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Eye Opener: Does Holocaust Shooting Validate Homeland Security Report?

By Ed O'Keefe



A security guard cries outside the Holocaust Memorial Museum on Wednesday following a deadly shooting. (Post)

Eye Opener

Happy Thursday! Did that controversial Homeland Security report on right-wing extremists (pdf) get it right? Several bloggers, commentators and news reports suggest it did, accurately predicting the deadly shooting at the Holocaust Museum.

"Civil rights activists say a string of recent attacks blamed on right-wing extremists, including Wednesday’s shooting at the Holocaust Museum, show that conservative critics were too quick to fault the Department of Homeland Security over an April report warning about the potential for such violence," reports Politico.

(Leave your thoughts in the comments section below.)

Homeland Security's Office of Intelligence and Analysis distributed the report (pdf) to state and local law enforcement on April 7. It regularly publishes intelligence analyses on domestic and international threats to the nation’s borders and infrastructure.

Though the report did not cite specific threats, it suggested that “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

Secretary Janet Napolitano later apologized directly to veterans' groups, admitting the report's language unfairly characterized military servicemembers.

Yesterday's shooter, James W. von Brunn, was a military veteran and professed white supremacist with elaborate conspiracy theories and an active Web site. An acquaintance said von Brunn thought his Social Security benefits had been cut as a direct result of government officials tracking his activities.

The DHS report explicitly addressed white supremacists, writing that, "Threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn -- including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit -- could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past."

"In the past two weeks, the country has seen the bombing of a Starbucks coffee shop in New York City, the arrest of four men for allegedly plotting to blow up synagogues and shoot down planes, the shooting of two soldiers at an Army recruitment center in Arkansas, the assassination of a doctor inside a Kansas church, and the shooting at the Holocaust Museum," writes Alex Kingsbury of U.S. News and World Report. "Although these are not all cases of right-wing extremism, each is an example of domestic terrorism."

As CBS' Charles Cooper wrote yesterday afternoon, "Connecting the dots is guaranteed to be a contentious, if not fraught exercise. But as the news filtered out, some liberal bloggers did not hesitate to draw conclusions."

A sampling:

"I hope that everyone who mau-maued the Department of Homeland Security for expressing concern about this kind of thing feels appropriately ashamed of themselves," Matthew Yglesias wrote.

"The Republican hysteria over the DHS report -- which was, by the way, initiated by a Bush administration official -- was always based more on a partisan scheme than reality, but the incessant complaints look especially misguided today," writes Washington Monthly's Steve Benen.

Talking Points Memo took a more fact-driven path, lining up evidence it suggests validates the report's findings.

But blogger Matthew Vadum called these allegations "the worst kind of smear" and "par for the course for the left."

"None of this changes the fact that Napolitano's politically motivated directive was wrong then and remains wrong now," he wrote, stating later that the report "was a malicious un-American smear calculated to ridicule and intimidate opponents of the left's policy goals."

Still, one wonders what it will be like around the Office of Intelligence and Analysis today.

Leave your thoughts in the comments section below.

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By Ed O'Keefe  | June 11, 2009; 6:15 AM ET
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"In the past two weeks, the country has seen the bombing of a Starbucks coffee shop in New York City, the arrest of four men for allegedly plotting to blow up synagogues and shoot down planes, the shooting of two soldiers at an Army recruitment center in Arkansas, the assassination of a doctor inside a Kansas church, and the shooting at the Holocaust Museum,"

So that's 3 for the left/Islam, and two for the "right". In fact, each of these acts was committed by an individual. This is the sound evidentiary basis for tarring millions of veterans and/or conservatives with guilt by assciation?

If you are so ready to tar all "rightist" dissidents as potential terrorists by association, I'm sure you are equally ready to tar all American Muslims as potential terrorists, hmmm?

Don't break your arm patting yourselves on the back, "progressives". Seems like only yesterday that dissent was deemed "the highest form of patriotism".


Posted by: HarryP | June 11, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Even a broken clock is right two times a day. There have been several high profile shootings recently. Several regarding spouses killing their entire families and themselves. People whose profiles are in no way defined in the DHS memo.

Recent experiences only affirm that the memo more likely causes undue focus on some subsets of society, while leaving others unregarded. Others that are just as dangerous and unstable in an economic recession.

Specifically focusing on any group in this climate is disingenuous, and missed the larger issue of poverty induced crime across nearly all social types, during a long term recession.

Posted by: japov | June 11, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Washington has itself to blame. We have armed a nation of lunatics under the guise of the 2nd amendment.

Our new government has become the NRA. Good luck getting it back thanks to our greedy senators, reps, governors, and presidents who sold out the safety of the American public to a killing machine.

Stop being such a nilly Obama, it's time to unarm the looney tunes of this country. We put you in office to stop the extremism, not to pretend you don't see it.

Posted by: MichelleH | June 11, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

The man was insane. Is the implication that all "rightwing extremists" are insane? Is the implication that anyone who disagrees with Ms. Napolitano and The Fuehrer an insane "rightwing extremist"? It all sounds so much the Soviet Union. If you disagree with the Obama, then you must be insane.

Posted by: Mainer1776 | June 11, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

What a bunch of left wing extremeist rubbish! More fodder for the bathroom.

Posted by: bjbergy | June 11, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

You have absolutely got to be kidding me. It's a far stretch to connect these dots. Let me see, we've got an unsolved crime but 2 kids seen running away from the Starbucks in NY before the bomb went off, terrorists plotting to blow up airplanes and synagogues, an Islamic terrorist killing a military recruiter with the rank of Private, a hysterical pro lifer with a history of mental disorder, and an 89 year old professed Nazi white supremacist sympathizer. Yep, sounds like them Republicans are at it again!

This article is a joke. Why don't those of you who are supposed to be the 4th branch of government and great protectors of free speech out there reporting the news as it is? I heard a great deal about the abortion doctor's killing and will likely hear about the Holocaust Museum slaying for weeks on end, but the media almost completely ignored the military recruiter killing, and I NEVER even heard about the 4 who were arrested for plotting to blow up the synagogues and planes, and I read the paper and online news services every day. Get with it, the real enemy is the Islomo-fascists out there. Yet, you in the press pretend this nation is full of white supremacist, gun toting nuts just waiting for a reason to go off.

Is there any wonder why the traditional broadcast news channels are losing TV share and so many newspapers are teetering on the brink of bankruptcy? Americans are not blind to your agenda.

Posted by: KevinfromBuffaloNY | June 11, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

"Does Holocaust Shooting Validate Homeland Security Report?"

It does if you want it to badly enough...

The bleeding heart, "professional victim" liberals in our society who regularly gather at Starbucks to profess their superiority (and who would prefer not to be bothered by such mundane things in life as earning a living), would like very much to paint all non-socialistic financially successful Americans as wicked cheats in this latest round of the "successful vs. the choose to have nots".

In reality, the libs have not succeeded at much in life (except controlling the state run media and taking others' hard earned money away to spend on trying to rectify their own poor choices).

Here's what keeps me laughing though: The more the shrieking libs keep demanding (and getting) money via government shakedowns, the more likely it is that the very people who get up early, and are successful, will pull back, shelter their money, and let the economy shrivel up even more.

Eventually, the pain will grow to be too great for those that don't want to rely on government (liberal) "wisdom" and handouts. Americans will tire of this garbage (a la 1980), and we'll be able to get the nation back to WORK (vs. abetting a land of handouts to reward those who choose to make crappy life decisions on a daily basis).

'Nuf said.

Posted by: colofalcon | June 11, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans played their usual game of playing up a non issue and then expressing mock outrage over it. Now they look dumb for it.

It shows how cheap and petty the Republicans have become. Plus so many on the right are so filled with hate I don' think these assassinations really bother them.

Posted by: dpand1 | June 11, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

There is no doubt that right wing extremists are a danger to innocent citizens. The most extreme example is the Oklahoma City bombing, but there are many other examples some of which we have seen in the last few weeks. You have people like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and others who are fanning the fires of hatred solely for personal gain. These people are a threat to our safety. I think we should start a boycott of any product that advertises on the hate mongers shows. It is time for the majority of rational and patriotic citizens to take a stand. History tells us that these radicals need to be dealt with now so that we don't repeat the mistakes made in Germany in the 1930s.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | June 11, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

MichelleH says, "We have armed a nation of lunatics under the guise of the 2nd amendment."

Well, well, and under what amendment, specifically, have we murdered millions of innocent children while still in (and partially out of) their mothers' womb???

MILLIONS! Talk about lunacy.

Posted by: doug222 | June 11, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Harry, it's not a tit-for-tat game of scoring points, as you seem to believe. It's serious when people blogging on this site and others (have you ever read the fox blogs?)start calling for "right revolution" and tell their fellow-travelers to start saving their confederate dollars, stocking up on k-rations and to get ready to head for the hills. Surely you've seen such posts.

As for the "score keeping", the article left out the assassination of the doctor in Kansas. The arrests of the four "Islamic extremists", is also mischaraterised as this was sting operation planned and supplied by the FBI. I don't know much about the Starbucks "bombing". Has someone been arrested for it? Why should it be associated with the right wing? Has coffee been declared un-American by the Senator from Oklahoma?

As the NRA slogan has it "guns don't kill people, NRA nutcases with guns kill people."

Chris Brown in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown1 | June 11, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

cdierd1944 says, "History tells us that these radicals need to be dealt with now so that we don't repeat the mistakes made in Germany in the 1930s."

Dimwit -- Limbaugh and friends are busily pointing out the things going on in THIS administration that could LEAD to Germany in the 1930s. If anyone will herald those times into the US, it'll be the left, not the right. (What will you say when Obambi takes away our guns -- just like HITLER did???)

Posted by: doug222 | June 11, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Harry P, tell us more about your category of violence inspired by "the left/Islam". The Islamofascists and the American fascists have a lot in common. In fact, one reason we've been so ineffective is that we fail to understand that the roots of Islamic terror are in the fear of progress towards civil rights, and most specifically progress on women's rights. Our own Taliban-like wing nuts were given comfort by the previous administration with their southern strategy and moral majority origins, and now that the more mainstream conservatives have lost any semblance of credibility, the extreme conservatives will resort to violence more often.

Posted by: leslie11 | June 11, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

"Does Holocaust Shooting Validate DHS Report?"

Answer: Obviously! That report was only stating what we all know, which is that political violence in this country now comes solely from the right.

Posted by: tkinnama | June 11, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

The new liberal meme. They can't argue or rationalize conservative points and ideas. They can't defend their liberal socialist policies. They can't explain how this country can afford their socialist policies. They cannot make rational arguments for their positions, it's all based on feelings and social circumstances. So they just paint everyone who's conservative as a right wing wacko after an insane person kills someone. That's ok, bring it on. People will see through this crap. Why do you think the media and the left hate and attack Sarah Palin, because they fear her. She speaks the truth and from the heart.

Posted by: rickmccay | June 11, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

cdierd1944, learn your history. Hitler and the Nazis were left wing socialists who nationalized the industries of their nation. Sound familiar? In a little less than 9 months, "we the people" now own a majority of our banking industry and the automotive industry. "We the people" are now telling private companies how much they can pay their employees. THAT is the history that is repeating itself. Are you afraid that people like Hannity, Limbaugh, and Beck point this out? And as far as Oklahoma City, INDIVIDUALS committed that genocide. They did not represent the point of view of a single person be it Democrat, Republican, independent, or otherwise who I have ever encountered in my life.

Again, the media, and people such as you should look around at the world. North Korea has developed the bomb and long range missile technology, a nuclear armed Pakistan is about to fall to the Taliban, Iran is funneling weapons to Syria, Hezbollah, and the Palestinians. It's the Islamic-fascists who are the enemy...not the disorganized and out of power Republicans.

Posted by: KevinfromBuffaloNY | June 11, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

When I first read the warning report from Homeland Security it made sense to me, why shouldn't we be watchful for possible dangerous situations. Unfortunately no one was watching the hate groups already here, stirred up by all the hate mongering I've been hearing on the radio and TV from well known personalities.

Posted by: ninety4ss | June 11, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

If you tell a crazy person to kill someone and they do, whose fault is it? Yours! I agree with cdierd1944 - I do not watch the Sean Hannitys of the world, I am a reformed ex-Dittohead (Rush's comments about moderates finally hacked this vet off), and I am even boycotting CNN for their constant hosting of Liz Cheney, the 'expert' on torture and national security. I hope more sane Americans do the same.

Posted by: cpusss | June 11, 2009 7:51 AM | Report abuse

rick,

Nobody is scared of Palin, and definitely not of her intellectual firepower. What is worrying about Palin, is the lynch mob that she drew when giving speeches. Those who started shouting that Obama should be assasssinated when his name was mentioned.

As for your own arguments. Your framework shows me that you have misunderstood what is happening world-wide. The financial collapse that happened in September of 08 had a long run up. The banking system is still in serious trouble as they have speculated themselves well over their means. That was the reason for the emergency measures brought in 2008: to keep the banking system world wide from grinding to a halt.

By socialist policies I assume you mean the proposed health care reforms. Yes, they do take a lot of detailed explaining and they do not yet exist as the congress will have to create a compromise in order to get a bill through. Do you find the health care system in the U.S. adequate as it now stands?

CB in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown1 | June 11, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

The Homeland Security report got it wrong. I fit many of the criteria meantioned in that report, but I am obsolutely no threat to my country. I am a conservative Republican who disagrees with much of the left-wing agenda of the current administration, and I am African-American. Opposition to abortion, illegal immigration or status as a military vetran does not make me a right-wing extremist. The recent murders of the security guard, the abortion doctor, and the Airforce recuiting officer are simply "man caused disasters." The persons found guilty of these acts should rot in hell. Conservative values and politics have no common interests with these extremist cowards.

Posted by: art3corvette | June 11, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

If history is to be our guide; this sort of thing follows a pattern. The first ones to take this route are generally the extreme elements of society but in time, it spreads to the general population. The radical shift to the left and the financial difficulties we are facing are catalysts to this process. Obama should seriously think about what he's doing or we may be in for serious trouble or even a revolution.

Posted by: gjdagis | June 11, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

art3corvette @ June 11, 2009 8:04 AM: You either misunderstand or misstate what the report says. The essence is that just because you fit a profile, you are not automatically guilty. Something along the lines of "Every Pit Bull is a dog, but every do is not a Pit Bull". The report correctly issued a warning about Pit Bulls (if you will). The Republicans called it an insult to all dogs (exaggerating as is their habit and MO).

Posted by: AMviennaVA | June 11, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

CB in Hamburg says, "Those who started shouting that Obama should be assasssinated when his name was mentioned."

Excuse me, but you pay far too much attention to the leftist MSM and not enough to facts, especially when the MSM finally has to admit they were WRONG about something. (rare)

Yep -- just as they finally admitted that NO ONE PRESENT AT PALIN'S SPEECHES EVER CALLED FOR OBAMA TO BE ASSASSINATED. NEVER HAPPENED. PROVEN.

Posted by: doug222 | June 11, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I fault the Repub party and right wingers who identify the Fed Gov as the enemy of the people. Those who encourage buying guns to at some future date fight the government.

I was a Fed employee for many years. I felt like public enemy number one because of all of the hate that was being generated by conservatives against the Fed Gov. Then Oklahoma City hit and the public realized that government employees where also humans and the hate mongers seem to disappear. I would hope that these incidents would wake up the public about the short sightness of hating the Fed Gov. and it will not take another Oklahoma City.

Posted by: docallen001 | June 11, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Regardless the issue du jour, leftists can be counted upon to condemn the "hate speech" coming from the right. Curiously, their own comments typically are foam-at-mouth rantings, spewing the most vile and disgusting attacks and failing utterly to address the facts.

Leftists apparently are so insular that any comment not in accord with their own preconceived notions must by definition be hate speech and must, therefore, be silenced.

Posted by: Oracle3 | June 11, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure it's all just a kooky coincidence; nothing of any news value here... get back to the things you cover the best, like Jon and Kate, or Miss California....

Posted by: gmcduluth | June 11, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

We live in a country that values and defends freedom of speech. However, when that speech calls for violence, shouldn't it be stopped?

What too many are forgetting is that the innocent are destroyed by these hate groups along with the ones that they target. If the guards had not stopped Von Brunn, he could have gone on to shoot others indiscriminately - children, adults, black, white, brown, yellow.

Members of these hate groups are not willing to take responsibility for their own problems, and need to blame someone or something else - a race, the government, the economy. Many of us face problems due to situations in our lives but are not ready to kill someone because of them.

Hatred hurts all of us - not just the targets of the hate groups.

Posted by: Utahreb | June 11, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"So that's 3 for the left/Islam, and two for the "right". "

Ah, so now a conservative fundamentalist religious movement (violent Islamic extremism) is part of "The Left"? I guess when right-wing Christian nutjobs shoot doctors and launch assaults on the Holocaust museum, you can blame that on "The Left" too, since Jesus clearly was a liberal hippie type.

Your ignorance is the most entertainment I've had all week.

Posted by: antontuffnell | June 11, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The threats against Obama DID occur. Here is the URL from this newspaper. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug.html
Now the rightwingers will probably ignore it as it did not come from Fox News, but luckily most Americans use other sources for their news.

Posted by: cpusss | June 11, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I have been reading in more than one place attempts to connect left wing opinions to Islamic terrorism. It is typical of the Republican mantra ‘If you are not with us you are against us’, and trying to say that left wingers are violent too. Puhlease! Here is my count. 2 dead due to right-wingnuts, 1 dead due to Islamic terrorist, and NONE from left wingnuts. The argument that somehow Islamic terrorists are similar to left wing Americans is at the least ludicrous, and at the most dangerous by associating left wingers with Islamic terrorists. And it is pathetic defense of the right winger’s penchant toward violence when not in power. I am sure the left wingers have a lot in common with Islamic terrorists, like womens’ rights, strict interpretation of religious text, pro-choice on abortion, and opponents to capital punishment. NOT! Give it up Republicans! There is no left wing violence to justify defending right wing violence. Left wingers live in trees to oppose lumbering. Right wingers gun down Navy vets to oppose abortion.

Posted by: cpusss | June 11, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

What about the murder of the police officer in Pittsburgh?

Posted by: edlharris | June 11, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

We have "nut-cases" of all flavors in this country. I didn't see DHS out there chasing down the alleged Arkansas shooter (Bledsoe), even though he just came back from Yemen, with an Islamic name.

I don't see the AG Eric Holder's dismissal of "nut-cases" who harassed voters in the Detroit area, this past election as being hard on extremism. If these people were white, the case would be their poster child for prosecuting extremists.

DHS- Spend more money on irrelevant BS, which produces nothing.

Posted by: Computer_Forensics_Expert_Computer_Expert_Witness | June 11, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh sure, lets unleash Department of Homeland Security for every local crime. It was “almost” funny how the leftists ran to the defense of our very enemies after 9/11, and how they went totally berserk at the suggestion of the Patriot Act in time of war; yet now they want to imply there is a great right wing conspiracy taking place against our country and they're demanding that DHS take action against returning and existing veterans, gun owners, pro-lifers, advocates of same sex marriage and advocates of nuclear power and Alaskan oil. The next thing we’ll hear is that there are secret military training camps for home school students...

Posted by: OIFVet06 | June 11, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The Republicans have had an anti abortion platform for nearly 40 years. That means they support life. That does NOT mean that they are either affiliated with or condone the actions of someone who kills an abortion doctor...PERIOD. Show me one Republican holding an office higher than dog catcher who has stood up and sided with this killer?

I am a Republican and I do not believe abortion should be used as casually as a birth control pill. Does that mean that I or any other Republican wants to see a doctor who performs them killed? Absolutely not. I want to see the killer rot in jail for the rest of his natural life. I support life.

Some of you on the left really need to get it together. It is obvious that you cannot separate the loose cannons in our society from the mainstream of your opposition. Grow up. Aren't some of you embarrassed by how the media presents an issue? When a PEW study released the other day proves that an abortion doctor's killing gets 10 times the media coverage of the killing of a military recruiter by a fundamentalist Muslim who just returned from Yemen, you have to know you are being played by a media agenda.

Many of the liberal posts on here are spewing party talking points about guns and right wing hatred. You must have missed the last 8 years of venom towards George Bush and anyone else who had an R associated with their name. What nonsense.

Posted by: KevinfromBuffaloNY | June 11, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Testing comments.

Posted by: Bob Greiner | June 11, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The shooter at the Holocaust Center was a long-time nut who finally lost it. The incident had nothing to do with the crazy lady at Homeland Insecurity who has offended military veterans, Christians, people who are against baby murder, and people who support the Constitution and our country. Libs like to make a connection between one looney and anything right of Karl Marx, but making the connection between this event and the right is as crazy as linking Closet Muslim Obama with any of the numerous offenses his Muslim buddies are doing.

Posted by: Reisrrk | June 11, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The clearest example of rightwing rethoric leading to rightwing extremists going on a violent rampage is Jim D. Adkisson. On July 27, 2008, he entered a liberal church in Knoxville, Tenn. where 200 people were attending a children's performance of Annie Jr., and killed two people. Churchmembers managed to wrestle him to the ground and prevented further killings.

He had stated in a letter that he intended to keep shooting until police arrived and expected to be killed by police. Adkisson had a waist satchel with more ammunition, totaling 76 shells. The letter also made clear that he hated liberals, democrats and gays. He had in his possession the following books:
* Liberalism is a Mental Disorder by radio talk show host Michael Savage
* Let Freedom Ring: Winning the War of Liberty over Liberalism by talk show host Sean Hannity
* The O'Reilly Factor: The Good, the Bad, and the Completely Ridiculous in American Life by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.

Posted by: wimprange | June 11, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

In fact, the shooter thought 9/11 was an inside job, hated Christianity with a passion that rivaled his hatred of Jews, and celebrated Socialism as being more in tune with the true spirit of the "West" than dastardly capitalism (which he thought was a Jewish plot). The shooter was an old-school Nazi. None of this has anything to do with Republicans or conservatives, and this speculative blog post shamefully smears them without having done the slightest research on the shooter. The following link shows the shooters twisted ideology for what it really was (old-time Nazisim): http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=35192

I think the author of this blog post owes his readers an acknowledgment of the above facts.

Posted by: rds989 | June 11, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

After reading the above comments, it is obvious what IS wrong with our country: a disease called terminal "finger pointing" - and the disease is polarizing our country more than I can remember in my 50 years. And frankly, the media on both sides doesn't help. (As Joe Friday said so eloquently, "Just the facts, ma'am"). Hey, I'm not advocating forming a human chain across the country and all participants sing "Kumbaya" (although somtimes the idea IS appealing - free beer for all participants), but even tho' I have some real heartburn with some of the postings, my bet is many of us could sit down, talk rationally (having some of the leftover "human chain" beer) and maybe come up with some solutions. The key is stopping that initial "knee jerk" reaction. Okay, so ALL TOGETHER NOW!! "Oh Lord, Kumbaya" :) (Bezymianni is Russian volcano, as an FYI).

Posted by: Bezymianni | June 11, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

You know what is hilarious in all of this? The rightwingers complaining about painting their movement with a broad paintbrush, demonizing them with the actions of an extremist, a lone wolf, or neo-nazi terrorcells.

Yet I haven't seen any of that. I only see a DHS-report that correctly warns of extremists, lone wolfs and neo-nazi terrorcells on the right. And the left pointing out that that report was correct and the brouhaha from the right over it incredible irresponsible.

Posted by: wimprange | June 11, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess the reason why the right is so anxious to distance themselves from these extremists is that it has become so difficult to see any daylight between what they themselves call the base and the extreme right.

Posted by: wimprange | June 11, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant.

Wimprange: Define "right" if you wouldn't mind. How can you tell someone is "on the right" or "on the left"? Parameters? Viewpoints? Gimme some examples.

Posted by: Bezymianni | June 11, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The Right Wing has become completely unhinged, and are now a greater danger to the USA than Osama bin Laden.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | June 11, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Doug,

Was that the "Main Stream Media" that I pay too much attention to or was it the "leftist" media? For you, I assume, they are one and the same. Washington Post must by your reckoning be included as leftist, even though they run such columnists as Applebaum, Kristol, Cohen and Krauthammer. The question about left and right is left of what?
I wasn't personally at any Palin rally so I have to rely on videos and reports from the press. I did happen to see live images of John McCain telling the crowd to simmer down and that he respects his opponent. Why do you think he was doing that? Even his concession speech included an attempt to get the invited Republican crowd to stop acting so bitter and accept reality. Are you going to try to tell me all these news reports on American as well as German television were manipulated? I guess John McCain never went to biker rallies to try to gain support either?

To come back to the subject at hand. There have been a number of people calling for extreme action involving guns right here in the Washington Post blogs, and I can tell you and anyone else, that the right wing blogs are not exactly tea-parties when it comes to polite discussion.

The ideas that I hold may not suit everyone but I have no need to insult those I disagree with, usually their remarks are enough to disqualify them.

CB in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | June 11, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

After the Oklahoma City Bombing, many of us jumped to the false conclusion that radical-Muslim-extremist were responsible for the attack. We were proven wrong in short order. This article, and most of the posters here are jumping to the wrong conclusion that the killer is right-wing. The true conclusion is that the racist, Wenneker Von Brunn, is extreme left wing. His views and history are far left wing. 1) He is a socialist, 2) His writings clearly state that he hates Christianity, 3) He violently hates George W. Bush, 4) He violently hates Jews (much like BHO's pastor, George Wright), 5) He is a professed atheist, 6) He is a virulent evolutionist, 7) None of the criterion featured in the Homeland Security memo are characteristic of the killer.
Does Holocaust Shooting Validate Homeland Security Report? NO, not at all. The leftist wish is did, but it does not.

Posted by: right11 | June 11, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, forgot to mention: Wenneker Von Brunn is not a "Veteran returning from Iraq or Afghanistan". He is a WWII vet. No mention of which side he fought on.

Posted by: right11 | June 11, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Alright, right,

Let's twist again. You obviously have a soft spot for the right yourself. In my book Van Brunn is a nazi. I've met enough of them and his ideas, from what I can glean, are perfectly in line with those of the American Nazi party. To give you a graphic example: in the 60s they put out a comic called "White Man Comics". In it white man defeats the coon from outerspace and superjew. I'm sure you see yourself as a Christian and that absolves you from being lumped together with Hitlerians. Many of Hitler's supporters were Lutheran. The Catholic Church in Spain brought Franko to power, Musolini was supported by the Catholic Church.

I'd agree that Christianity and fascism should be inimicable, but it seems some Christians in the past and present have thought otherwise.

CB in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | June 11, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the frequent posts, but I didn't do my research in detail.
Understand that in addition to the left-wing tendancies in the other posts, Wenneker Von Brunn, also hated "Neo-Cons"- Jewish Republicans. His degree was in jounalism. The so-called "Right-wing" are the most adamant supporters of Jews and the right of Jews. Extremism leads to violence on both the right and the left. This killer is from the left.

Posted by: right11 | June 11, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Can someone PLEASE tell me what "right wing" and "left wing" are? Look, I'm not an idiot; I am a college professor. But stupid "labels" are thrown back and forth and NO ONE defines them. "Right" or "left" just means "I think you're full of "s--t" on (1) or more issues. Good gawd, can we get over this? Yo. I got my first gun at age 8; does that mean I'm a nutbar who go and shoot someone? I'm pro-choice. That's a bit ncongruous with the gun thing - a sin quo non "right wing" label. Most Americans are much more multi-faceted. It is counter-productive to label people "right" or "left" - yet most of you idiots do it continually - ON BOTH SIDES. However, no one has articulated to me what those labels mean. Oh, I'm also a huge animal rights activist and an environmentalist (yeah, and I used to shoot "Bambi"). And the "pseudo" intellectual discussions above do nothing to help us try to find some common ground in the US. Why don't you stop "whining" and actually go out in the community and HELP? Stop the "easy, feel good" crap with responding in a knee-jerk fashion to someone else's crap and GO DO SOMETHING AOBUT IT. I'm going to go clean out my lint navel. It is as productive as reading this gargage.

Posted by: Bezymianni | June 11, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Eye Opener: Does Holocaust Shooting Validate Homeland Security Report?"

Only scum would use a tragic event to push a controversial agenda. It was how they rushed the Patriot Act.

As Rahm Emmanuel said, "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste."

Posted by: seventh77 | June 11, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

A quick response: the labels right and left go back to the French Revolution and indicate which side of the chamber of deputies a delegate was seated. The faction which was in favor of the preservation of the monarchy sat on the right, the republicans sat on the left. Since then the terms have been used to indicate right = reactionary and left = revolutionary. Obviously most are somewhere in the middle.

In current US terms the right would be the nationalist, mililtarist, libertarian laissez faire capitalist direction, the left would be the internationalist (multi-cultural), government interventionist and redistributive direction.

Von Brunn is further out, a white-supremicist admirer of Hitler, as has been shown by his web site and his contacts. He did't like the neo-cons because they were too far to the left. The attempt by Mr. Right to confuse matters is the deliberate strategy of throwing dust.

CB in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | June 11, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad the Post didn't wait until it posted this article or spend a few minutes doing a little research. The shooter in this case is actually a 9-11 "truther" who also hated Christians, Bush and Cheney and the Neoccon Jews at the Weekly Standard. This story will go nowhere now, like the jailhouse converted Islamic terrorists in New York and the shooter at the recruitment center. In other words an insane left wing nut. Oh, never mind.

Posted by: Michelle111 | June 11, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hitler was not a socialist, read up your history Michelle.
The passages from Von Brunn's self published book are full of admiration of Hitler (the first 6 chapters are being made available by the conservative web site Opposing Views, and the German Nationalsocialists were in no way socialist. They were the product of German big business, a desperate middle-clas, and militarism.

The fact that Von Brunn dislikes Christians almost as much as he does Blacks and Jews does not stop him from being a fascist.

CB in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | June 11, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break, the shooter was an extreme lefty. He hated Christians, was a registered Dem, hated Neocons at the Weekly Standard, hated Jews, Bill O'Reilly, and believed Bush was behind 9/11.

If they hadn't caught him, based on this evidence, I would have suspected Keith Olbermann.

Posted by: tc_rider | June 11, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

When the "right" starts planting bombs in the Capital like Obama's buddy did and holding up banks "in the name of the people", then perhaps that report can be revisited.

Until then, the "Left" keeps the prize for being the most violent and dangerous.

Posted by: noneya3 | June 11, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

What rot. The men plotting to blow up synagogues and planes, and the shooter of the two soldiers (one of whom was killed), were jihadists. Their activities were an extension of an international terrorist threat we have been confronting domestically for over 20 years (the World Trade Center bombers began training for terrorism in the New York area in 1988). They had nothing to do with "right-wing extremism." Indeed, if you want to find a government prognostication that accurately foretold them, try the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate from the Director of National Intelligence (not DHS), which predicted a spike in terrorist activities inside the U.S. inspired by foreign jihadist ideology which — because of wide dissemination by the internet and other means — no longer necessarily requires the hands-on participation of established international terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda.

The Starbucks bombing (which actually appears to be the second such attack — there was another in Providence, R.I., at the start of the year) is unsolved, but speculation points to pro-union elements or vigilantes upset over the treatment of coffee-growers. As a former prosecutor, that speculation seems rank to me (I am repeating it only because it has already been published elsewhere) — but it's less rank than shamelessly lumping it into a baseless fable about right-wing extremism on the rise.

So what does that leave us with? A lunatic who killed an abortion doctor (and was vigorously condemned by conservatives for doing so), and an 88-year-old white supremacist of the Nazi bent (which somehow makes him a right-wing savage — a paradox Jonah has written a book about) who killed a guard with a shotgun at the Holocaust Museum.

NAZI's were not of the Right...they are of the LEFT wing FASCISTS. They took over all government functions...as all LEFT wing FASCISTS do...as we are seeing here now.

Posted by: bricko | June 11, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to put this argument about "right" and "left" to rest. There are only tow types of gov't available to humans: 1. That which places the rights of the INDIVIDUAL as primary.(As set up by our founders) and 2: that which places the rights of the group, the collective, the majority, the "people" ( as in Communist China" as primary. There are many systems that fall into this category: socialism, fascism, dictatorhips of any kind including Monarchies.(Notice I didn't say communism, because has never existed and never will-it was in Karl Marx' imagination. He envisioned that socialism would evolve into "full communism", a society virtually without government restraints-a UTOPIA. Well, here's a news break for you socialists, that was a pipe dream. Heaven will never exist on earth. So, as you can see, socialism and fascism are the same basic type of system. One is gov't "ownership" of the means of production and the other is "control" of the means of production. So, a socialist who calls a fascist a right winger is talking to himself.
For a more in depth, but very readable, discussion of this subject, read RELENTLESS: The Socialist Attack On American Freedom, by ME, Edward J. Krigbaum. You can order it at Barnes & Noble, Amazon, or Google: Krigbaum-Relentless and go to my publisher's website.

Posted by: ejkrigbum | June 11, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Islam does not have a complete monopoly on terrorist violence, but they come pretty close. The murder of the security guard at the Holocaust Museum, and the murder of the abortion doctor stand out for their rarity and also for the fact that they are so roundly condemned by the rest of our society, includng the religious establishment. Islamic terrorism, on the other hand, if condemned by Islamic religious authorities at all, is condemned only in the most general and vague terms, and mainly because such acts spoil the image of Islam. Islamic terrorists always quote the Koran and Muhammad to justify their acts. Non-Moslem terrorists do not quote from the Bible -- because the Bible does not contain any commands which would justify such acts. There is no equivalence.

Posted by: Montedoro | June 11, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Chris Brown12 When did I say Hitler was a socialist? I said blaming the "Right" for an unhinged person who kills an innocent person before the facts are out is poor journalism. Now that the fact that he hated Bush as much as the Jews is available for ANYONE with a computer, the story will not be wall to wall like the unfortunate killing of the abortion doctor. Surely, it won't be long before some lefty blogger actually sympathizes with him. After all, anyone who hates Bush and Jews couldn't be all bad, right?

Posted by: Michelle111 | June 11, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Michelle (and you too Bricko),

Do not be confused unless you are deliberatly confusing yourself. The basic idea of fascism is empire building and nationalist, militarism. The nazi's added to that a perverse anti-semitism based on a fantasy of German-Aryan superiority. If you had checked out Von Brunn's writings you could see he as an admirer of Hitler and believes in this "Aryan nation" fairy tale.

Such views are not to be confused with socialism or bolschivism. The main differences are internationalism and collective ownership of the means of production. Stalin, most people's bogey man, was not really a nationalist, if he had been he would have to have been anti-Russian as he was Georgian. The means of production in Germany were in private hands and were exploited for profit. For this reason the slave labor was used in Germany as a means for private gain and many companies came out of the war with profits.

The deliberate attempts to confuse the issue is to save the right wing's face.

Chris Brown in Hamburg

Posted by: chrisbrown12 | June 12, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

It is the job of DHS to anticipate violence and prevent it. All extremists, left or right, are potentially dangerous by definition. All potential threats should be watched and acted on when necessary. However, it is legitimate to quantify the frequency of problems to determine where to watch more closely. This is what DHS is doing and this is why they are more concerned with the right-wing hate groups at this time. To those of you who are rationalizing ridiculous reasons to avoid taking any responsibility for what is happening, why don't you think of the good of our country. Stop lying.

Posted by: CharlesS | June 12, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the downfall of America: Guns, prejudice, racism, poverty, fanaticism and many other ism's; America will be marginalised by idiots and fanatics and both were the driving forces begun by the previous regime with their paranoia's and self-righteousness.

Posted by: naahbob | June 12, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

OK,James Von Brunn was a military Veteran,well so am I,BUT just because I am classified as a military veteran definitely does NOT mean that I am going out and make a political statement with a bomb or a bullit!
Most veterans are probably angry,angry that the VA takes so long to adjudicate claims for disibility incurred in active military service,angry at the va because of botched medical precedures or untrained foreighn doctors that cannot speak,let alone understand english,veterans can be angry at a number of things,but most,such as myself,handle things by writing the president,senator or congressman or by re-submitting claims.We are not ALL terrorist waiting in the wings for the right time to strike.Most of us have families,children and wives,most of us love the country we served and most of us will still fight to preserve our democratic system if it is endangered by another country.To list all veterans as potential terrorist is as bad as listing all black men as potential burglars,drug pushers and rapist,or as bad as listing all Southern whit men as potential members of the K.K.K. hell,most of us southerners arent even racist these days.
Bob Mitchem

Posted by: wolf_mitchum | June 12, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

With so much about the Holocaust in the news recently let us not, ever, forget that the supposed atheist champion of reason, Sam Harris, actually blames the Jews ourselves for all of our suffering including the Holocaust:

“The gravity of Jewish suffering over the ages, culminating in the Holocaust, makes it almost impossible to entertain any suggestion that Jews might have brought their troubles upon themselves. This is, however, in a rather narrow sense, the truth.”—“The End of Faith,” p. 93

This post elucidated the point:
http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/05/from-zeitgeist-to-poltergeist-part-5-of.html

Posted by: MarianoG | June 12, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Americans remind me of the Little Rascals commented upon by the one who says... "They'll never learn...."

Americans don't realize both the right and left are owned and manipulated by the same folks. (Hint: does American hegemonic policy ever change regardless of which party supposedly "controls' the government during any cycle? Of course not. But you do get to argue about gay marriage. Yippee.

Americans still live under the delusion that the media is honest in reporting or that it is not controlled... The CIA's Operation Mockingbird continues to control most reporters and commentators, etc., under the auspices of the six corporations that own (control) 95% of all cable, broadcast and print media – including WAPO for many many years. Do you still naively believe that your information is not molded, minded, and delivered to you to create a dumbing down of Americans, fractionation and illusion? Get a life.

Do you really believe the idiots who state Homeland Gestapo was right to slander many millions of Americans through false guilt by association. Do you believe the Homeland Gestapo? What good Germans you are.

The media and the politicians go to great lengths to propagandize you into believing there is a war on terror (there isn't for the most part) - most terror and terror groups (e.g., Al Qaeda) - were created by the government - and that anybody who confronts, resists and condemns the government is some kind of terrorist. Well, get a clue, clueless folks, the government has controlled the terror for a long long time ... and the enemy of the government is You. IF you question, IF you gripe about a private bank known as the Federal Reserve sending your grandchildren's grandchildren into debt slavery. That you disparage a media that serves only to mislead and to promulgate fear in order to get your backing for yet more wars to steal resources and gain territory and to murder your children in the army.

And now they would have you believe that 9/11 truth folks (many scientists, architects, structural engineers, physicians and just general folk) are just terrorists. That folks who support the 4th amendment, the Constitution and the Republic are terrorists. That people who believe that the private bank (the Fed) is an abomination are terrorists.

Americans are such dupes. Their Republic is nearly dead, replaced by an oligarchical authoritarian state. Yet they still believe the tripe spewed by representatives of the main stream elite wannabes. Authors of articles who push this tripe are either incredibly naive or simply cointelpro.

Posted by: drduffy | June 12, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that since there has been three of these supposed "hate crimes" blamed by the media, and there have been so few in the past - I'm a little skeptical, since that memorandum is one of the most basic violations of free assembly and association - and also the liberal media has taken these crimes and put a spin on them that bears closer scrutiny.

This man was 89, yet a picture is circulating of him in his 40s. He supposed had his own website, and my father, a World War II vet who is in his mid 80's is not of the computer generation and could not even do a search, much less maintain his own website, as he has arthritis and also some Alzeheimers (or dementia it was called before political correctness).

The doctor was killed on a Sunday, a day of rest and worship, by a supposed "right wing" Christian fundamentalist? I would question that, since if he was, he would have picked another day of the week as that is a holy day to the Christian faith, and a day of rest so that comment about "God's work," is ludicrous.

These events are being used in order to justify and terrorize the public into accepting the unacceptable. And Obama and Napolitano are far, far worse than Bush and that Patriotic Act - since it actually targets and attempts to marginalize nearly 90% of the population - even the liberal loony abortion groups and environmentalists.

And since the Post is owned by a corporate entity, affiliated with the CFR and their globalization agendas - this piece smacks of propaganda itself really, and meant to elicit even more hate speech as is evident in some of the comments.

Posted by: betsyross21ct | June 14, 2009 2:19 AM | Report abuse

How can a Christian:

- oppose law and order?
- oppose the 'New World Order' if it preaches peace? (God will judge!!!)
- be a politician or promote a corrupt legal system?
- get an abortion?
- kill an abortionist? (or anyone)
- support and promote immorality as something good?
- hate anyone?
- be a racist (or a even a gay basher)?
- support the oppression of the poor? or of anyone?
- fight for or create a form of goverment (or political party) that is not Biblical?
- swallow a party line and blindly follow ungodly leaders because they give lip service to your pet issue?

Is this really possible for Christians to be that hateful and oppressive? Submitting to authority doesn't mean being like them or bowing down to them! Pray people! Seek God's Spirit on these things. Don't just spout off divisive statements. Turn to God before it's too late. The time is getting short (God will judge)!!!

Posted by: ImagineNoRightOrLeft | June 14, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

kevinfrombuffalo posted (in part):

I heard a great deal about the abortion doctor's killing and will likely hear about the Holocaust Museum slaying for weeks on end, but the media almost completely ignored the military recruiter killing, and I NEVER even heard about the 4 who were arrested for plotting to blow up the synagogues and planes, and I read the paper and online news services every day.


well, kevin...during the time that the military recruiter was killed and the four...um...gentlemen...were arrested for plotting to blow up the synagogues and planes, i was only online every two or three days-my computer had died and i was using my roommate's-and i don't get a paper. and yet, just checking every other day or even less often, i heard enough about the recruiter's murder and the fantastic four to cause me to forward various articles i read about each incident to friends and family. and i wasn't even looking for those articles, they were on yahoo's front page and carried in every online newspaper and magazine i subscribe to.
nothing is being suppressed, kevin. ALL the information is out there, front AND center, right AND left. perhaps the bias is yours, a bias of perception and attention-because believe me, we were inundated here in the real world with EACH of these stories.
each of these stories has their own brand of horror...tillman was murdered in church and the young museum guard was murdered on something approaching holy ground as well--a Holocaust Memorial. so maybe they have a different resonance. and stories where people ACTUALLY die are going to grab bigger headlines--but believe me, the story of what could have happened with the four would-be terrorists got my attention and the attention of a lot of other people. what happened to that private was hideous...but maybe the fact that he was a soldier and it didn't happen in a church or a Memorial Museum gave it smaller type? i don't remember...but maybe. i'm not sure how you missed it-i sure didn't.
the link all these incidents share is that all of these people are domestic terrorists. all of them are americans. and i think that was the point DHS was trying to make, that in an economic downturn people who have axes to grind tend to get busy. and ONE class of people with an axe to grind, now that we have a democratic president and a democratic majority in congress, are lunatic-fringe republicans. anyone who tends toward extreme views with a willingness to consider violent solutions who has suffered losses has the potential to become a domestic terrorist. think ted kaczynski. terry nichols. timothy mcveigh.
and when the situation is such that there are more potential losses to suffer...why is this so hard for people to wrap their minds around? it's just logic.

Posted by: trecho226 | June 15, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

colofalcon posted in part:

The bleeding heart, "professional victim" liberals in our society who regularly gather at Starbucks to profess their superiority (and who would prefer not to be bothered by such mundane things in life as earning a living), would like very much to paint all non-socialistic financially successful Americans as wicked cheats in this latest round of the "successful vs. the choose to have nots".

um...yeah, right. that's the culture war in a demented nutshell for you...the "successful vs. the choose to have nots." give me a break.
oh i guess my friend melinda made a crappy choice, choosing to be born autistic and to go blind at the age of eleven. i guess that's how she chose to "have not"...except she can't really afford to drink at starbuck's, and couldn't get there without help from the liberal government that provides her cheap transportation--and she'd most likely freak out if i or another friend didn't go with her. but i'm sure she'd find it comforting if she did manage to get there that she is among friends.
and i made such a lousy life-choice when i too was born autistic, and developed bipolar disorder in my teens...but actually, colofalcon, i did work for many years...i couldn't always work, but whenever i could i did-i guess i was being a traitor to all those fellow coffee lovers. and then i went and made the crappy life choice and had those strokes last year...and as soon as i'm medically cleared i'm going to go to michigan rehabilitation services-you know, one of those liberal programs-and get trained for a job that i can perform despite all those crappy life choices i've made. and in the meantime i'll live off the disability that i am eligible for at the amount i get because i was a traitor to starbucks coffee lovers everywhere and worked when i could.
you don't have a clue. being poor sucks. no one chooses to be a have-not. sometimes people are poor because of bad choices, sure-but they probably didn't seem like bad choices at the time, and they just got stuck. i've spent a lot of time in social security offices over the years, untangling this that or the other, and guess what? just about everyone gets there on the bus. there are always a lot of wheelchairs and crutches, and people with obviously extremely handicapped children. there are people with oxygen tanks, and people with chemo ports. and the only people wearing the latest styles are the workers. not everyone has an obvious disability--but it's really easy to walk into a social security office and think you've taken a wrong turn into a clinic.
these are the people you're 'dissing', colofalcon.
we have enough problems. we don't need your contempt on top of everything else. and we don't DESERVE IT.

Posted by: trecho226 | June 15, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

doug22 posted:
CB in Hamburg says, "Those who started shouting that Obama should be assasssinated when his name was mentioned."

Excuse me, but you pay far too much attention to the leftist MSM and not enough to facts, especially when the MSM finally has to admit they were WRONG about something. (rare)

Yep -- just as they finally admitted that NO ONE PRESENT AT PALIN'S SPEECHES EVER CALLED FOR OBAMA TO BE ASSASSINATED. NEVER HAPPENED. PROVEN

doug...dude. saying something is proven does not make it proven. sorry. i'm sticking with my own ears, that heard people shouting "kill him" and "terrorist" at palin's AND mccain's rallies whenever obama's name was mentioned...or are you paranoid enough to think that was dubbed in?

Posted by: trecho226 | June 15, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

trecho226, forward the links to the articles if you have them. I don't have a room mate. I have a family and a 70+ hr. per week job. I travel anywhere from Maine to North Carolina on a weekly basis. I get the USA Today in my hotel and I buy either the Boston Globe, Hartford Courrant, NY Times, Philadelphia Inquirer, Washington Times, Buffalo News, etc. depending on the city I am in that week. I'm telling you, wherever the articles on the 4 plotters were, they weren't prominantly placed in the paper in whatever city I was in that week. By the way, I'm on Google, not Yahoo. Unfortunately, Google is too busy these days news cycling Obama puff pieces.

I am sure the articles are out there. I just don't have enough info about this specific incident to do a search.

But more to your point, I am not stating that the news is not out there to be had. If you really re-read what I am saying I thought I was quote clear that the news is being selectively promoted. Pew research proves my point 100%. An abortion doctor being killed got 10x the media coverage that the killing of a military recruiter by an Islamic jihadist. How much more coverage did it get than these 4 who were plotting to blow up airplanes and Jewish centers?

This IS a problem of agenda promotion by the main stream media, whether or not you want to see it that way. The article / commentary / opinion piece that is the header to this thread is no different. This is the Washington Post for God's sake.

Posted by: KevinfromBuffaloNY | June 15, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

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