating was the closest of any of the Keating 5. During the very period that Keating was committing his crimes, McCain and his family were VACATIONING with the Keating family, flying to exotic locations in jets purchased and operated with the loot being stolen from Lincoln Savings and Loan. If you put this kind of stuff in a novel, including the part where McCain goes on to run for President, readers would roll their eyes and say it seemed implausible. What a hoot.

McCain's association with Keating was the real deal, and not a trumped-up smear of the kind that McCain is now directing at Obama. The Keating episode shows true errors in judgment, as well as McCain's abysmal inability to assess good character. More to the point, McCain's willingness to make political hay of Obama's acquaintance with William Ayers, whatever it is or was, qualifies as astonishingly hypocritical and cynical, in light of McCain's own history of "paling around" with truly bad actors.

I miss the John McCain that we thought we were seeing in the 2000 primaries. Either he has lost the integrity that he had back then, or it was all image and no substance to begin with. In any case, I sure as hell don't want him in the White House at this point.

Posted by: Aghast | October 10, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

you say a smart candidate knows when to keep the Big Lies on the down-low?

Republicans taught us well.

Posted by: longtimecomming | October 10, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

reapting = repeating

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Of course Obama lied! It's second nature for the empty suit to lie about everything!

Posted by: WallyG | October 10, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

3 words

palin, McCain = Zi Hi Hitler !!!

Posted by: tod | October 10, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Laura:

Are still "listening"?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: "Please re-read the thread for specifics (including the political and professional help BOTH Mr. and Mrs. Ayers gave to the Obamas). I'm kinda busy to cut and paster that all for you again."

you lazy bastard!! =P Just kidding bro.


Anyways...in that article it says that Ayers is safe from any prosecution and describes him like this:
"Mr. Ayers, who in 1970 was said to have summed up the Weatherman philosophy as: ''Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at,'' is today distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And he says he doesn't actually remember suggesting that rich people be killed or that people kill their parents, but ''it's been quoted so many times I'm beginning to think I did,'' he said. ''It was a joke about the distribution of wealth.'' "

So...if the University of Illinois is ok to have him as a "distinguished professor" regardless of his past and the government is not trying to prosecute him...then why would Obama have any reason not to serve in the same board as him? Like someone else pointed out, it's not like Obama appointed him or anything.

anyways...wish you all the best. This is kinda pointless.

-x

Posted by: XavierG | October 10, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a bold-faced liar - about Ayers, about Rezko, about Wright and about ACORN.

The house of cards is about to fold.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | October 10, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Gregg:

Obama. Next question?

tod:

How many of those people launched their political careers in the Ayers home?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Jake D...

I'm a Rep and I wouldn't vote for McCain/Palin if my life depended on it...we have 39 choices. In the past year I have learned about all these others that are never allowed into the debate.

The Washington Post has only showed you 2
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/

As does this site
http://www.2008presidentcandidates.com/

But, if you look in each of your states gov pages, you will see a lot more. There are about 6 that are registered in EVERY state.
A simplified list with other resources
http://www.politics1.com/p2008.htm

Right now I'm leaning towards the Constitution Party (Baldwin/Castle) and the Green Party (McKinney/Clemente)

Posted by: Jennifer | October 10, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the real traitor !!!

In the second debate, McCain said: "I knows how to capture Bin Laden..." Why he didn't share his ideas with Bush...

Obama is the only guy who wants to kill Bin Laden...

Shame on you McCain !!! (Facist, the new Hitler)

Posted by: tod | October 10, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

There is no guilt for Obama in knowing professor Bill Eyers. I know that we live in a world where the word terrorist means
someone deserving a kangaroo trial and a firing squad, but applying that word to Bill Eyers means educational and historical ignorance.

Without the Weather Underground, the Malcom X's high pitch rhetoric, and the more violent Black Panthers group, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 would have never been passed into law. And that Act was expanded with time with Court rulings that set precedents to cover various other civil rights that would have been unimaginable in the 1950's.

Those public disobedience acts were the result of McCarthyism in the 1950s that branded all protests against the establishment as leftists and subversive. And since there was a blackout of protests in the oligarchicly controlled media, some violent acts were committed to break that censorship. But the end result was beneficial to get to the equality that we enjoy today.

Let us not forget that Obama's ancestors started as slaves, and they were considered 3/5 of a person by rights wingers of the same fabric as Sarah Palin and John McCain. The civil disobedience of
the 1960s was instrumental in bringing that
change that awarded blacks human status - not to mention that the American Indians were not considered citizens of the United State until then.

What is the guilt of Obama of having met professor Bill Eyers 30 years later? None!
And even though Obama cannot agree with what Dr. Eyers did in the 1960s, I am sure that at a minimum he owes Dr. Eyers some gratitude for having fought to transform blacks from 3/5 of human to 100% of humans- which automatically qualifies Dr. Obama [yes, he is a Ph.D] to run for president.

What is Obama's honesty issue that McCain brings up? None! It's phony! There have been continuous demonstrations in Thailand against the government for the past year and people have been killed, but nobody has called them "terrorism." But we are sensitive to the word "terrorism" here, and McCain'sampaign tries to exploit that sensitivity by accusing senator Obama having "terrorist" associates. That is certainly an insult to the facts, to the American history, to the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and to any person that has a knowledge of the history of this country. Dr, William Eyers may be on another page, but he is certainly on the same book of the American Civil Rights movement along with Martin Luther King -even though King followed the Mahatma Gandhi civil disobedience script.

If Baraq Obama was not a presidential candidate, and if he were asked if he knew Dr. Eyers, he would have [or should have] answered the question: Yes, I do, and I am proud to know him. But as Jeremiah Wright said: "Obama is a politician, and he will say what he has to say to be elected." That is not dishonesty for Obama.
It is the nature of politics that goes back to Demosthenes, the greatest ever politician and orator of the Golden Age of
Athens in ancient Greece.

Historically, Obama is indebted to Dr. Eyers and others who fought for his
possibility to be counted as a full human -not a 3/5 person- and to be a presidential candidate today. Nikos Retsos, retired professor of Pol. Sci, and Education in the Chicago area; independent voter, and one who doesn't know nor have met Dr. William Eyers

Posted by: Nikos Retsos | October 10, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

XavierG:

All the best to you too -- I am well aware of the statute of limitations in his case, but that doesn't make it right -- if you ever want to discuss why liberal universities hire unrepentant terrorists, let me know : )

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Why McCain't we all just git along...that McMaverick John and hockey mom's also...talkin bout bridges to nowhere is gettin us somewhere. Also around the kitchen table where there's fear at the soccer game in their eyes and terrorist's...and that's energy and that's why a couple Maverick's are gonna win this election

Posted by: Gettin All Mavericky up in here | October 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Jake, his middle name and Ayers are not little known facts. Yes, harping on his middle name is a bit racist, but it's more meant to remind people of Saddam, be honest for a minute of your motives here.

Yes, that was indeed my "annonymous" post, forgot to type my name in. Doesn't really matter though who wrote it, truth is truth. And all your registration status is window dressing. My registration could never fully refelct my politcal views, I'm sure you'd agree. If you were truly an Independent, you'd be far from deciding like most IN's right now. You've obviously made up your mind along with the others who have fallen victim to the fear-mongering for 4 more years of Bush. Hell, as long as you vote I'm happy, but I will continue until 11/4 to attempt to educate the resistent and even the uneducatable.

And, again, Ayers wasn't exactly a terrorist, he was more of an activist (like I said before, do some reading, it'll do you some good).

So far as your end comment, how would you know who is working with you at your place of employment? Done any background checks with the CIA or FBI lately? If so, that's a little creepy/paranoid. For all you know you're with AQ operatives.

That said, time for dinner. Nice rebutting you. :-)

Posted by: Katie | October 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. This is an issue? Thank you for debunking yet another wild claim from the McCain campaign. Desperation isn't pretty. I'm looking forward to crossing the finish line and being able to ignore the postings of "researchers" like Richard R.

Posted by: Chuck | October 10, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Larry king might have been influenced by Iranian prime minister during the interview.

It being there guarantees the influence, POW was with evil regime of Vietnam. Exactly like McCain, Obama was there for some Noble purpose.

Posted by: CNN Should fire Larry King | October 10, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer:

Your previous post wasn't clear to me. Thanks for clearing that up : )

Nikos Retsos:

Are you a U.S. citizen? The 13-14th Amendments were passed way before this controversy. We are talking about Bill Ayers, not Eyers.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I am glad to see that John McCain is toning down his rhetoric and advising his supporters not to go ballistic on Obama. I respect McCain and he needs to take the high road and stick to the issues. He also should advise Gov. Palin to do the same. Palin and Rick Davis are McCain's surrogates. What they say he says. I have no problem with McCain questioning Obama's ties to Ayers or anyone else. However, let's be fair. If Obama's ties are fair game so are McCain's. The American people deserve to know the full extent of McCain's relationship with Charles Keating. This association was not a casual, social encounter. Second, the people need to know why Senator McCain celebrated his 70th birthday (August 2006) on the yacht of a convicted Italian felon, R. Follieri. Third, the people need to know the extent of the association of Senator McCain to Oleg Deripaska, a wealthy Russian oligarch with significant connections to the Kremlin and Putin. Why did Rick Davis, McCain campaign manager and former lobbyist, introduce Senator McCain to Deripaska at a retreat in Switzerland in January of 2006? I am an undecided voter who does not suscribe to any political party. What I am most interested in is fairness. What's good for the goose is good for the gander! Obama has some questions to answer, but so does McCain. Stop throwing stones at each other and let's hear your answers!!

Posted by: Robert D. | October 10, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"The house of cards is about to fold."

oooohhh...that does it. You leave Radiohead's songs out of this!!! =P

Posted by: XavierG | October 10, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

"Worthelss then 1 of John MaCains medals. Proven SOCIALIST. Thinks it's "fair" to take away from those that have. That's not what taxation is about."

I love your post, what a great laugh I got. remember what socialism is, and then look at both parties you will find more often than not, that they are just two sides of the same coin.

Remember the economic stimulus package, McCain didn't vote, but did say it was a priority for him, but just couldn't find the time to make that vote. He wanted to take money from our children and give it away and lets not forget every dollar we bring into our system is at interest. Socialism

Now 700 Billion dollars for foreign bankers, why he voted yes. Socialism

You cannot swing the sword of socialism without hitting a few of our own. So why do we keep suing words like conservative to describe a party who's tenants are conservative only when it comes to the most needy? And rack up an additional 6 trillion in debt when they ruled both the house, senate and executive branches for almost 6 years. Wow what a travesty our kids are going to inherit.

btw Obama is no better and a vote for either person will not save our economy. We need a sound money system. You obama to read the constitution but apparently have never understood the document yourself.

The Constitution established commodity monies, specifically, silver and gold coinage as the money of the United States. What we have is debt on top of debt controlled by foreigners who could give a rats ass which clown we elect.

The Commercial is all smoke and mirrors, to keep the sheeple unbalanced and looking away from the real problems.

Posted by: evil_terrrorist | October 10, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Didn’t we just (barely) survive 8 years of a privileged, fear-mongering overgrown frat boy in the White House? Do we need another one?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I think Palin is just a puppet for McCain's little show.

Let's face it we're no longer the top dog. China and maybe Russia will probably take over at the rate we're going.

Posted by: Jim | October 10, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Peabody coal and McCain and the Genocide of American Indians.

McCain And the sell of arm in the Iran-Contra debacle.

Paxson Communications and John McCain

Vicky Iseman.

There's just a few that show shuch a low character and poor moral standards. Let's think about why he's been nicknamed Saddam McCain and how he's helped with a genocide right here in the good ol' US

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Katie:

Have a great dinner. I was not being racist (I've saif, before, that I would happily vote for a pro-life African American candidate for President, Ambassador Keyes, for instance) and I wasn't even think about Saddam, honest.

As for "anonymous" posts, I usually don't waste my time with them (or fake JakeD posts for that matter). As you can see, I've got my hands full with those bright enough to actually come up with a pseudonym). I ran the litigation department at my firm, and yes we did conduct criminal background checks ; )

Robert D.:

When did McCain issue the order to not go ballistic?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
How about a 'pro-lifer' who has no problem sending young men and women to die in a war based on lies? You'd vote for that?

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | October 10, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

The claim that "the two men do not appear to have been close" appears regularly in partisan news stories. How would anyone know if the two men are close? No one has ever investigated their relationship, to my knowledge.

Posted by: jcarob | October 10, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Such hypocrisy! How many among us can claim that in the course of their lives they have never served on the bopard of an organization with a domestic terrorist?

Posted by: Larry | October 10, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Where are Obama's college transcripts? Where is the evidence that he was an accomplished writer? Read the only two poems he published at Occidental in California- they are absolutely pathetic.This reminds me of "Profiles in Courage". A couple of years ago the Georgetown Allumni magazine had an interesting article about a history professor of Jackie's who wrote a large portion of the book for JFK.( Mr. Sorensen also contributed as we all know)."Dreams of my Father" is written in a narrative style completely different from any spoken style or written style that Mr. Obama has used during this campaign.If I could see any examples of his writing from the same or earlier time period I might be able to believe that he wrote it.If we had his college transcripts I might be able to believe that he was capable of writing it.The fact that his campaign is too frightened to release these documents tells me that there is something there.We have had too many dishonest politicians elected to the highest office-I am afraid that we are going to do it again.

Posted by: Diogenes | October 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's see now. The only error of fact Mr. Dobbs pointed to is that Obama referred to Ayers as a professor of English, rather than as a professor of education. And the reality is that on the one hand, Obama's connection with Mr. Ayers started decades after Ayers saw the errors of his ways and became a credit to his community, whereas John McCain as a senator actively consorted with people who were convicted for, in effect, attempting to overthrow the government of the United States and picked as his running mate someone who, along with her husband, while serving recently in elected office actively advocated for secession and who was a regular co-conspirator with a would-be domestic terrorist who blew himself up.

It seems that as far as the "Factchecker" is concerned, lies by McCain and his allies never go beyond two Pinocchios whereas misstatements by Obama start at two Pinocchios.

For shame.

Posted by: EdA | October 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

God please help us all.

Posted by: concerned | October 10, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

McCain, oddly, has no problems associating with G. Gordon Liddy, a convicted felon who spent five years in federal prison for burglary, conspiracy and other charges related to the Nixon administration's efforts to fix the 1972 election.

Posted by: Patrick | October 10, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I see, Robert -- I've never issued a personal attack against anyone here, even after being called "racist" and just about every other name in the book -- keep in mind that I've been "respectful" even though I've gone "ballastic" on Ayers too.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Joe Sixpack:

Of course I would have a problem with that -- Iraq was not based on lies though -- next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Here's my problem with the whole Ayers thing:

Nobody but a very few useful idiots actually believes it means anything. The most rabid partisans don't really care about it. They know, but will NEVER admit, it's just a wedge issue.

Most Republican's wouldn't give a damn if it was their guy, but it simply gives them an reason to rationalize to others of why they couldn't vote for Obama/Biden. We've seen this over and over and over and over again. It's just a matter of whose ox is being gored.

Remember why they couldn't vote for Kerry? He was a "flip-flopper". Don't hear that one too much these days do you given McCain (and Palin's) "I was for it before I was against it" record. Utter and total hypocrisy.

You people disgust me. Look up the word "integrity" and try it out. It used to be something that McCain stood for.


Posted by: Mr. Moderate | October 10, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

five pinocchios for your fact checker. You are wrong. Your charge on why the Ayers case was dismissed is also wrong.


NEW YORK In a surprising a letter to the editor published in The New York Times today, the chief prosecutor of the Weather Underground in the 1970s expressed outrage over the linking of Barack Obama to Bill Ayers by the McCain campaign

As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

William C. Ibershof
Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003873017

Posted by: dotheresearch | October 10, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Now that Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin have refered to Sen. Obama as " terrorist", "that one" and everthing else in the book, now Sen. McCain wants the very people he paid to call Sen. Obama a terrorist in Ohio, he now wants others to play nice when he and Gov. Palin have done everything execpt play nice. Gov. Palin says she is a christian, but she is spending time to get on national television to spread lies about another child of God. Be careful people.
Now when all else has failed, Sen. Obama have ties with the Association of Community Organizaters for Reform Now. What's next.

Posted by: Debra | October 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Moderate:

I never had a problem with Kerry being a "flip-flopper" -- I won't vote for anyone who is pro-choice though -- it is interesting those who defended Kerry's Vietnam medals are trashing McCain's POW experience, don't you think? Bottom line, there are plenty of "legitimate" reasons not to vote for Obama.

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds ..."

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

The "D" in JakeD are: aside from what I've already posted earlier...degenerate, doltish, dumb, diabolical

Posted by: Go-Go-Go-Obama | October 10, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Debra:

You are aware that ACORN employees have been convicted of voter fraud, right? Also, when did Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin refered to Sen. Obama as "terrorist"?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD - Palin married to a guy who was a memeber of the Alaskan Independence Party. Does that bother you? If it doesn't, why would this do? Obama had no choice of who he could work for in that project. Most people don't have a choice to choose their coworkers either. So why this is so much a problem now? Think twice, look forward. You will see the light :)

Posted by: Common Sense | October 10, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

There's Alaska and it's not Chicago and up there is oil and wilderness also which is foreign policy driven. And I've been runner up and Governor of that Alaskan country next to Russia when it lifts that head which is right there also. So also there's eskimos which are ok to shoot with wolfs that makes us almost 20% of energy we use. Mavericks like me and him and other Maverickie type six packs will take that wilderness and oil it up and hockey mom's also. So that terrorists and non-Alaskan types don't bomb it too. And Ayers also.

Posted by: Gettin All Mavericky up in here | October 10, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Go-Go-Go-Obama:

You (or, at least, everyone one) will note that I never resort to personal attacks against anyone posting here.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Google "Steve Stoll and Sarah Palin." Want to know who's really pallin' around with terrorists? As it turns out, Sarah "Joe Sixpack, hockey mom" Palin, that's who. This story is about to break big and finish the job McCain has done of ruining his campaign. McCain blew it by picking Palin, especially now that it's come to light that she supports terrorism on our own soil. Go ahead and read up on it now, Steve Stoll and Sarah Palin. If you aren't a KKK member, you'll be shocked, disgusted and frightened of this enemy combatant McCain picked as his running mate. No exaggeration here. This is terrifying stuff. Really terrifying as her ties to this group are as current as 2008. Country first my a$$.

If you really put country first, you'll be voting OBAMA/BIDEN 2008.

Posted by: Republicans4Obama | October 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Common Sense:

No. it doesn't because actions speak louder than words. Last time I checked, the First Amendement guarantees freedom of expression. What is ILLEGAL, though, is bombing the Pentagon and Congress. Todd Palin is not an unrepentant terrorist. See the difference?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

it doesn't matter what you say about Obama good or bad the dem's will stick up for him they have to he's all they got.If he is what some think a bad guy and he wins the dems will be paying for it for years to come.And i am sure the rep will treat them like the dem's have been treating the rep now.its all a game of power doesn't matter what you say the one with the most money will win every time.Obama has a tv station promoting him 24 hours a day and spends millions to do so. what better way to brain wash someone.He has been taught well on how to give a speech even tho he does a lot of hmms and ands he preaches well. Mccain is just a person who has a hard time getting his point across and people make fun of him for it. He doesn't have the big bucks like Obama so he is not on tv like Obama is.He is more like the normal person where Obama is on this big platform for praise.I am not a dem or rep and look at both these guys in a different way then most of you. i don't pick a party line i vote for who will help us the most.Obama tells people to get in other peoples faces if they aren't for him. never heard Mccain say that so theres a point against Obama trying to start trouble. Mccain doesn't always know what he is talking about a point against him. it gos on and on tell you have so many points that you get lost in it all. its all a power game. the worst its ever been and you people are right in the middle of it all.

Posted by: jim | October 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

In addition to the fact that a presidential candidate did not refuse steadfastly to work together with a former public enemy, he is 404 concerning Foreign Policy. Attacks are piling up worldwide plus his "diplomatic" Foreign Policy towards the Iran.
And all that given the financial crisis in which America needs its European allies.
Which European country will still support America with a President talking diplomatically with countries like Iran?
Nobama is probably going to mess it up still more for America.

Posted by: smith | October 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Think you have integrity?

Okay, if you think it's fair game to probe Obama-Ayers, are you ****truly**** as interested in understanding what happened with Cindy McCain's drug use and criminal behaviors? Perhaps you'd like to review what happened with the Keating S&L scandal? Perhaps there are other unsavory things in McCain's past?

Or are the McCain trials and tribulations just "water under the bridge" or "already reported to death". Or maybe its because of the evil MSM never reported what "really" happened.

See how this works kids??

It only matters whose ox is getting gored. If you can't admit that (at least to yourself), then you have no integrity.

Posted by: Mr. Moderate | October 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain should get 5 Ps for this lie. Using Ayers against Obama is pathetic and very very sleazy. Shame on McCain and Palin.

Keating is lots more relevant to the election.

Posted by: Doug M | October 10, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Never mind what Obama has said or done... the relevant issue is how John McCain reacted when he heard someone yell 'KILL HIM' at his rally. He looked slightly bemused and let it go. Is that HONORABLE? Is that being a LEADER? HE SHOULD HAVE IMMEDIATELY SILENCED THE CROWD AND CALLED FOR AN END TO SUCH VITRIOL. But he just shrugged and went right on. That is not presidential behavior. Watch it for yourself --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVFWahLTdUo

Posted by: swing state bluesblog | October 10, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

In addition to the fact that a presidential candidate did not refuse steadfastly to work together with a former public enemy, he is 404 concerning Foreign Policy. Attacks are piling up worldwide plus his "diplomatic" Foreign Policy towards the Iran.
And all that given the financial crisis in which America needs its European allies.
Which European country will still support America with a President talking diplomatically with countries like Iran?
Nobama is probably going to mess it up more for America.

Posted by: smith40 | October 10, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Republicans4Obama:

Steve Stoll is not an unrepentant terrorist either.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

What does Sen. Obama's relationship with Bill Ayres have to do with the election for the office of President of the United States? I'm sure Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin had some friends in their life who they want to forget about. How much pot did Sen. McCain smoke in the fields of Vietanam with his fellow soliders and what did Gov. Palin do during her growing up years she would take back? Don't they have common sense enough to know if Sen. Obama had any "palling with terrorist" connections with Bill Ayers, the FBI would have been on him like lightening. Get a grip, peolple.

Posted by: Dwayne | October 10, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Steve Stoll is not an unrepentant terrorist either.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Dwayne:

What part of "unrepentant terrorist" don;t you understand?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I would just love to know why any cloud hanging over Obama's head is treated as ghastly, but on the other hand McCain and Palin,who have a whole lot between that's not nice, or nasty, get a free pass? It's always Obama having to explain himself.Anyone who doesn't think the newspapers are not biased in McCains favor is blind. GO OBAMA

Posted by: PUREDEMO | October 10, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Even if every thing is true, I am at pains to understand how this relationship is issue. Ayer has rehabilitated himself and doing wonderful service for the society.We all are sinners and do some wrong thing in our life(Ayer's activities were more then wrong) but we all have chance redemption.

If Ayer is still committing crimes or plotting to committ crimes then why don't we put him in Jail or take legal action.

Posted by: Samina Hayaat | October 10, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

JackD - Does that mean the students who are taking or had taken Ayers' class should be questioned? Does that mean the professors who worked with Ayers should be questioned? Does that mean the school board who hire Ayers should be questioned?

Posted by: Common Sense | October 10, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

PUREDEMO:

You're kidding, right?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/10/mccain_fudges_his_navy_record.html

Samina Hayaat:

Look up "unrepentant" in the dictionary and let Dwayne know what the definition is.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Common Sense:

The school board who hire Ayers should be questioned.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

It's headlines like this that fuel the propaganda machine. Whatever your article may say, its mere existence, its toying with shades of gray, and its "Did Obama Lie?" headline, is all it takes to accomplish what GOP want: To imprint the doubt in the minds of the undecided voter. Remember when media were running articles, TV segments, etc., on whether John Kerry was a "flip-flopper"? Surely they got their audience ratings--and they also fanned the fire of character assassination.

Posted by: Deep Clue | October 10, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Dwayne....it is very risky to downplay a cooperation on a Board with a left radical like Ayers ! Obama knew very well with whom he worked together but obviously he put up with it to climb up the greasy pole.

Posted by: smith40 | October 10, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

PUREDEMO:

"free pass" as in THE INSTANT THREAD, in which McCain's accurate ad ("When convenient, he worked with terrorist Bill Ayers. When discovered, he lied.") is given TWO PINOCCHIOS?!

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

It's simple, Barack Hussien Obama is an enemy of The United states of America.

Posted by: CarlosM. | October 10, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

so if mccain did some stuff with Charlie manson that would be ok? because mason hasn't killed anyone for years. but still believes in what he believed in before but hasn't killed anyone.I think Mccain should go see manson and see.. the dem's would walk all over that.yes he is in prison but mr A as some call him also has not said he was sorry for what he has done in fact he said he should have done more.Mr A isn't in prison only because he found a loop hole to hide in.

Posted by: fred | October 10, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

what nationwide could save you $500 in auto insurance?...lol

Posted by: tom | October 10, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

fred:

To be fair, the Attorney General at the time, and none other than Deep Throat himself, gave Ayers that loop hole, tied up in a bow -- maybe if he would have gone to prison, instead, he would have repented and we wouldn't be talking about him again -- as it stands now, his heart is hardened. That's why we are asking Obama to come clean about his relationship with Ayers. After that, we'll talk about Larry Sinclair's allegations.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

puredemo: what planet are you on. The media is all for Obama.they protect him on every thing he says.

Posted by: tiff | October 10, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I am sure that everyone on this board knows that Obama's only executive experience was heading the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, started by Ayers, and used to funnel $150 million dollars to radical groups to help education in
Chicago. The group did not actually do any good, as studies by the Annenberg Foundation showed, but they sure did give a lot of money to ACORN. It is not what Ayers did in the 60s, but what Ayers is doing now (with full knowledge and aid from Obama) that is concerning. Spend a little time researching exactly how he is "helping" education, by trying to radicalize the classroom.

Posted by: Iowafalcon | October 10, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

G Gordon Liddy is a domestic terrorist and John McCain's friend. He was made famous as a central figure in Watergate. He advised listeners of his radio show to shoot federal agents in the head because they wear body armor. He has admittedly plotted to kill innocent Americans. He donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaign. McCain appeared on his radio show LAST YEAR where Liddy called his friend. McCain responded by saying he was proud of Liddy.

We could play this silly game all day, but I'm not going to waste my time with it. I have more important things to do than reinforce narrow minded views with hatred. Those who campaign with fear and hatred are a blight on America and their base fervor undermines both democracy and their party.


Posted by: David | October 10, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

When people try to smear Obama in front of me, I just do the Obama Dance.

Posted by: Seriously in Denial | October 10, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

My point of view, like it or not:
Obama rallies are like sect events. Perfect staging and enthusiastic crowds are significant features. Obama's alleged hope and positive mind are the cause for the strong applause. His problem however is not to go into detail. Plus he benefits from the low spirit of the Nation by feeding it with an alleged positive mind.

John McCain is someone with experience and realism. He does not benefit from low spirits by feeding them with messiah promises. He just states what is makeable. And at the age 0f 71, he has a competitive political experience of Foreign Policy and he is able to debate issues closely to reality.
McCain wants to make the States more independent from oil to not strengthen the terrorists.

What a shame a lot are not really listen to what McCain is talking about because they are caught up in their low spirits and only open for the alleged messiah positive mind remarks which are nothing but superficial.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The truth of the matter is McCain and his campaign are astounded to face a black candidate who is not a typical " black man " by their definition of a black man. Barack Obama is an handsome, highly educated, non violent, very poised, very confident , very intelligent, with NO JAIL records, a great father and husband,
a great leader, who put the middle class in America first and not his personal interests, a leader who really loves this country, and the list goes on... So since they know they can't find anything about Obama personality, the best they can do is to associate him with people like Ayers
But what they ignorantly forget is that that same Ayers has educated hundreds if not thousands of Americans today. He has directly impacted their lives in a better way.
So, if we'd condemn an innocent and civil association of Obama with Ayers, what are we going to say to the thousands of students who'd been taught by him today? If some of them decide to run for the president of the United State office, are we going to accuse them of being taught by Ayers or associating with him? What about those who come in contact with him on a regular basis, they too should be condemned? Come on John McCain!!! This is an insult to us, American people. Shame on you and your party. Let me teach you and your campaign a very good moral value if you really claim to be a true Christian.


If Ayers did what they claim he did in the past, he was wrong and nobody condones it, neither Obama. The fact of the matter is Ayers is a positive force in our society today. We should all uphold him for that. None of us is perfect. We're all guilty of something in our past and may be again in the future, including John McCain and those in his campaign. To indirectly bash somebody of their past sin, especially, if they've repented of I, that makes us guilty of sin before God. What would you want to see, a criminal continue to do criminal acts or a past criminal turn his life around. Doesn't our moral consciousness uphold that? Isn't God also God of the unrighteous? Doesn’t God want the unrighteous to become righteous? If Ayers was unrighteous yesterday and becomes righteous today, who are we to condemn him? Shouldn’t we be cheering when one sinner crosses over to the other side? That’s what God does to us every single day. He cheers every time we turn away from sin. He doesn’t sit there in judgment of us on our past sins and mistakes. It’s sad that we do that to each other every day and publicly claiming to be Christians. This is what McCain and his campaign are doing to this poor guy Ayers. Where is our sense of forgiveness? Forgiveness is the essence of our Christian faith. No Forgiveness, no Christianity. Jesus became human to die for us SINNERS (unrighteous) so that God would FORGIVE US. Do you understand that? Ayers’ sins are no different than McCain’s or anyone else’s. We’re all sinners before God, whether you kill one person or one million. All God is pleased with is to see us change our life. We shouldn’t disassociate ourselves with people simply because of what they did in the past.
If that were true then people shouldn’t associate themselves with John McCain himself for his past sins.
See don’t be the first to pick up a stone when you know you yourself are guilty.
This election should be on the issues that are facing our nation right now, not on who our candidates had associated themselves with in their past.
Associating with sinners or anyone else is not a sin in itself. Doing what they do may be a sin if it’s against God’s will or commandments.
If you insist on judging someone, at least judge them for what they themselves did, not what someone they know did. Remember, when we’ll one day appear before God, it’ll be you alone and God, not you together with Peter and God. Nor will it be Obama together with Ayers and God nor John Mc with Keating and God.
Stop being swayed by this nonsense McCain and his campaign are throwing out there to confuse you voters.
The only thing that matters the most in this election is the economy. Choose the best candidate you believe will lead us out this mess Bush and his administration put us in. That is simple and clear.
Good luck to you all.
You friend.

Posted by: Your Friend | October 10, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Great..no jail records and to be a father and husband.. this is what it makes to be a president..really cool your point of view..everybody can be a father of a child..it is no big deal to make children..but the easiest thing in the world..ha ha

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

hey David seems like you wasted you time with it you commented.if you really didn't want to wast your time you wouldn't have commented or looked that stuff up to talk about.

Posted by: wes | October 10, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

If we were hiring a new dog catcher or electing the mayor of a small town, history like this could probably be set aside. But running for President of the United States places one in a particularly delicate situation. Anything in your past had beeter be aired well ahead of time or it can and will look like a coverup.

As for the Obama/Ayers connection... maybe inncent but certainly worth getting out of the closet before entering a presidential race. This is yet another case of how green and naive Obama really is... and how vulnerable he will be once he is elected, if he is elected.

Posted by: Red Out | October 10, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Great..no jail records and to be a father and husband.. this is what it makes to be a president..really cool your point of view..everybody can be a parent of a child..it is no big deal to make children..but the easiest thing in the world..ha ha.. but to defend the country by serving in the army is only subject to the most courageous ones.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Here is a link to the actual Alaska troppergate report just released by the bipartisan Legislatave commitee.
http://download2.legis.state.ak.us/DOWNLOAD.pdf

Palin "violated the public trust" and "unlawfully ABUSED her power"

Palin, and McCain -are toast

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

DID SARAH FAIL PUBLIC TRUST?


HOW CAN WE TRUST the pitbull with lipstick

and the mean old dipstick?

Posted by: dick cheney is a liar and corrupt | October 10, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin have sown the wind with their hate speeches against Obama. They are generating an Aryan Nation, Skinhead response that is reminiscent of the Nazi rallies at Nuremburg. Shouts of Traitor, Kill Him! Off with his head! are frequently heard. McCain and his partner in crime are fully aware of the meaningless of their charges but it plays well to a blood-thirsty rabids supporters who cannot accept McCain's impending defeat. McCain's campaign is a disgrace.

Posted by: jefflz | October 10, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

What is Sarah's image of America?


“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government… And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” - Joe Vogler in 1991, Founder of the Alaska Independence Party.....“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

Sarah Palin’s husband, Todd, was a member the Alaskan Independence Party, a radical group working for Alaskan secession from the United States. Todd Palin registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party and remained a member until 2002, when he registered as undeclared while his wife ran for political office. She is more than sympathetic to the cause of secession; she sleeps with a man who is committed to the idea of destroying the unity of the United States.

Sarah Palin and 'first dudes' political alliance with a terrorist who was murdered in 1993 during “a plastic explosives sale gone bad.” Todd Palin joined the party two years later. Neither Sarah nor Todd were 9 years old at the time.

Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the A.I.P.: refers to the American soldiers in Alaska as "occupying troops." Michael Hill, a representative of A.I.P., stated on Glen Beck’s program that the goal of the A.I.P. “is to dissolve the United States and the Constitution.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Sarah congratulates the secession party only 6 months ago on their political gains.

Her pastor knows how evil America is and often preaches that America will be punished: a cause dear to the heart of evangelicals everywhere (see, John Hagee, a man with high level contacts with politicians in Washington DC). Listen below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PizrJLV30yI&feature=related

Now, with her elected as VP just we can realize the Republic of Confederate States, the Republic of Texas, the Republic of California and the Republic of Alaska. The time has come elect a subversive that has pulled the eyes over the political system of the U. S. establishment

Posted by: basementfrog | October 10, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Just who is the 'real' Sarah Palin!??

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | October 10, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Richard R you're a pathetic liar. Please return to the padded cell, the men in the white coats are looking for you.

Posted by: castillomark | October 10, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

It seems Obama lied about the number of interactions he had with Ayers. He lied about where he met Ayers. He lied about his collaboration with Ayers on the numerous boards they were involved in together. Obama lied about their kids going to school together, as the kids are more than 10 years apart in age. Obama's campaign never mentioned that he receiving money and financial gain from ayers through their collaboration on a book together.

Thusly, the Washington Post is lying implicitly via their false portrayal of a minimized relationship between the two men.

Posted by: KL | October 10, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

You have got to be kidding me. McCain has lost the presidency and he knows it. Now, he will do anything to bring Obama down. Palin is flat out "AN IDIOT." This country needs to stop focusing on what was and needs to move on with a a leader who sees "what should be." Sorry middle america, stop being stupid and look past your own backyard, you might learn something.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey all of you McCain/Palin staffer trolls. Congratulations on running the worst campaign in modern American politics. It's probably not a lot of fun to be you right now, but it sure is funny to see you pretending to be "real folks". Here's a big shout-out and wink to you, courtesy of the Witch of Wasilla.

See you on Nov 4th.

Posted by: TexasTom | October 10, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Sarah stop lying.....

DICK Cheney with lipstick

Posted by: LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE | October 10, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Michael Dobbs reveal the entire story of the alliance of Obama and Ayers concerning the Annenberg Foundation grant money and board membership. Obama has been groomed by Ayers and others ...

Posted by: Tom B | October 10, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps McCain should suspend his campaign until he finds something new to talk about.

Posted by: Zen | October 10, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Don't pick and choose to make your point just like McCain and his campaign do. It is a long list of good qualities of Obama not just two. Read it again my friend.
That's what is called " taking things out of context" That's what McCain and his campaign do. It's sad to see you fall victim of that. But i believe you can still change.

Read it again. The whole thing.

The truth of the matter is McCain and his campaign are astounded to face a black candidate who is not a typical " black man " by their definition of a black man. Barack Obama is an handsome, highly educated, non violent, very poised, very confident , very intelligent, with NO JAIL records, a great father and husband,
a great leader, who put the middle class in America first and not his personal interests, a leader who really loves this country, and the list goes on...

Your friend

Posted by: Your Friend | October 10, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government… And I won’t be buried under their damn flag,” - Joe Vogler in 1991, Founder of the Alaska Independence Party.....“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

Sarah Palin’s husband, Todd, was a member the Alaskan Independence Party, a radical group working for Alaskan secession from the United States. Todd Palin registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party and remained a member until 2002, when he registered as undeclared while his wife ran for political office. She is more than sympathetic to the cause of secession; she sleeps with a man who is committed to the idea of destroying the unity of the United States.

Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the A.I.P.: refers to the American soldiers in Alaska as "occupying troops." Michael Hill, a representative of A.I.P., stated on Glen Beck’s program that the goal of the A.I.P. “is to dissolve the United States and the Constitution.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI

Sarah congratulates the secession party only 6 months ago on their political gains.


So what were the Palins doing with the AIP for 7 years?

Posted by: basementfrog | October 10, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers in his own words....

Much of the recent controversy about Ayers stems from an interview he gave to The New York Times on the occasion of his memoir's publication. The reporter quoted him as saying "I don't regret setting bombs" and "I feel we didn't do enough", and, when asked if he would "do it all again" as saying "I don't want to discount the possibility." Ayers has not denied the quotes, but he protested the interviewer's characterizations in a Letter to the Editor published September 15, 2001: "This is not a question of being misunderstood or 'taken out of context', but of deliberate distortion."

In the ensuing years, Ayers has repeatedly avowed that when he said he had "no regrets" and that "we didn't do enough" he was speaking only in reference to his efforts to stop the United States from waging the Vietnam War, efforts which he has described as "... inadequate [as] the war dragged on for a decade." Ayers has maintained that the two statements were not intended to imply a wish they had set more bombs.

"We weren't terrorists," Ayers told an interviewer for the Chicago Tribune in 2001. "The reason we weren't terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States."

In a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune, Ayers wrote, "I condemn all forms of terrorism — individual, group and official". He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response."

Posted by: Dave Z. | October 10, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Ayres has done more to help society than any of these sorry morons spouting out against Obama in these columns. If he won a major award of the great city of Chicago for his efforts and social vision, then it is totally ridiculous to make him into some kind of modern day terrorist. This is all just moose poop. Let's move on to something worth discussing. J.Day

Posted by: J Day | October 10, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama president

Posted by: RESIERE | October 10, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

There is really nothing left to say to you purported Republicans. The real Repubs have left the building. The only ones left are whack jobs, psychopaths, conspiracy theorists, and racist ranters. Do the rest of us all a favor - get some mental help - and soon.

Posted by: rayjay | October 10, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Vote EARLY and OFTEN

since they call DEMS us all liars and cheaters anyway

Sarah sorry about being found out to have VIOLATED PUBLIC TRUST..don't worry Dick Cheney will still love you

Posted by: diPstickliPstickROVE08 | October 10, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

It sounds as though Ayers turned his life around by the time he met Obama. McLaim/Falen are lying to smear Obama. I've lost all respect for McLaim at this point. While I did not agree with him politically, I thought he was an honorable man at first, but that's changed.

Posted by: pt | October 10, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Moral John. Leave your crippled wife of 27 yrs to do the Beer Wench.

Sarah - stick with Todd - the other guy is an even bigger loser.

Nice morals, Republican hypocrites

Posted by: Palimony | October 10, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Honestly that sounds like they worked together to me. The news media needs to stop down playing his connections no matter how bad they may make him look. If the guy was a terrorist before then I think he will forever be a terrorist (no matter how rehabilitated you try to make him sound) I don't care what his cause was for. All I see is a man who tries to instill fear by killing or causing mass hysteria, and the last time I checked that was the definition of terrorism. Terrorist always think their cause justifies their actions. So please stop trying to make Obama look like he is gods gift to America, and wash away all the bad tidings or ill connections of people he has made for himself over the years.

Posted by: nathan | October 10, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

RE:
Candidate Watch
Did Obama "lie" about Ayers?
October 10, 2008
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Montreal, CANADA, October 4, 2008

TO THE NEXT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEW PRESIDENT:

SIR:

"MAY I CALL YOU "O" ?"

Because of MAIN STREET!

Because of WALL STREET!

Because of the final electoral sprint - ending soon next coming november 2008 - while THE WHOLE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has its eyes on YOU.

Everyone expects You to be democratically elected and see that something happen in America.

In March 1983, one of humanity's most famous spokesmen, Pope John Paul II, came to our country - 'Haîti' - and loudly proclaimed what each and every one of us had been whispering:

'Something must change here.'

Today, more than ever, a lot of people of The United States of America stand up, longing for something and working to make something happen.

"Go thou America ahead and show us thy true countenance in a positive light.' It is up to everyone to play his or her part in order to let thee regain thy mark of excellence !"

With this letter, I am communicating with You, SIR, and with the whole people of The United States of America.

You offer this country what it takes to be a 'Wonderfull Land.' Yes, let us say 'with a great people living and working together.'

Go thou, America, go ahead, following in the footsteps of one of thy sons who is now becoming one of thy statesmen.

With this in mind, to whom else could I entrust this letter sent to his Holiness Pope John Paul II when he set foot on Haitian soil for the first time, as well as its acknowledgment by the Vatican?

That letter to Pope John Paul II is intended to draw attention to the problem posed by anti-Black discrimination and its negative repercussions on the advancement of scientific progress in the West, and more precisely in the realm of Optics.

In the Western world, according to Newton's widely accepted theory, white is considered to be the synthesis of all colors. Actually, the opposite is true. White constitutes the analysis or 'visible' decoding of light or color, whereas black is its synthesis or 'invisible' composition.

In other words, darkness or blackness and, we might add, "Black Holes'" - a scientific misnomer designating invisible stars or 'Black Suns' - are a source of energy and light. Scientifically, Industrially and Economically speaking, what an asset !

That basic raw material of light energy culminates, in its most radiant form, in the neutralization of all the colors of the spectrum in the form of usually called "white light."

Therefore "absolute blackness", the absorption of all the colors, is a divisible component of light. Needless to say, Newton's theory gives only a partial interpretation of the notion of light, by excluding black. Our contribution aims at demonstrating that the black color is not only an integral part of the color process, but its true synthesis. Light is therefore shown to be a divisible whole comprising an intensity or color scale in which black is the invisible or 'absorbed' form of the energy in question.

Allow me, SIR, in order to support my statement concerning Black Holes and radiation, to pose a question asked by Hubert Reeves, Doctor of nuclear astrophysics and Scientific Consultant to NASA:

"What would have become of the Sun, if it were plunged into a high temperature radiance like the one that existed at the beginning of the Universe? [our translation]"

"Instead of emitting light, it would absorb it and, in the end, it would be completely reabsorbed into the cosmic fluid."

The cosmic fluid is what, due to an "optical mistake", is called "darkness" or the "blackness of Space". We are talking about the electromagnetic flux, that immeasurable ocean in which the planets and stars are bathed, like the sea which links all the continents together. Darkness is thus "The Sea of Space."

"What would have happened if, instead of an ordinary star like the "White Sun", a Black Hole or "Black Sun" were injected into that primordial radiation?"

"According to Einsteinian Physics, a Black Hole is a place where gravity is so formidably intense that nothing can escape it, not even visible light. Such a hole should suck in and absorb radiation and increase its own mass: E=MC2, always."

"But after Einstein came Bohr, Heisenberg, and Quantum Physic. From then on, nothing was the same as before."

"The Einsteinian version of the Black Hole is equivalent to a statement that the matter inside the Black Hole is definitely there to stay, in that volume of space. Let us quote Hubert Reeves: "Such an absolute statement is thus contrary to the "Quantum spirit", affirming that nothing is definitely localized in one place. There is always a probability of escape. If the enclosing wall is too high, a tunnel will be dug; if the prisoners are patient, they will escape. One has only to wait." [our translation]

"According to that principle, Black Holes "evaporate". Matter constantly escapes as radiation. Black Holes "shine!" Their surfaces behave like those of any body heated to a certain temperature and that radiation endlessly feeds that marvelous "Cosmic Fluid" which, wrongly and in bad faith, people keep calling "Darkness."

Nigra sum "sed" formosa!

Yes, but should we not say instead, I am black "and" comely?

Darkness, which is both source and vehicle of light, does not have to defend itself for being the beautiful and infinitely discreet raw material of the Universe. Darkness is the "Mother of the Universe."

Also, beautiful and discreet art thou, Haiti. Discreet, yes, but never outshone! Just like the Black Virgin who inspires and sheds her love on thee from the hilltop and even beyond Cité Soleil (Sun City).

Our purpose was to offer a more constructive approach aiming at correcting the abusive traditional, so-called scientific, theories of Optics.

It’s like to say that in the exceptional circumstances in which we live today - in the point of view of FINANCE and ENERGY - no exploration in the mid or long term, by the american expertise , of an additional source of energy, at the same time safe and economically profitable, should not be ruled out.

That is why, we wrote to that authentic witness to the signs of this age, His Holiness Pope John Paul II, the prophet of the new era.

Congratulations to You, Sir, and congratulations to the PEOPLE of The United States Of America - for having made it possible for this day of November to come - to mark the beginning of a "New Era of Hope !"

Lucien Bonnet

PLease, SEE :
LETTER TO POPE JOHN-PAUL II
in 'BILL A RI AND THERE WAS LIGHT !
http://www.contact-canadahaiti.ca

Posted by: loubonnetdH6RcDzx | October 10, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

This stupid attack on Obama has about as much validity as saying: Do you really want a president who, during the Viet Nam War, lived with the Viet Cong? Unfortunately there are a lot of Americans who seemingly would like to promote the belief that Obama is a terrorist. In the end, however, this tactic goes along way to show what little premium McCain puts on truth and fairness.

Posted by: Mike | October 10, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

These right-wing people are CRAZY...
McCain is a war traitor! Go look for his adventures in Vietnam and you will see who he truly is. It's all on You Tube and on BBC.

These accusations against Obama are a cheap shot. I'm all for civilized discussion of issues, but this seems to be something that the Republicans are incapable of.

Posted by: diana, MA | October 10, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Like George Will quoted today, "Is that the best that you can do, or are you gonna (wink) get better..."

Lots of investigation of AIP going on right now - Sister Sarah is going to, Good Lord I can't believe I'm saying this, she is going to look even worse come Halloween.

Nice...it should be a lot of fun.

Posted by: Cheny2Jail | October 10, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

How dare we probe into Baracks past, relationships, political ideology, voting record, association with voter fraud, lobby money to protect Fannie Mae, radical ideas, lack of leadership when in elected office, etc.

It's not like he's running for president.

Let's just let the economy blind us and blame every single thing on Bush. Ahhhh Bush bad. Obama good. Everything else doesn't matter. Now, that's better. Now, what were we talking about?

Posted by: Doug | October 10, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checker (who's not a fact checker, since he is not impartial) is a committed Obama hater. I stopped taking him seriously months ago.

Posted by: gbooksdc | October 10, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

How dare we probe into McCain's connection to Keating! How dare we probe into Palin's connection to the AIP! How dare we probe into McCain's volatile temper! How dare we probe into his connection to Pastor John Hagee!

Posted by: Joe Sixpack | October 10, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

If you want to know about sleazy Obama connections look at big coal, not at the left. But I guess McCain doesn't want to attack the real terrorists in America.

Posted by: Mike | October 10, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I encourage McCain and Palin to keep on raging about Ayers, Wright, "socialism," etc. for the next 25 days.

And while doing so, they'll continue to look like the bleating, out of touch, out of ideas, out of their minds hysterics that they are.

And then they'll fade into complete and total irrelevancy. Because Barach Obama will be the next President of the United States.

The Truth Has Spoken

Posted by: The Truth | October 10, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons we lost the Vietnam war was because of people like John McCain who helped the enemy by giving them US military secrets while in captivity in exchange for better treatment and a pack of cigarettes.

fact check:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mcianhro.htm

Posted by: Kevin Schmidt | October 10, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The next time McCain talks about character, ask him how things are with his first wife in Virginia Beach. Adultery is a sin John, you can look it up. Have one of your fine aides google the Ten Commandments for you. It's interesting reading.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

Posted by: McCainMorals | October 10, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama was certainly not open about his relationship with Ayers, based on recently released records. I personally would consider his response in the primary a lie, since he avoided mentioning their 5 year working relationship. Obama's claim that he did not know about Ayers' history prior to meeting him is also unlikely (based on Obama's book, school), but is perhaps simply a disturbing lack of insight similar to some other claims (Wright, Rezko, etc). It would be interesting to eventually hear Obama's explanation of how he reacted when he found out about Ayers.

However Obama is not guilty of Ayers' crimes just because of their relationship. There is no evidence that Obama supports terrorism. Obama is only guilty of lying and perhaps an inability to recognize corruption, both of which are less important to most voters than a good speech.

What voters may find objectionable is that Obama and Ayers share a similar view on education. Ayers raised money for what he considers radical reform and hired Obama to distribute it. This money was not for schools and is not education as most voters know it.

Again this is not guilt, but it is a radical view that most voters are against. If nothing else, it is Obama's only executive experience and should certainly be discussed prior to the election.

Posted by: PJS | October 10, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

The day after a McCain victory, he would drop this forever. Why? Because it has no legs!

Are we supposed to believe that Obama is on a terrorist mission for Ayers?

Should we send a United Senator to Guantanamo?
What is the point - I'm serious?

Posted by: JoeW | October 10, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

rayjay:
your behaviour is typical for the boldfaced left democrats. Quoting you: "Get some mental help". This is ecaxtly what you Democrats are only able to bring about, potshotting your enemy: Palin and McCain.
We, the Republicans don't need mental help but you and the Democrats need mental help! :-)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that when Obama met and worked with Bill Ayers, they were both working on projects that were good for the people. It's like working with a criminal who paid for his crimes and then reversed his ways and became an asset to society. It's ludicrous to even suggest that Obama has anything to do with Ayers' past crimes. This is the same type of people who accused Martin Luther King of being a Communist and who hanged all these black men by falsely accusing them of raping their women! Same people, different times. Thank God America is smarter now!!

Posted by: TonyRod | October 10, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess, the author of this article is a Democrat, possibly a die hard liberal.

Posted by: Neutral | October 10, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

SHOW ME YOUR FRIENDS AND I WILL TELL YOU WHO YOU ARE.They scream volumes without a word being uttered.This perpetual truth says everything.
Pick with your cerebrum not your thalamus,America!Obama spends half his time denying his friends-why!!!!!!

Posted by: old owl | October 10, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

The solution for the economy will always be with us, but it must be implemented to be derived. What solution is that? Its the same for the Global economy as it is for the national economy as it is for individual economies: Borrow less than you invest and invest less than you save, and if possible save more than you spend.

Posted by: Patrick Eberhart | October 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

by the way, who smeared who in this election campaign????
McCain came up with facts about Ayers, NOBAMA worked together with the state enemy Number one together on a Board, this is far from being a smear campaign but all the comments about McCains age and Palins daughter and Alaska and and and are nothing but mere smear campaigns by the Democrats.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is faulted for failing to investigate a man who is presented as a respected educator before sitting with him on a board? How much "investigation" did McCain do into Sarah Palin before picking her to be VP?

Huh?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The point, JoeW, is that the McCain campaign loses on issues. Period. They are so desperate to try to avoid the worse defeat in since McGovern that they have sold their collective souls to Satan. They are trying their best to incite violence among the right-wing extremists.

So sad - the Republicans used to be the smartest people in the room. Now, we have to pretend that Palin could lead our Great Country.

God help us.

Posted by: TheTruth | October 10, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

America is smarter now! I have a good laugh, people who follow a messiah are smart? You made a fool of yourself! According to polls, only 42% of all Americans are intelligent!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

You should read the letter by the DOJ Chief Prosecutor of the Weathermen.

He said: As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

William C. Ibershof
Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008"

It can be found in the NY Times at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/l10ayers.html?scp=1&sq=william%20C.%20Ibershof&st=cse

Posted by: swanieaz | October 10, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Ok facts are out there for all to see ! I just pray that all will finally wake up and put all the little pieces together .AYERS,REZCO,WRIGHT,AND OH YES DONT FORGET ACORN........MSM just brushes this under the rug watch Fox hannity .. whenthis reportcame out about Palin that is all NBC is talking about Its bad when the election is won by MSM and voter fraud ..thats what im mad about our voice has been disabled so a democrat can win ...I would be just as mad if a Rep. were to win by voter fraud or MSM .It is wrong

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I just read what McCain did to his first wife Carol

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html

this is despicable!! Worst that Clinton!! What a scumbag!! An opportunistic selfish self centered prick!! Is this what we want to lead our country? That one?!!

Posted by: TonyRod | October 10, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

@TheTruth:
Who do you think you are to speak ill about Palin, a woman who has passed highschool and earned a university degree and became governor of a state.
What can you show??????????
Nothing of it, you looser!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

People are really responding to this story in an angry Republican way? This late in the game? Has anyone watched as the stock market has dipped the lowest in one week than any other time in history? Do all of these people commenting have stable jobs, able to pay their mortgages and buy food without making a budget? A relationship that someone has had with a person whose past is less than reputable sounds like all of us. Are the Republicans working on a conspiracy theory? Is that what I am hearing, this late in the game, as our economy is sinking lower and lower? Well, here is another conspiracy theory, Sarah Palin is associated with a radical right wing Christian group. This can be substantiated by a YouTube video made by a colleague of Palin's explaining the messages of their church and the teachings of Sarah Palin's reverend. This reverend believes in witchcraft. This is the same reverend who laid hands on Mrs. Palin which they believe was instrumental in her becoming governor. Last but not least, this same reverend killed someone in Africa whom he believed was a witch. Both sides can play the conspiracy, who is worse than whom game. Adults vote for adults, lets finally play by the rules?

Posted by: Lauramac | October 10, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous: Not at all... its a giggle a minute to imagine myself as a boldfaced (baldfaced?)leftist. I look at these posts and see inane, goofy, and unsupported speculation, arguments supported by nothing but imagination and hot air. I bring nothing but derision because that's exactly what it deserves. You cry foul but you have absolutely no interest in engaging in a fact supported debate and refuse to acknowledge any standard by which to judge if it doesn't support your preconcieved view.

Posted by: rayjay | October 10, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Very Interesting this collection of bullcrap. Neither gentlemen deserves this post. Neither does the majority of congress as evident by the vote for nothing. We really need a change. We need to change the congress and we need to change into a new political party. The American people truly need this more so than any time in our history. We need energy independence. We need to let greedy people suffer the consequences. Now that is the true picture.

Posted by: puddingtane | October 10, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

@TonyRod : no Clinton is worse, he is a scumbag, a real scumbag plus a liar plus he committed perjury, how terrible the Democratic presidents are.
McCain divorced Carol. This was the decent way!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

This whole Ayers line by McCain is about leading Americans in a new direction. Taking them down the yellow brick road, out over the the bridge to nowhere....

You know Richard R and JakeD, I have read Obama's book - Dreams of My Father. It has nothing to do with anything except Obama's personal life. It is not about his politics. It is about cutting his teeth as a human being. It is about how he came to be who he is as a person. It has no ideology in it.

It deals extensively with his personal family. With his friends and with some of his contacts and connections in life. Most area as he grew up in Hawaii, Indonesia and then New York and Chicago.

Now, to find any link whatsoever to Ayers is impossible. All you have to do is read the book my friends and you will see the truth. I recommend you read it. It will tell you why he keeps saying he is a living embodiment of the American Dream. Indeed he is the antithesis of the dream of any terrorist.

You sir, are terrorizing the minds of people with this drivel. As is McCain and his pet Palin. This is a critical turning point. If this goes further down this slimy path, McCain has not chance left, even though 27 days remain. Why? Because, they will have destroyed their own credibility.

If you want to understand Obama's political views, read his second book, which is call the Audacity of Hope. Now, having read it, I can tell you that what he says there is no different than the policies and approaches he is espousing right now, every day, on the campaign trail. If you doubt me, please, read the book. Its right there. He wrote it nearly three years ago.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | October 10, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The last Democratic president committed perjury and probably the next one will pal around with terrorists.
Poor America!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Here is a fact. John McCain has a working relationship with a known TERRORIST who totally unprovoked bombed over 100,000 inocent women and children. This TERRORIST lied to the American public and world. John McCain has repoeatedly supported this TERRORIST and his actions. This TERRORIST is George Bush and his Awe and Thunder bombing of IRAQ just to kill one man and his close alies.

Posted by: Dennis | October 10, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama DID lie about all of his connections.Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

@Paul Stewart:
I beware of reading sect books, the title "Audacity of Hope" alone gave me the creeps.
You need to have a bit more self esteem rather than follow a messiah!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

He divorced her after pursuing Cindy, the beautiful daughter of a millionaire for months while he was married to Carol and they even had a small child then, then he surprised his family by leaving them and going for the riches!! What a selfish man!! Republicans are the biggest hypocrites!!

Posted by: TonyRod | October 10, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Of course Obama lied about Ayers.

Obama served on multiple boards with Ayers, Obama wrote a positive review of Ayers book, and Obama received political donations from Ayers.

Ayers and company tried to bomb the US Captitol and the Pentagon. Ayers is proudly seen stomping on an American flag.

This fact checker is lying.

Posted by: AJ | October 10, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.DO we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

@Dennis:
Bush is no terrorists, how ridiculous, due to his Foreign Policy, he provided for you being safe in your four walls!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE go to www.factcheck.org for the truth on this BS.

Posted by: JD | October 10, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

In America,every new baby has a long birth certificate.Why would a request to see that of a presidential candidate be met with a lawsuit to block such a request?That certificate is in the public domain and should be produced -- immediately.In event of fraud.we would have to go through impeachment at a huge cost and disruption to the country.

Posted by: old owl | October 10, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

@TonyRod:
no you comment is a lie.
he was already separated from Carol when he met Cindy. The proceedings of a divorce take longer, but his behaviour was decent.
But nothing nothing you bring about McCain can bblanch over a perjury an adultery of an US President. This by far beated everything!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in OUR WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain lie good!!! me like him for president with hottie vice pres who got hottie safety goggles and big tall hairdo and walk in bathing suit and was miss america or something in alaska and shoot mooses and not afraid to swift boat obama cause obama must be destroy he from democracy party and me want repuvlican party so keep bush policys alive till end of days on holy rollercoaster bridge to nowhere. Macain pallen yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: D Miner | October 10, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama broke the law when he bought that house in Chicago together with criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.DO we need the criminal in OUR WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

What if foreigner, a married man of 25 with a pregnant wife gets a scholarship to go to an American University. He deserts his wife, meets and has sex with a 17 year old girl. She becomes pregnant and has a child. The married man leaves to enter another school 5 thousand miles away, leaving the parents to care for the young child. This married man then has more children with his wife and 2 other woman.

This child grows up and writes a book, "Dreams from my Father", has nothing but praise for his fathers actions, virtues and accomplishments. Praise for the father, brief mention of his mother, grandparents or his step father who raised him, sent him to the finest schools.
I can understand the difficulty of Obama's situation, but to praise a polygamist and in this day and age, a 25 year old has sex with a 17 year old.....not worthy of praise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

Posted by: starryperdun | October 10, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

AYERS = OBAMA = SOCIALISM and Communism. Easy math ... I went to Kent State and saw my friends die, thanks to the likes of Ayers and others causing havoc in town and on campus !

Posted by: kEN | October 10, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Why has everyone got the drawers in a wad about Bill Ayers? Bill Ayers' actions were nothing more than a normal reaction to a corrupt criminal government continuing to engage in a senseless war in Vietnam. Needlessly wasting the lives of 50,000 of our kinsmen long after the citizens of our country had turned against the war. Of the lying about the war's progress and prospects there is no doubt. Why does it surprise anyone that finally some of the citizens would start to push back. In my estimation it is our civic duty. And, by the way, Nixon might have been prosecuted for his crimes if not for the pardon granted to him by Gerald Ford. The charges against Bill Ayers were dropped because of prosecutorial misconduct.

This is not to even mention the well known fact that the board that Obama and Ayers served on together was that of an organization started by one of Ronald Reagan's good friends.

Plus, there is hardly anybody in Chicago's government that doesn't know Bill Ayers.

This entire flap is much ado about nothing.

Posted by: Bob | October 10, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Looks guys it is quite simple. If you liked the past 8 years nothing to worry about keep doing what you have been doing. If you voted for Bush and did not like the outcome, YOU SHOULD STOP and ASK YOURSELF. WHAT IS IT ABOUT MY REASONING PROCESS WHEN CHOOSING A PRESIDENT THAT FAILED ME. When you figure that out, then start making a deciscion.

It is called learning from mistakes. :)

Posted by: Ciceroji | October 10, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama the Messiah of Islam , Farrakhan loves Obama to bring in universal change according to him. Go Obama and get buddy buddy with the rest of them. We know how you flat out lie to the public or hide the truth. Why is the DNC and Obama trying to postpone there law suit? Do they have something to hide?

Posted by: RJ | October 10, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Simply amazing just how blind supporters Obama are. Perhaps you've always voted democrat and you simply can't concede that the only nominee in this election with actual experience is a republican. You'll do, say and believe anything just to stick to your side.

The majority of people really are stupid, it's clearly being proven today. Go vote for your Obama, let's see everything go further into the toilet.

Posted by: Randy T | October 10, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

First, there is a lot of misinformation in the above posts. John McCain would surely want everyone to look into the Keating 5 affair. I did when doing opposition research against him, and found that he did nothing wrong. In fact, it was some democrats that have some explaining to do. Google it, look for comments by Bob Bennett, the democrat lawyer that investigated the issue for the Senate ethics commitee.

Ayers is interesting, as he is still a radical, and he certainly helped Obama. While McCain is certainly a devil that is known, I doubt that most Obama supporters are familiar with the devil that they are supporting. Ruthless politics, radicals all around him from childhood to today (even Bernie Sanders says that Obama is more of a leftist), aiding Marxists in Kenya, interfering with troop withdrawal plans in Iraq for political gain, false reporting to the FEC about ACORN money, blocking Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac regulation after they were exposed as cooking the books, hiding his ideology. You have to overlook a lot. Does the term "useful idiot" come to mind?

Once you have put him into the White House, exactly what change are you expecting? I think I have a pretty good idea what change he is planning. Spend 10 hours researching his past, his associations, and the ideology of the organizations he has been associated with his entire life. Not exactly the Rotory Club. Google Frank Marshall Davis, Industrial Areas Foundation, Black Liberation Theology, Saul Alinski, and of course Karl Marx.

This seems like 76 again. A fail republican presidency that angered the voters. Economic turmoil brewing. Energy crisis brewing. Democrats are elected in droves to settle voter anger, including an ultra liberal president. Exactly how well did that turn out? Socialism is no cure for what ails us now.

"dangerous ambition more often lurks behind the specious mask of zeal for the rights of the people than under the forbidden appearance of zeal for the firmness and efficiency of government. History will teach us that the former has been found a much more certain road to the introduction of despotism than the latter, and that of those men who have overturned the liberties of republics, the greatest number have begun their career by paying an obsequious court to the people; commencing demagogues, and ending tyrants" - Alexander Hamilton in Federalist Paper #1

Posted by: Look, folks.. | October 10, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

The difference between OBAMA and OSAMA
is just a little B.S.

Posted by: Slathered | October 10, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wins,which of his denied buddies gets to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom?

Posted by: old owl | October 10, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a decent man that we should not be scared of as President" John Mc Same today. Enough said he tried to find some honor for himself today lets hope he keeps it up and maybe fires Rove and his cronies. Ok that was wishing too much.

Posted by: Raul Pedraza | October 10, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

"[Obama] told the truth slowly." What? Sure, trying seeing if that statement can hold water in a court of law. Give me a break.

Posted by: David Brooksher | October 10, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama gets 5 stars for avoiding mud slinging in response to the heavy dirt heaving by McCain and Palin. And the mud is there to sling: Palin taped a video greeting for the 2008 opening meeting of the Alaska Independence Party. Her husband was a member of this organization for 7 or 8 years...far older than Obama was when Ayers was doing his thing. Quotes from the founder of AIP:
AIP was founded in 1984 by Joe Vogler, a violent anti-American. "I'm an Alaskan, not an American," Vogler once said. "I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." According to Vogler, AIP's central purpose was to drive Alaska's secession from the United States. Current AIP chairman Lynette Clark still clings to this radical belief, recently saying "[Alaska] should be an independent nation."

And "Sarah Palin attended the AIP's 1994 convention where the party called for a draft constitution to secede from the United States and create an independent nation of Alaska."

The fact that Palin is still involved as late as 2008 with this secessionist movement is shocking.

Google it. There's more where that came from.

Posted by: JJ | October 10, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

So exactly how is it that someone can "play down" a connection with someone they never had a connection with? As you say yourself:

"The New York Times got it right last week when it noted that the Illinois senator had 'played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers.'"

After that please explain how you can then contradict your contradiction by giving the ad only two Pinocchios? Please put this nonsense to rest so all the right wing whack jobs can go home and the rest of us can get on with rebuilding the country.

Posted by: flavor13 | October 10, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure drinking 20 years of radical extremist koolaid had absolutely no effect on Obama.

Posted by: AG1231 | October 10, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/9/28/who_is_john_mccain_an_in

If we want to talk about corruption "The other one wins" ;-) Read on....

Posted by: Viola | October 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

four years ago, i asked McCain to run becasue i wanted the best man. A man that was honest, pulled no punches, and could be trusted to uphold the constitution.
I expected a campaign to be truthful, positive and to address the problems facing our country.
I can't believe how naive i was

Posted by: frank | October 10, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

When Barack Obama served on a board of directors with William Ayers, the two men weren't alone there. Everybody else on the board was also "palling around with a terrorist". That would also apply to all of the students Dr Ayers has taught over the years, and all the faculty and staff of the University of Illinois where he is employed. And don't forget all Ayers' neighbors---that might include everybody in Hyde Park so, oh by the way, don't forget that the University of Chicago is in Hyde Park. This line of attack seems to me to be nonsense.

Posted by: Jane | October 10, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse


Palin is palling around with seperatists! Stupid Todd Palin is worse than Billy Carter and Clinton rolled into one!

If this is all they've got, they are in big trouble!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until 2020 when the minority will be the majority. Old white men have led this country to ruin.

Posted by: Sango Alaafin | October 10, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I just posted a video for Barack Obama. Titled don't be fooled again. Remember Al Gore 2000 and Kerry 2004.

Click below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X2kjgdF1Xk

Share the video and put some comment.

Obama & Biden 2008

Posted by: Wembakoy | October 10, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

No wonder Obama said he will sit down with any country to solve problems. If there is a conflict with a country in the Middle East, I hope he protects America. Obama did not lie about the association with Ayers, he just did not want voters to know about it.

Posted by: No nonsense | October 10, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The "terrorist" Bill Ayers belongs back in 1968. Today he is a good citizen, teacher and scholar.

Posted by: Zane | October 10, 2008 5:39 PM

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Really, the terrorist Bill Ayers and the terrorist Bernardine Dohrn belong in prison for their crimes: bombing the Pentagon, bombing the Capitol, bombing NY police headquarters and bombing the private residence of a judge and his family (including a 9-year-old son). Terrorism, plain and simple.

Plotting to bomb Ft. Dix with the hopes of killing MANY people ended with Ayer's girlfriend and another fellow terrorist dying instead. Only in the last case, where the bomb killed the bombers was justice served.

These are crimes Ayers admitted to and still doesn't regret. How can ANYONE think he's an OK guy?

Posted by: Ann | October 10, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

A real story broke today. Alaskan legislature reported that Palin broke the law and the public trust, by her abuse of power in using her office for personal gain. The report goes on to say that Palin also put her employees in a bind, requiring them to do her illegal bidding or get fired.

Some day soon, Palin will be found guilty of another round of crimes. She required her people to use Yahoo and not the state system so that the office of the governor COULD NOT supply freedom of information requests to the public in the future.
Use of Yahoo breaks laws requiring the use of a secure system and the use of a system with a backup.
That's three laws Palin broke using Yahoo and making her people use Yahoo. And that doesnt count that they were using Yahoo so she could avoid scrutiny that the state presumes citizens have the right to. This is like Cheney, 'losing' his Iraq war emails. How convenient, he cannot be impeached.

Posted by: Bruce Becker, D.D. | October 10, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is another fact. John McCain had a very close and personal relationship with someone who cost thousands of people to lose their savings. John received more than $100,000 in campaign donations and was flown on his friends company jet to the Bahamas worth thousands of dollars. Then John used his Senatorial influence to stop any investigation and inquiry into this close friend who he palled around with. This friend caused the US taxpayers $2.6 billion dollar. This friend is Charles Keating Jr.

Posted by: Denns | October 10, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"If McCain had a personal friendship with an abortion clinic bomber, or a KKK member,the press would be unforgiving. Why the pass for Obama?"

Why the pass for Sarah and Todd Palin? Sarah Palin is MARRIED to a 7-year member of the Alaskan Independence Party, whose founder, Joe Vogler, collaborated with Iran against the United States, and was murdered in 1993 in a plastic explosives deal gone bad. Palin ought to be off the ticket, and her husband Todd ought to be in jail for sedition.

Posted by: Cynthia Gee | October 10, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

A real story broke today. Alaskan legislature reported that Palin broke the law and the public trust, by her abuse of power in using her office for personal gain. The report goes on to say that Palin also put her employees in a bind, requiring them to do her illegal bidding or get fired.

Some day soon, Palin will be found guilty of another round of crimes. She required her people to use Yahoo and not the state system so that the office of the governor COULD NOT supply freedom of information requests to the public in the future.
Use of Yahoo breaks laws requiring the use of a secure system and the use of a system with a backup.
That's three laws Palin broke using Yahoo and making her people use Yahoo. And that doesnt count that they were using Yahoo so she could avoid scrutiny that the state presumes citizens have the right to. This is like Cheney, 'losing' his Iraq war emails. How convenient, he cannot be impeached.

I forgot to mention, there is a lawsuit, yet to be heard, by a Republican, against Palin, regarding her use of Yahoo.
Unfortunately for the USA, the voting public wont get to hear the results until after the presidential election.
Be advised, when you add the real crime of abuse of power and leading her employees to break the law, to the yahoo crimes, she can be impeached in Alaska from the governor's job, if she loses the VP job and doesnt have the Bush legal team anymore.

Posted by: bruce Becker, D.D. | October 10, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

This whole Ayers thing was just the McCain camp's way of distracting the public from what they knew was coming down the pike:


Today the Troopergate investigators, mostly Republicans, CONCLUDED THAT SARAH PALIN ABUSED HER POWERS IN OFFICE.

How does it look now? What's all that she's been saying about having nothing to hide. Doesn't that sound like a lie? Yet another lie?

It's finished.

Posted by: J. | October 10, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for McCain. This is his last campaign and he wants it so badly that he will stoop to such incindary language. His base is with him and are rabid. Saying such hateful things as kill him and terrorist

He used to have my respect. I voted for him once in a 2000 primary. Who is this McCain. John I hardly know ya.

Posted by: Pat Smith | October 10, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama cannot lie about the fact that his mentor was the late communist Frank Marshall Davis and that they visited together in Hawaii and that "they read poetry and Frank was full of hard-earned knowledge and advise". Obama wrote this in his first book. Obama also admitted that he attended socialist conferences. He and Frank were like "father and son". Nobody is blogging about Obama's speach (I saw it on the internet) about a years ago where he talked about his presidential goals: more subsidized public housing; wage insurance to supplement union workers; free job training even for criminals; universal national service; free college tuition; global proverty act, i.e. Marshall Plan for Africa; universal guaranteed health care; universal 401ks (govt. matches contributions for low & moderate income families; universal preschool (where the Obama doctrine is taught?); a fatter earned income tax credit for working poor. Sound like socialism? You bet. You don't hear much of this from Obama now as he/his campaign figured out these won't get him in the White House. He will tell you naive Obamians anything to get elected. Socialist States of America; wave goodbye to democracy....your children and their children would have enjoyed living in a free society. Perhaps you liberal Obama supporters should write a report of the freedoms you have had so these children will know what democracy was like.

Posted by: America has gone crazy | October 10, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Everyone says that Bush screwed up our country and McCain will do more of the same. But think back to before 2006. Our economy was pretty good. I still had a job, money in the bank, and a fairly valuable house. Then the Democrats took over congress, now I don't have any of those things. Job is gone, living on unemployment, can't get an interview, house has been devalued $30,000. I don't believe Obama is the answer. But the powers that be are determined to put him in charge. I hope he won't treat America like his father did. Daddy deserted his wife and baby first, then deserted the USA, and ended up a drunk, killing himself behind the wheel. Just how far does the acorn fall?

Posted by: John | October 10, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

RandyT

We are not impressed with McCain's experience.

As Senator McCain gave false propaganda to the USA citizens on Letterman on OCT 2001 regarding Anthrax attack which he said, he has a source who knew it was IRAQI's. To provide false propaganda to lead the USA to war is a crime, RandyT. And McCain is hiding the perpetrator's name. View that video.
google OCT 2001 Letterman anthrax mccain

See also
As POW he gave propaganda to the enemy. I read the transcript from an interview he gave to Cuban radio.
If you want, I can find the testimony by a LT COL who is also a former POW who was also beaten, who calls MCCain "songbird".

See also
Keating Five. McCain's first congressional run was funded 1/3 by Charles Keating. He owed Keating bigtime. So he stonewalled the federal investigators, looking into problems with Keating's bank, postponing the stoppage of damage.
Due in part to McCain's actions, the bill to taxpayers, for the bailout rose to $500 BILLION, back when that was real money.

Posted by: Bruce Becker, D.D. | October 10, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Until this election, I really haven't given much thought to the reality of racism, and to be honest, I've been thinking that racism was more a thing of the past. But now, with a black candidate running for President, I see all these southern white males openly expressing the racism of the 50's, and it is disgusting. Disgusting, because these guys obviously feel they are entitled to "superiority" over black people, even when the white man is under-educated, under-achieving, lazy, untalented and intellectually inferior to his black counterpart. Why is that? Is it an ego or self-esteem booster for a person who has accomplished nothing worth mentioning during his life?

By the year 2050, whites will no longer be the ethnic majority, and you racists will just have to accept your ordinariness and learn to live peacably with your red, black, brown and yellow neighbors. If you can't do that, then hop a ship and leave the country. We won't miss you.

Posted by: 50ish white female | October 10, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

In 1968 when I was 28 I was a member of the Students for a Democratic Society. The "Weather Underground" was a splinter group of the splinter group known as "The Weatherman". Most of the members were undercover operatives for the FBI or for other law enforcement agencies. Among these were many "agent provocateurs" who tried to get "real" members of the "Underground" do commit acts of violence. The real members of the "Underground" were patriots who were opposing the "Military Industrial Complex". This was something that President Eisenhower had encouraged Americans to do. In 1964 I admired Barry Goldwater who had said "Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice. Moderation no virtue". The actions of the "Weather Underground" were in defense of liberty. When I was active in SDS in 1968 I admired the courage of the real members of the "Weather Underground". They were "radicals". At that time George Wallace often pointed out that there really wasn't "a dimes worth of difference" between Republicans and Democrats. That is still true. The definition, at that time of a "liberal" was "someone who would hand a brick to a conservative to throw at a radical".
Lots of bricks being thrown at William Ayers today but in fact it was people like he and his wife who were the heroes of the time. They were not terrorists. They were patriots.

Posted by: Jim Doyle in Beijing | October 10, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

JoeSixPack: The men and women who have placed their lives on the line for our country and gone off to fight wars are VOLUNTEERS. The children who have their brains sucked out while still in their mothers' wombs are not volunteering to die.

Posted by: JaneSixPack | October 10, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

to the right winger ranting about Davis the dead commie poet.

Socialism and democracy co-exist in many countries.
See England, and Canada.

PS. we can do better of course. If we make it a priority, we can have the best system of medicine in the world.
And, we need more doctors. We can have several federal med schools. There is an intentional shortage of MD's to keep the income level at $330K per.
I know some people who will work for $100K, dont you know?
Especially easy to find them if they dont have to pay for the school and they get paid a living wage during internship and dont have to work 80 hours a week for peanuts during the internship. There ARE benefits to a civilized approach to education and medicine. We can set up a service for Appalachia and the high plains farmers and the inner cities where these docs will work off their free school and room and board.
No problem. There will be lots of fine applicants. You betcha!!

Posted by: Bruce Becker, D.D. | October 10, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama also gave over $800,000 to the ACORN organization, which is responsible for Fraudulent Voter Registration in at least 12 states. Is this also "nothing"? When will the media stop making excuses for Obama? When will Americans put 2+2 together? Obama is a wolf in sheep clothing. If McCain had been involved with all these people, it would be all over for him.

Posted by: ohiopolitico | October 10, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Liar!

Posted by: Falcon | October 10, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

JaneSixpack

You dont have to have an abortion if you dont want to.

Stop trying to control other people's lives.

You are not G-d.

Posted by: Bruce Becker, D.D. | October 10, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his cronies are the liars!

Posted by: Falcon | October 10, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

To Jake D: Here's news for you: the State of Illinois exists. We aren't invisible. We elected Barack Obama as our State Senator for two terms before we elected him to represent us in Washington (and BTW that was with 70% of the vote). Please don't diss Illinois by saying that Obama's Senatorial career is only three years long. It is nearly twelve years long. And I bet you don't know that Obama has taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago for twelve years. Or that he has worked for a corporate law firm for nine years. And that doesn't mention his academic career, which I do not doubt is more impressive than yours.

Posted by: Jane | October 10, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to give up on having any sort of career. I took a class taught to me by Ayers, but I was never told he used to be a terrorist. I went to his office hours and laughed with him a few times, and he even helped me with one of my papers. I'll never, ever be able to have any sort of chance in life. I didn't even know he was a terrorist 'til this campaign. I don't make it a thing to do background checks on my professors.

Do you see the flaw in the logic of the McCain campaign? Thousands upon thousands of students who learned from Ayers over the years, and who may have gotten similar help as I did, and maybe even had more contact with him than Obama did, would never have a chance in politics, and that concept is just preposterous.

As it has been said time and time again, if there is guilt by association, what exactly is Obama guilty of? Being a terrorist? There is no evidence at all to suggest he is, and saying there is makes you a liar, not Obama.

And enough of saying Barack Obama’s middle name. It’s yet another ridiculous ploy to point out he happens to share a name with a hated dictator, and it’s simply a transparent and foolish attempt to play on the fears of uneducated people.

Posted by: Sam | October 10, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

What is really silly about McCain and his campaign is Sarah Palin saying "Obama's palling around with a terrorist"
But, McCain is so blind to see he's palling around with people(Palin & her Husband) who would love to see Alaska be an independent country! Do you realize how many Americans will cease to be Americans?
McCain, we can't let you be our president. Sorry. You will surely give Alaska away.

Posted by: BLove | October 10, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

If you're going to quote Ayers wiki page:

"In an interview published in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs at that time and in the 1960s and 1970s: "I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ... The ethics of Communism still appeal to me. I don't like Lenin as much as the early Marx."

If you're going to call McCain an anti-semite, look at Ayers writing on his own web site, http://www.billayers.org/, and peruse his thoughts and writings. From what I see he dislikes anything America is for. You'd think that at some point there would be agreement. Instead there seems to be an effort to take the polar opposite of whatever stance the USA takes. This to me in anti-American by definition. You'll have to dig to find his pro-Palenstine/anit-Israel postings.

I don't think that Ayers or Wright alone necessarily point to being a bad person. I do think that you are 1) by repeatedly choosing this stance, this is your stance or 2) you are choosing this stance to advance your political career. Either one doesn't speak well of oneself.

Obama is extreme left at least McCain has some history of a more moderate philosophy. Neither one are good choices in my opinion but I think moving towards the middle will help the country...I see an Obama choice further from the middle than a McCain choice.

Posted by: bonesneeze | October 10, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

As a patriotic American, I am so sad reading the entries of the delusional, brainwashed McCain-Palinites. Even when the distrubing facts are staring them in the face, they reject the truth...opting instead for McCain campaign's sudden ugly, hate-filled rhetoric and absolute lies about Obama's "terrorist pals."

Sarah Palin is the one with truly questionable terrorist associations, such as her connection to Joe Vogler, the "raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party". Palin sent a video shout-out earlier this year to the AIP: "Keep up the good work. And God bless you"!

According to David Talbot, in the Salon:
"Vogler's greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the entire world and to demand Alaska's freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue. That's right ... Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran."

Let's hope the truth about Sarah Palin "comes out fast" now, REAL FAST!

Posted by: Truthfairy | October 10, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

And, no, I was not originally an Obama supporter, but I do think McCain has sold a piece of his soul to try and win this campaign. To be quite honest, I would not be at all surprised if McCain wins, but I would be disappointed. Unfortunately, rabble rousing tends to work.

Vote, everyone, and call to make sure your registration went through. There are many officials who will take you off the voters registry if they don't like which party you're signed up for. Don't take no for an answer. Force the issue if necessary, and vote for who you believe in most.

Posted by: Sam | October 10, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Why the anger toward Obama and loose ties to a former terrorist? Does the Christian Right believe there is no forgiveness and opportunity for a new life following poor decisions? The Vietnam War was one of the worst decisions our government has made in years. The war disrupted the lives of thousands, my father lost his best friend, two guys I know suffer from PTSD, and John McCain still suffers from health complications from an ill-advised war. Protesters were out of line, they were despicable - no excuse. Bill Ayers was out of line. However, should we keep the "Terrorist" label for life?

History illustrates that many people acted poorly during the 60s and 70s during the war. Should we call Bill Ayers a terrorist forever? Should John McCain based upon his bombing raids of Vietnam be called a baby killer forever? Is there an opportunity for forgiveness - Christians? If Bill were to apologize to you for his actions - would it be ok, and would you no longer be on a witch hunt for the Obama connection?

Oh and Bill Ayers, it appears that you will be labeled for life and we will not hang out. I cannot afford the cost of our connection. Regardless if you are attempting to make life better for thousands of kids, you are still worth less than a CEO executive for AIG. Those are the people I need to hang out with, they may swindle millions of dollars and continue to do so at all costs, but that is far better than someone that did something years ago - you are a terrorist-always will be.

Oh, and here is one terrorist definition from dictionary.com that they may be using to label you for life. As we go forward, we need to review others lives and revise their labels.

1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.

To all, I think Bill made mistakes and he should have been punished for his behaviors. The court ruled otherwise. Lets move forward. Please talk to me about everything he has done since that time. Consistent with terrorism?

Don't think so.


Posted by: Adam S | October 10, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

look folks .. bravo.you call it right on.

Posted by: smartie | October 10, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

McCain threw in the towel today.

Posted by: Terry | October 10, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Jane, don't get worked up about JakeD, he's been out here with his trash for a long time.

And Anonymous! Well, why don't you come out of the closet? Have something to hide eh?

Your posting "

@Paul Stewart:
I beware of reading sect books, the title "Audacity of Hope" alone gave me the creeps.
You need to have a bit more self esteem rather than follow a messiah!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 10, 2008 9:50 PM"

You know what, my friends tell my I have too much self esteem. I am not some child. I am 53 years old. A professional. I know what I am doing. I don't listen to anonymous posters. Okay?

And, just to be clear, all your trash comments on this site are disturbing the peace here. You know? You are subject to not posting on this site until you grow up. From now on, you are relegated to the childrens' web sites only. You will be subject to net-nanny restrictions until two years hence. At that point you will be subject to probation until you can show you are a human being.

Okay? Now take a hike.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | October 10, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Here is what National Review says: Bill Ayers: I've been saying for 40 years, you can't separate "the concept of progressive education from the concept of politics and political change" [Andy McCarthy]


Reader John Rylanders points Cornerites to this very interesting October 2006 interview of Bill Ayers in Revolution (the self-styled "Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA").

Some context: Ayers explains that he returned from summer vacation to his post as a professor of education at the University of Illinois only to find an apologetic letter from colleagues with whom he had been working for decades. The colleagues were writing to explain why they were not inviting Ayers to a conference on "progressive education" being planned for the following spring. Ayers tells Revolution (all italics in this post are mine):

The people who wrote the letter were an administrator at a university, a dean, and then a couple of people I knew pretty well, actually. I think I was stunned to get it because what it said in effect was we’re having an important progressive education conference, we count you as one of the important progressive educators in our era. Therefore we feel we owe you an explanation of why you’re not invited.... [A]s I thought about it I thought … here’s one of the dismal signs of the times. These guys aren’t just progressive, they’re socialists, and they think of themselves as activists. And yet they feel that in order to have a meeting that will be legitimate, they have to make a decision who to exclude, and they excluded me. And I decided it wasn’t an issue about me in particular.... But I did feel increasingly agitated about the thinking that went into it....

They said in the body of the letter: we want to position progressive education not as radical, but as familiar and good. Now that just steamed up my ears because if you’re saying you’re a progressive educator… That’s one of the things that’s actually annoyed me for about 40 years of being a progressive educator: the separation of the concept of progressive education from the concept of politics and political change. You can’t separate them…and this is a contradiction, incidentally, that goes all the way back to the beginning of progressive education and really the beginning of the conversations about the relationship between school and society. But John Dewey was one of the brilliant, brilliant writers about what democratic education would look like and was himself an independent socialist. But he never resolved a central contradiction in our work, the contradiction between trying to change the school and being embedded in society that has the exact opposite values culturally and politically and socially from the values you’re trying to build in a classroom. This contradiction is something progressive educators should address, not dodge. So this is what got me going. That’s a short version.

Ayers goes on to complain that the presentation of progressive education "as something nice and familiar" is "just saying, I’m giving you progressive education-lite. I don’t see the point in that." Moreover, since "schools serve society in subtle and overt ways," his colleagues don't appreciate that "[y]ou’re not changing anything if you don’t address the social inequities out there."

Ayers dilates on "Berlusconi ... [t]he right-wing bastard that used to run Italy."

He says, "[I]f you look at a place like Chicago or if you look anywhere around the country, the right wing—it’s not just conservatives, it’s probably the most reactionary cabal of ideologues I’ve ever seen, operating with a very, very clear ideological purpose ..." Amusingly, included in the cabal for Ayers are not only all three branches of government (this interview was a month before the 2006 elections — and Ayers goes on to paint the Democrats as cowards anyway, so it's not surprising that he thinks the Right controls the federal courts); he also thinks the media is in the tank for conservatives — a "kind of bought priesthood of the media that does nothing but bow down to them and kowtow to them."

He blasts our "authoritarian society," standardized tests, the idea that the schools should be evaluated under market standards with producers being pressured to satisfy consumers, charter schools and school voucher programs.

Ayers, in unabashed solidarity with fellow socialists, communists and leftists, also offers a spirited defense of Ward Churchill:

Ward Churchill is a great example because what I think people, leftists are continually doing with the Ward Churchill case is missing this larger context ... and instead kind of parsing, “Well, what did he say and do I agree with it.” What the hell do I care? First of all, there was a thorough study done by a university committee that never should have been set up, and they found a few, a tiny, a handful of instances where he might have borrowed a phrase, but nothing like Doris Kearns-Goodwin ... did, nothing like, you know, the big academics at Harvard have done, like Dershowitz[.] And yet somehow he’s held to the standard. And then people on the left again feel like they have to say, well this is part of what Ward says I don’t agree with. What has that got to do with it? He’s being pilloried for his politics, for being a leftist, for being a critic of U.S. imperialism as it relates to Native Americans. How can we as socialists or as communists or as leftists, how can we leave him in the cold and say, well I’m a good leftist because I don’t talk the way Ward talks. I find that appalling. And I would hope that when they come to get Ward, we all link arms and don’t allow it.

Ayers ends by detecting what he takes to be this streak of cowardice in many Democrats and in the letter he received from his colleagues:

It’s not only cowardly, it’s cynical. But it’s suicidal. And by cynical what I mean is that you don’t trust people and so you kind of try to parse out your own little place to have your career as a lefty. And that just makes me sad when it doesn’t make me sick. You have to believe that if you speak the truth, if you speak up and speak the truth as you understand it ... that people can get it. So the cowardliness of not speaking out—we see this in the Democratic Party all the time. Why won’t they speak out against the war? They know better, some of them. But they won’t. And partly because they’re bought into the same system. But even those who know better won’t do it, and the reason is they don’t trust people. And we as revolutionaries

have to say that at the end of the day,

people will be smart enough, good enough,

strong enough to stand up. But why should

they do it if we don’t have the courage to do

it? And the letter I got was a cowardly letter. Its cynical, it’s cowardly, and it’s slippery.

Again, this is from only two years ago. Ayers does not

try to hide who he is or where he is coming from. He

is a proud leftist revolutionary. His driving idea, in

this phase of his career, is that the classroom is the

frontline of the revolution. And when he was given the

opportunity of a lifetime, a $150 million

fund to be doled out as seed money for

the kind of programs he thought would

advance the cause, the guy brought in

to run it was Barack Obama — with

whom he worked closely on "change" in

the schools for five years.

This is what you have missed, from National review.

Posted by: Charles F. Ellis | October 10, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Tell the truth... slowly and with significant omissions. the proverbial double speak has now become the norm for left.
"Obama, by contrast, was just two years into his first Senate term when he announced he would run for president. To date, he has been the lead sponsor of 123 bills, but just two of them actually passed: one "to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo" and "a resolution designating July 13, 2006, as 'National Summer Learning Day.'"

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13516

Posted by: keith olbermann | October 10, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Jane (and anyone else who doesn't know the difference between the U.S. Senate and the Illinois state senate):

May I suggest School House Rock?

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

And now, let’s dig deeper.

FEC reports show that from February-May 2008, Obama paid $832,598.29 to CSI.

The payments were for:

$310,441.20 25-FEB-08 STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING
$160,689.40 27-FEB-08 STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING
$98,451.20 29-FEB-08 TRAVEL/LODGING
$74,578.01 13-MAR-08 STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING
$18,417.00 28-MAR-08 POLLING
$18,633.60 29-APR-08 STAGING, SOUND, LIGHTING
$63,000.00 29-APR-08 ADVANCE WORK
$105.84 02-MAY-08 LICENSE FEES
$105.84 02-MAY-08 LICENSE FEES
$75,000.00 17-MAY-08 ADVANCE WORK
$13,176.20 17-MAY-08 PER DIEM

Interesting services and payments for a nonprofit that supposedly does simple canvassing work on behalf of low-income people. And now, the Obama campaign is going to wave its magic wand and change those services to get-out-the-vote work? What the…?

For your information: The New Orleans building that houses CSI also houses multiple chapters of ACORN and the SEIU– as well as the 527 group Communities Voting Together.

And for your information: A tipster points to shady business by CSI -detected by Maryland Democrat Al Wynn, of all people. His team, which filed an FEC complaint over the matter, linked several suspicious outfits used by his primary opponent to one address: 1024 Elysian Fields in New Orleans. That’s the address of CSI and ACORN

Posted by: pepper | October 10, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Sam:

As long as you don't launch your political career from the Ayers livingroom, I think you'll be fine.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

here is some more on the Acorn and Obama stuff.. from a news paper report..

U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat's campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports.

FEC spokeswoman Mary Brandenberger said it is not unusual for campaigns to amend reports, even regarding large sums of money.

But, said Blair Latoff, spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee: "Barack Obama's failure to accurately report his campaign's financial records is an incredibly suspicious situation that appears to be an attempt to hide his campaign's interaction with a left-wing organization previously convicted of voter fraud. For a candidate who claims to be practicing 'new' politics, his FEC reports look an awful lot like the 'old-style' Chicago politics of yesterday."

Posted by: maryjane | October 10, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

The two pinocchios represent the depth of the MSM's node in someone's.... oh well.

Bill Ayers wrote Obama's book. That is how close they were. But none of this would matter except it demonstrates that Obama is a sock puppet and probably subject to Ayer's socialist blackmail. Obama is bereft of intellectual and moral qualification for office. I could have hoped for another Republican to bear the standard for the party but any Republican is better than Obama "Empty Suit" Obama.


Posted by: aloysius1 | October 10, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

as long as we are doing news paper reports here another one on Obama..

Citizens Services, Inc. is a “non-profit” corporation, chartered in the State of Louisiana in January 2005, with three listed Directors, one in St. Paul, MN, one in San Diego, CA, and one in El Paso, TX. Details from the Louisiana Secretary of State’s website are here. It shares its office address, phone and fax numbers with the Louisiana National Office of ACORN.

A specific, month by month account of money paid by the Obama campaign to the ACORN front organization, Citizens Services, Inc. for those fraudulent “advance service”, taken from FEC reports and totaling $832,598.29 since Feb, 2008, can be found here.

Barack Obama has a long and colorful history of denying his embarrassing, radical leftwing associations, until he can no longer maintain the façade. At which point, he jettisons whatever or whoever has caused the embarrassment and MovesOn.

As he has done throughout his career, Obama has been rewarding those who support his ambitions. The Obama campaign, flush with cash, has been funneling money to ACORN through Citizens Services, Inc. much as he did in Chicago with the Woods Foundation and the Annenberg-Chicago Challenge. While Obama served on the Board Of Directors of the Woods Fund, for example the Chicago ACORN received grants Of $45,000 (2000), $30,000 (2001), $45,000 (2001), $30,000 (2002), And $40,000 (2002) From The Woods Fund, as reported on the Donors Forum Website, ifs.donorsforum.org.

Hopefully, this dishonest tactic of Obama’s will not work with ACORN and all its blatant attempts at wholesale voter fraud. It should be clear to even the most jaded observer that ACORN’s claims to being a “non-partisan, non-profit” are merely a skimpy cover, as are those of Citizens Services, Inc. And Obama’s attempts to distance himself from ACORN, has he did previously with Rev, Wright, Michael Flegler, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, et. al. are only more of the same old same old.

Posted by: kevin | October 10, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Where is the beef? Since the McCain campaign is making claims that Obama lacks honesty, judgment, truthfulness, and responsibly and has a "close working relationship" with Ayres, where is the proof?

Surely they can produce some facts that can be verified and tested for truthfulness!

Surely they must have facts they are willing to share with us, to prove they are honest, truthful, and have good judgment themselves and are responsible people, who would not otherwise, make such strong, negative character assignations without verifiable proof.

Surely, if they had anything negative at all, about Obama they would not hesitate to publish and produce it. Otherwise, because of the lack thereof they have fabricated, lies, to fan the flames of meanness, hatred and division.

McCain and crew have a surprise coming: when the "Tom Bradley" effect in reverse causes Obama to win by a larger margin than anticipated: McCain thinks that everyone cheering them on at their rallies share the same hateful spirit as McCain...

... Not realizing that once behind the closed curtain, the voters are going to do what is right for the country and their pocketbook and vote for Obama which will provide the direction and guidance to get us out of this mess.

They will come out of the booth saying yea, when around the good ole boys: I voted for McCain! I would never vote for no N-word.

McCain’s strategy is to stir up hatred and operates through a divisive-spirit which only contribute to further economic decay.

We are all in this mess together and everybody has to realize the common-cause that bind us together and the common-ground we have to stand on to sail through this storm.

Posted by: Dave Nomrah | October 10, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

heres another news paper report i found.

The union supporting, Democratic Party pushing, extreme leftist Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has been caught trying to jerry-rig voter applications in Michigan. It is looking like fraud on a massive scale in Detroit as ACORN tries to fill the Democrat voter rolls with fake Democrat voters.

ACORN is being investigated after several Municipal Clerks discovered fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications.And it isn’t just Detroit that has found fraud being perpetrated by ACORN.The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review is also reporting that the Obama campaign has been forced to amend a report to reflect over $800,000 of previously unreported ACORN donations to his campaign.

ACORN is at the heart of one of the most massive voter fraud campaigns in American history. ACORN is intimate with Barack Obama and is a major supporter of unions throughout the country and is doing its level best (and illegally at that) trying to assure that Obama wins this election.

Posted by: Barry | October 10, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Dave Nomrah:

You are seriously suggesting that rally participants, some whom made 100+ McCain-Palin calls for their tickers, are going to vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama?! Even Operation CHAOS voters didn't take it so far as to attend Hillary events.

Posted by: JakeD | October 10, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

how can you vote for someone who tells his fans to get in peoples faces and argue with them for him? Thats like telling them its ok to fight or start a fight.. If someone got in my face and told me i was wrong for thinking the way i do they would get hit.. I think most Americans would not stand for that

Posted by: tiff | October 10, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

...and now back to the article...

Obama was asked to describe his relationship with Ayers. Rather than provide an accurate description, he answered with several true statements. Some consider this a lie; others would consider it simply misleading. In either case, it is very common among politicians.

The problem is that the follow-up question took 6 months. Understandly the records were blocked until 2 weeks ago so many people simply took him at his word, but why are voters not demanding the details of a candidate's life?

Posted by: OBL | October 11, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

You don't seem to mention what truths Obama obscured in his statement to Stephanopoulous. If he told the truth slowly, there must be some truth that he told later which he omitted before.

Personally, I think it was horrible judgment to even touch this issue, but if you are going to address it, you should at least give it due diligence. This particular column is way too short to make your case.

Posted by: FactWrecker | October 11, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Katie Couric go on Obama's world tour? She missed a golden opportunity:

Couric: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples of what you did as a community organizer?

Obama: I'll try to find you some and bring them to you after the election.

Couric: You're so handsome!

Posted by: Skip | October 11, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

If Obama is running against George Bush, McCain should run against Chris Dodd and Nancy Pelosi. The difference is that Pelosi and Dodd are actually running, and electing Obama will eliminate the power of checks and balances in Washington. For more details about what this means to your finances, check back next year (if you survive)...

Posted by: Help! | October 11, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers did despicable things. However, he did not say, "we should have done more," anytime recently. It was in connection with a book published 7 years ago. He's served on boards with people besides Obama, with people who are Republicans, for Gods' sake!

Meanwhile, Cynthia Gee is right - if you look into Joe Vogler, the man who founded the Alaskan Independence Party, which Todd Palin belongs to, he was murdered on the eve of giving a speech to the United Nations about Alaskan independence - sponsored by the country of -- wait for it -- Iran?!? His murderer described it as a "plastic explosives deal" that went awry. Doesn't that sound, well, sort of like a terrorist? Tim McVeigh not ring a bell to any of you? And this in 1994... a good deal more recently than Ayer's activity in the Weather Underground, which ended almost three decades ago.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Reading all these news reports/blogs etc., I find serious concerns with the ticket of both major parties. The McCain/Palin ticket continues to distress me with the serious mistakes they continue to make as part of their campaign. They do seem to be people from good roots and people that I do know much about. The Obama/Biden ticket impresses me with the skill used to run their campaign. Beating the Clinton machine was no simple task. However, it distresses me, very much, that I do not know much about Senator Obama's roots with ACORN and others. I urge both tickets to quit telling me what I know (poor economy, war, etc.). Between now and November 4th, tell me what I do not know. No American should be willing to risk America's future to a ticket for which they do not know all.

Posted by: Dale | October 11, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

ANGRY GOP RALLY SHOUTERS: ARE THEY AGIT-PROP PLANTS FROM 'GANG STALKING' RANKS?

WaPo reporters should spend some time on the periphery of these rallies, in the hours before the scheduled event.

They might discern that some of the most vociferous rabble-rousers hang together in packs, don't quite look like your "average Joe," and appear to be part of an orchestrated "street theater" -- not necessarily a reflection of spontaneous crowd enthusiasm. Examine closely their attire, and the electronics they are carrying.

Could they be the "stormtroopers" in a troubling offensive

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens OR
members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | October 11, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

How did the Chicago political machine beat the Clinton machine? A.C.O.R.N.
I'm sure Hillary would have liked a probe into Obama's finances and caucus voting during the primary. This was not democracy; it was intimidation. Don't be impressed.

Posted by: Dan | October 11, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

ANGRY GOP RALLY SHOUTERS: ARE THEY AGIT-PROP PLANTS FROM 'GANG STALKING' RANKS?

WaPo reporters should spend some time on the periphery of these rallies, in the hours before the scheduled event.

They might discern that some of the most vociferous rabble-rousers hang together in packs, don't quite look like your "average Joe," and appear to be part of an orchestrated "street theater" -- not necessarily a reflection of spontaneous crowd enthusiasm. Examine closely their attire, and the electronics they are carrying.

Could they be the "stormtroopers" in a troubling offensive?

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/american-gestapo-state-supported-terrorism-targets-u-s-citizens OR
members.nowpublic.com/scrivener

Posted by: scrivener | October 11, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Every FACK CHECK around , and there is many of them , all agree........there is NOTHING to this spun up smear. If you thrive on scandal and corruption , just look in McCain/Palin's back yard , you will find a bunch of it , and it is REAL.

Posted by: James | October 11, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Could you or I get a security clearance if we had Obama-like connections to a Bill Ayers?? What Bill Ayers did when Obama was 8 years old is treasonous and terrible, but is NOT the only issue. Another big issue is Bill Ayers' radical education philosophy, which Obama clearly DID know about and agreed with because he served as chairman of the board for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and collaborated closely with Ayers in disbursing the $160 million. Did they use the money to improve student's math and science knowledge or to help raise test scores? No! They used the money to infuse students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. Would the majority of Americans agree that this method is a good way to improve education in our country? Clearly not. Also, several reviews of the CAC noted that it was an abject failure when evaluated for its impact on the performance of students in school. So Obama actually does have executive experience, but he doesn't point that out when criticized for his lack of executive experience because it was such a miserable failure, it had very extremist goals at its heart, and he collaborated closely with a controversial figure like Ayers during these 7 years of his life. And despite having authored two autobiographies, Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. Now that the CAC archives have been released, Obama's only defense is to talk about the fact that it was Annenberg money, hoping to lend the whole fiasco some credibility. When you also consider that web archives confirm Obama was a member of the Socialist "New Party" in 1996 (which had scrubbed Obama's name from their website, but the missing information was found with the help of the non-profit Internet Archive Organization and confirmed Obama's membership) and Obama's close ties to ACORN, could Obama even get a top-secret security clearance? Given Obama's close connections to William Ayers that have come to light, he could probably only get a low level security clearance, if at all, but we're ready to hand him the leadership of the free world.

Posted by: DH | October 11, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow. I'm reading this from Sydney, Australia. Do you people realise how this all looks to the rest of the world?! It used to be funny, but now it's just really quite depressing. If you guys let McCain and that moron run your country, then even I must concede that the anti-American sentiment that has swept the Western world (while you worry about he Islaamic countries that hate you, have you ever stopped to wonder why all the other freedom-loving Western countries hate you too?) is valid. How dumb are you, if you cannot see what McCain is doing? And why do the attrocities that these Republicans commit not worry more of you? Or how about the fact that they've now economically destroyed your country with corporate-driven greed politics?! Seriously, America, wake up. This is just getting scary.

Posted by: Aaron | October 11, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

MY GOVERNMENT IS MY WORST ENEMY. I'M GOING TO FIGHT THEM WITH ANY MEANS AT HAND.

This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.

THE QUOTE IS ACTUALLY FROM JOE VOGLER, the raging ANTI-AMERICAN who founded the ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY, the very same SECESSIONIST PARTY that Palin's husband Todd belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier THIS year.

PALIN SAID TO THE A.I.P.: "Keep up the good work, and God bless you."

SARAH PALIN WANTS OUR FLAG TO HAVE 49 STARS? WTF is WRONG with you Republicans??? Are you just about winning at any cost? You gave us EIGHT YEARS of BUSH and you are back for MORE?

Todd Palin was a member the Alaskan Independence Party working for Alaska to secede from the United States. Todd Palin registered in 1995 until 2002 when he registered as "undeclared" while his wife ran for office. She sleeps with a man who is committed to the idea of destroying the United States.

Sarah Palin and 'first dudes' political alliance with a TERRORIST WHO WAS MURDERED IN 1993 DURING "A PLASTIC EXPLOSIVES SALE GONE BAD." Todd Palin joined the party two years later.

Let me repeat that: A PLASTICS EXPLOSIVE SALE GONE BAD.

"The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government. And I won't be buried under their damn flag," Joe Vogler said in 1991 in a taped interview.

Here is another amazing piece from this Salon article:

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Vogler wasn’t just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 - an impressive figure by Alaska standards - and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.

Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States "tyranny" before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

That’s right - Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.

AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he could reach his U.N. platform. "The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed," by Vogler’s U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark. "And we can’t have that, can we?"

The Republican ticket is working hard this week to make Barack Obama’s tenuous connection to graying, ’60s revolutionary Bill Ayers a major campaign issue. But the Palins’ connection to anti-American extremism is much more central to their political biographies.
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IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THIS, THAT'S FINE. LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF. STOP SUPPORTING THIS EMPTY HEADED LUNATIC CHEERLEADER FROM ALASKA. DO IT FOR YOUR COUNTRY. THIS THREAT IS REAL.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/print.html

PLEASE SPREAD THE WORD. The so-called "liberal media" needs some encouragement.

Posted by: Ask More Questions | October 11, 2008 3:16 AM | Report abuse

From 'fact of the matter'
http;//www.need4trth.blogspot.com

As the independent check on government, the media have the responsibility to present accurate, unbiased news and analysis that will allow Americans to make an informed decision based on the facts, and not on any given administration's talking points.....media matters

'I SHOULDA' TOLD YA' BABY (WHAT COMES AROUND GOES BACK AROUND) I THOUGHT I TOLD YA' BOY.....justin timberlake


John McCain/RNC released two new propaganda ads one of which accuses Senator Barack Obama of knowing Professor William Ayers for years....The ad insinuates Ayers must have taken an interest in Obama but why? I won't even go into detail how sinister and sick this ad is. It was created to imply that a sitting US Senator is a terrorist. It never mentions that Ayers was never convicted of a crime, it never mentions that the weather undergrounds acts took place when Senator Obama was 8 years old, it never mentions that Obama met Ayers When Ayers was.....

William Charles "Bill" Ayers (born 26 December 1944)[1] is an American elementary education theorist and former leading 1960s anti-war activist. He is known for the radical nature of his activism in the 1960s and 1970s as well as his current work in education reform, curriculum, and instruction. In 1969 he cofounded the radical left organization the Weather Underground, which conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings during the 1960s and 1970s. He is now a professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, holding the title of Distinguished Professor.

The ads seek to INSTILL fear an uncertainty in a key constituency of White rural Americans. The ad is designed to invoke anger and racist sentiments through this group. This is how John 'War Hero' McCain seeks, "..to turn the page.."

MCCAINS OWN OCTOBER SURPRISE.......

'Judge not, or YOU'LL be judged...and according to the measure YOU use will judgement be laid upon YOU.." In other words, 'what comes around goes back around', yet for McShame it's with a vengence.

IS JOHN MCCAIN A NEO-NAZI WHITE SUPREMIST????

The differance here is Obama met Ayers when the wheather underground was over and done with for years. McCain for his part was sitting on the US COUNCIL FOR WORLD FREEDOM.....AN INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION LINKED TO NAZI COLLABORATOR'S AND MURDERERS
WHILE A SITTING US SENATOR IN 1982-1986. McCain says he left the group in 1986.

The U.S. Council for World Freedom also aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization's tax exemption.

The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. After setting up the U.S. council, Singlaub served as the international league's chairman.
In two interviews with The Associated Press in August and September, Singlaub said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain launched his political career. McCain was elected to the House in 1982

Posted by: need4trth | October 11, 2008 4:46 AM | Report abuse

I apologize about that

http://www.need4trth.blogspot.com

Posted by: need4trth | October 11, 2008 4:49 AM | Report abuse

First, it is ludicrous to connect the Weathermen with international terrorists today. To suggest that the "domestic terrorist" activities of the Weatherman in any are on par with Osama Bin Laden and the like just makes no sense whatsoever. The bombings that the Weathermen engaged in were illegal and morally wrong no doubt. But, on the whole, you must remember that the Weathermen acted out of conscience -- their brand of "terrorism" was really a means of protest and conscientious objection. The times and issues were completely different.

Second, if the Federal government had had a solid case against Mr. Ayers, they would have retried after the dismissals for prosecutorial misconduct. Mr. Ayers has fessed up; he has worked out whatever offenses he committed with the U.S. ages and ages ago, and since then, he has dedicated himself to teaching and public service. Viet Nam is ancient history. The country split down the middle on that one and many of us see those who followed a path of protest and conscientious objection as those who chose the brave and honorable path. Again, I stress that I do not believe the Weathermen were right to resort to bombings -- that was a moral error. A more Gandhian passive resistance was the more honorable course. But the fact is that the Mr. Ayers and the SDS acted out of conscience and acted because they very deeply cared about this country, about the course it was taking, and because our American brothers and sisters and our Vietnamese brothers and sisters were dying sensely and in napalm in Viet Nam.

As to whether Ayers and Obama are connected, serving on the same board of a foundation which does good work is a very loose connection. And what is more, whatever connection existed or exists (and I honestly believe that whatever connection there is has been greatly distorted and exaggerated by Palin and McCain and the right-wing media), the nexus between them is to administer and serve the public good.

This story as told by McCain and Palin is pure hype and the attack is truly vicious. The whole reason Ayers took the path he did was because McCain and his brothers were being tortured and dying senselessly in a far-off land in an undeclared war against an "enemy" that simply made no sense. And the Viet Nam war has nothing to do with the "war" against terrorism today.

What is more: I commend McCain for his military service and believe he too acted out of conscience. I am impressed that he endured years of torture at the hands of his captors. But here is a question that no one is asking: do you really want someone who spent years being tortured for whatever reason to have their finger on the button? I do not care how strong that makes you or how stable you seem to be -- being tortured for years has to have great emotional consequences and I do not think that someone with this particular set of experiences is really the right person to decide when and if to launch nuclear weapons. I think that people ought to give that questions some very serious thought.

By the way, I don't think Mr. Ayers ought to have his finger on the button either. But Mr. Ayers is not running for President.

Even so, Obama was only eight years at that time.

Posted by: Thomas Boone | October 11, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Actually Palin lied about troopergate. First she said it had nothing to do with her wanting her former brother in law fired and now the committee (made up of republican majority) says it did.

Posted by: SN | October 11, 2008 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Why does the NYT write "...played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers."?

Why not start with these facts: "...the two men do not appear to have been close...."? Or "...Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers."?

To start with "...played down his contact..." seems to be suggesting Obama is lying.

Posted by: 88 | October 11, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse


Factcheck.Org confirms "McCain ranks out some false and misleading attacks on Obama's connection to a 1960s radical."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

Posted by: Tod | October 11, 2008 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Looking for Presidential material in Mr Obama.

Mr. Barack Obama's has opinions on many subjects, but has been in very few positions in government where his ideas have been put to the test.
This gentleman, whom I regard in high esteem, and who has a Moslem father, is an intellectual who does not have the practical experience required to be Commander in chief or CEO of the United States of America.
This person has one qualification, at this particular time in his life, he can talk, and discuss in a charming manner.
Let him continue his Senate role, gain the practical application experience, then in future years, run for the top job in America.
Talking and promising, is all very well, it has it’s place certainly, but the President of the United States has to consider Congress and the Senate, so the golden voice of Senator Barack Obama does not qualify him to move into the White house with disregard for practical experience of which he has not yet attained.
I wish him well in his future endeavors, but advise him to sit out this particular endeavor and await a future date to continue.
Some thought for the Voters….
Has he got what it takes ..it will be too late after he is elected, and you desire to change your mind.
He is a Lawyer…
How many years has he practiced law, that career is now at an end and he is now giving it up.
He appears as a honest person, but he has not been in any position as such to be a proven honest
He obtained some experience in State legislature, but for how long.
He can talk that is true, he is a great communicator, most lawyers are, and he promises much.
But these are just promises, none of which may come to pass.
He appears friendly that also is true, politicians are always friendly till they get elected.
Where is all his political experience, that I do not see. How many years has he had in the Senate.
Where does his experience come from to be knowledgeable about our the economy and our country..
Where does his experience come from to be Commander in Chief of all the Military in USA.
Where on earth has all his campaign money come from, he is not a rich man, he does however know some people who to say the least, have a reputation that is soiled and associated with people of ill repute..
He is a religious man, but the church he attended appears to have been one he should have rejected many years ago, simply because of his minister, but he even got married in that particular church by that minister.
Now he has been involved with the Weather man a group who attacked America, surely we need to discuss this at highest levels.
Mr Obama simply puts it down to dirty politics, maybe but he was associated with those people, so an investigation should be made too late after he is elected. It appears we do not know this man with the Golden voice who promises much, beware he may not be able to deliver.
I am always particularly interested when someone can raise money in the large volume that he has, and it begs an explanation.
Who does he know and what does he feel obligated to do for that amount of funding, from those that supplied the cash.
There is no free lunch , someone is expecting large favors from this gentleman when he becomes president .
It will be interesting to see the outcome in the future.

Posted by: Thoughtfull | October 11, 2008 6:24 AM | Report abuse

McCain is right to want to investigate Obama and his radical, risky relationships.
Facts are facts.
Obama did have meetings with the domestic terrorist.

McCain did not.

Face it.........Obama is risky and yes has had many shady characters in the past.........Rev. Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Farrakhan.

As Americans we should be scared of all of these guys.
Including Obama.

The media is so pro Obama they don't know how to handle reporting this.
Would it be okay if Obama had a party for Osama Bin Laden too?

William Ayers is a TERRORIST.
We need to get to the bottom of this.

Go McCain. He is a true patriot!

Posted by: al from nj | October 11, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

In the Catholic Church, a lie is still a lie. Obama is using "gang slang" on Americans, just a guy from the hood. Oh please, Obama is lying. He is a mafia Chicago politican.

Whether Obama denounced his paster of 20 years or not, I do not believe this either.

I find it hard to believe, all of Obama's parents and grandparents are all dead, because of no health insurance, yet this guy could go to HARVARD on student loans. It seems, Obama's priorities were directed only towards himself.

Wake up America. Higher taxes are coming. And that is no lie.



Posted by: Drillbit | October 11, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

To be honest, being a veteran and loving history, I am scared to death about the possibility of Obama getting the Presidency! If you notice, here...

Quote from Obama...

"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis. And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George."

"He's not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." ON A REGULAR BASIS!!!
So how often do you talk to him?
Not only that, Bill Ayers was let go.
Why? Some knucklehead screwed up the prosecution! So on a technicality, he was let go! A person that did Timothy McVeigh stuff! A technicality! God Help the US!
Oh yeah, this guy is a professor of English! So, here in America, we allow terrorists to teach our children! Hmm, who would of thunk???

Posted by: Leon | October 11, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Obama's age at the time of the bombings is irrelevant.

Did Ayers, as a member of the Weather Underground Organization, bomb the Pentagon & Capitol, as well as other targets? Yes. Were lives lost? Yes. Has Ayers repented at any time? No.

Was Obama's political coming out party at Ayers home? Yes. Did Obama & Ayers serve on several boards together? Yes.

The W.U.O. operated covertly, and were associated w/ the Black Panthers. They, and Ayers, committed terrorist acts. Period.

Posted by: DD | October 11, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Thoughtful, et al: You say that Barack Obama should wait to try for the presidency, that he lacks experience, and at the same time, you cast aspersions regarding his association with a one-time member of the Weathermen who was involved in nefarious activities when the Senator from Illinois was eight years old. This, along with the other slanders I've seen on this blog and heard and seen in the popular media, smack of one thing: simple racism. The guy's a black man, and he's closer to the presidency than any other black man has ever gotten in the history of this country. He's going to be resisted for this, lies and aspersions will be cast like stones, and those who cannot accept the idea of someone whose skin isn't white running for public office will be angry and outspoken in their resistance. But I am going to vote for this man. He inspires me and motivates me as an American to do my best and be my best.
As for where his campaign funds come from, I've known for over a year that his online funding campaign is a resounding success and that small contributions make up a majority of his campaign money. Sure, big contributors jump on board when they see someone who's winning. That's true of anyone who's ever run for office in this country. It would be true if McCain/Palin were winning. The real problem that most people who hate Obama have with Obama is that they don't like the color of his skin. In the past, these people could be open about their racism, but they can't anymore, because they know it's wrong, so they hide it, and find justifications for it, but those of us who know better are not fooled.

Posted by: Glen G. | October 11, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

The Impulsively Unreflective Duo In..."McCain Goes Negative!"

In our last episode, we saw the indomitable, impulsive duo suspend the campaign to take on the Crisis on Wall Street! Now, watch, as, in our next episode...McCain Goes Negative!

McCain paces the floor in the Fortress of Irritability. He is cracking walnuts.

A walnut slips to the floor.

McCain: Damn nutcracker!

Sarah Palin is sitting in a chair at a desk. She is writing on a piece of paper: "J.M + S.P." This is then crossed out and replaced by "S.P. + J.M.". These alternating versions , the one before it always crossed out, continues down the page.

McCain: Well, the first plan didn't work. We tried to put them in a trance with the folksy ray, but they had their deflectors halfway raised. If only you hadn't called the commander in Afghanistan "McClellan"

Palin: But...didn't you say they were fighting a civil war, Sir?

McCain looks at Palin silently. He is smiling but he is holding back anger.

McCain: I think the time has come. We have to call in...Dr. Negative.

He pushes a large black button, which is the only button, on a red phone on his desk.

Dr. Negative immediately bursts through the door. He is carrying flyers, masking tape; telephone wires are wrapped around his arms hanging in every way; a tattered copy of the book "Accusations of Fascism, Communism, Terrorism, Drug Use, Pedophilia, Islamism, Adultery, Pandeism, Cannibalism, Cubism, Miscegenation, and Spousal Abuse...for Dummies!" is rolled and stuffed in his left pocket, filled with bookmarks; he is dragging a Robocaller behind him, leashed to a chain.

Dr. Negative (quickly, eagerly): Did you hear? Obama was born in Bin Laden's subterranean bomb making factory, outside of U.S. lines. He was born on a pile of cocaine and dynamite--and the midwife was a Trotskyite!

McCain: Not yet, Dr. Negative. I want you to meet Sarah.

Sarah: Oh, we've already met.

Dr. Negative: That trooper went down! He poisoned the salmon milk at the Wasilla Bible school! With drugs made at a Leftist Satan worshiping collective! That you could see from Russia!

Sarah: You betcha'!

Sarah and Dr. Negative give each other a high five. Dr. Negative's telephone wires rattle on his arm as he does so, triggering the Robocaller, which starts playing "...illegitimate babies made in test tube factories in North Korea and sent to Chicago by Bill Ayers..."

Dr. Negative shuts off the Robocaller with an embarassed smile.

Dr. Negative: Just practicing.

There is a pause.

McCain: That's fine, Dr. Negative. That's fine. Because, now, I have a special job for you. An important one.

Dr. Negative leaps into the air with excited glee. As he does, detritus falls to the floor--buttons reading "Election Day: Remember, the 3rd Tuesday in November!", business cards, reading "Push Polls Anonymous--We Call, They Fall", "Mongers On Call-No Rumor Too Far fetched"; Bandaids with purple hearts; mangled and dirty chads.

Dr. Negative: A new job! A special job! Oh, Mr. McCain! I'm ready! I'm ready!

Sarah watches from her chair, filing her nails.

McCain: Now, Dr. Negative. You have to make him seem radical...

Dr. Negative quickly pulls a can out of his right pocket, emblazoned with the word "Radical" He opens the top. Red and Black snakes fly out.

Dr. Negative: (eagerly, expectantly, hungrily) Yes...Yes...

McCain: You'll have to start rumors that are so inflammatory that they will spread like wildfire, and that will be started too late to stop them with the actual truth...

Dr. Negative pulls a gigantic grinder out of his left pocket. It is labeled "Rumor Mill". He turns the crank a few times. Hamsters, syringes, and Peace symbols fly out.

Dr. Negative: Yes...Yes...

He is salivating.

McCain: They will have to be so incredible, so over-the-top, based on such tawdry and poorly sourced evidence, yet riddled with tempting minutia--bullet gauges, Google maps of supposed meetings and the like, that the right will eat them up, and start analyzing the minutia with adolescent glee.

Dr. Negative (Very calmly, matter of fact): Oh, that's easy. They'll eat anything.

Dr. Negative reaches into his back pocket, pulls out a manila envelope labeled "Minutia: So-called "Proof" for the Right". He empties it to the floor. Bullet gauge measures, outdated copies of Photoshop, paperbacks entitled "How to Use the Insane as Competent Witnesses", "The Faked Moon Landings! Roswell! And Other Believable Phenomena!" and "You TOO Can Be A Warrior--From Your Own Couch!" fall to the floor.

Sarah plucks out the "Faked Moon Landings" book. She starts reading.

McCain: We know how our girl loves to read.

Sarah stops, and begins fixing her hair in a hand mirror.

Now, Dr. Negative, there is one final task.

Dr. Negative: Yes, Mr. McCain?

McCain: It is very difficult. Very...dark.

Dr. Negative: (Leaning forward expectantly, his voice quivering with excitement): Yes, Mr. McCain, Yes?

McCain: You will have to play the card that they played against me. Do you understand?

The room becomes silent. Sarah stops looking at herself, and looks towards the center of the room where McCain and Dr. Negative are staring at each other.

Dr. Negative: You mean...(eyes widened with disbelief. His telephone wires are quietly shaking as he shivers).

McCain (nodding): Yes.

Dr. Negative slowly removes from his jacket pocket what seems to be an ordinary pack of playing cards. They are labeled "Joker" brand. He takes a penknife from his pocket, and slowly slices the covering cellophane. There is a slight and distant roar. He looks at McCain.

McCain nods.

Dr. Negative then slowly removes the red ribbon encircling the cellophane at the top of the pack. He inserts the penknife--holding it from it very farthest end--and flips open the top of the pack.

Smoke begins to pour from the top of the pack, thick, acrid smoke. It quickly fills the room, covering all that is in sight.

McCain (shouting amidst the sound of smoke rushing into the room): And remember--no fingerprints!

Next episode: The smoke is cleared.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/impulsively-unreflective-duo-inmccain.html

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

What if:

On April 19th 1995 Timothy McVeigh parked a truck in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Minutes later a blast rocked the building killing 168 people and injuring another 450. Shortly after the bombing McVeigh was arrested on an unrelated charge and was later identified as the Oklahoma bomber. The evidence against McVeigh was overwhelming and in fact he confessed to the crime and seemed to be proud of his heinous act. Unfortunately, during his trial prosecutorial misconduct was revealed and all charges were dropped. McVeigh walked out of jail where he was being held and proudly proclaimed to the press on hand “I’m guilty as hell and free as a bird.” McVeigh became a media celebrity and turned his attention to the speaking circuit where he justified his actions by claiming that he committed his act of terrorism as a political statement. In his first memoir he wrote “It was the government that truly caused the bombings in Oklahoma City since what I did was in direct retaliation for the abuses at Ruby Ridge and Waco.” Since 1995 McVeigh has been popular on the college lecture circuit. He continues to proudly promote his radical political ideology and encourages those in his audience to become radicals as well. McVeigh eventually moved to Alaska and turned his energies toward mainstream politics. In Wasilla Alaska he hosted a gathering for one of his neighbors who was considering running for Mayor of the small Alaskan city. Sarah Palin and Timothy McVeigh had a comfortable relationship and with McVeigh’s local political connections, Palin was soon the Mayor of Wasilla. Sarah Palin became a rising star of the Republican Party when she defeated the incumbent Republican Governor in the primary and then went on to become the new Governor of Alaska. In 2008 Palin was chosen by Republican presidential nominee John McCain to be his running mate. The Democrat ticket lead by Barak Obama decried the relationship between Palin and the “terrorist” McVeigh. The media however paid little attention to this matter. In some cases the media even discounted or outright denied the relationship between Palin and McVeigh. Obama’s claims were written off as dirty campaign smear tactics. Palin claimed to have barely known McVeigh. Palin’s supporters wrote that it was sexist to even bring up her supposed “friendship” with McVeigh. The media defended Palin citing that she did not know McVeigh at the time of the Oklahoma bombings. Palin herself defended her association with McVeigh as limited and “besides I was not even aware that McVeigh was unrepentant of his acts. I do however abhor what he allegedly did but keep in mind also that this was more than 15 years ago.” McCain and Palin were not negatively effected in the polls by this “scandal” and went on the win the election. Some would later say that if the media had truly investigated and reported the ties between Palin and McVeigh the election results would have been very different.

Posted by: Mike L | October 11, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama keeps reaching back to Chicago political past for policy advisers, and pulling one despicable, vile, and even evil “rabbit” after another out of his hat.
The list of Barack Obama’s radical associations is long and it keeps getting longer. Some are now well-known, but many are not. They need to be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HZMD97nMw

(Bloomberg) -- Nigerian Stock Exchange Chief Executive Officer Ndi Okereke-Onyiuke is being investigated after holding a fund-raising event linked to U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama, Agence France-Presse reported.
U.S. electoral laws forbid donations from foreigners to electoral campaigns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0cq4Nytu8

23 years at TUCC with Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks. racist sermons on Youtube.
He chose the most radical church in the country; chose to immerse himself in hard-core ideological radicalism. Never before has this country considered such a radical leftist for its chief executive.

Michael Pfleger and his hateful and race-hating ramblings, Obama met while carrying out his own radical social activism as community organizer at ACORN, (radical organization)

Penny Pritzker, heads Obama camp National Finance Committee was president of Superior Bank - massively failed and she literally bought her way out of jail paying $460 MILLION fine; was the very epicenter of subprime loan scandal” that would come to eat this nation’s financial system alive.

Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, former head of Obama’s vice presidential selection committee, discovered he benefited from sweetheart loans from subprime king Countrywide.

Tony Rezko certainly and his federal indictments and financial dealing with Obamas of course and William Ayers, US terrorist bomber, Obama-co-lecturer, fellow board member, neighbor, and friend.

Communist Frank Marshall Davis, obama mentor; Saul Alinsky and Gerald Kellman (Kellman’s Woods Fund is how Obama hooked up with terrorist William Ayers)

Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, appointed as Obama camp national coord for Muslim n affairs also stepped down after news about his stint on the fund’s board - which includes fundamentalist imam - prompting The Wall Street Journal inquiries about relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood and his long personal relationship with Hamas Jamal Said.

Obama desperately needs voters to forget hes the son of a Muslim father who served an incredibly brutal and corrupt Kenyan government; to forget he attended a madrassa in Indonesia and practiced Islam; forget that he campaigned in Kenya on behalf of Raila Odinga, who relied upon chaos, corruption, and violence in his campaign; numerous associations with radical Muslims; forget the photographs of Obama in traditional Muslim clothes, hanging with Muslim radicals such as Mazen Asbahi and anti-Semite Rashid Khalidi.

The mainstream media has frankly put the security of our great country at risk with an Obama coronation media like CNN & MSNBC is the only way Obama managed to steal the Dem nom. It’s extremely concerning that so many Americans could care less about who their candidate really is?? simply amazing and frankly scarey.

PLEASE WATCH AND SHARE WITH EVERYONE ASAP

"The Last 100 Days"
Hon. James David Manning, PhD.

www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr07-28-08.html

www.dontvoteobama.net

http://savagepolitics.com/?p=1345

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

What OBAMA LIE? No way, I believe him. After all, he states he is not a Racist, not Muslim, did not know Rev Wrights racist and radical views, and never had long term associations with racists, radicals or criminal activity. Just ask him!

These are “Fact Checker” proven quotes from Obama:

IS OBAMA RACIST?

"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of12 or 13, when i began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites"

"I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE".

"The emotion between the races could never be pure.....THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART"

"never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER'S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I'D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.

"THAT HATE HADN'T GONE AWAY," he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

"There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, TO SHOW YOUR LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT, and name names"

"I had grown accustomed, everywhere, to SUSPICIONS BETWEEN THE RACES.."

IS OBAMA MUSLIM?

"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy .. He converted to Islam."

"In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school""I studied the Koran."

"Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ...."I looked to Lolo for guidance".

"I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS SHOULD THE POLITICAL WINDS SHIFT IN AN UGLY DIRECTION."

"We are no longer just a Christian nation," "We are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."

DID OBAMA KNW WRIGHT”S VIEWS?

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama told the Chicago Tribune in January 2007.

Obama said he came to Christianity through Wright and was a member of his church for 20 years.

Wright presided at Obama's marriage to his wife, Michelle.

Obama took the title of his 2006 book, "The Audacity of Hope," from a Wright sermon.

Trinity United Church of Christ: We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.

Trinity Church of Christ: “THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM”
1. Commitment to God, 2. Commitment to the Black Community, 3 Commitment to the Black Family, 4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education (Black), 5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence, 6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic, 7, 8. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect, 9. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness

I can go on forever. If Obama says Ayers is “just another guy from the same neighborhood” and he ONLY launched his political career in his house, sat on boards and commissions with him for years, and other associations, I believe him.

And Michele Obama’s Black militant past should have no bearing either. After all they got married because they shared the same views. Her thesis is full of paranoid claims and overtly racist feelings. She identifies with black militancy, utterly obsessed with race in America and her own blackness. “There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost. “

So there you have it, Obama is not a liar. This is an important election so please make sure we get a Racist, Muslim, Radical Black Movement President with ties to terrorists and criminals who has the full support of his wife, the First Lady. This just may make her happy to be an American for the second time in her life. Vote Barrack Hussein Obama, it’s time for change.

Posted by: TRUTH20 | October 11, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

I don't see Obama running ads showing McCain accepting money from CONVICTED FELON WATERGATE BURGLER G.GORDON LIDDY.

He's received $1000 this year, $5000 total and had this to say about Liddy (one of the most despicable people to be associated with the Whitehouse ever!!!) Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

OH, I guess burglary, conspiracy, illegal wiretapping are great philosophies according to McCain.

Here's the wiki for people too young to remember the dirtball scumbag G. Gordon Liddy.

At CRP, Liddy concocted several plots, some far-fetched, intended to embarrass the Democratic opposition. These included firebombing the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. (where classified documents leaked by Daniel Ellsberg were being stored), kidnapping anti-war protest organizers and transporting them to Mexico during the Republican National Convention (which at the time was planned for San Diego), and luring mid-level Democratic campaign officials to a house boat in Baltimore where they would be secretly photographed in compromising positions with call girls. Most of Liddy's ideas were rejected, but a few were given the go ahead by Nixon Administration officials, including the break-in at Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office. Ellsberg had leaked the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times.

Watergate burglaries

For his role in Watergate, which he coordinated with Hunt, Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping, and received a 20-year sentence. He served a total of five and half years in prison, including over 100 days in solitary confinement

Posted by: Debra Silverberg | October 11, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Let's look at this analogy, Ayers, a domestic terrorist, HMMMM, Timothy McVeigh a domestic terrorist

How come Ayers is still walking around, and friends with the democrat presidential candidate?

Posted by: Maria | October 11, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama speaks the truth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4

Posted by: Becky | October 11, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

American VOTERS are mad as HELL at MSM Obama cronies! Like CNN & MSNBC! And is causing outrage against Obama. MSM is no longer helping Obama, because they are openly in the bag for Obama, voters are taking that extreme anger out on Obama, the risk you take. MSM, CNN have jeopardized the security of the American people by deliberating continuing to openly hide serious facts and associations of Obama. HOW DARE YOU jeopardize our great but troubled country? Yes Voters are getting extremely more and more angry at Obama, he continues to lie and refuses to answer questions that EVERY person running for leader of the free world has answered. Obama keeps reaching back to Chicago political past for policy advisers, and pulling one despicable, vile, and even evil “rabbit” after another out of his hat. And CNN, MSNBC refuse to educate the public. The list of Barack Obama’s radical associations is long and it keeps getting longer. Some are now well-known, but many are not.

VOTERS-STAND UP FOR YOUR COUNTRY, DO NOT LET A TABLIOD CABLE NEWS LIKE CNN and MSNBC decide OUR President!

DEMAND OBAMA ADDRESS THESE SERIOUS RADICAL TERRORIST CONNECTIONS! TODAY!

(Bloomberg) -- Nigerian Stock Exchange Chief Exec Ofc Ndi Okereke-Onyiuke being investigated holding a fund-raising event for U.S. presidential candidate Obama, Agence France-Press reported U.S. electoral laws forbid donations from foreigners to electoral campaigns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ0cq4Nytu8

(World News)
23 years at TUCC with Jeremiah Wright and James Meeks. Racist sermons on Youtube.
He chose the most radical church in the country; Obama chooses to immerse himself and his daughters in hard-core ideological radicalism. Never before has this country considered such a radical leftist for its chief executive.

Michael Pfleger and his hateful and race-hating ramblings, Obama met while carrying out his own radical social activism as community organizer at ACORN, (radical organization) now under Federal investigation for Voter fraud in helping Obama. No one believed he won the caucuses, now we know why. WASHINGTON: RNC filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) against the Obama for an America campaign acceptance of foreign national and excessive contributions. The Obama campaign has failed to comply with federal campaign finance law in its fundraising.


Penny Pritzker, heads Obama National Finance Committee was president of Superior Bank - massively failed, she literally bought her way out of jail paying $460 MILLION fine; was the very epicenter of subprime loan scandal” that has come to eat this nation’s financial system alive.

Fannie Mae CEO Jim Johnson, Obama camp advisor and headed Obamas vice presidential selection committee, discovered he benefited from sweetheart loans from subprime king Countrywide and was fired.

Tony Rezko certainly and his federal indictments and financial dealing with Obamas of course and William Ayers, US terrorist bomber, Obama-co-lecturer, fellow board member, neighbor, and friend.

Terrorist William Ayers
Communist Frank Marshall Davis, obama mentor; Saul Alinsky and Gerald Kellman (Kellman’s Woods Fund is how Obama hooked up and began his long relationship with Ayers.

Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, Obama camp national coord for Muslim affairs also stepped down after news about his stint on the fund’s board - which includes fundamentalist imam - prompting The Wall Street Journal inquiries about relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood and his long personal relationship with Hamas Jamal.

Obama desperately needs voters to forget hes the son of a Muslim father who served an incredibly brutal and corrupt Kenyan government; to forget he attended a madrassa in Indonesia and practiced Islam; forget that he campaigned in Kenya on behalf of Raila Odinga, who relied upon chaos, corruption, and violence in his campaign; numerous associations with radical Muslims; forget the photographs of Obama in traditional Muslim clothes, hanging with Muslim radicals such as Mazen Asbahi and anti-Semite Rashid Khalidi.

The mainstream media has frankly put the security of our great country at risk with an Obama coronation media like CNN & MSNBC is the only way Obama managed to steal the Dem nom. It’s extremely concerning that so many Americans could care less about who their candidate really is?? Simply amazing and frankly scary.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Facts:
* Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11
* Greenspan's words: Iraq war is about oil.
* No WMD were ever found in Iraq.

Republicans who supported Bush's invasion and attack on an innocent (of accusation) country, that brought havoc and destruction to it (about a million dead, including children, women, oldies) are guilty of genocide and of terrorism on innocent civilians.
Why don't we talk more about this? Many reasons: Many go to church on Sunday morning to perhaps cry warms tears, but during the rest of the week are flooded by hate and controlled by rage, unable to see any fault in their own actions. "Christian" freaks abound in our land. Through their blood-red eyes they see fault in Obama, but no fault of their own.
If you supported and support the invasion of another country to steal/control/whatever their natural resources, it may serve you well to shut up and think a little.

Posted by: Tony | October 11, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"Small-scale bombings???" What an oxymoron. So we should consider this terrorist Ayers to be a "small-scale terrorist?" The fact that this man plotted to kill and did kill people puts him on the same level as the hijackers that flew the planes on 9/11. And he thinks he should have done more. The media is so in the tank it is sickening, and writing things like this is more evidence that they have drank the Obama koolaid.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

A whole bunch of us were dissatisfied with our government in the 60's. We had a lot of teach ins and massive prostest marches against the war in Viet Nam and racial discrimination. Bill Ayers was part of that like a lot of others. Some aspects of that movement were frustrated with the failure of the government to respond to the apparent will of the people.
Ayers like many others has changed and worked on community boards and as teachers to try and improve things in his community.
If Ayers is to continue to be accountable for his membership and actions in the 60's then we ought to be reviewing McCain's behavior as a resident of Hanoi at that time. What did he do or say in the 60's.
Should we take him to account for that.
NO! And we can let Ayers off the hook also.
Obama would be better off saying people have not looked at Bill Ayer's body of work in the community in the past twenty years and that is a shame.

Posted by: timbyrnes | October 11, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

An obscure, nearly elderly man in Chicago named Ayers whom Senator Obama has barely met is a NON-ISSUE.
The radical Republicans trying, yet again, to swift-boat and assasinate the character of an excellent Democratic candidatewith lies, distortions and emotion, IS an issue.
The Republicans are absolutely DESPERATE to retain power, no matter what the cost, no matter what the consequences, no matter how they can do it. Sad, very very sad...

Posted by: Ron Sampson | October 11, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? Small scale bombings? They KILLED people. They targeted others for DEATH. And he's totally unrepentant for it. Perhaps if it had been one of your loved ones, you wouldn't be so generous with your excuses. And an education expert? This is an organization that ignores traditional subjects in favor of anarchist behavior. And after all of the money Obama funneled to him, there was never any positive educational progress. Great article the other day about how "fact checking" has become an excuse for journalistic opinion. This would be a prime example.

Posted by: BJLeone | October 11, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I understand deperate republicans are clinging to the Ayers issue for dear life, but, other than that self serving obsession, why should the rest of us care? It's a complete non-issue.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

It’s amazing that McCain would accuse anyone of being unpatriotic after violating the military code of conduct. This is not the act of a war hero. That is why I’ll be voting for Obama.

Posted by: ernie nazario | October 11, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

REALISTIC POTENTIAL OBAMA CABINET APPOINTEES

Secretary of Agriculture – John (the Liar) Edwards

Secretary of Interior – Chris (Mr. Countrywide) Dodd

Secretary of Commerce – Louis (the racist) Farrakhan

Secretary of Justice – Al (defend the indefensible) Sharpton

Secretary of Defense – John (raise the white flag) Murtha

Secretary of Labor – Jesse (Shakedown) Jackson

Secretary of Education – William (the unrepentant) Ayres

Secretary of State – Jimmy (the senile imbecile) Carter

Secretary of Energy – Al (the Internet inventor) Gore

Secretary of Transportation – Charles (Schmucky) Schumer

Secretary of Treasury – Franklin (took $90 million from Fannie Mae) Raines

Sec. of Homeland Security – Howard (“One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest”) Dean

Secretary of Housing and Urban Development – Barney (Fannie Mae) Frank

Office of National Drug Policy – Frank (American Gangster) Lucas

Environmental Protection Agency – William ($90K in the freezer) Jefferson

Vice President – Joe (foot in the mouth) Biden

If this is what you want, VOTE OBAMA!!

Posted by: jackm70 | October 11, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

We all cling to the "facts" that support our positions. So here are some facts. FACT - Ayers was a terrorist. FACT - Obama has, knowing Ayers background, served with him on the board of a non-profit education foundation. FACT - that foundation included on its board a former NIXON administration official who has donated $1500 to McCain's campaign. FACT - the foundation was initially funded by a $49 million grant from a prominent REPUBLICAN, whose wife is a contributor to the McCain campaign ... should McCain return that money? FACT - McCain and Palin have both been cited for unethical conduct.

OPINION - in the grand scheme this stuff doesn't matter. McCain and Obama are both good, smart well-intentioned guys who disagree on stuff. Who do you think can unite this country and lead it out of this economic and foreign policy mess? That's what matters. Vote for that person.

Posted by: MGoodman | October 11, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

As a former 30 year Washingtonian who now lives outside the liberal Washington bubble, I am delighted to see most of the comments targeted at the Washington Post's biased slant toward Obama and their whitewashing (no pun intended) of Obama's poor, poor judgment in his association with Ayers. Even IF Obama THOUGHT Ayers was REFORMED, shouldn't the 2001 front page articles after 911 (in every major liberal paper in the country) featuring Ayers and his anti-American comments and obvious DEEP hatred for the country have been a RED FLAG!!! Obama is nothing more than an avaricious fool who is being played by the Democrat party. He's in way over his head. Unfortunately, if he wins, we will all suffer from his poor judgment and lack of experience.

Posted by: Cinderella | October 11, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

AMERICAN GOVERNMENT HAS A GOOD RELATIONSHIP IN THE COLD WAR TIME(RUSSIA) WITH OSAMA BEN LADIN,THINGS GOING BAD BETWEEN THEM...
PRESIDENT MCBUSH MAKING BUSINESS WITH HIS FAMILY,I MEAN OILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

Posted by: HAITI | October 11, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

MGoodman:

The economy is not the only issue, but I would trust McCain with advisors like Whitman and Romney over Obama.

Thomas Boone:

However misguided they were, bin Laden and those 19 terrorists acted out of "conscience" too.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Jake D........... The D must stand for diatribe. I've read many post comments where your foolish and non-factual remarks are made. Get a life.

Posted by: bob | October 11, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

To all the paid neocon trolls on the blog. You are young, probably ignorant, ie. play computer games without absorbing anything outside of Fox News, Limbaugh, etc. You like the money and what the hell, might as well get paid for spreading a few lies. But think of who your associates are - the fascists of the Republican Party. As some of you get older and perhaps more educated and start expanding your resumes, I hope you put down your nefarious associations with fascists, liars and traitors, or we will dig up the dirt from this time in your life and twist it to the point of ruining the rest of your life, your aspirations and whatever good you may be capable of. Just a satire on the stupidity and level of ignorance of the neocon comments on this board.

Posted by: Sandra S | October 11, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Cinderella:

Good points. I mean, how prophetic Ayers being covered ON 9/11/01? From at least that day forward, Obama knew he had to down play that relationship. I also wonder what could have been uncovered in a complete investigation into the Chandra Levy murder but for 9/11.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

The MSM has a peculiar behavior. When someone is struggling in a campaign, they are the biggest supporter, dissing the opponent unmercifully, such as in the Democratic primary when "anything goes" against Hillary was their guidepost. They were so supportive of Obama, it was ridiculous.
Now, I have noticed, that he is up in the polls, they are pointing out all sorts of stuff and asking questions and pointing out negatives while excusing McCain et al and simply reporting on his terrorist campaign.
Is it because the MSM wants to be part of the news instead of just report the news? Is it for ratings?

Anerson Cooper should have elaborated on his statement that there is more to the relationship between Ayers and Obama. That is not reporting or investigative journalism. That is rumor mongering. To what end? To feed the flames to keep a "story" going?

They helped to create the candidate Obama; now, they want to help to destroy him?

Who IS the MSM?

Posted by: TJ | October 11, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

It would truly be a terrible moment in our nation's history if McCain and Palin were to be elected on their platform of hate and lies. There was a time I had some respect for McCain. But he has completely lost my respect. In fact I must have been mistaken all along to think that he had any honor. If he becomes president I will still have no respect for him. But even worse if he becomes president it will show the world that the days of an inspiring America are over. If he becomes president the world will see that America is ruled by hate, fear and bigotry and that every other country had better be afraid because a hate filled, angry old man and his ill-informed religious fundamentalist vp are in charge and they are erratic and filled with negativity. In fact negativity is their platform.

Posted by: Jim Dandy | October 11, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Rich GOP REPUBLICAN wall street SPECULATORS
Make the rules,(NEWS,WAR,PEACE,FAMINE,UPHEAVALE.)Greed is treason against the AMERICAN people,no more GOLDEN parachutes for EXECUTIVE CRIMINALS.
The sentences sum_up what the party GOP REPUBLCAN stands for,and tey are:

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: NETHERLNADS ANTILLES | October 11, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE GET AN EDUCATION!
I hope all the money Ayers and Obama raised for furthuring education can trickle across the nation.
It may be better to research before you spew your "emotions". You see, There is a majority Democratic House and Senate, so to even think the Republicans caused all this mess (economy, war, WMD, etc, etc) think again. And by the way, the United Nations voted 100%, I repeat 100% to invade Iraq. That means every country agreed.
I see many "blame" Republicans for the war, etc, and I see how blindly you grossly attack them. Ever think there were Democrats who had to vote pro too. It was just 4 years ago that Joey Biden endorsed McCain and he recommended Kerry pick McCain for his VP. "McCain is the ONLY one who can cross party lines". WHOA!
You see, it does matter about Ayers and other "Closet Issues" Obama has. It symbolizes what he is.
Speaking of symbolisms, (FACT)the Dem Party chose the Donkey as there symbol after a Thomas Nast Cartoon in 1874. Here are some definitions of Donkey (from the dictionary):
1. The domesticated ass (Equus asinus)
2. Domestic beast of burden descended from the African wild ass; patient but stubborn
3. a person who is considered to be stupid or
4. a stupid person "Don't be such a donkey"
Just like our founding fathers, Nast was a man ahead of his time.

Posted by: TRUTH20 | October 11, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Up until a few weeks McCain had my vote. The way he is lying about Obama made me loose all respect for McCain.
Did you see the way the audience is at the McCain/ Palin rallies?
I'll be voting for a third party candidate.

Posted by: TB | October 11, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Please ignore all Pro-Mccain comments here. These commenters have been promised "McCain Points" for posting, thus must be considered paid ads or statements by surrogates, not simply website readers or average citizens. Flunkies would be more accurate. Yes. "Flunkies." I like that one.

Posted by: G. Ferraro | October 11, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

DEVIL EAT INNOCENTS,DEVIL DON'T SCARE AN OTHER DEVIL,DEVIL NEVER LIKE AN OTHER DEVIL.

AMERICAN PEOPLE kll so much INDIAN (NATIVES,) and AFRICAN AMERICAN BEFORE they became a NATION,and now they are TALKING ABOUT TERRORIST.
WE ALL HAVE BLOOD IN OUR HANDS, GENERATION AND OTHER GENERATION MUST PAY THE EVIL THINGS WE DID; JESUS SAID THAT IN THE BIBLE...

WHAT A SHAME FOR THAT GREAT NATION TALKING lies about BARACK OBAMA because he almost get it HUM HUM HUM!!!

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | October 11, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

For the past 2 days I've been running text analysis of "Dreams From my Father" and "Fugitive Days." They were absolutely written by the same person, either by an unknown ghostwriter or by Ayers himself.

Obama and Ayers were - and are - much closer than "a guy in my neighborhood."

Posted by: Richard R | October 10, 2008 5:10 PM

The author of this post has no respect for the truth or his readers. If he has the expertise to make such a statement he should state the basis for his remarks and who he is.

Posted by: Ron M | October 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

HAHAHA!!! NOW IT'S FASTER THAN EVER, INTERNET, SATELITE, WHATEVER IT'S THE NEWS IS FASTER REMEMBER THAT.
THE WORLD IS WHATCHING,THE WORLD IS SEEING THE WORLD IS LISTENING....
STOP LYING ABOUT BARACK OBAMA. BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALONE


I'M FROM THE NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | October 11, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't blame MaCain for this. Try to remember who brought this Ayer and Wright issues in the first place? It wasn't McCain's people. It was Clinton's campaign who brought this up and it was NY Times who brought this up again. McCain team is just doing follow up. How did he beat Clinton is a question too. Did Acorn cheat the votes?

Posted by: dave | October 11, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

TO TRUTH20
DO YOU THINK YOU ARE MORE CLEVER THAN A DONKEY,I DON'T THINK SO,BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHY THE DONKEY NEVER DO NOTHING TO HURT OTHER FEELINGS;IT HAS AN UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.
AND YOU?

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | October 11, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Documents re: the Ayers-Obama relationship were released just 2 weeks ago too.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

NETHERLANDS:

Thank God you can't vote for President in our country.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Why has the U. of Illinois gotten away (for 2 decades) with hiring a ”terrorist“? Worse still, one who teaches Education to future American teachears? Why haven't all his contacts at the U. been investigated yet? Doesn't he interact with a bunch of people there daily, not to mention all his students?

Yeah, waste your time on this one, the Economy & [rationed] Health Care can wait, wait, wait...

Posted by: Bemused | October 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

MY GOVERNMENT IS MY WORST ENEMY. I'M GOING TO FIGHT THEM WITH ANY MEANS AT HAND.

THE QUOTE IS FROM JOE VOGLER, the raging ANTI-AMERICAN who founded the ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY, the very same SECESSIONIST PARTY that Palin's husband Todd belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier THIS year.

Posted by: Joe Vogler is No Rev Wright | October 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Bemused:

None of those other people are running for President, having their political careers launched in the Ayers home.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Vogler is dead.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Ayers has only changed tactics. Rather than planting bombs, he is planting radicals, using the U.S. American Education system and our tax dollars (through ACORN). And he has also planted a candidate for U.S. President -- Obama.

Ayers has not given up in his mission to destroy America.

Posted by: Antonio Sosa | October 11, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The fellow with the 'text analysis' is actually the same woman who thinks Sen. Obama is an Arab! After careful research, I'm quite sure. :-)

Posted by: margaret | October 11, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Whao,

I see why Christians (who go to church so often) continue to dislike McCain. It is a shame that some christians still want to hide their real intentions and hide behind Ayers so as not to vote for Obama.

Where has the word rehabilitation go? Why does that word even exist? Some of you were not there during the Vietnam war and the sentiment that was around. Ayers failed earlier in his life. But he has been rehabilitated. As Christians we are taught to forgive AND TURN AWAY FROM OUR WRONG WAYS. Ayers has turned away and he is now a College Professor. He was the man of the year in Chicago in 97 (?). Please read about Ayers and his family. Google it. Once bad does not mean always bad. Please give Ayers a chance. Obama is a great and good guy. People are just hiding being racism and riches and trying to drive division in a great country. But it will not work. The American people are smart except those who want to stay dumb by believing lies and driving lies.

For all the ignorant Christians out there, when you go to bed tonight, read your bible or dream about it and examine your mind.

Posted by: Mimi | October 11, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Whao,

I see why Christians (who go to church so often) continue to dislike McCain. It is a shame that some Christians still want to hide their real intentions and hide behind Ayers so as not to vote for Obama.

Where has the word rehabilitation go? Why does that word even exist? Some of you were not there during the Vietnam war and the sentiment that was around. Ayers failed earlier in his life. But he has been rehabilitated. As Christians we are taught to forgive AND TURN AWAY FROM OUR WRONG WAYS. Ayers has turned away and he is now a College Professor. He was the man of the year in Chicago in 97 (?). Please read about Ayers and his family. Google it. Once bad does not mean always bad. Please give Ayers a chance. Obama is a great and good guy. People are just hiding being racism and riches and trying to drive division in a great country. But it will not work. The American people are smart except those who want to stay dumb by believing lies and driving lies.

For all the ignorant Christians out there, when you go to bed tonight, read your bible or dream about it and examine your mind.

Posted by: Mimi | October 11, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Antonio: Here's the thing...the absence of evidence about something doesn't prove its existence. Not about WMD, not about Ayers, not about anything. When you can't win an argument with reason, you use rumor and lies...

Posted by: margaret | October 11, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I know for a fact that your fact checker is dead wrong about Ayers and Obama. Use your power of investigating reporting to show the real truth. Ayers son is dating a friend of ours daughter. Ayers and his wife had dinner with our friends. Ayers told our friends that if their two children get married that Obama would definately be at the wedding. Does that sound like they aren't friends? Do some digging and tell the truth.

Posted by: Vicki | October 11, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Mimi:

I believe the Biblical word for "turned away" is REPENT.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Vicki:

Thank you. The "Fact" Checker is useless. We know that Ayers wife worked at the same law firm as Barack and Michelle Obama. That wasn't even considered by Dobbs.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

We know that Palin lied about abusing her power. Why hasn't Palin give a press conference about the findings in this report. Why does Palin get specail treatment. If it was any of the other candidates they would be questioned about the findidngs in the report. Palin owes the American people an explaination. She can't go out on the stump criticizing her opponents without explaining her wrong doings. If Palin thinks she ready to be VP than she should prove it and answer questions like every and any other Vp. I want to hear Palins answer regarding this finding in the report. Why did she lie about it and want to be elected to the highest office in the land?

Posted by: Janice | October 11, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Is the people of America are ignorant enough to believe that a man could sit under the teaching of a man that is a undeniable racists and anti-American...and this is VERY WELL documented then the country is in need of an enema for sure. It's amazing....Obama is sitting back laughing for sure saying to himself "it doesn't matter what I do....the people don't care." Do you Obama supporters like the fact that "your choice" thinks and treats you like you are stupid? Have you read or listened to his speech in Germany....throws back to the speaches that I've studied that some other "savior" was giving back in the 30's telling his supporters that he was going to fix everthing, and the government was going to take care of them.....if they weren't Jewish........ If that is the state of this country....we will get what we deserve!

Posted by: Phil J | October 11, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: reshas | October 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's the Factcheck article about Obama and Bill Ayers:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

Posted by: Naktyvyras | October 11, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

This kind of "fact checking" allows the demogogic morons in the McCain campaign to continue their assault. Where does the brain-dead Palin, who has an ongoing, open association with a secessionist group whose wingnut founder hated the United States, acquire the right to accuse Obama of terrorist sympathies. Of course if her audience--including media-- had the slightest critical intelligence, they'd find the idea ludicrous and offensive. The again, it permits the base emotions of racism to find a home.

Posted by: henst | October 11, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Janice:

You must have missed her answering questions. She said it was her perogative as Governor over a legitimate budget dispute to fire the head of state police. I wouldn't be surprised if she simply offers to pay the maximum $5000 fine and get back to the campaign.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I saw one comment saying that the wash post fact checkers should get 5 pinocchios.

I agree.

This newspaper blatantly covering for Obama, hoping the lies will last long enough to get the SOCIALIST elected

Posted by: Jeff | October 11, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Comic Relief One liners:
Tassie Mary Donaldson ha ha - Australia not even a republic.

Charles Manson - hasn't killed anyone in almost 40 yrs, let him out on his parole in 2012.

Osama Bin Laden - leave him alone he is only the leader, not the doer

Smith (The Younger Generation) and some - IT DOES MATTER or you would not be having the freedom to be the ......

Rev Wright - Let the brother preach

Adolf Hitler - God rest his soul

William Ayers/Tim McVeigh - Let bygones be bygones, it was in the past and they're a real blast at parties

David Berkowitz - Loves people now and only talks to cats

Arthur Morley (London) - Worst child abuse and sick porn stach ever found - but he never touched those kids, he loved them

Hannibal Lecter - nice professional man, could be your neighbor

Dr Josef Mengele - it was medical research, glad he was never caught

Holocost - come on, forgive and forget

You get my point.

Barrackk Hussain Obama - LIAR

It does matter for the security of this nation and YOU. If you cannot see the TRUTH and think this man's past and present associates don't matter then you are more ignorant than is imaginable. Do not be deceived. Vote! Don't sit idle, don't vote third party, for the good of us all, VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN

Posted by: TRUTH20 | October 11, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I used to work quite closeley with a convicted Murderer, that does not mean Im in favor of Murder. All this rubbish talked about Obama and Ayers is just a load of hog wash. I would proberbly have supported the Weather men back in the 60's as I was Anti Veitnam war then, still anti war now, but to try to make somthing out of nothing now is just plain rubbish, the guy Ayers is now an Educator not a terrorist, how many of the so called Militia men support and have met McCain, shook his hand even. McCain is not a WAR Hero, he disobeyed orders and got himself shot down then made a video accepting he personely killed babies and bombed innocent people, all alledgedly under tourcher by the North Veitnamese, then kept in a cushy prison camp till the War was over, wheres this video now. now thats something that aughter be investigated.

Posted by: r.l.bradley | October 11, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

r.l.bradley:

Thank goodness you aren't running for President. You won't mind if the rest of us use a slightly higher standard?

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

It's sad and unfortunate that so many of the commenters here are insane right-wing trolls. There's no point in responding to them.

If they were psychologically normal people (who nevertheless somehow have right-wing beliefs), they'd just stick to outlets for right-wing propaganda like the Washington Times, Fox News, Free Republic, the Drudge Report, and the National Review. Etc., etc., etc.

They may very well be paid trolls, paid to haunt comment threads and spout their crackpot drivel.

I saw the ad on TV yesterday and I found it despicable. "Blind ambition"--referring to Obama and not McCain??? Ludicrous.

The voice actress deserves a special circle in the Hell of Dante's Inferno for her Nazi-style propaganda work for the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Anon | October 11, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Who is closer to whom. George Bush to John McCain or Obama to Ayers? Who has done more to hurt America? Ayers Or Bush? QED. How close could Obama be to Ayers if he didn't even know what subject Ayers taught? (English vs. Education)...US presidential elections are for total idiots. If can't see that bush McAn policies - ie Iraq, was an excuse to loot that country and our treasury, while letting our own infrastructure/economy fall into ruins you don't even deserve to vote.

Posted by: Kate Cooper | October 11, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I encourage McCain-Palin to continue the good-cop/bad-cop game of trying to smear Obama by appealing to the far right-wing, uneducated, blood-thirsty fascist nuts who have overtaken the Republican Party. Moderate, respectable Republicans have bailed out, in horror.

I look forward to the final verdict on what was the Republican Party, due on Nov. 4th, 2008. Grand Old Party? RIP.

Posted by: Michigan Dem | October 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Antilles,
Men moet in de spiegel eerst kijken. Wij hebben het zeggen in Amerika, de waarheid, de gehele waarheid en niets dan de waarheid. Ik sprak slechts de waarheid. Hier is meer waarheid op symbolen, weet uw land zelfs niet waarom uw vlag wit en blauw heeft. De sinaasappel veranderde in rood in 1937 omdat de socialisten sinaasappel gebruikten. Nochtans, wordt een oranje socialistische wimpel gehesen boven de nationale vlag op verjaardagen van leden van het Koninklijke Huis of andere gelegenheden waarin het Koninklijke Huis, behalve wanneer gehesen halve mast geïmpliceerde is.
The TRUTH (De WAARHEID)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

”None of those other people are running for President...“
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”Ayers has only changed tactics...“
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Let's stay focused. Using History out of context is propaganda.

Were ALL his Illini Edu. students all these years ”DUMB“?! R U saying they were all a bunch of empty-brains they couldn't see brainwashing coming from one Prof? Yeah, they were all a bunch of Kindergartners (as if even kindergartners can all be easily brainwashed.)

Is Ayers _the only_ U.Ill professor they ever had there? Did he, and only he, have this magical power to be _the only one_ influencing their adult brains? The other Professors didn't matter?! Were they all under one guy's spell?!

And why should THESE POOR, GULLIBLE, future TEACHERS BE GRANTED CREDENTIALS to brainwash their future students with Ayers ideas in turn?

Well, this is becoming a conspiracy...

Look, folks, this is our Country we talkin' about. Dig deep, question what you hear, put things you hear in context, can it hapen in real life?

Confront pundits & politicians, all of them, people R getting hurt big time with what these people say & do, maybe even you!

Ah, yes, a President can run a terrorist cell from the Oval Office these days. Easy. The Veep is in on it too!

Wake up.

And to those that dismiss some people's ideas here, they're voters, too. We've done a terrible job of engaging them in meaningful dialogue.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The media and the Democrats are using censorship when it comes to any questioning of Obama character and judgment. They immediately pounce upon any criticism as racism or hate mongering. There are serious concerns about Obama’s relationship with Ayers, Rezko and Rev. Wright. Obama needs to come out clean about these past associations.

Posted by: Krishna5002 | October 11, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Kate Cooper:

I'm glad to see some of you admit you've been doing guilt by association.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

So Ayers was protesting an illegal war?Just bombing buildings, no one was hurt?Three of his people were killed building a bomb when it blew up and killed them,guess what this bomb was full of,nails thats an anti-personnel bomb made to kill people.My fathers office at the ROTC unit at the University of Illinois was fire bombed by cowards like Ayers.The anti-war protesters were nothing but cowards afraid they might get drafted and have to go to Vietnam.They were hiding behind it's an "illegal war".Ayers and all the people who ran to Canada are scum.Not heros.How many of you posting here drive a Hyundia or a Kia?Know why you can do that?Because men like my father went to Korea and kept communist North Korea from taking over.We attempted to do the same thing in Vietnam,my father did 2 tours in Vietnam also.

Posted by: gunnrunner | October 11, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I love to take hot man meat in my quivering cornhole.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I think I read the factcheck organization was in the bag for Obama. You can't believe anything that comes out of that campaign.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that folks don't remember that when asked about Ayers during the dem primary, Obama said that the guy was someone who did despicable acts when he was 8 and is a guy from his neighborhood--a relationship which presumably is true for the past several years since they no longer serve on the same boards.

Is Bill Ayers still a domestic terrorist or was he actively involved in terrorism when Obama and he sat together on the charitable boards?

If Mr. Ayers was a respected member of the community of Chicago when Mr. Obama met him and joined the charitable boards, why would Mr. Ayers have been a persona non grata in the mid 90's to Mr. Obama?

Or is the problem for people here the fact that Mr. Ayers has not asked for the public's forgiveness for his acts? Acts that he committed during a time when many young people felt that the country's administration were killing innocents in Vietnam as well as American citizens that were sent overseas to fight an unjust and unnecessary war. A war which lost us over 58,000 American lives and untold Vietnamese lives and which they felt could only be stopped by their violence against the establshment.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not condoning Mr. Ayers actions back in the 60's. But I can understand why he and others felt they had to rail against the system and didn't do enough to bring that war to an end sooner. Sort of like how many people feel now. And, I also recognize that it was a different time and Mr. Obama's association with Mr Ayers, which had occurred long past the time that Mr. Ayers was engaging in what Mr. Ayers might call justifiably violent protests, would not have registered with most people as odd or unreasonable for an up and coming mover and shaker in Chicago as Mr. Ayers had become a respected, productive member of the educational and philanthropic communities there.

Again, not to condone the acts, particularly those that resulted in the loss of life, I wish that people, even those who are quite hateful in their tone and statements consider talking to people who lived through that time and find out what was really going on that a person like Mr. Ayers could commit the acts that he did in his rage against the machine. If you weren't there, you probably don't have the same sense of the time as those who lived through it did.

As for the idea that they pal around, there is no evidence of that and to suggest that Mr. Ayers was still a terrorist at the time that Mr. Obama and he sat on the boards together is misleading and for some who don't know the full extent of the issue, suggestive that Mr. Obama is also a terrorist which is indicated by some of the hateful rhetoric coming out of the McCain/Palin rallies last week.

Of course, many of you could be making the point that once a terrorist always a terrorist even if the work you spent your life doing after that was constructive, productive work. And in that case, I'd suggest that you read our bibles and the words "He who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Obviously some people cannot add and a lot did not do their homework. Michelle Obama did not join Sidley Austin until 1988. Bernadine Dohrn left Sidely Austin in 1988. The Chicago office of this international law firm has 500 attorneys. Even if Ms. Obama had been there during Bernadine Dohrn's time, which is questionable, it takes awhile if ever to meet 499 colleagues.

Posted by: Donna Clark | October 11, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

As I understand, they did meet at their law firm.

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"I am weary of hearing that Obama was "only
8 years old" when Ayers helped found the
Weather Underground. He was an ADULT when
he launched his political career from William Ayers living room.

Posted by: A Knitter"
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And My Ayers was not a member of the Weatherman Underground when mr. Obama started his political career. He was respected, admired member of the University and Philanthropic communities.

PS I'm weary too.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I knew every one of our litigation associates / partners. Of course, we only had a couple attorneys in our firm. There's also a rumor that Ayers ghostwrote one of Obama's books. If that's the case, we would all agree that he lied about not having a close relationship, right?

Posted by: JakeD | October 11, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I'm reading this from Sydney, Australia. Do you people realise how this all looks to the rest of the world?! It used to be funny, but now it's just really quite depressing. If you guys let McCain and that moron run your country, then even I must concede that the anti-American sentiment that has swept the Western world (while you worry about he Islaamic countries that hate you, have you ever stopped to wonder why all the other freedom-loving Western countries hate you too?) is valid. How dumb are you, if you cannot see what McCain is doing? And why do the attrocities that these Republicans commit not worry more of you? Or how about the fact that they've now economically destroyed your country with corporate-driven greed politics?! Seriously, America, wake up. This is just getting scary.

Posted by: Aaron
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You might want to stay down under for at least 25 more days. Then you might conside adding on 4 more years. Cause it looks like we don't have enough Americans smart enough to see that they, the republicans, have succeeded again, at taking our eye off the ball.
The ball being to recognize the need for change and the potential that that change can bring to benefit the country and the world as a whole.
Anyone who sees Mr. Obama as a threat to the planet because of a relationship with a man in a charitable endeavor as scary but doesn't see a threat to the country by a man whose greatest claim to fame is that he was a POW or his running-mates desire to spin off the state of Alaska is beyond help.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

http://www.need4trth.blogspot.com

IF THEY CONTINUE THIS, PURSUE LITIGATION.....

McCain and Palin are not protected under Executive priveledge.

There is enough evidence before the American Populace and on THE Internet and in the INTERNATIONAL press of THE CRIME OF (COVERT PROPAGANDA AND DISINFORMATION)

I say pursue it. FEDERAL LITIGATION ought to be pursued.

THE RNC/JOHN MCCAIN/SARAH PALIN/ AND ALL WHO WERE INVOLVED WERE ACCUSING AND ARE CURRENTLY ACCUSING A U.S. SENATOR OF THE THE TREASON OF BEING A DOMESTIC TERRORIST OR BEING IN AGGREEMENT WITH THE IDEAS OF A DOMESTIC TERRORIST OR WORSE.

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IN THESE COMMERCIALS. IT'S NOT HARD TO CRACK THE CODE.

THE LANGUAGE USED IN THE 'AYERS' PROPAGANDA AD LITERALLY IMPLIES THIS.

THE PROPAGANDA AD ACCUSSES SENATOR BARACK OBAMA OF ILLINOIS, OF BEING, 'THE IDEOLOGICAL ALLIE' OF 'DOMESTIC TERRORIST WILLIAM AYERS'. HOW OBVIOUS CAN IT GET?

IF THAT'S NOT A CHARGE OF TREASON BEFORE THE PUBLIC, IN THE AMERICAN MEDIA AND INTERNATIONAL MEDIA (IT'S ON THE INTERNET AND WORLD WIDE WEB)I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS.

IT'S A BLATANT CHARGE OF THE TREASON OF INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM OR DOMESTIC TERRORISM.....THAT'S WHAT'S BEING IMPLIED.

WHY ELSE WOULDN'T JOHN MCCAIN ACTUALLY SAY IT TO SENATOR OBAMA HIMSELF? WHY DIDN'T JOHN MCCAIN SAY IT DURING THE DEBATE?? BECAUSE HE COULD'VE POSSIBLY BEEN PROSECUTED FOR SUCH AN ACCUSATION. MCCAINS AN OBVIOUS COWARD. THAT'S WHY HE'S INVOLVED IN THESE SNEAKY UNDERHANDED DIRTY TRICKS. IT'S 'JIM CROW' ALL OVER AGAIN.

I'LL REMIND EVERYONE THAT NOT ONLY HAS SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN SERVED (WHILE IN THE SENATE, MIND YOU) ON THE NOTORIOUS, 'US COUNCIL FOR WORLD FREEDOM', FOR 4 YEARS FROM 1981-1986. HE WAS IN TEH SENATE IN 1982-1986, WHILE SERVING ON THIS BOARD, ACCORDING TO THE huffingtonpress.com.

THE USCWF WAS A SUBERSIVE GROUP AND HAVEN FOR ANTI-SEMITISM, RACISM AND OTHER UGLY SCANDLOUS ACTIVITIES INCLUDING THE IRAN CONTRA SCANDAL. MCCAIN CLAIM HE RESIGNED FROM TEH BOARD IN 1984 AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN. YEAH RIGHT!! IT WAS A WHITE SUPREMIST GROUP WITH TIES TO MEO-NAZIS. MCCAIN WAS INVOLVED WITH DR. ANTHONY BUSCARAN VETERAN of 'PIONEERS FUND' ANOTHER WHITE SUPREMIST ORGANIZATION. DR. BUSCARAN WAS RESEARCHING WHITE SUPERIORITY. MCCAIN WAS ALSO INVOLVED AND SAT IN ONE OF THEIR MTGS AUG 30, 1993, 'THE OREGON CITIZENS FUND' AN ANTI-GAY/LESBIAN HATE GROUP. MCCAIN'S A POSSIBLE WHITE SUPREMIST OR WAS. THERE'S RECORDED EVIDENCE ABOVE...

YET SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN AND GOVERNOR SARAH PALIN AND THEIR CAMPAIGN, THE REPUBLICAN, NATIONAL COMMITTEE, FOX NEWS, SEAN HANNITY, AND ANYONE ELSE INVOLVED WITH THE AUTHORITY OF AUTHORIZING ALL INVOLVED TO SAY THESE THINGS IN THESE ADS ARE IMPLYING THIS CHARGE AGAINST A U.S. SENATOR. THE CHARGE OF BEING AN TERRORIST' AND OR DOMESTIC TERRORIST OR TERRORIST SYMPATHIZERS, OR THOSE IN AGGREEMENT WITH THE IDEAS OF A DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

'IDEOLLOGICAL ALLIE'

REFERRING TO PALESTINIANS WHO HATE THE UNITED STATES AND ISRAEL ie TERRORIST....

citing, Itimar Marcus' report in israelenews.com. The storie entitled, 'the ideological allies of a future Palestinian state.'

SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN AND GOVERNOR SARAH AND SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS, THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE AND ANYONE ELSE WITH THE AUTHORITY TO AUTHORIZE THESE CAMAPIGN ADS WHICH SEEM TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES STATUATORY BAN AGAINST THE USE OF 'COVERT PROPAGANDA' AND DISINFORMATION AGAINST UNITED STATES CITIZENS.

While I was researching the term "Ideological Allie", on GOOGLE, IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE this SCANDALOUS TRAIL WHERE IT LEADS WHEN YOU LOOK IT UP LIKE I DID. These stories came up under this term:

1. obamaacorn.com. When I clicked on this tab I found this site, ://URLFAN.COM, which led me to this....obamaacorn.com....

scroll for updates new mccain ad ayers....

THIS SEEMS LIKE A COORDINATED PLOT BY HATE GROUPS AND RACIST DOMESTIC TERRORIST.

John McCain and Sarah Palin and the RNC and Sean Hannity and FOX NEWS have been proporting this CHARGE AGAINST Senator Obama, sort of underneathe the radar, unless of course you actually finished High School. It is as BLATANT AS, my Mom used to say, "BLATANT AS SIN".

When Chris Matthews put this to a Republican srategist on Hardball, Chris asked him, "What is McCain saying, in these ads and with these types of speeches?" Chris gave him the look of 'come on man you know what they're doing.' THE REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST CHANGED THE SUBJECT, AND WOULDN'T ANSWER CHRIS.

THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THEY KNOW IT'S ILLEGAL

Posted by: NEED4TRTH | October 11, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

"There is a majority Democratic House and Senate, so to even think the Republicans caused all this mess (economy, war, WMD, etc, etc) think again. And by the way, the United Nations voted 100%, I repeat 100% to invade Iraq."
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Uh .can we at least be honest about some stuff that is known.

#1 The republicans were in charge of the white house, the senate and the house of reps in 2000- 2006. The steps to deregulate the markets or the steps to regulate it could have occured with the majority. But they were making too much money so they didn't correct the problems. Sorry. Can't blame that one on the dems. Unless you want to blame Clinton who signed the bill in late 99 that had the deregs in it that were placed there by McCain econ advisor former TX Sen Phil Gramm.
#2 Yes the UN did agree to invade IRAQ based on a lie told by our own President George W. Bush. Remember we heard about this a few months ago - the letter that supposedly stated that Saddam was aware of the 9/11 hijackers. The fake letter that GWB paid $5M for that he told us was the smoking gun in that Jan 02 speech. And the WMD's he swore were there after the UN sent tons of people in looking for them and GWB and Cheney and McCain on every talk show insisting we had to invade because he just knew they were there. Yeh. The same ones GWB joked about at one of his state dinners.."Where are the WMD's? Uh maybe they're back here? Nope, not there."

And 6 years and 4 thousands + lives lost due to a lie and a theft of American's resources that have been funneled through to companies owned or operated by friends of Bush and Cheney like Blackwater and the Halliburton subs that did such bad jobs that they actually electrocuted some of our soldiers returning from a mission.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Factcheck.Org confirms "McCain ranks out some false and misleading attacks on Obama's connection to a 1960s radical."
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html

Posted by: tod | October 11, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The ball being to recognize the need for change and the potential that that change can bring to benefit the country and the world as a whole.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:21 PM


Did you think of that all by yourself? Its nice to know you are an independent thinker who can't be confused by campaign rhetoric.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama's nick name on his high school Basketball team was 'Barry O' Bomber'...can't you people see the distinction of a terrorist here??? bomber...basketball....??? ...Like our Great Governor of Alaska...and unlike y'all...at least i'm smart enough to read between the lines....Palin is so sexxxy....so sexy she must be smart...

Posted by: Palin is the Smartest Person I know | October 11, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Uh .can we at least be honest about some stuff that is known.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:40 PM


You are free to post your honest erroneous position

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Nikos Retsos, retired professor of Pol. Sci, and Education in the Chicago area; independent voter, and one who doesn't know nor have met Dr. William Eyers,

Since Mr. Obama's father was never a slave, Mr. Obama's ancestors were never considered 3/5 a person since they didn't make it to shore.

Thank you for your points none the less.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party is a disgrace. Hate mongering and lying ARE NOT American values. Disgusting....

Posted by: Someone that cares | October 11, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.”

M. Ghandi.

Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I must again reference Education. You see, no one blamed the Dems, or the Repubs for that matter. Just merely stated the Dems are part of the problem as some had tho vote pro in order for anything to pass. So why the hatred remarks towards Reps? Education!

Posted by: TRUTH20 | October 11, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The ball being to recognize the need for change and the potential that that change can bring to benefit the country and the world as a whole.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:21 PM


Did you think of that all by yourself? Its nice to know you are an independent thinker who can't be confused by campaign rhetoric.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:48 PM
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Actually, I've had enough campaign rhetoric to last the rest of my life. I suspect many of us have.
And yes, as an independent I came to this position free from the ideas of both repubs and dem parties. I actually did a lot of research on the candidates positions rather than their resumes of associations.
I don't like the hate that has been spewed forth by the McCain/Palin camps among other things. And I think Obama/Biden will do a better job working with repubs, dems and the best and the brightest our country has available to lift us out of this hole we're in both economically and militarily.
The job of President requires leadership as much as it does inspiration. And I don't think Mr. McCain will be able to inspire or lead after the campaign he's run and the backup he's chosen. I also wonder about a woman who would let her self be used the way Mrs. Palin has allowed herself to be used by the McCain operatives. If she had taken a different tact and insisted on being the person who could unite rather than divide, I might have thought differently about her despite her experience which is rather on the light side. But she seems to have accepted, without thinking or blinking, a role that requires someone who thinks and blinks.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Uh .can we at least be honest about some stuff that is known.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:40 PM


You are free to post your honest erroneous position

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 8:55 PM
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Please provide the data on the erroneous part. I'm here to learn. Thank you.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I actually did a lot of research on the candidates positions rather than their resumes of associations.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 9:42 PM


You mean you had no idea that Obama and McCain were going to run on the standard platform of their respective party? What was there to research?

That's why I don't buy that argument. You are either not an independent, you are voting on personality, or this is your first election.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain now knows precisely where Obama's terrorist links are -- "They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”

Posted by: Rumsfeld | October 11, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

For the past 2 days I've been running text analysis of "Dreams From my Father" and "Fugitive Days." They were absolutely written by the same person, either by an unknown ghostwriter or by Ayers himself.

Obama and Ayers were - and are - much closer than "a guy in my neighborhood."

Posted by: Richard R | October 10, 2008 5:10 PM


Richard, sir, you need a hobby. Maybe collect stamps or someting.

Posted by: Patrick | October 11, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I was an anti-war contemprary but one that unequivocally condemned the ferocity of Ayers'(and other radicals')amoral, illegal and wholly contemptible ethos. His reprehensible calls to "kill the rich" and "kill your parents"(I wonder how his kids react to this?!)deserve our collective scorn as much for its cruel inhumanity as for its subornation of a legitimate grassroots peace movement. That today Ayers is a professor of education seems to me both paradoxical and logical.

To put the Ayers-Obama into some sort of context, I would suggest the relationships Kissinger foster with some of the world most notorious dictators and mass murderers. At the time he was hailed an architect for democracy! And, so McCain has told us more than once, that he counts this person as a good friend! It's a case of the "less than candid and truthful" kettle calling the pot "less truthful and candid."

Posted by: boredwell | October 11, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

The article begins with disingenuous misdirection, calling the accusation "guilt by association". But all the Republicans are claiming is that there is an association and that anyone can infer the guilt they think is appropriate.

There is truth in accusation of guilt of association ... why are the Liberals so afraid of that?

Posted by: Aaron Truitt | October 11, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

The lives of McCain, Palin, and Biden are open books. Obama has given extremely limited details on his history, and has been very defensive when questioned about the work he did with Ayers.

So he throws out this "guilt by association" defense, which unfortunately gets everyone discussing Ayers' terrorism history. However disturbing his association has been, Obama is not guilty of being a terrorist. This is not being questioned, but this is his new diversion from the real issue that he is avoiding.

The real issue that needs to be questioned is the radical views he shares with Ayers. This is public record. If the truth is understood by independent voters, Obama has no chance.

Obama has often stated he has answered these questions many times. He has not.

How can so many people defend someone who won't discuss his working history?

Posted by: Ryan | October 11, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Michael Dobbs: You should be ashamed of yourself! Your "Fact Checker" loses all credibility when you say Obama didn't lie,
"He told the truth slowly."

Have you ever wondered why, when you get sworn in on the witness stand, you are asked to "Tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"? It's because by telling only a portion of the truth a person can totally change the impression people get.

Have you ever heard the saying, "A half truth is a whole lie"? That's exactly what Obama was purposely doing. He was trying to hide "the whole truth" by telling a "half truth".

It used to be that a person could pretty much count on straight reporting from newspaper reporters. -Not anymore!

Posted by: Conservator | October 12, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Ayers target was the house of proples of the US aka Congress! That was a fascist act of a fascist person, nothing progressive about it. Ayers is more reactionary than Osama in that sense when you adjust for education and cultural factors. Obuma is fascist too when he borrows from the Mussolini speeches by saying that "rich&poor,..." come together.

Posted by: JD | October 12, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

how can a person--Obuma--who is not qualified to pass a security clearance background check become commander in chief of this great nation?

Posted by: JD | October 12, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

My wife and I voted today for McCain-Palin.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Some of you knuckle-draggers need to watch something other than the silly nonsense put out by FoxNews, or listen to someone other than Rush Limbaugh. You come to a site to check out the facts, and then when they don't meet your agenda, you claim conspiracy. I'm an old man. I've been around long enough to know that when Republican right-wing bigots start to lose, that's when you start hearing them cry, piss, and moan "conspiracy". Get a life. Learn how to lose with some dignity.

Posted by: iaacog | October 12, 2008 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Here's something else for you brilliant essayist to chew on. About a quarter-century ago, McCain was involved with an international fascist outfit called the World Anti-Communist League. Back when he joined up with WACL, the group was a haven for war criminals, drug smugglers and other miscreants from Europe, Latin America, Asia and the Mideast, promoting the ideology of the far right. Among those involved in WACL were the fascist terrorists identified as responsible for bombings in Italy that killed hundreds of innocent people. And what about McCain's former association with the financial crook Charles Keating. It's a known fact that his relationship with him goes much deeper than he wants to admit publicly. Check out snopes.com or factchecker.com, and quit your belly-aching. You picked a dud this time in John McCain, and we picked a winner in Barrack Obama!

Posted by: iaacog | October 12, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

Did BUSH lie about 911?
Lets stick to current issues!

Posted by: VB | October 12, 2008 5:22 AM | Report abuse

What is worse.
Ayers sitting on a board with several other republican and democratic education professionals with Obama, and Obama going to Reverend Wrights CHURCH?

OR

President BUSH being friends under the table with Osama Bin Laden?

Bin Laden Family RICH!
Bush Family RICH!
Both in business together!

I choose the American friends first.

Go Obama!

Posted by: VB | October 12, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

A Wasted Vote
by Rep. Chuck Baldwin
October 10, 2008


When asked why they will not vote for a third party candidate, many people will respond by saying something like, "He cannot win." Or, "I don't want to waste my vote." It is true: America has not elected a third party candidate since 1860. Does that automatically mean, however, that every vote cast for one of the two major party candidates is not a wasted vote? I don't think so.

In the first place, a wasted vote is a vote for someone you know does not represent your own beliefs and principles. A wasted vote is a vote for someone you know will not lead the country in the way it should go. A wasted vote is a vote for the "lesser of two evils." Or, in the case of John McCain and Barack Obama, what we have is a choice between the "evil of two lessers."

Albert Einstein is credited with saying that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. For years now, Republicans and Democrats have been leading the country in the same basic direction: toward bigger and bigger government; more and more socialism, globalism, corporatism, and foreign interventionism; and the dismantling of constitutional liberties. Yet, voters continue to think that they are voting for "change" when they vote for a Republican or Democrat. This is truly insane!

Take a look at the recent $700 billion Wall Street bailout: both John McCain and Barack Obama endorsed and lobbied for it. Both McCain and Obama will continue to bail out these international banksters on the backs of the American taxpayers. Both McCain and Obama support giving illegal aliens amnesty and a path to citizenship. In the debate this past Tuesday night, both McCain and Obama expressed support for sending U.S. forces around the world for "peacekeeping" purposes. They also expressed support for sending combat forces against foreign countries even if those countries do not pose a threat to the United States. Neither Obama nor McCain will do anything to stem the tide of a burgeoning police state or a mushrooming New World Order. Both Obama and McCain support NAFTA and similar "free trade" deals. Neither candidate will do anything to rid America of the Federal Reserve, or work to eliminate the personal income tax, or disband the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). Both Obama and McCain support the United Nations. So, pray tell, how is a vote for either McCain or Obama not a wasted vote?

But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle! Vote for someone who is truly pro-life. Someone who would quickly secure our nation's borders, and end the invasion of our country by illegal aliens. Someone who would, on his first day in office, release Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean and fire U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton. Someone who would immediately, upon assuming office, begin leading the charge to dismantle the Federal Reserve, overturn the 16th Amendment, expunge the IRS, and return America to sound money principles. Someone who would get the US out of the UN. Someone who would stop spending billions and trillions of dollars for foreign aid. Someone who would prosecute the Wall Street bankers who defrauded the American people out of billions of dollars. Someone who would work to repeal NAFTA, CAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and stop the NAFTA superhighway. Someone who would say a resounding "No" to the New World Order. Someone who would stop using our brave men and women in uniform as global cops for the United Nations. Someone who would stop America's global adventurism and interventionism. Someone who would steadfastly support and defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

"Who is this person?" you ask. Go here to find out:

http://www.baldwin08.com/

As John Quincy Adams said, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."

Posted by: Concerned U.S. Citizen | October 12, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Obama was in Indonesia and then Hawaii when Ayers was "bombing" things - where no-one got hurt and the US were bombing over 3 million civilians to bits in Vietnam for no reason at all.

Some of the haters need to get a firmer grip on reality.

No matter what the underground might have done it was only in response to horrors committed by the US government and national guard.

Kent State ring any bells? Anyone would think Ayers was a mass murderer when he was no such thing.

Posted by: Marilyn | October 12, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

i am not an american but i truly care about what america has done for my country. i cannot imagine Barack Hussein Obama and Vice President Biden as in Bin Laden run the greatest country on earth. How could some americans ever forget the thousands of lives lost in the 9/11...who did it? i dont believe that huge campaign donations for obama come from american supporters considering the present economic crunch. donations are too large i believe they come from foreign back ups...im afraid enemies use obama to totally destroy america!

Posted by: coi | October 12, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Attack the VP candidate on Trooper Gate? you got to be kidding - How about Ayers Head Gate. No hall pass on this one.

"Bill Ayers takes credit for — of all days — in The New York Times, September 11th 2001 says, I don’t regret setting bombs, I wish we did more. A man who admits to bombing the Pentagon, the Capitol, New York City police headquarters, whose motto was — get all the rich people, break their cars and houses, and go home and kill your parents."

Posted by: indie08 | October 12, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers."

So,as the Ayers-appointed chairman of the Annenburg Challenge, responsible for doling out millions to support Ayers's radical education projects, disagrees with Ayers's radicalism? Oh Please!

Posted by: cherylin NH | October 12, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Good grief. Once again, Republican's and their moonbat followers want to scare the crap out of America with mythical monsters and the ubiquitous "terrorist." Really folks, who gives a damn is Obama knows Bill Ayer's? Who has Ayer's bombed in the last 40 years? Furthermore, politician's don't necessarily know everything about their supporters, nor should they.
What are they going to do about the economy, jobs, Iraq, Iran, etc. The more you are distracted by stupidity and the politics of fear, the less you are likely to find out about the things that really matter.
The whole "palling around with terrorists" line is a straw man....pay attention, you idiots...there's a lot more important things going on in this country.

Posted by: pbgolfs | October 12, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"Bravo!" to COI. (Oct 12, 9:20am)
You seem to understand the situation better than most Americans.

The world certainly has its problems, but just imagine how much worse things would be without a strong USA!

Electing Obama would not only be bad for America, -it would a catastrophe for the entire world!

Posted by: Conservator | October 12, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing to me that the right gives a pass to all of John McCain's past indiscretions but holds Obama accountable for every acquaintance he has had. Let's call it as it is....

GO OBAMA

Posted by: carolfuget | October 12, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing to me that the right gives a pass to all of John McCain's past indiscretions but holds Obama accountable for every acquaintance he has had. Let's call it as it is....

GO OBAMA

Posted by: carolfuget | October 12, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

This is set up very poorly, misleading unless you read all the fine print at the bottom. WHY do it this way?

Fact: Title is "Did Obama Lie?"

Finding: Two pinochios

It looks to a casual reader, not bothering with all the text as if you find Obama did lie. Why did the Post set it up this way?

You should have set it up in a way that the conclusion of two pinoochios was clear, that MCCAIN LIED! That was your conclusion but you messed up.

Very misleading graphics, editing.

Posted by: B. L. Wickwire | October 12, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Concerned U.S. Citizen:

Baldwin-Castle didn't even make the ballot in every State, here in California for instance.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

B.L.Wickwire:

McCain is not lying about Ayers.

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain succumbed to the forces of fear - Obama remained faithful to the forces of hope and optimism. .............
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/12/obamas-journey-dont-stop-believing/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | October 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Do Obamaniacs "believe" in unicorns too?

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

What should be troubling to you is when your free country has been beaten to the point of thinking it safe or even racist to handover the command of its war arsenal to the SAME guy that launched his political career in the living-room of a white terrorist. And when questioned about the relationship, he LIES.

The sins and pains of our fathers were grievous, but it is clear to everyone that Obama's candidacy represents the fact that America has gone a long way in reuniting its citizens. That should be the breaking news.

When blacks have a candidate that can win the presidency without reminding all that his father is from Kenya and that he does not look like the people on the dollar bill, they will bring him out and he will serve the AMERICAN people.

And in case you think I am racist, just be informed that I am black. One of the few being criticized for not supporting Barack.

Posted by: rigidpleaser | October 12, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

preying on the fears of others; fear to the point of controlling ones point of view. Isn't that TERRORISM? I guess that makes McCain uhhhh? No, I can't go there. He's doing that all by himself.

Posted by: alphaba | October 12, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Told the truth slowly? Where the hell do you get that? Obama gave a complete answer about his (non)relationship with Ayers. These constant attempts at false balance by the WaPo are sickening and cowardly. McCain's the only one lying here. The truth doesn't always lie somewhere in the middle, jackass.

Posted by: DukesStir | October 12, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"

For the past 2 days I've been running text analysis of "Dreams From my Father" and "Fugitive Days." They were absolutely written by the same person, either by an unknown ghostwriter or by Ayers himself.

Obama and Ayers were - and are - much closer than "a guy in my neighborhood."

Posted by: Richard R | "


Thank you for sharing your expertise on this matter. Just what IS your expertise on this matter, Richard?

Posted by: tom | October 12, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

McCain has been proven to be a racist! He served for several years with known racist Jesse Helms in the same United States Senate.

Case closed!

Posted by: tom | October 12, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain can keep trying to portray Obama as a terrorist and he'll continue to tank in the polls. Anyone with half a brain knows he no terrorist.

See you guys on election day. LOL

Posted by: newsjunky42 | October 12, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad everyone keeps bringing up Rev. Wright. Maybe now we can hear more about Rob Parsley and John Hagee, and the 'witchdoctor' in Alaska! Why do republicans keep throwing stones in their glass house? Kinda like Ayers, a connection to Obama but not Annenberg, how does that work?

Posted by: Two way road | October 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

and Michael Dobbs what about wghen I caught you about your report on where mcCain was born. Your comment gives journalism a bad name.

Posted by: Steve Wittlake | October 12, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

This discussion makes no sense. If Ayers is such a bad guy then way hasn't the government done something about him? Get real! Everybody knows someone that is not squeaky clean. You might be suprised if you look into John McCain's closet.

Posted by: Joyce | October 12, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Over the years I have seen many pictures of McCain with his arm around George Bush. I personally think I would prefer Ayers to Bush. Ayers has done much less harm to the US than Bush has. Ayers deeds will fade as time goes by. George Bush has left a mark on our children and grandchildren and their grandchildren and etc.

Posted by: racam_us | October 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If McCain really believed what he said, why would he accept the endorsement of Leonore Annenberg (not to mention her contributions to his campaign)?

Ayers was placed in a high position on the Annenberg Foundation, the board where Ayers served with Obama.

If McCain really believes what he is saying, why would he accept money and the endorsement of the enabler and champion of a domestic terrorist?

His campaign tactics make McCain unfit to lead. Even the McCain of 2000 agrees, which is why his video comments are the last word on the subject, in my post.

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/mccains-campaign-tactics-show-he-is.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checking the factchecker.

Michael Dobbs understands as a liar (not a journalist) but as a professional liar that it is easy to sway perception on what you say or dont say.

For example, Ayers admitted that he was "guilty as hell" but was let off on a technicality.

So, how does Dobbs write it? He persuades the readers that Ayers was innocent and was being hounded by "prosecural misconduct."

Is this story about the prosecutor? Was Ayers guilty of terrorism? Well, the simple and more straightforward answer is that yes Ayers was guilty but he was let off on a technicality. Sort of like OJ simpson. Everyone knows he was guilty but he got off.

Dobbs continues to pander and lapdog for Ombama since Dobbs long ago chose to be a media campaigner for Obama.

So of course he uses words to twist the truth to whitewash his beloved Obama. Washington Post is full of such pathetic yellow journalists.

Obama worked with Ayers for 13 years. Obama has indeed voted in a manner that is extreme leftist. So yes, Obama does show similar beliefs to Ayers.

Obama gave over a million dollars to ACORN through the Ayers grant mechanism.

Obama gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Wright through this same mechanism and gave tens of thousands to his own wife Michelle.

Cleverly, as in very DECEPTIVELY Dobbs leaves these little details out.

Dobbs also leaves out the fact that Chicago is very liberal so Ayers getting a teaching relating job does not mean Ayers is a good guy. It just proves that he has liberal friends in corrupt Chicago.

Posted by: KMichaels | October 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Besides the questionable statement by Obama that Ayer is just a man living his neighborhood, his statement that Ayer is 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old,' has tried to show that Obama knows nothing about Weatherman Underground, which should be well known if he has studied modern history in schools

Posted by: austin b | October 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

reading all these comments all i see is HATE from both democrats and republicans towards each other. it looks like we (americans) have already lost the election and what its all about.

Posted by: pity us | October 12, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Fact Checker is my first follow-up after seeing a campaign ad.

I've always said, you can only trust a politician or lawyer as far as you can throw them.

They all require clarification and fact checks.

Posted by: Concernedaboutdc | October 12, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain is fomenting fear and irrationality by his "Guilt By Association" malarkey. How this utterly hollow and hypocritical rhetoric can disgorge from his throat is beyond me. His running mate, Palin, has abused power, and McCain is one of the infamous "Keating 5" (Google it, if it doesn't ring a bell). Obama served on a board with a "terrorist?!" McCain served in the senate with former radicals, and contemporaneously accused criminals (Stevens & Bailey, to name only two). McCain bragged about voting "with" Pres. Bush 90% of the time. If you listed all of the questionable acts committed by Bush and his administration, by McCain's reasoning, everyone in the US Government should resign, lest they have their judgment questioned the next time they apply for a job, or run for public office. McCain is desperate, and the rhetoric spewed in his name is reprehensible. Simply put, he should be ashamed of himself.

Posted by: Jason Rowe | October 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Its about facts - the hate is born by the frustration of regular Americans who are tired of 'give' aways. We work in this country for what we get, we are not supposed to get just because we want. We may want change and Obama may claim he can do that but WE need to WORK to find out the truth. WE NEED TO SEE WHERE IN HIS PAST HE HAD AN IDEA, WORKED TO ACHIEVE IT, AND THE RESULTS WERE CREDIBLE. Truth on Obama is, his resume is weak at best, his relationships are great until he is caught so he ditches them, the media wants him in so we know more about Paris Hilton, he has dealings with ACORN, Ayers, Jim Johnson, Fannie Mae, Dodd, Frank, he created the most liberal record in history, has done exactly the opposite of he 'new' agenda..I'm tired of typing. Bottom line, give him 4 years in the Senate and see if he puts America first. Don't just hand the keys over to him because he is a smooth talker and gives you a warm feeling in your tummy. CHECK THE FACTS and when you catch up to the rest of us and realize we just don't know enough, maybe you too will ask the media to stick the microscope up there so we can see what falls out.

If elected President, there is no fact check and we all get what we deserve - The most inexperienced President in our nations history, the most liberal Democrats on the planet will own all branches of gov't (that means more gov't spending, more bureaucrats slowing progress - see congress approval rating and Nancy Pelosi's 100 days of change actual record - didn't happen), Senator Chris Dodd will lead the inquiry on what caused economic crisis - he, Obama and Frank got millions from Fannie and Freddy and stopped legislation to keep the crisis from happening;but that doesn't make the report,ACORN will be creditted for their great work in getting people out to vote - even though they registered ten of thousands of duplicate, ficticous, and dead people including cats and the Dallas Cowboys, we'll get that universal healthcare entitlement we can never stop paying for(see welfare) - even though we can't pay for social security. But Hey, at least Obama will make us feel good about it right!

PEOPLE WAKE UP!! CHECK FACTS ON THIS GUY. WE NEED COMPETENCY, LESS GOV'T AND LESS SOCIAL PROGRAMS NOT MORE SPENDING - WE CANNOT AFFORD IT, SIMPLE MATH!!!

One more thing, OBAMA'S REGULATION = aka MORE SPENDING. We need to make congress do their job with what we already gave them!!

Ok, one more I promise, do we really want to elect a ticket with two people on it from the pool of 9% approval rating - Bush has 22%! Seriously, Obama clowns to the left and Bush Jokers to the right, and McCain stuck in the middle with you!

Posted by: Dooley | October 12, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama isn't friends with Bush, Cheney, or the Neocons. It's not hard to see who's guiltier by association.

Posted by: aleks | October 12, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Told the truth slowly...that's rich. He gave an answer in response to a debate question. While he didn't include the shocking fact that gasp, Ayers gave a whopping $200 to his Senate campaign in 2001, and gasp, they served on a board together that focused on education reforms and attended six meetings over six years doesn't make it a lie. Why don't you also tag him for not revealing that their children attended different schools at the same time.

There is no there, there. Why don't people get it. There is nothing to this story. Nothing. This is why we are stuck in Iraq as we speak. So many people were concentrating on the shiny distracting object, nobody bothered to think critically about important issues.

Posted by: TW | October 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

TW:

If Ayers WROTE Obama's book, would that be enough to convince you he lied?

Posted by: JakeD | October 12, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I did not know that there was a SPEED element associated with telling the truth. He TOLD THE TRUTH SLOWLY - was he speaking slowly, I wonder? Or did he tell the truth in bits and pieces over months and years? How does one tell the truth FAST??

Posted by: Larry | October 12, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

It's very clear to me that what we have here is McCain intentionally misleading people. He knows he's doing it too. That's not just bad judgment, it's the worst kind of deceit. I don't want that for my president. He should be ashamed of himself. If he pulled that type of stunt at the US Naval Academy in Annapolis, he would be expelled. He's simply not fit to be president. He's hardly fit to be a US Senator. I am disgusted.

Posted by: Jill | October 12, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

If Bill Ayers is such a good guy why don't his wife & him come out & tell the American people that he was just a guy in the neigborhood. Ayers or obama just don't remind me of Mr. Rodgers. Why won't obama yell the truth about acorn? Why don't Michele obama say she worked with ayers wife? They just come back with John McCain & Keating? Just double talk all the time from obama's camp. Who is rizzo just another guy in the hood?

Posted by: becky | October 12, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

If, in the last twenty years, John McCain had done as much good as Dr. William Ayers, we would be better off.

To all those professing a "deep relationship", tell us what it was already. Business? Fishing buddies? Lovers? What was it? Tell us please.

Posted by: LaterAlligator | October 12, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The McCain campaign's guilty by (remote) association tactic is pathetic. Besides the whole Keating 5 fiasco, look at the seedy character McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis (aka Mr. Freddie Mac), arranged an "encounter" with (a "pinko commie" mobster). Bad judgement, indeed Mr. McCain:

From Wikipedia:
In 2006, Davis helped set up the encounter between McCain and Russian aluminum magnate Oleg Deripaska in Switzerland during an international economic conference. Deripaska's suspected links to anti-democratic and organized-crime figures are so controversial that the U.S. government revoked his entry visa in 2006.[17]

At the time, Davis was working for a lobbying firm and seeking to do business with the billionaire. Later that month, Deripaska wrote to Davis and his partner, political consultant Paul J. Manafort, to thank them for arranging the meeting. "Thank you so much for setting up everything in Klosters so spectacularly," he wrote. "It was very interesting to meet Senators McCain, Chambliss and Sununu in such an intimate setting."[17]

Posted by: TeeD | October 12, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Scathing as it was, this fact check of the McCain lie pales in comparison to the whooping it got at fact check dot org.

For the purposes of being able to substantively refute these lies, I have posted the links to both fact check columns, and highlighted the essentials of both.

For the story, and link to the better fact check post:

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/fact-check-debunks-lie-about-ayers.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 12, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

There are clearly some "low information' voters (read low IQ) out there, as evidenced by some of the comments above. That McCain's loyal base is so engrossed with someone as irrelevant and unimportant as Ayers, shows true desperation. McCain/Palin are trying to manufacture as much controversy as possible, in hopes of distracting (duping) voters away from the Republican failures of the last 8 years, culminating in the USA (Bush) led global financial meltdown. That McCain's troops think that Ayers is important in light of the magnitude of these economic developments, speaks volumes about their understanding of reality. These very same people will be among the most impacted by a Republican triggered recession. Karma anyone.


Posted by: jim | October 12, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

AMERICA: FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY - PLEASE DO YOUR RESEARCH - you will find that Bill Ayers and Barack Obama are more than just "guys who live in the same neighborhood". Mr. Obama's attempt to downplay their relationship is clearly and absolutely a lie.

Posted by: Wendy | October 12, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

More from Wikipedia, under Obama-Ayers controversy, summarizing how Obama and Ayers came to know one another (go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama%E2%80%93Ayers_controversy to read it for yourself). The numbers within brackets are footnotes.

Ayers and Dohrn hosted a gathering at their home in the Hyde Park section of Chicago, the neighborhood in which the Obamas lived,[10] at which then- state Senator Alice J. Palmer introduced Barack Obama as her choice for the 1996 Democratic primary.[10] Palmer denied that she organized the political affair for Obama, although she said she attended. Dr. Quentin Young, a longtime physician, who also attended, referred to the gathering as the political coming-out party for Obama. Young said it was a small group—maybe a dozen or so people—who were being introduced to the next senator from Chicago's South Side, and that money was raised for Obama at the event.[11] Although the exact date of the gathering is not known, it was sometime in the second half of 1995, according to Ben Smith, a reporter for The Politico.[4]

Obama served as president of the board of directors for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a large education-related nonprofit organization that Ayers was instrumental in starting.[10] The board disbursed grants to schools and raised private matching funds while Ayers worked with the operational arm of the effort. Both attended some board meetings in common starting in 1995, retreats, and at least one news conference together as the education program started. They continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 period when the program was operating.[10]

Obama and Ayers served together for three years on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago, an anti-poverty foundation established in 1941. Obama had joined the nine-member board in 1993, and had attended a dozen of the quarterly meetings together with Ayers in the three years up to 2002, when Obama left his position on the board,[1] which Ayers chaired for two years.[12] Laura S. Washington, chairwoman of the Woods Fund, said the small board had a collegial "friendly but businesslike" atmosphere, and met four times a year for a half-day, mostly to approve grants.[2] The two also appeared together on academic panel discussions, including a 1997 University of Chicago discussion on juvenile justice. They again appeared in 2002 at an academic panel co-sponsored by the Chicago Public Library.[1] One panel discussion in which they both appeared was organized by Obama's wife, Michelle.[13]

In 2008, a spokesman for the Obama campaign said the last time Obama and Ayers had seen each other was when Obama was biking in the neighborhood in 2007 and crossed paths with Ayers. The spokesman said "The suggestion that Ayers was a political adviser to Obama or someone who shaped his political views is patently false".[14]

The New York Times reported that Obama did not have a significant relationship with Ayers.[10] According to several people, Ayers played no role in starting Obama's career which was primarily launched when Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, suggested Obama be appointed as chairman of the board of the six-member board that oversaw the distribution of grants in Chicago.[10]

***** Further in the article *****

William C. Ibershof, the lead federal prosecutor of the Weather Underground case, wrote:

I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child. Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.[43]

***********
It thus appears that if Obama "told the truth slowly" about Ayers it was because there wasn't much to tell. Get over it. Pick up a newspaper and read about the international economic crisis -- that's what is important in this election. Doesn't the status of your retirement pension concern you? Are you worried whether you will have a job in 4 months? Obama's association with a reformed student radical who committed non-random crimes 40+ years ago simply isn't that important now.

What? Still can't drop all this talk about the candidates' important associations? Ok, let's discuss Palin's ties with her witchdoctor -- I'd love to see those clips get more play. I suspect that's the main reason why Rev Wright is no longer an issue. Oh, and she has friends in the Alaska Independence Party who say they helped launch her political career. See the article in www.salon.com about the latter that was posted last Friday.

Go ahead -- keep the nonsense about Obama's ties to Ayers going. You will find that Palin is the gift that keeps on giving.

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Posted by: 2s46cpjniy | October 12, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

It would be more appropriate to characterize this as:

a statement can be read as an accurate depiction of minimal dealings between Obama and figure distantly associated with some controversy. It is hard to qualify it as a "lie," The New York Times got it right last week when it noted that "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers."

Your repeating the garbage from the McCain ad lends credence to the smear. Shame on you.

Posted by: Greg Slocum | October 12, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Palin are linking Obama to terrorism because they are not qualified to speak on the economy.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 12, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TomB | October 10, 2008 5:44 PM:

How about the Obama meeting with Iraqi officials.. undermining a current sitting Presidents attempts to negotiate a troop withdrawl...
----------------------------------------------------

That's not true. Obama did not do that. He clearly expressed, then, that he was talking in one voice with President Bush.

You're being lied. Do you mind being lied?

Check your informations before you take the risk to lie to others, unless that's what you want?

Always double-triple check.

Since I'm talking about lies... Palin... she has the nerve!

The bipartisan report said she did not break any law by firing Walt Monegan. Big news!
What she doesn't say, (why?) is that the result number one of the report, is this:

the investigation has concluded that Palin abused the powers of her office by pressuring subordinates to dismiss the trooper. (Also:
that the claims of fear were a facade to mask a maneuver in a family dispute.)

Sure she hasn't broken any law firing Monegan: that's not even a question, since she has the right, as a governor, to fire him without any reason.

THEN: how could she break a law firing him?

Think of it JUST a second.


Bottom line:
a bipartisan investigation found, and decided unanimously to release the report now, that Gov. Sarah Palin used her office to try to settle a family score, therefore Gov Palin violated the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.

Branchflower wrote that Palin "knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda."
Bottom line.

And she has the nerve to deny it.
Shame on her. She is such a blatant hypocrite.
She has zero respect for ethics, public function and authority. She is psychopath.

read more:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008257451_trooper12.html

Posted by: hypocrisy | October 12, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Bigger Than Ayers [Mark Hemingway]


I've stayed largely silent on the William Ayers controversy because, while associating with someone of that nature is completely reprehensible, I'm not altogether convinced it's a poltically effective attack. (I also wish McCain was putting a better economic message on the table right now as well.) Further, if associating with criminals is a problem — there are more relevant associations with ties to his campaign that everybody ought to be concerned with.

I've been screaming into the abyss for some time about Alexi Giannoulias, the Illinois state treasurer that Obama endorsed when he ran for office despite no previous political experience, who has been personally mixed up with organized crime via business dealings with his family's bank. Well, guess what — this little nugget turned up in a column in the Chicago Sun-Times:

Sneed hears rumbles political fund-raiser/fixer Tony Rezko, who is now singing sweetly to the feds from his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, has been talking about his "dealings" with a Chicago bank, which has political connections.

Now that's throw away item in a political gossip column, so I would suggest taking it with a grain of salt. But if there's any truth to it the odds that Rezko is singing about Giannoulias' Broadway Bank are exceedingly high. If Giannoulias turns out to be in legal trouble again, there's no way Obama can disatance himself like he has with Ayers. Giannoulias has been out raising lots of money for his campaign, and was even given a speaking slot at the Democratic convention in August.

So Obama chose to have him associated with his campaign. This was well after it became public that Giannoulias had loaned $11.8 million to Michael Giorango, a convicted bookmaker and prostitution promoter. Giannoulias first denied he personally approved the loan, then Chicago Tribune reported that Giannoulias personally oversaw $11.8 million in mortgage loans to Giorango in 2005. Then Giannoulias said the money had not gone to finance Casinos for organized crime. He appears to have lied again: “But newly obtained records show that $3.6 million of the recent loans were used by Giorango and another convicted felon to acquire a casino boat marina in Myrtle Beach, S.C.,” reported the Tribune.

It's not like the Obama campaign can credibly say they didn't know about this before he was out raising money for the campaign. But I'd like to believe major news agencies might want to pull a few reporters out of dumpsters in Wasilla (probably starting to get really cold up there anyway) and get them to Chicago to look into a potential Rezko-Giannoulias connection toot sweet. Maybe there's nothing there, but it's worth looking into right?

I can dream, can't I?

Posted by: JANE SCHNEEMAN | October 12, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I just finished a long drive across several states and find it interesting to note that the McCain yard signs appear in the most remote areas where people are distanced from other people.

The Obama yard signs appear every time you get close to where people live together.

Also, I don't see angry people yelling vile things at Obama rallies.
For all the Textual analyzers on this blog - why don't you do a visual comparison of a McCain Speech to a Hitler speech. You will be so proud. A rally of McCain supporters yelling hateful messages about Obama is a little bit like pre war Germany. Fear is a very powerful negative force.

Posted by: Interested Observer | October 12, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I read a few of the blogs and it appears that Obama's 700 paid bloggers are spreading their propaganda. Wow, they are good, but my question is, do they really believe all of this negativity against McCain? Why don't you go to www.meetbarackobama.com/?s=google&t=rncgeneral&r=obama. The whole Chicago associations and connections are listed there if you click on Obama's picture. You will see that he is in so deep that if one person would start talking he would be in jail along with Rezko. It looks like most of his buddies have been indicted. These are only his Political buddies. Not Frank Marshall Davis, his Communist mentor in Hawaii, or Khalid al-Mansour(raised money for Harvard Education), and on and on and on. hmmm!

Posted by: Joan | October 12, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"Incidentally, I have been running textual analysis on McCain's book, "Faith of My Fathers". Turns out it was (ghost-)written by a very different man than the one who is running for President today, one for whom "Country First" was more than a slogan."

McCain's book was written by a terrorist too?

Posted by: Duscany | October 12, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

(Sigh)

Look (some of you) people, the World Financial Sky has fallen. And, remember, IF it weren't for (still) Communist China the US ARMY wouldn't still be in (you know where). _That's_ the 800 lb gorilla next to you, the elephant crowding your room, the Economy. Not Professor Ayers.

Soon, many of you (or your parents who financially support you) will be out of a job, pension & health care. Ayers & Michelle Obama are distractions created to distract (some of) you, as old a trick as the oldest of professions (politics).

WAKE UP. Start focusing, arguing, discussing what _matters_, the Economy, whatever your concerns, preferences & political beliefs are. Bombard your representatives with the Economy, most of them are up to their stinking heads in this mess. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS NOW.

Don't let these highly paid propaganda campaign professionals take you (again & again) for _their_ ride.

Capice? Good.

Posted by: Bemused | October 13, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

For the once that is claiming that the realtionship with Ayers was or is deeper, come with some evendence or at least mention them. Is easy to state that it was deeper. Come with evidence!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 13, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

The point of Ayers is how could any decent politician with ambition want to be associated with someone who tried to kill Americans and who condoned 9/11. Obama is trying to downplay his relationship, yet Ayers supported Obama when he first ran for state senator with hosting a coffee and donating to his campaign. Did he not know of Ayers past?

Another puzzling relationship is with the Rev Wright. Obama claims he never heard any of Wright's distasteful sermons. However, why did Obama not allow Wright to speak in Springfield when he was announcing his plans to run for president?

I can't see how anyone with a brain can trust this guy. I admit he is smart, but common sense or good judgement.....I don't think so.

Posted by: concerned08 | October 13, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like alot of McCain supporters to me trying to smudge Obama's name. So have fun supporting Dr. Evil..... Sharks with frickin laser beams.... Later losers...

Go Obama..............

Posted by: Jason | October 13, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

I just have to point something out. There is one glaring ommission from this fact checking article. The actual question that George Stephanopolous asked is very relevant to the case of whether or not Obama lied. You see in the actual context of the question Mr Stephanopolous referenced Barack Obama being friendly with Bill Ayers and also referenced the meeting at his house that was held at the beginning of Obama's political career. The fact that they were referred to in the question and were never refuted shows that there was more substance to that exchange than the fact checker is giving credit for. The allegation that Obama lied is an out and out lie. He did NOT tell the truth slowly either. He answered the question fully and openly and I would also point out that this fact checker didnt list the other part of Obama's answer that dealt with his being on a board with Bill Ayers. All of this stuff came out at the same time during that same debate so ask yourself. What was left to say?? If you dont believe me, actually click on the link and read the transcript yourself

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | October 13, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

@Richard R:

What does text analysis mean? You want to go into detail on how your techniques work? Are you just inspecting the text? Are you using some sort of computer program?

Even if you were a credible linguist there would be no way to definitively determine that two texts have the same author. But I'm guessing you're not.

It sounds to me like you are some sort of whacko who is treating his personal and clearly biased impressions of the readings of these two books as if that is evidence of alternative authorship. That isn't definitive, its not even suggestive of your point. Really, your claims are just silly.

Posted by: haha | October 13, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like alot of McCain supporters to me trying to smudge Obama's name. So have fun supporting Dr. Evil..... Sharks with frickin laser beams.... Later losers...

Go Obama..............

Posted by: Jason | October 13, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Obama couldn't have known him that well, if he didn't even know what subject the guy taught. It seems like the fact that he got this detail wrong in the statement to Stephanopoulos, suggests that Obama know Ayers about as well as he claims.(ie peripherally).

McCain is really grasping.

Posted by: Patrick OHIO | October 13, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Obama is tied to::

ACORN--which has reportedly received payments of nearly a million Barack Obama Campaign payments in 2008. These were funneled through a front company called Citizens Services, Inc.

George Soros of MoveOn.org a far left organization of which ACRON provided $20 million seed capital for left-wing advocacy group.

Bill Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist who appointed Obama Chairmanof the Chicago Annenberg Challenge---Obama later doled out hundreds of millions to Acorn and other community groups

Johnson: A former top Obama advisor and veep vetter who resinged indisgrace for involvement in Countrywide Scandal. he was a former Fannie Mae CEO and pulled in $21 million in just his last year alone. He established the Fannie Mae Foundation to hand out millions to ACORN.

Pritzker--another terrorist friend connected to Ayers

Franks--stalwart defender of Fannie Mae and helped pressure banks to lend to unqualified buyers (also promoted by ACORN)

Dodd;deeply embedded in wall street firms, the senator and house banking
chair is the single highest recipient of money from Freddy Mac & Fannie Mae - now
overseeing the bailout and the very crisis he has enabled (Obama was the second highest recipient of money from same)

Raines--Taking 90 million out of the system in 5 years, he illegally coerced employees to falsify accounting facts so he'd get maximum bonus. Fannie used Enron-esque fraud, at Raines' orders, to create the largest bail-out in US history. Called Obama a member of the "family" and thanked him for pressuring him to make unsound loans. (Is Obama's campaign advisor)

For more than anyone could imagine, watch::
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NmaZIdz6Vo

Posted by: chicagobluesgirl | October 13, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

McCain's associations are worse than Obama's, he's been Palin' around with corrupt people for a long time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-lux/guilt-by-associations_b_133758.html

Terrorists, white supremacists, neo-nazis, felons, and murderers.

Posted by: Associations | October 13, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

This, like much of the Post's "fact-checking" leaves much to be desired.

That's the polite term for calling it rubbish, which is what it is. Obama was introduced as a candidate in Ayers' living room, worked with him on a board, dispensing millions of dollars in funds to Ayers' radical educational causes, was described by one of his campaign officals as "friendly" but McCain gets the "Pinocchios."

The Post and much of the rest of the so-called "mainstream media" deserve an infinite number of Pinocchios for their under-handed, biased reporting in this year's election.

Part of the bedrock of our democracy is letting voters make a fair informed choice. The Post (and the Times, CNN, NBC, etc., etc.) have demonstrated that they think winning this campaign is more important than their 4th estate responsibilities.

So it's up to us to tell them exactly where they can stuff that, by refusing to buy their papers or watch their channels.

Obama may win, but we need to make sure the dishonest news media loses in the long run.

Posted by: ME | October 13, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

There is little doubt, based solely upon the written record, of Obama's affiliation with ACORN and their present dilema related to multiple voter fraud incidents traced to their door step by the FBI, not to mention his close associations with Odinga of Kenya, a vile creature who has been directly responsible for the slaughter, rape, and abuse of many christians in Kenya, radical apostate christian minister Wright, whose church he attended for nearly 20 years, not to mention the Ayers association, financial support from at least three wealthy Muslim freinds overseas, etc. There is so much more that I could reference here and state unequivacably that these associations are very real. Even including public endorsement by radical islamic leaders who have no love for this nation or it's people. Just how blind can people become?

But, in truth, Obama is so slick that he has deceived many of our young people. The democraps are "buying" the White House with lies, half truths, and over $500 Million dollars in campaign contributions, of which, over $250 Million dollars in campaign funds are untraceable and disclosure to the media and the FEC as to the source has been withheld or falsified by the Obama campaign. This is not my facts and figures, this is facts and figures which have been verified by investigative reports on the subject. In my opinion, based upon all the research I have done on this man, this is a well designed, well orchestrated assault upon our American values, and they are winning the battle.

I am not overly enamoured by McCain, for he too is a part of the political spin in Washington, but at least he is not a true threat to our form of democracy like Obama. Obama is a deceiver, a seducer, and most importantly, he has undetermined ties to some real scarey people who do not like Americans. In truth, I beleive that the majority of young people will vote for Obama, ignorant and uncaring as to his true nature or his political philosophy. All they see in him is "change". Would be nice if they asked themselves, what truly is going to change?

This nation is no longer the nation that my fellow soldiers and I fought to defend. It has become twisted from that which it was intially designed to be, "of the people, for the people and by the people" is a concept long past and no longer a true description of this nation and it's people.

There is little doubt in my mind that this nation will become a socialist state. Individual rights and freedoms under Obama will be a thing of the past. We see now that the Feds will probably own the banks, the mortgage bankers and lenders, all rights to own a rifle or shotgun will be taken away from the citizens, more horrific partial birth abortions will become common place under his regime, and government deception will most assuredly flourish like never before.

Just how many of you can afford medical insurance for your children. Are you aware that if you can not afford medical insurance that Obama (his government) will fine you?

Most of us from the "Old School" have already seen the hand writing on the wall. America will fall, for it will be torn asunder from within, and from our enemies without. I am just not certain yet that Obama will be the radical islamic "mole" who facilitates the further decline of this once great nation. Our children will become slaves of the state under Obama, wait and see.

Posted by: Jordan | October 13, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Associations

I truly wish you were in touch with reality. Has your support for Obama blinded you to the facts or are you just illiterate?

Posted by: Jordan | October 13, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

chicagobluesgirl

Thank you for your post! You have merely stated that which is true and factual, I like that of you. You are correct, there is so much more there if Onama's blind supporters would just do the research instead of being seduced by a man who will promise anything, but deliver only more governmental controls upon the masses.

Posted by: Jordan | October 13, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

investugate foreign intervention instead of covering it up with the help of "agent" Robin Wright:
http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/045318.html

Posted by: JD | October 13, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

If this thread is typical of the attitude of voters and citizens out there, we are in very deep trouble. The degree of polarization, hatred, and the unwillingness to _hear_ , but not necessarily believe others POVs is something I did not expect in this election.

Maybe McCain supporters are truly afraid of Barack Obama rather than just racists and bigots...they shouldn't be. True, Obama is black, has a foreign sounding name, etc. But evil? I don't think so! Socialist? Bush has that covered with his bailout plan, whatever it is this week. Times are changing and the conservative revolution that started with Reagan is dead...D-E-A-D. I'm grateful for that. So Republicans/conservatives can moderate and work with the new Democrat majority in Congress and Democratic POTUS or you/they can just _try_ to obstruct and prevent progress in this country. I probably will not like all the changes to come, but change will come after this election. Conservatism, as we've known it over the past almost 30 years, has been discredited and is dead.

Posted by: ptgrunner | October 13, 2008 4:26 AM | Report abuse

Let me ask a question and then give your answer.

If someone brut fully murders someone with a butcher knife and you sat with them 40 years later would they still be a killer?

The defense is very weak. If I took donations from that same killer how would you look at me? Would that not be ties to a murder?

I just don't get how people can think someone is flawless and without error.

Posted by: Michael | October 13, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

1. Why is anyone defending Obama and his radical ties?
He IS involved with radical far left associations.
He IS risky.
Plea to the Media:
Please keep these associations of Senator Obama in your news coverage daily.
Google anyone of these characters and it’s enough to rethink if Obama is the “All American Guy”
First it was convicted political fixer Antoin “Tony” Rezko;
then it was Nadhmi Auchi;
then it was William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn; the domestic terrorist
then it was Rashid Khalidi;
then it was Rev. Wright, Rev. Meeks, Rev. Otis, Father Pfleger
then “black liberation theology’ and the ten point system taught at Obama’s church: Trinity United Church of Christ,
then it was Louis Farrakhan; the “Nation of Islam” leader from Chicago
then it was the New Black Panthers;
then it was Aiham Alsammarae;
then it was Jodie Evans;
then it was Hamas;
then it was Hugo Chavez;
then it was Fidel Castro;
then it was Muammar al-Gaddafi;
then it was North Korea’s Kim Jong-Il;
then it was the Communist Party USA;
then it was ___; and then it was ___.
Please have your “fair and balanced” media coverage remind the public of Obama’s past
Barack Hussein Obama doesn’t sound “All American” to me and to my community

Posted by: al from nj | October 13, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: al from nj | October 13, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Until this month, the man who is widely credited with starting the cyberwhisper campaign that still dogs Mr. Obama was a secondary character in news reports, with deep explorations of his background largely confined to liberal blogs.

But an appearance in a documentary-style program on the Fox News Channel watched by three million people last week thrust the man, Andy Martin, and his past into the foreground. The program allowed Mr. Martin to assert falsely and without challenge that Mr. Obama had once trained to overthrow the government.

An examination of legal documents and election filings, along with interviews with his acquaintances, revealed Mr. Martin, 62, to be a man with a history of scintillating if not always factual claims. He has left a trail of animosity — some of it provoked by anti-Jewish comments — among political leaders, lawyers and judges in three states over more than 30 years.

Posted by: Hubba Bubba | October 13, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a total socialist and if that is what you want for this country God help us all. Wow, Ayers, Ancorn, Reznek, Rev. Wright, Pakistan college roomates, who next? What more do you Obama supporters need to relieze that this guy is not who he seems to be. He preaches to us with hope, that is it. He does not have the experience or the ability to run this great country.

Posted by: James | October 13, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Crooks & Liars?? They _all_ are!
Remember WMD's? Remember Abramoff? Remember Monica?! Remember ”ParatrooperGate“ unfolding under our very eyes?
They can always count on voters wasting their time with side issues, pittly stuff.
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You worried about Obama (if he wins) starting a communist cell somewhere in the White House, right under the nose of the Secret Service?
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Well, then, DON'T worry about the trillion dollars debt we have with Communist China, thanks to (you know who in) Washington.
Can you i m m a g i n e how much influence a few trilions have?! Do you even k n o w what a ”trillion“ is?
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Gimme a break. How can you trust a campaign that focuses on this trash?! We're in this mess because people like you waste time with smoke & mirrors. Did you vote in the last Presidential election? Tthis mess we're in now is your fault, credulous.
Recent History shows, the VP can be more important than the figure-head up there.
Whoever wants 'wink-wink' at the helm (God forbid), raise your hand!

Posted by: Bemused | October 13, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Bemused:

You posted a bunch of McCain's associations previously, so this tactic must be OK to use. Further, none of those McCain associations launched his campaign.

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

For the record, my wife and I already voted for McCain and Sarah "wink wink" Palin. She's much better than Hillary "clap clap point point" Clinton.

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Bemused

You are inflating our debt to Chine by approximately $500 Billion. And I suppose you blame Bush when you get a cold or wreck your car!

Do you have any concept as to what you are babbling on about? In the first place, budgeting (economics) and spending rest predominantly with the Legislative Branch of our Government, not solely the Administrative branch. Perhaps you should go back to school and study US Economics or US History 101.

Personally, I think that before anyone vote, they should have the intellectual ability to process thought and reason without demonstrating that they are idiots.

Posted by: Jordan | October 13, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Jordon:

20/20 had a story Friday night about the youth voting, when they didn't even know how many Senators or STATES we have! Scary indeed.

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Speaking from a retired educators viewpoint, I find it disconcerting that your fact check did not say anything about the curriculum being taught in those inner-city Chicago schools Obama funded millions of dollars to when he was president of the board of the Woods Fund which received grants from the Annenberg Challenge. The "Collaborative" - Ayers side of the equation only recommended schools to Obama to fund that adhered to Bill Ayers radical anti-goverment philosophy that brainwashed children for Obama and Ayer's political gains. These schools had little to do with regular reading, science and math teachings and the tests scores proved likewise. Obama and Ayers worked together for 3-4 years on this. If you believe that Obama would not know what kind of curriculum he was sending millions of dollars to without visiting the schools or knowing what the curriculam stated, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. By the way, I was born (a far cry from 8 years of age) the year Hitler came to power but even I am smart enough to know the consequences of his actions and I am not running for President. I have a feeling that after this guy is elected we will find out much more than we will ever want to know once the liberal media honeymoon is over...

Posted by: CDKirchnec | October 13, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Republicans read about or even see history dictating itself. The country goes downhill under the GOP and when it gets bad enough people wise up and finally remember, its the economy stupid, save your job!! Then the Democrats clean up the mess each and every time.

Posted by: John | October 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I remember my dad telling me the most important reason in voting for president is to have a job. He voted for Roosevelt so he could get one. People need to vote for jobs.

Posted by: Mike | October 13, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Mike:

You dad was selfish and wrong. The most important reason to vote for President is for a moral leader. Hopefully, you don't have any kids.

John:

Carter did not clean up the economy ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Ok, times are tough and yet somehow Obama has been able to raise hundreds of millions of dollars from so-called regular citizens. So basically he will reap a billion dollars from the economy just to become President. WOW, that is a great economic plan he has and for the stupid fools who contribute to HIS cause, God help you. I am sure there are many people in the Middle East with a lot of money who also would love to see Obama as President.

Posted by: James | October 13, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

James:

It is scary that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is in the lead right now.

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

From Sunday's Televised "Meet the Press" Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.

Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, General Bill Ginn' USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain why he doesn't' follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

The General also stated to the Senator that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to
stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. At the very least, "Stand and Face It"

Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, "As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said. 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like
To Teach the World To Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it. "We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love.

My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons.

"It is my intention to disarm America to a level of acceptance to our middle east bretheren". "If we a nation of warring people conduct ourselves as trhe nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails."

"When I become President of the United States, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppresice thoughts. We, as a nation, have placed upon the Nations of Islam an unfair injustice."

"Together she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her
views and I have mine".

Of Course, now I find myself about to become the next President of these United States and I have put aside my hatred (of what...America?) I will use my power to bring change to this nation (and its people) and offer a new path of hope. In fact, change is about to overwhelm these United States of America." (End of Quote)

These words came from the man of evil who would reign over you! He is Muslim, for the sentiments he spoke are most assuredly pro-Islam! He does not honor our honored dead, who were your fathers, grandfathers, uncles, brothers, and honorable men who shed their blood that we might enjoy the freedoms you would hand over to this diciple of Satan. The innocent victims of 9-11 cry out that you might WAKE UP and see this man for what he is, the one that you so fervently support to lead this once great nation!

Posted by: Jordan | October 13, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I haven't read the entire thread here but I am wondering if anyone is commenting on Palin and her relationship with the AIP as well as any of her husbands associations with white supremist organizations.

Posted by: MJK-NYC | October 13, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I read these statements written by a collection of people and I think I have waisted my time. I just want to find facts that are backed by something more than gossip or by backers of the other party. All voters have a responsibility to vote for the candidate which they think would best serve our country, but apparently we cannot find that out because of bad information or gossip, call it what you will. Anyone out there who can help me find a place to research actual facts that were written by an unbiased person please tell me the web site to go to. Thank you for your time.

Posted by: just trying to be a good american | October 13, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

You can, at least, find out the TRUE facts about Sarah Palin here:

http://www.palinrumors.com

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Jordan,

Way to stir things up. What an amazing piece of fiction!

Of course, all of the people who buy into all the anonymous e-mail trash that has been circulating about Obama for the past 18 months are probably nodding in agreement right now.

I can't decide whether you're attempting to be sarcastic, or you're an idiot!

Posted by: kdphil40 | October 13, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse


I realize it's another topic but I'm wondering why the Democrats don't go after Palin's past membership in the AIP - check this link to see video of Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the Alaska Independence party confirming it:

http://firedoglake.com/2008/09/10/sarah-palin-and-the-aip-not-so-fast-with-the-exonerations-please/

And this quote"
“My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.” from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (“Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.”)
source-http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/

YIKES

Posted by: MJK-NYC | October 13, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

It would be refreshing to see some balanced reporting here. McCain has a less than illustrious connection to groups with neo-Nazi members that supported South American death squads. Let's see an article from the Washington Post on this.

"McCain signed up with the US Council for World Freedom, which was run by General Jack Singlaub and was—it was the American affiliate for the World Anti-Communist League, and the World Anti-Communist League has had a long history of associating with some of the darkest elements of the world’s right-wing forces, including people who were neo-Nazis and even some old Nazis, as well as racialists. And most importantly, in the Central America area, the World Anti-Communist League provided an umbrella for some of the right-wing activities there. They provided assistance. They provided political connections and frameworks for some of the leaders of the death squads in Guatemala, El Salvador, and also a great deal of support for the Contras. And John McCain signed onto that with the idea, apparently, of building his credibility with the Reagan right" (Robert Parry, Democracy Now,http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/13/robert_parry_why_are_mccain_backers)

Posted by: Stephan | October 13, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse


I agree

Posted by: Anonymous | October 13, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Wake up, Barrack Hussien Obama thinks he is the savior of the world when in reality he is nothing, but a hybrid terrorist who continues to show his true self, a Muslim.

Posted by: Jones | October 13, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

A "radical anti-goverment philosophy" is a Republican philosophy. Furthermore, I thought Obama was a Socialist, which is hardly anti-government. You guys have to get on the same page. Limbaugh send you guys over here? Where do you get your misinformation? I now believe that Obama/Biden will win this election. And you Republicans clowns can become the anti-government radicals.

I assume you came to fact-checker to "check the facts". I'm not sure why you would do so; you're not looking for facts. When the information here doesn't comport with your biases and what Limbaugh has told you, then you simply go (more) nuts. Can't handle the truth????? Look, I've not seen anything from a responsible source that suggests that Obama had anything more than a distant relationship with Ayers, starting in 1995. Ayers was an anti-war hero AFAIC. Most of you weren't alive during the Vietnam war, a war that the American people came to oppose overwhelmingly, yet our government insisting on continuing to fight.

Once again, I write it loud and clear: neo-conservatism has been discredited and is D-E-A-D! Unless, Bush declares a national emergency, martial law, and refuses to leave office, Obama will soon be our next POTUS and the Democrats will have control of both Houses of Congress in Jan. 2009. This is a reward to neo-cons for the past 8 years. It's a dangerous thing for one party to have so much control, but maybe the damage of Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 can be undone.

For those of you accusing Obama of having close ties with Ayers (not that it matters anymore), being a socialist (like Bush 2), being a terrorist (like Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2), being Muslim, being black (this, too, is still a crime to many people), provide your source(s) of information. Otherwise, back off.
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As Posted by: CDKirchnec on October 13, 2008 1:50 PM, the following nonsense was noted.

Speaking from a retired educators viewpoint, I find it disconcerting that your fact check did not say anything about the curriculum being taught in those inner-city Chicago schools Obama funded millions of dollars to when he was president of the board of the Woods Fund which received grants from the Annenberg Challenge. The "Collaborative" - Ayers side of the equation only recommended schools to Obama to fund that adhered to Bill Ayers radical anti-goverment philosophy that brainwashed children for Obama and Ayer's political gains.

Posted by: ptgrunner | October 13, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain last nite:
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”I have to tell you, I have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared as president of the United States.“
”No! Boo! No!“
”Now... just... now... look, If I didn't think I would be a heck of a lot better [president] I wouldn't be running...”
[applause]

(Words of Sen. McCain during one of HIS OWN rallies last nite.)

He was pretty sincere & emotional. Finally, decent words, a decent candidate's words. Will he, now, rein in on their campaign strategists? On his VP?!

If he does, we can forget this whole fiasco. If he doesn't, after saying what he said, is that a flip-flop, or what the heck is it?

For the ”educator“ up there, brainwashing is what happenned on the run-up to the Iraq invasion. It's what George Bush did surreptitiously to John McCain in the 2000 election.

Gimme a break.

Posted by: Bemused | October 13, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Bemused:

I think that McCain was just trying to be polite, you know, like everyone is about that crazy old uncle sitting around the table at Thanksgiving dinner? Also, you've posted a bunch of McCain's associations, previously, so this tactic must be OK to use now, right? For the last time, however, none of those McCain associations launched his political career ; )

Posted by: JakeD | October 13, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Folks, please research original sources; don't believe someone else's blog.

Check the University of Illinois website and you'll find Ayers works in the College of Education, Dept of Curriculum & Instruction. Michelle Obama works for University of Chicago hospitals. They don't work together.

Gotta ask: Do the folks who believe Obama pals around with terrorists also believe that Palin posed for those topless pictures? If you believe one, you've gotta believe the other.

Posted by: Ann Carlson, Cleveland Ohio | October 13, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

In 1978, Bush and Osama bin Laden's brother, Salem bin Laden, founded Arbusto Energy, an oil company based in Texas.

Several bin Laden family members invested millions in The Carlyle Group, a private global equity firm based in Washington , DC . The company's senior advisor was Bush's father, former President George H.W. Bush. After news of the bin Laden-Bush connection became public, the elder Bush stepped down from Carlyle.

Interestingly, on Sept. 11, 2001, members of the Carlyle Group - including Bush senior, and his former secretary of state, James Baker - were meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington, D.C., along with Shafiq bin Laden, another one of Osama bin Laden's brothers.

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The Democrats are too nice. Since the Republican campaign wants to play character assassination games against the democratic nominee, I would respond like so.

BIN LADEN declared war on the United States long before Sept. 11. He bombed the World Trade Center and Blew a hole in the USS Cole and blew up two US Embassies that totaled dozens of Americans dead and murdered.

Now as former leader of the republican party and its current leader kept business ties open and poured money directly to BIN LADEN BLOOD BROTHER.

The republicans put greed and money first before country.

If they want to tie a 10 pound boat anchor (Bill Ayers) around Obamas waste, I would tie this 1,000 pound boat anchor around McSames waste and toss it over the side.

This is legitimate because as president your actions represent not only the country, but primarily the PARTY as an example of how things should be run. So the republican party is responsible for supporting BIN LADEN and his BLOOD brother.

I know my above argument is total B.S. Not related to real issues facing the nation. Only meaningless distraction. But if the republican want to play that game, the dems should slam duck the ball hard on them.

Posted by: joe212 | October 13, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

The financial crisis was partly caused the liberal idea that everyone is entitled not just to a home, but a house as well. Well not everyone can afford a house. My family lived in apartments until we worked hard and moved from the poor class to the Middle Class. This was accomplished through hard work not free hand-outs. If you vote for Obama, you vote for communism.
Obama supports ACORN. He gave 800,000 to get out trhe vote. The Democrats had wanted to vote to include millions for ACORN in the bailout package.

Posted by: JoeWW | October 13, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

ACORN guilty of voter Fraud.
ACORN intimidates banks to give risky loans to the poor.
Poor defaults loan and bank sells it to Fannae Mae. Fannae Mae goes under and the stock market hits bottom.
Barrack had worked for ACORN and now he gives a solution to solve the economic problems.

Barrack Obama works for Bill Ayers ( a known terroist)
Obama is going to kill Bin Laden and not Bill Ayers (his friend).

Obama attended a church for 20 years, in which the preacher accused 70 per cent of the American population as being devils (racism). It took Obama 20 years to find out that hate was being preached in the Church.

These were serious misjudgments on his part. If he does become president, our vote will not count and we are going to have to duck and take cover like in the 1960's. He will not be able to make any misjudgments. He will not be able to brush aside his future decisions as misjudgments which cause the USA to cease to exist.

Posted by: JoeWW | October 13, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

You cannot trust any news source. God forbid this website. You have to form whats right and wrong in your own mind.

Weatherman Documentary (everyone should watch no matter what your stance):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6078589535743610981


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfEcZlO-APE

Michelle Robinson's Thesis:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

Posted by: Idealogy | October 13, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Bill Ayers is a boogey man propped up by Mr McCains top gun Rick Davis. He got his funding by the Annenbergs.If you don't know who these people are you need to. Ambassador Leonore Annenberg,who was appointed by Ronald Reagan gave FIFTY(count 'em) MILLION DOLLARS to Professor Bill Ayers. Annenberg endorsed McCain/Palin and is listed proudly on there website. How is that possible?Huh???? A person giving millions to a terrorist?How does that even work? Are They are turning a blind eye? Does it help to know there's a residence hall at Northwestern U. named after Ayer's father? Or that his father gave Arnold Weber (another McCain campaign contributor) a job? Strange world eh? Or that his father was the CEO of Commonwealth Edison? STOP drinking the kool-aid people or you'll wind up getting duped again! Really,you will.
Does it help to know that for five years, the Bush administration pursued ACORN and voter registration fraud? It cost Alberto Gonzales his JOB when he fired the reluctant state prosecutors, replacing them with his stooges but EVEN then, after FIVE YEARS, they were unable to bring a SINGLE CASE to trial, let along a successful conviction. Why is that?
And why aren't all you toadies checking out ,First Goatee Todd Palin's terrorist connections, they are real and they are dangerous and are being overlooked.Thats why he always looks like he's getting away with something.He is! His mentor,Joe Vogler was murdered in an explosives deal gone bad. These are dangerous people the Palins hang out with, separatists,looneys and bombers, bonafide home grown American terrorists, like Tim McVeigh. Who they admired by the way, you all need to do some reading on this subject before you go thinking that the Plains deserve to be in the White House.I think Palin is McCains revenge against the country that let him rot for 5 years in a prison camp.i mean why else would hebring people this corrupt andtry to shove them down the American peoples throat?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

thanks to conservator for understanding my affection for america.
its just so frustrating that some americans are too blind to see the truth. it's so simple and clear, how can u ever imagine Barack Hussein Obama and Biden as in Bin Laden run your country. its not that obama is a black american, its the fact that he is associated with those who were responsible for the death of the thousands of americans in 2001. remember blood is thickier than water.you dont blame mccain for your bad economy. american congress dominated by the democrats played a part not only bush. i believe the american people are also responsible for the deteriorating economy as they are the ones who benefited from the overflowing credit privileges. they thought all the while that the government is always there to shoulder and burden unpaid credits as they have been used to. but no government no matter how wealthy it is could absorb all the crunch. it has to end and recover. now the people blame all to the government and clamor for change. these people enjoyed, it is just right for them to suffer as well. if these americans think obama is the man for the job, then it is the government they well deserve.

Posted by: coi | October 14, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

thanks to conservator for understanding my affection for america.
its just so frustrating that some americans are too blind to see the truth. it's so simple and clear, how can u ever imagine Barack Hussein Obama and Biden as in Bin Laden run your country. its not that obama is a black american, its the fact that he is associated with those who were responsible for the death of the thousands of americans in 2001. remember blood is thickier than water.you dont blame mccain for your bad economy. american congress dominated by the democrats played a part not only bush. i believe the american people are also responsible for the deteriorating economy as they are the ones who benefited from the overflowing credit privileges. they thought all the while that the government is always there to shoulder and burden unpaid credits as they have been used to. but no government no matter how wealthy it is could absorb all the crunch. it has to end and recover. now the people blame all to the government and clamor for change. these people enjoyed, it is just right for them to suffer as well. if these americans think obama is the man for the job, then it is the government they well deserve.

Posted by: coi | October 14, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Here is a fact Democrats do now like to read.

George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six years the economy was fine.

A little over two years ago :
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high–14,000 +
5) American’s were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!…

But American’s wanted ‘CHANGE’! So, in 2006 they voted in a "Democrat" Congress and YES–we got ‘CHANGE’ all right. In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is between $3 and $4 and could go higher;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and pric es still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~ $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE…AND WE SURE GOT IT! ..
REMEMBER .... THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
NOW THE DEMO CRAT CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH MORE ‘CHANGE’ DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?




Posted by: Backgammon | October 14, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"Piloman" of October 10 entry--Ayers did not rehabilitate; he said he doesn't regret what he did! "American" of the same date--you spelled "lose" incorrectly. The liberal drivel drips constantly from this forum.

Posted by: Disgusted | October 14, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

So who are these America-haters that the Palins are pallin’ around with?
Before his strange murder in 1993, party founder Joe Vogler preached armed insurrection against the United States of America. Vogler, who always carried a Magnum with him, was fond of saying, “When the [federal] bureaucrats come after me, I suggest they wear red coats. They make better targets. In the federal government are the biggest liars in the United States, and I hate them with a passion. They think they own [Alaska]. There comes a time when people will choose to die with honor rather than live with dishonor. That time may be coming here. Our goal is ultimate independence by peaceful means under a minimal government fully responsive to the people. I hope we don’t have to take human life, but if they go on tramping on our property rights, look out, we’re ready to die.”
This quote is from “Coming Into the Country,” by John McPhee, who traipsed around Alaska’s remote gold mining country with Vogler for his 1991 book. The violent-tempered secessionist vowed to McPhee that if any federal official tried to stop him from polluting Alaska’s rivers with his earth-moving equipment, he would “run over him with a Cat and turn mosquitoes loose on him while he dies.”
Vogler wasn’t just a blowhard either. He put his secessionist ideas into action, working to build AIP membership to 20,000 — an impressive figure by Alaska standards — and to elect party member Walter Hickel as governor in 1990.
Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.
That’s right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.
AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he could reach his U.N. platform. “The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed,” by Vogler’s U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark. “And we can’t have that, can we?”
The Republican ticket is working hard this week to make Barack Obama’s tenuous connection to graying, ’60s revolutionary Bill Ayers a major campaign issue. But the Palins’ connection to anti-American extremism is much more central to their political biographies.

Posted by: be careful you might be next | October 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Imagine the uproar if Michelle Obama was revealed to have joined a black nationalist party whose founder preached armed secession from the United States and who enlisted the government of Iran in his cause? The Obama campaign would probably not have survived such an explosive revelation. Particularly if Barack Obama himself was videotaped giving the anti-American secessionists his wholehearted support just months ago.

Where’s the outrage, Sarah Palin has been asking this week, in her attacks on Obama’s fuzzy ties to Ayers? The question is more appropriate when applied to her own disturbing associations.

Posted by: even more | October 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Ayers admits openly that he is a "c" communist. He didn't like Stalin but he's more of a Marx man. He admits that he likes the ideology of being communist. It doesn't take much to find out that information - it's right in the encyclopedia. WHY DO AMERICANS WANT TO BE COMMUNISTS? Obama himself claimed he was a socialist by letting the world know during the last debate that a teacher should have the same livelihood as a person making over $250,000 a year. WHY? A teacher hasn't done anything to earn his/her way to making $250 grand. If you don't want to make the pay of a civil servant than get out of that field and persue something in the private sector! FYI: I'm a school teacher and I don't cry about my pay - oh and I live in Florida so I am not forced to give a huge percentage of my money to a union either! Get a grip America - don't drag me into your Socialistic/Communistic mud just cause you don't want to get off your lazy butt and earn a living!

Posted by: angela08 | October 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

When the poop hits the fan there are a lot of Socialistic Americans who are going to wish they had friends who believed in 2nd Amendment rights. It is sad that we live in a society that believes people who own guns and choose to prepare themselves to protect their families are considered "disturbing associations." Wake Up America!

Posted by: Mommyof3 | October 14, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

mccain hates veterans and betrayed his country

obamas 'sins' pale in comparison


The non-partisan group Disabled American Veterans gives John McCain a 20 percent rating for his voting record on veterans' issues. (It gives Barack Obama an 80 percent rating.)

The non-partisan group Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gives McCain a "D" grade for his voting record on issues such as additional funding for combat body armor, and additional funding for post-traumatic stress disorder and other medical treatment. (Obama earned a B +.)

Posted by: Arthur | October 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

ayers was hire by a fanatical republican family, the annenbergs, staunch mccain supporters

and works on a board for a repub gov, who supports mccain...

obama was 8 when ayers did his dirty deeds

mccain was a grown man
killed 140+ on the forrestal
keating 5
voted against funding the troops (and his own son!)
voted against vets benefits
cheated on his crippled wife
picked a loser like palin for VP

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

If you had enuff guts about you to report the truth you would know that Obama kicked off his politcal career at Ayers house and that he was a ghost writer fo Obama's first book. Bill Ayers Timothy Mc Veigh are the same type terroists and you might had as well but Obama wright in thier with them because he is in Acorns hip pocket which is doing evey thing it can to under mine a fair election with thier voter fraud which makes them a terroist organzation trying to under mine this country have some guts and become a reporter and print the the facts and quit putting your agenda in every stoty

Posted by: W L | October 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

mccain sold out his men for food...
despicable

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

mccain dropped bombs/napalm on civies

he without sin cast the first stone...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

mcveigh was a neo-con republican
think about it

Posted by: Anonymous | October 14, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

As I read though these comments I am amazed what Americans have become. The original question has almost been forgotten and the Right bashing, name calling feeding frenzy has begun. If that's the only way to defend Obama then we are in trouble if he is elected. Thanks to those who actually talk about the question at hand. The CNN conclusion was based on true information. Was it more than the simple passing aquantance that Obama expressed. The answer is YES. Do we all have a past we would like to forget. Again the answer is yes. Some of us learn from our mistakes and change. That change is visible from future actions. Based on that, Obama has mislead the American people by trying to distance himself from the truth which in this case has very serious implications. Personally I could not vote for Obama because this and other close relationships that tie Obama to anti-american questionable education.

As for Ayers, if I was wanting to change the way a nation thinks, I would start with education and at the earliest age allowable to slowly indoctrinate my views on America. (See 60's and 70's.)

Posted by: Proud American | October 14, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Penny Pritzker, heads Obama camp National Finance Committee was president of Superior Bank - massively failed and she literally bought her way out of jail paying $460 MILLION fine; was the very epicenter of subprime loan scandal” that would come to eat this nation’s financial system alive.

Posted by: Jordan48 | October 14, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Imagine the uproar if Michelle Obama was revealed to have joined a black nationalist party whose founder preached armed secession from the United States and who enlisted the government of Iran in his cause? The Obama campaign would probably not have survived such an explosive revelation. Particularly if Barack Obama himself was videotaped giving the anti-American secessionists his wholehearted support just months ago.

Where’s the outrage, Sarah Palin has been asking this week, in her attacks on Obama’s fuzzy ties to Ayers? The question is more appropriate when applied to her own disturbing associations.

Posted by: anti american palin | October 14, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

It bet Ayers listened to the Grateful Dead and thought the President conducted an illegal war


I say roll Obama Roll. where those GOP senators are going ...I don't Know..Roll roll roll Obama Roll

Posted by: deadjerry | October 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

A lot of thinking and no truth. Is that the best you can do. Sarah Palin just wants to know the facts like every american voter should republican and democrat alike. The fact that Obama lied about his relationship with Ayers means he has something to hide. These facts are real and confirmed by media (who tends to be left). If you are in denial about that there there is help for you but the first step is to admit you have a problem. It would be nice if Obama could produce a birth certificate to prove that he is a natural born citizen. Something he has yet to do and the DNC is pretty upset about and now they have to jump through that hoop. Again either he has something to hide or he is just stupid and I can tell he is not stupid. He is a good speaker. Too bad he can't be honest.

Posted by: Fact Checker | October 14, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I have yet to see Obama's transcripts from Columbia, what courses did take to prepare for the number one job in this Country? I have seen nothing on his Harvard studies. I have seen his problem with drugs, cocain while at Columbia, did he go through a drug rehab program?

Posted by: Brant | October 15, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

anyone with basic knowledge of "security clearance checks" knows that Obama cannot pass it (considering his fascist associates, and his drug use.)how can he become commander in chief if he cannot qualify for "security clearance?"

Posted by: JD | October 15, 2008 4:28 AM | Report abuse

If Senator Obama was a "terrorist"---cue the capital letters and exclamation marks---why hasn't our illustrious president called for his capture? After all, this is the president who directed U.S. security analysts to listen in on phone conversations of ordinary citizens and soldiers, so he should certainly "know all and see all." Besides, that would help divert our attention from the economy and Sen. McCain's disastrous campaign for a few days.

Posted by: Sherrill | October 15, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

If not mistaken, McCain is friends of "GGordon Liddy" a convicted felon, and I might add a "true" domestic terrorist. You don't hear much about that until to night that is.....You go McCain open mouth insert foot....time to retire....

Posted by: WhatAbout | October 15, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

anyone with basic knowledge of "security clearance checks" knows that Obama cannot pass it (considering his fascist associates, and his drug use.)how can he become commander in chief if he cannot qualify for "security clearance?"

Posted by: JD


bush went awol
did drugs
dui
etc.

mccain
was a traitor
'manchurian candidate' potential
made films for the VC
drunkard
adultery
keating 5
palin, screws a terrorist

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

(If not mistaken, McCain is friends of "GGordon Liddy" a convicted felon, and I might add a "true" domestic terrorist.)

Hey Scumbag leave ol GGordon out of it he paid for his crimes McVeigh paid for his crimes Ayers the trash he is has not paid for his crimes and anybody who supports him or is friends to him is a traitor period and the news media of this country is just as bad they should be tried for treason because they can not report the news with out putting thier liberal views in it and they are wondering why they are tanking in paper sales and in TV viewers freedoom is not free its been paid for with a lot of blood not only in wars put here at home in crimes which hurt or kill citenzins cops fire fighters etc but the news media is more intrested in seeing how many breaks they can give these people by talking about how bad our law enforment officers are I wish the would go after our crooked polticans with the same vile Barney Frank Chris Dodd would be two good ones to start with but wait thats the people they look up too the news media in this country is just a extension of the democratic party and a bunch of lairs just look at the stoty above enuff said !!!!!!

Posted by: W L | October 15, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I think a better name for fact checker is "FAT CHECKER" as you getting fat paychecks from the BO staff. A five year old is more honest than you guys. This is the first and last time I EVER visit this propaganda site.

Posted by: Tom | October 15, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Am I to conclude that you espouse that we forsake the teachings of Jesus Christ in favor of your doctrine of science?

For did Christ not say that carnal men will not come into the light, for if they come into the light their sins will be reproved?

Was it not the Vatican that called the Democratic Party, the party of death?

Vatican Attacks Democrats as ‘a Party of Death’

An outspoken Vatican authority has issued a sharp rebuke of Democrats in the U.S., and party leaders Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden, over the abortion issue.
Former St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke, who was named prefect of the Vatican’s Supreme Court of the Apostolic Signature in June, told the Italian newspaper Avvenire that the Democratic Party risked “transforming itself definitively into a party of death for its decisions on bioethical issues.”

He said House Speaker Pelosi and Sen. Biden “while presenting themselves as good Catholics have presented Church doctrine on abortion in a false and tendentious way.”

Pelosi was criticized by Catholic leaders last month for saying the Church itself had long debated when human life begins. Biden also supports abortion rights.
Burke said pro-life Democrats are “rare” and complained that the party that helped “our immigrant parents and grandparents” prosper in the U.S. had changed so much over the years, Reuters reported.

Burke created a stir during the 2004 presidential campaign when he said Democratic nominee John Kerry, a Catholic, should be denied Communion because of his views on abortion.

Pope Decries Modern Godless Societies

Sunday, October 5, 2008 7:30 AM

ROME - Pope Benedict XVI warned Sunday that modern culture is pushing God out of people's lives, causing nations once rich in religious faith to lose their identities.

Benedict celebrated a Mass in the Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls to open a worldwide meeting of bishops on the relevance of the Bible for contemporary Catholics.

"Today, nations once rich in faith and vocations are losing their own identity, under the harmful and destructive influence of a certain modern culture," said Benedict, who has been pushing for religion to be given more room in society.

Shall we all now forsake our God and worship at the alter of your "political messiah", Sen Obama?

Posted by: Jordan48 | October 15, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Operating from the premise when it comes to your children, "it's not their friends, it's their friend's friends" to be concerned about, I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT OBAMA. I will vote for a true a American patriot, John McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

My comment has more to do with Bill Ayers than his relationship with Barack Obama. The bombs set by the Weathermen was far greater than a few small bombs. There was a car bomb and several bombs set at the home of a New York Judge and his family and had the family not been made aware, the car bomb could have killed someone. And there was a bombing in San Francisco that killed a police officer and injured several others. And the bomb that killed the Weathermen makers was a nail bomb intended for a dance on a military base which included military members and their spouses or dates. I think your "small bombs" is downplaying the seriousness of this. And even Bill Ayers made comments about the significant damage done by at least one of the bombs.

Posted by: Cindy Anderson | October 16, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

two sources for those who like to have facts before making a judgement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyspCRmJv7w
and:
http://justsaynodeal.com/

Posted by: truth guards | October 17, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

IT'S OFFICIAL! The WaPo pals around with terrorists and has been IN THE TANK for Barack HUSSEIN Obama since the get go. You don't have to pretend anymore, Dobbs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/16/AR2008101603436_pf.html

In other "news" Gallup yesterday, and now AP/Yahoo poll today, have McCain within TWO POINTS.

Posted by: JakeD | October 17, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Yes Obama was associated with Bill, Mr. Wright, and Faracaun. I know I spelled his name wrong but I don't care. Bill and faracaun both live in his neighborhood, so what Mr. Wright gave faracaun some kind of award at his church for something probebly racist against a blue-eyed devil since he is muslim. Religions have long since crossed lines like when Hitler got together with a radical muslim group and created a muslim youth group. Why does all this matter? Why care who he he talks to or becomes friends with? Character matters. Your faith and political views matter. I hope to one day have a Black President as we should have already. But, Obama wants all of us to be equal and if that be the case, then there can only be one above you, him. When I say equal I do not mean race or creed I am talking about spreading the wealth. It's going to be like repeating history and he will be king and we will all be pessants.

Posted by: votemorality | October 17, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

jaked...
the latest gallup poll has obama +7, not 2
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111241/Gallup-Daily-Little-Impact-From-Debate-Far.aspx

the 2 is for likely voters, a precarious assumption
if new voers are factored in it's 6

either way, it'a ll over for mccain the traitor

Posted by: Anonymous | October 17, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

We'll see soon enough.

Posted by: JakeD | October 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

At least you don't dispute that the WaPo pals around with terrorists and has been IN THE TANK for Barack HUSSEIN Obama since the get go -- although, if this is you, Pete, again posting as "Anonymous" I already know your position -- as I said, Dobbs doesn't have to pretend anymore.

Posted by: JakeD | October 17, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a terrorist! Why are you idiots so blind not to see this?

Posted by: JakeD | October 17, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I'll spell it out to you idiots. Proof that Obama is a terrorist:

1. His pastor, Wright, hates white people.
2. He had a friendship with Ayers.
3. Don't you see the relation: Obama/Osama?
4. His middle name is Hussein, like Saddam Hussein!
5. He is an arab.
6. He is a muslim.

If you people are too stupid to see this, then you must be terrorists too!


Posted by: JakeD | October 17, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm begining to think a lot of people are completely nuts. So Obama was only eight years old when Ayers tried to destory the U S A, so what he should be in prison today, not being pals with Obama. Obama as a person running for president should have nothing to do with any one who hates and speaks out against the U S A. He also should not have had to attend his church to have relised his preacher [Pastor] friend was a racist and hated the U S A. Could he really be that stupid? And in his whole life what has Obama ever done for his country? Has he ever had the guts to join any branch of our fighters to help defend our country? Can he deny he wrote a book that put down white people? Can his wife deny she wrote college papers putting down white people? If any white person had written anything about black people that was like what the obama's did they would be called racists, so why not the Obama's?
Ron Johnson

Posted by: Ron Johnson | October 17, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

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