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Posted at 4:34 PM ET, 12/ 9/2010

'Don't ask, don't tell' procedural vote fails

By Ed O'Keefe and Paul Kane

Updated 5:41 p.m. ET
A Senate procedural vote to move forward with debate on a bill ending the military's "don't ask, don't tell" law failed Thursday to earn the 60 votes necessary to proceed, delivering a significant blow to efforts to allow gays to serve openly.

Despite the setback, senators fighting to end the ban said they would introduce a separate bill to repeal it.

The bill will be cosponsored by Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Susan Collins (R-Maine), who often work together on homeland security and defense issues. They said the bill will have bipartisan support.

President Obama expressed disappointment and urged senators to reconsider the National Defense Authorization Act before the end of the lame-duck session.

"Despite having the bipartisan support of a clear majority of senators, a minority of senators are standing in the way of the funding upon which our troops, veterans and military families depend," Obama said in a statement. "This annual bill has been enacted each of the past 48 years, and our armed forces deserve nothing less this year."

Senators voted 57 to 40 to advance the NDAA, which contained language ending the ban, as all Republicans except Collins held firm on a vow to block any legislation that does not address tax cuts or government spending. One Democrat, Sen. Joseph Manchin (D-W.Va.) voted against.

"We've tried every possible way to do this," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday before the vote. More than a week of negotiations with Collins and Lieberman.

Throughout the first 15 minutes of the vote, Collins repeatedly broke into huddles with Lieberman and Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.), reading through legislative language on the floor, at times rolling it up into a ball and angrily waving her arms about how the process was handled. Collins voted with Democrats to proceed on the bill, though by then it was clear her vote would not effect the outcome.

Collins, Reid and Lieberman had negotiated for more than week on an agreement that would allow Republicans to introduce up to 10 amendments to the bill, with Democrats adding up to five.

Collins agreed to the amendment count Wednesday, but held firm to a request for at least four days of debate on the bill and amendments. Reid rebuffed her request, citing the need to proceed with the tax and spending measures before the Senate's planned departure next weekend.

"History will hold these senators accountable and so will many of their constituents," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, a group pushing for repeal of the law. "There will be no place for these Senators to hide. The Senate and the president must remain in session and in Washington to find another path for repeal to get done in the lame-duck."

"Leaders of both parties let down the U.S. military and the American people," said Joe Solomonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights organization with close ties to the White House and Congressional Democrats "Instead of doing what is right, 'the world's greatest deliberative body' devolved into shameful schoolyard spats that put petty partisan politics above the needs of our women and men in uniform."

Thursday's vote saps gay-rights activists of their strongest legislative option for ending the ban; they now plan to pressure Obama to act on his own through executive action. Obama could order the Justice Department to stop appealing federal court cases challenging the constitutionality of the law or use his powers as commander-in-chief to issue a stop-loss order halting military discharges and the removal of any gay troops in violation of the ban.

Executive action by Obama is "imperative in order for him to fulfill his State of the Union promise," Solomonese said. "The only measure of success is an end to the discharges and anything less is unacceptable."

"I think the president strongly believes that one of two things is going to happen: Either Congress is going to solve this legislatively, or the courts are going to solve this," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Thursday before the vote. "The policy is going to come to an end."

A Pentagon spokesman said the Defense Department had no immediate comment. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen support ending the ban through legislation this year, as do some of the military service chiefs. But the heads of the Army and Marine Corps last week expressed reservations about ending the ban this year as combat troops continue to face the pressures of ongoing conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The fate of the broader 2011 defense measure is also increasingly in doubt with Congress scheduled to depart next weekend. The measure, which authorized Pentagon policy and spending, has been approved for 48 consecutive years.

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Comments

The fact that we have some people who think gay people would do any less of a job than a straight person in the military shows how pathetic some parts of our society are today

I still am a bit shocked at the homophobic, idiotic rants some on the right state publicly

Posted by: Bious | December 9, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd be worried about cooties... biologically I believe we were never meant to find love in the discharge shoot.

Posted by: WmLaney | December 9, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

A majority of Senators and the population of the country is against extending the tax cuts for the rich.

The tax cuts for the rich are being extended.

A majority of Senators, the population of the United States, and the military support ending the policy of DADT and yet the repeal lingers while there is more debate.

What is this, government by the minority?

It is WE THE PEOPLE and we have spoken. END DADT now.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | December 9, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

WmLaney, some of us believe we were never meant to find love with people with a poor vocabulary.

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | December 9, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nyrunner101: "A majority of Senators and the population of the country is against extending the tax cuts for the rich."
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You're drug induced hallucinations aside, the latest national polling has 66% of American's FOR keeping the taxes the same for ALL tax brackets. Besides, didn't you know that the Dem leadership NEVER had any intention of ending DADT? If they did, it would have taken them 10 minutes in Feb.'09...

Posted by: illogicbuster | December 9, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

«Collins agreed to the amendment count Wednesday, but held firm to a request for at least four days of debate on the bill . . . »

Debate? «at least four days of debate»? Homophobes, there are no two sides to debate, there is one side «repeal», with arguments to debate, the other side is not a side, the «anti-repeal» side, anyone on that side is a homophobe, that side is not based on arguments, it is based only on the «Wisdom of Repugnance» and the «ethics of disgust».

Disgust, repugnance, ¿what is this disgust that causes so many GI's and Marines not to want homosexual men in their outfits? Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said, «A man must not look at a man's private parts, nor a woman at a woman's; and a man must not come close to a man in one garment nor a woman to a woman in one garment», this is a hadith quoted by Muslim Ibn al-Hajjaj.

GI's, Marines, they do not want fellow soldiers, Marines, in the barracks looking at their private parts, ¿can you blame them, seeing that the Prophet himself (PBUH) forbids such looking? Homophobes, they will tell Senators to vote against NDAA with «repeal», they will tell you not to allow cruising on the cruisers, sissies in the Signal Corps, leathersex among the Leathernecks, fisting on the frigates, perversion in the platoons, rimming in the regiments, queens in the Marines, felching at fighter bases, sodomy on the submarines, fellatio in the forts, homophobes will tell you that all of these activities, men are sexually penetrated in these activities, since a man merely *looking* at a man's private parts is disgusting and repugnant, ¿how much more so are these activities disgusting and repugnant? Huh?? Your son's unit, ¿do you want these activities going on in your son's unit, on your son's ship? Huh??

Repression, surely there are men, GI's, sailors, Marines, airmen, who have attraction to the same sex, they are in the units now, but they repress their urge to engage in such activities where they are sexually penetrated or they sexually penetrate their buddies, they repress the disgusting activities, their bunkmates and shipmates, they do not have to throw up from disgust, this repression allows them to serve their country, this repression may well save them from «Gay bowel syndrome» and even HIV/AIDS, repression of repugnant urges is good, «Don't ask, don't tell» encourages repression, O Senators, listen to the homophobes, vote down «repeal» of DADT!

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | December 9, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

The outcome couldn't be more obvious. The Democrats will cave in on taxes, and the Republicans will block DADT repeal. The Democrats are spineless weaklings, and the Republicans are focused and determined.

Posted by: MagicDog1 | December 9, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Kill the entire bill. I'd like to see them walk away without authorizing money for the military before the end of the session. Just try it, all of you, republiscums and democrats, try it.

Posted by: mtravali | December 9, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

So, the Pentagon says it's time, the individual services (with high reservation from USMC) say it's time, the American people say it's time. But the 21st century-challanged Senate thinks it knows better. Where do they get the ego and arrogance? Fools.

Posted by: jckdoors | December 9, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: nyrunner101: "A majority of Senators and the population of the country is against extending the tax cuts for the rich."
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You're drug induced hallucinations aside, the latest national polling has 66% of American's FOR keeping the taxes the same for ALL tax brackets. Besides, didn't you know that the Dem leadership NEVER had any intention of ending DADT? If they did, it would have taken them 10 minutes in Feb.'09...

Posted by: illogicbuster
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LIAR..

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46125.html

Posted by: pdq2 | December 9, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"You're drug induced hallucinations aside, the latest national polling has 66% of American's FOR keeping the taxes the same for ALL tax brackets."

Simply not true, skeezix.

Posted by: Observer691 | December 9, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love todays Extremist Republican Party...


Nothing scares Republicans more in these days of economic uncertainty than whether or not some silver spooned sh*t head is going to have to pay taxes on their multi millions in inheritance and teh gays serving openly in the military.

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Posted by: DrainYou | December 9, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

«With Thursday's failed vote, gay-rights groups will pressure President Obama to take executive action to end the 17-year old law. Obama could order the Justice Department to stop appealing federal court cases challenging the constitutionality of the law or use his powers as commander-in-chief to issue a stop-loss order halting military discharges, and the removal of any gay troops in violation of the ban.

«Executive action by Obama is "imperative in order for him to fulfill his State of the Union promise," said Joe Solomonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign,»

Wait a minute, O Ed O'Keefe, yes, our President Obama did make a State of the Union promise, but ¿did he not also take an inauguration oath to carry out the duties of President of the United States, do these duties under Article II, Section 3 of USA Constitution not say, «he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed»?

And here you are, O Ed O'Keefe, speculating about our President, what he could do to «end the 17-year-old law» instead of taking care that the 17-year-old law be faithfully executed, here you are speculating about how our President Obama could break his oath that he took on January 20, 2009, to faithfully execute the laws! His oath, ¿is not keeping that oath more important than keeping his campaign promise to a pressure group? That campaign promise to the Sodomy Lobby, ¿why is it any more important than his promise to keep unemployment below 8%, huh??

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | December 9, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

keep up the good work. senate queers in the queer bar not the military.

Posted by: dagner49 | December 9, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Senate as such didn't block anything.
The Republicans staged another of their all time record-setting filibusters. In the words of the former Senate Majority leader Bill Frist, the filibuster is "minority tyranny". He was talking about the MUCH smaller number of filibusters launched by Democrats ran in 2004.

Posted by: twm1 | December 9, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I want to see the vote - clearly we lost some Democrats if we got Collins and still didn't get 60.

It is absolutely disgusting that Harry Reid thinks that the Congress has to go home at the end of next week and not work until December 23rd like other working Americans which would have given them plenty of time for four days of debate.

Posted by: peterdc | December 9, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone really be surprised? The Democrats are feckless weaklings, and the Republicans are the American taliban.

Posted by: MagicDog1 | December 9, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans might be willing to let homosexuals die for their country once everyone making over $500,000/year is allowed to park in handicapped spaces and is, by law, addressed as 'gov'nor' in an English accent." - John Oliver (Daily Show) on repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"

I guess they didn't get the concession.

Posted by: landofCleve | December 9, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Keep putting the bill up so we can see who the homophobes and hypocrites are. Then the public can't vote them out! Creeps.

Posted by: sandnsmith | December 9, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, the women and the minorities now get all the cushy stateside jobs, are there enough to give the gays?

After all, it's only fair to deploy the same troops to wars time and time again, while women, gays and minorities sit stateside, polishing their fingernails.

And when they're actually asked to do their jobs, they can cry "discrimination" and go back to polishing their fingernails.

Outstanding idea. Can't figure out why this hasn't been enacted earlier.

Posted by: NoDonkey | December 9, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Nuke the Senate; who needs this corruption of bigoted self-serving troglytes? Every Republican should be tarred, feathered, and run across the border with citizenship revoked...or maybe just send them to Arizona! And the Democrats are little better, this ugly body is so misrepresented of the country as to be an abomination! Just 15% of the people have 50% of the Senators while the top 50% in population have a mere 10%! This elitist group of royalists are controlled by a minority of a minority; thugs, hostage takers, criminals in heart and mind! Kyle, McCain, Lieberman, Graham, McConnell, etal; cowards one and all; wolverines pissing on America; they make me want to puke!

Posted by: CHAOTICIAN101 | December 9, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure which is worse...the failure to repeal DADT or Belmont University firing their women's soccer coach because she announced she was having a baby with her same sex partner. Today's generation of kids have much greater things to worry about than what they generally regard as no different than being left-handed but the old guys and gals wearing business attire seem to have problems with an ever-changing society. It's not a liberal-conservative things...it's a human rights thing!

Posted by: tim21 | December 9, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

It's a real shame.

Gays ARE going to be allowed to serve openly. Anyone can see which way the wind is blowing on this one.

This is just going to drag it out further and make the adjustment that much more disruptive. It's not patriotic and it's not responsible.

Posted by: andrew23boyle | December 9, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't you love it? Only in the Senate can votes be "lost" with 57 for and 40 against. What happened to democracy? The Senate's rules must be changed.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | December 9, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Since the GOP is still playing games in the Senate and are wasting time with their antics. Harry Reid should tell them that no vote on Obama's compromise with the GOP on the tax cuts will happen unless they stop their stupid games. In other words, Hold the tax cut compromise HOSTAGE. Watch how fast they change their tune for their rich friends.

Posted by: sumo1 | December 9, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Score: constitution loving, patriot Americans 57; political cowards or bigots 40

Posted by: bgd1964 | December 9, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Seems there are 3 types of people in the military: 1) gays, 2) straights that are okay with gays, and 3) straights that are not okay with gays. The three groups are incompatible, one should go. Obviously group 3) should go.

Posted by: cheerheart | December 9, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Two points.

1. It's the height of stupidity to blame the whole Senate. If Reid could have brought this up on an up-or-down vote, he would have. Repubicants are known already to be racist and anti-semitic. Homophobia and treason are surprising?

2. Related to the question above, why do so many of my fellow lefties think Obama shouldn't make the tax cut deal and help the unemployed, but wait for the next Congress and fight for the unemployed? Are they that stupid that they think a GOP House will do ANYTHING for humanity?

Posted by: TruthtoPower4 | December 9, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Republicans once again side with the Taliban over American freedom. Big surprise there.

How many times can you be on the wrong side of history before you get tired of it? Simply amazing.

Posted by: B2O2 | December 9, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

illogicbuster - You're drug induced hallucinations aside, the latest national polling has 66% of American's FOR keeping the taxes the same for ALL tax brackets

Source or you are just another conservative lying sack of

Posted by: mojo975 | December 9, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Washington Post homosexual article number 2,584

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | December 9, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

It's tme for the Dems to blow up the Repugs beloved tax cuts. Screw'em. The right's rich overlords can do without their gov't funded multi millions in tax cut gifts from their Repug flunkies. We Can't Afford It!

Posted by: DrainYou | December 9, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I believe it's "discharge CHUTE", not "discharge shoot".

Posted by: enogabal | December 9, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

We The People of the Senate have spoken... :(

Posted by: dc1020008 | December 9, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The SUPERMINORITY Thwarts Again!

Over the popular will, over the views of the military themselves, over the will of nearly two-thirds of the Senate, over the will of the majority of pretty much everybody, a forty-seat SuperMinority once again presses the THWART button.

The SuperMinority Thwarts Again.

Posted by: TJLambert | December 9, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

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Washington Post homosexual article number 2,584

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | December 9, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse
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Take your bigotted arse back to Right Wing Lunatic Fringe Teabagger Land, you clown.

The adults are trying to have a conversation here.

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Posted by: DrainYou | December 9, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

57 against 40. That means Democrats voted against it too.

Posted by: forgetthis | December 9, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse


Well of course it failed, silly Dims.

There will be no repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell in the lame duck session of Congress.

Just like I told you would happen, hilarious Dims. No different than what I have said would happen, for months.

Does Barry have the votes? No.

And as for an "executive order", Barry the incompetent boob Obama has no presidential power to overturn a law, and Don't Ask Don't Tell is the law of the land.


Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

(three-fifths. of the senate.)

Posted by: TJLambert | December 9, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Bious,

Consider Pvt. Manning, an opening homosexual activist in the military who was motivated by his homosexual lifestyle to protest the military and DADT by leaking tens of thousands of classifeed documents. Wow, not that is a great homosexual role model and perfect reason to change DADT. Not.

Besides, I don't know if you served in the military or not, but I did and can tell you that I would not want to be berthed with homosexual, nor see them behaving in the obscene manner that we encounter (just watch a homosexual pride parade). Further, just as homosexuals cannot donate blood because of HIV risks, how are you to identify and segregate them in the military? The end result is that their non-homosexual colleagues could not trust or depend upon them.

No, DADT is not a perfect solution but no one had the stomach at the time to continue an outright ban. Maybe we can set up some perversion corps to allow them to do community service to fulfill the sense of contributing the country...

Posted by: MatthewWeaver | December 9, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

To nyrunner101: uhhh, whaaa? Take another look at the vote numbers. It wasn't 40 against and 57 for the repeal. It was 57 against. 57 senators who represent a majority of American citizens. 57 senators who will face their constituents for reelection. You're welcome to vote against yours when he/she is due, but I'm guessing they (& their staff) did the math and determined which way the real majority was leaning. Ya might wanna wake up, get off your little liberal cloud, and take a look around to see where your fellow Americans really want this country to go. I mean outside the comfort zone of your like-minded circle and take a pulse reading of the rest of America. Just cuz a certain minor faction gets alot of media attention, doesn't mean it's a majority.

Posted by: LieToMe | December 9, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Take your bigotted arse back to Right Wing Lunatic Fringe Teabagger Land, you clown.
The adults are trying to have a conversation here.

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To the juvenile gay posters like the above, I rest my case.

Posted by: IamWright | December 9, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Any military person too scared to serve along side a gay person is unfit for military service and should be discharged immediately.

Posted by: kirbyknight | December 9, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

So when is Lindsey Graham going to discharge himself from the miltary?!?!?

Posted by: DrainYou | December 9, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

LieToMe: Learn the facts before you post. 57 people voted in favor of the cloture motion (to allow the measure to proceed), and 40 voted against. In the Senate, you must have 60 votes to cut off debate before voting on the measure itself. You invalidated your entire post with your ignorance.

Posted by: kirbyknight | December 9, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The failure to repeal DADT hurts good men, women, their families, and the nation. Loyal citizens want to serve their country. We need their service. Every Senator who is complicit in the failure to repeal DADT should be ashamed.

Posted by: sigh | December 9, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Personally I think every gay man or lesbian currently serving in the Armed Forces in silence should openly declare their gayness and get the heck out. The military apparently doesn't want them. Pretty soon they will be instituting a draft to get enough soldiers and watch how many homosexuals there are then.

Posted by: hart2014 | December 9, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Too many in Congress are as backward and idiotic as the Taliban. I wonder if the problem is some gay homophobes in Congress. It would explain their ridiculous voting on this subject.

Gays can fight as well as straights so it is really stupid to even have this rule to begin with. We are being shown for the backward provincials we are by the Canadians and the Brits among many others.

Grow up and learn to act like civilized human beings.

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"...though by then it was clear her vote would not effect the outcome."

Affect.

Posted by: jks4 | December 9, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

You don't know what you're talking about LieToMe. 57 senators voted for cloture, 40 against. However, since it takes 60 votes to begin debate, the motion failed.

So, 40 senators, representing far less than 40 percent of the population, has thwarted the will of the majority as expressed in the Senate, and against majority public opinion, and against majority opinion of the military.

Bill Frist was correct about only a few things, and tyranny of the minority was one.

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 9, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

This is just an eye for an eye, do we realize this?
The house democrats stopped the tax bill that gives the republicans what they want and so they block the DREAM act and DADT repeal, mystery is to me how the government can work with this absurd filibuster rule that basically means the tyranny of the minority.

Posted by: biglio | December 9, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

One word for Senator Collins: BIGOT

Posted by: voisjoe1 | December 9, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

LieToMe: Learn the facts before you post. 57 people voted in favor of the cloture motion (to allow the measure to proceed), and 40 voted against. In the Senate, you must have 60 votes to cut off debate before voting on the measure itself. You invalidated your entire post with your ignorance.

Posted by: kirbyknight | December 9, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

+++++

I'll bet you would be glad to have just one judge reverse DADT against the wishes of millions of supporters of DADT. The democrats and republicans alike saw the "shellacking" you liberal/socialists got in the last election and the will of the people so they're not giving gays "civil rights" All gays are not black!

Posted by: IamWright | December 9, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Homophobic, not.....where in the Bible does it ever say that homosexuality is a good thing??
Let me tell you, as an active military, special ops commander, there is NO way I would ever stay in the military IF such a law was EVER inacted. There is no tolerance or time for Peter Puffers checking our real men's packages or their JUNK!! Right now, I would assume the Puffers would be harassed, ridiculed, beat up, mauled by unappreciative soldies doing the job of protecting you gay lovers sissy limp wristed Bois...you should stay in ballet, be a shoe saleman, somethign that you can stay with your femine side....just stay out of the military's way...and the vote that we were supposed to receive from Mr. Gates/Pentagon....NEVER HAPPENED...I now of at leat 250 of us that never received the ballot....we were too busy protecting our country here in the desert...they even gave the ballots to non-US military, like civilians working FOR the military, but they werre not active US military personnel...they were getting paid by the company's that hired them in the U.S....it was a farce....

Posted by: bodygrinder | December 9, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Don't let me EVER hear a US Senator "preching" to the world about democracy or human rights. By this vote, the USA has again refused to get into the 21st century, thanks largely to McCain and his cronies in the "American Christian Taliban" who have spread absolutely amazing untruths.

Posted by: MarkWindsor | December 9, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

To kirbyknight: Please point to specifically where in my original post I wrote anything re 'cloture motion' or 'cutting off debate'. I simply pointed out where the majority voted and who they represented. Nice try, though. Wanna try again?

Posted by: LieToMe | December 9, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't you provide a list of senators with how they voted? Bad journalism?

Posted by: jmmoran1 | December 9, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I am very saddened by the Senate vote today. This vote tells me that our government values the rights of gays less than the rights of heterosexual individuals. What right do we have to discrimiate against someone because of the way they were born (not made, not chose to be BUT Born)?? So wrong, so sad.....

Posted by: OccHealthNurse | December 9, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Does no one remember 1992?

Bill Clinton vowed to allow gays in the military on day one of his presidency. After he was elected, I suspect, military leaders privately told him the facts of life. Something like: "Don't do it, Bill, or we take over."

Now we have Obama making a similar vow, military leaders publicly pretending they have changed, and this mess 18 years later. Don't blame this Senate. Blame Clinton, Obama, and whoever really runs this country.

(yeah, paranoid, sure.)

Posted by: qoph | December 9, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

NOT ANTIQUATED -SMART FOR ALL INVOLVED~

THE MILITARY IS NOT ANOTHER "CEILING" IT IS NOT JUST ANOTHER "FEDERAL" JOB- IT IS THE DEFENSE OF A NATION

NATIONAL SECURITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAT SOMEONE'S SOCIAL CALENDAR~

WITH DADT ONE CAN STILL "PURSUE" THEIR SOCIAL PREFERENCES... WITHOUT DISCUSSING IT OPENLY-

DON'T KNOW WHO STRAIGHT FOLKS ARE UNLESS THEY ARE MARRIED OR YOU SEE THEM WITH SOMEONE~

IS AMERICA READY TO PAY FOR ALL THE WOMEN WHO WANT TO BE ARTIFICIALLY INSEMINATED BECAUSE THEY ARE LESBIANS & THEN ALL THE "CHILD CARE" ISSUES ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT TO BE PARENTS- THEREBY "SINGLE" PARENTS- THEREBY WEAKENING THE DEFENSE OF A NATION - LET'S NOT GET INTO RAISING THE RISK LEVEL & COST OF MEDICAL FOR THOSE WITH "AIDS"

WE HAVE A WELFARE SYSTEM ALREADY- LET'S NOT TURN THE MILITARY INTO ANOTHER ONE~

YES OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE GAYS SERVING OPENLY BUT THEIRS AREN'T RUN LIKE OURS~

THEY DON'T GET THE RESPECT OURS DOES EITHER~

BED HOPPING IS ENOUGH TO KEEP STRAIGHT WITH STRAIGHT FOLKS - NOW WHAT IS UP WITH FOLKS WHO HAVE GENDER IDENTITY ISSUES...

THIS IS NOT A "CONTEST" THIS IS THE DEFENSE OF A NATION- ANYONE WHO WOULD PUT THEIR SELFISH ISSUES OVER THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN OUR MILITARY~

Posted by: NATURLUS | December 9, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

MaCain suffers dementia. The 6-years he
'chose' to live in the Hanoi Hilton fried his
brain. Now he wants us all in there with him.
Pitiful. COGIO: crazy old guys in office

Posted by: jcollamer | December 9, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice try, WaPo. Why don't you tell the whole story.

The GOP didn't simply block "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," but they also awarded Dick Cheney the Congressional Medal of Freedom for his six deferments from Vietnam.

Kind of ironic, huh?

Posted by: SwellLevel5 | December 9, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

To Mr. Bodygrinder. I don't believe you are who you say you are. No special ops commander would conduct himself in such a way. You cannot spell and you have no discipline. So stop impersonating a member of our US military.

Posted by: Dehart | December 9, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

From TPM:
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), the focus of the negotiations, voted in favor of cloture while Republican Sens. Scott Brown (MA) and Lisa Murkowski (AK) voted no. Freshly-elected Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) also voted no.

Three Senators missed the vote: Sam Brownback (R-KS), John Cornyn (R-TX) and Blanche Lincoln (D-AR).

Posted by: Misty630 | December 9, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Headline should read: DEMOCRATIC CONTROLLED SENATE REJECTS GAYS IN MILITARY--Shame on the dems. Cheers.

Posted by: MPNangle | December 9, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

You know what I think is sad is that there has been more emphasis on being gay in the military than the actual purpose of just being in the military and why your there...If your gay fine then be that way I don't give a flyin S$%^ but quit being selfish and just DO YOUR JOB! If it's that big a deal to you then get out and go do something you can be gay at!!!!!!

Posted by: stxsmokinjo78 | December 9, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Your headline is missing a word -- it should read, "Senate REPUBLICANS block measure allowing gays to serve openly in military."

Posted by: siamesecat | December 9, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I bet 30 out of the 40 naysayers are closet queens

Posted by: johng1 | December 9, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

How sad WaPo reporters don't have basic English skills. From the article: "Collins voted with Democrats to proceed on the bill, though by then it was clear her vote would not effect the outcome." Apparently, Mr. O'Keefe never learned that effect is a noun and affect is a verb. How sad the writing has become at WaPo. Kathryn Graham, be pleased you're not here to see this. And I see these lack of English skills on a daily basis on here!

Posted by: Jim-McLean | December 9, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Those who are afraid to serve with gays must be hiding something, most likely even from themselves. If your sexuality was secure you wouldn't be so damned scared and hostile towards gays serving with you and making childish comments and threats to go with that silly macho posturing. You are the real sissy boys. Hell, they are all around you and you don't even notice because they are no different than the rest of us. Canadian and British soldiers aren't afraid of gays and their armed forces do quite well. Grow up.

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

How sad WaPo reporters don't have basic English skills. From the article: "Collins voted with Democrats to proceed on the bill, though by then it was clear her vote would not effect the outcome." Apparently, Mr. O'Keefe never learned that effect is a noun and affect is a verb. How sad the writing has become at WaPo. Kathryn Graham, be pleased you're not here to see this. And I see these lack of English skills on a daily basis on here!

Posted by: Jim-McLean | December 9, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Those who are afraid to serve with gays must be hiding something, most likely even from themselves. If your sexuality was secure you wouldn't be so damned scared and hostile towards gays serving with you and making childish comments and threats to go with that silly macho posturing. You are the real sissy boys. Hell, they are all around you and you don't even notice because they are no different than the rest of us. Canadian and British soldiers aren't afraid of gays and their armed forces do quite well. Grow up.

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

They should make those who want to filibuster everything actually get out there and do it, not just threaten to. The senate is broken.

Posted by: SageThrasher | December 9, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

bodygrinder: you are welcome to resign your commission at any time. If you are enlisted, please feel free not to re-up. If you are so fearful of serving next to an open homosexual, you are of the strong quality our military needs.

'"I think the president strongly believes that one of two things is going to happen: Either Congress is going to solve this legislatively, or the courts are going to solve this," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Thursday before the vote. "The policy is going to come to an end"'

And Obama will sit on the sidelines and do nothing. Making promises his butt won't cash.

Posted by: Greent | December 9, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Just one more reason that Pelosi is pissed at the Senate. All they know how to do is block. And one more reason that the filibuster must be reofrmed.

Posted by: wd1214 | December 9, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

DEAR PEOPLE.......PLEASE NOTE THAT ALL THE STUDIES CONCERNING DON'T ASK - DON'T TELL WERE CONDUCTED BY THOSE WHO NEVER SERVED IN THE ENLISTED RANKS OF THE MILITARY. THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT LIVING WITH GAYS, SHOWERING WITH GAYS, EATING WITH GAYS AND CONDUCTING MILITARY OPERATIONS WITH GAYS AMOUNTS TO.
WHATEVER YOUR OPINIONS ARE AND WHATEVER DECISIONS YOU REACH REGARDING GAYS IN YOUR PERSONAL LIFE, IT IS NOT THE SAME FOR THE ENLISTED RANKS IN THE MILITARY. THEY OBJECT TO IT AND FOR ALL INTENT THIS IS THE ONLY STUDY THAT MEANS A THING.
ONE THING FOR SURE.......
ADMIRAL MULLINS AND SECRETARY GATES DO NOT HAVE TO SLEEP IN THE SAME BARRACKS OR SHOWER WITH THEM OR EAT WITH THEM. RANK HAS IT'S PRIVILEGES AND THEY ARE IMMUNE.
PLEASE DON'T TELL ME THAT GAYS WOULD NOT CONTINUE TO HIT ON STRAIGHT GUYS AND WHAT IF THE GAY IS A SARGENT OR SOMEONE OF AUTHORITY. IT WILL NEVER WORK AND IF THE POWERS TO BE IN COMMAND POSTS MAKE IT HAPPEN THEN WE AS A COUNTRY WILL SUFFER THE LOSS OF STRAIGHT GUYS WHO REFUSE TO SERVE, EAT, SLEEP AND SHOWER WITH GAYS.

Posted by: ISWEDE | December 9, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

The poor Pentagon, better prepare for the courts to step in

Posted by: moebius22 | December 9, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Today's Republicans are just plain evil.

Posted by: markiejoe | December 9, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pdq2 "LIAR.."
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Poor drug using libs. ROFLMAO
http://www.gallup.com/poll/145109/Americans-Support-Major-Elements-Tax-Compromise.aspx

Posted by: illogicbuster | December 9, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NoDonkey
Well, the women and the minorities now get all the cushy stateside jobs, are there enough to give the gays?
After all, it's only fair to deploy the same troops to wars time and time again, while women, gays and minorities sit stateside, polishing their fingernails.
And when they're actually asked to do their jobs, they can cry "discrimination" and go back to polishing their fingernails.
Outstanding idea. Can't figure out why this hasn't been enacted earlier.
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Judging from your post you don't seem to be able to figure out anything beyond snack time and naps.

Posted by: overed | December 9, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

magicDog1 writes: "The outcome couldn't be more obvious. The Democrats will cave in on taxes, and the Republicans will block DADT repeal. The Democrats are spineless weaklings, and the Republicans are focused and determined."
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Yes. And dead wrong on virtually every issue.

Posted by: monk4hall | December 9, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Lie to Me: You either can't read English or (more likely) are deliberately misrepresenting what happened to score cheap shots.

From the opening paragraph of Mr. O'Keefe's report: "Senators voted 57 to 40 to advance the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which contained language ending the ban."

Because Sen. Collins was the only Republican to vote in favor, proponents fell three votes short of the 60 required to invoke cloture and proceed to a vote.
Even so, a clear majority favored repealing Don't Ask, Don't Tell, refuting your baseless claim to the contrary.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | December 9, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ISWEDE: a bunch of crap

Do you get hit on often by gay men? What is your problem? Ha ha

Posted by: johng1 | December 9, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I am not surprised by this at all. The great Heterosexual Warriors in congress hold dear their trimphant exclusivity on making better combat morbidity and mortality subjects than gays. Perhaps we should allow them to continue to have a greater chance to die than our gay brethren. Evidently, those who tortured McCain had it right...an ugly example of the All American He Man who has complained about it about for years. He deserved it.

Posted by: ray17 | December 9, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Judging from your profoundly stupid posting, NoDonkey, your user ID is only half-right: You're far too ignorant and hateful to be a Democrat but you are, without a doubt, a true jackass!

Posted by: DCSteve1 | December 9, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"...all Republicans except Collins held firm on a vow to block any legislation that does not address tax cuts or government spending."

...or tax cuts for the rich.

Obstructionist pretext from Palin's homophobic theocons al la the recently converted Granpa McCain.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 9, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Okay, they just forfeited about 5% of the vote for what was really a non-issue.

Posted by: RealTexan1 | December 9, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

To the person whose rant included the line, DON'T KNOW WHO STRAIGHT FOLKS ARE UNLESS THEY ARE MARRIED OR YOU SEE THEM WITH SOMEONE~, sorry but you really don't know much. There are lots of married gays out there and they all have friends of the opposite sex.

Also if you think other countries armed services aren't respected because they allow gays openly then you are quite delusional. The US is openly derided all over for our attitude on this subject. Our position on gays is nearly as low as Iran, Pakistan, the Taliban, etc.

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Good. No butt pirates allowed in the U.S Navy.

Posted by: Defund_NPR | December 9, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I'd be worried about cooties... biologically I believe we were never meant to find love in the discharge shoot.

Posted by: WmLaney

As if all gays practice this. What about filthy hetros who do the same, you rat ba$tard pretend-to-be-Christian Huckabee.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 9, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This is another example of the media trying to distract us from real problems like:
- Politicians being bought by special interests, like oil and drug companies and the banks
- The increase in debt to both citizens and other countries
- Industries shutting down factories because they can make more profits by buying cheaper overseas
- People losing their homes and their jobs
- A food supply in danger from greedy producers and their chemical industry partners

The list goes on.
By the way, if DADT gets repealed, does that mean they can 'ask' again?

Posted by: mastersinourhouse | December 9, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@ISWEDE: I guess you can't contain yourself around women, then? Every woman you see you have sex with and/or rape, right? Somehow, gays cannot control themselves. They just rape and can't act professionally at all by your view. Please explain this further and what backing evidence you have (besides perhaps prison where maybe you were someone's sweetie).

Posted by: SteadyState | December 9, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The ignorance and hatred exhibited by Our Fellow Countrymen with respect to people who are homosexual is shocking. Of course, those who who don't know and take their opinions from their authoritarian church teachings would throw away perfectly usable military assets rather than employ them to win our "very necessary" wars. The same people who are filled with hatred and ignorance also opine that war is the natural condition of man, and that American exceptionism dictates that America throw money and warriors up against religous zealots until those zealots are wiped off the planet, if ever. But they fear what may happen when men attracted to men are permitted to serve. Does that attraction decrease the central tenet of military service? Follow orders. Present yourself as a professional member of the military. No bone jumping.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | December 9, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

All the naysayers are very vocal about male homosexuals, but are eerily silent with respect to female homosexuality. What up with that?

Posted by: johng1 | December 9, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

DADT and Defense Authorization
Unemployment benefits
Social Security stipend in lieu of COLA
The DREAM Act
Police and Firefighters' Collective Bargaining
9/11 Responders Health Benefits

Mitch McConnell: "All 42 Republican Senators have signed a letter vowing to not allow ANY legislation to move forward until the Bush taxes are extended."

Dec. 31 marks the end of the 111th Congress. 21 days. The clock is ticking. Time is running out.

Posted by: jade_7243 | December 9, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

ISWEDE, my brother served in the US Army for 31 years and never had a problem serving with anyone gay or straight. He knew several gays that served quietly and never bothered to turn them in because they didn their jobs. He wasn't afraid because his sexuality was secure. Your hysterical rant makes me wonder if you are hiding something.

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

NoDonkey:

You are off message.

And women and minorities make 75% or less of what others make as a rule so how cushy a job is that?

Posted by: hakafos44 | December 9, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

While I think gays and lesbians should have the same rights as straights but when you talk about being in an environment where they would be exposed to naked members of the same sex that's where I have a problem.

In this country we allow female reporters into mens locker rooms where they are exposed to naked men. No one seems to have a problem with that but there is no sport that allows men into female locker rooms when there is a chance of seeing women in the buff. I guess women, unlike men, are able to control themselves. If a man is exposed to a naked female and can't be expected to control himself why is it that a gay man can be exposed to nude men and expected to be able to control himself? Don't gay men look upon men the same way straight men look upon women? Or are gay men different?

Posted by: Jimof1913 | December 9, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse


Silly Dims, just like I said would happen, newly-elected Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) voted against repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. Newly-elected Republican Mark Kirk (R-IL) who took Barry's old senate seat away from the Dims, also voted against. Lisa Murkowski who the leftist WaPo hacks tried to pretend was "in play", voted AGAINST.

It was a bipartisan vote AGAINST repeal.

39 Republicans and 1 Dim voted against repeal and the other 3 Republicans did not vote. They did not need to.

Nothing personal Dims, it is a matter of the votes. Does Barry have the votes? No.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

SSDD.

Boycott military service until DADA goes away. Let the GOP, et al, suck wind in their oil wars.

Posted by: 809212876 | December 9, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

In order to have an opinion on anything that has to do with our military, one should have to serve a minimum enlistment. Otherwise, you have no idea how it REALLY is.

Posted by: 1whosserved | December 9, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah!! And Merry Christmas to All.

Posted by: nicholjo1 | December 9, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Treating the military like a corporation is wrong....it is NOT a corporation. At the end of a military day at work, you might just adjourn to cramp living quarters and shower facilities. In corporate America, you'll return home to your respective life styles and it works just fine. The military should not be treated like a corporation....next up, unions and strikes...think about it.

Posted by: powerange | December 9, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The Senate is such a dump. CHANGE THE STUPID RULE. 51 is a majority, not 60. CHANGE THE RULE.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | December 9, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

gay men are diff then hetero men. Gay men can shower with there sexual preference and "turn off there feelings"..hence the gay men line "Just because yr naked in the shower with me, nothing crosses my mind so you shoudnt flatter yrself"...but what happens when a hetero male enters a shower full of women and tries that line ?? gay men are special and deserve special rights. And if you think otherwise yr a closed minded bigot.

When talking gay rights, keep it in glowing terms "equality" "jusice"...never talk reality or details.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | December 9, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

We're F'ed once again by insecure straight white males. What else is new?

Posted by: d-robertson | December 9, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Well Jimof1913, Joseph A. Rehyansky a magistrate has been quoted by The Daily Caller as saying that men are rapists by nature among other stupid quotes so that could be why. He also said that lesbians should be allowed to serve so that male soldiers could have a chance to straighten them out with corrective rape. Sorry but that would confirm their lesbianism and possibly turn a straight woman gay.

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I am not shocked. If they won't pass health care assistance for 9/11 first responders who are dying in a number of cases as a direct result of their bravery, what can you expect?

Words fail me....

Posted by: hakafos44 | December 9, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

who cares.....it will be taken up next week or next year with the new crew.

the single most important bill that must be introduced is the "Compromise Bill".

and Senate goes on Xmas vacation on the 17th. That's one week folks. Not enough time to take into consideration all they want to. DREAM got voted down, Don't Ask Don't Tell got voted down. And if the START legislation is to be introduced, it will not get 60 votes either.

There's only thing on the mind of the Senate reps and House reps....

the compromise.

Posted by: TheBabeNemo | December 9, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Gays are in the military! They've always been in the military! DADT is idiocy.

Posted by: Rachelva | December 9, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are determined to do anything the can to deny Obama and the Democrats a win on anything. The courts should end the DADT policy ASAP. The policy is unconstitutional, and the GOP will still not repeal it. LET THE COURTS DO IT.

And no, screwjob23, the vote was not bipartisan...it was very partisan.

Posted by: ptgrunner | December 9, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm just out of words. Disgusted and appalled doesn't cover it. I'm truly ashamed of this country. What's even more shameful is that these men and women are willing to die for a country that treats them this way whilst ~god fearing conservatives~ mostly sit around on their arses and listen to a bloated drug addict draftdodger (Limbaugh) for their marching orders. F*ck them.

Posted by: DrainYou | December 9, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse


Silly Dims, by all means try and change the precedence of motions rule XXII in the Senate. Ending a debate on a regular motion requires a three-fifths majority vote in the Senate; ending debate on a proposal to amend Senate rules requires a two-thirds majority vote.

Also see rule V SUSPENSION AND AMENDMENT OF THE RULES:

"The rules of the Senate shall continue from one Congress to the next Congress unless they are changed as provided in these rules."

Good luck coming up with the 2/3 majority needed to amend the filibuster rule.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Replying to: "It was a bipartisan vote AGAINST repeal. 39 Republicans and 1 Dim voted against repeal and the other 3 Republicans did not vote. They did not need to. ... Screwjob"

So having one member of the other party with you is enough to make a vote bipartisan (?!) Wow! All I can say is that here in the REAL world, most of us would consider that a textbook party-line vote.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | December 9, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"A majority of Senators and the population of the country is against extending the tax cuts for the rich."
The question should then be asked; Are you willing to lose your job for the sake of raising the taxes on the rich?
The rich 5% earners who average 160k a year pay about 60% of the income tax bill. the other 95% pay only 40% of the tax bill. If you increase expense on the employer to a higher level of tax they will have to make cuts somewhere and the first place is your job!
On gays in the military; They are already serving in the military and should not be treated any different then others. If you are hetero sexual you can openly serve. Why should it be any different for gays? They put their lives on the line like there straight counterparts. They should be afforded the same rights and not have to hide who they are. Other countries allow for open gay enrollment in the armed forces. They have no problems in their military as a result of the open gay policies. Why should we be any different from others. It is time to get into this century and out of the cave. They should be able to serve openly.

Posted by: lostsite | December 9, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

SSDD. Current Senate rules condemn us to eternal gridlock, i.e., a slow suicide for America. We're all toast.

Posted by: 809212876 | December 9, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Dear Members of the U. S. Armed Forces:

We the conservative part of America appreciate your service - such that it is - but consider you inferior in professionalism and ability than the services of Albania, Australia, Austria, Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Columbia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Phillipines, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, Bermuda and Uruguay.

They were somehow able to make this work (many of them years ago), but we don't think you are professional enough to hack it.

Sincerely,

America's Fundamentalist Conservatives

Posted by: B2O2 | December 9, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, at some point you are going to have to take the old man home, thankfully his government healthcare will save your spending of thousands of dollars.

Posted by: JillCalifornia | December 9, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it pathetic that a certain number of Senators think it's perfectly OK for gays to put their lives on the line for everyone in the country but then deny them the right to even identify themselves as who they are. It is a pathetic and cowardly group who has blocked this important issue. What are they afraid of?

Posted by: johnhouse | December 9, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

we _so_ need the line item veto...

Posted by: shabbyreader | December 9, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

What world are these Senators living in when they're in favor of discrimination and won't lift a finger or cast a vote to stop it? They'll wave the American flag with one hand while using the other to show the door to gay citizens who want to serve the nation! Their refusal to do away with DADT is both shameful and irresponsible.

Posted by: jaynashvil | December 9, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

It would simply be too expensive.

Women in the military have areas where they can get away from the advances of men, men have areas where they can get away from the wiles of women. There would have to be areas where both men and women who are straight could get away from the advances of gays and lesbians.

Any young military guy (don't know how it is for the women) who has spent any time in one of our cities where the gay population is high understands this.

Posted by: kcooper35 | December 9, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse


Yes Dims, Barry the incompetent boob Obama is a weak sister of a president. That goes without saying.

But even if Barry a real Man Of Action instead of a soft femme, Barry the inept bungler still could not repeal DADT with an executive order. Only Congress can repeal a law passed by Congress.

As for who has the constitutional authority "To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces" that would be ... Congress. See Article I Section 8.

Congress, not Barry.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for letting the courts ram it down their throats.

Don't even try to do in in a measured, reasonable way. They have lessons to learn as much as the president does on other matters. They have a hard time learning. Looks like the president does, too.

When are people going to wake up - you cannot deal with these people, they have to be slapped up side the head to get past their "principles".

Let the courts do the slapping.

Posted by: edismae | December 9, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the senate republicans prove they are nothing more than a self-centered, corrupt gang of thugs and an impediment to the government of We The People.

Their actions are despicable -- the sort of actions that usually only occur in dictatorships and faux 'peoples republics' like China.

These republicans-in-name-only -- so called 'United States Senators' -- are nothing more than traitors engaged in subterfuge to thwart the majority will of the public. As such, they are self-serving scum.

.

Posted by: Frank57 | December 9, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse


DEMOCRACY IS NOT A SUICIDE PACT

The system is working as the founders designed it. Populations can be reasonable in one season, and practically insane in the next. Welcome to American homosexual insanity. When the herd is being driven over the cliff of self-destruction, called by trumpets driven by the very lips of Satan himself, as it was in this case, the Senate was designed to slow things down. And they slowed things down. Democracy is not a suicide pact you know.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 9, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

America needs to stop playing games with its future; for in a universe where there are more galaxies than there are people, we are not special, nor "exceptional", just people operating beneath the sophistication of our political system and its unlimited potential. It's just sad that so many people, with advanced education, and economic means, are just as lost as a "crack head" in the business of selling "rocks"!

Posted by: D-0f-G | December 9, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Score one more for the party of "NO!" What a bunch of bigots.

Posted by: paul6554 | December 9, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh please kcooper35 it is no problem. All you have to do is say 'no thanks, not interested'. I've said it myself to a few lesbians, it's not that hard to do and most gays don't even bother approaching straight people. Most other countries are able to deal with it just fine. Are you saying US soldiers are less then they are?

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

It would be more honest if the Post's headline was "Senate Republicans Block Repeal Of DADT". It was not the "Senate", but the misleading headline is SOP for the Post.

Posted by: jmfromdc | December 9, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

A sad day for the heterophobes, LMAO!

Posted by: TonyRezko | December 9, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Considering the sheer amount of ignorant vitriol pouring out of the "tea Party" right wing neo-fascists the response to this has been fairly measured. BTW bodygrinder: You are a disgrace to the uniform and probably just a delusional self hating queer deep down.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't you love the way "bodygrinder" (interesting name, full of sublimated issues perhaps) and other Taliban types here cite a 2,000-year-old book in which "the Lord" commands parents to stone their misbehaving kids to death as "evidence" that homosexuality is immoral?

If American "Christians" didn't exist and someone created them as characters in a movie, no producer would accept the script. They are just too cartoonish and it would be unbelievable that anyone could be that moronic for real. But, here we are. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: B2O2 | December 9, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse


Dem Clinton policy

Dem House

Dem Senate

Dem "president"

Posted by: Nobama__in___2012 | December 9, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Gee, I wonder what it's like to be a gay soldier, risking your life for your country, only to have the Republican party slap you across the face.

Posted by: Ladyrantsalot | December 9, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

@illogicbuster | December 9, 2010 2:42 PM

I can't find ANY poll that supports your POV that most people support extending tax cuts for the wealthy. Every poll I can find tells the opposite story--most adults/most people support the ending of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.

The rest of your post is BS as well. A vote was taken today on whether a bill to end DADT should move forward. The Republicans voted solidly to oppose this. This is not a surprise and it has nothing to do with rushing the issue through Congress. The Republicans will never support ending DADT...at least not until their feet are held to the fire.

This is an old cultural battle that we should not be fighting anymore. The courts should end the DADT policy NOW.

Posted by: ptgrunner | December 9, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

McCain and his spineless clown brethren should all rot in a dark place with no sympathy. We ask no question of anyone who wants to serve, but would discriminate against them for being what some don't like. This action will result in the court system slamming DADT to the ground in one big thud and then McCain, et.al. will just have to shut the hell up. Our troops can handle it, but some lame senator can't, what a shame that a "hero" can't be as brave as a gay guy.

Posted by: ronjeske | December 9, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

This is incredible. More of doing nothing from our lame-duck government. What else are they going to not do anything about?
check out my blog for people who are fed up with the way things are going. 800feet.blogspot.com

Posted by: the_truth_is_getting_louder | December 9, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

The Senate doesn't give a crap about the will of the people who elected them to office. We should throw the bums out!

Wait a minute.... didn't we just go through that process?

Posted by: DeskJockey | December 9, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Heterosexuals retain the legal right to shield their bodies away from those who may become sexually attracted to them.

The senate has declined to extend "droit de seigneur" to gays and lesbians. Gays and lesbians do serve in the military, but they have no legal right to be in areas where heterosexuals sleep, bathe, and dress.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 9, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Quite right B202. That same book okays slavery provided they are not from your country (gee, I can go to Canada and bring back a slave)and says you have to be purified each time you have an ejaculation or menses, etc. Also says you can't eat food over 3 days old, eat any meat with blood in it sorry but blood is in the meat), have two or more crops in a field, that a raped woman is unfit for marriage and other stupid stuff like that. It also spends a horrendous amount of lines on how to do a burnt offering.

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Female and male soldiers do not live, shower and sleep in the same quarters because physiological reactions would cause difficulties. The same would occur if homosexuals served openly and that would cause serious problems. I served in the US Army in a small company which had two homosexuals. There were no problems. Why change a system that worked and works well?

Posted by: mhr614 | December 9, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Open homosexuals in the military? When we have cross-dressing drill sergeants I'll start betting on the Taliban

Posted by: twharvey1 | December 9, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the senate republicans prove they are nothing more than a self-centered, corrupt gang of thugs and an impediment to the government of We The People.

Their actions are despicable -- the sort of actions that usually only occur in dictatorships and faux 'peoples republics' like China.

These republicans-in-name-only -- so called 'United States Senators' -- are nothing more than traitors engaged in subterfuge to thwart the majority will of the public. As such, they are self-serving scum.

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Posted by: Frank57 | December 9, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

mhr614, your own statement is contradictory. You claim in one line that gay men would be a serious problem because of physiological reactions yet you also claim to have served in a small company with two gays without a problem.

Personally if you have a problem with someone having a physiological reaction then I think you have a problem you are hiding from yourself.

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

So....a dumb question. If it is so easy for the minority party to completely derail the majority party's agenda, then how come we blame Bush and the Republicans for the problems we now face? If the minority Republicans are so successful at stopping the Democrats, then don't the Democrats share equal blame for the problems of 8 yrs of Bush?

Posted by: geonerd20 | December 9, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of compromise the Republicans surrender NOTHING.

Posted by: jato11 | December 9, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't the Supreme Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces merely put forth an Executive Order to end the practice. Why is this so hard to do? It ends the issue bickering and frees up the Congress to work on other issues. The Pentagon, Military and majority of Americans want DADT ended, do it!

Posted by: MCunningham122 | December 9, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I am a life-long Registered Democrat.

But people who are criticizing the Senate for blocking repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, frankly, should emigrate out of the US. Go to Europe, please.

Homosexuals do not belong in the Armed Forces of the United States,...not at all. Yes, they are there serving now,. I know, BUT they should leave if they cannot bear the "awful burden" of keeping their proclivities private.

It is a privilege to serve in the military, not a right of citizenship alone. The Constitution gives homosexuals no right to flaunt their characteristic, disruptive, and dangerous behaviors.

I do not expect many Senators who have never served in the armed services to understand this basic point. They think military service is like working in the post office or a school library. It is not.

As far as Mullen and Gates supporting this,....they are just following orders from the President. They should have resigned rather than follow this order,...loyalty to the nation should always come before partisan loyalty.

This total nonsense being pushed by the left wing, homosexuality, etc., is part of the reason Democrats lost so badly at the polls in November. Their antics in this lame duck session are proof of their profound delusions.

And, I'll wager, the courts end up affirming the DADT policy. National Security, national survival, comes before the rights of any narrow sodomite fringe to bring his or her same sex friend to the office or base Christmas party.

reid and pelosi, and their far-leftist ilk, are completely crazy,...utterly out of their minds. I feel no respect for them at all. NONE.

Posted by: harlanx | December 9, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

No problem, keep all the gays out of the military, we'll keep sending all your kids to war instead.

Posted by: dworrell | December 9, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

This is not about gays in the military. Many, many servicemen and servicewomen in the military right now are gays. Anyone who thinks differently needs to be quickly and abruptly disabused of that false impression.

This is about everyone being honest about servicemen and servicewomen in the military who are gay. Clearly, being honest about gays in the military is something that the Army and Marine commanding officers and the Republican Senate prefer not to be.

So, we continue the game, and no one wins.

Posted by: Aramis1 | December 9, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

So as I'm reading this thing, the US military, in which I did once serve in wartime; is to remain the ONLY military in the whole, wide world where anyone cares whether it's girls or boys who turn you on... I thought what's important was making a contribution; or if you're lucky, at least seeing a legitimate democracy where there wasn't a chance. Circumstances are always changing but this "policy" is making this issue full of political fallout. Very, very divisive.

Posted by: j-seale | December 9, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ptgrunner: "I can't find ANY poll that supports your POV that most people support extending tax cuts for the wealthy."
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I can't help it if you can't follow a link and read...

Posted by: illogicbuster | December 9, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

The language is wrong!

How about getting rid of the ridiculous: "...to allow gays to serve openly in military."?

The repeal is NOT about openly displaying sexuality, be it homo or hetero. But, to bigots and the ignorant, of whom we have plenty, the term, "serve openly" means "act sexually."

Instead how about we use: "...to allow all soldiers to speak freely & honestly in response to questions about sexuality, if they wish."

In other words, "If asked, it's ok to tell."

Posted by: AIPACiswar | December 9, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

1/16th of 1%: That’s the number of active duty personnel that were discharged in 2009 because of matters surrounding the (DADT) policy. According to Marine Corps data there were only 78 discharges out of 203,095 active duty personnel for DADT matters. If this number is indicative of all the other military branches it means that less than one sixteenth of one percent of the military has been directly impacted by the policy.

So for the sake of one sixteenth of one percent of our military the whole country and the military have to stop to debate the merits of permitting homosexuals to serve openly in the military in a time of war? Obviously this is NOT the reason for the policy change. It is simply one more step in the attempt to legitimize what is a sinful and dangerous lifestyle.

Three times. That’s the degree of risk, extrapolated from the Pentagon’s own reports on sexual misconduct that presently exists in the military that you will be sexually assaulted by someone of your own sex. Does anyone really think taking the fear of discharge for homosexual conduct away will make the barracks and showers safer for our sons and daughters?

Eighteen. That’s the number of hearings that were held when DADT was first enacted. Why the hurry to push through such a dramatic change in policy? Has there been any new proof that “homosexualizing” our military will benefit our ability to defeat our enemies and see our soldiers come home alive? Shouldn’t that be the most important question we ought to be asking?

24%: That’s the number of military personnel who said they will leave the military or think about leaving sooner than planned.

89% The number of military personnel who could not say that having open homosexuality in the field or at sea would be positive or very positive.

95%: The number of military personnel that could not affirm that changing the policy will improve moral.

Would we ever implement any other policy in light of these numbers? Most adamantly not.

Posted by: lyn3 | December 9, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00270

Here's how each Senator voted. Start making phone calls!

Posted by: damascuspride04 | December 9, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is why gay's would want to go into the military... I mean I'm straight but I'd think about it if the military was 99% female. I think the military should be all about military and I can't see where sexual preference pivots in that.

Anyway it is over if Judge Sessions (R-AL) says it is. And when the new Congreffs takes over next month he may be right. That would include gay marriage. The Log Cabinites have spoken....

Posted by: WmLaney | December 9, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed that those who have never served a day feel that they should declare what is best for a military engaged in two wars.

I saw the claim that a survey indicated that the military had not problem with repeal. But I note that the "survey" of the military had low response rates from the combat arms branches: Army and the USMC. It had high response from DHS (USCG). The questions were biased toward repeal. The analysis did not account for its bias. It was a typical ruse of a survey with a predetermined outcome.

The new media and the White House want repeal, but they have no concept of the impact on recruitment, or on the impact on families with deployed members. Most worrisome will be the impact of a repeal on Henry V's concept of "Band of Brothers." You won't want to lead the group because you aren't going to be sure how or with what they will "cover your six."

Posted by: tomtqo | December 9, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

laurated, if yr so cool with people having a physiological reaction then i guess you woudnt mind sharing a shower w/men or how about a middle aged man leading a girl scout troop or coed showers and lockers in high school. There is a reason for limiting "physiological reactions". Its not a sexual free for all as gays seem to think it s/b. How about poligamy or incest ? cool with that ? or are limits only what you define limits to be. NAMBLA was just "love" between men and boys + a physiological reaction...what could be wrong with that ?

Posted by: snapplecat07 | December 9, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse


EXECUTIVE ORDER?

MCunningham122 asks, Why doesn't the Supreme Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces merely put forth an Executive Order to end the practice. Why is this so hard to do?”

The part of the policy that can be ended by executive order is what allows homosexuals to serve if they keep their sexual orientation to themselves. This is DOD policy, that enforces an atmosphere of respect for homosexuals, and non-pursuit in terms of the activities of DOD investigative and security services.

The underlying law, Title 10, Section 654 is what gives the military discharge authority over homosexuals that come out and identify themselves. It should be noted that Title 10, Section 654, embodies a no-tolerance spirit in relationship to homosexuals in military service. The law declares homosexuality to be incompatible with military service. This law can only be repealed through Congressional action.

As long as this law is on the books, the military leadership is duty-bound to obey it. If there is evidence that an individual is engaging in homosexual activity the law requires the discharge of that individual.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 9, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but shouldn't that headline be "GOP Blocks Vote on DADT"????

They're the ones obstructing - why can't the WAPO ever make that clear in their headlines? WHY???

Posted by: lcrider1 | December 9, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we need more perverts in the military like the one that just released all the secret docs because HIS LIFE WAS NOT GOING THE WAY HE WANTED.
Everyone who loveS homosexual acts, buggering, teabagging, deepthroating, now wants to do this in the military. So, are they going to dress off duty like the ones in SF, with leather, dog collars, bare asses, etc.?
Time for a code red.
Don't like conforming to the UCMJ, DON'T LIE AND JOIN THE MILITARY, THEN BLAME EVERYONE ELSE THAT YOU ARE LYING!

Posted by: pervleft | December 9, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

It's a sin.

Posted by: pervleft | December 9, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

wmlaney

if yr a hetero man and the military was 99% women and you all get to bunk/shower and live together...what straight man would not want to join ? remember when they allowed men into all women colleges ? those men were in heavan . Wonder if behind all that "service talk" gay men feel the same way, I suspect they do. Yeah hetero men went to all female colleges to learn...but the perks of 99% women were great.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | December 9, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

wmlaney

if yr a hetero man and the military was 99% women and you all get to bunk/shower and live together...what straight man would not want to join ? remember when they allowed men into all women colleges ? those men were in heavan . Wonder if behind all that "service talk" gay men feel the same way, I suspect they do. Yeah hetero men went to all female colleges to learn...but the perks of 99% women were great.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | December 9, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Congress. You have the American and most of the military behind you on this bill.

Posted by: tonyjm | December 9, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Congress. You have the American and most of the military behind you on this bill.

Posted by: tonyjm | December 9, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse


Use whatever words you like Dims: Joe Manchin (D-WV) voted on the GOP side, as I said would happen. Use whatever words you like to describe that, Dims: you still did not get the necessary 60 votes.

There is one more week to go in the lame duck session. One more week. Then there will be 5 more GOP senators seated, 5 fewer Dims, and of course Manchin will vote with the GOP on this one. If it ever gets to the Senate next year: first you have to get it through the House. Good luck with that.


Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Quote from Sen Reid:
"Discrimination has never served America well," he said, adding the policy known as "don't ask, don't tell" hurts morale."
/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And I'm just wondering....HOW does it hurt morale? Are Marines lying awake in their cots at night because they can't serve with gays? Are Navymen hesitating to re-enlist because gays aren't allowed to file their medical paperwork?

Harry Reid has NO idea what he is talking about (again).


Posted by: jimbob3 | December 9, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

With the suicides amongst, and heinous violence against the LGBT minority, the situation of politicans and pundits railing against them has to now be looked at seriously.

I am sure these bigots existed in previous eras, trying to oppress other minorities. It is time to single them out as fearmongers and instigators.

As the GOP apologist Bill O'Reilly once said of any journalist who dared challenge the Iraq invasion, "You'll be spotlighted"...

- Balkingpoints / www

Posted by: RField7 | December 9, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Reading the comments someof these people have posted makes me realize how idiotic some people are! Gays are no different than anyone else. And unlike some people I realize that just like a straight person gay people don't find everyone they see attractive and have the same exact impulse control as a straight person and wouldnt be discriminated against just because of some century old republicans belief that they will try to screw everyone in their barracks or platoons!

Posted by: observerofaction | December 9, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTED HEADLINE: Leftist House Passes Leftist Bill, Dies In Senate

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

lyn3: Where do you get your numbers? Are they reality based, or simply a part of the tea Party noise machine.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

snapple you are an idiot. A physiological reaction is just that. You don't have to do anything about it and if you have a problem with some guy's reaction when they make no effort to touch you then I think you have a problem...in your head. Insecre much?

Posted by: lauratd | December 9, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Quote from Sen Reid:
"Discrimination has never served America well," he said, adding the policy known as "don't ask, don't tell" hurts morale."
/>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And I'm just wondering....HOW does it hurt morale? Are Marines lying awake in their cots at night because they can't serve with gays? Are Navymen hesitating to re-enlist because gays aren't allowed to file their medical paperwork?

Harry Reid has NO idea what he is talking about (again).


Posted by: jimbob3 | December 9, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Lauratd, yr logic is non existent....so if you have a couple of guys in with a couple of women in the shower, why would anyone object to that ? if they keep there hands to themselves ? we all know why women object and why men woudnt be allowed in womens showers, regardless of "beauty /attractiveness" so why are gays so special ? its basic human nature ...gays are no different...gays keep saying that but they want to be treated "special"...no logic whatsover.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | December 9, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

So today the US Senate failed to move on DADT and immigration. They also said NYC 9-11 first responders would have to seek charity from the rich for their 9-11 medical injuries.

Great Nation. Good Job

And free meals for everyone from now on.

I'm proud of my country...now more than ever.

Palin 2012 Gingrich VP

Posted by: Maddogg | December 9, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

It would appear from reading most of the posts on this site that the majority of you have never served. As a Marine I can tell you that allowing the gays to serve openly will release a lot of hostility upon them, remember most of the Marines are 17-26 year olds living in close quarters. Those gays that want to go "queeny" in the ranks will probably spend most of their time in the hospital. I am quite sure that they will be encouraged to flaunt their sexuality by the activists that have be pushing for the change. The reality is that 68% of the combat troops do'nt want repeal. That should be the only vote that counts and not a bunch of DA'S that are not serving or are non-combat arms "rear Echelon". It not about being homophobic. The push for this has more to do with pushing the gay agenda thy the good of the service.

Posted by: sgtusmcvietvet | December 9, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

As a public service I would appreciate if you started listing names when you report these votes. The press obsesses on what the President should do or not do, but rarely actually gives names for votes. Maybe if you would start documenting this for people elections could be based on track records in voting, brought to you by your responsible Fourth Estate.

If readers had to see over and over and over again the actual pattern of systematic obstruction in the Senate, maybe they would become more informed voters. It seems many Senators are not afraid of shameless acts because they never face the consequences. It would be nice if the media stepped up to the plate here...

Posted by: pbkritek | December 9, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

lyn3 - You are ignorant bigoted scum.

Posted by: AIPACiswar | December 9, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

There is a whole lot issues more than just the gay person's 'job performance' to think about before any chance of repealing DADT can happen.
This issue has never been just about a gay person's job performance. If this was just about 'job performance' the gays would be content to serve in the military while maintaining their privacy about their sexual preference. Gays have turned this issue into a 'battlefield' to be 'won'.

There are all of the gay 'social' issues to consider, other issues such as housing assignments, healthcare issues, and maintaining safety, changes to military policy to guarantee fairness and equality to other soldiers. A new code of conduct would have to be developed.

Gays will not be content until they have destroyed the military's mission, our country's security and respectability among other nations. Gays also want to destroy respectable aspects of our society by forcing their aberrent lifestyle to become the dominant 'culture'.


Ending DADT, 'normalizing' gay "marriage" and gay 'civil unions' are not good changes to move the country 'forward'.....All they will do is cause further decline in society as a whole.

Posted by: momof20yo | December 9, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Re-start the draft for all men and women so the cowards can serve.

Vietnam Vet.

Posted by: knjincvc | December 9, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

sgtusmcvietvet - Your cretin bigot Marines don't run the military, we do. Just kick the little bigots out.

As for who gets beat up I've met a lot of gays who can kick any Marine up and down the street. You are an ignorant fool.

Posted by: AIPACiswar | December 9, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

sgtusmcvietvet: You are clueless and probably know no gay or lesbian people. You, and the rest of the knuckle draggers, are a disgrace to the American mind.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

There may, however, be hope that the rest of society will move on and leave the Senate behind. Kind of like how cannabis law is becoming - as long as no other harm is being done, no one will bother to prosecute.

Posted by: Capn0ok | December 9, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

sgtusmcvietvet: You are clueless and probably know no gay or lesbian people. You, and the rest of the knuckle draggers, are a disgrace to the American mind.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

There may, however, be hope that the rest of society will move on and leave the Senate behind. Kind of like how cannabis law is becoming - as long as no other harm is being done, no one will bother to prosecute.

Posted by: Capn0ok | December 9, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

AIPACiswar, right on. My brother and I, and a friend, were in GT many years ago on Halloween night and nearly killed a marine who broke my bro's leg while he was peeing in an alley. We still don't know why he attacked him. The only reason that basterd is still alive is because I had to pull the other guy off of his as he was smashing his face with his bloodied fists.

Posted by: johng1 | December 9, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse


Last year the Supreme Court refused to hear a case challenging the constiutional basis of the Don't Ask Don’t Tell law. The Court's reasoning was that the Constitution grants the power to regulate the military to Congress.

There is no constitutional right to serve in the military.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse


Last year the Supreme Court refused to hear a case challenging the constitutional basis of the Don't Ask Don’t Tell law. The Court's reasoning was that the Constitution grants the power to regulate the military to Congress.

There is no constitutional right to serve in the military.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

If they can extend tax cuts for gay millionaires, they ought to be able to allow gay soldiers.

Posted by: AlanGoldberg54 | December 9, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

screwjob23: There are no second class citizens in the United States, despite what you Tea Party thugs seem to think.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm totally ASHAMED of my country. Now more than ever.

As usual Obama will cave in and not issue an executive order banning DADT.

The guy is a liar pig.

Posted by: Maddogg | December 9, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

srewjob and his dimwitted friends are an example of what reason and fairness are up against. Let's once again blame the majority for not garnering the votes to win. We have come to assume that Republicans will oppose anything that might help Obama. OK. They will. But there is more on this blog criticizing the Dems than criticizing the true Neanderthals.

Posted by: tradeczar | December 9, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The only reason gays want to 'serve openly' in the military is to 'serve' their own agenda.
If this was just about 'job performance', their sexual preference would NEVER be considered. Gays have purposely brought their sexuality into a workplace where sexuality isn't welcome. Once you put on that uniform, you are a soldier. Not a 'gay' soldier, not a 'straight' soldier. Your job is to protect your country, not to force your personal sexual agenda upon others. So shut up about ending DADT, gays.

Posted by: momof20yo | December 9, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Maddog: An Executive order can't change the fundamental law that Bans homosexuals. Only Congress can change this. You are as badly misinformed about the constitution as the Tea Party types if you think otherwise.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

And just who is the "we" in your statement of we run the military? I amsorry are you a general? President? Anything like that? Then you run nothing but your own world. I am in the Air Force and you forget or probably never knew because you have not served, that the military is not just like the rest of the world. You can't just leave because you don't like the way something is going. You are stuck, the military has lots of rules and laws that in the outside world that no one would even think about getting in trouble for. If this passes it needs to go slow or bad things can happen. Yes there will be some that flaunt their sexuality cause they want to make a statement which will cause problems. People signed up knowing certain facts are true. Changing the facts should automatically give people the option to stay or go and a severance to go since some were planning on making the military a career under these rules. By you saying kick the bigots out it is clear that it is not about manpower or being able to do the job to you. It is about making a statement. If it were about manpower and doing a good job then kicking these people out is the same as keeping gays from openly serving.

Posted by: Gunnerb52 | December 9, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

1) The left cares not at all about access to the military they publicly despise

2) "Gays" in the military is to undercut the institution
...(just like Iraq was the wrong war and Afghanistan was the 'right' war to the left when Bush was in office, today Afghanistan is less loved by the left.....)

3) Homosexuality is as biologically normal as pedophilia or necrophilia.

4) Homosexuality was rightly classed as a mental illness until a 3 to 2 vote by the governing body of American psychiatry in the early 1970's at a convention where no papers on related topics were presented...a "global warming" bit of political science...


In short, homosexuals in the military is a divisive straw-man assault by the left.

Posted by: georgedixon1 | December 9, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

momof20yo: You shut up. If a soldier is a soldier or a sailor a sailor or a marine is a marine then they should be able to do so openly as who they are. Your logic is twisted.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Typical reponses from typical liberals who know little of reality. I do by the way know several gay and lesbian couple and singles and most of them agree that flaunting sexuality in the ranks would be bad news, several of them have served and one I have known since I pulled him out of the rubble after a rocket attack in Nam, he even wrote a book about being gay in the Marine Corps. You and people like you are generally just to rabid to listen to any opinon other then you own.

Posted by: sgtusmcvietvet | December 9, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

The wikileak document thief : Gay US Soldier

A Gay in the Military Jail at the moment

Posted by: georgedixon1 | December 9, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I am grateful to the Republicans for sticking to their guns. As a Marine veteran of the Korean War [1951-52],and a fifty-three week fox-hole dweller, I would not want to dig-in with a homosexual. Ending DADT will empty combat units of real men and replace them with--whatever.

Posted by: Forward11 | December 9, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

sgtusmcvietve: There is a difference between being open, and flaunting anything. To bad you and your friend don't see it that way. It's also to bad that you would continue the dishonor tot eh uniform that DADT demands of those who wish to serve their country.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Also to the comments that gays are just like straights in relation to not wanting to screw every guy/girl they see and are not attracted to every guy/girl they see. Are you saying straight people want to screw every person they see of the opposite sex? They find all of them attractive? No they don't yet we seperate males and females still just in case. So if we seperate males and females why not seperate gays? Are they different or are they the same as straight people with the same urges and control? Can't have it both ways. Either they are the same or not.

Posted by: Gunnerb52 | December 9, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Dishonor the uniform, U really are a nut case. You know nothing of honor or sacrifice unless you have worn the uniform yourself, which I highly doubt. If you did, then it is you who bring dishonor to yourself for even making such a comment.

Posted by: sgtusmcvietvet | December 9, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I suffer from a medical condition that made me ineligible to serve. My family, however is full of decorated, honored veterans. Most of them think you are full of it. I do understand honor, and the dishonor of forcing people to lie in order to serve. Then again, they served in your Senior Service and tend to hold "floating bellhops" in low esteem. Until now, I tended to not believe them. Thank you for setting me strait.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Some of these people want to have it both ways. Brown from Massachusetts claims to be for the bill but voted against it in the cloture vote. The same for a Senator from Alaska. And a new Senator claims he is for repeal but he hasn't had time to talk to the people in his state.

Hey folks, this is the Senate here. You're either for it or against it. A cloture vote kills a bill just as much as a No vote on the bill. Quit trying to fool us. Just say what you really believe and let the votes fall where they may.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | December 9, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The system is working as the founders designed it.

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Did the Founders expect a two party system, really?

Posted by: sr31 | December 9, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I doubt you have any relitives that served or they probably pay little attention to you because you just downright disgusting and a waste of time since you lack all reason.

Posted by: sgtusmcvietvet | December 9, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if friarjohn was trying to make sense. So are you saying that people who do drugs and lie about it should be ok also? You brought up the lying to be able to serve. Both options are illegal under the UMCJ. Both you have to lie about to serve. So where do we draw the line at letting people do what they want in the military? Some drugs are not allowed to be used in the military yet they is nothing wrong with using them on the outside world

Posted by: Gunnerb52 | December 9, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Americans believe in freedoms and liberties until put to the test. Apparently, if they do not like an individual or a group, such as homosexuals, then their behaviour suggests that the rights of these minorities should be ignored or suspended.

In part, this is based on 'approval' and 'disapproval' of minority individuals and the groups to which they belong. Those that meet with disapproval have diminished rights.

Although there are strong arguments supporting the separation of Church and State many Americans want exceptions to those ideas. Although the Constitution does not distinguish between people who are heterosexual and those who are homosexual many Americans ('I believe in the Constitution') believe in discrimination and they will ignore the Constitution and the protection of individuals and the concept of equal treatment if it goes against the outcomes that they prefer.

America has many great thinkers of which it can be proud and who are admired by Americans and the rest of the world. It also has its fair share of bigots and many of them seek election to the Congress.

Until principle and the rule of law are allowed to prevail over sentiment society will remain mean spirited and abusive.

Posted by: robertjames1 | December 9, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

sgtusmcvietvet: I lack all reason? I've said anything unreasonable. I simply disagree with you and think you are not only wrong, but sadly so. As for the rest of what you say, you only demean yourself further by assuming that you represent anything but the mind of one biggoted little marine.

Gunnerb52: You comparison is so puerile and vapid I can only assume that you too served in the Junior Branch of the Navy.

Posted by: friarjohn00 | December 9, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

If the minorities always got their way Aryan Nations would have all non whites back as slaves or killed. If Minorities have their way their would be no religion. Sometimes minorities have to stay minorities to keep the world running.

Posted by: Gunnerb52 | December 9, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

There is that infamous right-wing hate-and-fear agenda in full play.

We should all feel safe with the regressive anarchists out to save us from... anyonew who doesn't agree with them and willing to roll over and spread 'em.

Posted by: BigTrees | December 9, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I sure would hate to be stuck in a foxhole with a scripture spouting Bible thumper who just won't let up about bringing me around to his way of life.

Posted by: Capn0ok | December 9, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

you just do what you are told dkhead

Posted by: johng1 | December 9, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

wmlaney

if yr a hetero man and the military was 99% women and you all get to bunk/shower and live together...what straight man would not want to join ? remember when they allowed men into all women colleges ? those men were in heavan . Wonder if behind all that "service talk" gay men feel the same way, I suspect they do. Yeah hetero men went to all female colleges to learn...but the perks of 99% women were great.

Posted by: snapplecat07 | December 9, 2010 7:02 PM

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My reptilian CPU would urge me NOT to join the military as it is like an all boy's school. Who'd WANT that? Not natural. All this horse dookey about serving your country through killing brown people is also troubling. I suspect most are looking for adventure, a career or an extension of high school football. Maybe it is subliminal homoerotic. But for me, I hated gym class.. I hated jock straps and sweaty dudes. I refused to be humped by wrestlers. But I was a champion motor crosser... always lots of babes at the track, especially if you won.

Posted by: WmLaney | December 9, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

First, kcooper35 said separate facilities would be needed due to "advances" made by gay or lesbian service members. If unwelcome advances are made by ANY service member toward any other service member, there are existing laws against that. Use them.
Second, politics should end the night of the election.
Third, our Senators are NOT doing the job we generously pay them to do, which is to legislate for the best interests of the American people. They are shamefully neglecting their primary responsibility. This is unconscionable! Pass it and be done with it!

Posted by: shayladane | December 9, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Discrimination is permitted and condoned in the military....if you are blind, please don't try to join up; if you are missing a finger, you need not apply; if you are too heavy, not in this military; too short, too tall, no way. These "discriminations" have been going on forever and for good reasons. A VERY recent change is permitting those wounded in action to remain on active duty if THEY want to...that's a good change. So, openly serving gays have been discriminated against as well....the latest report said it all, "Troops in Combat situations favor leaving the current DADT system in place by a 2-1 margin." And that's what matters.

Posted by: powerange | December 9, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Part of the problem with getting anything passed is there is so much crap attached to it that you can't just vote on the one subject. Each seperate issue should be voted on independant of each other. Then you would get a clear idea of who is doing or not doing their job.

Shayladane and who said repealing the don't ask don't tell is in the best interests of the American people. Each side has their own experts that say the exact opposite of each other.

I think that the best interests are the ones it directly affects right now. Let the ones signed up right now vote. Then you will see if the majority truly wants it. Which I believe they do not. Most of the people that talk around the tables do not want it.

They can make a survey mandatory, they have done it before then we shall see what the voices say.

Posted by: Gunnerb52 | December 9, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse


Barry the inept bungler issuing "a stop loss order" to force homos to stay in the service? O what a crock. The wishful thinking by leftists has now gone from the ridiculous to the sublime.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

WHile it is a disgrace that there are 40 republicon bigots that part is not really shocking. What IS shocking is that somethihg that passes 57 to 40 is considered a loss in the senate as long as there are 40 republicons there marching in KKK like jackbooted unison screaming no no no and shafting the American people, our nation's security, and our Constitution.

The Democratic tax propsal won 53 36 and 53 37 last week too, but the hostage taking terrorists in the gop maintain that 60 is the minimum to move any piece of legislation.

Clear majorities voting in favor is no longer sufficient in the insane world of republicon oligarchy.

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Posted by: abulaw | December 9, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

By now, it should be plainly obvious to all that Congressional Republicans do not care about anything except the welfare of the wealthy, which of course includes themselves. They could care less about civil rights or anything that doesn't increase their wealth. They will sacrifice the civil rights of an entire group of citizens in order to ensure that their tax cuts remain secure .... "as all Republicans except Collins held firm on a vow to block any legislation that does not address tax cuts or government spending." What in the world does this vote have to do with any financial issues at all?

All this reveals is that the Republicans in Congress are evil, evil, evil beyond redemption. It is time that we cast them out of the temple, they are no better than the money changers that Christ cast out. Republican as a group have shown themselves to be without souls, without compassion, without humanity. The so-called "Christian" preachers that advocate Republican candidates and Republican ideology are just as evil. Unfortunately, God did not engineer a way for these loons to pay for their sins before they go to heaven, which means that the world has to suffer for their sins.

Posted by: Chagasman | December 9, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Republicans: the modern leaders of the Children of the Corn; subservient to their wealthy keepers; known to hang out in bathroom stalls.

Posted by: johng1 | December 9, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Come on guys! Let's give the Republicans some credit for standing up for their principals. That a sign of courage and honor if if I don't agree with their position. That's more than I can say about President Obama and a lot of Democrats who seem to push principals aside in lieu political compromise.
That might sound good but it only leads to a bad outcome and leaving people like myself confused and frustrated, realizing that all the blabber about "change we can believe in" was just that; blabber.

Posted by: inewsmaster | December 9, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse


Attention Dims

1. Read your Constitution:

"Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings,"

2. Now read Senate Rule XXI

"Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?" And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn -- except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting -- then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of."

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 9, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear Congress: I shall fire you all and replace you with a Congress that WILL do things MY way.

Regards,

Alexis Carrington Colby

Posted by: trambusto | December 10, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Oh wow, this really does make a lot of sense wow.

www.being-anon.us.tc

Posted by: clermontpc | December 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

LOL, that just doesnt make any sense at all dude. Seriously.

www.being-anon.us.tc

Posted by: clermontpc | December 10, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Do a search: The First Scandal.

Posted by: roberthagedorn1 | December 10, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I am so glad that the Senate is stalled on this. The new Commandant of the Marine Corps has recognized that this repeal of DADT will have deleteriuos effects on the combat arms and he has said so. Gates and Mullen lack the spine to stick up for our military and, instead, go treasonously over to the side of the liberal left and the activist gays. They have effectively surrendered the trust given to them to protect the military from partisan politics. There is no room for politics affecting the military and especially so in time of war.

I can remember no President - ever - who used the US military as pawns to his political supporters. I detest him for that.

President Obama, with not a single day of miltary service, which in itself is contemptable, made thoughtless and selfish campaign promises which he determined necessary in order to garner every possible vote and ingratiated himself to a vocal minority by promising to end DADT without giving a bit of thought as to the consequences. He offered up the United States military as a tidbit to assuage their selfish demands, mostly the effected ground troops of the Army and Marines as hostages to gay activists who promised their vote and pain if he did not bow to their unsavory,detestable demands.

Now, at a time when our military is as heavily engaged as it has been for more
than forty years, at a time when individual troops are ordered to repeated
deployments to the war zones, now in a time of military uncertainty and maximum
commitment, is the wrong time for our politicians to advocate for a social
engineering experiment by endorsing an end to the current don't ask, don't tell
policy.

Neither the president nor an overwhelming preponderance of those in Congress
have served a single day in our country's military. For them now to pander to a
vocal minority seeking a liberal interpretation of society's rules is disturbing and quite revealing as to the total lack of any consideration of the residual effects of their actions.

To politicize our military in a time of war is as incredibly contemptible as it is indisputably ignorant of the military as an institution, a separate and distinct body tasked with the most crucial tasks of
defending our nation in a time of war.

To our politicians I say: Tinker with the civilian world if you must; do not
impose your liberal agenda on America's military for the purpose of vote
gathering.

Are there gays in our military? Certainly and always has been. "Don't ask, don't
tell!"

You can read my complete article here:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5815772/dont_ask_dont_tell_and_the_foll
y_of.html?cat=9

Maj. D Copson, USMC (ret)

Posted by: denniscopson | December 14, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

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