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Posted at 10:45 AM ET, 12/20/2010

'Don't ask, don't tell' repealed: What's next?

By Ed O'Keefe and Craig Whitlock

Updated 2:24 p.m. ET
President Obama will sign the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" on Wednesday, according to the White House.

The Obama administration hasn't said how long that process might take, but White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday he didn't expect the process to be "overly burdensome."

As military leaders prepare for the full integration of gay and lesbian troops into their services following the repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell law," they plan to draw on the detailed conclusions of a Pentagon study that outlines the tricky scenarios that might arise.

Among the hypothetical scenarios in the report: A chaplain's sermon includes several direct statements calling homosexuality a sin. A junior officer complains she was denied entry into a school because she is a lesbian. An applicant informs recruiters that he is gay. Troops are heard making jokes about using the same showers as gay colleagues.

Some commanders opposed to the repeal have warned that such incidents are the sort of unwanted dangerous, if not deadly distractions that could hamper the military's ability to fight two wars. But the more than 300-page report provides potential solutions to each, and reminds commanders that such issues should be treated no differently than other incidents of harassment, racism, sexism or discrimination.

The sermons and teachings of the concerned chaplain could not be restricted, unless he publicly maligns military leaders, the report said. The junior officer should work her complaints up the chain of command. The applicant who shares his sexual orientation should be handled like any other recruit. Commanders should remind the joking troops that discrimination or harassment against gay colleagues is inappropriate, but could grant a service member's request not to shower among them.

Full repeal of "don't ask, don't tell," "will not happen immediately," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton A. Schwartz warned airmen Sunday.

"The standards of conduct we expect of all Airmen will not change," Schwartz said in an e-mail sent Sunday night. "Moreover, we will continue to treat each other, as members of the Air Force family, with dignity and respect."

Successfully implementing the changes "will depend upon strong leadership, a clear message and proactive education throughout the force," Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said after Saturday's historic Senate vote. "With a continued and sustained commitment to core values of leadership, professionalism and respect for all, I am convinced that the U.S. military can successfully accommodate and implement this change, as it has others in history."

The change in policy will not occur until President Obama, Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen inform Congress in writing that the military is prepared to do and has drafted the necessary policies and regulations. Those changes must not impact troop readiness, cohesion or military recruitment and retention, according to the law passed last weekend. Once the written notice is submitted, 60 days must elapse before "don't ask, don't tell" is officially repealed.

White House and Pentagon officials would not set a specific timetable and stressed the change will occur only after Gates and Mullen believe the military is ready to end enforcement. Clifford L. Stanley, the undersecretary of defense for personnel, will lead the policy overhaul, Gates said.

Gay-rights leaders who pushed to end "don't ask, don't tell" believe the military could end full enforcement of the law in a matter of weeks.

"The troops already know how to interact with gays because they do so every day," said Aaron Belkin, executive director of the Palm Center, a University of California Santa Barbara think tank devoted to the study of gays in the military.

The Pentagon's report on implementing the change "can be boiled down to just two things: strong leadership and simple rules," Belkin said. "This really isn't rocket science."

Frank Barrett, a professor of management and organizational behavior at the Naval Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif., predicted that the military will move quickly to implement the new law, but that the ease of doing so will vary widely among the different branches.

"The real challenge of repealing 'don't ask, don't tell' is that it challenges the warrior ethos, what it means to be a warrior," Barrett said. Warriors, he said, forge a "bonding love" during combat and preparation for war. The question that arises, he said: Can individuals who are personally uncomfortable with gays continue to form those close warrior bonds with openly gay troops?

"The Marines are going to have the hardest time, and the Air Force is going to have the easiest time," he said. "The Air Force doesn't do eye-to-eye combat. But Marines, they are close knit in close quarters, and the identity of hyper-masculinity is so core to their mission."

According to the Pentagon study, about 40 percent of the Marine Corps opposed to or concerned with the possibility of serving alongside openly gay colleagues. Gen. James F. Amos, the Marine Corps commandant, has suggested that allowing gays to serve openly in the military could result in deadly distractions.

Despite his concerns, Amos said Sunday that Marines "will step out smartly to faithfully implement this new policy."

"Fidelity is the essence of the United States Marine Corps. Above all else, we are loyal to the Constitution, our Commander in Chief, Congress, our Chain of Command, and the American people," Amos said.

The more difficult issue may be the full acceptance of gays and lesbians across the forces, Barrett said, noting that women still face a gender bias on Naval combat ships, 17 years after Congress repealed the ban on women doing so.

"There will be plenty more skirmishes on this issue. This issue has been full of them," said Fred Sainz, vice president of the Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group close to the Obama administration and congressional Democrats. " We won't agree with everything the Pentagon has to say, as well we shouldn't."

Among many Army officers the news of the law's repeal yielded more of a shrug than celebration or outrage.

"The talk among most of my soldiers is, 'We don't care,'" said one Army officer at Fort Stewart, Ga. "The perception has been for a while that this is a done deal and is going to happen sooner or later."

Most officers said that the repeal of the law would at least bring some clarity to the murky situation surrounding the law, which since the fall has been the subject of both legal court rulings and legislative battles. One officer who recently went through a pre-command course to prepare him to lead a combat arms battalion said the possibility of ending the law barely came up during his several weeks of courses.

"Culturally it will be okay -- especially with the younger soldiers," the officer said. His and many others biggest worry was that the Pentagon would overreact if there are perceived problems in a unit and institute some form of military-wide training. "My biggest concern is how stupid the bureaucracy gets if something happens," the officer said. He and other officers were granted anonymity because they are not authorized to speak for the record.

Staff writer Greg Jaffe contributed to this report

By Ed O'Keefe and Craig Whitlock  | December 20, 2010; 10:45 AM ET
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are you kidding me... the best that obama can do is revoke dont ask dont tell. seems like the economy is a bit more important.

Posted by: jbob3 | December 20, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

John McCain...the most ignorant man in government. Maybe he'll catch his death cold.

Posted by: tuttlegroup | December 20, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse


Next the screamers will be suing when they get passed over for promotions because they are unqualified.

You can also look forward to undeserving gays being given commands just to have a "first" like the first openly gay captain of a destroyer. We shall see.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 20, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Great article outlining some of the pitfalls. I support the repeal as far as I think anyone who wants to serve our country should be able to, the problem is this is a logistical question, not a discrimination question. How exactly do they treat these 2 new gender groups logistically? Personally, if I were a lady and were forced to bunk and shower with men, I would sue for sexual harassment. By that same standard, men should be able to sue for being forced to bunk and shower with homosexual men, and vice versa. Having done plenty of theater work, having many homosexual friends (no I am not homophobic and am fully capable of politely turning down advances), I can tell you I would have been much more comfortable in a dressing room with the ladies. Do we respect our servicemen enough to come up with a logistical solution to not put them in that situation?

Posted by: kormathaw | December 20, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Now you can stop spamming your own blog and enlist.

Posted by: getjiggly1 | December 20, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse


Kiss the START treaty goodbye the Dims have proven more interested in letting in open screamers in the armed forces than they are in nuclear armament. Try again starting on January the 3rd Dims.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 20, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

You can also look forward to undeserving gays being given commands just to have a "first" like the first openly gay captain of a destroyer. We shall see.

Posted by: screwjob23
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I agree, but the problem is not with gays but with political correctness.

What has happened is that liberals, AKA progressives, have grabbed the word "progress" which is, now, nothing more than a word denoting whatever they want.

But some of us take their claim seriously and assume that what liberals want is the way the world should go.

We moderates need to find a principled way of saying to them, "You want THIS, it is fair and we will go with you. You want THAT, you think it is fair, but in fact it is foolish and we will oppose you."

We should not allow people who call themselves progressives to become like the Soviet Union which regarded all boundaries as temporary and which would eventually be crossed - by them.

Luckily the USSR came to an end. It still has no boundary, because it no longer exists.

Progressivism does not quite deserve that fate, they do sometimes say things which make sense. But their arrogance, and their naive belief that the future belongs to them, must be stopped.

It is not surprising that having crossed one boundary they ask at once, "What else?"

Posted by: rjpal | December 20, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. government is always trying not to offend Muslim countries. In many Muslim countries gays are not welcomed, in some they are killed, an openly gay person will face many problems. Will the U.S. discriminate against gays by not sending them into those countries, if some wanted to go anyway. Is it fair to just send heterosexuals into combat in Muslim countries and exclude gays? What will the Military do with those already in the military that are anti-gay. The repeal is a case of jumping in the water, before knowing how deep it is. It would have been simpler to disregard and not allow any outings by any one other then the service member under "don' ask" until the end of current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, then make the change.

Posted by: southernrican | December 20, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will soon become the number one recruiting tool for Radical Islamic Terrorists.
-Rush Limbaugh


Truer words could not be spoken....Rush is so right on this one...

Posted by: charko825 | December 20, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse


Look up Holly Graf if you Dims want to see what effect promoting an unqualified affirmative action hire to captain a Navy warship had on morale, good order and discipline.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 20, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse


Look up Holly Graf if you Dims want to see what effect promoting an unqualified affirmative action hire to captain a Navy warship had on morale, good order and discipline.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. government is always trying not to offend Muslim countries. In many Muslim countries gays are not welcomed, in some they are killed, an openly gay person will face many problems. Will the U.S. discriminate against gays by not sending them into those countries, if some wanted to go anyway. Is it fair to just send heterosexuals into combat in Muslim countries and exclude gays? What will the Military do with those already in the military that are anti-gay. The repeal is a case of jumping in the water, before knowing how deep it is. It would have been simpler to disregard and not allow any outings by any one other then the service member under "don' ask" until the end of current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, then make the change.

Posted by: southernrican
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And women are treated like cattle or worse in most Muslim countries.

Should we try not to offend them by having our female soldiers wear a full burka to appease them?

Should our female soldiers not ever speak to a Muslim man directly?

Should we show the Muslims complete deference when it comes to how we treat women vs how THEY treat women?

No. And the same will go with gay soldiers. If Muslims need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century, so be it.

Posted by: B-rod | December 20, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"You can also look forward to undeserving gays being given commands just to have a "first" like the first openly gay captain of a destroyer. We shall see."

As with all things military, there is something known as "military bearing". Orders, speeches ESPECIALLY in front of troops or at military functions, should be given in a military manner. The only way one should know that a fellow soldier is gay is, possibly, when they're off duty. When you're in uniform, EVERYONE should maintain the proper military bearing.

Definition: Army military bearing is how a soldier conducts himself on duty. It encompasses his level of professionalism when dealing with others and his approach to military situations. Soldiers who do not exhibit military bearing are subject to punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice

Posted by: massmedia77 | December 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't ax, don't tell is no mo.
I won't ax, won't tell, won't sign up.

Posted by: robtay12003 | December 20, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The U.S. government is always trying not to offend Muslim countries. In many Muslim countries gays are not welcomed, in some they are killed, an openly gay person will face many problems. Will the U.S. discriminate against gays by not sending them into those countries, if some wanted to go anyway. Is it fair to just send heterosexuals into combat in Muslim countries and exclude gays? What will the Military do with those already in the military that are anti-gay. The repeal is a case of jumping in the water, before knowing how deep it is. It would have been simpler to disregard and not allow any outings by any one other then the service member under "don' ask" until the end of current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, then make the change.

Posted by: southernrican
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And women are treated like cattle or worse in most Muslim countries.

Should we try not to offend them by having our female soldiers wear a full burka to appease them?

Should our female soldiers not ever speak to a Muslim man directly?

Should we show the Muslims complete deference when it comes to how we treat women vs how THEY treat women?

No. And the same will go with gay soldiers. If Muslims need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century, so be it.

Posted by: B-rod | December 20, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

John McCain...the most ignorant man in government. Maybe he'll catch his death cold.
Posted by: tuttlegroup | December 20, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse
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McCain won't likely die from Aids.
If I were King of the world, it would be automatic, certain, and lethal, as a result of sexual acts between males.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | December 20, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Now, predators, child abusers, pedophiles and all the other perverts will want to be recognzed, just like homosexuals.
Disgusting.

Posted by: LarryG62 | December 20, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

What's next?

ROTC on Ivy League campuses

The left just lost their antiMilitary excuse

Then, see how homosexuals in the Military openly works.

Pfc Manning...the wikileak document supply thief is a Gay in the Military.....

...so was Ernst Röhm...different military, same orientation

We'll see if anything good can result....history to date says "not likely"

Posted by: georgedixon1 | December 20, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

are you kidding me... the best that obama can do is revoke dont ask dont tell. seems like the economy is a bit more important.

Posted by: jbob3 | December 20, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

##########################################

If Republicans had repealed DADT during the Bush Administration when the economy was better, we wouldn't be dealing with it today. Blame yourselves.

Posted by: maggots | December 20, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

What's next?

Now the gays start complaining about everything.

Anything they don't like they'll say someone calculated against them because they're gay.

There'll be more lawsuits, and there will be more requests made for the purpose of accommodating gays.

If they're not allowed to cross-dress, they'll complain that their rights to freedom of expression are being denied.

It's a whole can of worms.


Posted by: lindalovejones | December 20, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will soon become the number one recruiting tool for Radical Islamic Terrorists.
-Rush Limbaugh

Truer words could not be spoken....Rush is so right on this one...

Posted by: charko825 | December 20, 2010 12:16 PM
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I'm listening to Rush, right now. He's reiterating. A Military caller is on the line. He says recruitment, and retention will suffer, greatly. That, again, could be the intent of O'bama, and the left. They have no love or admiration for the Military. What we have here is San Francisco, in Macrocosm. Shades of things to come. They're constantly trying to ban, or eliminate the Military from San Francisco. I hope the diksukerscanfight. They're really going to miss the Warrior, aggression of the Marines. Many of them will be leaving.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | December 20, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Now, predators, child abusers, pedophiles and all the other perverts will want to be recognzed, just like homosexuals.
Disgusting.

Posted by: LarryG62 | December 20, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

#########################################

Are you speaking for yourself?

Posted by: maggots | December 20, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Pfc Manning...the wikileak document supply thief is a Gay in the Military.....

Posted by: georgedixon1 | December 20, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

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He's also a white male, so clearly we can't let them serve in the military either.

Posted by: thurdl01 | December 20, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will soon become the number one recruiting tool for Radical Islamic Terrorists.
-Rush Limbaugh

Truer words could not be spoken....Rush is so right on this one...

Posted by: charko825 | December 20, 2010 12:16 PM
-------------------------------------------
I'm listening to Rush, right now. He's reiterating. A Military caller is on the line. He says recruitment, and retention will suffer, greatly. That, again, could be the intent of O'bama, and the left. They have no love or admiration for the Military. What we have here is San Francisco, in Macrocosm. Shades of things to come. They're constantly trying to ban, or eliminate the Military from San Francisco. I hope the diksukerscanfight. They're really going to miss the Warrior, aggression of the Marines. Many of them will be leaving.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | December 20, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

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Maybe you guys should redirect the "Warrior aggression" that you have for gays against the Taliban instead. They're the enemy, remember?

Posted by: maggots | December 20, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Yup. See? he's in a combat zone and all he is thinking about is johnson.

Posted by: cnick68188 | December 20, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

Posted by: raschumacher | December 20, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The point all of you repubtards miss is that gays already serve in the military, in all four branches in fact.

This law will only accentuate their right to continue to do what they've been doing since time immemorial - serve and serve proudly - without being subject to witch hunts by bigoted, narrow-minded idiots like you.

Posted by: dc1020008 | December 20, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

robtay12003:

"I won't ax, won't tell, won't sign up."
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You've had your whole life to sign up. But you won't, you lying little coward.

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 20, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

This has nothing to do with policy. It has to do with politics and nothing more... This is a loud, vocal constuency of the democrat party and they needed to be served...I for one am against "social engineering" during wartime..The left loves it, the media loves it but NONE of these people have served.. Its a different life than the pinkie in the air cocktail parties that the left attend while making "political correctness" part of our lives.

Posted by: james_m_reilly1 | December 20, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

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The repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" will soon become the number one recruiting tool for Radical Islamic Terrorists.
-Rush Limbaugh

Truer words could not be spoken....Rush is so right on this one...
*********************

Oh, yeah Rush is "so right on this one" LOL

You do realize that virtually every other nation has allowed gays in the military for quite some time don't you?

They don't seem to have a problem with it...

Posted by: lightgrw | December 20, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I guess the next thing will be for the military to prepare for the thousands and thousands of Gays to enlist. With all the pressure to lift the policy, there must be a huge pent up demand in the gay community to join the military, right? I mean, what else could this huge battle have been about? There couldn't be any ulterior motives and certainly it is not possible that all the time and effort spent on repealing this Clinton policy was for anything but to clear the way for large numbers of gays to sign up. Maybe some of the advocates for repeal could give us some estimates of how many tens of thousands of gays will be enlisting and provide your thoughts on how this will impact on the manpower needs of the military over the next decade.

Posted by: beachbum09 | December 20, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Gays who think that just because a bare majority of Senators (the vote for cloture was only by a margin of 3) seeking popular applause rather than make grave decisions on how to 'raise and maintain' the best Armed Forces for the US (which the Constitution commands them to do) - that miraculously all 1.5 million heterosexual volunteer male and female military personnel will suddenly embrace homosexuals are in for a rude shock.

No amount of brain-washing by the chain of military command ordered by the Commander in Chief or his transient Civilian secretaries is going to transform the deeply felt attitudes and moral values of the majority of combat branch soldiers who hold on to and reinforce their masculinity as a psychological bulwark against the terror, death, and destruction they must face with their tight band of brothers on whom they must rely and with whom they must live or die.

Openly gay males will be no more welcome into the male-only combat branches of the Marine Corps or Army than forced placement of females in their ranks would be today. At least earlier Congress's - who still had members who served in the US military and in war were smart enough to order that women should never be assigned to the combat branches.

The current Congress whose members have avoided military service at all costs stupidly have failed to listen to - or even understand - the warnings of either Marine General Amos or the Army Chief of Staff to enact something similarly.

So I - who have fought and commanded at the Infantry Combat level in two wars - more violent than any actions yet in either Iraq or Afghanistan - will do what I can to nullify the actions of Congress. I will persuade my 5 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren never to volunteer for the military service of a nation which cares so little for the opinions or welfare of its fighting soldiers or whether we win or lose our wars.

Posted by: dave19 | December 20, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

What's next?

First, PFC Bill Jones and PFC Steve Smith get married in Massachusetts (or in Connecticut, Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont, Washington, D.C.)

Then they return to work at [insert name of army base here] to request spousal benefits.

If benefits are denied, the resulting court case will invariably lead to rulings that the military cannot discriminate against legally married couples. If benefits are approved, great!

Marriage equality is just around the corner.

Posted by: dastubbs | December 20, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

no doubt the whiners will implement the bottom feeders battle cry sue the B.......

Posted by: pofinpa | December 20, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Anything that pisses off both the Republigoons and the Taliban/Al Qaeda (same difference between both organizations...and I'm referring to the GOP and Al Qaeda, naturally)....IS A GOOD THING!!!

Posted by: B-rod | December 20, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"A new Gallup poll shows 78 percent of Americans doubt the traditional scientific view of evolution: 40 percent of Americans believe that God created mankind 10,000 years ago; another 38 percent believe in intelligent design. Just 16 percent, meanwhile, believe in the scientific view of “secular evolution”—though that’s up from just 9 percent in 1982."

I think America has more to worry about than gays in the military. We've got a whole lot of idiots to educate.

Posted by: B-rod | December 20, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Bigots are the only people who fear equality.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | December 20, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Wait, you say a "bare majority" voted for this?

Nonsense.

The cloture vote was 63-33, a 30 point margin. As in twice as many senators voted in the affirmative as did in the negative. The actual up or down vote was even more lopsided.

Are you freaking kidding me? Since when is 63 of 100 a slim majority? Besides, the American public consistently polls at 70-80% on this. Face it. You're a part of a vocal minority. First time that's ever happened to you on a gay rights issue, so you fail to see the irony of your arguments.

Posted by: IronyisHot | December 20, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

This is about men who live in close quarters with other men being able to explain to those other men that they get their sexual pleasure from men.

And so on for women...

If that makes you uncomfortable, don't enlist.

Posted by: hipshot | December 20, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Repeal of DADT included the politics that both Congress and the Pentagon did not want the blackeye from the Federal Courts who have already declared DADT unconstitutional.
So the next step is to reverse the 14,000 illegal discharges which were perpetrated under the unconstitutional excuse of DADT.
This is the least the Pentagon can do to correct the unjust persecution that was conducted for the last 17 years.

Adam of CA.

Posted by: AdamYoung2 | December 20, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting that some people want to relate the repeal of DADT to Holly Graf, because the commonality is there, but not for the reasons espoused. Any person who understands what the military stands for and is run by, understands that the sad case of Captain Graf was a failure of leadership on the part of her superiors, all the way along her career. The system was in place to make sure that cases like hers were halted a long time before she was removed from Command. Her superiors failed to take the appropriate action because it was the easier thing to do.

Leadership is more than putting on a uniform and standing in front of the troops at morning colors.

The repeal of DADT will suffer the same individual failures, but as a whole, I believe that its real success will be born on the shoulders of those leaders that do the right thing.

We all should try to do the right thing because it is right, not avoid doing it because it is to hard. This is why the argument about delaying repeal because we are in two wars makes little sense. If it is the right thing to do, then it should be done, no matter what the circumstance.

There will be isolated cases of “extreme actions” by some, and there may even be legal challenges brought but disgruntled individuals who think they are owed something, but this has been the case with almost every move forward in the military and society. The vast majority of gay and straight members of our military will do what is expected of them, and the repeal of DADT will have no impact on their performance. For the other isolated cases, the system will deal with them in the proper way; as long as leadership does it’s job and evaluates performance with no influence based on sexual orientation, gender, religion or color of skin.

On Wednesday it will become the law of the land, and those who are sworn to uphold those laws will have to perform as they are directed, and will still have to continue to perform all of their other duties to the best of their ability. That may require taking a stand on performance issues that will not be accepted by all. This includes not recommending a service member for promotion when others feel he/she is qualified, and even recommending someone when others think there is “political correctness” and affirmative action at work. It is about performance and leadership. If a leader does not have the internal fortitude to stand on his beliefs, then he/she is not much of a leader.

This is no longer about repealing DADT, it is about leadership, and I for one have faith that our military leaders are up to this task.

Posted by: The_Rat | December 20, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Dream Act’s failure could drive Latino voters one way against Democrats and for Republicans. Latinos who entered illegally into the U.S. disrespect legal Latinos and all U.S. citizens who value their rights of citizenship.

Democrat politics of granting citizenship by enrollment into public education and military service is a mockery of immigration laws between nations. This is a disrespect of the law by making exceptions to the rules, the law is made non effect and citizenship is degraded. Latinos in the U.S. should not let their personal integrity be compromised by the social liberal politics of vote getting.

The Obama Democrat politics is to give illegal residences citizenship to get 20% Latino votes that could make a difference as it did with Jerry in California. Latinos who buy into this mentality are responsible for some very, very poor politicians who get elected by campaign propaganda instead of a proven record of leadership skills and abilities.

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Posted by: goodlucky82 | December 20, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations USA on joining the rest of the civilized world.

And if you’re struggling to understand how your military will cope with fighting, living, sleeping, showering & serving with OMIGOD HO- HO- HO- HOMO- ARGHH NOOOO I CAN’T EVEN SAY IT!!, I suggest you talk to the soldiers of Albania, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan and the United Kingdom, all of whom have served with gay & lesbian comrades for years, apparently without destroying their unit cohesion & military effectivenss.

You'll be fine.

Really.

Posted by: secondsoprano | December 20, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

What's next?

First, PFC Bill Jones and PFC Steve Smith get married in Massachusetts (or in Connecticut, Iowa, New Hampshire, Vermont, Washington, D.C.)

Then they return to work at [insert name of army base here] to request spousal benefits.

If benefits are denied, the resulting court case will invariably lead to rulings that the military cannot discriminate against legally married couples. If benefits are approved, great!

Marriage equality is just around the corner.

Posted by: dastubbs | December 20, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

##########################################

What do you care if they are good soldiers defending their country? Get a life!

Posted by: maggots | December 20, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"The headlines said that the Pentagon’s homosexual exclusion policy had been repealed.

‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ is repealed by Senate; bill awaits Obama’s signing,” was the headline over the front page article in The Washington Post by Ed O’Keefe.

But the article went on to note, in the 22nd paragraph, that top military leaders must find or certify that changes to the current policy “must not affect troop readiness, cohesion or military recruitment and retention.”

How is this possible when Marine Commandant General Jim Amos has already said that the changes would cost lives?"

ACCURACY IN MEDIA
by CLIFF KINCAID 12/20/2010

Posted by: marine2 | December 21, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

You can also look forward to undeserving gays being given commands just to have a "first" like the first openly gay captain of a destroyer. We shall see.

Posted by: screwjob23
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I agree, but the problem is not with gays but with political correctness.

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I'm a big time Governor Palin supporter and a Conservative Tea Party Patriot and I am very happy Don't Ask Don't Tell was repealed. It just went to far and was too harsh. But, the one thing I hate about the repeal of DADT is that we'll now have even more Political Correctness. It's still the right thing to do though.

Posted by: richmond_dude | December 21, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

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