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Bill to Rename Dept. of Navy Picks Up New Support

By Ed O'Keefe

A House bill that would change the name of the Department of the Navy to the Department of the Navy and Marine Corps has earned more than 200 co-sponsors and similar renaming efforts are underway in the Senate.

Dept. of Navy
This seal would get a redesign if certain House and Senate proposals advance.

Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) introduced the bill and has introduced similar legislation in every congressional session since 2001. As Jones told The Eye when he introduced the latest efforts in January, "The Navy and Marine Corps always sell themselves before Congress as 'one fighting team,'" Jones said. “If you're one team, then why isn’t the team's name Navy and Marine Corps?”

Jones, whose district includes the Camp Lejeune Marine Corps base, also said a name change would extend a courtesy to the families of Marines killed in action who currently receive condolence letters printed on Department of the Navy letterhead and begin with the sentence, "On behalf of the Department of the Navy..." with no explicit mention of the Marine Corps anywhere in the letter.

Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) has introduced a similar bill in the Senate. Both bills have been referred to their chambers' respective armed services committees. No word yet on when (or if) they might come up for a vote.

By Ed O'Keefe  | April 7, 2009; 6:20 AM ET
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Thank you, Rep. Jones.

USMC (ret)

Posted by: furtdw | April 7, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

In this economic and financial times: "JUST WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE IDIOTS TRYING TO DO"? Have they examined HOW MUCH MONEY IT WOULD TAKE TO CHANGE ALL THE NAMES, CRESTS, INSIGNIAS AND ALL THE OTHER TRAPPINGS? If this is all the legislators have to do, why don't they quit their day job and start building OUTHOUSES in their districts to save energy?

Posted by: eagle55 | April 7, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

The Navy and the Marines operate on pride. Take away their individual pride and destroy what has made each force the best fighting forces on the planet.
Why do these people want to abandon what has worked for this country... to get their name on a bill?
We are seeing dumb and dumber all over the news today. No missile defense programs worth saving. No air superiority worth saving. Just pour trillions into banks and insurance companies and bonuses for executives. Our health system is going to be ruined. The Government is taking over private industry and issuing threats directly from the President. This country is going to hell and soon.

Posted by: mharwick | April 7, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

What a waste. All of the problems in this world, and this is what we waste our time on--changing a name. Horrible timing, people.

Posted by: JeffreyW75 | April 7, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

If there is support for this from both the Navy and from the Marine Corps, then do it. It should come from those branches of the military, not from Congress, per se.

But in doing it, please be fiscally responsible and do not throw out forms, letterhead, etc. Insist that existing stocks and supplies be used until gone. And that there be no rush to replace signage and other trivial things all at once.

P.S. Where does the Coast Guard fit in? Are they Homeland Security now? Aren't they the orphaned and forgotten armed service? Just a though.

P.P.S. Be careful with these, or else pretty soon, these agencies are going to start looking sillier than Metro's ridiculous "U Street/African-American Civil War Memorial/Cardozo"

Posted by: rpike | April 7, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Done correctly, there need be little extra cost. Seals, letterheads, etc all need to be replenished whether or not they change. If the bill passes, then Congress should stipulate or the Navy decree that all current seals, letterheads be used up but prohibit any reordering except for the new ones. One small exception could be made for the death notices letterhead.
The cost will be less than all the money wasted when Bush changed both Customs and Immigration to ICE and out of Treasury to Homeland Security. I must have missed the angry posts about that fiasco

Posted by: charm2017 | April 7, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

mharwick | April 7, 2009 8:33 AM wrote:

"The Navy and the Marines operate on pride. Take away their individual pride and destroy what has made each force the best fighting forces on the planet.
Why do these people want to abandon what has worked for this country... to get their name on a bill?
We are seeing dumb and dumber all over the news today. No missile defense programs worth saving. No air superiority worth saving. Just pour trillions into banks and insurance companies and bonuses for executives. Our health system is going to be ruined. The Government is taking over private industry and issuing threats directly from the President. This country is going to hell and soon."
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mharwick: In case you have been vacationing out of the country for the past 8 years, you'd know that we have been in "Hell" for a long time.

You mentioned no money for air-superiority in your argument, but I ask you, Have you some inside knowledge that we don't regarding the viability of the F-22 program that has experienced cost overruns in the BILLIONS and is still not up to required standards? The cost per plane has nearly doubled. Why is that?

I don't agree with all the actions taken in the banking sector, because he should've gone further and fired executives of the failed banks who clearly were doing shady business.

To go back to my original point, because we had a former president who made many bad POLICY decisions with pretty much no explanation to the people, you seem to be in denial about the true state of the Union prior to the election of Obama.

Hell can't freeze over in 3 months, because it took decades to get the fires burning...

Posted by: Just_An_Observer | April 7, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

It would be easier to add to the condolence letter "On behalf of the Secretary of the Navy and the Commandant of the United States Marine Corps.."

Posted by: michaelbindner | April 7, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

It won't fit on the seal. That's shorthand for it cost to darn much right now.

Posted by: Penumbras | April 7, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

re charm2017 above:
Small point, but although Customs was part of Treasury, Immigration and Naturalization was part of Justice.

Posted by: whall42 | April 7, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse


the apostle John Kendrick in a few good men

"when we have to go fight, you guys always give us a ride"......


Well then, what is going to happen to all the HR1 money that was GIVEN to the individual departments? Combining all the money too?
Figures - you know money always gets lost in these "mergers".

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Kudos to michaelbinder for coming up with a simple solution that doesn't burden the taxpayer. Another potential solution is to have the condolence letters for all services signed by the President to recognize their sacrifice and give the President a constant reminder of the impact of his decisions.

Posted by: bigtom6156 | April 7, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

THIS SOUNDS LIKE MORE STUPID USE OF TAX AND TIME.
WHO DOES THIS BENEFIT?
IS THIS JUST ANOTHER GOP THING TO GET THEIR NAME ON SOMETHING?
ARE THE MARINES WHO ARE KNOWN TO FIGHT ON LAND, NOW GOING TO FIGHT FROM SHIPS?
WHY NOT ADD THE AIRFORCE SINCE I DO SEE NAVY PLANES ON SHIPS BUT THEN AGAIN, WHEN THE NAVY PULLS OUT FIRST, AS THEY USUALLY DO, THEN WHO LEADS THE MARINES AND AIRMAN.

CAN'T WE JUST HAVE IT STAY THE SAME? THERE ARE MANY MORE PROBLEMS TO WORK OUT OR ARE THEY TOO BIG FOR THE OLD GUYS TO GET THEIR MINDS AROUND?

Posted by: sm98yth | April 7, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse


hey, what's this say for "the code"...
((hearty grins)))

what's the code now?

UNIT CORE GOD COUNTRY-- AND A BOAT ???

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 7, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

gonna have alot of sea-sick marines.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | April 7, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

OMFG.

What a complete and total waste of time.

Posted by: SwellLevel5 | April 7, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

This is the second dumbest idea I've heard in years. As a former sailor (HM) who served four tours with the Marines, I feel at least as qualified as anyone else to ask why anyone would want to abolish a couple of hundred years of important, hard won and beloved tradition. You want to make the Marines and their dependents feel better? Take the huge amount of money this would cost and increase their BAQ. Idiots. Obviously there wasn't a squid or grunt in the bunch.

Posted by: tim54 | April 7, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

please name all 200 of the idiot cosponsors so I can tell if the are my representatives. Evidently they are out of touch and need to be retired. What a waste of breath.

Posted by: mjwalsh | April 7, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Here is a list of the politicians who want to waste our tax dollars when our country needs help in saving our people.
Rep. Walter Jones [R-NC]
Cosponsors [as of 2009-03-07]
Rep. John Kline [R-MN]
Del. Madeleine Bordallo [D-GU]
Rep. John Mica [R-FL]
Rep. Roscoe Bartlett [R-MD]
Rep. Ronald Paul [R-TX]
Rep. Paul Broun [R-GA]
Rep. Ken Calvert [R-CA]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. George Butterfield [D-NC]
Rep. John Tanner [D-TN]
Rep. Judy Biggert [R-IL]
Rep. Barton Gordon [D-TN]
Rep. Gene Taylor [D-MS]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. William Delahunt [D-MA]
Rep. Howard Coble [R-NC]
Rep. James Forbes [R-VA]
Rep. Bobby Rush [D-IL]
Rep. Alan Mollohan [D-WV]
Rep. Jerry Moran [R-KS]
Rep. Mike McIntyre [D-NC]
Rep. Candice Miller [R-MI]
Rep. Henry Brown [R-SC]
Rep. James Barrett [R-SC]
Rep. Robert Brady [D-PA]
Rep. James Moran [D-VA]
Rep. William Shuster [R-PA]
Rep. Louis Gohmert [R-TX]
Rep. Edward Whitfield [R-KY]
Rep. Ted Poe [R-TX]
Rep. Ellen Tauscher [D-CA]
Rep. Addison Wilson [R-SC]
Rep. John Shimkus [R-IL]
Rep. Michael Doyle [D-PA]
Rep. Brian Baird [D-WA]
Rep. Duncan Hunter [R-CA]
Rep. Michael Rogers [R-AL]
Rep. William Pascrell [D-NJ]
Rep. Zoe Lofgren [D-CA]
Rep. Rob Wittman [R-VA]

Posted by: clayusnr | April 8, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

United States Constitution: article I, Section 8: "The Congress shall have Power To provide and maintain a Navy".
By changing the name to separate the service identity of the Marines from the Navy, could be a possible problem with which this congress or future congresses see as their duty, to a lesser proportion, to provide for the service of the Marines. With the Marines being part of the Navy, the Marines hold the same honor of support as the Navy by the Constitution.

Posted by: dj_ingraham | April 8, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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