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Eye Opener: Group wants southerners to put 'Confederate Southern American' on the Census

By Ed O'Keefe

Eye Opener

Happy Friday! With roughly one week until census forms are due, a group of Confederate rights activists is urging southerners with Confederate ancestors to declare themselves "Confederate Southern Americans" on census forms in order to qualify for national origin protection under the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Federal law makes it illegal to discriminate because of a person's birthplace, ancestry, culture or language. The South North Carolina-based Southern Legal Resource Center believes that people with ancestors who were citizens of the Confederate States of America should be entitled to ethnic identity and protection since the country no longer exists.

Question 9 of the census form asks respondents to identify their race and lists White, Black/African American/Negro, American Indian, Native Alaskan, Japanese and Korean as options, among others. But it also leaves a box with 19 blank spaces for anyone who wants to write in another race not listed.

"Fill in 'Confed Southern Am.' ... This will put your Confederate nationality on the record. It's just that simple," SLRC Chief Trial Counsel Kirk D. Lyons says in a video posted on YouTube (see above) and Facebook.

Lyons continues: "We can start the process to give the southern community here in America a voice again, so that our concerns will be heard, and so that we will stop being harassed and persecuted because we are proud of our southern and Confederate ancestry." The group has defended teachers and other activists who have been fired or disciplined in other ways for refusing to remove the Confederate flag from classrooms and other public places.

If you have Confederate ancestors, would you or did you identify yourself as a Confederate Southern American? Should it be recognized as a race or ethnicity? Did you answer the race/ethnicity questions on your census form?

Leave your thoughts in the comments section below

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It's way too early on a Friday for this sort of crapishe . . .

Posted by: citizen4truth | March 26, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Uh, hate to tell the writer but the CSA were not actually a separate country for 4 years. No more than parts of other countries that declared themselves independent have necessarily been separate countries. The civil war was fought and the South lost. No special status, any more than small communes, etc. that have declared themselves independent get special status. California and Texas actually were at least briefly indepenent (though de facto parts of the U.S.) before becoming states. And Deseret (Utah and parts of other states) was really a separate country, though not so recognized by the U.S. or other countries.

Posted by: Sutter | March 26, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Please don't encourage our nutty governor down here in Texas and his followers. All he needs is another crazy idea. Census data on racial distribution is very valuable for economic, medical, demographic and other studies. It does not need to be polluted by ideologues who are causing far too much pollution of our culture already.

Posted by: withersb | March 26, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

I think it's a good idea. They need to be identified.

Posted by: fitzge | March 26, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

The Confederacy achieved more nationhood than most people realize, but I don't think it should be included on Question 9. Most of the nationalities included there are nationalities that also have racial characteristics, like Alaska Native, Filipino, and Hmong.

There are racial identities that once existed but have been dropped by the Census, like Mulatto.

Posted by: blasmaic | March 26, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

If they need to be identified because of ancestors 160 years ago, shouldn't I identify myself as a German-American? After all, my ancestors came over from Germany only 150 years ago. Oh, wait, some of them were from Italy, and some of them from England- maybe I should identify myself as a German-Italian-English American. That's got to be a protected group since it can't be that large.

We are all Americans. Adding labels in front of that just separates you from everyone and suggests that you're somehow better or different or need help. I'm still more for the melting pot idea. America is an idea, a concept, that draws you in, regardless of where you came from before.

Posted by: barbaramusser | March 26, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

These people are ridiculous. I often forget that they exist until I hear some crap about them wanting to defend their confederate flag.

Posted by: ahwilhelm | March 26, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Ignorant non-lifers. The armies of the Confederacy were in rebellion and thus treasonous, or does that not apply below the Potomac?

Posted by: therev1 | March 26, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

That area on the census is for RACE, idoits want to muddy the water and I don't think it will work. How about if the put a section for Seperative, Bubba, or Throwback / Redneck.

Posted by: ggant | March 26, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

These guys are so scary. They try to rewrite history to make it sound as if the Civil War were not about history (just read some of the secession speeches- by the seceders- if you believe that baloney), and talk about "the war of Northern Aggression" while ignoring their little role in enslaving people right up until 1865.

And they are such babies! More role for the South? Going back to 1964, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, and both Bushes were all from former Confederate states. Do these clowns want to have the presidency all the time or else they are aggrieved?

Posted by: Riggo3 | March 26, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I'll tell you all what I wrote on the "other" line in the "race" section of the census form: HUMAN

Wouldn't it be nice if a larger percentage of our citizenry were of the same race as me?

Posted by: incredulousinBoyntonBeach | March 26, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Frankly I'm all for letting these bubbas have their own country. Let's round up all of the ignorant, uneducated rednecks and let them live their version of 'freedom' with their guns and their confederate flags and they can have their own separatist nation in some corner of Texas or where ever they want. Then we need to be certain that we build A VERY BIG FENCE around it so they can manifest themselves in their own gene pool and they can do whatever they like and we can be protected from such ignorant fools. The country will be a heck of a lot better off if we could keep moving forward without having to deal with these obstructionists and be able to finally leave these idiots behind once and for all.

Posted by: dlpetersdc | March 26, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I think this is a great idea. It will help mental health professionals decide where their services are most needed.

Posted by: roblimo | March 26, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

To all the libs-

Under the politics that have been generated about LBGTA and other "minorities," the play book that is used would classify the "Confederate Southern Americans" as a minority as well. Oh yea. I forgot. Consistancy is not an option.

To DLpetersdc- Great idea- but its already done (theoretically). Its called CITIES... if anything the "rednecks" have the city slickeres all fenced in and use the good ole VA open carry laws as the fence...

Posted by: mjc3 | March 26, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Let these people have Alabama and Mississippi. They can then create their own country and have their own census. I wonder how many people the "new" country would retain?

BTW, I put Finnish-American on my form.

Posted by: mortified469 | March 26, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Confederate? I guess they forgot they lost.

Posted by: thrh | March 26, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Bo and Luke could run for Senate and Crazy Cooter can be their Mayor. Daisy is a sure winner for Miss Confederate of the year. I wonder if Uncle Jesse would be willing to help write the Declaration of Independence for yahoos!

Posted by: happydad3 | March 26, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Confederate? Use the proper term: TRAITOR.

Posted by: Garak | March 26, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

The census bureau should combine the 'Confed Southern Am.' entries with the 'White racist bumpkin' ones. Just to get a fair count.

Posted by: MAL9000 | March 26, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I read the tagline on the homepage and thought "There is no way someone will get away trying to label these people..."

Just to find out that it is the THEY who want to label themselves.

For a second or two, I actually felt sorry for them. How foolish.

Posted by: trident420 | March 26, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

And we let these people vote and drive too. It must be a slow news day.

Posted by: dlwilson70a | March 26, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

It is indeed the silly season.

Posted by: kithope | March 26, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I always enter my race in the "other" section... "AMERICAN"

"I have a dream that one day ....will be judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin"

Too bad we aren't even close all these years later

Posted by: sdumas1 | March 26, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

What a gaping butthole this clown is.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | March 26, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Confederate Southern American???? Isn't that like saying traitor?

Posted by: krolart | March 26, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I have ancestors who rode under the Confederate flag. That would be filed under "political affiliations" or "deep family secrets", not race or ethnicity. These guys are just too ridiculous to take seriously, except that they also like their guns and have a history of violence against the innocent. Frankly, I am deeply ashamed of my family’s part in slavery and white supremacy.

Posted by: ricci_pamela | March 26, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Huh! Welsh-Irish-German American on mine, my spouse Austro-Czech-American on hers. Americans do have to protect their ancestral and cultural heritage, you know, beginning with Plymouth Rock and other early colonial and pioneer ancestors. Such ancestry and culture used to be widely celebrated throughout these United States before the 1960s and the 'one size fits all' liberal socialist nonsense began.

Posted by: IowaLad | March 26, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

California and Texas actually were at least briefly indepenent (though de facto parts of the U.S.) before becoming states. And Deseret (Utah and parts of other states) was really a separate country, though not so recognized by the U.S. or other countries.
Umm, Deseret was a proposed state, not country. The Republic of Texas existed from 1836 to 1846, and was recognized by numerous countries including the US. The California Republic existed for less than a month. The Kingdom of Hawaii existed for about a century.

Posted by: blr851 | March 26, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

The idea that crossing the Potomac, all the way to the Rio Grande, would be a foreign country.....with the USA consisting only of the northeast, upper midwest, through the Rockies and west coast???

I get dizzy at the mere thought of such a wonderful but impossible fantasy.

Posted by: joelcavicchia | March 26, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The hateful, ignorant comments posted here by so-called liberals prove the point.

Posted by: thebump | March 26, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"Human". All the rest is just BS.

Posted by: capsfan77 | March 26, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

These are the same idiots who complain about immigrants failing to learn English and integrate themselves into American society.

Posted by: 0073 | March 26, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

Put down mutt.

Posted by: corrections | March 26, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Really?? I mean Really?? What have some of the people in this country come too? The radicals on BOTH side of the aisle are going to bring us to ruin...

Posted by: Stevida | March 26, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

The ignorance of the masses never stops surprising me...this is stupid stuff really

Posted by: fairness3 | March 26, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

It is disgusting that race pimps like Obozo are in charge of the country. We are Americans and that is what I put on my form.

Posted by: bnichols6 | March 26, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

These racist rethugs who consider themselves Confederates fly U.S. and Confederate flags interchangeably as symbols of racism.

Their entitled to their Confederate flags, but get your hands off of my American flag. It stands for justice for ALL.

Posted by: dc1020008 | March 26, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

bout as stupid as african american and the other politically correst BS

Posted by: pofinpa | March 26, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I moved to the Upper Midwest. When people find out I grew up in Virginia, they invariably ask a) why I don't have an accent (have to explain about NoVa vs. RoVa) and b) if I fly a Confederate flag.

I then have to explain to them that for your die-hard Southerner, the Civil War ended only a scant 145 years or so ago. They think I'm joking.

I do not miss this CSA garbage. There's regional pride, and then there's perpetuating a stereotype that is broadly based on pro-slavery. Grow up.

Posted by: Chasmosaur1 | March 26, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Of course these guys are morons and there's no way that "Confederate American" should be a recognized minority for purposes of the Census.

Then again, I wouldn't recognize any minorities for purposes of the Census. Divvying us up by race can only serve 2 purposes, neither of them good:

1. It can encourage racial gerrymandering of congressional districts, which is abhorrent and absurd in the 21st century.

2. It can encourage news stories about how "white people" will become a minority in America in XX years, thus freaking out people like the good ol boy in the video there.

No good can come of this.

The Census should count the number of people in America, period.

Posted by: athena2 | March 26, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

White is way too broad of a category. Caucasian is not accurate either. I think the "Confederate" is closer to the truth. Southerners are a distinct category. The majority being decendents of Ulster-Scots (or Scotch-Irish) that were 18th century immigrants.
Places like Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Boston they have their own distinct Euro-ethnic charateristics.
Does being "White" mean that Italian-Americans, German-Americans,etc. are the same and have the same experiences as Ulster Scots that came in the 18th century? How about someone from Spain? Now we have slavic people arriving from eastern Europe and the Balkans.
Being "white" implies that all Eurpoean immigrants were treated equally. It also does not give an accurate picture of immigration to this country. I am in favor of dropping white and replacing it with a specific Euro-ethnic categories. One would think it would create a better demographic picture of this country.

Posted by: SSTK34 | March 26, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The only hyphenated Americans are the ones that were born elsewhere and became American by the legal process. All others are either American or not. The way things are going now, there is no more "melting pot". The country has become Bable with each group in thier own little enclave speaking thier own language.

Posted by: oldbb | March 26, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

In response to Chasmosaur1, I'm originally from Alabama and consider myself a Southerner; no matter that I have lived in the north for almost forty years. However, there IS a very big difference between those who are proud of their regional roots and those like this buffoon Lyons, whose actions are a mystery to me. He and others like him are some of the very people contributing to the nasty comments targeting people from the South on a regular basis. He's what my folks would have called poor white trash....and we weren't rich!

Posted by: Lilycat1 | March 26, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

It's going to take this kind of silliness to make us all realize that the official recognition of "race" is a really bad idea.

Because let's be honest: letting people "self-designate" their race is merely a polite way around the much more terrifying prospect of having a government representative examine you and then TELL you "what race you are."

If we don't want to be officially told what race we are, with all crazily racist rules which that implies (e.g. having officially approved color swatches to assign "skin color categories", having officially approved measurement specifications to delineate "racial facial features", etc, etc), then we only have two options: 1) allow people to argue, with varying degrees of good faith, that they are members of some made-up 'race', or 2) finally getting the Government out of the business of hanging racial labels on people.

Posted by: 12008N1 | March 26, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

How about "Redneck"?

Posted by: jread1 | March 26, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Do any of these proud confederates ever consider how their ancestors came to settle in the deep south? They were "transported" from England in the 16th Century, having been convicted of thievery, drunkenness, or other petty crimes, and were indentured to land owners for long periods. After the Revolution, people like this went sent to Australia--maybe these guys would like to secede-again-and tie up with the Aussies.
Is it this history that feeds the pervasive class and race idiocy in the South or the trend of the downtrodden to beat up the guy one rung down the ladder?
Since the south is appalled by the monster that is the federal government, let's relieve them of the onus of the feds in their neighborhoods--starting with moving all the military bases, NASA, Cape Kennedy, Fort Knox and other federal installations to the North.

Posted by: joshemj | March 26, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Census information is collected for statistical and analytical purposes: primarily to allow analysis of income, home ownership and education among different racial groups in the population. But its most important use is in Congressional redistricting. The Census however, does not confer special status to any group or, of itself confer recognition of any group. A "confederate southern American" is not a distinct racial or national identity- assumedly the individual would be white of European descent- but not necessarily. If Mr. Lyons wishes to seek protected identity status for his group, he should apply to the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division not the Bureau of the Census. By the way, I am embarrased that I have the same last name- fortunately my family came to this country after the American civil war.

Posted by: jhlyons1 | March 26, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

1st, people take this stuff way too seriously. Just take a minute & see the humor in this. It's not going to happen so no point in freaking out. 2nd, I didn't answer the race question. The census is supposed to count the number of people currently in this country, period. We will never overcome racism if we continue to count and track everything by race. It is a ruse to get more money in certain districts/counties/cities, etc. Politicians play to these numbers in everything they do(and promise to do). Progams & fundng should be received because they are truly NEEDED not because the numbers justify entitlement.

Posted by: FLShopgirl | March 26, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

+1 Lilycat1!

I'm also an Alabama native, proudly DAR *and* DoC, but this kind of mess leaves me shaking my head. No wonder so many people have a bad impression of my home state and its citizens. Sad.

Can I please just state for the record that we're not all like that?!

Posted by: mccxxiii | March 26, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Some folks never learn. The biggest con job in American history was the Southern aristocracy convincing whites who had everything to gain from the breakup of the "old order" that they were fighting the Revolution all over again. Today's money/power aristocracy is again counting on the less wary of the "great unwashed masses" to carry their agenda for them.
Is being a dupe "heritage"?

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | March 26, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

As one who is proud of his Southern heritage, I'm pretty embarassed by these guys. To pretend that white males don't have a voice is absurd on its face (let's not forget we just finished 16 years with southern men as President). On the other hand, some of the comments here make me want to defend them. News flash: stereotypes are wrong regardless of which group you're talking about. To post such negative comments about southerners as if we're an indistinguishable mass is just as bigoted as anything else. I'm a liberal, educated athiest from the rural south. We're a pretty diverse lot ourselves.

Posted by: gtrain82 | March 26, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe Bo and Luke could run for Senate and Crazy Cooter can be their Mayor."

For the record, Ben "Crazy Cooter" Jones served a couple of terms in the U.S. House of Representatives, and did a pretty good job of it until his district was gerrymandered out of existence.

Really. I'm not kidding. See

Posted by: otherquaker | March 26, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Looking back on history, I have two great disappointments: First that Rome ran out of lions before it ran out of Christians, and second that Lincoln didn't say "Excellent" when the South tried to secede.

Posted by: TommyUdo | March 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

@TommyUdo: Lincoln's mistake was in not castrating the Southern traitors.

Posted by: Garak | March 26, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Race is strictly a social construct. I wrote in 'Human'.

Posted by: bontster1 | March 26, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

This should also qualify blacks whose ancestors were slaves to fall into this same catagory.

Posted by: tigast | March 26, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I think this is a good idea--but only if we can then use this info to round up all these Confederates and place them in internment camps.

Posted by: distance88 | March 26, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

How rich..the confederacy refused to give civil rights to select Americans, now the ancestors of this failed system want civil rights protection??

Posted by: SaysEye | March 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

All treachery should be punished and all traitors should be shot!

Posted by: gchraj | March 26, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The only problem that I have with this is that the government is even asking the question. Why should your race matter? Isn't it the ideal of America that all men are equal regardless of race, creed, color, sex, etc. If that is the case then why is the government asking what my race is? In actuality I am a white, anglo saxon, protestant male that was born in Brooklyn, NY. Yes, I am that greatest of all evils the WASP. I claim my race to be Native American. As I was born in this country then I am native to this country. Look it up in your Websters.

Posted by: corvetterich | March 26, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The United States of America became a nation by seceding from Great Britain and creating their own government. The Confederate States of America did the same. Four years after this second American secession, the Confederacy lost a war to preserve their freedom from the USA. The nation was then declared defunct.

How is the Confederate nation, short-lived though it was, any less legitimate than many of the Indian nations we recognize today? They also had their own culture and government before they lost the battle with the USA for their freedom.

What about the Hawaiian nation that existed before they lost the political battle with the USA and became part of the United States?

Hmmm...think I'm seeing a trend here. The USA can't keep their hands off independent nations around them. :D

Anyway, I agree with the previous poster who said it's none of the government's business in the first place. We're all SUPPOSED to be equal Americans, right?

However, if the government is going to play the race game, I'm going to play too... and call myself by the ancestry that I'm most proud of: Confederate American.

Posted by: hezpetunia | March 26, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

ONE race Human. Where You came from is your Nationality.

Posted by: turtlemerde | March 26, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Sure. The more the merrier. Spoils-hungry pols will be only too happy to add another layer of bureaucratic unemployables to handle the category ... "Just raise the Debt limit, right, dude?" Any chance of CSA sympathizers (not to mention Nullification freaks), unconnected otherwise to fallen Dixie, getting in on the action? "Y'all come" shouldn't be limited.

Posted by: sawargos | March 26, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

There's already a category on there for them... mentally disabled! zing pow bam!

Posted by: TrustMe3 | March 26, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

What part of South America are they from? Argentina? Portugal?

/please secede! we had a good thing going there:

Posted by: UrinalGum | March 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I wish I'd seen that a few days ago before I did mine!!

I would PROUDLY identify myself and family that way!!!


American By Birth, Southern By The Grace Of GOD!!!!!

Posted by: RDog1 | March 26, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok by me, but then the rest of us get to be called "Not Nuts Americans"

Posted by: sstanford7 | March 26, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps if Kirk D. Lyons had another extra-large pizza and a couple more eclairs and some ice cream on the side, it would help him forget all that harassment and persecution.

Posted by: misterjrthed | March 26, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

As the decendant of the Southern upper class I am ashamed that idiots like this claim to represent anyone other than Bozo the Clown. My family lost everything in the Civil War- for what? So that the local Boss Hogg's could continue to control the local politics without concerns about the "little things"- like justice? A whole generation of great grandparents on both sides of the war and on both sides of my family were orphaned by ignorance and small mindedness. Their sacrifice taught me what the Pledge of Allegence really means when it says "Indivisible". My family salutes one great flag and serves only one great nation.

Posted by: Firefed2009 | March 27, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Man, I wish he'd provided more information because I really want to do this. However, since I'm African-American I'm not sure if I should fill it out exactly as he says or if I should enter "3/5ths" beside it.

Posted by: whowhat | March 27, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Not only should they list their Confederate nationality (race, heritage or whatever), but also the location of their residence at the local mental health hospital.

Funny, that if the government had actually asked for their Confederate nationality, these same idiots would say it was part of a Democratic plot to identify them for later internment in FEMA camps. And, now on second thought, that's maybe not a bad idea.

Posted by: Continuum | March 27, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"Confederate? I guess they forgot they lost."

Is this why Jew isn't a choice?

Posted by: fireball72 | March 27, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I can understand counting southern confederates seperately but not as a different race or ethnic group but as as subspecies of not fully evolved Homo sapiens. They are identified by large bellies, missing teeth, tobbacco stained fingers and substandard intelligence.

Posted by: chareston2 | March 27, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

From the Articles of the Confederation the seperate countries freely joined with the knowledge they could freely leave. This status changed for the Southern states when General R.L. Lee surrendered. The States that were part of the Confederency gave up their right to succeede in the tready that was signed. The other states still have that right.
Legally President Lincoln had no right to try to stop the states from leaving. He would be guilty of war crimes if this happened today.

Posted by: wideman_35548 | March 28, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Kirk Lyons had a long and storied history in the Nazi/Aryan Nations branch of the white supremacy movement before moving to a neo-Confederate compound in North Carolina and taking over the Sons of Confederate Veterans. He was even married at the Aryan Nations commune in Idaho. Like many virulent racists, Lyons has been involved in extremist groups since his youth.

His 'legal foundation' is a hustle. Neo-Confederates send their children to school wearing disruptive clothing or carrying offensive symbols. Then, when the children are disciplined, Lyons sues the school districts. The ones who are not savvy settle with the parents and he gets a contingency fee from those funds.

Posted by: query0 | March 30, 2010 5:22 AM | Report abuse

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