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Senate fails in attempt to repeal 'don't ask, don't tell'

By Ed O'Keefe

Updated 5:49 p.m. ET
Efforts to repeal the military's "don't ask, don't tell" suffered a near-fatal blow on Tuesday as senators fell short of earning the 60 votes necessary to start debate on the annual defense policy bill by a vote of 56 to 43.

Tuesday's vote does not end efforts to lift the military's 17-year ban on gays serving openly in uniform, but makes it almost impossible to ensure a repeal is included in the final House-Senate compromise version of the defense bill that lawmakers may vote on during a lame-duck session after November's midterm elections.

The vote's fate was sealed early Tuesday, when Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), who supports repealing "don't ask," said she disagreed with Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid's decision to restrict the number of amendments to the bill.

"For the life of me, I do not understand why the majority leader does not bring this bill to the floor and allow free and open debate and amendments from both sides of the aisle," Collins told reporters.

Vice President Biden spoke with Collins on Tuesday to appeal for her support, according to administration officials. Biden has been lobbying senators on behalf of the legislation since the bill was in committee, and his call Tuesday marked a final push to secure a single Senate Republican vote.

Collins would have voted with Democrats to end debate on the defense bill if Reid opened the bill up to other amendments, she said, adding: "If there's an amendment that's offered to strike 'don't ask, don't tell' provisions from the bill, I'll vote against that amendment and I'll help lead the debate against the amendment."

Reid last week announced plans to allow three amendments that would grant legal status to younger immigrants who attend college or join the military, would end a senator's right to place anonymous holds on Executive Branch nominees, and an amendment to strike "don't ask" from the defense bill.

Sen. John McCain blasted those plans, calling them, "a blatant and cynical attempt to galvanize the Hispanic vote in the case of the DREAM Act and to also energize the gay and lesbian vote in the case of 'don't ask, don' t tell.'"

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) agreed: "This is just transparent, brazen, let's check special interests bloc politics forty-something days before an election."

But gay rights advocates vowed to keep pressure on the Senate, with some believing they will have enough votes to end the ban if senators votes on the compromise in December. Several moderate Republicans have said they would vote to end "don't ask, don't tell" only after they review a Pentagon study of how repealing the ban might impact troop readiness and morale. The study is due to President Obama and senior military leaders on Dec. 1.

"This issue doesn't go away," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a group providing legal assistance to troops impacted by the gay ban.

"The Senate absolutely must schedule a vote in December when cooler heads and common sense are more likely to prevail once midterm elections are behind us," he said.

Other gay leaders were more pessimistic and blamed the White House, Congressional Democrats and gay rights groups for not pushing for repeal of the policy sooner.

"The Democrats have been against 'don't ask don't tell' for more than a decade and why we allowed this law to remain in effect for another two years is beyond me," said Richard Soccarides, a former gay rights adviser to Bill Clinton. "I think we as a gay community all bear a significant share of responsibility for not insisting that the unconstitutional and discriminatory policy not be ended right away."

"I think that the Washington-based gay rights groups made a decision early on that they were better off going along with the president's timeline and that right now that looks like a serious miscalculation," Soccarides said.

Soccarides and others have credited Sarvis and his 17-member staff for orchestrating a national lobbying campaign that targeted moderate Democrats and Republicans. The group organized a last-minute rally on Monday in Maine with pop star Lady Gaga to woo Collins and her Republican colleague, Olympia J. Snowe.

"I look to [Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman] Adm. Mike Mullen for my advice on 'don't ask don't tell,'" Collins said Tuesday in response to Gaga's efforts.

The unsuccessful vote is likely to cause more political headaches for the White House, which has taken several steps to advance gay rights through presidential memos. But Obama declined to institute a moratorium on the discharges of gay soldiers by executive order, saying Congress should vote to repeal the law. He has vowed to sign a defense bill with repeal after certifying the Pentagon study.

Separately, the Justice Department would not say Tuesday whether it plans to appeal a California federal judge's ruling that "don't ask, don't tell" is unconstitutional. The government has until Thursday to appeal the decision.

Hours before Tuesday's vote, Obama's choice to lead the Marine Corps, Gen. James Amos, told the Senate Armed Services Committee that he doesn't think lawmakers should lift the gay ban.

Morale could suffer and a change in personnel policy could impact ongoing operations in Afghanistan, Amos said, echoing sentiments expressed earlier this year by current Marine Corps Commandant, Gen. James T. Conway.

The Pentagon would not comment on Tuesday's vote. "This was an internal procedural matter for the Senate," said spokesman Geoff Morrell.

Several conservative groups agree with military leaders and heralded Tuesday's failed vote. Penny Nance, head of the Concerned Women of America, said Senate Democrats attempted to "covertly hijack good legislation" with non-military issues, including provisions allowing for abortions at military bases.

"The vote is a great victory for conservative values," Nance said.

Staff writers Scott Wilson, Craig Whitlock and Jerry Markon contributed to this report.

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By Ed O'Keefe  | September 21, 2010; 11:37 AM ET
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I strongly hope people get out there and make their votes count against this law. It is the right of the individual on their sexual orientation, and these are the people who are risking their lives every day to keep our freedom in this Country.

Posted by: brandifarrar | September 21, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

There were plenty of gays and lesbians in the military back in the 1970's when I served in the Army. It didn't distract us from our assigned jobs. It didn't cause problems in the barracks. Gays lived their lives, and straight people lived their lives, and we were friends. The fears are unfounded. There is no "sexual tension" in the barracks. Gays don't attack straight people.

Posted by: AnnsThought | September 21, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Just like Obama to fail to come out and strongly support something he says he advocates. He's making a yet another big mistake in failing to speak out when it would do some good.

Posted by: mtravali | September 21, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Anns Thought is perfectly correct. I served '74-'82 USN, saw combat also. I know I served with gay folks and it was never a problem. It seems to me the people most upset and vocal about this are those that never served and never will. Which means it's none of your business. The GOP is a dinosaur. America, grow up and join the 21st century.

Posted by: jckdoors | September 21, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I sat and watched when that Black woman was talking to the President in "third person terms" yesterday, and as much as I may agree with some of the things she said. I must tell her it's her fault for been such a naive black woman. First thing a black woman must learn, do not expect for a Black man to take care of you the way a white man take cares of his. The wind is against Blacks in that category...

But...

For her to stand there and act like this country is going to hell and highwater is just plain old black magic bulls*it! Majority of Blacks will always stand with this man. But if you're life is such a disappointment try living in a community where the median income is less than 10,000 annually a house hold, while at the same time trying to pull yourself up by your bootstraps

MS. BLACK LADY IN YESTERDAY AUDIENCE...DID THAT MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD TO GO AFTER THE BLACK MAN IN FRONT OF MAJORITY WHITE

GOP STANDS BY THEY OWN
BLACK WILL DEFINITE STAND BY OBAMA

BLACK LADY IN YELLOW DRESS YESTERDAY...WAY A UNDERCOVER U.S CHAMBER PAID EMPLOYEE

DADT
YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF MAJORITY OF AMERICANS

GOP
DESPITE MSNBC WHACKED OUT NEWS CAST...YOU WILL NOT GAIN THE HOUSE NOR THE SENATE

MSNBC
WHEN NOVEMBER 3RD COMES AROUND AND DEMS WIN...YOU NEED TO DO SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION ON THAT DAYTIME NEWS THINGY...

HOW MUCH LONG MUST WE KEEP SEEING
CHRIS JENSEN
ALICE WITT

THOSE TWO ARE TWO TIRED OLD BROADS THAT NEED TO WORK LATE NIGHT ON THE WEEKEND

TAMRON HALL
GIRLFRIEND NEVER WORK FOR NEPOTISM IRISH...AS A BLACK PERSON YOU WILL BE THE FIRST TO BE TOSSED AROUND

RACHAEL MADDOW
I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU I LOVE YOU

KEITH OLBERMANN
SORRY ABOUT YOUR PARENTS...BUT YOU NEED TO GET OUT OF THAT NEGATIVE DITCH

ED SCHULTZ
YOU'RE THE MAN

AND IF I DIDN'T MENTION YOU, IT MEANS THAT YOU'RE NOT WORTHY AND DON'T LEAVE AN IMPRESSION

CAN ANYONE SAY? DAILY RUNDOWN

Posted by: danders5000 | September 21, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Why is it that who a person choses to love causes so much fear? How pathetic that the country claiming to be the leader of the free world harbors such blatant and open discrimination.

Posted by: dem4life1 | September 21, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Bishop Harry R. Jackson Jr. of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, who leads a coalition of African American religious leaders who oppose repealing "don't ask," warned that ending the ban would impose "the most radical form of social experiments" on troops.

What an interesting comment coming from an African American leader. If it wasn't for integration policies of the military paving the way for desegregration in the civilian side, I suppose we would never have taken that "radical" step of eliminating "whites only" drinking fountains and public facilities.

I guess Mr. Jackson should be very thankful that there were others out there with far more moral courage than he has, or he would still be in the back of the bus.

Posted by: bryangalt1 | September 21, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Real men workout and love their fighting comrades. Only religious extremists who claim Exclusive and detailed knowledge about the wants and desires of THE SUPREME BEING oppose the 5% of men who are, by design, gay.

They need to worry about their own need to hate and not how others love.

Posted by: thebobbob | September 21, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

It is so sickening to see the politicians from both sides played this game of the year long study on this issue knowing well that dems will the lose control of the senate and then they can blame the failure to repeal this law on republicans. On the other hand republicans pretend to care for the issue now at the same time will not allow the repeal once they gain majority in congress and will blame it on the extreme right members of their party. In the end both parties want to play it "safe" and not repeal the law. It's the old school politicians in both parties and the right wing members as well as old school military officers who are against the gays and not the general public nor the common soldiers. Politcians have made a this issue into a game.

Posted by: Lawrencer1 | September 21, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

no matter the result,whiners on both sides of the issue will be screaming discrimination and will be insisting this should go the supremes for judgement.get a grip fools. how bout a national referendum on this and illegals. perhaps it is time for the CITIZENS to voted yea or nay and that should decide both issues once and for all. not a bunch of self serving pols or so called activist judges

Posted by: pofinpa | September 21, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

What was our policy during WWII and Viet Nam when the Draft was in effect? Were records kept re alleged or real homosexuals? If not, why does volunteerism treat homosexuals differently?

Posted by: geesam47 | September 21, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I hope it gets filibustered. I'm tired of Senators adding extraneous amendments to bills.

Posted by: moebius22 | September 21, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Let's put this in practical terms:

Let's assume that the majority of gays are gay because of genetics and not because of choice. Let's also assume that being gay is not a genetic deficiency but just a genetic difference (like hair color). If DADT causes gays to not want to serve, and as a result a higher ratio of non-gays end up in the military and die, doesn't that increase the percentage of the population that is genetically gay?

Let's assume this to be true and look at WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq I/II wars. What is the mathematical chance that this countries percentage of GLBT citizens has increased as a direct result of the military's stance on homosexual service?

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | September 21, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

For the life of me, Mr. O'Keefe, why on EARTH would you quote Bishop Harry R. Jackson Jr.? Seriously irresponsible journalism.

Posted by: crzytwnman | September 21, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

You cannot equate an illegal alien depriving a US citizen of a slot in a university by filling it with a a foreign citizen who earns citizenship by serving in the US Armed Forces.

One is taking all they can away from the US people and the other is giving all they can to the US people.

Posted by: Elisa2 | September 21, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Homosexuality is a filthy, disease-ridden practice explicitly condemned by God.

Posted by: Smarg | September 21, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Federal Eye for the Queer Guy

Posted by: rexreddy | September 21, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

A vote for Harry Reid is a vote for a gay military and more border bandidios.

Good old Harry! He knows what he likes.

Posted by: battleground51 | September 21, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

smarg-God didn't write either bible, men did and they expressed their prejudices just like you are doing. Anyone willing to serve his/her country should be allowed to and be respected for it. You and the other bible thumpers are out of step.

Posted by: msjn1 | September 21, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

>>>Bishop Harry R. Jackson Jr. of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, who leads a coalition of African American religious leaders who oppose repealing "don't ask," warned that ending the ban would impose "the most radical form of social experiments" on troops.

The same was said in the 50's when Pres. Truman desegregated African Americans in the military. At the time, 80% of Americans opposed it. But as usual, it took a Democrat to move the country FORWARD.

Posted by: angie12106 | September 21, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Now that gays are out of the closet and flaunting their lifestyle, heaven knows what would happen if you allowed them into your showers and bedsides in close quarters. In the old days they were never so on the make in your face.

Just google a gay parade to see what they do in public.

Our enemies would love fighting a US army that looked like that!! Disorganized, seductive, tangled up in triangles and quadrangles...

Posted by: Jerusalimight | September 21, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Yes, remind the entire country - right before an election - that the Republicans offer only hatred and bigotry!

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | September 21, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Let them in!
Send them to the Navy.
Assign them as lookouts on the outboard sides of lowered flight deck elevators at sea in the North Atlantic.
High sea state.
All ahead Flank II! Hard to Starboard!
Problem solved.

It wouldn’t be the first time.

Posted by: rexreddy | September 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

One can only hope that the Republican senators who are lining up against DADT recall Leonard Matlovich (1943-1988), a Vietnam War veteran and recipient of the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart, whose tombstone reads: "When I was in the military they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one." Gay men and women serve honorably in the military. We need all of them.

Posted by: JohnnyU2Berry | September 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Need to vote out Reid so we can stop all these back door last minute deals in Washington. The voters are tired of it.

Posted by: tonyjm | September 21, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

@geeSam47- sorry to bust your naive bubble, but records were kept of alleged or actual homosexuals/lesbians. It may not have been on paper, but such innuendos could haunt a soldier/sailor during his/her career, if not outright end it well before the era of "don't ask; don't tell." The "don't ask; don't tell" policy was an attempt to appease the two divisive groups about gays/lesbians in the military during the Clinton era. In the past, you could be asked out right "are you/aren't you" and if you answer wrong so long.

Truth be told, I think this would have a better chance of being repealed if Hollwood (the entire entertainment industry) would stick to entertaining and keep out of politics. Having some hack artist who has never served in the military demand change, makes it well pathetic (and yes I am referencing the ever unoriginal Gaga). Things tend to worsen rather than improve when the open their mouths.

All that said, should it be changed...yes. Fraternization policies are in place, which means better enforcement. And it is not like we are allowed to take our spouses into the battlefield. As long as the fraternization policies are enforced equally there shouldn't be any problems.

Posted by: devilsadvocate3 | September 21, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

This issue seems so trite and petty compared to the Major Issues facing us right now: the Economy, Jobs, Jobs, Jobs..
Foreclosures, the Deficit, etc...and this is what Democrats are spending their time on?????

Posted by: ohioan | September 21, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

ohioan, I feel that Ed is trying to enlist and is afraid they'll kick him out. It's his blog and he's free to promote his agenda.

Posted by: jiji1 | September 21, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

DADT is about discipline and the ability to follow orders. If a soldier, sailor, marine etc is gay or not is not relevant it is their behavior on and off duty. If anyone in the service behaves poorly in any social situation then the UCMJ should be applied. I am a retired sergeant major with over 34 years service and think this is a waste of time and a distraction.

Posted by: Ronn_Greek | September 21, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Failure to remove dicrimination from federal military facilities would be just another Obama failure. The man just won't standup for anything.

Posted by: Maddogg | September 21, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

By refusing to vote in favor of repealing of DADT, the Republicans are merely making themselves appear to be homophobes whether or not they really are. And John McCain is just being too macho-man about it. Members of the military today are much more tolerant that he is. It's been a LONG time, John, since you were in the Navy and things have changed. You're old age is showing.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | September 21, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

now i tend to think that DADT is a non-issue... i mean, why look a gift horse in the mouth. if being gay will get you out of serving time in murder, inc... we should instead be working towards complete demilitarization.

but the other side of this is that here we go again with the GOP obstructing every single bill. as paul krugman recently wrote, "if obama came out for motherhood, the GOP would declare motherhood unamerican."

democracy has its problems even when it is the genuine article; which this is so plainly not. this isn't freedom and democracy. it is fiefdom and demockery. when a single speaker can shut down congress, bring on caligula's senator horse and slap his butt to get him bucking.

Posted by: tazdelaney | September 21, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Employment stand at just under 90%. That's a good figure for a global economy.

Obama must standup today to repeal DADT policy.

Posted by: Maddogg | September 21, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I've posted this before:

Why all this fear about gays in the military?

Are you afraid that someone will get a hard-n in the shower with you? Then you weren't ever in junior or senior high school gym class.

Are you afraid that you will hear someone beat-of at night in the barracks? You never went to summer camp, eh? (Even Boy Scout camp!)

Are you afraid that someone will come on to you? Oh, come on, you *are* a Marine, aren't you? You know how to kill someone three ways 'til Sunday. And they know it.

And whatever happened to "Just Say No"?

tk

Posted by: tkavanag | September 21, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Reading the comments here and everywhere on the web, the choice in November has never been clearer. We can push this country into the New Dark Age where prejudice and hatred reign supreme, or we can vote against Republicans and their Tea Bag surrogates.
Christine O’Donnell is blowing Dick Armey’s plan to pretend the Tea Party is interested in nothing more than “fiscal conservatism” and “smaller government” by letting slip that she wants to tell you how to behave, and who with, in your own home. You are an idiot supreme if you believe these panaphobic jerks are anything more than Klanners without their sheets on.
In reality, the Tea BAGGERS are zealots who are attempting to make bigotry and hatred into a publicly accepted “political orientation”. Vote for them at your peril, at least if you value “…life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | September 21, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I just can not believe that Republicans intend to fight to keep "don't ask, don't tell" in place. This is 2010, for heaven's sake. Everyone knows gays serve in the military and I guarantee the solders already know who's gay among them. This is a ridiculous position for the GOP to waste their time on.

Posted by: jaynashvil | September 21, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

How ironic that just like with Adrian Fenty, it's the blacks who are leading the charge against Obama.

Very deliciously ironic, since the only reason most blacks voted for Obama is that he is black, half-black or whatever he is at a given moment.

Posted by: medic2010 | September 21, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that the Senator wants to offer the so-called "O'Donnell Amendment" to ban master-ba-tion?

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | September 21, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Republican politics as always:

I will vote for it if we can get billions for pork barrel projects.

Republican racist and hateful politics as always

Posted by: mackiejw | September 21, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Mr. President. From bankers to a homophobic Marine Corps General. I am beginning to really think you are not who we thought were. It breaks my heart. But you say one thing, lead us to believe you will fight for the little guy and then your actions prove the opposite. These are scarey times, sir, and you are not leading. You are not a fighter. We gotta find some one else in 2012....... what a shame. There was so much hope.

Posted by: tarryh | September 21, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

In every war, from the Civil War, two world world wars, the Korean and Vietnam Wars, and in Afghanistan and Iraq, gay Americans have served their country and shed blood for their country. On 911 they perished at the Pentagon and at the World Trade Center, and one of the people who tried to wrestle the hijackers in the plane that went down over Pennsylvania was gay. From the beaches of Normandy to the hills of Saigon, to the ruins at Ground Zero and to streets of Baghdad the sacrifice gay members of the military silently made to their country lies hidden, except to their closest friends and family members.

Gay Americans are our sisters, brothers, friends, aunts, uncles, and neighbors. They are doctors, teachers, lawyers, judges, policemen, firemen, construction workers, chemists, accountants, athletes, and assembly line workers. They are and always have been willing to die on the battlefields our country fought on because they loved their country but it seems our country prefers to treat them as though they were dangerous aliens from another planet rather than see them as patriots who love their country who deserve to be treated just like we ourselves would like to be treated - with dignity and respect, not with hatred or discrimination. Is that too much to ask for?

Posted by: mjkoch* | September 21, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Funny, it was a gay man that taught a young rebellious American army how to train, fight, and work as a team-- his leadership and guidance helped a fledgling country win its independence. Ironic huh?

Baron von Steuben for those interested in learning their American History---

Posted by: Aimhigh2000 | September 21, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse


Harry the horse's asp Reid, the lying weasel, forced it do a vote instead of waiting for the military review to complete. Harry is going to be voted out of office in 42 days from now.

Nevada has 15% unemployment and Harry Reid's priority is letting screamers in the military.

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

How ironic that just like with Adrian Fenty, it's the blacks who are leading the charge against Obama.
Very deliciously ironic, since the only reason most blacks voted for Obama is that he is black, half-black or whatever he is at a given moment.
Posted by: medic2010
---------------------------
So you saw one black woman giving Obama the what for, and you somehow think she's going to vote Republican now?!? Dude, she's mad because he hasn't been liberal ENOUGH, not because she prefers Tea Bigots.

Blondie called to say, "...I'll have a cup of tea and tell you of my dreaming
Dreaming is free..."

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | September 21, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse


The question is whether this will bring in more people than it turns off to military service. In a nation where less than 2% of the citizens bother to serve their nation we’ve decided we want an all volunteer force, if you break that force then its draft time again.

Posted by: nuke41 | September 21, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is Our American Taliban. They impose their religious views, no matter how delusional, and insist on no change. Stasis, utter and complete. They say DADT is a "necessary" law that promotes good order and discipline in the ranks. It is GOOD for morale, they say. They don't want Fred hitting on Barney when they share a foxhole. What?! Barney cannot repel an advance from a fellow soldier? Besides, Fred is violating the standing order to exhibit military bearing. When the bombs are bursting in air, the last thing on the mind of any soldier is sex.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | September 21, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse


Illegal immigrants are criminals, and are not allowed to join the United States military. Harry the horse's asp Reid wants to force the military to accept criminals. They have no loyalty to the U.S. whatsoever - their being in this country violates our laws.

Reid the chickenhawk who never served a day in uniform is 42 days from being voted out of office.

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

@moebius22: Since DADT _originally_ became law as part of a NDAA bill, why is it "unfair" to repeal it in the same manner.

You say "extraneous", I say common sense and historically consistent.

Posted by: stevek2 | September 21, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain is sealing his legacy as an SOB:

Senile
Old
Bigot

Posted by: MarcMyWords | September 21, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Why are we still having this stupid discussion. All of our allies,including Israel, have lifted their bans, and have had no problems with it. some of them have had the bans lifted for years. Are we brain dead?

Posted by: garoth | September 21, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Why is it so hard for Obama to get anything done? When he was first elected, he had all the power in the world. He had everything he needed, as a friend told me. And, he squandered it by not using what he he had. He didn't pursue his vision of health care. He could have had huge rallies in Maine or in Connecticut, for example, to demand that Lieberman and Snow support the health care law he wanted. He was passive, allowed them to decide what to do.

He could have closed Gitmo without having to feel so vulnerable on national security, too, given that he campaigned on this. Again, he was unwilling to stick his neck out.

And now we're up to don't ask don't tell. Again, it's the same issue: he's reluctant to stick his neck out. And so we have Collins and Snow, again, wallowing.

Now, with respect to don't ask, don't tell, I am not versed in Senate rules but what Snow and Collins are proposing seems reasonable. The question, of course, is what number of votes are needed to get DADT into the law. That is, if they go the amendment route, can the bill have DADT language in it, subject to amendments? Or, will DADT removal have to be an amendment, subject to a 60-vote threshold?

Posted by: teoandchive1 | September 21, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

At least Collins has the 'manhood' to stand up on this issue. While Amos may have to resign or not be confirmed what this has done as essentially force a direct confrontation by the Services and the WH on gays. If Amos resigns unlike the Army Chief of Staff problem it is doubtful the Corps will have anyone who will back down.
Obama has his back to the wall and the bluff has been called. Now? who holds the real cards.

Posted by: KBlit | September 21, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The President should just cancel all funding to Iraq and Afghanistan until the unpatriotic Socialist Republicants stand down.

Call their bluff.

And call them up. Draft all sitting Senators who have not previously served. Give them a 30 day WARN notice. Let them die for their own foreign civil war of Republican adventure.

Posted by: WillSeattle | September 21, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Study deadline of Dec 1 is a pretext to avoid meaningful action on issue. McCain is his usual 2 faced self being on both sides of the issue. Collins is right. This maybe Obama's Soviet Congress but we need free debate open to many amendments.

Posted by: mascmen7 | September 21, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Don't ask, don't tell" is the institutional equivalent of the imperiled ostrich burying its head in the sand. It is a refusal to confront the truth and thereby undermines the ethical underpinings of the U.S. Military.

Posted by: omoobatala | September 21, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Repub, and admittedly I don't know all the issues associated with repeal, but I don't have any issue with someone willing to serve and potentially die for our Country. Joining the armed forces takes courage and I admire (and would admire) anyone willing to do so.

Posted by: zap123 | September 21, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Eighteen-, nineteen- and twenty-year old men distracted by "sexual tension"? While in their barracks? Oh, Bishop Jackson, how could such a thing even be imagined? I'm sure the good Marine generals know how to eliminate any sexual thoughts or conduct from their men.

Posted by: eztempo | September 21, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

The thing hurting military morale is fighting an un-winnable war. Get over your homophobic issues and move on.

Posted by: DidiB | September 21, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I never thought I'd see the Republican Party filibustering a defense appropriations bill.

Wasn't one of their objections to Obama two years ago that he'd voted against one of those bills?

Posted by: F_L_Palmer | September 21, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It is the DREAM Act being attached to the bill I have a problem with. Where is WaPo on this? Sneaky, skulking, back-room-dealing little weasel Harry is at it again. Please, good people of Nevada, vote this vermin out of OUR WH this November.

Posted by: inmanorj | September 21, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Republican cowards won't even allow debate on the bill. They are filibustering debate, not the bill itself.

We owe our gay servicemen and women at least a chance to have their issues aired. Why won't these Republican cowards look them in the eye and let them speak?

Posted by: lurkittyfb | September 21, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

KEEP SOCIAL EXPERIMENTS OUT OF THE MILITARY! THERE IS NO PLACE FOR IT IN THIS KILLING MACHINE! SHUT UP AND SERVE!

Posted by: jjcrocket14 | September 21, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid is deceitful in everything he does. What a slime ball.

Posted by: hunter340 | September 21, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The American people's voice is starting to be heard. Republican Senators realize that if they help the Liberals in their disgusting aims, they will be replaced.


The Obama Administration this year said it would wait a year and let the military study such a drastic change in policy, and the Democrats AGAIN are trying to renig, in favor of their extreme leftist, liberal, homosexual policies.


Goodbye Democrats. Goodbye. The American people now know just how disgusting your policies are. Goodbye.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | September 21, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are so out of touch they actually don't realize that the country has moved on from this issue. Pretending that gays don't exist and are not in every walk of life just isn't an option anymore. This is one of those things that our grandchildren will read about and ask, "Were people really that stupid then?"

Posted by: DaveHarris | September 21, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your valuable insight Gen. Amos -- particularly valuable since your background is as a jet pilot and we've been fighting a ground war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I can't find how old you are anywhere but to the younger generation, gays and lesbians serving in the military is simply a non-issue. I have young family members at both West Point and the Naval Academy. Guess what --they think DADT should absolutely be repealed. What they care about is that the person serving alongside them is competent. We have lost far, far too many skilled, competent members of the military to DADT. Repealing DADT will strengthen, not weaken, our military. BTW, I am 60+.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | September 21, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

So the military has been shedding vital personnel -- those proficient in the Arabic language, for instance -- in a time of two wars, all due to the service members' sexual orientation, and now Collins means to stand in the way of repealing such a wasteful, discriminatory procedure. Shame, shame, ever shame upon her.

Posted by: AnotherHagman | September 21, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"Bishop Harry R. Jackson Jr. of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, who leads a coalition of African American religious leaders who oppose repealing "don't ask," warned that ending the ban would impose "the most radical form of social experiments" on troops."

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Indeed, far more radical than expecting tens of thousands of active KKK members and Klan sympathizers to accept orders from people they would normally call, "Boy."

Posted by: edallan | September 21, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this right: China is creating all kinds of new technology the world wants. China is coming up with green vehicles. China is a new center of innovation. China is growing, China has low unemployment. And so on.

And what is the US concerned with? Sex.

For goodness sake, are we destined to become the Pottersville of the world? With belching smokestacks while the rest of the world goes solar...and dumbed-down jobs and rickety infrastructure, greens spaces ripped up for carbon-based fuel, preachers who encourage church members to shoot those they disagree with, and lousy education? Yet still chanting "We're number 1! We're number 1!" and "Country first!", led by the Patriotism Police (Palin et al)? Number 1 in what, national decline caused by an inability to work together to solve problems? Vote Republican if that is what you want our country to be: backwater of the world. Oh, your taxes may be low(er), but your country will be gone.

Posted by: WestCountry2 | September 21, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Re: the role of Sen. Susan Collins in the DADT debate and vote, I think it was Eugene McCarthy who remarked that liberal Republicans come to shoot the wounded as an act of mercy after the battle, which is to say that for all their good intentions, they are actually of little use in fighting the good fight.

Also, given the way Republican leadership ran the Senate when it last held the majority, I think Sen. Collins is being a hypocrite on the DADT/Pentagon budget vote.

Posted by: cassandra9 | September 21, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Don't ask; don't tell" is a euphemism for "Deny and lie." That is totally F'd up as a policy for this country or for anybody. It shows that psychologically, this country is very, very sick.

Posted by: foofoofoo | September 21, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Good for Collins and her fellow Republicans for playing games with our troops' lives with the added benefit of alienating minorities. Well done, GOP!

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Well then, let the Republicans continue their slide into a "hate-only" organization. They especially seem to hate their own for most any minor perceived violation. Pathetic "people".

Posted by: larry9 | September 21, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse


"If the Democrats can break a Republican filibuster." Yes that is the big if, isn't it Dims. The elections are in 42 days. Will the Dims even retain control of the Senate? Even if they do expect the GOP to have about 48 seats, more than enough to filibuster anything.

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

No one requires that a woman believe or say that all men are rapists in order to demand her privacy from all men.

Why do people call male soldiers homophobes because they want their privacy from all gays?

Integration of women into the military worked fine, but female soldiers do not bunk, bathe, and dress in the same areas as male soldiers. If the plan is to provide each recruit with his or her own private bunk and shower, then integration of gays and lesbians into the military will be successful.

Gays activists say not to worry, that gays aren't interested looking at naked men. But there's a lot of gay porn on the Internet to argue against that assertion.

Upgrading facilities won't cost much and defense contractors can get it done in good order.

Posted by: blasmaic | September 21, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse


Barry's pick to become Commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen. James Amos, is against repeal of don't ask don't tell.

General Amos told that to the Senate today.

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I am having the hardest time imagining why any self respecting gay person would want to serve in the military. It seems they are not wanted there. They would be a whole lot safer not putting their lives on the line for dubious wars, and I have a question for Blasmaic. How do you know there is a lot of gay porn on the internet, unless you look at it? And why would you want to look at it?

Posted by: wendystevens | September 21, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I am not gay and I am a veteran and I think that enshrining bigotry into law is a national disgrace. If Democrats were honest with their gay supporters they would not confirm General Amos as head of the Marine Corps.

If Harry Truman had waited for approval of the military to desegregate the military, it never would have happened. At the time we heard all kinds of threats of revolution if it happened. Now everybody takes it for granted.

Posted by: Desertstraw | September 21, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Ok so we can ask now ?

are you gay ? yes.. frontline infintry
are you gay ? yes.. frontline infintry
are you gay ? no.. tank or f16 jet take your pick.

Posted by: GoArizonaGo | September 21, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh Well I guess lady gaga did not help.

Posted by: TBsportsguy | September 21, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I was in the military and there were a lot of gay people there who were quite open about it. Of course they didn't come right out and say so, (because the brass idiots would have persecuted them), but everyone knew.

There was simply no problem. People in the military are judged on one thing only (in my experience). How well they do their job. Period.

Posted by: reussere | September 21, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the vote, military leaders' should be valued.

Posted by: janecolby | September 21, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

1) We need the translators. Somehow (don't know how come) seems there is a disproportionate number of gays and lesbians who have language skills. Not having their skills puts us all at greater risk. So I guess the risk of terrorism isn't THAT great. That's the good news. 2) In a jobless recovery, a career in the military seems to be a growth area. We are shutting it off to a significant portion of the pool. As to Senator McCain, I thought he said he would listen to the military leaders. I guess he expected them to always say what they said when he was in the service.

Posted by: RHouck | September 21, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the vote, military leaders'opinions should be valued.

Posted by: janecolby | September 21, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it. You mean they don't even want to act normal while in uniform?

So, will the repeal of DADT mean that boy soldiers can wear female uniforms and vice versa?

Where will they draw the line, or, maybe there is no line.

If gays are going to act like girly men, maybe they'll make the enemy laugh to death.

Geez.

Posted by: lindalovejones | September 21, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

This is good news. It means the Republicans are not so worried about terrorism after all. The number of foreign language speakers who left the military due to the current policy doesn't bother them that much. Now what will Rudy G campaign on? We have to fear terrorism, but we have to fear gays and lesbians even more!

Posted by: RHouck | September 21, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Of extremists and their stoking media outlets, Abe Lincoln would have said;

"You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time"... ;^)

- Balkingpoints / www

Posted by: RField7 | September 21, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

GOP = bigots
DEMs = cowards

This is who's running the country. No wonder everything's a mess.

Posted by: greeenmtns | September 21, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

They should call the bluff on these filibusters. Make them actually debate for the full amount of time. That would be too much fun to watch on C-SPAN... Senators forced to sleep on cots and pee in bottles in order to not blow the filibuster.

Posted by: james0tucson | September 21, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Why would President Obama nominate General Amos if he doesn't agree to end DADT. Who are these people who think homophobia is ok and what is the President who is Commander in Chief doing about it.

The time has come to hold Democrats as accoutable as we hold Republicans. It is time to stop giving any money to Democrats who will not move now to support and vote for repealing DADT.

My assumption is Harry Reid could have gotten an up or down vote if he allowed no amendments on the bill not even his own and agreed they can all come up on debate. I hold him as responsible for this mess as anyone else.

Posted by: peterdc | September 21, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama's main problem always has been he does not know how to fight even for the most simplest things. It will cause Dems to lose in November.

Health Care they should have taken the moral high ground. I mean we attack Iraq and Afghanistan to protect Americans (supposedly that is) then turn our backs on our own people! Yikes! But the Dems just collapsed on stage.

Now is the time for Obama to issue an executive order lifting DADT as a national emergency. In short, Obama needs to lead or he's gonna lose!

Posted by: Maddogg | September 21, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, 17 years ago if someone admitted they were gay or lesbian, out the door they went. With DADT, one simply doesn't know. Anyway, why should anyone be concerned about one's sexuality? Heck, bring back Go-Go dancing with all varieties of sexual proclivity. Boy, would some eyes be opened then. It's all around us anyway, so we have to live with it anyhow. Just let it be according to each persons "pursuit of happiness." Doesn't one of our revered documents call for it? By the way, I'm hetereo.

Posted by: maldelus | September 21, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Gays and bisexuals are responsible for the HIV/AIDS pandemic. They have no place in our military and in fact will destroy our military eventually. Syphillis and HIV are directly linked to these people jeapordizing all humanity.

Posted by: conrad031 | September 21, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

So far, I have not understood, the two sides of the issue. In the first place,military brass should make it known the draw backs to the people- it has become a political football. What happens if one gay is attached to a straight during combat mission-what are repercussions- is their a inter personal reaction. I am sure, every day, I come across gay and straight persons- I don't ask questions and I do not have time

Posted by: jayrkay | September 21, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

That's IT, Senators Collins and Snowe from Maine. You have each lost so many voters in Maine on this and several others pieces of legislation recently (and you know which), that it is highly unlikely you will be returned to the Senate in the next election in 2012.

Posted by: hfaulk01 | September 21, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to think it won't be too much longer until DADT is repealed. Our culture has shifted dramatically since the days of Bill Clinton's DADT. Young folks in general and in the military just don't see it as an issue. They've grown up with openly gay family and friends and know that you don't judge a person or a person's competence on the basis of sexual orientation.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | September 21, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

jarusalem wrote:
Now that gays are out of the closet and flaunting their lifestyle, heaven knows what would happen if you allowed them into your showers and bedsides in close quarters. In the old days they were never so on the make in your face.

Just google a gay parade to see what they do in public.

Our enemies would love fighting a US army that looked like that!! Disorganized, seductive, tangled up in triangles and quadrangles...

You haven't spent a single day in the military; but you have spent time thumping a bible. You haven't listened to anything Christ taught us, have you?

Like any soldiers, GLBT in uniform are concerned about 2 things: defending our country, and getting them and their comrades home alive. If you spent any time in the military you would know that. Current and future GLBT service members want to serve with integrity. By the way, don't you flaunt your heterosexuality, presuming that you are a het.

This is a sad day, but those that support equality for all, including all of our men and women in service, will not be deterred. While you cast aspersions on gays and lesbians, there are soliders, airman, and sailors that are out there defending your right to spew hate.

Posted by: bill_delgrosso | September 21, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Let me see here - we have Americans who are willng to die for their country and we have Republican politicians who say no they can't be allowed to die for their country - but any other American can choose to do so? How many of those Republicans voting have 1) ever served themselves in the military or 2) have sons and daughters serving? Probably close to zero (except for McCain and Lindsey Graham) but they sure want to send your son and daughter - of course - expect if they are gay.

Posted by: BostonBuckeye | September 21, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse


Well well, what a difference a few hours makes.

"If the Democrats can break a filibuster." And we know know they couldn't, and they didn't.

Meanwhile, it is six weeks until Election Day, when 37 Senate seats are up for election. See you at the polls, Dims.

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps it would be wise to wait until our troops are all home from those 'peaceful' Muslim nations where gays are BEHEADED for their sexual orientation.

"The People who cast the votes don't decide an election, the people who count the votes do. " -- Joseph Stalin

Posted by: CaptElaine | September 21, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone living in a military situation
(barracks housing or a bunker/foxhole)
should be able to expect sexual orientation to be subjected to service.
In other words "Don't Ask Don't Tell".
Nobody's business as it were. Most military
will know, but not discuss because of DADT.

Add to that, service in a nation under Shiria Law, which sees homosexuality as
a sin, and a felony, and the arguments break down.

Homosexuals serve now and are treated equally if they follow the rules. Believe me, there are plenty of rules for eveyone, not just homosexuals.

I suggest you take gay-rights campaigns to other platforms, cutting trail to repeal DADT, before you try it on the Big Green Machine.

Posted by: BluePelican | September 21, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I would love to hear those Senators who have never served in the military and who voted "nay" today explain to gay soldiers (and yes, there are plenty of them!) why their service to their country isn't wanted.

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | September 21, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Gays don't harm anyone and generally do their own thing. And, whether we know it or not, they are our family members, friends, and coworkers.

And they are 3% to 5% of the vote.

Give them their rights.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | September 21, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

To all Senators, both democrat and republican, you have violated your oaths of office in denying gay people equal rights as afforded under the Constitution. You are all cowards with no integrity whatsoever.

Posted by: Byrd3 | September 21, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Under globalization, which was a Republican program here in the US, the US is gonna have to join the rest of the world. Be it now or later we will join. Jobs are moving out and closing down in the US as a result of globalization and it does not concern any pol of either major party. DADT is just being used as a political ploy. Sick!

Posted by: Maddogg | September 21, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Republican homophobia strikes again!

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | September 21, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Comrades: Let us recall a recent headline in our dear Paper which alluded to a poverty rate in the range of 20%. Yet, Congress chooses to deal with a feel-good affair (acknowledged that those directly affected by DADT feel 'encumbered'), perhaps as much easier than dealing with a fundamental concern of a larger minority . . .

Posted by: rep15 | September 21, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Big news! Democratic Senate puts on a dog and pony show in order to cement the universal endorsement of the membership of the fudge packers union.

Posted by: edbyronadams | September 21, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The bill failed because Harry Read and his fellow Senate dems wanted it to fail.
They needed fodder to use against the repubs, and throwing the gay community under their campaign bus was the tactic.
Why else would they wait two years, and then introduce it on the eve of an election with no amendments allowed?
Shame on them for politicizing a human rights issue like this.

Posted by: mtpeaks | September 21, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

It is pathetic that 18 months after the intention to repeal this ridiculous law was announced anybody can claim more time is needed to study the impact on military readiness. The votes against ending filibusters are just political games that Republicans are engaged in for no other reason than making sure the Senate does not pass any meaningful legislation while they are in the minority.

Posted by: serban1 | September 21, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse


And at the last minute, unsurprisingly, Harry the horse's asp Reid (D-NV) voted with the Replublican for cloture, i.e. Reid voted AGAINST repealing the Don't Ask Don't Tell law.

Harry Reid must be looking at the two latest polls from today where Reid the lying weasel is trailing Republican Sharron Angle in BOTH polls.


Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Our military keeps us free, but not free to be gay and a freedom fighter

Posted by: Woodstocknative | September 21, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

No one is compelled to perform military service and anyone who joins swears an oath to defend the Constitution. I see your agenda uses the Truman model of social engineering in hopes of shifting public opinion into accepting gay marriage. This isn't Europe or Austrailia. It is America. If you don't like the rules or sacrafices that come with defending the Nation, choose another line of work that suits your life style and pursue it to the utmost. Note, there is no right inherent in the Constitution to serve in the military and each of you know that the rules governing the Services are designed to maintain good order and discipline. A life style is not the same as ethinicity.

Posted by: GMnStoneRidge | September 21, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives are sure afraid of lots of groups.

Afraid of gays and lesbians
Afraid of Mexicans
Afraid of Muslims
Afraid of Liberals/Progressives
Afraid of Unions
Afraid of Teachers
Afraid of Blacks
Afraid of Lawyers
Afraid of Europe
Afraid of Cuba
Afraid of Women

You just live in fear.

Posted by: James10 | September 21, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and perhaps Senator Collins should think about the big picture, not some petty argument about how many amendments can be allowed to a bill. Her lack of support on this vote is actually more galling than the opposition from Senators who have an issue with gay soliders. If she truly believes in repealing DADT then how exactly is she going to sleep tonight knwoing that she is responsible for gay soldiers continuing to suffer under this ridiculous policy? Well, actually I guess she will sleep soundly knowing that gays who have to lie to get around DADT are risking their lives to defend her. Nice job Susan.

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | September 21, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Attach it to the annual farm welfare bill. The they'll have decide if banning gays is more important than welfare for Elmer Fudd.

Posted by: Garak | September 21, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

How hard would it be to link to the roll call?

Posted by: androcles | September 21, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

screwjob21 you obviously know nothing about Senate parliamentary rules. Senator Reid's vote was procedural, not a refelction of his view on DADT, and was done so that he can bring this issue up again on a future date.

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | September 21, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Having served in both the Marine Corps and the Army, including a tour in Iraq, I don't see the big deal. Soldiers and Marines know more about each other than lawmakers think. Additionly the military is one of the gayest places you can be as far as the nature of the jokes and banter. Are we afraid someone may not be joking? People doubt gay or lesbian soldiers ability to fight. Similar arguements were made about African-American soldiers during WWII and we can now see the validity of that arguement. We also seem to forget the celebrated Spartans practiced state sanctioned homosexuality - didn't see that in 300. As far as interaction, uniforms and whatever other specious arguements people throw out, the military has regulations which govern all aspects of a service member's life. They will cover this area as well. If we keep DADT we should also get rid of women so we can reduce sexual harassment and assualt issues while we are at it. People learned to take orders and work with people of a differnent gender and race over fifty years ago, I am sure within a generation sexual orientation will be the same.

Posted by: chads | September 21, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Today is a shameful day in the history of America. Free to serve your country but not if you're gay or lesbian???

S-H-A-M-E-F-U-L!

To vote as your conscience permits is one thing, but to DENY others the ability to vote as they wish, but filibustering is represehensible, incomprehensible, and definitevely UNAMERICAN.

Shame on the GOP!

I will not forget this vote in November!

Posted by: ethanquern | September 21, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Upon joining the ranks of the military, every soldier or sailor takes this oath:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

It does not say anything about being gay. If the UCMJ does say something about being gay, it is that clause that needs changing. Otherwise, it should all be moot.

Posted by: luv2bikva | September 21, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The President should call their bluff and just defund DADT investigations, prosecutions, and declare a general amnesty.

It is within his rights and powers as Commander in Chief, and the anti-American Republicants will whine anyway, the old fogies.

Posted by: WillSeattle | September 21, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

This is unbelievable but only proves that the United States Government, and especially the incompetent and completely useless U.S. Senate is near total gridlock. After November there will be no progress and if the Tea Party gets people in the Senate, they will block everything. To Pryor and Lincoln...you are truly disgusting hypocritical morons. You are a disgrace to your country, to the proud veterans and soldiers who serve and die for our country. You represent everything I hate about our political system. To Collins and Snowe and the rest of the Republicans...words cannot express who much I detest you and your sickening political party. Shame!

Posted by: EricinMD | September 21, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

How is the GOP blocking a bill with a fillibuster Obama's fault is beyond me?

THE GOP FILLIBUSTER THE BILL, ERGO THE GOP IS AT FAULT

As usual. Them most rancid, hateful, backwards and useless political party in the world.

Posted by: Mighty7 | September 21, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The Hypocrisy of Senator Thume to vote against ending Don’t ask Don’t tell is the last straw. SEN THUME KEEPS HIRING MALE ESCORTS AND THEM VOTES LIKE THIS! THUME DESERVES TO BE OUTED FOR THIS! SENATOR THUME STOP HIRING MALE ESCORTS. WE ARE TIRED OF SEEING YOU ON 16TH STREET VISITING A MALE ESCORT. YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY ENDS WHEN YOUR HYPOCRACY HARM OTHERS!!

Posted by: Nearnortheast | September 21, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Ah, yes... the Republican future.

Posted by: canuck7 | September 21, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

let me get this straight.collins said it was the right thing do do for the country so she voted no.great reasoning.proud to havesuch a patroitic senator representing america.what a great leader collins is.

Posted by: donaldtucker | September 21, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If this is such a good bill, why don't the Democrats bring it up as a separate bill, go through committee, come to the floor, and go through the proper processes?

Well, they don't, because they know the bill ... very unpopular among the people that really count -- men in close combat units -- would get shredded.

This is one matter that will not pass as a rider, an earmark, or a midnight secret vote.

Posted by: JPMcC | September 21, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

DADT was not started by the Republicans as many post assume.

Started by President Clinton in the mid 1990's.

Posted by: rogergibson | September 21, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"It’s time America realized that there is no gay exemption in the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence.”

Barry Goldwater

Posted by: curtb | September 21, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse


I strongly hope people get out there and make their votes count against this law. It is the right of the individual on their sexual orientation, and these are the people who are risking their lives every day to keep our freedom in this Country.

Posted by: brandifarrar | September 21, 2010 9:32 AM |
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I take exactly, the opposing view.
I think that a change in the laws, regarding Homosexuals, in the Military, will greatly jeopardize the readiness of our Military, by causing many Conservatives to leave the Military, or to avoid the Military, altogether.
Most of the Military Families, those with a genetational tradition, are Right/ Center, Social Conservatives.
These people will not quietly accede to such a harsh change, in their chosen fields of service.
If the Administration dares to make the change, they'll lose many of our best sources of Military Warrior Types.
O'bama, and Company, do it, if you insist. You'll greatly decrease the numbers, and effectiveness, of the best Military in the World.
Dennis
US Army,
1961.
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There were plenty of gays and lesbians in the military back in the 1970's when I served in the Army. It didn't distract us from our assigned jobs. It didn't cause problems in the barracks. Gays lived their lives, and straight people lived their lives, and we were friends. The fears are unfounded. There is no "sexual tension" in the barracks. Gays don't attack straight people.

Posted by: AnnsThought | September 21, 2010 10:02 AM
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That was "not" my experience, a decade earlier. I knew of one Homosexual, and knew of several, perhaps, half a dozen, suspected homosexuals. They didn't confide in, or approach me. I made it a point to "not" bother them.
Sex should be a private affair. There's no real reason to change existing regulations.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 21, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain is a coward. He says he supports and loves our men and women in the Military but yet he continues to betray them by forcing them to stay in hiding. It seems to me that someone like Senator McCain who says he cares about the Military has had a supposedly bad history of betraying them. Well I say to Senator McCain our Military Men and Women who are in hiding have a much better war record than you could ever have hope for.

Posted by: sumo1 | September 21, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse


New WaPo headline reverses the truth, as usual: Senate blocks debate on 'don't ask, don't tell' -- Not so.

Senate Democrats are the ones who tried and failed to limit debate. They wanted to amend the defense bill jam through a repeal of don't ask don't tell, and force the matter to a vote without any debate. Ed O'Keefe's first paragraph is correct.

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Soccarides is correct in including himself in his list of those he feels let down the cause. As an advisor to the craven Clinton he should take a center stage bow. When Clinton tested the waters with his first initiative: to remove the Pentagon policy of actually tracking down gay members in its ranks and discharging them, the president recoiled from the backlash and eagerly desired to and proposed tabling the issue for six months. Lacking conviction and commitment for anything other than self-advancement, Clinton announced this famous compromise with the Pentagon.
It is odd that Mr. Soccarides omitted Clinton from his list.

Posted by: blindeye | September 21, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Get me a visa to somewhere tolerant. It sure isn't the US of A. What are Americans so afraid of? I give up!!

Posted by: mgre | September 21, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about DADT. I do care about Reid trying to hide the DREAM ACT in a defense bill. NO F'n WAY! Hopefully the Senate leader will not be leading much longer.

Posted by: VaBroker | September 21, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Our Gay Men and Women in the Military have a greater War Record than McCain could ever hope for. Its just a shame McCain helped to betray them.

Posted by: sumo1 | September 21, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Although not unexpected this decision is still an outrage to those of us REAL Americans who believe in the freedom guarenteed to all in the Constitution. Republican Senators, all of them, are not fit to be called citizens of this country. They are a disgrace (Add those two Democrats) to what this country stands for and to the Constitution. Other countries, Israel and Canada among them, allow gays to serve openly without major incident. Are our soldiers such weak little wusses that they cannot handle the same policies? This day is a blot on this country's history.

As for you homophobes, people like edbyronadams, you are unfit to live in this country. You disgust me.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | September 21, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Don't ask, don't tell is not discriminatory if requiring the same for heterosexual and homosexuals. It is about military performance and not sexual performance. Sexual orientation should not matter for military orientations.

Posted by: curtis4 | September 21, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

There sure are lots of bigots in this supposedly christian country. All of Christ's closest friends were men I don't remember Jesus saying kill all homosexuals and he had a woman friend whose sexual activity was questionable at best.

I was in the military during the Vietnam war and it was never an issue. There was never a witch hunt. We did our jobs and kept our private lives separate though I remember the heterosexuals (even the married ones) frequenting prostitutes when they were away from their wives and then bragging about it. I don't hear anyone saying that breeders should hide their sexuality.

We pay taxes, work hard and love our country despite the conservatives, despite people persecuting us, beating us or crucifying us on fences.

Many gays feel its their duty to serve their country and they do it honorably. Not all heteros have the same courage.

It's time to take our country back from the hateful supposedly god fearing Christians whom do not practice what the love and tolerance that they should.

I'm even more appalled when it's an ethnic person or person of color who has most likely suffered racial prejudice during their life times.

The need to breed does not necessarily make you a good human being.

Serving your country however is a need that transcends race and creed. Look at the minorities that have died in service to this country. Prejudice is wrong, plain and simple sexual orientation is meaningless.

Posted by: davidbronx | September 21, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break... Whats the difference between a Republican Homosexual and a Democratic Homosexual? The Democrat admits he is gay while the Republican stays in the closet? Our Senators today are a bunch of paid off wussies, both gays and straights. In 2010 who cares is someone is gay? We have MUCH bigger issues to address than the human condition.

Posted by: mtbunker | September 21, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Repealing DADT opens a whole can of worms. There are many types of immorality in American that are constructively accepted.
For example we don't fire people for adultery. Fornicators can't be thrown out of apartment complexes in many parts of the country.
The best strategy is protect homosexual soldiers from blackmail. Change policies to focus totally on behavior versus verbal statements being made. Si la vive attitude should work best. Hold people accountable for conduct alone. As for those who are most concerned, may I suggest prayer.

Posted by: peterroach | September 21, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The fact of the matter is homosexuality is un-godly and the gays should be persecuted not praised. Just think of sex between 2 men just the thought is disgusting condom or not that is not normal.

Posted by: boatmandude | September 21, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Republicans kill defense spending and rights for millions of Americans at the same time. Well done, GOP.

And you want more of this, America? Wake the hell up. Vote Democrat in November.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Hypocrisy of Senator Thune to vote against ending Don’t ask Don’t tell is the last straw. SEN THUNE KEEPS HIRING MALE ESCORTS AND THEM VOTES LIKE THIS! THUNE DESERVES TO BE OUTED FOR THIS! SENATOR THUNE STOP HIRING MALE ESCORTS. WE ARE TIRED OF SEEING YOU ON 16TH STREET VISITING A MALE ESCORT. YOUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY ENDS WHEN YOUR HYPOCRACY HARM OTHERS!!

Posted by: Nearnortheast | September 21, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

New WaPo headline reverses the truth, as usual: Senate blocks debate on 'don't ask, don't tell' -- Not so.

Senate Democrats are the ones who tried and failed to limit debate. They wanted to amend the defense bill jam through a repeal of don't ask don't tell, and force the matter to a vote without any debate. Ed O'Keefe's first paragraph is correct.

Posted by: screwjob21

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Not to mention the amendments that Reid wants to add have nothing to do with gays: Amnesty for illegal alien college students and anonymous nominee holds?!?

I don't like DADT but if I was a Senator I would filibuster this bill too.

Posted by: bbface21 | September 21, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Also it's funny how Republicans had no problem hiding amendments regards to Iraq, but Democrats do it and the Right pees themselves. When did the Right become such a group of whiny pee-pants babies?

Wake up, America. Vote every Republican out in November.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Although not unexpected this decision is still an outrage to those of us REAL Americans who believe in the freedom guarenteed to all in the Constitution. Republican Senators, all of them, are not fit to be called citizens of this country. They are a disgrace (Add those two Democrats) to what this country stands for and to the Constitution. Other countries, Israel and Canada among them, allow gays to serve openly without major incident. Are our soldiers such weak little wusses that they cannot handle the same policies? This day is a blot on this country's history.

As for you homophobes, people like edbyronadams, you are unfit to live in this country. You disgust me.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | September 21, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Ignorance is never an excuse.

One of several such studies, on February 23, 2010, the Palm Center (UC) released the largest ever study of gays in foreign militaries: "The principal author of the study, “Gays in Foreign Militaries 2010: A Global Primer,” is Dr. Nathaniel Frank, Senior Research Fellow at Palm, who last year published the book, 'Unfriendly Fire: How the Gay Ban Undermines the Military and Weakens America.' Also contributing to the report was top expert on the British military, Dr. Victoria Basham, as well as a retired Captain in the Canadian Forces and several social scientists who study gender, sexuality, and military personnel policy."

"This week, two top U.S. generals, Gen. David Petraeus, Commander of U.S. Central Command, and Gen. Raymond Odierno, Commanding General of Multi-National Force - Iraq, added marked words of support to the government’s plans to scrap the 'don’t ask, don’t tell' policy. Gen. Petraeus supported further study, but noted that the change in Britain, Israel, the CIA, and the FBI was 'uneventful.' Asked if he believed soldiers on the ground cared if their peers were gay, he replied, 'I'm not sure that they do,' and suggested that service members are more concerned with the question of 'how's this guy's shooting' than with who is gay or lesbian."
http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/palm_releases_major_study_gays_foreign_militaries

Posted by: IAmend | September 21, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The problem is...Reid and the dems won;'t just vote on a single bill and let it stand on it's own merits. Don't ask don't tell repeal would pass easily if Reid wasn't trying to shove the amnesty "dream act" down our throats.

Gays have a right to equal protection and freedoms even if it goes against popular majority and even if it does cause a logistics nightmare for the military. They are US citizens.

The dems have lots of leadership problems and a big one is... "Coons is my pet" "Gillibrand is a hottie" "the war is lost" Dingy harry Reid.

Not to worry dems, you only have to deal with the stupid little twerp for 43 more days!

Posted by: Straightline | September 21, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse


The chiefs of all branches of the armed forces, the Army, Navy, Air Force, and the Commandant of the Marine Corps have gone on public record against repealing the Don't Ask Don't Tell law. All of them. That includes both the current Commandant, Gen James T. Conway and his presumptive replacement, Gen James Amos.

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

So, why did the Dems vote against debate?

Posted by: WildBill1 | September 21, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

This is just the tip of the iceberg, if you low-IQ voters vote more of these Right Wing cretins in. As our troops hang in the wind, the GOP argues over using BIG GOVERNMENT to discriminate against gays. Sadly, these bigots' children look at them and hang their heads in shame.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I know from experience it's not about running around telling everyone you're gay. It's being able to have your partners photo at your desk, getting to embrace your partner when you return home from duty (just like everyone else), not being fired because someone ELSE outted you, having your partner get the same benefits as an "Army Wife" and sharing in the same pride of loving your man in uniform. What a shame that discrimation still exsists for those that would die to protect our freedom.

After having dated an F-15 pilot that served in Iraq I was not allowed to tell him I loved him when I would get that much anticipated call while he was fighting to protect our Nation. I was not allowed to greet him when he came back home and we had to hide our relationship for fear that he would be discharged. Try being in a relationship with someone you love so much but have to hide every aspect of your exsistance and then tell me it's fair!

Posted by: mayhewm7 | September 21, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

A vote for the GOP this November is a vote for using BIG GOVERNMENT to discriminate against your fellow Americans. If you support small government, but you vote GOP this November, you are lying to yourself.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps all of the gay troops should "tell" on the same day. A sexual witch-hunt seems more important to Republicans than military readiness.

Posted by: jack824 | September 21, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

To the professor, you as an educator should realize you can frame an answer by framing a question. Being black is genertic you don't have a choice about what your skin color is. To suggest that being gay is genetic despite an overwhelming lack of scientific eveidence is adding fallacy to your argument. Being gay is a choice, being black, white, brown, or any other skin tone is not.

To AnnsThought: there were plenty of drug abusers and alcoholics in the services in the 70s as well. To suggest a behavior is acceptable because there are a large number of people doing it is illogical.

Posted by: USMCMike | September 21, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

NOWHERE in the constitution does it give rights to gays.. NOWHERE and there is a reason for it We are a Christian nation and have no tolerance for them in any capacity.
Including military service Maybe the could start their own army. They could call it THE CDC...

Posted by: boatmandude | September 21, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Right claims to be against big government. Except when they need to use BIG GOVERNMENT to discriminate against certain groups of Americans. What voters apparently fail to understand is that they could be the next group being targeted.

There's still time to ensure your safety: vote Democrat in November.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

To the professor, you as an educator should realize you can frame an answer by framing a question. Being black is genertic you don't have a choice about what your skin color is. To suggest that being gay is genetic despite an overwhelming lack of scientific eveidence is adding fallacy to your argument. Being gay is a choice, being black, white, brown, or any other skin tone is not.

To AnnsThought: there were plenty of drug abusers and alcoholics in the services in the 70s as well. To suggest a behavior is acceptable because there are a large number of people doing it is illogical.

Posted by: USMCMike | September 21, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

homos lost give it up fools.join the military and live by ucmj as everyone else does. stop whining u are not special.

Posted by: pofinpa | September 21, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"Senate blocks?" "Senate fails?" No. Try "Republican minority blocks or obscructs."

Posted by: gce1356 | September 21, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

NOWHERE in the constitution does it give rights to gays.. NOWHERE and there is a reason for it We are a Christian nation and have no tolerance for them in any capacity.
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I missed the part of the Constitution where they mention heterosexuals only. Which section did you say it was in?

This Christian would like to see more Christian behavior toward gays.

Posted by: jack824 | September 21, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I sat and watched when that Black woman was talking to the President in "third person terms" yesterday, and as much as I may agree with some of the things she said. I must tell her it's her fault for been such a naive black woman. First thing a black woman must learn, do not expect for a Black man to take care of you the way a white man take cares of his. The wind is against Blacks in that category...

But...

For her to stand there and act like this country is going to hell and highwater is just plain old black magic bulls*it! Majority of Blacks will always stand with this man. But if you're life is such a disappointment try living in a community where the median income is less than 10,000 annually a house hold, while at the same time trying to pull yourself up by your bootstraps

MS. BLACK LADY IN YESTERDAY AUDIENCE...DID THAT MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD TO GO AFTER THE BLACK MAN IN FRONT OF MAJORITY WHITE

GOP STANDS BY THEY OWN
BLACK WILL DEFINITE STAND BY OBAMA

BLACK LADY IN YELLOW DRESS YESTERDAY...WAY A UNDERCOVER U.S CHAMBER PAID EMPLOYEE

DADT
YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF MAJORITY OF AMERICANS

GOP
DESPITE MSNBC WHACKED OUT NEWS CAST...YOU WILL NOT GAIN THE HOUSE NOR THE SENATE

MSNBC
WHEN NOVEMBER 3RD COMES AROUND AND DEMS WIN...YOU NEED TO DO SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION ON THAT DAYTIME NEWS THINGY...

Posted by: danders5000 | September 21, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse
-------------------------------------------
You're beginniing to scream and yell,
so, I'll cut you off, right here.
Velma Hart, is right about O'bama.
She was on his side. He's let down a lot of his people.
At least, Velma's not as gullible, and silly as Peggy Joseph was. She thinks O'bama's going to pay for gas, car, mortgage, and utilities. Google her. You'll laugh.
Boy,! did Velma take O'bama down a notch?
Did you see his face?
He wanted to go under the podium.
I like the way, Velma kicked his butt.

I'm quite sure that Blacks will stand by O'bama, regardless.
They're still standing by Charlie, and Jefferson, both thieves.
I'm sure they'll continue to stand by O'bama. 98 percent of them, voted for him. He has 26 more months to reign.

Don't ask, don't tell, is as it should be.
Sex, should be a private matter.
If the O'bama Administration dares to change Regulations, they'll chase off many Conservatives, who're the heart of the Military/Warrior Traditoion, of the best Military in the World, and greatly reduce their effectiveness.

Boy! I'm going to enjoy these two elections, 2010,and 2012.
Get O'bama out of there.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 21, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"heaven knows what would happen if you allowed them into your showers and bedsides in close quarters."

Yes, those freaky gays just wouldn't be able to help themselves, right?

Get a clue moron.

Posted by: steve-2304 | September 21, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

As you can see by comments from boatmandude and USMCMike (probably a fake handle, as the armed forces overwhelmingly supports repeal) this is what you can expect from your New GOP - using big government tactics to deny rights to specific groups of Americans.

Vote Democrat this November to ensure your saefty.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If this is so important, why does it 1) have to be hidden....errrrrr, "amended" to a funding bill, and 2) why does Harry Reid refuse to let Republicans offer ANY amendments?

The GOP has nothing to apoligize for here. Trust me, there are several RINO's more than willing to repeal DADT, but what even the RINO's can't stand is the Democrats method for trying to hide this and ram-rod it through.

But then again, those are the tactics we have come to expect from 'progressives' (i.e., they are smarter than every one else so they see no need to discuss any of their ideas), so I'm not surprised by the Democrats failure here...

Posted by: dbw1 | September 21, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I sat and watched when that Black woman was talking to the President in "third person terms" yesterday, and as much as I may agree with some of the things she said. I must tell her it's her fault for been such a naive black woman. First thing a black woman must learn, do not expect for a Black man to take care of you the way a white man take cares of his. The wind is against Blacks in that category...

But...

For her to stand there and act like this country is going to hell and highwater is just plain old black magic bulls*it! Majority of Blacks will always stand with this man. But if you're life is such a disappointment try living in a community where the median income is less than 10,000 annually a house hold, while at the same time trying to pull yourself up by your bootstraps

MS. BLACK LADY IN YESTERDAY AUDIENCE...DID THAT MAKE YOU FEEL GOOD TO GO AFTER THE BLACK MAN IN FRONT OF MAJORITY WHITE

GOP STANDS BY THEY OWN
BLACK WILL DEFINITE STAND BY OBAMA

BLACK LADY IN YELLOW DRESS YESTERDAY...WAY A UNDERCOVER U.S CHAMBER PAID EMPLOYEE

DADT
YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF MAJORITY OF AMERICANS

GOP
DESPITE MSNBC WHACKED OUT NEWS CAST...YOU WILL NOT GAIN THE HOUSE NOR THE SENATE

MSNBC
WHEN NOVEMBER 3RD COMES AROUND AND DEMS WIN...YOU NEED TO DO SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION ON THAT DAYTIME NEWS THINGY...

Posted by: danders5000 | September 21, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse
-------------------------------------------
You're beginniing to scream and yell,
so, I'll cut you off, right here.
Velma Hart, is right about O'bama.
She was on his side. He's let down a lot of his people.
At least, Velma's not as gullible, and silly as Peggy Joseph was. She thinks O'bama's going to pay for gas, car, mortgage, and utilities. Google her. You'll laugh.
Boy,! did Velma take O'bama down a notch?
Did you see his face?
He wanted to go under the podium.
I like the way, Velma kicked his butt.

I'm quite sure that Blacks will stand by O'bama, regardless.
They're still standing by Charlie, and Jefferson, both thieves.
I'm sure they'll continue to stand by O'bama. 98 percent of them, voted for him. He has 26 more months to reign.

Don't ask, don't tell, is as it should be.
Sex, should be a private matter.
If the O'bama Administration dares to change Regulations, they'll chase off many Conservatives, who're the heart of the Military/Warrior Traditoion, of the best Military in the World, and greatly reduce their effectiveness.

Boy! I'm going to enjoy these two elections, 2010,and 2012.
Get O'bama out of there.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 21, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The "Don't ask don't tell" policy is not unconstitutional, per se. At least it wouldn't be if applied equally to both homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. And actually I think a person's sexual orientation should be kept to himself or herself anyway. But if homosexuals insist on being allowed to be in-your-face about their sexual orientation, then, to be fair to heterosexuals, the military would have to SEGREGATE homosexuals in single-dwelling living quarters. Otherwise that would be unfair to allow them to cohabit with those they sexually desire, but not heterosexuals too.


Homosexuals should instead call for the "Don't ask don't tell" policy to simply be applied in a constitutional manner, so that the policy is construed only as meaning "keep your personal life to yourself."

But the TRAITORS serving FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY tried to use UNRELATED business as a vehicle to slip amnesty and the "Dream Act" [for those who don't even belong here to go to college] past the overwhelming majority of voters opposed to it.

Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, and anyone else in Congress, and Obama in the White House, by thereby aiding and abetting and encouraging illegal aliens have all thereby committed FELONY CRIMES, punishable by 5 years prison and $5,000 fine EACH count, and they should all be PROSECUTED. See:
http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/AidAbetUnlawfulSec8USC1324.html

Our country's economy is struggling, and we don't have enough resources to adequately take care of our own citizens, yet these TRAITORS want to give foreign nationals here illegally a "Dream Act" to go to college?!!!! That's INSANE PC Madness!!!!!!

And what do you think the over 20 million illegals already here would do if we let those TRAITORS give them amnesty, "free" healthcare, the "Dream Act," etc.? Of course they would invite all their extended family members and job-stealing amigos to come here too!

If you want to put a stop to the TREACHERY of those who put the interests of FOREIGN NATIONALS HERE ILLEGALLY ahead of us and our country's best interests, then you need to get on the phones demanding that all those traitors be IMPEACHED and PROSECUTED. The people of Nevada need to get rid of Reid. And the folks of New York need to get rid of Durbin too... as well as anyone else in Congress serving foreign nationals here illegally.

Posted by: tncdel | September 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"If this is so important, why does it 1) have to be hidden....errrrrr, "amended" to a funding bill, and 2) why does Harry Reid refuse to let Republicans offer ANY amendments?

The GOP has nothing to apoligize for here. Trust me, there are several RINO's more than willing to repeal DADT, but what even the RINO's can't stand is the Democrats method for trying to hide this and ram-rod it through.

But then again, those are the tactics we have come to expect from 'progressives' (i.e., they are smarter than every one else so they see no need to discuss any of their ideas), so I'm not surprised by the Democrats failure here...

Posted by: dbw1 | September 21, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse "

Hi Sparky, your side did this numerous times during the Iraq Occupation. And yet you're crying about it now? Go grab a Kleenex and clean yourself up, you pitiful wailing baby.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"Just think of sex between 2 men just the thought is disgusting condom or not that is not normal."

Tell it to your God. Even if you think it's a choice for humans, it sure seems like it's happening in other species too. Dolphins, primates, and over 1,000 other species, all documented. Even in worms with practically no brain matter at all. So don't tell me it's their "free will."

You need to ask what the hell is your God doing this for?

Posted by: steve-2304 | September 21, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is a dinosaur. America, grow up and join the 21st century.

Posted by: jckdoors
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What does "join the 21st century" mean? We are all living in the 21st century, as is, for instance, Osama bin Laden, and as is Christine O'Donnell.

There is an attempt by some people, mainly liberals, to claim that the 21st century belongs to THEM and we just have to go by THEIR decisions or else we are dinosaurs.

I am not speaking for or against DADT. I am merely protesting the attempts of some people to "own" the 21st century. It belongs to all of us who live in it and is not the exclusive property of any one political group.

The US had mostly balanced budgets in the mid 20th century. Does that mean that if we try to balance the budget we are going back to the 20th century and setting the clock back?

Think about it and don't use a mindless expression like "21st century".

Issues have to be decided on their merits. If we go back to the past, things were better in some ways and worse in some others. In those ways that things were better, we SHOULD do things the way they were done in the past.

Posted by: rjpal | September 21, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Whose side is Harry Reid on anyway? He doesn't sneak in the "Dream" provision and DADT has a very good chance of being repealed.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | September 21, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

TwoTermObama:
"New GOP - using big government tactics to deny rights to specific groups of Americans."

Would you call denying Americans the right to not buy health insurance a 'big government tactic'?
A liberal-statist (who thinks the government should make all your health decisions for you) complaining about the GOP using "big government tactics" is maybe the most amusing comment of the day :o).

Posted by: dbw1 | September 21, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse


Deposed, lame duck RINO senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska did not cast a vote. The only senator not to vote was Murkowski.

Joe Miller (R) now leads Murkowski by 15 points in the Alaska senate race, in a poll released today. Whats-his-name the Democrat candidate is even further behind.

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gen. Amos...go f yourself. I dislike people like you and would have you and these racist Republicans disposed of if I knew how and could get away with it. F Morale..this is about homosexuality being a disease, not about morale. I know it's hard for some retarded Democrats and some racist Republicans to understand, but people like me think homosexuality is a malady. So, !HURRAY! that this idea has been scuttled.

Posted by: RobertCurleyJacobs | September 21, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

You can die for your country but please don't let us know your sexual preference. How absurd.

Posted by: rlj1 | September 21, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Republicans hate big government, except when they need it to discriminate. Don't buy the Republican fallacy like you did in 2000 when you allowed them to use fearmongering lies to invade Iraq.

Vote Democrat in November.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

One can be willing to change the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, but still recognize that details matter to people in the military service.

Why stick to the same old policy of women segregated from men?

That's just making decisions based on body parts. Isn't that outdated?

Wouldn't it make more sense to reorganize arragements with respect to showers and barracks by sexual preference?

Science has proven you can change body parts easier than sexual preference. We know this, because the gay community says so. Therefore, it must be true.

So, the following policy makes more sense scientifically than outdated discriminitory arrangements based on body parts:

People, regardless of anatomy, who prefer women, in one living group.
People, regardless of anatomy, who prefer men, in the other living group.
Everyone declare their preference when they sign up.
Anyone caught lying about their preference gets kicked out of the service.

We can call the new policy:
Must Ask/Must Tell/Must Not Lie.
(MA/MT/MNL)

Then, we have total transparency, which I'm told is a good thing.

Straight males will welcome their lesbian comrades.
Likewise, straight females will welcome gay males.
Good Karma for everyone.

We can rely on military discipline to prevent the few problems that might arise under the new arrangements.

Then the President and Congress can go back to doing little things like fixing the freaking economy. The Clintons, who invented Don't Ask Don't Tell, knew its the economy stupid.

Posted by: jfv123 | September 21, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

steve-2304
Gay Dolphins is the best you can come up with.
BTW my God doesn't want you in the military either. But he told me he's working on the whole queer animal thing.
Is that a dolphin at your recruiter or are you just glad to see me.

Posted by: boatmandude | September 21, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse


The March, 2010 Military Times poll of 3,000 armed forces members serving on active duty asked the question:

"Do you favor or oppose allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military?"

51% were opposed, only 24% were in favor

Posted by: screwjob21 | September 21, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

This makes me sick!!! Do not support the
Republicans that voted against it and unseat the Democrats that joined them in order to keep us in the Middle Ages. The word "sodomy" should be banned out of the dictionary. There's no such thing as traditional marriage, as it has had different meanings and expressions throughout history and in different religions. Many great men in the greatest and smallest civializations were homosexuals.

We need to stop thinking that we have a world to manipulate to our selfish desires and ignore the intrinsic desires of a human being. We all want to love and be loved, so why get in the way of accomplishing just that? How does my loving someone affect you negatively? If anything, the more people are allowed to express their love, the more likely they are to be a positive influence in the society in which they live.

Rid yourself of the hatred which is in your heart. Stop calling holy that which only serves to incite fear and hate, for the greatest asset as a true Christian is not what you hate, but what you love. If G-D is indeed displeased with anyone, then let Him be the Judge of he who commits evil; you can only serve as a witness by the way you lived your own life.

Posted by: EGGArgost | September 21, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Liberals are the most disgusting, deviant political organization in the history of our nation. It will be punished for this in November.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | September 21, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Gen. Amos...go f yourself. I dislike people like you and would have you and these racist Republicans disposed of if I knew how and could get away with it. F Morale..this is about homosexuality being a disease, not about morale. I know it's hard for some retarded Democrats and some racist Republicans to understand, but people like me think homosexuality is a malady. So, !HURRAY! that this idea has been scuttled.

Posted by: RobertCurleyJacobs | September 21, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse "

Luckily cowards like you are at home watching Fox while collecting checks from the government instead of risking their lives overseas like so many of our brave soldiers - both gay and straight, right Sparky?

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

In general, I like the approach of a Jon Stewart or a Stephen Colbert to move people. But sometimes this stuff is serious. Homosexuals are not some random word. They are people who every one of us know and love whether we realize it or not. It's wrong to deny them the rights of others just because we don't agree. These are people who server our country but whose spouses can't pick them up when they are injured or dead. Whose children can't have the same benefits as other military children. This is just not OK.

Posted by: digtalcomp | September 21, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama is weak by not supporting this and the senate is a dysfyuntional group/ Cillins and Mc Cain will pay for their reversal just to spite Obama and reod respectivly. I'n voting Green from now on...

Posted by: crrobin | September 21, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm a former Marine Scout Swimmer/infantry squad leader. I served in the late 70's until the mid 80's. I have nothing against gay or bi people. However, they have no place in the military. What would the military have to do? Change their showers and bathrooms for gay and straight? Put only gays in one room and straight in another? As a former Marine, I can guarantee you that if a Marine was to "come out" while serving, his life would be hell on him. You'r talking about 18 year olds and just a few years older that are out there in the field under fire. While I was in, we did spec ops down in Honduras and Nicaragua. We had to rely on each other at all times. I lost my leg while serving and all I could care about at the time, was my brother that got hit with me. I say brother, because all Marines are brothers and sisters. We both had to swim to safety, him without a leg and mine barely hanging on by the skin. It's a real brotherhood unlike the other services. There were times when it was so cold and we didn't have shelter except for tree branches, and we just got out of freezing water and had to wait for hours to get picked up, that the only way to try to keep warm was by spooning. In critical cases, if we had sleeping bags and someone was going into shock from being too cold, you had to undress him, get another Marine undressed down to his skivvies and both of them climb in a sleeping bag together to try and save the life of the guy that was freezing. Can you see a place for gays in that situation? What about spending all night in fighting holes, one gay and one non gay. It wouldn't be pretty, I can guarantee you that. There's no place for gays in the military. Period.

Posted by: NoUturns | September 21, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Luckily this archaic mind-set will die along with the terrified dinosaurs that make up the majority of the Right Wing base. The new generation of voters will look at these Right Wing jokers and hang their heads in embarassment and shame wondering what took so long to repeal this ridiculous law. Funny how the Right screams at extremist Muslims for their Stone Age way of thinking, but the two groups share so many traits in actuality.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

These homophobes are a trip.

Posted by: wrw01011 | September 21, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I find myself wondering what other crap the Democrats added to this bill. Perhaps there were other reasons why this bill was overturned.

Posted by: liberalsareblind | September 21, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Now that you have tried to get a vote on DADT and it did not work. Mr President sign an executive order to hault the release of service men/women and reinstate anyone already let go!! They want to wait until the report ok. Then wait on the report before you let someone go!!!

Posted by: c-love | September 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the extremist Republican bigots and racists win again....with a little help from a few Dino's.

Of course, Susan Collins and Grandpa McCain both had ample opportunity to offer amendments when the bill was being considered in the Armed Services Committee. Their arguments are specious and wholly politically based. Passing DREAM and DADT would be far too popular for the Democrats leading into November, and there's no way the extremist Republicans--including Collins and Snowe--are going to let that happen.

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Posted by: DrainYou | September 21, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Now that you have tried to get a vote on DADT and it did not work. Mr President sign an executive order to hault the release of service men/women and reinstate anyone already let go!! They want to wait until the report ok. Then wait on the report before you let someone go!!!

Posted by: c-love | September 21, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

hahahaha!...ole harry and them slime liberals trying to sneak in some earmarks and BS admendments agaisnt the will of the people....isn't it funny they are fully blaming republicans with a liberal blind koolaid eye about Arkansas Democratic Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor.....why not be typical obama puppets full of koolaid and start WHINING ITS GEORGE BUSH'S FAULT....slime liberals will be crawling back under their rock in November..hahahahaha!

Posted by: JWx2 | September 21, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Now that you have tried to get a vote on DADT and it did not work. Mr President sign an executive order to hault the release of service men/women and reinstate anyone already let go!! They want to wait until the report ok. Then wait on the report before you let someone go!!!

Posted by: c-love | September 21, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Call it up and vote on it as a separate bill. Quit cowering under the guise of the overall defense bill.

Posted by: pjohn2 | September 21, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, Richard Socarides has zero credibility - why didn't he speak out against DADT when he worked in the White House?

Posted by: actupdc | September 21, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The GOP is the party of bigots. They parade and with loud mouths declare their passion for liberty and keeping gov't out of our lives but that's b.s. OBVIOUSLY. They invite the gov't to discriminate against gay persons. They insist the gov't get between a woman and her doctor. BIGOTS. You're disgusting and certainly unworthy of a word like liberty.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | September 21, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"What would the military have to do? Change their showers and bathrooms for gay and straight?"

Are you telling us that if you were stranded somewhere, with a woman, that you wouldn't be able to control yourself if you had to share a bedroom of bathroom?

Seriously? Didn't your God give you free will man?

Posted by: steve-2304 | September 21, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I sent the following message to The White House and the offices of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi:

Re: Don't Ask, Don't Tell

I am a gay man. For several years I was Treasurer of my local Democratic club in Bucks County. I worked hard in the 1992 primaries and general election to elect Bill Clinton president, with the expectation that he would increase funding for AIDs research. He did not, beyond the rise to account for inflation. He signed DOMA, which made me, for the first time in nationwide legal history, a second class citizen in my own country. For the first time since I reached 21 I did not vote for President in 1996. I worked hard to get President Obama nominated in the primaries and elected in the 2008 general elections. I will work as hard for President Obama's reelection in 2012 as hard as he has worked to reverse DADT and DOMA. I will also support Democrats to the extent that they have repealed DADT and DOMA. I am very tired of carrying water for Democratic causes and elected officials to find at the end of the day no water to drink. Given today's vote in the Senate that President Obama did nothing to help carry the day, I am now looking for another political party to give my efforts to.

Posted by: HarryR | September 21, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Come on, President Obama, sign that executive order and let's get this show on the road!!!!! Senator McCain, you are a hypocrite of the worst order. My husband is a republican and if he votes for you I will leave him.

Posted by: beaone | September 21, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Who is Lady Gaga? Does she know killing is a sin and what we need is peacekeepers not a bunch of gun wielding homos? Where is a real artist like John Lennon when we need him? The current generations are a bunch of neutered ninnies. The conservatives, conserve their money, time and effort, and steal all ours, and we like it!

Posted by: civicrecovery | September 21, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to see people wearing their sexual preference on their sleeve?

So, should it be permissible that people with other sexual preferences also get special recognition for doing whatever they do?

This gay thing is just nausiating.

Straighten up, and fly right.

For Pete's sake!

Posted by: lindalovejones | September 21, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I know from experience it's not about running around telling everyone you're gay. It's being able to have your partners photo at your desk, getting to embrace your partner when you return home from duty (just like everyone else), not being fired because someone ELSE outted you, having your partner get the same benefits as an "Army Wife" and sharing in the same pride of loving your man in uniform. What a shame that discrimation still exsists for those that would die to protect our freedom.

After having dated an F-15 pilot that served in Iraq I was not allowed to tell him I loved him when I would get that much anticipated call while he was fighting to protect our Nation. I was not allowed to greet him when he came back home and we had to hide our relationship for fear that he would be discharged. Try being in a relationship with someone you love so much but have to hide every aspect of your exsistance and then tell me it's fair!

Posted by: mayhewm7 | September 21, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

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You could've had the same relationship with your dog, fish, or your Chevy. That "still" would not make it right, logical, or proper.
You, on the Left, have taken logic out of context. You've Commandeered and co-opted, words, terms, and a major part of language, and turned into and aid, for a way of life, that's against mankind, and the survival of man.
There's no postive benefit, for open homosexuality.
Sorry, I don't use the term "Gay" in this regard.
I won't attempt to tell you that anti-homosexuality is fair.
Perhaps, neither is, Beastialty.
Neither can, eventually, benefit mankind.
No one ever promised you, that life would be "fair."
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 21, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

From CNN: "The Chronicle: "Senate Democrats attached the repeal provision to the defense bill in the hopes that Republicans would hesitate to vote against legislation that included popular defense programs."

I don't approve of what the Republicans did here. On the other hand, it seems to me that the Democrats made a stupid gamble, and ended up losing big."

Posted by: liberalsareblind | September 21, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Come on President Obama, sign that executive order and let's get this show on the road. Senator McCain, you are the worst kind of hypocrite! Senator Collins, when has a bill ever gone through Congress that didn't have dozens of other bills attached to it? Another hypocrite.

Posted by: beaone | September 21, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's put the blame for this vote squarely on the REPUBLICANS, who killed this bill. It is not surprising, since they continue to vote No on everything, except legislation that favors Wall Street and wealthy Americans.

Posted by: 189AROD | September 21, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's put the blame for this vote squarely on the REPUBLICANS, who killed this bill. It is not surprising, since they continue to vote No on everything, except legislation that favors Wall Street and wealthy Americans.

Posted by: 189AROD | September 21, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

If this is so important, why does it 1) have to be hidden....errrrrr, "amended" to a funding bill, and 2) why does Harry Reid refuse to let Republicans offer ANY amendments?

The GOP has nothing to apoligize for here.

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But still Reid gets what he wants: Irrelevant amendments, the peanut gallery going nuts, and of course the media dutifully reports that the GOP are the ones blocking the bill.

I've wrote many times, if you can't get a Senator like Collins on board, something's wrong with the bill.

Posted by: bbface21 | September 21, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats would "grant legal status to illegal immigrants who attend college"...

Thank honest patriotic Americans this failed!

There are so many aspects to this that are corrupt and unfair to American citizens, adults and children headed for college, typical for Obama and the Demcorats anti-American agenda.

The majority of these LaRaza college bound illegals would all qualify for Affirmative Action priorities thus bump American students. They would pay undeserved In State tuition rates while Americans would pay out of state tutiton rates.

More importantly, as endless surveys show, the vast majority of these illegals, under their high school hoisted Mexican flags, would not join the military. They would apply for in state and Federal eucational grants depriving stretched resources to Americans.

When will LaRaza and the Democarts get it? The USA is fed up with their special interest lobbying and the Democarts and RINO's pandering.

They're illegals! It's time we treat them as such and send them home of their own accord by depriving them of rights and privaledges reserved for AMerican citizens.......after sealing the damned open border.

Posted by: Patriot12 | September 21, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

But oBOMBa - that constitutional lawyer guy - said that it is much much better for us as a nation if we have the repeal happen by way of the congress, who enacted the bill in the first place… in other words, the president of the united states believes that our judges and court system is no place to have issues of law and constitutionality decided or debated. So yes, of course his administration will defend the government's gay discrimination. "Kick 'em out, hurry up - faster!" This is called POLITICS corrupting an otherwise clear head, maybe??? And F^@& the people - let them eat cake.

Posted by: LawsLuvr | September 21, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Man, I wish I was a senator.
Senator Seymour: Hey, someone wants to vote on something.
Senator Dooless: Oh yeah? What is it?
Senator Seymour: I don't know. Something about gays in the military.
Senator Dooless: Ach. Those gays are ruining my day. I have a pedicure scheduled for 2 o'clock.
Senator Seymour: You're telling me. I have to collect some bribes, I mean, um, meet with a couple of Wall Street firms this afternoon. Debating this issue could get in the way.
Senator Dooless: So you don't feel like debating?
Senator Seymour: Naw, d'you?
Senator Dooless: Nope. So let's not debate. I vote no to debating!
Senator Seymour: Yeah, me too! No debate!
Senators Seymour and Doless in unison: No debate! No debate! No debate!

Posted by: MarkDaniel | September 21, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Is our military so different from our NATO allies, all of which have not barred gays from their armed forces? Where does our homophobia come from?

What is the fear about morale? I know from personal experience, it was never an issue in Vietnam. Whoever protected my life under fire was my buddy no matter what his orientation.

I am certain that with the universal draft, there must have been thousands that went through the system, but homosexuality was not one of the disqualifying conditions. Otherwise a lot of young men would have used it to get out of having to serve.

Posted by: hwkirk | September 21, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

189AROD wrote: "Let's put the blame for this vote squarely on the REPUBLICANS, who killed this bill. It is not surprising, since they continue to vote No on everything, except legislation that favors Wall Street and wealthy Americans."

No, let's also put the blame on the Democrats. The Democrats were the ones who made a gamble, and ended up losing the gamble.

Posted by: liberalsareblind | September 21, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

This is a missed opportunity to do what is right, has always been right will live forever as a blight on the careers of those who blocked the end of this bigoted and biased law as another dark day in this Nation's history. I know if I were gay, I would reject serving this nation out of principle no matter how much my patriotic nature drew me to it. Why should I sacrifice my life or limb for a country that rejects me?

Posted by: moonglowsun | September 21, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

For a party of brave patriots, these Republicans posters sure seem to be afraid of petty things like gay marriage, DADT, and allowing an adult female control of her own uterus (GASP!)

Grow a set guys.

Posted by: steve-2304 | September 21, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Thank the Lord enough Democrats came to their senses and realized that Reid is suffering dementia. I feel certain that Old Harry just pounded the last nail into his coffin today and should plan on retiring in November. Yeah for the home team.

Posted by: 2012anewstart | September 21, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

So,this lost of both Comrade Leader from
Kenya Muslim in Chief Illegal Alien Amnesty
Lover Barack Hussein Obama,and his Democrat
Flunkies Dingy Harry Reid,Dirty Dick Durbin
and Democrat Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Repeal of Don't Ask,Don't Tell has to be a very crushing and painful defeat for the
looney toons Liberal Democrat/Progressives
and Lost Of THE DREAM ACT BACKDOOR ILLEGAL
ALIEN AMNESTY and Hispanic Vote Pandering
when even Obama ordering Supportion of Free Press & Free Speech about the Reid
Trying To Sneak The Dream Act in as well.
Vote Every Incumbent Democrat,DINO,RINO and
Republican Out as you know I hope they will
try to sneak The Dream Act in again.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | September 21, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The Military Bill, the military is in place to guard this Nation; and not to vote for gays and illegal immigrants. Who put those leaders in office? It is time for them to be removed. How can some one in their right mind add those things in the Military Bill? How can gays and illegal immigrants help protect me and this Nation?

Posted by: Dragenmoon87 | September 21, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Thank God that enough democrats realized that Reid is suffering from dementia and voted NO. I think old Harry slam the last nail into his coffin today and should firm up retirement plans for November. Yeah for the home team

Posted by: 2012anewstart | September 21, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Bigots won the day. But bigots won't win the battle.

Posted by: TwoTermObama | September 21, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

DADT is only part of the equation. The Dream Law is a measure which has the specific support of a leading Republican, respected across party lines -- namely, General Powell. This one the Republican leadershep is destined to lose, and justifiably so.

Posted by: scottallen | September 21, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

OOPS Should Read Obama Ordered SUPRESSION
of The Dream Act by our gutless news media!

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | September 21, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Army '82-'86. I can tell you that homosexuality was a hot-button topic in my unit. In fact, one guy almost got his rearend kicked for popping a stiffy in the shower after a training exercise.

Personally, the only way I would accept a Ho Mo in my fighting position is if I had no choice.

Posted by: JoStalin | September 21, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

It was Dream Act which spoiled this bill. Cannot wait till Harry Reid is out of office, out of Congress and out of my face.
Don't have problem with gays, but maybe military should vote on this one.
No amnesty bills of any forms in any other bills, especially in defense bills. Shame on Harry Reid.

Posted by: wggodek | September 21, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

It's time to face the underlying question squarely: Does Conservative America represent the kind of nation we want and should become?

Consevatives are prepared to dismantle whatever they see as standing in the way of their vision of society, culture, and economics. The question is whether their vision should win?

I am part of a generation that dedicated itself to making life better for everyone, even if other people's children got supported ahead of our own, like the support for public education, income suppliments, and housing benefits. The conservative rejection of all these as "government spending" represents a fundamental selfishness that would return our nation to the days when only the lucky, previously advantaged, or dangerous had hope for economic stability in life. They embrace social Darwinism and make the wealth divide larger, which their selfishness fails to be worried about. They believe themselves immuned because they work hard and have righteous lives as though their opponents do not.

There needs to be an awakening to the dark side of conservative theory that praises Ian Rand's self-interested life view and her worship of capitalism. None of the human values now painted as "liberal" has lost its essential place, if we are to life up to our promise as the best hope of freedom in the world.

We cannot let the false idea that America has lost its way take hold among our population. We are being led astray but have not yet lost our way. The way back to America is through the hard work of making the nation a more egalitarian and open society. Conservatives seem to oppose that idea to their very core, a rotting core unless the rest of us can rescue them from themselves.

Posted by: edarden4u | September 21, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, Harry Reid will certainly get all the homosexual, and all the illegal "immigrant" vote in Nevada.

Anyone else that votes for that weasel ought to be deported as an undesirable wacko.

America's military has dodged a pink bullet this time. Maybe there will not be a next time. November will tell the tale.

Posted by: battleground51 | September 21, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

It was obvious to all, including gays, that by restricting the number of amendments to the bill Reid made it impossible for Republicans to vote. He may be planning on trying again in the lame duck session, but if he is he should be prepared to face another demonstration of 500,000 people, though this time not a peaceful one!

Posted by: suegbic1 | September 21, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Collins was scared by the Tea Party. I'm sorry about that. Nothing Harry Reid did or didn't do would change that equation.

Posted by: fairfaxvoter1 | September 21, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I wonder if gay people even read the news. Yo ! Earth to gay folks, the Teahadists have taken over the repuglican party. Sarah Palin wants to have you stoned in public. They (repuglicans) hate Obama and the Democrats. As long as you continue to vote for repuglicans you can expect to only empower the forces that wish you ill will. I know so many gay repuglicans that just can't connect the dots.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld1 | September 21, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Now if we could just court-martial them...

Posted by: docwatsonx | September 21, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I want to thank all Senators and who ever that didn't give in or fall for this trick. Many of our leaders has lost their ability to lead us. Maybe they just dont care, has it come down to who gets to most votes? To me thats not the heart of a real true leader, one who put our Nation at risk and its people. I do thank the Senate and hope they will stay true to our Nation.
America the Great!

Posted by: Dragenmoon87 | September 21, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Good for you Sen. Collins. Thanks for having the guts to stand up for the American People.

Posted by: tonyjm | September 21, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks you Sen. Collins for having the guts to stand up for the American People!

Posted by: tonyjm | September 21, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse


The usual "hanging" of progress by senators appearing to appeal to their constituents while really looking for opportunities to tag on little specials for their friends in the PACs. That's what the amendments are all about - getting favors for big contributors.

The American people are absolutely blind to what really happens in the senate and the house.

Posted by: AlanBrowne | September 21, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Nance. This is a great day for the military and basic values set down a long time ago. The military had sound reasons for implementing this policy and that is why it has been in effect for so many years (known by other names). I still have not seen anything on the results of the questionnaire sent out to our military members on their opinion of gays serving beside them in the foxholes or anywhere else in the military. That should be the determining factor as those are the people the policy would directly impact. Sometimes good does win out. And, it doesn't have anything to do with republicans vs democrats or the Tea Party.

Posted by: nicholjo1 | September 21, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The writer left out coverage of Reid's Dream Act attachment which 80% of the people oppose!
Both Reid and Durbin refuse to bow to the will of the people and threaten to bring this ILLEGAL AMNESTY crap back!
Obama's AMNESTY CONSPIRATORS IGNORE THE PEOPLE'S CONSTANT OPPOSITION to AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL INVADERS and keep trying to sneak it in however and whenever they think they can get it past the people.
What traitors!

Posted by: TexRancher | September 21, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Americans are wise to the sleazy, Democrat methods of trying to slip hated bills through congress.

Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and their gang of Obamacrats are working against America and Americans. No wonder they are facing political disaster in November and beyond.

They richly deserve it.

Posted by: battleground51 | September 21, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The military is currently doing a study directed by congress to see how they would get rid of DADT. The report is due 1 Dec. Let's see the report and debate the issues then based on the military's fact finding. Slipping this into the bill is nothing but divisive politics as usual. Obama, Reid and dems are desparate to energize their base. Everything Obama does is political, he is clueless on how to lead a country.

I was in the military for over 20 years and have no problem with gays serving in the military. It's odd, though, that those people who most support this issue also support muslims ability to build a mosque near the 9/11 site. Muslims hate gays and gays are stoned to death is some muslim countries. If gays serve openly, aren't we going to offend muslims if those gays are serving the US in muslim countries?

Posted by: Tostitos | September 21, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Once again the Republicians voted "NO". I'm surprised that Susan Collins would use some excuse as the number of amendments to justify her "NO" vote. She must have drank the "Kool-Aid". Remember to vote "NO" on the Republicians on November 2nd.

Posted by: brit89 | September 21, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Who are the Democrats who voted with the bigots? And why did Senator Murkowski who has been thrown into the trash barrel by her Republican colleagues vote with them?

Posted by: Desertstraw | September 21, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

America has become the laughing stock of the world. If the tea party/republican troglodytes traveled to other countries, they'd realize it. They are driving the country into the dark ages. We have a $13 trillion debt, energy crisis, global warming, vast wealth inequality, and what is our congress voting on? gays in the military. my g0d.

Posted by: lip111 | September 21, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"Just think of sex between 2 men just the thought is disgusting condom or not that is not normal."
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Tell it to your God. Even if you think it's a choice for humans, it sure seems like it's happening in other species too. Dolphins, primates, and over 1,000 other species, all documented. Even in worms with practically no brain matter at all. So don't tell me it's their "free will."

You need to ask what the hell is your God doing this for?

Posted by: steve-2304 | September 21, 2010 4:23 PM |
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The fact that those worms, have very little brain matter, is an indication to you, that their decension into homosexuality, is a matter of Free will???
Beautiful Left Wing Logic..
Show me "one" positive benefit, that any of these varied species, has brought forth, to the earth, and I'll consider it.
Until then, it's just a matter of self fulfillment.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 21, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

SO, this bill contained more than just the repeal of DADT did it not? Did it not contain the DREAM Act? Did the military not support the DREAM Act? (Yes they did for those of you who were sleeping).

Let's face facts every state that has allowed it's citizens to vote on this issue have voted it down. This is a democracy, where it is the rights of the people, not the rights of squeaky few. Someday it will change, just not right now.

Posted by: zendrell | September 21, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The writer left out coverage of Reid's Dream Act attachment which 80% of the people oppose!
Posted by: TexRancher

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Actually the writer did mention it, what he didn't mention that it's a blatant attempt to court the Hispanic vote in Nevada as he enters the tenth round of his reelection fight.

I'm also not surprised that all those attacking the GOP are missing this point.

Posted by: bbface21 | September 21, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

The US Govenment has always work best when both parties work together for a positive out come.

I do hope that the people of US consider the failure of he GOP to do anything for the passed two years by just saying no to everything. People should remember that not all things in life need to be a policial football. Some in the GOP want to elect more candidates who believe a failed govenment is the best way to lead.

I hope we all remember that we are at our best when we work together to get things done.

All of you Americans that or having hard times remember the GOP got us here and if we want to get out of the problems we are having, we need to elect someone with a plan not someone who says they want change or their plan is to kick the DEM out.

The military has worked for years with gay soldiers and we cannot allow good men and woman to leave the military because it is the political thing to do.

It would be good if we had congressmen who were in office to serve the people not themselfs.

Maybe it time for the people to have a complete review of the perks of the congress of the United States.

Posted by: mddavis1 | September 21, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Well Harry Reid scores another MAJOR defeat snatched from the jaws of victory...If he would have only been courteous and let the Republicans enter into the conversation, he could have made it happen. But no, he's too thick-headed like the rest of the Congressional Demoratic leadership.

Posted by: redroomfotog | September 21, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

This is the time for gays to come forward with their money and they have plenty of it. Stick it to the GOP bigots and hypocrites! Money is what counts. Don't stand by and let these monsters get away with this.

Posted by: pkbishop1 | September 21, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Re. gay marriage - The opposition to gay marriage is ludicrous, even from a homophobic point of view. Current societal pressures, almost as much as in the past, force many homosexuals into hetero marriages for appearances sake, thereby passing on the gay gene. Let homosexuals marry and evolution will take care of 99% of this "problem" for you. It's almost like homosexuals are demanding their own near-extinction. Why are the homophobes getting in the way? You'd think they'd jump at the chance.

In ancient societies when there was sparse human population and reproduction was far more important concerning property, family status and strength (for the whole family) and even survival, _maybe_ the suppression of overt homosexuality was necessary. With 7 billion people on the planet and social relations quite different in modern society, it makes absolutely no sense at all.

Posted by: treetopflyer | September 21, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"The Democrats have been against 'don't ask don't tell' for more than a decade and why we allowed this law to remain in effect for another two years is beyond me," said Richard Soccarides, a former gay rights adviser to Bill Clinton."
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That is so STUPID!!! Doesn't the fact (you state) , that the dems have been opposed for a decade, with no resuts - tell
you something something!?!?!?!?

Posted by: thornegp2626 | September 21, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Shame on this country. We are the only Nato country except Islamic Turkey that doesn't let gays serve openly.

We have lost 14000 soldiers, and desperately needed translators due to DADT. It is a foregone conclusion that American soldiers have died because of gay translators being thrown out, and much too late we translate the enemies plans for a trap.

And McCain - he spent 7 years in the Hanoi Hilton hell house because he violated orders - If you miss on a bomb run, dont go back -they'll be waiting for you. BTW I was a tactics officer - lost my flying status due to eyesight - on the same carrier as McCain, and knew him vaguely - an egomaniac is a fair description.

And try being a gay in the mil. YOu are risking your life for a country where the (anything but) christian right despises you.

Talk about bravery and patriotism to put that out of you mind while the bullets are flying.

Talk about what would happen if the half of the Army nurse corp that is gay (I know people from there) were to demand release under DADT

And every day gays are showering with str8s, and most soldiers know who is gay in their units. the open secret. And could give a damn less, just like we at our health club give a damn less of the 20% or so members who are gay.

The bottom line is the repubs place their power grab, their financial greed above their countries defense, All the while talking about being strong on defense.

The old storyline from the 1930s fits the repubs - If you tell a lie often enough and outrageous enough, it will be seen as the truth.

While they play with our nations security to get the votes of the people whose culture gave us slavery, the KKK and segregation.

And who have a new group to hate and demonize - in the name of God.

Welcome to Saudi Arabia - ultra right wing Christian style

And btw, isn't the repubs who talk about freedom for the people?

or just them.

Posted by: SJames6621 | September 21, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Members of the Marine Corps are usually highly conservative, therefore, although troubling to many people, the anti-repeal position of the Commandant isn't surprising.

Marines are psychologically conditioned to always be faithful to their beliefs. Although Marine beliefs are usually reflective of, and consistent with, National attitudes, in this instance, the Corps may be seriously out of sync with a majority its Nation's citizenry.

It seems ironic that a Corps that so successfully trains its men and women to be almost fearless, appears to truly fear its gay and lesbian Marines.

Posted by: kelleybus | September 21, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

You do realize that aside from grandstanding, the Senate has nothing to do with it. Remember: Executive Order 13087 was signed by U.S. President Bill Clinton (a Democrat)on May 28, 1998, amending Executive Order 11478 to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation in the competitive service of the federal civilian workforce. The Department of Defense is in the Executive Branch and subject to Obama's Executive Orders and Obama is the Commander of the Armed Forces. If he wanted to, he could himself integrate gays into the military, but he doesn't.

Posted by: JWMeritt | September 21, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

beaone...your husband just told me he DOES plan to vote Republican...he said your nothing but a liberal walking STD that makes pelosi and rosie o'donnell seem attractive....he said puleeeeeeese get the hint and pack your cheese wafers and mustache brush and hit the road....NOW!

Posted by: JWx2 | September 21, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

So I guess it's safe to assume that most Republicans and conservatives believe it's OK to fight and die for their country as long as they're not gay. Pretty sad if you ask me.

Posted by: cags777 | September 21, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

If you are a patriotic American and see your jobs disappearing, and unable to get a modification loan to save your home while banks hoard billions of dollars offered by President Obama. However from 1997 Head of HUD, a Democrat called Andrew Cuomo, was the personage who became the architect of the housing collapse. But the most major ramification is that all those students who eventually receive citizenship can sponsor 3 to 4 million immediate members of the family, stretching to Uncle and aunts. Finally the most dangerous act that could be accepted is the sanctioned US/Mexican totalization Social Security agreement, which at our peril would cripple yours and mine Pensions. Do you know that hundreds of thousands of illegal alien guest workers, who were legally processed in 1986, were able to get public benefits that many didn't pay into, while American citizens paid all of their lives into the Social Security system?


We--as a country can no longer be the PPO medical welfare, the education system for everybody who chooses to illegally enter this country. Now is the time to reprimand any politician who supported the Dream Act, or any form of Amnesty by joining the Tea Party movement or NumbersUSA. Both are fighting to stop our taxes being spent on illegal aliens, who arrive here by plane or simply crossed our sovereign border. You can harass your Senator or Congressman at the Washington switchboard at 202-224-3121 We must wipe the slate clean and remove the corrupted political debris from every state, of--ALL--elected officials which includes Governors and Mayors.

This November we must be on our guard, vigilant against illegal aliens violating our voting federal laws, specifically in California and Nevada, but also every other state. Absentee ballot voting is specifically vulnerable in an "honor System" that doesn't work anymore.

Posted by: infinity555 | September 21, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

November the 3rd is the day when voters can take their country back from the instigators of unequaled illegal immigration. Here is a list of Senators who are pro-amnesty or have unfortunately not contemplated the far reaching effects. Not only would the approval of the Dream Act have given millions of children of illegal aliens get a free pass to our education system, but it wouldn't there would have no restrictions like the House version does. If the Dream Act had only been for the selected few, instead of millions who just qualify by getting a high school diploma up to the age of 35. Senator Reid advanced his political agenda, by placing the Dream Act in the Defense spending bill and was co sponsored by Richard Durbin (D-IL), Dick Lugar (D-IN).

Involved in this matter and endeavored to pass the Dream Act was mostly Democrats that include incumbents that can be relieved of their Senate seat in the midterm election. Blanche Lincoln (D-R) Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Micheal Bennet (D-CO), Chris Dodd (D-CT), Ted Kaufman (D-DE), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Roland Burris(D-IL), Evan Bayh (D-IN), Harry Reid(D-NV), Arlen Spector (D-PA), Patty Murray (D-WA) and Russ Feingold D-WI). We can send a demanding message that all these incumbents will see the streets in November and other pro-amnesty panderers will join them shortly. We need all Tea Partiers, moderate conservatives and dissatisfied Democrats to join in this revolution for change. We must cement our votes for--ALL--new candidates against each of these incumbents.If the controversial DREAM ACT had not been introduced, but "DADT had been admitted, the defense bill may have united both sides--including gays in the military.

Posted by: infinity555 | September 21, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

A bunch of egotistical, OLD HOMOPHOBES doing a disservice to a lot of fine, brave souls. It takes real courage to stand up for what you believe in, but none to cave in or be egotistical and backward. If only he had allowed an up or down vote on an amendment to kill that part of the legislation, I would have helped him - what a precocious snotbag. If you think the law is wrong, do what you know is right and vote to end it, and stop posturing for God's sake and that of a lot of brave souls who are protecting your A$$.

Posted by: ronjeske | September 21, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Reid just hurt the Democrats chances with gay voters by not being flexible.

Posted by: moebius22 | September 21, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

So I guess it's safe to assume that most Republicans and conservatives believe it's OK to fight and die for their country as long as they're not gay. Pretty sad if you ask me.
Posted by: cags777 | September 21, 2010
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Try assuming that Harry Reid and the Obama administration threw the GLBT community under the campaign bus.
First they wait two years, and then they roll this out just weeks before the election, knowing that is hasn't got a chance.
Why? Because with little to show in the way of results, the only way they can 'fire up' the liberal base is to have a negative vote. That way they can blame the republicans, and worry about human rights later on.
It's called political expediency, and is further proof of their putting politics over what's really right.
Shame on them.

Posted by: mtpeaks | September 21, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

OMG - the Democrats are advancing legislation they promised long ago to advance and now the RepublicanTs are attacking them for doing what they promised to do.

The RepublicanTs have established a new low for American politics with their incessant campaign of Big Lies against the President whom, upon his election, they swore to cause to fail. We've been living through a nearly 2 year smear campaign by the RepublicanT Party.

And now as part of their smear campaign they insult the thousands of brave homosexual men and women in uniform who have put their lives at risk to preserve the democracy that the RepublicanTs are destroying every chance they get. The RepublicanTs threaten the safety of all our military personnel by forcing out of the military brave soldiers simply due to their sexual orientation. How incredibly unpatriotic these RepublicanTs have become!

The extreme partisanship the RepublicanTs practice is tearing this nation apart. They got us into this deep recession, from which the nation is slowly recovering. And now they want to take over again to reinstate the policies and practices that almost destroyed the nation's -- and world's -- economy. And with their constant campaign of Big Lies, fear mongering, and hate they will pull it off unless patriotic Americans of all political stripes put an end to it by electing enough Democrats to both houses of Congress to maintain a Democratic majority. Otherwise we all lose.

Posted by: dl49 | September 21, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

The American People were not only concerned with the repeal of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell', We DO NOT want Amnesty or benefits for ILLEGAL aliens, We want Our laws enforced and Our ports and borders, including Our interior borders secured PERIOD.


Posted by: AJAX2 | September 21, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Advanced nations have managed to integrate homosexuals into their ranks without tearing their armies apart. Other nations, for example, to pick a random nation, the United States of America, are not advanced. The holier-than-thou right wing authoritarians want to dismiss homosexuals from the ranks regardless of their sterling service records up to the point where their "secret" was found out. This game is simply part of the endless power play that Republicans, the "we are in charge here" party, engage in. The GOP is a revolting combination of sociopaths, war mongers, and Bible thumpers. Their stated worry is that gay service members will dilute unit cohesion and degrade morale. I'd like to see the results of an honest scientific study of those assertions. If gays-in-the-military works elsewhere, it can work here, regardless of us being engaged in wars now or ever. The actual worry is that the so-called Atheistic Liberal Agenda may advance, against their wishes.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | September 21, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"Let them in!
Send them to the Navy.
Assign them as lookouts on the outboard sides of lowered flight deck elevators at sea in the North Atlantic.
High sea state.
All ahead Flank II! Hard to Starboard!
Problem solved.

It wouldn’t be the first time."

You're really suggesting murder of your fellow Americans?

Really?

Why do you hate America?

Posted by: TheHillman | September 21, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Well Harry Reid scores another MAJOR defeat snatched from the jaws of victory...If he would have only been courteous and let the Republicans enter into the conversation, he could have made it happen. But no, he's too thick-headed like the rest of the Congressional Demoratic leadership.

Posted by: redroomfotog

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It's not thick-headedness, the Democrats are desperate for an issue to attack the GOP. If Reid stopped the stupid game of trying to pander to Latinos in Nevada by attaching the Dream Act to this bill, an appeal of DADT WOULD PASS, PERIOD.

Posted by: bbface21 | September 21, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Funny how Israel - arguably the toughest military in the world - has had no problem integrating openly gay servicemembers into their ranks.

And lest we forget Israel has mandatory military service as well.

Are we really saying that American soldiers are so much more delicate than Israeli, Canadian, British, and other soldiers, that those soldiers are all tough enough to deal with openly gay comrades but American soldiers are way too delicate and must be protected?

That's a pretty sad statement.

Posted by: TheHillman | September 21, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

dems better start letting the other side have a say...
or nothing will pass until obama is out of office...

Posted by: DwightCollins | September 21, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

dems better start letting the other side have a say...
or nothing will pass until obama is out of office...

Posted by: DwightCollins | September 21, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

JohnnyU2Berry - "One can only hope that the Republican senators who are lining up against DADT recall Leonard Matlovich (1943-1988), a Vietnam War veteran and recipient of the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart, whose tombstone reads: "When I was in the military they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one."

Matlovich got AIDs and died from it not from killing two enemy but loving SEVERAL DOZEN other men.

Gays are over the top strident now, demanding gay marriage and gay military service and special medical benefits for diseases of sexual promiscuity - no matter how the public votes. Aided by a sympathetic gay-heavy media, entertainment industry. And a sympathetic cabal within the judiciary that wants to force the gay agenda down America's throats no matter how they vote.

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | September 21, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not surprised? Obama our fierce advocate. I say we don't have to pay taxes anymore and we get to discriminate against everyone. At least that's my plan. I would have already used the n-word but I didn't want my post deleted.

Posted by: charlie-Imac | September 21, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

The Senate should be abolished if it continues to impose a super majority requirement not called for in the constitution. Its not their to legislate morality and America doesn't need a house of lords.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | September 21, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain is sounding like a pompous blowhard again - I'm truly tired of his acting the exclusive authority on this issue at the expense of the the men and woman who serve that he's grandstanding against - I'm sorry, but there are plenty of men and women who have fought just as bravely - maybe even more-so - who have served in the military who would beg to differ with his homophobic condemnation of who they are and THEIR validity.

And now the Republicans are doing their officious self-aggrandizing fillibustering act for the umpteenth time, thereby stalling once again more meaningful legislation than they can tolerate. The Pentagon Defense Budget this time, which also included the Dream Act that enabled people to enlist and serve the country in order to gain citizen status - why do they do this? Just in order to keep on kicking gays out of the military and get the support of the radical bigots who shout down town hall meetings and form a specious, ill-informed irate bully misinformation campaign in comments sections in newspapers they claim they detest.

I say let them pull the stunt - let them fillibuster and show the world just how hyopocritical and disgusting they truly are, let them all do their racebaiting until not only they but we are gasping for air.

I am so sick of them - we need to mobilize and run them out on a rail. Let them lose THEIR jobs. Kick THEM out. They are not the voice of America - they are our embarrassment and hindrance. Let them run a retirement home for their antiquated and bigoted ideology. Or they can crawl a rock - either way that's where they belong. Enough is enough.

Posted by: redjanuko | September 21, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

rexreddy wrote:

"Let them in!
Send them to the Navy.
Assign them as lookouts on the outboard sides of lowered flight deck elevators at sea in the North Atlantic.
High sea state.
All ahead Flank II! Hard to Starboard!
Problem solved.

It wouldn’t be the first time."

My response,

This is bs. The Navy wouldn't lower the flight deck elevators in a high sea state, let alone post lookouts there. The hanger deck elevator doors would be closed and the flight deck elevators at deck level. I worked on the deck for several years and experienced high sea state conditons several times at sea. The flight deck elevators are never left at the hangar deck level, even in good weather. The only time they are at the hangar deck level on the ship is when they are moving aircraft from the deck to hangar deck or from the hangar deck to the flight deck. When not in use, they are at the flight deck because they are part of the flight deck during flight ops.

BTW, I am gay and was very good at my job. Glad I didn't stay in because I could have spent 19 years 364 days of my life committed to a career and DADT could have ruined my pension and career if I were caught in a gay bar 1 day before retirement. I have 27 years good service with the company I work for in the civilian sector, make more than a Lt. Commander and get 6 weeks off a year. I am also protected against discrimination because of my sexual orientation (because I am a civilian) because the laws are there to protect me as a civilian. If I were active duty I would be fired.

DADT vs. Hate Crimes, where do we as a nation draw the line? And, is civilian justice versus military justice an "OK" to enforce this on the military side but a "no-way" on the civilian side?

Constitution... All men are created equal?

The only positive result of today's vote is that I can ask another country for asylum as a result of discrimination.

The only good side to this is it shows the idiotic mindset that is running this country.

Posted by: JimB20009 | September 21, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

If you never have served a single day in the US military in your life please refrain from posting....

Everyone prays to God in a fox hole. I don't care who you choose to sleep with late at night as long as you cover my ars right now in this fire fight.....

Posted by: waxtraxs | September 21, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

All of our allies have openly gay soldiers, and we fight alongside our allies all the time.

Shame on you, McCain.

And as far as risk, goes, you are the one who proposed having Sarah Palin as second in command. I'd say you lost your sense of judgment in 2008 and are a completely useless hack at this point. You should have quit while you were ahead in terms of having at least a little bit of integrity left, you homophobic pompous blowhard.

Posted by: redjanuko | September 21, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Gays are just pawns of the progressives.
They are easily manipulated.
This bill was never intended to accomplish anything other than creating a stir.
They need their special interest groups fired up for November.
What better way than to combine welfare and amnesty to illegals, then have the media market it as a gay rights package.

The absolute truth is, if the repeal of the don't ask don't tell provision had been up for a vote, it would have passed.

But then the libs wouldn't be able to use it as a wedge issue in November.

Posted by: MrMeaner | September 21, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Ohhh, the drama. The evil hater gop votes against the pinkers.

Incredibly, the gop doesn't have the gas to do that, do they.

Geez, could it have been the leftist socialists who tilted the wheel?

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | September 21, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

good

very good

the end of obamastan tyranny is in sight

Posted by: ProCounsel | September 21, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are under no obligation to give legislative victories 40 days before an election.... bipartisanship is a two-way street but not with Reid and Pelosi in the majority.

Posted by: JBaustian | September 21, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

republicans should have said

they would have voted YES

if team obama had made this a priority earlier

as the obama regime betrays gays

with neglect

Posted by: ProCounsel | September 21, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

This insanity has to end. Get government out of the bedroom. I may be heterosexual, but I wouldn't want the government in my bedroom. (They would die of boredom.) As someone said before, we have all these things to address that are important to this country and the world, and Congress and Reid play games about gays in the military? Get real or get voted out. GLBT's and their supporters, speak up loud and clear NOW! Enough is enough. Congress had their chance, and they have failed us once again. BUT if it was their pay, their insurance, their benefits, they would have it voted through in 1 second.

Posted by: Jo5311 | September 21, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Won't allow me to serve in the military?? Fine, because the country has become one for which I wouldn't fight anyway. I would feel like a black man fighting in the Confederate army.

Posted by: ChicagoJim | September 21, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

That's not *pretend* that the DADT policy or gays serving openly in the military is even subject to debate. We've been over the same ground many times before. Of course, gays should be allowed to openly serve in the military. This is not about the morale of the military. It's bigotry...the conservative's "stock in trade."

OTOH, there are far better ways to serve our country than joining the military. Those who have been convinced that it is their patriotic duty to fight in Afghanistan, Iraq, or the next war in some distant country have been "led down the primrose path."

Posted by: ptgrunner | September 21, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

... and don't let the Republicans gain control of the house or senate because this is what happens when they do.

And now they're a bunch of John Birch Society lunatics. John Birch Society Republicans who believe (1) that the Constitution is based on christian principles thus making only christians valid citizens; (2) that Democrats are the "collectivism" party and therefore "socialists"; and (3) that the 1964 Civil Rights Act is in violation of the 10th Amendment and that states should be allowed to have Jim Crow laws if they so desire.

Here are some messages for some Republicans in office:

Hey Addison "Joe" Wilson - YOU lie. You can't even wrap your bigoted mouth around your own real name. The only position you deserve to maintain is your continued membership in the Sons of Confederacy - the only thing you deserve to be in charge of is their archives which glorify and preserve KKK documents.


And John Boehner, Mr. "No You Can't - YES WE STILL CAN. We're not finished. We need to run you out on a rail.

You can't shout us down at the ballot box.

Posted by: redjanuko | September 21, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

If you worthless 'pubes are really into blocking speech, and it's obvious from this vote that you certainly are, why don't you shut those whiney-a_ssed tea-baggers up for a change? I get f_ucking sick and tired of listening to their incessant whining after my taxes paid for pretty much every d_amned decent thing in their waste-of-skin lives.

My answer to those traitors wanting government out of their lives? Go to f_ucking Somalia.

P_iss off tea-baggers and 'pubes.

Posted by: spike591011 | September 21, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

... and don't let the Republicans gain control of the house or senate because this is what happens when they do.

And now they're a bunch of John Birch Society lunatics. John Birch Society Republicans who believe (1) that the Constitution is based on christian principles thus making only christians valid citizens; (2) that Democrats are the "collectivism" party and therefore "socialists"; and (3) that the 1964 Civil Rights Act is in violation of the 10th Amendment and that states should be allowed to have Jim Crow laws if they so desire.

Here are some messages for some Republicans in office:

Hey Addison "Joe" Wilson - YOU lie. You can't even wrap your bigoted mouth around your own real name. The only position you deserve to maintain is your continued membership in the Sons of Confederacy - the only thing you deserve to be in charge of is their archives which glorify and preserve KKK documents.


And John Boehner, Mr. "No You Can't - YES WE STILL CAN. We're not finished. We need to run you out on a rail.

You can't shout us down at the ballot box.

Posted by: redjanuko | September 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I served in combat in 1951 in a Marine rifle company; and I am grateful that homosexuals wern't even considered eligible then. Fity-three weeks in foxholes and bunkers, plus hordes of Chinese and North Koreans in April and September, ruled out morale problems that would have plagued our units if homosexuals were also involved. Thye're not normal.

Posted by: Forward11 | September 21, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Gee...why is this a headline and the Dream Act is buried ask yourself why??? Because the DEMD KNEW this would NOT pass....stupid move DEMS maybe a few are gullible but not the majority of we the people...Oh you do know Harry the war is lost voted NO NO NO....It is called a back fire they pandered for your vote now be stupid enough to vote dem...

Posted by: independent114 | September 21, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Boycott sponsors of Fox "News" shows that are going to promote this crap. You can start by going to the

http://www.colorofchange.org/beck/

He's one of the biggest homophobic bigoted racebaiting bigots out there. It's a start.

Posted by: redjanuko | September 21, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Just like Obama to fail to come out and strongly support something he says he advocates. He's making a yet another big mistake in failing to speak out when it would do some good.

Posted by: mtravali | September 21, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

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I for one am sick to death of people whining and blaming President Obama for everything. We have a Congress. WHAT THE HECK ARE THEY DOING??? When is it up to them to do their job? President Obama can support things all he wants but if Congress fails to pass the bills then it is on them. For the past two years Democrats in Congress have whined and pouted and blamed the President for their failure to get the job done. It is time for DEMOCRATS to put up or shut up! Instead what we have them doing is trying to out Republican Republicans. If you Democrats in Congress want to keep your jobs perhaps it is time for YOU ALL to do your job and quit blaming the President for your cowardice.

Posted by: catmomtx | September 21, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Why don't you people direct your outrage where it belongs?
Ask Harry Reid and Pelosi why they haven't allowed the repeal of DADT to come up for a vote on it's own.
(hint...because it will pass, then go away as an issue)
Harry Reid is holding the gay agenda hostage to his attempt to increase the numbers of the democrat voter base with amnesty.
I thought that the Democrats were the heralded defenders of equality for gays.
What happened to all of that?

Posted by: MrMeaner | September 21, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, the paranoids of America have spoken and their pandering representatives listened. This law should be overturned. And for those of you who think that there have actually been wars where gays or lesbians never served,(Forward11), think again. They were just very good at keeping their sexual orientation under wraps.

Posted by: vicknair | September 21, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

homos and all the whiners that believe they are special,give it up. this country is fed up with all ur BS efforts to change our society. dont like it? TS,move to a friendly place to practice ur different cultural ideas.suggest one of the middle east,africa,asia crapholes that will welcome u fools

Posted by: pofinpa | September 21, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if this was a people friendly nation. How hypocritical that those who so strongly decry the power of government are so willing to use that power to enforce social inequality on others.

Posted by: samsara15 | September 21, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!! Harry Reid didn't even vote YES on this bill! Time for him to GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: shamalbp | September 21, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

One could make the same arguments that the Republicans do not really want to outlaw abortion. Republicans want to keep that constituency loyal - if abortion was outlawed, many of those who had previously been bullet voters for Republicans would then vote Democratic.

Posted by: samsara15 | September 21, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Meaner asks, "Why don't you people direct your outrage where it belongs?"

WHY DON'T YOU GET A CLUE. THE REPUBLICANS AREN'T EVEN ALLOWING FOR A DEBATE. AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SHANGHAI THIS FACT.

GO CRAWL BACK UNDER YOUR ROCK.

Posted by: redjanuko | September 21, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, a party that, in twelve years, never got a Defense Authorization Bill to the President before the end of the fiscal year now cries that The democrats are playing political games by bringing a Defense Authorization Bill in on time.

Ther ASRE quite right, Its is a political stunt, timed to show that the Republicans are totally incapable of getting a DAB to the President on time, even when the democrats proved that THEY could.

And of course they will call the Dems "Weak on National Defense" because they didn't get their bill to the president on time.

Would SOMEBODY please ask John McCain when HE thinks the fiscal year starts?

Posted by: ceflynline | September 21, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Here is an article on Glenn Beck. He isn't just a racist, he is a homophotic(what a surprise, there). Look who the members of his "Army of God" are:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201009070001


You can add your own paragraph at the color of change website.

Go to colorofchange.org/beck/ and a letter - including your personalized paragraph - to his advertisers will go out requesting they pull their sponsorship.

Get Fox "News" to back off - start with Glenn Beck and his "Army of God" - it's as good a start as any.


Posted by: redjanuko | September 21, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Here is an article on Glenn Beck. He isn't just a racist, he is a homophotic(what a surprise, there). Look who the members of his "Army of God" are:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201009070001


You can add your own paragraph at the color of change website.

Go to colorofchange.org/beck/ and a letter - including your personalized paragraph - to his advertisers will go out requesting they pull their sponsorship.

Get Fox "News" to back off - start with Glenn Beck and his "Army of God" - it's as good a start as any.


Posted by: redjanuko | September 21, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I am disappointed in Harry Reid's manipulation of bisexuals, lesbians, and gays. This is an issue that could have easily passed. That said, the Republicans cannot be excused.

The Republicans unanimously are putting the burden on taxpayers. The Government Accountability Office has shown that the first 10 years alone of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy has cost us hundreds of millions of dollars. On top of that, Republicans want us to dish out hundreds of millions more to pay for a Pentagon study to tell us what our allies and all original NATO nations except Turkey, already know. That in the military bisexuals and homosexuals are valuable assets and pose no more of a threat to other soldiers as heterosexuals do. In fact, they probably pose less of a threat since they don't commit heterosexual sexual assaults. This expensive study to make sure our soldiers can handle it is also being conducted even though 73% of soldiers are comfortable around gays and lesbians.

Now this will not be voted on for another year during which we will be paying for it literally, and during which we are putting our soldiers at risk by stripping them of their valuable resources. At the rate the military is going under this policy, another 12 Arabic linguists will have been fired.

Posted by: 1g23 | September 21, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Debate what?!
Are we going to debate amnesty?
Are we going to debate Don't ask, don't tell?
Ase we going to debate the defense funding authorization?

Why won't your leaders bring these bills up on their own for a vote?

They've been in office, with their own president for going on two years.
Why won't they allow the repeal of DADT, which would pass now....but probably won't after Jan... to come up for a vote?

WHY?

They need you to be angry at conservatives, who just want government out of everyone's lives.

Time to crawl out, from under your rock.

Posted by: MrMeaner | September 21, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I was raised by a Republican family and I am still trying to get the stink off.

Republicans are shameless bigots.

Posted by: ethereal_reality | September 21, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

US government the only one in the whole western civilization that discriminates against their own citizens because of sexual orientation. Shame!

Posted by: rappahanock | September 21, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Every time the Democrats fail to pass a bill, they blame the Republicans for obstruction. But what is a 56 to 43 vote? Aren't there more than 56 Democrats in the Senate?

On the merits of the bill. I think that if we are going to have women serving side by side with men, then we have basically given up on the idea of celibate warriors.

On the other hand, to quote Rocky Balboa's trainer in Rocky 1, "women weaken legs." And who wants to have warriors going to battle with weak legs.

Posted by: millerroberta | September 21, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

This is the start of the Tea Party plan to recriminalize both homosexuality and later, abortion. Make no mistake, a vote for O'Donnell, Angle or Miller, is a vote for the John Birch Society and the Family Values people. Gays across America, open your wallets while you still have some freedom intact! Time to defeat these Tea Party devils!

Posted by: magnifco1000 | September 21, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Adam Serwer nails it:

In their tactics and on the issues, our homegrown American Taliban are almost indistinguishable from the Afghan Taliban. The American Taliban -- whether in their militaristic zeal, their brute faith in masculinity, their disdain for women's rights, their outright hatred of gays, their aversion to science and modernitiy, or their staunch anti-intellectualism -- share a litany of mores, values, and tactics with Islamic extremists.

http://blog.prospect.org/blog/adam_serwer/2010/09/still_american_taliban_ctd_dra_content.html#121585


Today's teabaggers and republicans: indistinguishable from the Taliban.

Posted by: losthorizon10 | September 21, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I think there is room for debate on both sides of the "gays in the military" issue.

I think we should ask the Senate to debate this issue thoroughly and have all points of view given respect on this issue.

There are good reasons to repeal "don't ask don't tell" there are also good reasons to keep it. Let's keep an open mind on the subject.

Posted by: millerroberta | September 21, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

More obstructionism from the NO party.

Shame on those who "aided and abetted" their monstrous failure to repeal an unjust law.

I am not gay, but the sexual preferences of others has never hurt or interfered with my life or interests. Rather, some of the most generous, unselfish people I've known are/were gay. I am grateful espcially to my fellow citizens who have put their lives on the line in defense of our country's interest. I respect and honor their devotion to duty and their own sacrifices and that of their families. I am deeply distressed by this added insult to those of any sexual persuasion who have been killed, maimed, physically, intellectally and morally wounded in wars not of their making.

We owe it to all of them to repeal DADT. Shame on the selfishness and cowardice the usual partisan obstructionist that caused the defeat of the bill to repeal.

Posted by: castleb | September 21, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party, for the most part, wants the principles behind the tenth amendment respected by elected officials and their judicial appointees.
If the majority in your state agree on a initiative representing some group interest, then a constitutional conservative would
1) Accept it, and work to change opinions,
2) Reject it, and move to a state more compatible with his ideals.

Why isn't that good enough for everyone?

Posted by: MrMeaner | September 21, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

More obstructionism from the NO party.

Shame on those who "aided and abetted" their monstrous failure to repeal an unjust law.

I am not gay, but the sexual preferences of others has never hurt or interfered with my life or interests. Rather, some of the most generous, unselfish people I've known are/were gay. I am grateful espcially to my fellow citizens who have put their lives on the line in defense of our country's interest. I respect and honor their devotion to duty and their own sacrifices and that of their families. I am deeply distressed by this added insult to those of any sexual persuasion who have been killed, maimed, physically, intellectally and morally wounded in wars not of their making.

We owe it to all of them to repeal DADT. Shame on the selfishness and cowardice of the usual partisan obstructionists that blocked discussion (and the likely passage) of DADT.

Posted by: castleb | September 21, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Why are we catering to gays? The military have wars to fight, not dabble in social engineering. No one stops a patriotic gay from serving his country; but must they advertise their private lives if others dont' want to hear it?

Posted by: rimantas1 | September 21, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Why are we catering to gays? The military have wars to fight, not dabble in social engineering. No one stops a patriotic gay from serving his country; but must they advertise their private lives if others dont' want to hear it?

Posted by: rimantas1 | September 21, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Does congress even have the authority to pass a law regulating social conduct in the military?

Doesn't President Obama have he power as Commander in Chief to bring Don't Ask, Don't Tell to an end on his own?

He should just... do it.

Posted by: sportbri | September 21, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Does congress even have the authority to pass a law regulating social conduct in the military?

Doesn't President Obama have he power as Commander in Chief to bring Don't Ask, Don't Tell to an end on his own?

He should make like Nike and just do it!

Posted by: sportbri | September 21, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

America is a Constitutional Republic ... NOT a Democracy


In a Republic, the sovereignty resides with the People themselves. In a Republic, one may act on his own or through his representatives when he chooses to solve a problem. The People have no obligation to the government; instead, the government is a servant of the People, and obliged to its owner, We the People. Many politicians have lost sight of that fact.


- Why is it Most Americans are Unaware of the CFR Organization?

- What does David Rockefeller say about his work?

- Why ARE Our Borders STILL Wide Open, Our Laws Unenforced and Massive Amnesty Proffered?

- How Dishonest and Corrupt IS our Congress?


YOU ... The Individual American Citizen Must Stand Up and Be Counted ...


America is the only country in the world that can thwart the global fascists' drive to conquer mankind and achieve their plutocratic goal of world dominion by a select few.


http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NotDemocracy.html


Posted by: AJAX2 | September 21, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

You would expect that people who have an interest in the Constitution would call for a repeal of this legislation. It's the prerogative of the Executive. Congress should have no business is saying who the Executive can enlist into the Services.

For personal reasons I'd like to see them vote on it, or even debate it. ["Debate" is a euphemism for blabbering at the podium while no one else is listening or even present in the Senate chambers.]

Conservatives would use the gay issue for elections. The so called Defense of Marriage Act. .... that wasn't election related? Line item veto ... Flag burning amendment. ... Using floor votes for elections is nothing new for the GOP.

Frankly, I would think that Republicans would want their vote on the record prior to the election. Don't they want their constituents to know what their position is on Gays in the military or the Dream Act? Maybe the reality is that they favor the Dream Act and Gays in the military but don't want their constituents to know it before the election.

Posted by: James10 | September 21, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

All active duty military should go to their superior officer and announce that they are gay. I would bet that "don't ask, don't tell, would be repealed the next day.

Posted by: JimZ1 | September 21, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

What Congress doesn't care about:

"A congresswoman [Rep. Jane Harman, D-California] said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military.

A government report indicates that the numbers could be even higher. ..."

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-31/us/military.sexabuse_1_sexual-assault-sexual-abuse-military-service?_s=PM:US

Gays in the military is a big issue that might affect military morale. How about sexually assaulting 40% of the women in the military. Is that for military morale?

Straight boys will be boys is ok.

Posted by: James10 | September 21, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

This is the authority congress cited when creating the DADT policy that Clinton signed.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/654.html

Article 1 Section 8 states:

The Congress shall have Power To...make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

Posted by: MrMeaner | September 21, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

There were Dems who voted against this Bill as well. But of course Liberal WaPo won't mention that fact.
The Dems have a majority in the President, the House and the Senate, if they wanted to pass this Bill they could do it without the Republicans.
They really did not want to pass it, it is just a pre November attempt to rally their base of Gays.

Posted by: joanz3 | September 21, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Once again the Republicians voted "NO". I'm surprised that Susan Collins would use some excuse as the number of amendments to justify her "NO" vote. She must have drank the "Kool-Aid". Remember to vote "NO" on the Republicians on November 2nd.

Posted by: brit89 | September 21, 2010 5:43 PM
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Sorry, brit89.
It won't do you any good.
We're wiping the Democrat Majorities, in both houses, in Nov, and there'd nothing that you can do about it.
Take a look at the panic, with the Dems are running.
You don't have a chance.
Dennis
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Who are the Democrats who voted with the bigots? And why did Senator Murkowski who has been thrown into the trash barrel by her Republican colleagues vote with them?

Posted by: Desertstraw | September 21, 2010 5:43 PM
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You should know the answer to those questions.
It's simple. Murkowski, is fighting, desperately, for her political life.
Write ins, is her last chance, and she's taking it.
Dennis
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America has become the laughing stock of the world. If the tea party/republican troglodytes traveled to other countries, they'd realize it. They are driving the country into the dark ages. We have a $13 trillion debt, energy crisis, global warming, vast wealth inequality, and what is our congress voting on? gays in the military. my g0d.
Posted by: lip111 | September 21, 2010 5:48 PM |
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what part of the World, do you hang out, in? Iran?
Try that, if you dare.
Ahmadinejad, is waiting for you. He says there "are no homosexuals" in Iran.
There "is no" energy crisis.
Global warming happened before the advent of man. Global warming, will continue to happen, when Mankind, is gone, and forgotten.
Even the Dark Ages, is warmer, and preferable, to Extinction, and that's where Homosexuality is headed. It "cannot" contribute to, or improve the condition of mankind.
Of what practical purpose, is it?
Equality of income, is Socilaism, Marxism, or Communisim. Neither is preferable to most "normal" Americans.
And you believe in God?
God doesn't believe in Homosexuality.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 21, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I am 76 years old, and flew carrier-based jet light attack planes with the Navy from 1960 to 1964 from USS Forrestal. This Administration is messing with an arrangement that works, to apparently satisfy some political desires elsewhere. For goodness sakes, leave things alone so our warriors can do their jobs in Afghanistan and not be confused. We had no sexual/bisexual problems in the early 60s, and my squadron (Attack Squadron 83)won the CNO Safety Award two years in a row. And we also avoided distractions by not having females aboard!! In my opinion having females on any sea-going Navy vessel is a major distraction just just so we can be "politically correct!"

Posted by: caldwellw | September 21, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I am 76 years old, and flew carrier-based jet light attack planes with the Navy from 1960 to 1964 from USS Forrestal. This Administration is messing with an arrangement that works, to apparently satisfy some political desires elsewhere. For goodness sakes, leave things alone so our warriors can do their jobs in Afghanistan and not be confused. We had no sexual/bisexual problems in the early 60s, and my squadron (Attack Squadron 83)won the CNO Safety Award two years in a row. And we also avoided distractions by not having females aboard!! In my opinion having females on any sea-going Navy vessel is a major distraction just just so we can be "politically correct!"

Posted by: caldwellw | September 21, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

All this has nothing to do with fairness or even efficiency. although both will be impaired if political correctness is allowed to work the same mischief in the military that it has in academia and even in industry. PC picks favorites: the victim classes--blacks, Muslims, gays, women are given preferential treatment, and woe be to the white or Christian --or Jew--or straight or male who is charged with an offense against one of them. In a military environment, this has the perverse effect of making members of the classes suspect of being "teacher's pets."

Posted by: RobbyS | September 21, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that who a person choses to love causes so much fear? How pathetic that the country claiming to be the leader of the free world harbors such blatant and open discrimination.

Posted by: dem4life1 | September 21, 2010 10:12 AM |
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No one cares "who," or "what" you love." It's just that in most societies, and among "normal people," Love, is not considered a spectator sport.
You can Love your Mother, your Father, your five year-old, your Brother, your chicken, your goat, and your Chevy, in your bedroom.
If you don't let anyone know about it, they'll never complain, or criticize you, for it.
Homosexuality, can never produce a practical benefit to Mankind, or the earth.
Dennis


Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 21, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

What Congress doesn't care about:

"A congresswoman [Rep. Jane Harman, D-California] said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military.

A government report indicates that the numbers could be even higher. ..."

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-31/us/military.sexabuse_1_sexual-assault-sexual-abuse-military-service?_s=PM:US

Gays in the military is a big issue that might affect military morale. How about sexually assaulting 40% of the women in the military. Is that for military morale?

Straight boys will be boys is ok.

Posted by: James10 | September 21, 2010 10:14 PM |
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So, you're suggesting that Sexual attacks, would likely happen with "less frequency" if we allowed openly homosexual men, in the barracks>? Yeah, Right. That makes a lot of sense.
What we need to do, is to ressurect the Miiitary firing squads, and get out the noose. There were more than 100 executions of American Soldiers, during WWII, for rape, and murder.
Execute murderers. Donate their vital organs.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 22, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

What Congress doesn't care about:

"A congresswoman [Rep. Jane Harman, D-California] said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military.

A government report indicates that the numbers could be even higher. ..."

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-07-31/us/military.sexabuse_1_sexual-assault-sexual-abuse-military-service?_s=PM:US

Gays in the military is a big issue that might affect military morale. How about sexually assaulting 40% of the women in the military. Is that for military morale?

Straight boys will be boys is ok.

Posted by: James10 | September 21, 2010 10:14 PM |
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So, you're suggesting that Sexual attacks, would likely happen with "less frequency" if we allowed openly homosexual men, in the barracks>? Yeah, Right. That makes a lot of sense.
What we need to do, is to ressurect the Miiitary firing squads, and get out the noose. There were more than 100 executions of American Soldiers, during WWII, for rape, and murder.
Execute murderers. Donate their vital organs.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | September 22, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

no homosexual has the right to have their possibly aides tainted blood splattered on a good sodlier.

Posted by: sinnersunited | September 22, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

When Congress refuses to do its job (as it is doing, at the behest of Republicans in the Senate, as to DADT), and leaves it to the Courts to do what the Constitution requires, Conservatives should choke on their own hypocrisy when they start ranting about "activist judges".

Posted by: Iconoblaster | September 22, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

to all those homo haters.

its funny how we fought to not have slavery, we fought for freedom, we fought for rights..

but..
we cant fight for this?! look at ur selfs, look at ur lifes, has a gay person personally hitted on u?...how many times? do u know where they are? how they act? how they go to work? dress like?


i mean ALL not the ones u see all rainbowed out n half naked, the ones u walk by on the street, they one that might take ur order..??

who do you think you are to say rather if a person like you is not good enought to die for you?..

are u crazy..
and those "bible thumpers"..
THIS WHOLE god thingy is alll B.S and if noone will tell u i will. ...

its all an answer so u can go to sleep at night..its all a secruity in ur life. a thing to think abt so u dont get freaked out aND START TO ASK ? LIKE WHY..why!!..WHY!!
why
why
why...no now that u got ur head alover this thing u dont need to

STOP IT!!!
STOP IT ALL!

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO (FORCE) YOUR OWN PERSONAL BELIVES ON OTHERS


AND FOR GAYS IN THE ARMY...

THAY ARE JUST LIKE BLACK, ASIN, WHITE, ETC. PEOPLE!!!

LOOK AT YOURSLEF...JUST LIKE YOU!!!!

JUST LIKE ME ....

Posted by: shurbertgirl | September 22, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Such a waste of time!! Sexual orientation has nothing to do with serving in the military....Congress should get rid of this dumb "don't ask, don't tell"..... I am sick of hearing about it!! Let's do it and move on to more important things.

Posted by: nhgal628 | September 24, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

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