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Steve Jobs doesn't like Adobe Flash

Apple's Web site features the latest open letter from company founder and chief executive Steve Jobs -- this time, an extended critique of Adobe Flash, which Apple refuses to allow on its iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad.

Jobs's "Thoughts on Flash" makes some good points but also has a few head-scratching moments. In it, he writes that Flash -- a combination of multimedia format and browser plug-in -- falls short in six areas:

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1. Unlike the parts of the Web that Apple does support on its mobile devices, Flash is "100% proprietary." This is true, although Adobe has taken steps to open up the Flash format.

2. You don't need Flash to get to the "full Web" because, Jobs writes, "almost all this video is also available in a more modern format, H.264, and viewable on iPhones, iPods and iPads." Oh, really? Jobs seems to have forgotten about a popular video site called Hulu. He also neglects to note how some sites now ask would-be viewers to pay for application versions of themselves -- click on a video link at MLB.com on an iPad, and baseball's site invites you to buy MLB's $14.99 MLB At Bat program.

3. Flash has problems in "reliability, security and performance." I can't argue with this, having seen how Flash can bog down browsers in Mac OS X and Windows alike -- and having noted how often it requires security updates. But Jobs also argues that Adobe will never get Flash to perform well on phones. That will be easy enough to prove or disprove when Flash 10.1 ships for Android later this year -- if, of course, Adobe's development schedule doesn't slip further.

4. Flash kills battery life on mobile devices. Again, we'll see.

5. Flash is written for a computer's mouse and keyboard, making Flash-based interfaces unusable on a gadget that only offers touchscreen input without major revisions. So, Jobs asks, "If developers need to rewrite their Flash websites, why not use modern technologies like HTML5, CSS and JavaScript?" Oh, I don't know -- maybe because the interfaces in a lot of Flash widgets consist of little more than "play" and "pause" buttons?

6. Adobe's plans to allow developers to port Flash applications to the iPhone will lead to substandard iPhone software and give Adobe a stranglehold on iPhone development.

This last, longest argument is also the most dubious of the bunch. First, using Apple's own development tools will not stop you from shipping a weak app. Second, Jobs's melodramatic statement that "we cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers" implies that competition doesn't work in the App Store -- that customers won't be able to tell the difference between good and bad releases, and that Adobe's mind control will stop developers from switching from one toolkit to another. (Besides, Apple already reserves the right to reject App Store submissions for any reason at any time.)

Jobs then suggests that cross-platform development constitutes a recipe for "lowest common denominator" software that neglects features available only in one system. Victims of Microsoft's hideous Word 6 for Mac should agree with that, but so might users of Apple's Windows versions of iTunes, QuickTime and Safari, each of which exhibit non-standard interfaces and lag in their support of Windows-specific features. As a cure for that, Jobs seems to think that only operating-system developers should ever provide development tools.

He concludes with a gratuitous slam at Adobe for being "the last major third party developer to fully adopt Mac OS X" -- by which he means, to rewrite its software in the application framework Apple now prefers instead of the other two it endorsed until not that long ago. (2:59 p.m.: A friend pointed out that the Mac version of iTunes doesn't use that framework either; apparently Apple has yet to "fully adopt" Apple's operating system.)

But for all its questionable logic aside, Jobs's essay does make two things clear. If you have any interest in Flash compatibility in a mobile device, you're going to have to shop elsewhere; forget about waiting for Apple to support Flash. And if developers want to make their sites usable on Apple's mobile devices, they're going to have to switch to Web standards.

I disagree with some of Jobs's message today, but I can certainly endorse that last bit.

By Rob Pegoraro  |  April 29, 2010; 1:30 PM ET
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Why is this worthy of comment. Jobs is the head of a company competing with Adobe, and he has negative comments about his competitor. So what? You don't give this sort of coverage to other corporate titans who have negative views of their competitors, but Jobs seems to have some position that his words are treated like they are pronouncements from the gods.

Posted by: edwardallen54 | April 29, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Nice post, Rob. I like the healthy skepticism.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | April 29, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Just further proof that Adobe raped Steve Job's mother and killed his father, so now he seeks revenge...

Posted by: ozpunk | April 29, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Why do people care about what Steve Jobs thinks? iPhone is an inferior product with tons of restriction comparing to other smartphones, such as Blackberry, Android and Palm Pre. With iPhone,

1) you can't get your new ringtone without paying Apple

2) you can't load your favorite mp3 files without using iTune, which is a pain to use

3) you can't make your own wallpaper (sorry, you can't even paying Apple for this feature)

4) you have to ask Apple the permission to download any application

5) Need a spare battery? Sorry, you can't have one

6) Need to replace your aging battery? $79 at the Apple Store!

7) Oh I forgot, you will NEVER get Flash support

8) I can make this list all day long...

Apple is dictating every feature smartphone users take for granted. I know you can jail-break your iphone to work around the restriction, but why bother? There are many better products out in the market. Apple will eventually learn the same lesson as Sony used to restrict their own products.

Posted by: lalapopo | April 29, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

lalapopo: you can continue all day long to make your list, and people will continue buying iPhones. The reality is that people buy the iPhone because they like the apple experience: that is, a choice-free/worry-free existence. Most people don't like to think about their technology.

Posted by: bikes-everywhere | April 29, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Settle down. Jobs drew a line in the sand and has shunned third party programming since, well, forever.

Buying Apple products makes you a slave to them. That's the point, that's the game. If you like being forced into a box, Apple is for you.


Posted by: trident420 | April 29, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

OK, now substitute "Microsoft" for "Apple" and "Ballmer" for "Jobs" and just imagine the howling and righteous rage this would evoke.

Hypocrites.

Posted by: pookiefan | April 29, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh stop the sturm und drang. He just said he doesn't like the badly written Flash codec and is supporting the open-source-capable and better written HTML5 (and eventual HTML6) methods, as they integrate better.

The world didn't end - not unless you wrote a bad Flash app - and the authors of CafeWorld on FB should be drawn and quartered, cause that blows up all the time due to how badly it was written.

Posted by: WillSeattle | April 29, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Rob,

Love Apple's products. Not keen on some of their policies. But in the interest of accuracy:

You-- "But Jobs also argues that Adobe will never get Flash to perform well on phones."

Jobs-- "We think it will eventually ship, but we’re glad we didn’t hold our breath. Who knows how it will perform?"

By any objective standard those statements are not equivalent.

Posted by: webmeister | April 29, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't you love all the annoying, irritating, obnoxious moving ads that use Adobe Flash. I boycott anyone that uses moving, flashing, ads on websites.

Posted by: clairevb | April 29, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Web standards, what a joke from Apple. Is Quicktime necessary? It uses HTML, wow!

Posted by: uzs106 | April 29, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The crux of the matter is Mr. Jobs has a hard time making money with things he can't control.

Posted by: wcmillionairre | April 29, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Apropos to trident420's comment:

Job's complaint:
'Flash is "100% proprietary."'

Reminds me of some expression about kettles and pots.

Posted by: Wallenstein | April 29, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Rob, you might want to do a little research. The combination of HTML5/CSS3 and Javascript is capable of producing a lot more than just a play and pause button on a video frame.

"Adobe's plans to allow developers to port Flash applications to the iPhone will lead to substandard iPhone software and give Adobe a stranglehold on iPhone development."

Remember Code Warrior on Mac OS 9? Java "write once, run anywhere" (in theory) apps on pretty much any platform? Do we really want to go there again?

I don't blame Apple for taking the approach they're taking to development, and clearly neither does the market. We've seen the alternative, and it delivered Windows unto the world.

Posted by: AdmiralX | April 29, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Widespread adoption of HTML5 will really hurt Adobe's bottom line

Posted by: bernieleyton | April 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

To bikes-everywhere: "choice-free"? As far as I know in the capitalist society, more choice and competition are better.

No thank you, Apple. Since I am paying the money, I own the right to use the phone any way I want!

Posted by: lalapopo | April 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Rob for not drinking the Koolaid.

It's funny how Jobs talked about how Apple is moving towards the open HTML5 and raved about H.264 - a proprietary codec of the MPEG group. Why don't they support Theora?

Jobs complains about substandard apps - have you looked at half of the crap in the App store?

He claims that Flash is extremely vulnerable, but looks the other way when Safari is hacked first every year at pwn2own.

Adobe is a horrible company. Flash leaks memory like an empty bucket, their "open" flash player for linux is garbage, and they are lazy as charged. Stop being such a hypocrite Jobs.

Posted by: HokiePokie | April 29, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"iPhone is an inferior product with tons of restriction comparing to other smartphones, such as Blackberry"

I have a crapBerry and my husband has an iPhone. Trust me, the iPhone is easier to use and much less buggy than my POS. I'm not a big tech-geek, but I know I hate my crapBerry and wish I could get the iPhone with Verizon service. That's what I'm waiting for!

Posted by: talleyl | April 29, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know Jobs was out again. When was he released? Somehow I have managed to live a normal life and be in contact and as productive as I want to be without ever owning an Apple product and I intend to keep it that way.

Posted by: chopin224 | April 29, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Hulu may run with Flash, but performance is definitely an issue. Netflix, which runs with Silverlight, seems to work much better for me. I would really like to see a comparison of Silverlight and Flash. Also, will iPod, iTouch, and iPad support Silverlight?

Posted by: kimk1 | April 29, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Jobs, otherwise know as the iME is a megalomaniac. Ever seen the Pirates of Silicon Valley? He came off as a less than honest, less than desirable, less than responsible person who denied his own daughter for years. Having said that his products are way over priced and of limited use. This last eruption at Adobe may have come during one of his LSD FLASHbacks. LOL

Posted by: chopin224 | April 29, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Jobs is becoming the Doctor House of the web--an extremely bright and successful curmudgeon!

I love Apple and own many Apple products, but what bothers me is that even if Adobe were to ship an iPhone-compatible, efficient Flash plug-in for the iPhone, Jobs doesn't sound like he would be willing to consider it.

Still, Apple is always an interesting and inventive company to follow.

Posted by: irasciblecurmudgeon | April 29, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Apple has outdone many competitors by the quality and brilliant design of their products. Jobs is responsible in great part. He knows what he is doing. He has helped to save the world from the Monopoly who has retarded computing and the internet for decades. Do you think it wouldn't have preferred Silverblight over Flash?

Flash is dominant in its field. If Apple would cave, they would have overwhelming dominance. They could then start charging more and setting conditions on who could use Flash and what content could go on it. So thank Apple for doing what our governments won't --preventing monopoly abuse. Apple leaves us with a choice - HTML5. It is Open. Anyone can use it. If it takes over the internet, everyone can use it - put up content in it and connect to it. You don't have to use Apple products to connect to HTML5 material just because they do it best.

Posted by: toquasin | April 29, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Rob,
While I applaud your article, I am a bit surprised you are being so gentle on Mr. Jobs.
Flash Lite is available of millions of Nokia smartphones and it just works in both Symbian and Maemo devices. And yes, you _can_ watch Youtube on almost all Nokia smartphones, though admittedly not Hulu. I haven't heard any Nokia users complain about security or battery performance as a result of browsing Flash enriched websites.

Posted by: TheYoungBuddha | April 29, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Jobs to Apple users: We know what's best for you.

Ah, the irony of the "1984" ad.

Posted by: Wallenstein | April 29, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@TheYoungBuddha,

If you've followed Rob for any length of time, you'd know that he's never heard of Nokia.

Posted by: Wallenstein | April 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Apple is not "in competition" with Adobe. What a ridiculous thing to say.

These companies do completely different things and often complement one another.

For one, I know for a fact that the platform of choice at Adobe is and always has been Macs. And Apple's OS X is fully integrated with a number of Adobe technologies, most especially, PDF.

Posted by: brickerd | April 29, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

clairvb wrote:

"Don't you love all the annoying, irritating, obnoxious moving ads that use Adobe Flash. I boycott anyone that uses moving, flashing, ads on websites."

Yes, and of course if and when html5 takes over from Flash, the sensibilities of marketing people everywhere will undergo a magical transformation, and they will not use html5 to implement fidgeting animations to desperately try to get your attention (even though its proponents say it will be perfectly able to).

Oh look! Another flying pig! And now another one that looks like the Brooklyn Bridge!

Honestly, some of this Flash Hate is just so absurd that it becomes amusing.

Posted by: B2O2 | April 29, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Adobe board should fire its CEO and the senior management team. For any large software company, Apple is a major client. Adobe has consistently ignored Apple and given most attention to the Windows platform. This may be due to the fact that many Adobe engineers (notably from India) learned computing on MSDOS and Windows computers and they do not really understand or appreciate Apple's approach to computing. If every platform adopts Flash, guess who will benefit from this monopoly. Those people who attack Apple (basically PC diehards) should understand that Jobs is doing a great favor to the future of computing by opening web development through tools on which no one has a monopoly control.
Adobe CEO is also playing politics by joining hands with Google in attacking Apple products and systems. This gentleman does not know how to run a large business corporation. The number one task of a CEO is to build bridges and understand concerns of clients and not play partisan games.What a shame!

Posted by: ithinker | April 29, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

News flash! Pot calls kettle black!
The definition of "proprietary" is "Apple," right down to their batteries.

Posted by: GaryJean | April 29, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Boo hoo hoo. Facts are facts... Apple is handing the rest of the smartphone world its lunch. Can you say second only to Exxon in market cap? Nuff said.

Posted by: rg019571 | April 29, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Read someplace that Larry Ellison and Steve Jobs are close friends. Now that Oracle IS Adobe, can this friendship last? There'll be a feud in Woodside, no swimmin' in each others' See-ment ponds.

Posted by: featheredge99 | April 29, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

umm, folks, don't forget this is Apple - the company that just had the cops raid Gizmodo and cart away the guy's entire electronics (probably down to the baby monitor). I'm becoming less of an appleyte by the minute...

Posted by: Omyobama | April 29, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's just hilarious. Let me boil it down. "Flash sucks, the interface is terrible and it will never work properly on the iPhone/iPad. And if we let people use it, it would dominate all our platforms and we'd be completely at Adobe's mercy!"

And, I'm sorry, but Apple complaining about some company being "100% proprietary" sounds like something the Onion would make up.

Posted by: anon99 | April 29, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Of course Jobs writes a rant against Flash - would you expect anything else. One of the criticisms of the overhyped IPad is that it doesn't integrate with Flash. Certainly, some of the criticisms of Flash are valid, just as there are valid criticisms of some of the Apple software. The crux of the matter is that Jobs does not control Adobe, and anything that he doesn't have control over that people may want on an Apple product he trashes. The argument that Flash is "proprietary" is completely laughable. Most Apple stuff is proprietary. Let's face it, Jobs wants any Apple user to only use his products or products that Apple will somehow earn fees directly or through licensing. If he is so concerned with the consumer, why can't you add memory to an IPHone without sending it to Apple and paying them? Why can't you insert a new battery in an IPod without sending it to Apple and paying them? It's all about control and profit, nothing more. Jobs is an egomaniac, albeit a creative one, who thinks the tech world should revolve around him.

Posted by: fwillyhess | April 29, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Rob wrote:
"3. Flash has problems in "reliability, security and performance." I can't argue with this, having seen how Flash can bog down browsers in Mac OS X and Windows alike -- and having noted how often it requires security updates. But Jobs also argues that Adobe will never get Flash to perform well on phones. That will be easy enough to prove or disprove when Flash 10.1 ships for Android later this year -- if, of course, Adobe's development schedule doesn't slip further."

What Jobs actually wrote: "In addition, Flash has not performed well on mobile devices. We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2009, then the second half of 2009, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010. We think it will eventually ship, but we’re glad we didn’t hold our breath. Who knows how it will perform?"

Rob: Jobs didn't say that Adobe will never "get Flash to perform well on phones." He said we've never seen it.

All you had to do was copy, like I did. I'm not even going to bother correcting your other stuff. Why don't you try to BE ACCURATE IN YOUR REPORTING. You don't like Apple or the iPad fine. But be accurate.

Buddha "Rob,
While I applaud your article, I am a bit surprised you are being so gentle on Mr. Jobs.
Flash Lite is available of millions of Nokia smartphones and it just works in both Symbian and Maemo devices. And yes, you _can_ watch Youtube on almost all Nokia smartphones, though admittedly not Hulu. I haven't heard any Nokia users complain about security or battery performance as a result of browsing Flash enriched websites"

Because Flash lite is NOT flash. It is a subset and supports older runtimes to boot. You can run Youtube on an iPhone. Neither can run Hulu. The only full blown flash we've seen in JooJoo and it is choppy and halves the battery life.

Posted by: eternalemperor | April 29, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate your thoughtful and fair article.

It does cross my mind that when people less exalted than Mr. Jobs say the stuff he says, we tend to use phrases other than "head-scratching moments," "dubious," and "questionable logic."

"Lies" seems closer.

Posted by: bcamarda2 | April 29, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Adobe apologizes for 16-month-old Flash bug Crash vulnerability 'slipped through the cracks,' admits company manager http://tinyurl.com/yd3xhw7

Forrester Research analyst James McQuivey says that with all of the criticism about the strain on AT&T's 3G network, Apple is better off not offering Flash support.

"It would kill the network," he says. "People would be watching all day. Maybe two years from now, they could handle the traffic, but not now." (2009)

JOBS KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING...

Flash is cr@p... checking my CPU usage, sometimes the Flash Player Plugin takes 55% up to 93% of my CPU... it's cr@p.

Posted by: kkrimmer | April 29, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

It's clearly a power play, but having lived on the receiving end of "cross-platform development" for over a decade, I have no problem with keeping the Flash environment off the iPhone.

Posted by: cbum1 | April 29, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse


"Apple's CEO has a few head-scratching moments in his "Thoughts on Flash."

Essentially what all this means is that Adobe refused to give Mr. Jobs enough concessions to install the application on the iPad.

Can someone contact DOJ about this obvious antitrust issue that everyone else seems to be ignoring?

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | April 29, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

adobe flash does not work in the windows 64 environment...shame i agree with jobs

Posted by: dskelly1 | April 29, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

First off, to the Silverlight question, I doubt the iPhone, etc, will support that either. They also don't support Java applets.

To answer some points:

1) you can't get your new ringtone without paying Apple - wrong; if you have DRM-less music, like burned from a CD, you can make ringtones from it. On a Mac, I used GarageBand (comes with the Mac), and I'm sure there's a PC equivalent.

2) you can't load your favorite mp3 files without using iTune, which is a pain to use - true, but you also need iTunes to register and activate the devices anyway, as well as sync apps, movies, etc

3) you can't make your own wallpaper (sorry, you can't even paying Apple for this feature) - wrong, any image in your photos can be used as wallpaper; the iPad and upcoming iPhone OS4 let you set separate wallpapers for the lock screen and main background

4) you have to ask Apple the permission to download any application - if you mean you can only get apps from their App Store, then yes

5) Need a spare battery? Sorry, you can't have one - a full battery no, but there are battery packs that plug into the connector that give you extra battery life

6) Need to replace your aging battery? $79 at the Apple Store! - what does it cost to replace an aging battery in other phones?

7) Oh I forgot, you will NEVER get Flash support - I can use my iPad 95-plus percent of the time and not realize I'm missing anything. Netflix has a free app, YouTube has a built-in app, and Hulu is rumored to be working up an app.

Posted by: kmcandrew | April 29, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Good for Steve. I've always hated Flash, which generally falls into the "Stupid Tricks for Humans" category. Any company or person that has a flash-based splash screen ought to have every computer they have infected with MegaVirus from Hell. I understand that Adobe is not responsible for idiot developers, but his other points generally seem valid, given his strategy to develop a closed environment. That can be debated, but not the worth of Flash.

Posted by: nick4 | April 29, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Two points:

1."web standards" I guess mean HTML 5, which is YEARS AWAY from being widely adopted. Heck, W3C has not finished drafting the standard. Current HTML 4 doesn't do any of the things Flash can do.
So jobs is essentially blowing everyone off with a fake alternative.

2. H.264 video is not open source at all. It is patented. In fact, both MS and apple are in the patent pool, so would presumably get royalties.

Apple is pusuring a heavily censored walled garden that maximizes their profit by making you by EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF SOFTWARE from them. It's just a terrible deal. Even Mac OSX isn't locked down like that.

Posted by: info23 | April 29, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

p.s. I guess the worst part about Steve Jobs is one clown telling the world what software it should use. If we the people don't like Flash, we can uninstall it. But why should Steve Jobs be the "decider" of what software is good or bad?? Not that long ago, he also declared that "nobody uses Java anymore". Yeah, right.

Posted by: info23 | April 29, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Steve Jobs got rid of floppy discs on Macs that he was roundly criticized. The Wall Street Journal called him crazy to go into retail with Apple Stores. And from the iPhone to the iPad, he had been told he was making a big mistake. All of this is either jealousy, ignorance, or simply people wanting to see him fail. But he absolutely right about Flash. It is dead already. Everyone I know is adopting HTML 5 already.

And look at the rubbish reading your column! People calling Jobs a clown. What serious man or woman today make such a comment as Jobs has taken Apple from near death to the top of business companies in the U.S. (It's market value is already 3rd highest in the country, behind only Microsoft and Exxon, with Microsoft soon to be eclipsed.) Get with it people. Too many of you are so 20th century!

Posted by: Bi1lMe | April 29, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

So much angst about this... but on the upside, at least nobody's made any Nazi analogies.

@webmeister: If you're interpreting Jobs' statements about Flash on mobile as a vote of confidence and not an obvious suggestion that it won't work, you have a different interpretation than I do. Which is, of course, your right.

@AdmiralX: I didn't say that HTML5 could only do play/pause buttons (see Virgin America's home page for a great example of what it can do). I did say that a lot of Flash animations only involve play/pause buttons, and so don't need any rewrite to be usable on a mobile device.

@irasciblecurmudgeon: I like that Dr. House comparison.

@TheYoungBuddha: Flash Lite only plays a subset of Flash content. I'm pretty sure that people complaining that they don't get "the whole Web" on a Flash-less iPad would voice about the same complaint if the iPad ran Flash Lite.

@Wallenstein: Are you sure?

@kmcandrew: DoubleTwist offers partial media-sync support for the iPhone.

While I have my remaining two readers' attention, let me recommend these other recaps of the situation:

* Flash developer Jesse Warden provides a detailed rebuttal of Jobs' descriptions of how Flash works.

* Veteran tech journalist Glenn Fleishman unpacks the arguments of Apple and Adobe and finds the former's more persuasive.

- RP


Posted by: Rob Pegoraro | April 29, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Is it because Apple did not develop it?
I have a Wndows phone and it has FlashLite in it. No problem viewing YouTube and other video sites.

Posted by: docchari | April 30, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

I unfortunately was drinking my coffee and ejected it out my nose in an uncontrollable fit of laughter when I read that Apple was disallowing Flash because it is proprietary.

Seldom has any pot more dramatically accused a kettle of being black. Apple is the undisputed monarch of proprietaryland, and in no area of its iron-fisted control does it exercise its control in a more draconian fashion than its approval of i-Phone apps.

But I admittedly recognize that I am being a bit of a hypocrite here in complaining about Apple's rejection of something because its development is kept tightly proprietary. I myself reject Apple products and services on precisely those same grounds, and I strongly urge others to do likewise. Since Apple evidently believes likewise, will they join me in urging customers of computers, cell phones, and music players to reject proprietary hardware?

Somehow I doubt it.

Posted by: FergusonFoont | April 30, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

There are several debatable points in Mr Jobs' post. But I don't see how one can argue with two of Steve's points:

1. Hardware decoding is faster and more efficient than software. This is a basic fact of computing since day one. Before you add your two cents you are obligated to offer evidence in support of your claims. Apple has provided the hard data.
2. Testing on mobile devices running the same video last twice as long (10hrs vs 5hrs) with h.264 than Flash. Did you do the same test? Seems easy enough to confirm/deny.

It's apparent you're in the MS/Adobe fold so I take all your posts in this light. No offense but your criticisms come off highly biased.

Posted by: imike1 | April 30, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Jobs crying about something his company is all about...Totalitarianismdominationgiganticusonlycomethroughusifyouwantmyproductus. What a joke...

Posted by: cbmuzik | April 30, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

@imike1: Could you please compare notes with @RickG5 and tell me whose pocket I'm supposed to be in, Apple or Microsoft's? Thanks... that'd be really great.

- R

Posted by: Rob Pegoraro | April 30, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

@kmcandrew--I don't own an iPhone and doubt I will until it runs on other than AT&T networds. But in response to #5 & #6 on your list, I did get a replacement battery for my DROID on line for about $15 and chargers and USB cables to connect to it pretty darn cheap as well.

Posted by: ramgut | April 30, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Personally, I've had a problem with Adobe's bloatware for ages. I hate the way their software is a security nightmare, and I can't wait until it's no longer assumed you have Flash or Reader on your computer. My opinion far predates Jobs' recent stance on Flash. He's right that Adobe is arrogant, and the way they do business needs to change.

Posted by: krazykat23 | April 30, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Jobs is so drunk on KoolAid that he fails to see he has become a caricature. Swearing out warrants for police to burst into people's homes (um, Nurse Ratched calls and has your meds prepped; or allowing Apple to *censor* perfectly fine content like Pulitzer prize-winning editorial cartoons. They have made other bad censorship calls, more than a dozen times.
Jobs is unfamiliar with the first amendment and feels free to appoint his followers, er, employees, as Deciders.
What a hoot. And now - a dressing down of a competitior. Not only should they lose in the marketplace but it is horrible that they even exist. Wah Wah.
Jobs: please retire. You are making a fool of yourself and your board should sober up and insert a functioning adult in your place.

Posted by: FloridaChick | April 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, Jobs complains that Flash is "100% proprietary." This is the Steve Jobs who heads Apple - right?

Posted by: ancientdude | April 30, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Widespread adoption of HTML5 will really hurt Adobe's bottom line

Posted by: bernieleyton
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ummmm...duh!

Posted by: anti-elitist | April 30, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I find Adobe Acrobat quirky enough that when Steve talks about Flash-related MAC crashes, I can relate. I don't disagree with Rob, but Adobe already had me a little ticked off, so I am going to so with Steve on this one.

Oh, yeah, I just remembered. I have about $200 worth of old Amazon PDF e-books (pre-Kindle) that both Amazon and Adobe jerked me around on regarding the authentication, and now they are worthless. (Neither one wanted to take responsibility.)

Yeah, Steve it is.

Posted by: HoosierFavoriteCommenter | April 30, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, no sell. He wants to own the software used on his little closed system, and he is getting increasingly greedy. He just wants to slam a successful competitor.

Posted by: larry9 | April 30, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

@kmcandrew: Why is iPhone an inferior product? Let me explain further.

1 & 2) I agree. iTune is simply a pain to use especially if you are managing thousands of songs. There is better software out there, such as Winamp (my favorite)

3) Wallpaper is a standard feature since the first day camera phone was introduced. It took Apple 3 years to figure it out and they call it a "new" feature.

4) Without Apple's permission, third party cannot post their apps even for free. There is no such restriction for any other Smartphone I know.

5 & 6) For less than $30 (much less if you buy online), you can get spare battery for any phone. For iPhone user, Apple wants you to hook up a bulky battery pack.

7) Admit it. As of today, flash is a de-facto standard in web development. It may lose the favor over time, but it will be here at least the next few years. As a hardware manufacture, Apple does not own the right to tell the end-user what software he/she can use.

Apple is successful in terms of marketing which can convenience people paying a premium price for inferior product!

Posted by: lalapopo | April 30, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Flash runs slowly and is a CPU hog on my Macs. I can understand how Apple doesn't want to be dependent on a third-party application.

Posted by: steve1231 | April 30, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

We are small potatoes; only operate 27 Macs. 20 PCs. This "discussion" is boring (to us). Flash, as well as other Adobe software, are the biggest memory hogs, and, causes of freezes & crashess. Period. Irrespective of Jobs' comments, or, anyone else's. We find everything about Adobe unfriendly. Everything. We use Adobe when we "have" to. No more, no less: their head mucka-muck (tacitly) admitted as much in his WSJ published "interview"; he blames it on the Mac OS, hah-hah.

Posted by: craigslsst | April 30, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't like Adobe Flash, either; or anything else made by Adobe, for that matter. I also don't like Apple.

Where does that leave me?

[Try, happy!]

Posted by: thrh | April 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

AdmiralX, you couldn't be more wrong about CodeWarrior on OS 9. That was a superb IDE which puts XCode to shame. Many great apps were developed using CodeWarrior...

Posted by: jerkhoff | May 3, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks Steve jobs and Apple are the arbiter of good taste deserves to be subjected to the whims of apple. It's as simple as that. If this was Microsoft dictating to developers which toolkit they can use to develop Windows apps, I am sure the outcry will be huge. But because Apple fandom is so dominant in the tech world, everyone had drunk the koolaid.

Did you know that you can't activate and use an iPad until you physically connect it to another computer running iTunes? How bizarre is that? But non of the slavishly salivating "reviews" tell you that.

Posted by: tundey | May 3, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

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