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Border Patrol union defends shooting that killed Mexican teen

By Ed O'Keefe


(Video courtesy of Univision. Warning: The video contains graphic images and language.)

The union representing U.S. Border Patrol agents is defending the actions of a colleague who shot and killed a Mexican teenager on Monday -- the second killing of a Mexican by U.S. agents in two weeks.

The National Border Patrol Council said the still-unidentified agent acted appropriately after Sergio Adrian Hernandez Huereka, 15, started throwing rocks in his direction.

"Since biblical times, rocks have been used as a crude but effective weapon to injure and kill humans," the union said. "On June 8, 2010, when Border Patrol Agents were assaulted at the U.S./Mexico border by several individuals armed with rocks, they were forced to defend themselves and their fellow agents. Border Patrol Agents are not trained, nor paid to withstand violent assaults without the ability to defend themselves. Rocks are weapons and constitute deadly force."

The union also stated, "While the loss of this teenager’s life is regrettable, it is due solely to his decision to pick up a rock and assault a United States Border Patrol Agent. We stand behind the actions of the agents who did their duty in El Paso, and are confident that the investigation into his incident will justify their actions."

Hernandez Huereka was buried Thursday in Ciudad Juarez.

Speaking Thursday at the announcement of a crackdown on Mexican drug cartels, Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Thursday called the shooting "extremely regrettable."

Mexican officials condemned the shooting and phoned Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to issue a formal protest. Some officials want the agent extradited south of the border to face charges. Reaction to the shooting intensified Thursday night when Univision aired exclusive cell phone video of the shooting (see above).

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By Ed O'Keefe  | June 11, 2010; 10:00 AM ET
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Comments

Yesterday on the news I'd heard a blurb about the deceased possibly having a record in trafficking (the type was not specified). Is there any more information to confirm/deny this?

Posted by: Comunista | June 11, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

A zero tolerance policy is the only thing that protects all Federal agents.

Posted by: AnnsThought | June 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Throwing rocks at officials with guns is not the smartest thing i have seen.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | June 11, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Would this policy apply to a 5 year old girl throwing rocks? Just blast away?

Posted by: moondue8 | June 11, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Mexico has a lot of nerve expressing their psuedo outrage over this shooting. If the reports are true that this kid was a known smuggler, then I have no sympathy for them. I do, on the other hand, have enormous sympathy for the Border Patrol who not only have to contend with murderous interlopers, but with a government that hogties and micromanages their efforts to do their jobs, and blames them for anything that goes wrong. A thankless job, I'd say.

Posted by: Lilycat1 | June 11, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

This event is unfortunate but it was fostered by disrespect and the politically correct attitudes and procedures of our government agencies. These officers have a very hard job as it is and they should not be stoned while attempting to enforce the law. If the officer did not feel threatened, he would not have discharged his weapon. This "kid" was a little thug that learned a hard lesson. If the president and the border patrol back down, the situation will worsen.

It should be obvious to invaders that there will be severe consequences to illegal, aggressive activity. How about some articles and stories about how Mexico handles its southern border. That is a true, violent area. The Mexican government is populated by liars, thieves and bigots.

Posted by: surfcityred | June 11, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I guess the border patrol never heard of rubber bullets to defend themselves and their first resort is shooting children across an international border. "Christian Nation" indeed.

Posted by: areyousaying | June 11, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday on the news I'd heard a blurb about the deceased possibly having a record in trafficking (the type was not specified). Is there any more information to confirm/deny this?
Posted by: Comunista | June 11, 2010 10:51
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T.J. Bonner, president of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing about 17,000 agents and support staff, said rock attacks, a common danger faced by border agents, have the "capacity to inflict serious damage, if not death."

Bonner said U.S. immigration-enforcement records show that the 15-year-old Mexican boy had been arrested six times on various charges related to human smuggling or illegal entry. Last year, Bonner said, the boy provided a sworn statement to investigators indicating that he was part of an organized smuggling ring.


Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/06/11/20100611border-agent-kills-teen-fuels-us-mexico-tension.html#ixzz0qYq5qs00

Posted by: asmith1 | June 11, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for the Bible lesson on the history use of rocks as weapons. Ludicrous.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 11, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

This video shows thuggish behavior by the Border Patrolman, pure and simple. He's repeatedly firing across the border, at kids more than 30 feet away. He's shooting because he can, because he feels "dissed".

And this video utterly discredits the original Border Patrol press release, which claimed that the officer was "surrounded".

Posted by: kcx7 | June 11, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I guess the border patrol never heard of rubber bullets to defend themselves and their first resort is shooting children across an international border. Posted by: areyousaying | June 11, 2010 12:03
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When Mexicans start pelting rubber rocks and carrying rubber knives.............

Posted by: asmith1 | June 11, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Surely the Border Patrol's initial response to rock-throwing from 30+ feet away could be something less than the application of disproportionate and absolute lethal force? I'm not suggesting that the Agents should not defend themselves, simply that the response should begin with the minimal force necessary, with provisions to escalate its application if/as necessary.

Posted by: gatkinso2 | June 11, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? If you think that was an apprpriate use of force you're probably white, Republican, and terrified of losing your country to "them". The kid was throwing rocks from 20 yards away and the cop had a helmet on. Give me a break. When a cop tasers or beats some white kid for bad behavior it is a national injustice. Where's the outrage now. You cowards online show your true hypocrisy in the words you spew anonymously online.

Posted by: makh1971 | June 11, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

If you don't find the correct word? Look the video. ¡It's a crime against innocent kid!

Posted by: jet89_2008 | June 11, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not the deceased boy was involved in trafficking is immaterial - he wasn't wearing a sign and the officer couldn't make a positive id under the circumstances.

This is just another case of armed officers closing ranks when confronted with evidence of misconduct. A few rocks can injure, yes, but they aren't deadly violence. There are warning shots, rubber bullets, tear gas, helmets and shields - both protection and proportionate response.

The action of the officer, while wrong, is somewhat understandable as a response under pressure. This knee-jerk defense is not. The union should build up the image of reliable, cool professionals on the job.

Posted by: j3hess | June 11, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm just curious to know which side you libtards are on? When it comes to illegal aliens trafficking drugs and who knows what else, you make a threatening move or throw some projectile, you are dead! I wouldn't risk my life on some thought that, "oh, those are just rocks! Throw away!" Thank goodness that some of you libtards are not border patrol agents!

Posted by: olemissgrad_2000 | June 11, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The video is so grainy that we are not seeing the rocks being thrown at the agents. What we do see is a single Border Patrol Agent trying to arrest someone - when some people from the Mexican side coming close to the agent in a threatening manner. They were very close - about 20 ft (not yards). You think that a helmet is enough protection from rocks at close range? In your opinion the officer should not have responded and allowed rocks to hit him.
Kid got what he deserved.
In Mexico, how do they handle their southern border? In April, Amnesty International issued a report claiming illegal immigrants in Mexico -- typically from Central America -- face abuse, rape and kidnappings, and that Mexican police do little to stop it....Welcome to brutal reality on the border.

Posted by: phall6 | June 11, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

It is important to acknowledge that rock-throwing can be deadly force. These "kids" weren't tossing pebbles. Of course, if this teenager had injured or killed a border patrol agent by rock-throwing, the invader apologists would no doubt discount it.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | June 11, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Another cop was at his side in almost under a minute. So in your world, all stupid kids who have thrown rocks at people deserve to be shot. When you choose a career in law enforcement, risk is part of the job. As is being able to handle stressful situations. Any type of law enforcement is fraught with varying degrees of danger that can turn on a dime. You are also held to a higher standard as part of law enforcement. I'm tired of officers being excused for poor judgement in the execution of minorities. This was poor judgement.

Posted by: makh1971 | June 11, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives who reflexively bash all unions should think about the role police and firefighter unions play in protecting their members against political lynchings and affirmative action discrimination.

Without a union, this BP agent would have been thrown to the wolves (lobos?) by now.

Posted by: pmendez | June 11, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Way to go border patrol,maybe this will make them think twice about invading our country.to bad for the kid but he was an idiot and paid the price for it. and as far as the mexicans aiming guns at our federal agents,they should have smoked thoese mexicans

Posted by: nlb1954 | June 11, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"When a cop tasers or beats some white kid for bad behavior it is a national injustice. Where's the outrage now. You cowards online show your true hypocrisy in the words you spew anonymously online."

Really. They taser plenty of people who are breaking the law where I live. No matter what color they are. Now if there are more people of a certain color breaking the law, then there would be more of the getting tasered.

Why don't you try this, cross the border into Mexico and when you drive by, throw some rocks at the Mexican police and see what they do. You had better say goodbye to your loved ones first. Goodluck.

Posted by: wtf7 | June 11, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

scum from mehico feel they have a right to break any law because they have one of the most corrupt,murdering govt. in the world .this country is being invaded and we sit back and worry what others think? BS

Posted by: pofinpa | June 11, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Since biblical times, rocks have been used as a crude but effective weapon to injure and kill humans" come on..., You need like a 1000 rocks on a kid hand to kill somebody. He use a gun ti kill a child

Posted by: ajopelon | June 11, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Poor child probably thought he was playing in a park. We need a federal government program that educates Mexican teens on the dangers of borders. Or maybe one where they can turn in rocks for beers.

Posted by: seraphina21 | June 11, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

These mexicans can go eat some donkey ****, like that's one in return for all of the murders that these ****ers have committed against defenseless Americans citizens, on our soil. So cry us another Rio Grande. That's the deal with these two-faced latino/hispanic/mexican SOBs, they can dish it out on the defenseless, but yell rape when the steel toe is plowing up their azzes.

Posted by: hared | June 11, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Let there country pay for programs that will help there kids. its not our responsibility.whet would they trade rocks for beer? they have drugs

Posted by: nlb1954 | June 11, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Rocks are weapons! You illegal lovers need to spend a month on the border! We need more force like this to stop the illegals, drugs and gangs! We are tooooo soft! Obama is weak and condones open borders! Defend by force! Not a race issue as many here proclaim! "white republicans"! It is all about taking our nation back from the massive daily invasion of Hispanics! Plain and simple! They must be stopped!

Posted by: usmc1969 | June 11, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Resonse to:
"Let there country pay for programs that will help there kids. its not our responsibility.whet would they trade rocks for beer? they have drugs


Posted by: nlb1954 | June 11, 2010 2:48 PM"

Maybe you need to see if your country can help with your illiteracy issue. Have you ever heard of throwing stones in glass houses? I hope one day you can learn your fallacy with respect to that saying.

Posted by: khpd129 | June 11, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

What saddens me most about all the comments is that people are forgetting this is a child. Regardless of what side of what border he lives on or what his cultural background is, he's a child. It's ludicrous that anyone would condone the death of a child for throwing rocks.

Posted by: khpd129 | June 11, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse


Dear olemissgrad,

Well, your language and sense of justice certainly reflects credit on your alma mater!

Re: "'m just curious to know which side you libtards are on."

I can't speak for libtards (sounds like a grade-school taunt - what was your degree from old miss, anyway?) but speaking for myself, I am on the side of law, order, justice, equality, and reason.

Which side are you one? Suspicion, vengence, violence, killing kids, and going off your rocker?

Posted by: j3hess | June 11, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Body armored agents with high powered military automatic weapons versus children with stones at 100 paces.

There are a half dozen non-lethal crowd control alternatives to SHOOTING INTO A CROWD and murdering children.

This was a human rights atrocity by any definition. A crime against humanity.

Since it was in service of the War on Drugs it is also a WAR CRIME.

Authoritarians waging the War on Drugs will come up with every excuse why their atrocities are not atrocities. they are less believable with each iteration.

Posted by: aahpat | June 11, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Rocks are weapons! You illegal lovers need to spend a month on the border! We need more force like this to stop the illegals, drugs and gangs! We are tooooo soft! Obama is weak and condones open borders! Defend by force! Not a race issue as many here proclaim! "white republicans"! It is all about taking our nation back from the massive daily invasion of Hispanics! Plain and simple! They must be stopped!

Posted by: usmc1969 | June 11, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Extradite the over-zealous border guard to Mexico for trial.

Posted by: aahpat | June 11, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The distances shown on the video make it clear that no stone from those distances would be a threat to the BP agent.

This is an atrocity.

Government agents firing high powered weapons and murdering an unarmed child from across an international borders is an atrocity.

Posted by: aahpat | June 11, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Mexico should legalize and regulate international distribution of intoxicant drugs.

Posted by: aahpat | June 11, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

He shouldn't have shot him for sure. But you probably shouldn't be throwing rocks at people with guns...

Posted by: TrustMe3 | June 11, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The child was 14. He was not a smuggler, he wasn't trying to cross the border, he lived studied at the border.. and what's with that rubber knives thing asmith1, bullets are not made out of rock, and rocks can not be thrown at a bullet's speed.

Posted by: ROR09 | June 11, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear j3hess,

I'm on the side of the border patrol! Whose side are you on? You say you're on the side of "law, order, justice, equality, and reason." Evidently you are not on the side of law, because he was breaking the law by being in this country illegally. When people disobey orders that disturbs order. He was as equally guilty as anyone else who'd thrown a projectile toward an agent. And it goes to reason that if you are not really sure as to what is being hurled at you, it is certain that you wouldn't be sure that it was or was not harmful. So, according to the border patrol, the illegal was hurling a weapon.


Posted by: olemissgrad_2000 | June 11, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I guess the border patrol never heard of rubber bullets to defend themselves and their first resort is shooting children across an international border. "Christian Nation" indeed.

Posted by: areyousaying
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According to the "Deceiver in Chief" we, the United States, are no longer a "Christian Nation". But nice try at slamming Christian values and morees!

Do you know for a certainty that this officer was a "Christian" or perhaps he was a muslim, budhist, athiest, Mormon, Catholic, Jehovah Witness, Agnostic, or a Moonie?

As for rushing to judgement in this incident, sorry, but I will wait to hear ALL the facts before I go for the hanging rope or endorse the use of the electic chair. I thought that is why we have courts? We no longer allow lynch mobs in this country.

As a veteran law enforcement officer I also question the need to use deadly force in this circimastance, but I was not a witness to this unfortunate event. Perhaps the Border Patrol could have called the Mexican Police to have this young man taken away and jailed, but I wasn't there to witness the event.

Perhaps the rocks were tipped in Curari poisons? But you seem to be more enlightened than I. Why don't we see how this turns out before we make a horrible error in rushing to pre-judgment?

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 11, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Dear j3hess,

I'm on the side of the border patrol! Whose side are you on? You say you're on the side of "law, order, justice, equality, and reason." Evidently you are not on the side of law, because he was breaking the law by being in this country illegally. When people disobey orders that disturbs order. He was as equally guilty as anyone else who'd thrown a projectile toward an agent. And it goes to reason that if you are not really sure as to what is being hurled at you, it is certain that you wouldn't be sure that it was or was not harmful. So, according to the border patrol, the illegal was hurling a weapon.
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It was ny understanding that the assailant was on the Mexican side of the border, but I could be wrong in my perceptions of what is being reported. I do know that as a former Law Enforcement Officer, the news is usually only half or partially accurate, often times being somewhat distorted as to facts.

I choose to neither support the Border Patrol Officer/Officers involved or the deceased assailant. I choose to WAIT to let the finders of fact sort it out and then allow a court of law, if impaneled, to be the tryer of fact! This is the civilized way of dealing with such cases. Under the streucture of due process and the laws which govern us all.

I do have a great deal of empathy for these fine young men who defend our borders. They have a very challenging job and I am sure it is wrought with much frustration and great risk. This is the nature of the job and if one is not up to it, they should seek another occupation.

There is no place in law enforcement for anyone who is "trigger happy". Be absolutely certain that I make no such claim or inference against those officers who are involved here. I merely wish to see the facts revealed and justice served, not some political witch hunt by arrogant poloticians from either side of the border.

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 11, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Extradite the over-zealous border guard to Mexico for trial.

Posted by: aahpat
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REPLY TO AAHPAT: I have been reading your "hair brained" responses to many different news articles here on WaPo.

I am more than aware of the fact that you are a covert radical Al Qaied Terrorist or you are just a "nut job" that hates the United States.

Don't just go away...but go far far away and stay there!

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 11, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Bible lesson on the history use of rocks as weapons. Ludicrous.

Posted by: screwjob16
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Why don't you ask for Goliaths opinion about the threat of rocks on the unprotected human skull? DAH!

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 11, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me? If you think that was an apprpriate use of force you're probably white, Republican, and terrified of losing your country to "them". The kid was throwing rocks from 20 yards away and the cop had a helmet on. Give me a break. When a cop tasers or beats some white kid for bad behavior it is a national injustice. Where's the outrage now. You cowards online show your true hypocrisy in the words you spew anonymously online.

Posted by: makh1971
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Let's all rush out and get a hanging rope right now and string this BP officer up! Why should we wait for any kind of structured investigation or court to try the facts?

We'll even lt you spurr the horse out from under him and watch him grasp for air while his body convulses in uncontrollable spasms.

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 11, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Lets suppose, for a moment, that this 15-yr old was, as law enforcement are demonizing him, involved in the drug trade. He is then yet another child victim of the War on Drugs. Enticed into the drug trade by the Drug War imposed black market profits that flood all poverty oppressed communities on both sides of the border.

The Drug War has never been effective at interdicting more than 10-15% of the drugs targeting American streets. That is a consistent 85-90% FAILURE RATE for the past forty years.

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AP IMPACT: After 40 years, $1 trillion, US War on Drugs has failed to meet any of its goals

Published May 13, 2010 | Associated Press
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/13/ap-impact-years-trillion-war-drugs-failed-meet-goals/

MEXICO CITY (AP) — After 40 years, the United States' war on drugs has cost $1 trillion and hundreds of thousands of lives, and for what? Drug use is rampant and violence even more brutal and widespread.

Even U.S. drug czar Gil Kerlikowske concedes the strategy hasn't worked.

"In the grand scheme, it has not been successful," Kerlikowske told The Associated Press. "Forty years later, the concern about drugs and drug problems is, if anything, magnified, intensified."

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The only reason that children are exposed to rampant drug sales and the anarchy on the border is because the United States PROHIBITS responsible regulated adult supervised distribution to replace the addicts, dealers, gangsters and cartels that all have a vested interest in turning new generations of children on to drugs.

Posted by: aahpat | June 11, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Rocks are weapons! You illegal lovers need to spend a month on the border! We need more force like this to stop the illegals, drugs and gangs! We are tooooo soft! Obama is weak and condones open borders! Defend by force! Not a race issue as many here proclaim! "white republicans"! It is all about taking our nation back from the massive daily invasion of Hispanics! Plain and simple! They must be stopped!

Posted by: usmc1969
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If you really want to take our country back, get rid of the "Commander of Deceipt" Obamanation! We may not even have a country left if he remains in office until 2012. He is working dilligently, vigorously, and with extreme hostility to destroy our economy, our national friendships, our borders, our national security, our capitalist system, and our military. He is a true threat to our national security!

GMC just announced that they are building a manufacturing plant in Mexico after General Motors was taken over by Obama and the feds who lick his boots! Each Mexican worker will make big bucks! They will be paid $26.00 per day, a very high wage in Mexico!

Then the American Labor Unions (AAW) can go to Mexico and try to fight the Mexican governement for workers rights. Bye Bye Industry in the United States, AT7T, Snap on Tools, Dish Satelite, just to name a few who outsource jobs overseas to increase profits.

We don't need enemies as long as we have Obamanation in the White House, Napolitano as Homeland Security Director, Hillary "Jezebel" Clinton running the Dept of State, Eric Holder as Dir of the Dept of Justice, Crowley, Emanuel, etc. They are all so incomptent and they lick the boots of Obama who plays the tune and they step to it!

Welcome to the Socialist Republic of the United States! The ObamaNation!

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 11, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The only reason that children are exposed to rampant drug sales and the anarchy on the border is because the United States PROHIBITS responsible regulated adult supervised distribution to replace the addicts, dealers, gangsters and cartels that all have a vested interest in turning new generations of children on to drugs.

Posted by: aahpat
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The best solution to the drug problem in the United States is for all U S citizens to boycott their use!

During prohibition, the gangs and organized crime made fortunes, because people did not want to give up their intoxicating liguors. This also holds true for many U S citizens who take no responsibility for their support of these evil cartels. Winning this battle by boycotting the use of all illicit drugs is the ONLY way to destroy or weaken these evil traffickers and manufacturers.

One of the three signs mentioned in the Holy Bible, which will be prevalent in the terminal generation of the end times, is their prolific use and dependancey on drugs. This was prophesied over 1900 years ago.

How truly sad that so many many people are falling headlong into hell and they don't have a clue!

Posted by: A_lite_to_the_blind | June 11, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

A_lite_to_the_blind June 11, 2010 8:19 PM:

Abstinence has never worked and there is NOTHING on this planet to imply otherwise. It is a failure on its face and its ludicrous to bring it into a science based conversation about national policy.

Once you brought the bible into it you negated your legitimacy in any public policy discussion in under the United States constitution.
Forty million Americans use intoxicant drugs. Hundreds of millions of people use them globally.

Regulate, license and tax the violent criminal anarchy out of the distribution and sales because it IS the only way to put responsible adult supervision in between drug sales and children. You and your Drug War want to abandon children to drug addicts and gangsters with no more support than to inanely admonish them to 'just say no'. This is child abuse! Moralistic and puritanical child abuse.

Posted by: aahpat | June 11, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Dear A_lite_to_the_blind:

Your comments started out so even-keeled, intelligent and level-headed. I even agreed with your assessment of "AAHPAT" in regards to the "hair brained" comments. Then it started with you losing sight of the facts. You said "Why don't you ask for Goliaths opinion about the threat of rocks on the unprotected human skull? DAH!"...It seems you have forgotten that this border patrol agent was wearing a protective helmet. I would have given you that as an innocent oversight. Unfortunately, three posts later it appears you fell off your rocker. All of the Socialist Nation, Commander of Deciept (Deceit if you are spelling correctly), Jezebel, ect references really showed something more, or shall we say less, of you. Then you followed it up with biblical prophetic threats. The prophecy of drug use and dependency becoming a problem may seem really insightful if you weren't thinking with a critical mind. I'm not a biblical guru, so correct me if I'm wrong, but many mind-altering drugs were present in biblical times. With the knowledge of their action, it wouldn't be hard to predict (or prophesize) that they would result in rampant drug use and dependency.

It appears your, very wisely, prescribed antipsychotic medication wore off by your last post...please take your next dose.

Posted by: khpd129 | June 11, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

what about a taser ? or a water cannon ? did a 15 year old have to die ? so what if he sold drugs. maybe his family is dirt poor and he was trying to help. I just don't see why an unarmed teenager had to be killed by some big strong Americans with rifles. It's too much and should be stopped. If someone is really a threat okay but not some kid.

Posted by: lynnecatlover | June 11, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"I'm on the side of the border patrol! Whose side are you on? You say you're on the side of "law, order, justice, equality, and reason." Evidently you are not on the side of law, because he was breaking the law by being in this country illegally. .... So, according to the border patrol, the illegal was hurling a weapon."

olemissgrad

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Dear olemissgrad,

I'm on the side of the Border Patrol. But part of being on their side means holding them up to the standard of enforcing the law and upholding justice. There is little worse for society than a police force operating outside of the law.

Have you ever crossed the street against the light or in the middle of the block? Then you are a lawbreaker. Can we shoot you dead now? And if fact, mere unlawful presence in the US has been a civil, not a criminal violation.

A thrown rock is a weapon. So is a pencil jammed at your ribs. The question is whether the officer was justifiably in fear of his life and whether shooting was a proportionate response.

In response to A_lite_to_the_blind, I agree totally that we need to first get the facts before we decide the culpability of the officer. My remarks are directed to those - the union, various commentators - who have rushed to the judgement that the shooting was justified.

However, here the rocks were hand-thrown. David used a sling, which at the time would have to count as an advanced projectile weapon - a bazooka to Goliath's tank. The sling multiplies the kinetic energy tremendously. Not comparable.

Posted by: j3hess | June 11, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

"We demonstrate that moving to the legal regulation of drugs is not an unthinkable, politically impossible step in the dark, but a sensible, pragmatic approach to control drug production, supply and use."

Guide to Regulation of Drugs
Transform Drug Policy Organization
After the War on Drugs: A blue print for regulation
http://www.tdpf.org.uk/blueprint%20download.htm

Posted by: aahpat | June 11, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

A rock can kill; David killed Goliath with a rock.

Posted by: conniehunter | June 11, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Mexicans, in general, are wonderful people with a proud heritage but the country as a system is extremely disfunctional. Why do millions want to leave? Whining about injuries inflicted by the USA takes attention away from multiplied, self inflicted injuries. No more excuses! Believe in Mexico and make it better!

Posted by: ben2baghdad | June 12, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the Border Patrol Union, the officers have no choice. And if you understood the first rule of police protection regarding self defense you'd know that this was his only option. That rule states that police have the right and the obligation to escalate the level of defense required for self protection as defenders of the public domain. You and I do not have that right. We could use 'equal' force for personal defense, but we have no mandate to escalate the threat level beyond the means necessary to counter the threat.

Posted by: Ruler4You | June 12, 2010 2:33 AM | Report abuse

well where can i start. what if this was the other way around american boy running from mexican police running to usa side and while on usa side decides to throw rocks at police and mexican police shot him is that wrong? well i think yes not because of the gun shots but the fact that when face with border line both side should consider more options and not fast ones some thing of training for and for those who said thing about mexican southern borders well true but doesnt mean that usa should justify or act the same show us who has a better way of doing thing. so intead of playing the blame game what is been done on both side to keep the borders safe. usa and mexican border partol yes mexico too they want safety to the mexican well arest them when seen trying to get to the border and inform them or make laws on the mexican side to make is act of crossing a crime to lead to jail time.pretty sure this will cut down on illegal crossing. im happy my parents cross back in the days but what if some thing wrong happen to then then i wouldnt be happy. so think crossing the border illegally is dangerous so shouldnt be done.

Posted by: bmr76 | June 12, 2010 5:03 AM | Report abuse

Was it last year that a policeman shot at some teenagers who he claims through some snow balls at him?

Posted by: edmundsingleton1 | June 12, 2010 5:16 AM | Report abuse

The duplicity by law enforcement on this forum is pretty stark.

On the one hand we are admonished that the BG has a presumption of innocence.

But at the same time we are to accept the unsubstantiated claim by the BG that the 15-yr old was a drug gangster somehow deserving of a summary extra-judicial assassination without benefit of trial.

There is no presumption of innocence for the child only for the lethal force of the Border Guard.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

"Are you kidding me? If you think that was an apprpriate use of force you're probably white, Republican, and terrified of losing your country to "them". You cowards online show your true hypocrisy in the words you spew anonymously online."
Posted by: makh1971 | June 11, 2010 12:52

That was a justifiable use of force against a Mexican pig that deserved to be shot, as many of them do, especially the ones in this country who run through the streets holding the Mex rag high overhead.

The economy is at the beginning of another housing bust, plus the stimulus bubble has burst. The delay it created in this collapsed economy has passed. This multicultural pig sty is finished, and Thank God for it.

And I, personally, would like to face off with you during civil war II, which is just a "stone's throw" away, if you will pardon the pun. It's coming down at last.

Militiaman307@gmail.com

Posted by: sailor4330 | June 12, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

TO sailor4330 | June 12, 2010 7:59 AM:

You are a textbook example of the kind of racist Reich-wing sociopath that believes murdering non-white children is acceptable.

The only people who are defending this shooting are racists and right-wing extremists.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

All of you who think this Federal Agent was wrong go watch the full length video on Univision and listen to the spanish being spoken by the woman shooting the video. .. the kid was clearly assaulting the Federal Agents as the Mexican woman states.

Facts..

-This kid was not throwing stones. He WAS throwing BRICKS and CONCRETE at a US federal Law Enforcement Agent.

- This "schoolboy" has been arrested on 6 different occasions by Federal Agents for criminal activity.

- This "schoolboy" is on the top ten list of juvenile offenders in El Paso, TX.

- The video clearly shows the Federal Agent surrounded by brick throwers.

- The video clearly shows the Federal Agent giving verbal warnings and commands in Spanish to these brick throwers assaulting him before he fired his weapon.

- This schoolboy has admitted under sworn oath that he is part of a human smuggling ring.

- The video clearly shows this kid trying to enter the US.

For those of you who think that rock throwing is not worthy of lethal force. Please dress up in full hockey pads and allow 5 of your neighbors or friends to throw pieces of concrete and bricks at you from even the distance of 30 yards away. You will be seriously injured even with hockey pads on.

Thank you US Border Patrol.


Posted by: iwsswp | June 12, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Simple lesson here, beaners- don't throw rocks at people with guns. This stupid kid won't be doing it anymore.

Posted by: dooshbag1 | June 12, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I have looked at this tape three times.

I see birds flying not bricks.

I see teenagers under the bridge never get any closer than fifty feet from the BP and his prisoner once they have run from the fence and the guard.

I do not see any stones or rocks landing near the arrest. or landing. Period.

I do not see any teenagers with arms cocked back for throwing.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

aahpat,

so are you saying that the Federal Agent just shot an unarmed kid for no reason?

Do you understand Spanish? You should if you really want to have an opinion on such a grainy low quality video. You can clearly hear multiple witnesses say clearly in spanish that rocks were being thrown at the Federal Agent.

And for the record you can clearly see all Mexican parties surrounding the agent after trying to enter the US illegally.

Question.... do you think that throwing rocks, stones, bricks, concrete at Federal Law Enforcement Agents should be tolerated? Do you think such actions can be deadly?

If not, I ask that you try the hockey pads/neighbor/friend test above and come back with a educated argument.

Posted by: iwsswp | June 12, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

The kid the guard busted went through the fence on the American side into the river area. Other kids were in the river area and fled to the Mexican side when the bike patrol arrived. Once they fled they never seemed to come within fifty feet of the guard with the prisoner.

If the kids were throwing "bricks" and coming anywhere near the guard it did not show on the take. A red clay brick weighs 6-lb. If these kids were throwing 6-lb weights fifty foot or more they should be recruited for the major leagues.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

TO iwsswp | June 12, 2010 10:35 AM

First you enumerate things that you could see clearly. when I refute that you call the tape grainy and go for your interpretation of statements of witness. While I am not my wife speaks spanish and she could not make out clear and unambiguous statements.

I do not believe that shooting across international borders at stone throwers is acceptable. Even with the stone throwing provocation. there are non-lethal crowd control responses that the guard should have had available.

I hope the guard is extradited to Mexico where the crime was committed. If the government finds it harder and harder to recruit for these unnecessary jobs then the government will change the failed laws that are actually causing the problems.

Federal agents murdering unarmed juvenile civilians across international borders with high powered weapons is never tolerable.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

aahpat,

I can not have a educated debate with you if you think that throwing rocks, concert and or bricks at law enforcement officers is acceptable.

I can not have an educated debate with you if you dont believe in our laws, constitution or supreme court rulings. An officer does not need to go up some imaginary use of force continuum. If that officer (and/or another reasonable officer) can articulate FACTS as to why he/she used deadly force and it is found reasonable, then it is a justified use of force. An officer does not need to wait until he/she sees the muzzle of a gun, or his/her head to be crushed by a brick before he/she can use deadly force.

Its very easy for you to watch the video from the comfort of your couch and be a monday morning quarterback thinking that he should have had another gun with rubber bullets, a slingshot, and a plethora of stones to fire back in return against multiple assailants assaulting him with deadly force....., but until you have been through what these guys and gals have, until you understand the reality of border violence and crime (not what you read and hear), and until you have ever experienced an assault of punches, rocks, bullets...you have no leg to stand on, and zero credibility to debate from your couch.

If you are in America, you should be thankful for the men and women of the US border Patrol and other law enforcement officer who enforce our laws and protect us so that the next time you come out of starbucks drinking your cafe latte you are not assaulted by street thugs with rocks. I bet when that happens you wish that one of these Federal Agents had your back.

Hows that couch? comfy?

Posted by: iwsswp | June 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

TO iwsswp | June 12, 2010 11:03 AM:

"I can not have a educated debate with you if you think that throwing rocks, concert and or bricks at law enforcement officers is acceptable."


No! You are saying that you refuse to have an adult conversation with an American tax payer who has not 100% agreed with you in advance.


"I can not have an educated debate with you if you dont believe in our laws,"


I do not believe in or support the War on Drugs prohibition policy. I support even less people who use this ongoing human rights atrocity to justify and rationalize the shooting of a juvenile across international borders. There are too many non-lethal responses to stone throwing and small crowd control, especially in a diplomatic environment, for law enforcement to take a first option of firing live rounds at children who are clearly so far away at the time of the shooting that their stones could not have been a threat.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

TO iwsswp | June 12, 2010 11:03 AM:

A POI.

I spent twenty years as a hard news photo-journalist on the major city streets of America. I have documented live more live fire situations than most individual police officers ever experience.

There was no excuse for the aimed fire, or to even have his weapon exposed, when he was struggling with a suspect. He was damned lucky that the kid he was holding didn't start after the weapon. The guard should have had mace to subdue the prisoner in hand prior to risking the weapon becoming involved in the uncontrolled fight situation.

I think that the guard overreacted but he was clearly not given enough alternatives to overreacting. If this situation has happened before, as BP supporters like to claim, then there should have been contingencies other than lethal force available to this known and expected threat.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I greatly appreciate that police have an impossible situation enforcing a failed Drug War policy that is actually causing the problems it is claimed to be addressing.

Literally, the harder the laws are enforced the greater the criminal anarchy grows. Its economics and immutable. All that can be done to reduce the danger to police, citizens and children, is to regulate, license and tax the violent criminal anarchy out of the distribution of intoxicant drugs. Regulated and licensed pharmacists, doctors and tavern owners do not hire children to throw rocks at law enforcement.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It sickens me to read today that the FBI is opening an investigation to determine whether this Border Patrol agent violated the civil rights of this teenager, who, along with two others attempted to stone the Border Patrol agent while he was trying to handcuff their friend. Mexico has decided to charge the agent with murder. It sickens me because federal agents from all agencies face threats and assaults all the time. Have we already forgotten the murder of an IRS employee in Austin?
Federal agents need to stand together and threaten a strike, or sickout. They need to support this man who was under assault with baseball size rocks. They could very well have killed the agent. The FBI has some nerve trying to come up with a "crime" to please Obama. Look at the FBI's history. Who are they to investigate any federal agent? If this persecution stands, no federal agent is safe from assault or murder. Under no circumstances should any threat or assault be tolerated.

Posted by: AnnsThought | June 12, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Where was the outrage when the Mexican military helicopter crossed the border into Texas more than once? Or when the Texas BP was fired on from across the Rio Grande on a daily basis? Or when the Arizona rancher was shot on his own land?

Some of you folks pick entirely the wrong things to be incensed about.

Who really cares that the BP is aggressed against on our soil every single day? Had you even heard about the tight ropes and cables that the Mexicans stretch across the narrow roads that the BP uses when on their ATVs...at night..with the intent of injuring or killing some BP?

So, a Mexican kid got shot? Maybe the BP is tired of the aggressions, having rocks thrown at their patrol cars, breaking their windshields, injuring them,shooting at them, etc.

Have you seen the videos of all the arms and ammo that is being sent into THIS country? Who are those weapons for? Who are they intended to shoot? Americans, do you suppose?

Were it up to me, crossing our border illegally would be a surefire death warrant.

Posted by: jdwestus | June 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If you truly want to support law enforcement and stop their being put into untenable and unnecessary confrontations then DEMAND that your members of congress and agency heads support S-714 to create a national criminal justice system commission to evaluate the effectiveness of the laws that are putting law enforcement lives at risk needlessly.

The House version is H.R.5143

If there are responsible science based and humane alternatives to putting the lives of law enforcement at risk of life and limb America and all law enforcement should demand it. And demand it now before any more Border Patrol agents are caught unequipped and unprepared in life and death confrontations.

Contact:
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php)

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If Mexians (prospective illegal aliens like the kid) do not want to have problems this side of the border, do not cross the border. This will happen again if prospective illegal aliens try to cross the border. The US agents are doing their jobs. They are protecting America. Americans do not want illegal aliens. That is why we support what the US agents are doing. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK US AGENTS. WE SUPPORT YOU!!!!

Posted by: post2009 | June 12, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

During World War Two on guard duty when someone approached and you said "HALT" it carried authority because you had both the means and responsibility to enforce that command. In a long list of these posts you are saying the Border Patrol has no authority. That is definitely a wrong attitude that will cause more violence. Why are they armed if they have no authority to shoot? With this attitude we are creating both disrespect and confusion. Before WW II there was never any confusion. The man with the gun had the authority to pull the trigger and you knew it so you did not test him. The death of the teenager is a direct result of teaching disrespect for authority. Regardless of all other circumstances he should not have been trowing any rocks. At 15 he was big enough to be dangerous because he could throw a rock big enough and hard enough to kill. At five a child could not do this. Read the post over again. Is this teaching responsibility where it needs to be learned?

Posted by: whit350 | June 12, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

What a joke...I am noticing some siting age of this rock throwing smuggler as a reason to dismiss his actions.

Last month in my town, two blocks from schools and churches, in a once civilized community, 3 illegal alien teens were finally indicted in a beating death. These “teens”, two 16 and one 17 years old, had a list of charges that would make Al Capone look like an amateur: Murder, aggravated battery, aggravated assault, attempted armed robbery, burglary, kidnapping with bodily injury, false imprisonment and violation of Georgia’s Street Gang Terrorism Prevention Act. Yeah, “Georgia’s Street Gang Terrorism Prevention Act”, another joke that isn’t funny. (Mothers and Fathers with students going to UGA read that above statement again. I bet it relieves your minds that I.C.E. got 52 of the 480,000 in Georgia.

Posted by: MELINDAP8 | June 12, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Violent anarchy by government agents differs from anarchy by criminal thugs because it invariably inspires the thugs to greater violence.

Effect of Drug Law Enforcement on
Drug-Related Violence:
Evidence from a Scientific Review
Urban Health Research Initiative
British Columbia Centre for Excellence in HIV/AIDS
http://uhri.cfenet.ubc.ca
March 2010

"The available scientific evidence suggests that increasing law enforcement interventions to disrupt drug markets is unlikely to reduce drug gang violence. Instead, the existing evidence suggests that gun violence and high homicide rates are likely a natural consequence of drug prohibition and that increasingly sophisticated methods of disrupting Canadian gangs involved in drug distribution could unintentionally increase violence. From an evidence-based public policy perspective, gun violence and the enrichment of organized crime networks appear to be natural consequences of drug prohibition."

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

aahpat,

You are debating like a liberal. Please stick with the issue and dont go on your border-less, drugless dreams of society tangents.

Do you think that throwing rocks is a form of deadly force?
That is a yes or no answer. If you answer no, then you are a moron and a fool. And if you say no, I think you should let 5 of us pelt you with billard balls to simulate what this agent was going through. Deadly force against rock throwers is not only boarder patrol policy, but would be justifiable deadly force as a civilian.


Posted by: iwsswp | June 12, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

The Mexican coyotes could have taken an eye or perhaps hit the Border agents in the head killing them.
Let's not forget the agents were on BICYCLES
and not in a car.

Go Arizona!

Posted by: DC50 | June 12, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

RIP


http://cbp.gov/xp/cgov/border_security/border_patrol/border_patrol_officer_memorial/alpha_listing_agents/

Posted by: iwsswp | June 12, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

TO iwsswp | June 12, 2010 7:28 PM

Broken laws beget anarchy. The more you enforce broken laws the greater the anarchy.

It does not matter what I do or do not accept. The issue is that there are broken laws putting law enforcement in greater danger than need be. If you are not willing to discuss the root cause of the problem you are unfit to debate the issue.

Posted by: aahpat | June 12, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Unless you have ever been personally attacked or had a loved one attacked, you have no idea of the fear it generates. The agent acted properly. Much of the violent activity that has be directed towards the BP can be attributed to this and past administrations. The criminal element in Mexico loves the fact that both the Bush and Obama administrations have tied the hands of BP agents. If more of these attackers were shot, the violence perpetuated by these criminals towards federal agents would cease.
Some of you are saying it is just a rock. Rocks kill, dead is dead regardless of what weapon was used. That agent is probably lucky to be alive and return home to his family.

Posted by: bradwhg | June 13, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey libtards:

Why don't you go down the road and begin to throw some huge rocks at some state police officers.

Then, please come back and tell us how that worked out for you....K????

Posted by: Brendasue4824 | June 13, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The Border Patrol Agent was in the process of arresting someone.

What if....During the struggle to arrest and getting hit with a rock at the same time....the suspect being arrested is able to get hold of the Border Patrol Agent's gun?

Our Border Patrol Agents are continuously attacked by Mexicans----many Agents have been killed in the process.

If the Mexicans do not want to get shot---then they should quit assaulting/attacking our Agents.

Posted by: Brendasue4824 | June 13, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

aahpat,

Nice try again. But you refuse to answer a simple question. Is throwing rocks a form of deadly force? Simple question. You dance like a liberal politician.

Here are some examples and really life stories of what rocks do to Law Enforcement Agents...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/06/how_much_abuse_should_officers.html

Posted by: iwsswp | June 13, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Do not use a deadly weapon against armed police and not expect return fire!!

The return fire by the police was self-defense!!

The punk Kid should get a darwin award!! (he was an idiot)

Too bad i'm not sad

Ming Bucibei

Posted by: Ming3 | June 13, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

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