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Posted at 1:35 PM ET, 12/ 2/2010

'Don't ask, don't tell' dismissed by McCain

By Ed O'Keefe

Updated and corrected 2:57 p.m. ET

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a leading Republican critic of ending the "don't ask, don't tell" law, dismissed a new Pentagon report on the issue Thursday and said Congress should not vote to change military personnel policy during a time of war.

"At this time, we should be inherently cautious about making any changes that would affect our military, and what changes we do make should be the product of careful and deliberate consideration," McCain said Tuesday during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.

The panel heard from Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen and the co-authors of the report released Tuesday, Defense Department General Counsel Jeh C. Johnson and Army Gen. Carter F. Ham.

Concerns expressed by troops in the report about ending the ban on gays in the military "do not present an insurmountable barrier" to successfully ending the law, Gates said.

Despite those assurances, McCain said more time is needed to consider whether the military should change the law. The Pentagon studied the issue for 10 months, but "The members of this committee received it 36 hours ago, and my staff and I are still going through it and analyzing it carefully," McCain said.

He once again voiced his disagreement with the scope of the report, saying it failed to study whether the law should be repealed. "Unfortunately, that key issue was not the focus of this study," he said. Further, he worried that a study sent to troops last summer only accounts for 6 percent of the total armed forces.

"I find it hard to view that as a fully-representative sample set," McCain said.

Mullen acknowledged some of McCain's concerns, noting that some troops quoted in the report worry about having to bunk or shower with openly gay troops.

"We'll deal with that," Mullen said. "But I believe and history tells us that most of them will put aside personal proclivities for something larger than themselves and for each other."

"There are some for whom this debate is all about gray areas," Mullen said. "There is no gray area here. We treat each other with respect, or we find another place to work. Period. That's why I also believe leadership will prove vital."

Emerging as the Pentagon's most forceful, emotional proponent for ending the law, Mullen said current policy "doesn't make any sense to me," because it requires troops to lie about their identity while serving for a military that values integrity.

Gates pressed senators to act this month to end the ban, warning that, "Those that choose not to act legislatively are rolling the dice that this policy will not be abruptly overturned by the courts."

Johnson said repeal of the law should be handled by political leaders and not federal judges, noting that the Pentagon was forced to shift course on the policy twice in the span of eight days by two federal court rulings.

"This legal uncertainty is not going away any time soon," he said, because a legal challenge brought by the Log Cabin Republicans remains under consideration by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.

The clock is ticking on legislative efforts to end the law. With three weeks left before Christmas, it is unclear whether the Senate will consider the defense policy bill that includes language ending the ban. First, Senate leadership is expected to introduce legislation addressing the expiration of tax cuts, a government spending plan and possibly a nuclear disarmament treaty with Russia.

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By Ed O'Keefe  | December 2, 2010; 1:35 PM ET
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i was watching c-span this morning and ADMIRAL MULLIN said that when he was aboard a destroyer off the coast of viet nam he served with gays on his ship.when i told my chief petty officer that i saw two gays having oral sex aboard my ship in 1966 the office of naval intelligence(ncis) came aboard and found out their were a total of six homosexuals.they were taken off the ship and given a dishonorable discharge.must have been a different NAVY!

Posted by: SISSD1 | December 2, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"We treat each other with respect, or we find another place to work. Period" says Mullen.
Inappropriate behavior will be dealt with via the UCMJ, just like it is currently done for heterosexual military personnel. Repealing DADT will not require the infrastructure of the services to be rebuilt from the ground up; that's just a lame excuse for those fighting against it. Get over it, or resign.

Posted by: 82ndairborne | December 2, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

McCain's journey to the dark side is complete. He embraced his hatred and become the agent of intolerance he was destined to be.

Posted by: seankellynyc | December 2, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

If you can't handle serving with gay folks (you already are) leave when your enlistment is up, resign your commission, or don't join if you're not yet serving. This is going to happen,as it should. McCain is flawed.

Posted by: jckdoors | December 2, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I just love Adm. Mullen telling Sen. Chambliss I did not say that (your a liar). Chambliss looked like a knocked down boxer.

Posted by: jameschirico | December 2, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain used to be a man of some honor and dignity. Now he's just another jerk with power.

Posted by: tojo45 | December 2, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I have talked to several people in the military, and most do not favor a repeal, but keeping the status quo. This whole exercise stinks of PC gone stupid. The fact also remains that most gay people in the military don't have to say anything about their sexual orientation, the guys and gals who do not partake in this life style already can tell. These gay soldiers are basically left alone and not paid much attention to because it is NONE of anyone's business. If our soldiers respect that privacy, why can't our congress and this useless president?

Posted by: candyzky | December 2, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Great coverage via Twitter, Ed. Get over it, McCain. Clearly he is out of touch. Not our first clue. Just boggles my mind that in this day and age we are still worrying over this issue. It should not be consuming so much energy when there are so many more important issues to address.

Posted by: cary2 | December 2, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Homosexuals are mentally sick people. I know homosexuals that have taken female hormones to be that way while they should have been taken male hormones to be what they are. I know homosexuals that have changed and are now married and have children.

Posted by: Bill1776 | December 2, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Homosexuals are mentally sick people. I know homosexuals that have taken female hormones to be that way while they should have been taken male hormones to be what they are. I know homosexuals that have changed and are now married and have children.

Posted by: Bill1776 | December 2, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

McCain will listen to the military when it says what he wants it to say, and not before.

Time to give gramps a glass of warm milk and send him off to bed.

Posted by: thrh | December 2, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Homosexuals are mentally sick people. I know homosexuals that have taken female hormones to be that way while they should have been taken male hormones to be what they are. I know homosexuals that have changed and are now married and have children.
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you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Are you John McCain? I think it's YOU JOHN!

Posted by: bozhogg | December 2, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

There are already many, many Gay and Bi service people serving proudly and successfully. Mc Cain is a bigot, hate monger, and should go home to Arizona where he and the State Governor could share similar perspectives.

Posted by: fairness3 | December 2, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

@SISSD1, have you had trouble finding a job with that dishonorable discharge? I understand once those are on your record it's tough.

Posted by: Manhattan1 | December 2, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Having served for 34 years I think the issue is discipline and control of behavior. But the real issue is many Americans consider this behavior wrong and will never support this change. Regarding the issue of having folks lie, I guess if the DADT is not repealed the honorable thing for Gay people would be not to serve. If they are concerned about their being forced to lie about their behavior. I never cared one way or the other, but again this is different than integration of blacks and women. If the defict is not fixed we may see the end of the VOLAR force and the draft come back, than this issue will need to be addressed. But since the mmid terms I would say that the GOP/Tea Baggers will not support the end of the policy now. I do not think the Supreme Court will overturn the policy given its current makeup and the lack of any Congressional intent in expressing any legal basis for making a discrimination claim based upon sexual orientation or behavior. Elections matter if you do not vote your wishes will not be addressed or changed.

Posted by: Ronn_Greek | December 2, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Bill1776: No homosexual is close to being as sick as you are, you freak.

Posted by: Observer691 | December 2, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has lost all sense of integrity. He previously said that if the military brass called for a change, he would support it. Now that they didn't give him the answer he had expected, he is singing a different tune. And to his point about not changing policy during a time of war, as was pointed out during the hearing this morning, the military was racially integrated during the Korean War without any detrimental effects.

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | December 2, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The admiral's comment that those who wish to can leave is extremely disingenuous. Please tell me who can just drop his weapons and go home?

Posted by: Geezer4 | December 2, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain = bigot

Posted by: mrmoogie | December 2, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Homosexuals are mentally sick people. I know homosexuals that have taken female hormones to be that way while they should have been taken male hormones to be what they are. I know homosexuals that have changed and are now married and have children.
Posted by: Bill1776
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Thank you for not trying to hide your bigotry, Bill1776. It's exactly this kind of "argument" that reveals how those opposed to repealing DADT have no legal ground on which to stand. There only defense? Foaming at the mouth with bigoted comments such as this.

Oh, and there are many heterosexual men who have molested their children, raped women, and murdered human beings. According to your logic, then, every heterosexual man is equally guilty of these offenses.

And then there's candyzky, who says this:

have talked to several people in the military, and most do not favor a repeal, but keeping the status quo. This whole exercise stinks of PC gone stupid. The fact also remains that most gay people in the military don't have to say anything about their sexual orientation, the guys and gals who do not partake in this life style already can tell. These gay soldiers are basically left alone and not paid much attention to because it is NONE of anyone's business. If our soldiers respect that privacy, why can't our congress and this useless president?

Posted by: candyzky
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You reveal your bias by using the word "life style" [sic]. Being gay isn't a lifestyle. As another poster mentioned on another discussion board, a lifestyle is RVing and going to quilting bees. But back to your inane point. PC gone stupid? That you see a group of people demanding equal rights as PC shows that you just don't get it. Gay people are in the military, but they experience such mental duress from having to live a closeted life. This goes beyond telling everyone that you're gay. It's about not displaying photos of your partner, when most of your straight colleagues display pictures of theirs. It's about not being able to tell your coworkers what you're doing that weekend. It's about not being able to bring your partner to social events. All of this has a detrimental impact on the psychological health of gay soldiers. Bill1776 doesn't realize that it's bigots such as him who cause so many LGBT people to be under mental duress, leading some to even commit suicide.

Posted by: binaryboy | December 2, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain thinks we should let the troops vote on what the law governing the military should be? Further proof, if any were needed, that he's around the bend and should be put out to pasture. and John Kyl should be in an orange jumpsuit at gitmo.
Why does AZ hate America?

Posted by: michael5 | December 2, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Incompetant Viet Cong....had a chance to spare us from this seniole old fart and they let him get away.

Posted by: dem4life1 | December 2, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Can someone name the five Supreme Court justices who will vote to repeal DADT?

If you believe Gates' assertion that repealing DADT is needed to prevent the courts from repealing it, then you, like Gates, don't have a clear view of the situation.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 2, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Bill1776 is pretty funny.

Posted by: MattTee1 | December 2, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

And as usual, McCain will be "rewarded" for his behavior today with numerous appearances on the upcoming Sunday talk shows.

Posted by: bpotter110 | December 2, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain would prefer keeping DADT as is, and having the US maintain its unfair system preventing gays in the military, just like the backward countries of North Korea, China, Cuba and Turkey do with their militaries.

He prefers not to join advanced societies that have openly permitted gays and lesbians in the military -- like those in France, Japan, the UK, Germany, Israel, Argentia and dozens more.

McCain is a relic of the past.

Posted by: mykolas1 | December 2, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

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i was watching c-span this morning and ADMIRAL MULLIN said that when he was aboard a destroyer off the coast of viet nam he served with gays on his ship.when i told my chief petty officer that i saw two gays having oral sex aboard my ship in 1966 the office of naval intelligence(ncis) came aboard and found out their were a total of six homosexuals.they were taken off the ship and given a dishonorable discharge.must have been a different NAVY!

Posted by: SISSD1 | December 2, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse +++++++++
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No offense, but I just don't believe you. You sound like a typical homophobe making up a fairytale to support your biased POV.

Posted by: bruce19 | December 2, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Bill 1776 is a @@@hole who needs a good therapist to deal with his own problems.

Posted by: mykolas1 | December 2, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

It's John McCain that is "deeply flawed."
Troglodytes like him would take civilization back to the Dark Ages if they could.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | December 2, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

The military's survey was a convenience sample. It's not random, which is needed to project a margin of error.

That said, if they had conducted a random sample of 115,000 for a population of 400,000, then that would have a very low margin of error. Maybe even less than 1 percent.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 2, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a sad little man who's legacy will be "the guy responsible for Sarah Palin".

Posted by: rcc_2000 | December 2, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"But the real issue is many Americans consider this behavior wrong and will never support this change. "

Actually nearly every poll taken on the subject shows that around 75% of those polled do support ending DADT.

The numbers are around 90% for those under 30.

Posted by: TheHillman | December 2, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

++++++Homosexuals are mentally sick people. I know homosexuals that have taken female hormones to be that way while they should have been taken male hormones to be what they are. I know homosexuals that have changed and are now married and have children.

Posted by: Bill1776 | December 2, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse ++++++
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You are the one who needs psychiatric help. Homosexuality is a genetic condition, just like heterosexuality and is not a "life-style" choice. I know plenty of gay men and women. There is no way they are all making a choice to be homosexual. It is in their DNA and there is just no arguing about this fact. Soon, scientists will ID the gene or genetic marker for sexual differentiation and we will all understand that gays are just expressing their true behavior, like it or not. Stop being a bigot.

Posted by: bruce19 | December 2, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Especially troubling: Sen. McCain apparently doesn't understand how to read statistics. He said he doesn't understand how a 6% sample could be representative.

On a body the size of the active US military (approx 1.4 million), 6% would yield a very accurate survey with nearly 90,000 respondents. The survey will be off by less than 1% plus or minus with 99% confidence. Take it to the bank.

Posted by: Dwarf_Sidious | December 2, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Repeal the ban and stop wasting tax payers money on discriminating against its own citizens

Posted by: agarnett1000 | December 2, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain, having barely escaped a primary loss to a bible-spouting religious fanatic on his right, knows well he now has to suck the christian cоck or never have any influence with anybody at all anymore.

He's certainly lost most of us who had so much respect for him back in 2000. Just who is this old man, and what happened to him, to his honor?

Posted by: eezmamata | December 2, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

'Tis rumoured Gates and Mullen are backing Perez Hilton to redesign those oh-pew one-size-fits-all garbageman fatigue "uniforms."

Posted by: phvr38 | December 2, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain won the "dang" election, maybe someone should tell him he can stop being a jerk.

Posted by: Sandydayl | December 2, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain now sees his constituency as Arizona, not America. Big difference. He has played to the center since 2000 when he ran against Bush in the primaries.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 2, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Just form a gay division or two in all of the services and let the gays serve there. oh and let them design their own uniforms. They'll look the sharpest.

Posted by: FLvet | December 2, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain, having barely escaped a primary loss to a bible-spouting religious fanatic on his right, knows well he now has to suck the christian cоck or never have any influence with anybody at all anymore.

He's certainly lost most of us who had so much respect for him back in 2000. Just who is this old man, and what happened to him, to his honor?

Posted by: eezmamata | December 2, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Remember just a short time ago when we all liked John McCain because of his high moral fiber (campaign finance reform, POW, bipartisanship)? Until he had to show his untraconvervative stripes to stay in office, to fight off the Tea Partiers...

Now he has gone completely over to the dark side, and he takes positions that his right-wing fanatic supporters like.

He said before that we should wait until the military study is complete before we vote on DADT. Now he says he doesn't believe the results of the study and should ignore it. Can you imagine if this guy had been elected President?

Posted by: mandelm2001 | December 2, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Makes you wonder if McCain opposes changing the law because he dislikes gay people or he is rampantly pandering again. I miss the old McCain I respected where I thought he actually meant what he said.

Posted by: cashink2003 | December 2, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse


According to the report 56.1% of Marines say that just having a known/suspected homo in their unit negatively affects the unit's ability to work together.

Only 39.9 percent of Marines said that having homosexuals in their unit affects morale "not at all".

47.3 percent of Marines, nearly half, reported that repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell would impact their trust of open homosexuals in their unit "negatively" or "very negatively".

According to the report 56.1% of Marines say that just having a known/suspected homo in their unit negatively affects the unit's ability to work together:

See questions 40, 43, 50 and 68c

Posted by: screwjob22 | December 2, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Thank your God, that McShame is not CIC! This guy so lacks anything even resembling integrity!

Posted by: CHAOTICIAN101 | December 2, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse


All four service chiefs are opposed to repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell. So is Gen. Carter F. Ham who is one of the two authors of the report.

"I think that the current policy works... [M]y best military advice to this committee, to the secretary and to the president would be to keep the law such as it is."

- Gen. James Conway, Marine Commandant (ret.)


"I do have serious concerns about the impact of repeal of the law on a force that's fully engaged in two wars and has been at war for eight-and-a-half years. We just don't know the impacts on readiness and military effectiveness."

- Gen. George Casey, Army Chief Of Staff


"[My] strong conviction [is that] this is not the time to perturb the force, [which] is, at the moment, stretched by demands in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere without careful deliberation."

- Gen. Norton Schwartz, Air Force Chief of Staff

"In my personal view, the current law and associated policy have supported the unique requirements of the Marine Corps, and thus I do not recommend its repeal. My primary concern with proposed repeal is the potential disruption to cohesion that may be caused by significant change during a period of extended combat operations. "

- Gen. James F. Amos, Marine Commandant

Posted by: screwjob22 | December 2, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, what was anyone expecting from Sec Gates and Adm Mullin, who are \"political appointees\".

That's right, ladies and gents, ossifers reaching three- and four-star rank are Not promoted, they are \"appointed.\"

In this case, with a proverbial \"empty shirt\" in charge, who had no previous military experience, and would rather \"hug\" a Medal of Honor recipient that salute as appropriate, these sycophants won't be gone soon enough.

They should all don some gay apparel, and would undoubtedly look good in those cute red vests as they greet visitors to Warshington!

S/F

Posted by: USMCret1 | December 2, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, what was anyone expecting from Sec Gates and Adm Mullin, who are \"political appointees\".

That's right, ladies and gents, ossifers reaching three- and four-star rank are Not promoted, they are \"appointed.\"

In this case, with a proverbial \"empty shirt\" in charge, who had no previous military experience, and would rather \"hug\" a Medal of Honor recipient that salute as appropriate, these sycophants won't be gone soon enough.

They should all don some gay apparel, and would undoubtedly look good in those cute red vests as they greet visitors to Warshington!

S/F

Posted by: USMCret1 | December 2, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

McCain: time for you to retire and quit making such a jerk of yourself. I used to have a great deal of respect for you, but you are not anything more than an office-seeking charlatan...not a maverick and not a straight shooter. Let's have Gen. Petraeus decide what's best, not you.

Posted by: brt30 | December 2, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

we should care what McCain says? This is yet another one of his many policy flip-flops. He previously said "leave it up to the joint Chiefs". Now he says something different. The Posties, including some liberals like EJ Dionne have a mancrushes on this erratic, overprivileged character who has never been a major legislative player in the Senate. It would be great to see the Post go a week w/o mentioning McCain or other blathering, inconsistent irrelevances like Newt Gingrich.

Posted by: thebuckguy | December 2, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I used to respect John McCain. But he seems to have lost any of the integrity he once had and he certainly lost all credibility since he let "little John" pick his 2008 running mate. Sad how two-faced he has become.

Posted by: sux123 | December 2, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Somebody please tell McCain that the military doesn't write or change laws. That's the job of Congress.

The current law is unconstitutional. It unfairly discriminates against a segment of American citizens - for no valid legislative purpose.

Every person who volunteers for military service is required to sign a contract. Under the law, homosexuals are NOT qualified to serve, so for a gay person to sign such a contract, he must LIE by omission! This is an untenable position for government to maintain.

McCain is just totally wrong and should either do some critical thinking or just keep quiet.

There is no valid purpose for keeping the current law on the books.

Posted by: Hazmat77 | December 2, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

This will not win the war in Viet Nam, John. It's really over.

Posted by: poppysue85 | December 2, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain is afraid of the gay.

Posted by: danw1 | December 2, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't shake his weewee anymore after peeing unless he checks his poll numbers - which way should he shake it first? Would the christians be upset if he shook it up and down in stead of right to left? When he crosses the street, should he look right first, then left?

What a total loser, a TOTAL loser this man has become.

Posted by: eezmamata | December 2, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

sen.mccain is petulant, arrogant and clueless. he made it through annapolis with the help of his admiral grandfather and admiral father,[ he graduated 894 out of 899] his military record before he was shot down is less than stellar and some believe that he was responsible for the explosion on the uss forrestal in which 134 sailors died and another 161 injured. mccain has milked his time as a pow like no other and has used it to further his political goals. he continues to say one thing and do another as long as it's politically expedient. his actions with the keating 5 through today has shown that he has no morals and will say and do whatever it takes to keep himself in power. those that think him a hero really set the bar low.

Posted by: blinwilly | December 2, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

John is a vindictive old f00l who can't still get over his loss to Obama and hence opposing his every policy even at the price of ruining is own dignity. John desperately wants to be the president so trying to pander to the extreme right by making outrageous statements which go against his own stands in the past when he was still a sane person whom people cared about.
John the more you sound like Palin Beck, more pathetic you look. You will never be a president because neither right wing nor independents will believe you anymore. Resign already with whatever dignity is left.

Posted by: Lawrencer1 | December 2, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be John McCain's legacy.

Posted by: asja | December 2, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain is an anachronism.

Posted by: elwoll | December 2, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain is officially WAAAYYYY over the hill. He should listen to his much younger (by 18 years) wife.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | December 2, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

How could a man who so bravely survived his years as a POW become such an utter craven coward in his old age?

Is he even aware any more that he's "changed his mind" on certain issues, I mean does he remember what he ... used to remember?

Is this really just a senile old man who can't remember what his own middle name is, or is he the coward he appears to even those of us who once had so much respect for him?

Posted by: eezmamata | December 2, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

We know that there are plenty of homosexuals in the military now; they just can't be honest about it. McCain just doesn't want the world to know how many homosexuals there are in the military services, in case it blows the cover on their macho front.

Posted by: farhorizons | December 2, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

One of the most serious errors that I've seen John McCain make occured in 2008. In the general election, he refused to press the issue of Obama's radical minister, because he didn't want to be called a racist.

Sometimes in life you cannot avoid being called a racist and do what is right both. It's just a part of the American experience for whites. But McCain showed the seperate reality he lives in by shying away from a racially charged disagreement even though there were legitimate reasons to press forward with it.

He could have addressed the Rev. Wright issue while humbly deflecting the racism allegation, which is something white American do all the time.

It ranks up there with Lieberman's fawning over Florida absentee ballots from overseas service members. Military folks are great patriots, but their votes must be treated equally with everyone elses on election day.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 2, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

i was watching c-span this morning and ADMIRAL MULLIN said that when he was aboard a destroyer off the coast of viet nam he served with gays on his ship.when i told my chief petty officer that i saw two gays having oral sex aboard my ship in 1966 the office of naval intelligence(ncis) came aboard and found out their were a total of six homosexuals.they were taken off the ship and given a dishonorable discharge.must have been a different NAVY

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How do you feel about that today?

Posted by: maggots | December 2, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain should take a lesson from his fellow republician Larry Craig. Like McCain, Craig was once a vehement opponent to gay rights. Unlike McCain, Craig had an open mind. He homesexuality and try and found that it isn't so bad afterall.

Posted by: tommytunes | December 2, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I have talked to several people in the military, and most do not favor a repeal, but keeping the status quo. This whole exercise stinks of PC gone stupid. The fact also remains that most gay people in the military don't have to say anything about their sexual orientation, the guys and gals who do not partake in this life style already can tell. These gay soldiers are basically left alone and not paid much attention to because it is NONE of anyone's business. If our soldiers respect that privacy, why can't our congress and this useless president?

Posted by: candyzky | December 2, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

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You didn't conduct a scientific poll. In any case, there were plenty of servicemen who were just as upset when blacks and women were introduced into their units.

If a soldier says that he or she is guy, it is NONE of your business either. All they want to do is serve their country without having to lie about themselves.

Posted by: maggots | December 2, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

So... let me get this straight.

McCain expects our soldiers to be tough enough to brave bombs and bullets.

But complete wusses when it comes to merely being in the *presence* of gays and lesbians?

What?

Posted by: brickerd | December 2, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

If a person tells you that he used to be exclusively homosexual in his sexual orientation and is now married to a woman and has children, he's lying about his sexual orientation.

No one has had a sexual orientation change. Alan Chambers, the current president of the ex-gay ministry, Exodus International, and former Assemblies of God minister, admitted to a CNN reporter that after being married and having (adopted) children, he still experiences same-gender sexual attractions. Chambers was either a bisexual or is merely just a heterosexually married homosexual.

Posted by: joe_allen_doty | December 2, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

If McCain doesn't like the results of THIS report...T­hen why doesn't he look at the other reports done by and for the Pentagon and Congress over the last 2 decades that concluded EXACTLY the same thing..... These were done while he was in office, so he either knows about them and is lying or doesn't which means he doesn't bother to pay attention to his job.

The Pentagon did a study in the late 80's that concluded gays should be allowed to serve. They tried to bury it. Here is the link.

http://www­­­­­­­.nyt­i­m­e­s­.­­c­­om­/1­9­8­9­/­1­0­­/­22­/­us­­/­re­­p­or­­­t-ur­­­g­ing­­­-­en­d­-­o­f-­h­­o­m­os­e­­­xua­l-­b­­­­an-­re­j­­­­ecte­d-­­b­­­­y-mi­lit­­a­­­­­ry.h­tml­?­p­­­­­agew­­ant­e­d­=­­­­1

Then the General Accounting Office undertook a study at the request of Congress in 1992. It also said that gays should serve openly. Link below

http://www­­­­­­­.nyt­i­m­e­s­.­­c­­om­/1­9­9­2­/­0­6­­/­20­/­us­­/­mi­­l­it­­­ary-­­­s­-an­­­t­i-­g­a­y­-r­u­­l­e­-i­s­­­-co­st­l­­­­y-a­-r­e­­­­port­-s­­a­­­­ys.h­tml

This is now the third survey that has reached the same conclusion­­­­­. Bigots will always be bigots and allowing them to try to claim that they need more time to "Study" this is letting them off the hook for their bigotry.”

Posted by: cambel1 | December 2, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Bill1776 is a stupid nanny-nanny-boo-boo. He smells like poo-poo. Bill1776 wears girl underpants.

There. I've stooped to Bill1776's level of debate.

Posted by: fmamstyle | December 2, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't want to live to see DADT repealed.

Maybe it's time for him to drop dead.

Posted by: lonquest | December 2, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse


Actually Dims, it is the United States Senate who gets to vote on this. Senator McCain is currently the Ranking Member of the Armed Services Committee. So for you knuckleheads who are questioning what business of it of John McCain's, that is what makes it his business.

ALL FOUR SERVICE CHIEFS oppose repeal of DADT. The Army general who wrote the report opposes it.

Not only that but the Dims wildly misrepresented the contents of the report BEFORE it was published saying 70% of military service members thought it would have no effect. Exactly the opposite is true: 56% of Marines in the report indicated homos would have a negative effect on unit morale. Right there in the report.

McCain is also correct that the report never addresses the question "Should Congress repeal DADT" but instead starts with the assumption that DADT will be repealed.

Posted by: screwjob22 | December 2, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

In most cases, it shouldn't be that damning. I'm a veteran with an honorable discharge, but I've never been asked for my DD214 when applying for a job.

If I were asked to present it, I would offer the deleted version, which does not include the nature of the discharge.

This is one situation where "don't ask, don't tell" actually works. They don't ask me about my discharge, and I don't tell them.

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@SISSD1, have you had trouble finding a job with that dishonorable discharge? I understand once those are on your record it's tough.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 2, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It's quite striking to see the new ways McCain comes up with to justify his homophobia in regards to DADT. He will be remembered primarily for this and for foisting Sarah Palin on the nation. Quite a legacy.

Posted by: bpai_99 | December 2, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

One day Americans will look back on John McCain in the same way people view George McGovern today.

Posted by: JBinVA1 | December 2, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Somebody report Bill1776. I don't have Outlook set up on my computer.

Posted by: B-Ri_Hoosier | December 2, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Of course John McCain dismisses the report. What the majority in the report says doesn't matter to John McCain.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | December 2, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with McCain on the principle of repealing "Don't ask, don't tell." I don't know if his logic is necessarily all all that great, but I support the position. Why?

I've briefly looked at the text of the report & I've come to the conclusion that
there are elements in the top levels of DOD that support the repeal. Elements with a vested interest in seeing "Don't ask, don't tell" go away. In the Corporate world, it's called "enlightened self interest".

I don't particularly care for the idea myself. My position on society being COMPELLED to acknowledge the LGBT lifestyle as legitimate is that it shouldn't happen.

What's particularly interesting is this...The LGBT position has always been that they shouldn't be forced to adhere to societal norms. On the other hand, they don't seem to have any qualms about forcing society to accept their way of life. I find this to be rather hypocritical!

This is also interesting because they like to point their fingers at us & say how hypocritical we are. Particularly those of us who happen to be "people of faith".
Remember this, LGBT proponents...If the shoe fits, wear it!

On the other hand, we can spend all of our times playing games or something can be done. I'm sure there's the possibility some middle ground can be found...However, all of the harassment-style lawsuits, etc. need to come to a screeching halt!!!

In the last 50 years, there have been a lot of changes in our government & society
at large. The impacts of those changes haven't always been all that good. This has particularly been the case from 1980
to the present time. We shouldn't be getting carried away with change for the sake of change. A 10 month study is plainly not the answer to an issue that has existed for hundreds of years! (Yes, Virginia...This issue predates the birth of this country!)

Posted by: theseeker1952 | December 2, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

If gays are can't serve and thus are denied the full benefits of citizenship, they should not have to pay taxes.

Posted by: Garak | December 2, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Having served for 34 years I think the issue is discipline and control of behavior. But the real issue is many Americans consider this behavior wrong and will never support this change.
Posted by: Ronn_Greek
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Many Americans believed that slavery was OK; many Americans believed that segregation was OK; many Americans thought there were weapons of mass desctruction in Iraq. The number of people that believe something doesn't make it right or wrong.

Posted by: xconservative | December 2, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I agree with McCain on the principle of repealing "Don't ask, don't tell." I don't know if his logic is necessarily all all that great, but I support the position.
Posted by: theseeker1952
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I wish that people like you and McCain would just be honest. Instead of making up all of these excuses, just say, "I don't like queers and don't want them in the military."

Everyone knows that this is what you are thinking. Do you really think you are fooling anyone?

Posted by: xconservative | December 2, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If a person tells you that he used to be exclusively homosexual in his sexual orientation and is now married to a woman and has children, he's lying about his sexual orientation.

No one has had a sexual orientation change. Alan Chambers, the current president of the ex-gay ministry, Exodus International, and former Assemblies of God minister, admitted to a CNN reporter that after being married and having (adopted) children, he still experiences same-gender sexual attractions. Chambers was either a bisexual or is merely just a heterosexually married homosexual.

Posted by: joe_allen_doty | December 2, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

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Kind of funny that they say homosexuals can't become heterosexuals, but then they say there are heterosexuals awakening to their homosexuality all the time.

When heterosexuals switch to being gay, the gays say they were that way all along.

But...

When the preacher says gays can switch to being straight, the gays say it can never happen.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 2, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Let's wait and see what the people say." We want to repeal it. "Let's wait and see what the Pentagon says." They want to repeal it. "Let's wait and see what the troops say." They want to repeal it. "Wait! We didn't poll everybody! There's a Marine in boot camp in Alabama we didn't ask! We have to wait to hear from him!"

John McCain supports the repeal of DADT, as long as it never happens.

Posted by: dagrubb824 | December 2, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

If this was the right thing to do, then the DOD leaders could do it in the right way instead of going before Congress and misrepresenting the findings of their own report. Anyone who briefly examines the reports realizes that the numbers they are giving testimony to do not add up. They only surveyed 5% of the total force and are testifying that 70% see no issue. If one reads other questions in the report using the same methodology they'll find that over 90% see a negative impact if a homosexual is in command. You don't hear the DOD leaders mentioning that portion of the report at all yet it's there. They are misrepresenting the findings and by doing so revealing their process and purpose are a sham!

Posted by: RedskinsReverend | December 2, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an old bigot. Cindy, please retire him.

Posted by: Gatsby100 | December 2, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Many here and throughout the country are arguing that anyone who opposes repeal of DADT is motivated by hate and is morally deficient. And you call the other side judgmental? How hypocritical.

If you cannot see that there are legitimate reasons that do not involve hatred or bigotry for opposing DADT repeal, whether you happen to agree with them or not, then you are either lacking the intellectual capacity to have a meaningful debate or (more likely) you're close-minded to opposing positions and therefore show yourself to be the bigot in the debate.

The overriding concern should be for the continued effectiveness of the military, not for the advancement of any individual group's personal concerns. Even the report of the commission acknowledges 30% of the service personnel would have a problem with repealing DADT, and as much as 60% of the Marine Corps.

Try this little thought experiment. Suppose you're told there's some issue- you don't know what it is, but it's a personnel decision that 30% - 60% of service personnel are opposed to and concerned about, and it affects the way they live and operate on a personal level. And also, it's actually an issue that is highly polarizing in the population at large and is being hotly debated right now, often with great intensity and vehemence.

So you're going to tell me there's no concern about implementing this policy now in the midst of multiple wars that have already placed great stress on the personal and family lives of our troops over the past several years, some would argue close to the breaking point? And you're going to further argue that opposition to this move is so clearly unfounded it cannot possibly be motivated by anything other than hatred and bigotry?

The vacuousness of you argument is self-evident. This is about advancing the homosexual political agenda at the expense of the effectiveness of the military. I oppose that, as I would oppose advancing ANY group's political cause in a way that harms the military.

Posted by: mark923 | December 2, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Mullen and Gates need to look for other jobs. All they are are pandering Odumbo lapdogs, not leaders.

Posted by: LarryG62 | December 2, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

What a despicable piece of bigoted garbage McCain is. He is unfit to be Senator. Frankly, I would not want this homophobic sob living next to me. I would suggest he stay out of NY because, if he comes here, I will seek him out and spit in that bigoted face of his. Shame on him.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | December 2, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

We all seem to be ignoring the basic question. The question is not whether or not gays can and have served honorably and as a valued member of the military - they have and are serving. THE REAL QUESTION is what is can openly gay individuals serve the same way? Serving honorably under DADT and serving as an openly gay individualo ARE TWO ENTIRELY difffernt things. Yes, your buddies my have suspected you were gay, but you couldn't do anything overtly to confirm it.

Now if gays are able to openly serve, WE HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT situation. That would in all probability that we would eventually see two gay Marines dancing together in a warm embrace in uniform at the Marine Corps Birthday Ball. Not something I think most Marines are ready to see or have in their face. That would also mean non-gays would be forced to share rooms with gays. In many of their minds, not much different than forcing a female Soldier to room with a male Soldier. (Are we going to force females to share rooms with men and shower with men - why not? AND DON"T TRY TO CLAIM THIS IS DIFFERENT because to heterosexuals IT ISN'T.

This isn't nearly as simple as most PC individuals would like to portray it. Yes the military leadership will salute smartly and do it if told to, but it will clearly lead to morale issues and Command problems. This is also NOT the same as integrating blacks or women - and it does a disservice to them by comparing it them.

Posted by: dbmn1 | December 2, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

McCain is kook. Has been for awhile. We need to set up a gay-lesbian marriage chapel in the Pentagon and on all military bases.

Posted by: Maddogg | December 2, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I know it doesn't matter anymore, but I would like to have my vote back. I don't know what I was thinking. I respect Mr. McCain for his service and bravery, can't even begin to imagine what he endured - but when everyone else on the planet sees this as no longer an issue, why does he? He asked for a study, he got it. Now he doesn't like the results so he starts dimissing the study? C'mon Mr. McCain it is time to move on. This is wearing very thin.

Posted by: chipgiii | December 2, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an elderly white xenophobe.
His "excuses" are trite, America has been a nation of constant war and will continue to be throughout our lifetimes.
Just look at all the Veterans (including myself) who served in the late 1970s-80s and are now claiming to be warriors of the "Cold War."

Posted by: spinebob1 | December 2, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

mcsame has to be the most reckless, inconsistant sleazball poliitician of this era, someone should give him a dementia test.

Posted by: calif-joe | December 2, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

mark923 wrote....
The vacuousness of you argument is self-evident. This is about advancing the homosexual political agenda at the expense of the effectiveness of the military. I oppose that, as I would oppose advancing ANY group's political cause in a way that harms the military.

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Well, you may be right, but that's not what the report says, based on the results of their survey.

You can look at this as a part of the gay political agenda, or you can look at it as a group of Americans that would like to serve their country just like everyone else. I suppose it's a little of both.

The same arguments were made back when blacks were first allowed to serve. There will always be those in general society, as well as the military, who are bigoted, and to preserve their agenda, will trot out the refrain of military readiness. If gays are not capable of serving honorably, we would already know that. We know that they can, and do, serve honorably. What we don't know is what the affect will be on non-gay military members. The surveys say that the effect will be largely neutral.
For those in the military who would have a problem, I would say "get over it. The right of all Americans to serve their country trumps your "right" to be bigoted".

Posted by: RGee1 | December 2, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Warning: Don't be taken in by Screwjob22, RedskinsReverend and other self-appointed experts who are flat-out making up their claim that the DOD study's findings actually support keeping DADT.

The dead giveaway is the fact that they cite no source for the quotes from the service leaders or any of the statistics. Instead, they simply recycle right-wing talking points because the facts don't support their bigotry.

Ditto for Sen. McCain, I'm sorry to say.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | December 2, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Just like a SPOILED CHILD, McCain makes the rules then when he loses he wants to change them and start over.

Posted by: jmfromdc | December 2, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the Washington Post make the report available in pdf? The online software they're using is weak, unusual, and ineffective.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 2, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain proved while he was a POW that he caved in and spill the beans for better treatment even using his Dad's title in the Military. His fellow soldiers were kept prisoner and weren't given the same treatment as McCain. Now the girly man is talking about troops and combat and who should serve. If McCain had really been a man and needed medical help he wouldn't care if the person was gay or not. Again he's talking out of his butt.

Posted by: qqbDEyZW | December 2, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a total jerk. He has taken every position possible for and against any issue. Maybe McCain is suffering from dementia as the positions he has taken have become so erratic. The issue of DADT has been studied over and over. I guess he just forgot.

Posted by: mtrobt | December 2, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey, XConservative...

I am too. Conservatives can't be trusted to do the right thing. That's why they support Corporate America and let them rape & pillage the economy!

As for me hating you, you couldn't be more wrong! I simply don't trust you. The same way a woman would who has seen a man looking at her a little too intently. Mock me if you wish, but it will roll off of me like rain off of a duck's back!

I used to be insecure about my sexual identity, but it didn't involve me going out & experimenting with the LGBT lifestyle. I know who & what I am - a man!

However, I no longer welcome attention from
the opposite sex because I've been divorced twice. I'm comfortable living with myself. If people don't understand me
and reject me out of the lack of understanding what I'm about, it's their loss...I'm tired of putting their opinions of me above the opinions I hold of myself & beating myself into a bloody emotional pulp! As Gram Parsons (Who I understand was allegedly gay) said in one of his songs..."Love Hurts". If you've never heard it, it's on Nazareth's album "Hair Of The Dog".

Here's to hoping you find the peace you seek...It doesn't have to come from outside of you!

Posted by: theseeker1952 | December 2, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

blasmaic wrote....
Why can't the Washington Post make the report available in pdf? The online software they're using is weak, unusual, and ineffective.
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The report is available on the DOD site in full.

I agree, tho, what WAPOs forum software is poor. Some messages sort, some down, some in a completely different format, some articles have no discussion at all. Funny, tho, their ads seem to have no problem at all showing up as popups, as separate web pages, overlaying parts of the discussion texts, etc.

Posted by: RGee1 | December 2, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Congress should not vote to change military personnel policy during a time of war."

...which means never now that the American economy is addicted to endless war. When was the last time anyone remembers "a time of peace"?

McCain has become a theocon monster of the insipid trailer trash VP candidate he ran with.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

DADT? Bradley Manning, the wikileaks 'leaker' was a gay man in the military unsure of himself and seeking acceptance. The fact that his boyfriend is a drag queen has no bearing on his mental state...perfectly normal, right as rain.

Posted by: twann9852 | December 2, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"If you can't handle serving with gay folks (you already are) leave when your enlistment is up, resign your commission, or don't join if you're not yet serving. This is going to happen,as it should. McCain is flawed."

Okay, so let's turn this around... If you are gay, and you can't possibly serve unless you can be open, then leave when your enlistment is up. Or don't join. Or resign your commission.

It wouldn't happen. So why should people who have an issue with repeal simply do so?

I bet you money repeal won't happen. As it should not, unless and until a true study is done, not some sham study which had pre-determined conclusions written all over it.

And Mullen is full of nonsense. DADT doesn't force anyone to lie. If you are gay, shut and do your job. Just like if you are hetero. Everyone knows from day one you lost a lot of civil rights the civilian population takes for granted when you join. A commander can do all sorts of things that would freak out a civilians (like inspect your off post, non-military housing... Oh yes I can... Or tell you, no, you can't go to that establishment... Or punish you for not paying your bills... Or take away your rank for being disrespectful to a superior, whether NCO or officer... And the list goes on)

If we change the DADT policy (and the laws which support it, including in the UCMJ) and we do it the right way, fine. But this is being done in a rush with no real discussion about the impact.

Repeal will play well in California, NYC, and parts of other urban areas. But you need to consider the consequences of how this will play where most military personnel come from. If you can show that all those pro-repeal folks from California, NYC, and other urban areas are going to start joining the military both to replace the Joes and Janes who may leave over the change and to replace the Joes and Janes who decide not to join, then more power to you and let's get on with it.

This isn't as simple and carefree as you cheerleaders make it out to be.

Posted by: tinytim1234567 | December 2, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Bill1776 is the poster boy for Palin's white-supremacist Jesuslandia.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Since Republicans are determined to have perpetual war, when would be a good time?

Also, McCain is rather pointedly ignoring history: the Army was racially integrated during the Korean War(an actual war delcared by Congress).

He's still trying to be all Tea Party even though the election is over.

Posted by: wd1214 | December 2, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

blasmaic wrote....
Why can't the Washington Post make the report available in pdf? The online software they're using is weak, unusual, and ineffective.
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RGee1 Wrote:
The report is available on the DOD site in full.

I agree, tho, what WAPOs forum software is poor. Some messages sort, some down, some in a completely different format, some articles have no discussion at all. Funny, tho, their ads seem to have no problem at all showing up as popups, as separate web pages, overlaying parts of the discussion texts, etc.

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Agreed... Unimaginable that the WPO has had this awful discussion software & page layout software. And it is not new, this has been for years! I guess they do not like maximizing their social media capabilities.

Oh and John McCain is a doddering old fool who's legacy will be a footnote for sponsoring our centuries Joe McCarthy, Sarah Palin.

Posted by: rcc_2000 | December 2, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

It's really not surprising that John McCain is so hung up over how gays and straights will manage to take showers in the military; the old geezer hasn't even taken a shower with Cindy for over a quarter century!

Posted by: HughBriss | December 2, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, a man of unquestioned former integrity. He was in favor of repeal of DADT, before he was against it. I regret now that he was not nailed during the savings & loan debacle, when he got a pass. At the time, I was pleased by his escape, but given that he has now abandoned every principled position that he once held in his effort to pander to the right-wingers, I see him for what he probably always was---a politician who will do anything and say anything in order to keep his job, and keep his name in the public eye...So sad....

Posted by: marcb1 | December 2, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry John, you haven't been relevant since the 2000 campaign.

Posted by: ozpunk | December 2, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

In McCain's America, it's OK for priests to bugger little boys and for potentially gay TSA agents to fondle our junk but gays in the military have to stay in the closet.

What a disgusting redneck spectacle RepuBPlicans have made of the Country I once loved and volunteered to fight and die for.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"Johnson said repeal of the law should be handled by political leaders and not federal judges, noting that the Pentagon was forced to shift course on the policy twice in the span of eight days by two federal court rulings."
----Excuse me???
McCain is an embaressment and flip flops more than a fish out of water. Time to retire to one of his many homes.

Posted by: tootsie11 | December 2, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If John McCain had any credibility left after the Keating 5 scandal, he lost it when he steered his Presidential campaign into a kamikaze dive by selecting Sarah Palin to lurk just one melanoma away from the Oval Office.

Posted by: HughBriss | December 2, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

McCain is an idiot. Nothing will please him, no matter how many hoops the military brass jumps through. I think he's suffering from a Hanoi Hilton flashback and should undergo a psychological exam. That melanoma he had has affected all of his cognitive reasoning. He's an arse!

Posted by: MPersow | December 2, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh, heterosexuals can have same-gender sexual activity; but, it has to be under certain conditions where there is sexual activity going on.... like at a swingers orgy.

But, if one of those heterosexual men (from the above situation) does not experience same-gender (below the belt & behind the pubic bone) physiological sexual attraction sensations in the presence of THE other men (from the above situation) when they are completely dressed AND he is not even thinking about sex, he can't claim to be homosexual.

Posted by: joe_allen_doty | December 2, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The title should be: McCain flip-flops again. The "challenge" business is just nonsense. It's grandstanding from a petulant loser. We all should be glad we were spared another presidency by run by an overprivileged tyrant.

Posted by: thebuckguy | December 2, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is just as credible on DADT in 2010 as he was on the economy in 2008:

"The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong." "The economy is strong."

Posted by: HughBriss | December 2, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

to quote willie nelson, mcain has outlived his pecker and apparently his good sense too.

Posted by: calif-joe | December 2, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

McCain needs to take the advice of General MacArthur and just fade away. He sounds like a desperate old man chasing kids from his lawn, only instead of kids he's making a mockery of human rights.

Posted by: mstrfly | December 2, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

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This is one of the most representative statistical samples imaginable. Senator McCain certainly understands statistics; he is simply grabbing at any excuse to back pedal to support the bigoted position that DADT should remain law.

Having given money to the pre-Palin presidential campaign for Senator McCain, I must admit that the gentleman from Arizona has lost his bearings in recent years. He is almost as much of an embarrassment for the GOP as former Governor Palin is. A "bigoted troglodyte" is about as kind of an adjective as I can muster at this point for the Senator.

Posted by: Jeff_in_DC | December 2, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

@tinytim1234567, when you say this was all done in a rush, you must have missed the Post's other article which states this has been studied for 50 years with more than 22 studies all saying openly gay soldiers pose no risk. Here's a link:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/11/dont_ask_dont_tell_report_set.html

When you say heterosexuals "shut it and do their job," (and therefore so should gays) this isn't true. I would bet everyone mentions their spouse or someone they're interested in at some point. Perhaps they have a picture with them. It's human nature to mention your life. I'm sure it's helpful. It's pretty much all gays are asking for here and the least we can give a soldier.

Anyway, with all the wars his party has started, McCain's hardly in the position to deny willing military applicants.

Posted by: sarahabc | December 2, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Why in the hell does any intelligent person including Gates, Mullen, and our esteem Congress respond to the Gay's frivolous demand to be able to publicly flaunt their sexual desires on duty in military service. To keep their sexual desires secret is no punishment nor is there any Constitutional provisional right
that grants its citizens to publicly expose themselves and telling the public I like annal sex, oral sex anything sexual, etc, etc. The entire matter is insane over nothing, but in politics anything and nothing is possible because money talks and democracy walks. The "Yes Men" of politics get away with it knowing "a sucker is born every minute"

Posted by: scottdamrose | December 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is a perfect example of Republicans never letting facts get in the way of their strongly held beliefs. No wonder the country stagnated during the Bush Administration.

Posted by: JimZ1 | December 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I just sent the following email to Senator McCain,

Reference: Repealing DADT and troop safety in Afghanistan.

I listened to the last 2 hours of the SASC hearing this morning. However, there was one area I didn't hear brought up - the effect of repealing DADT on our relations with others (especially Afghans) on the battlefield and impact on troop safety.

It appears there has been no consideration of the effect of repealing DADT on troop safety in Afghanistan. Gen. Patraeus’s counter-insurgency doctrine in Afghanistan calls for WINING THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE AFGHAN PEOPLE. Openly gay troops would make this difficult because of the universal extent to which Muslims respect the teachings of the prophet, which declares homosexuality to be an abomination in the sight of God. And thus troop's would be hurt (from lack of local info and cooperation).

Hopefully this could be addressed at the hearing tomorrow.

Thank you very much for your service and all you are doing,

Posted by: ander204 | December 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Ginny Thomas would make a nice couple..."big0t$-R-R Us"!

Posted by: 10bestfan | December 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain doesn't care about this issue, or any other issue for that matter. His only job is to pander to the stupidest people in the country, the ones who re-elected him, the ones who hate gays and Mexicans and 'fureigners' and especially black presidents. Anyone with an ounce of integrity would have quit politics in disgust at what's happened to the Republican party, but not McCain. He just hopes that his idiot followers don't remember when he used to be reasonable two years ago.

Posted by: DaveHarris | December 2, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a senile old fool. He should have retired long ago, and we should do everything possible to encourage him to do so now. What a horrible person he is!

Posted by: nymec | December 2, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I think our top generals are being pressured to say what they're saying.

Posted by: forgetthis | December 2, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a bozo to say the least.

Posted by: Woodstocknative | December 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse


Senator McCain's continued bigotry on DADT comes as no surprise. McCain is a hateful and petty man who hasn't contributed in a meaningful way to American leadership in nearly a decade.

Instead of his heroic Vietnam war record McCain will be remembered for his hateful attitudes and will be compared to Jesse Helms and Adolf Hitler. What a shame.


Posted by: SCOTTSCHMIDTT | December 2, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Many Americans agree with Senator John McCain and support his claim against the survey. The findings should not be used by the Senate and warnings should be issued to the American people because the findings are not valid.

GOP challenge Obama’s repeal of DADT. If this government DADT survey were conducted by a college sophomore, the instructor would rate methods and questions unacceptable to validate any summary findings. Read the question relative to “ability to carry out mission” and the response categories. A response rate of 70% is invalid for little or no effect because the question also included mixed.

U.S. troops responded based on mixed effects on carrying out the mission? Openly gay in the military will have significant effects on the chain of command required to be trained on accommodating openly gays and education non gay troops. Gay rights to be open homosexuals for a small number in the armed forces will disproportionately require massive and costly changes.

The findings of the DADT survey were written and interpreted in political bias for a prescribed outcome that openly gay soldiers will cause little problems for the armed forces. Survey should provided answers to relevant questions such as would you object to sharing a room with an openly gay soldier. Would it make a difference if a member of your platoon was openly gay or DADT?

Responses from more experience soldiers with combat experience and lengthen of time in military service duty should be compared to new recruits and service time under a year. Experience provides a basis for a more realistic and reliable response.

Write Congress to challenge the result of the DADT survey and require testimony from certified research Ph.D.s to evaluate the methodology and validity of survey findings. What are the rights of heterosexuals to file lawsuits against the military for openly gay harassment and violations of sexual privacy?

Posted by: klausdmk | December 2, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Is it any wonder we are bogged down in two military conflicts when our military leaders' top priorities are to legalize homosexuality and promote "diversity?"

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | December 2, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain will never vote for and he should just man up and admit that.

Chambliss is a freak - he plays golf on the dime of the people that have bought him, and once in a while pays attention to what is happening which he seldom understands.

Posted by: Freethotlib | December 2, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Maybe John McCain will finally be able to recognize gay people as human beings when he has a gay grandson. As in the case of another old codger from Arizona: Barry Goldwater!

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/scotts/bulgarians/barry-goldwater.html

Posted by: HughBriss | December 2, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Silencedogoodreturns said:
'Is it any wonder we are bogged down in two military conflicts when our military leaders' top priorities are to legalize homosexuality and promote "diversity?"'

Dead center.
Obama's Yes-Men on parade.
By politicizing this, military gays will suffer, IMO.

Posted by: BluePelican | December 2, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I think DADT should be repealed...eventually.
I question the assertion, though, that no infrastructure changes are required. People cite the integration of women into the military but refuse to acknowledge that they have separate bathing and sleeping facilities. That is because of the possibility of sexual misconduct - nothing else. That is the same reason male TSA officers pat down male passengers while female passengers are patted down by female officers. I don't see how we can treat gay service members differently from heterosexuals by not addressing the possibility of sexual misconduct. Same thing for TSA officers - but that is a different story...

Posted by: chenvertjd | December 2, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain is such a hypocrit. He was alway saying about our wars that we should trust the military to tell us what they need. Now he says they don't know what they are talking about. What a perfect turnaround (i.e. stands for nothing) hack.

Posted by: larry9 | December 2, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"At this time, we should be inherently cautious about making any changes that would affect our military, and what changes we do make should be the product of careful and deliberate consideration," McCain said Tuesday during a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing."
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They've spent more time doing "careful and deliberate consideration" of DADT than they did on whether or not to go to war to look for fake WMDs!

Posted by: jgmann | December 2, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

This report is like a freshman level statistics class. What data and information do you WANT to see???

This "report" has about as much credibility as Obama and his administration. Obama made up his mind and became hel1-bent on what he wanted to do (placating yet another minority interest group) and then directed a so-called report to be constructed to validate his opinion.

For Pete's sake, if Obama had a sack he would just do it. I likely will never agree with the dishonest SOB but at the very least I would say he's got stones. He is still a lying POS, but he has stones.

His waving a report that was pre-ordained with a predetermined outcome is just cheap theatrics.

Posted by: medic2010 | December 2, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has changed his mind and the goal posts so often in this discussion that it's hard to imagine that anyone takes him seriously anymore. I respect his service forty years ago, but enough is enough. It seems obvious that besides believing in the concept and in their own research that the majority of military leaders believe that keeping this policy in place is harming their ability to to be effective. Certainly the number of dedicated, talented members of the military who have been dismissed on these grounds, including those occupying vital positions, is evidence of that. It's difficult to imagine what would satisfy McCain's resistance, which argues strongly for ignoring his protestations. It's not about him.

Posted by: Koko3 | December 2, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

@sarahabc

"@tinytim1234567, when you say this was all done in a rush, you must have missed the Post's other article which states this has been studied for 50 years with more than 22 studies all saying openly gay soldiers pose no risk. Here's a link:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/11/dont_ask_dont_tell_report_set.html

When you say heterosexuals "shut it and do their job," (and therefore so should gays) this isn't true. I would bet everyone mentions their spouse or someone they're interested in at some point. Perhaps they have a picture with them. It's human nature to mention your life. I'm sure it's helpful. It's pretty much all gays are asking for here and the least we can give a soldier.

Anyway, with all the wars his party has started, McCain's hardly in the position to deny willing military applicants."

As for the studies, I've seen more than a few over the years. Your stretching by a far margin to say this has been exhaustively studied in the last 50 years. Homosexuality didn't come "out of the closet" until Stonewall, and even then wasn't really accepted, up to the present. I haven't seen one study that was truly honest and relatively unbiased going either way on the issue.

So back to what you were saying... You are telling me that we are breaking the hearts of brave homosexuals because they can't talk about their lover? Really? All these people can be brave in battle, but melt like a chocolate eclair if they can't talk about every aspect their lives? I thought a person's sexual proclivities or lack thereof was supposed to be no one's business but their own.

I go back to what I said above: when you sign up you lose rights others take for granted. This is being done in a rush with no real discussion about the impact to try and get it down while there is a Democratic majority in both House and Senate to pay off a political consituency. It has nothing to do with military effectiveness.

I repeat, repeal will play well in some places but you need to consider the consequences of how this will play where most military personnel come from.

If all you pro-repeal folks are going to start joining the military both to replace the Joes and Janes who may leave over the change and to replace the Joes and Janes who decide not to join, then more power to you and let's get on with it.

This isn't as simple and carefree as the cheerleaders make it out to be.


Posted by: tinytim1234567 | December 2, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Poor, long lost, John McCain. He is a shadow of the statesman he thought he could have been.

We should all be thankful (twice) that he and whatshername were not elected.

Posted by: hfaulk01 | December 2, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Why is anyone listening to McCain on the issue? He lost credibility 2 or 3 lies ago. We know. He does not want DADT repealed no matter what. If the wars ended tomorrow, he would come up with another stupid reason to keep it in place.

Posted by: ctree | December 2, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Klausdmk, your critique of the study's methodology is so incoherent that it borders on illiterate. In fact, the handful of questions that were not completely neutral actually encouraged respondents to say they fear/dislike gays.

Just admit it: Like Sen. McCain, you simply don't like the fact that the findings demolish every argument for DADT.

Posted by: DCSteve1 | December 2, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell McCain that the Senatorial campaign is over and he has his job for another six years. Maybe then he won't reflexively pander to every whim of the Neolithic wing of the Republican Party. It was bad enough to watch McCain debase himself during the campagin--at least that was normal political hypocrisy. But why is he continuing to do this?

Posted by: gratianus | December 2, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

We have to judge military personnel on their behavior, not their orientation. It's just a complete waste of human resources and our military budget to discharge gay personnel just for being gay. And, let's not forget that simply accusing someone of being gay regardless of whether they are (if you have a grudge) can ruin his or her career.

Posted by: readerny | December 2, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, McCain has gone senile. He doesn't want to change personnel policy "during a time of war." When has there not been "a time of war." The current policy was created "during a time of war."

A couple of years from now, we'll look back and scratch our heads at the stupidity of don't-ask, don't tell, just as we now scratch our heads at the stupidity of separate black units, and keeping women out of the army.

Posted by: rmmadvertising | December 2, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a liar, bigot, and fraud. Where he was once a hero he's now a senile political hack who cares only about himself.

McCain, you won the election. Threw away any respect or morals or character in the process. Now resign and live on your wife's beer money, you fraud. Maybe in time history will remember when you were a hero and forget when you became a lying bigot.

Posted by: lmb02 | December 2, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

DADT? Bradley Manning, the wikileaks 'leaker' was a gay man in the military unsure of himself and seeking acceptance. The fact that his boyfriend is a drag queen has no bearing on his mental state...perfectly normal, right as rain.
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And Adolph Hitler was a Catholic. What's your Fox News addled point?

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Grampy McCain:


You won't go down in history so much as a "war hero" as you will being the last bigot/homophobe to stand in the way of the repeal of DADT.


You'll be the George Wallace of the 21st century.


Don't embarrass your family anymore than you already have, you dumb old man.

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Posted by: DrainYou | December 2, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

When I hear and see Senator McCain now, I'm filled with great sadness - he is no longer a thinking man, but now merely a bundle of angry, reactionary emotions. Perhaps he’s had some strokes or some such? How can someone change that much? I can only imagine what he would have sounded like when Harry Truman integrated the military...

Posted by: jujones1 | December 2, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a hypocritical old homophobe and we all know it. He wants more time to study it or have another study done. The guy does not realize that he is a heartbeat away from having the end of DADT shoved right down his throat. More than 70% of the troops are for it and those who fear the policy change should ask themselves if they are as good as a gay guy.

The last thing anyone in this country should do is listen to anything that John McCain has to say. He may have won the last election that he was in, but he is doing nothing for anyone in his state or the nation. He just shows up and takes a paycheck. The question is this, Does he back up to the pay window so that he doesn't have to show his face, especially considering what he has not done to earn one?

Posted by: ronjeske | December 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Judging from the number of comments on this article, I'd say the issue is far from being a simple one to impliment. By the way, if "history tells us that most of them will put aside personal proclivities" and "We treat each other with respect, or we find another place to work. Period.", then why are their separate facilities for women?

Posted by: peteJ | December 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Replying to:

"If all you pro-repeal folks are going to start joining the military both to replace the Joes and Janes who may leave over the change and to replace the Joes and Janes who decide not to join, then more power to you and let's get on with it.

This isn't as simple and carefree as the cheerleaders make it out to be. Tinytim1234567"

Yes, by all means, let's get on with it! Oops--first, we have to repeal DADT, which you oppose. How convenient!

Posted by: DCSteve1 | December 2, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Most gay I know are liberal Democrats hated the military, are anti-war. Why would gay served in the military when they want to cut the defense budget by 90%?? proud to be straight.

Posted by: Rockvillers | December 2, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Sen. John McCain... what a spineless, two-faced disgrace of a man we have here.

Senator McCain has obviously sold out to whoever is pulling the money strings on his past... and probably future political campaigns.

Maybe he didn't sell out on is own initiation, but it sure looks like somebody bought his vote.

Posted by: MT_Guy | December 2, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Why in the hell does any intelligent person including Gates, Mullen, and our esteem Congress respond to the Gay's frivolous demand to be able to publicly flaunt their sexual desires on duty in military service. To keep their sexual desires secret is no punishment nor is there any Constitutional provisional right
that grants its citizens to publicly expose themselves and telling the public I like annal sex, oral sex anything sexual, etc, etc. The entire matter is insane over nothing, but in politics anything and nothing is possible because money talks and democracy walks. The "Yes Men" of politics get away with it knowing "a sucker is born every minute"

Posted by: scottdamrose
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While I was wearing a uniform to fight and die if necessary for your Constitutional rights, either you or your Neanderthal parents were misled by Fox News propaganda and / or your pastor or priest that all gay "flaunt their sexual desires on duty" or .."publicly expose themselves and telling the public I like annal sex, oral sex anything sexual, etc, etc."

You pretend to be a big expert on the military but your hate spewing is not based on experience nor fact.

Yor're a pathetic, sad little rat ba$tard Palin/McCain homophobe who doesn't deserve the same rights you would deny others.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@SISSD1

The Office of Naval Intelligence (abbreviated ONI) is not NCIS. NCIS stands for Naval Criminal Investigative Service, formerly NIS (Naval Investigative Service)...

Someone in the Navy surely would know this... Hell, even somone who watches TV would know this!

Posted by: jdubyaa | December 2, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

In my experience, homophobics tend to fall into three categories, (1) uninformed people who are ignorant of facts, (2) religious bigots who do not care about facts, or (3) people who have scars from abuse in the past. I don't mean to be indelicate, but has anyone ever asked Senator McCain if he was sexually abused by his torturers in Vietnam? or by anyone else in his childhood?

Posted by: patrickrobbins | December 2, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that McCain in his "old" mind thinks he knows what is good for the US military. He has been away from the real world so long that I think he has lost his once good but not great mind. I sometimes wonder who takes him to work and leads him around, because he has no idea where he is or what he is doing. A once good man who now is just an useless old man.

Posted by: dgates1 | December 2, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bill1776:

"Homosexuals are mentally sick people...."

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Showing your ignorance of endocrinology, reproduction and development.
Sexual orientation is DETERMINED by genotype and hormonal activity. Example: those of us who are reproductive biologists have known for three decades that failure, in males, of a testicular burst of testosterone during a narrow time window around birth results in failure of the hypothalamus of the brain to undergo biochemical masculinization. Males who don't experience that burst will not show male sexual behavior.

You probably belie that God made you in "his?" image (I don't) but if you DO believe that then please understand that the very SAME GOD made gays.

Indeed, ignorance such as yours is more of a mental sickness than being homosexual. THAT is a fact!

Posted by: lufrank1 | December 2, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

First mistake: The repeal did not have a name like Oliver W. Sipple. This marine and Vietnam veteran who saved the life of President Ford in 1975 was gay. He would have given the puch to repeal the respect gay service members need to move forward.

Second mistake: Senator John McCain and others should have been put on the spot by asking their personal views on homosexuality. It would be a trick question.

Third mistake: You conducted a wothless survey. Just because soldiers say no that does not mean you follow their orders.

Fourth Mistake: This back and forth will as Gates correctly pointed out is mute because the court will end what congress can't.

Posted by: jones-allen | December 2, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

whoops! read "believe" instead of "belie" in my previous post.

Posted by: lufrank1 | December 2, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse


THE AUTHOR OF THE REPORT OPPOSES REPEAL. That should tell you silly Dims something. Even the Army general who wrote the report thinks it is a bad idea to repeal DADT.

The blatant fabrication by WaPo hacks who claimed "70 percent" of service members have no problem with open homos in the service is another thing. WaPo leftists got away with this before the report was issued but now that the public can read the entire report from themselves it is clear that the Marines think there would be huge problems introduced by letting homos openly serve.

56.1% of Marines say that just having a known/suspected homo in their unit negatively affects the unit's ability to work together.

Only 39.9 percent of Marines said that having homosexuals in their unit affects morale "not at all".

Posted by: screwjob22 | December 2, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain is well aware that the United States has been at war almost continuously since 1945 whether declared or otherwise. So what he is really saying under no circumstances will he ever agree to repealing DADT.

It's sad to watch this man so dishonor the office he holds. He has flip flopped so much on almost every major public policy issue all in a desperate attempt to show he can become ever more extreme in his views, the republic be damned.

Posted by: Jorg2 | December 2, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I love how people point fingers at others and call them bigots, when they themselves are doing the same thing by calling someone a bigot.

Perhaps it is you, patrickrobbins, who is misinformed and ignorant of facts?

You are so quick to put all religious bigots into one boat! I'm religious and I'm also adamantly in favor or repealing DADT, and passing marriage equality legislation so that homosexual couples can have the same rights as heterosexual couples!

Perhaps keeping your mouth shut would be in your best interest?

Posted by: jdubyaa | December 2, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

“We treat each other with respect, or we find another place to work… [DADT] requires troops to lie about their identity while serving for a military that values integrity.”

Now there's 2 things that scare me the most about repealing DADT: (1) they end up kicking out all the straight guys and we get stuck with a bunch of squealing pansies and (2) talk about "integrity" while a guy is taking it in the a.s.s.?

Nope, that's just sick to me.

It's not that I don't like gays so much as it is that, I don't wanna know if a guy is gay because I don't like that mental picture.

Yuck.


Posted by: lindalovejones | December 2, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

McCain said he was waiting for this review to be finished. It's finished! Do what the Military Brass wants.

Once again John McCain is a prisoner. A prisoner of his own statements and actions. He'll be remembered as the guy who unleashed the leader of the New American Fascist Party, Sarah Palin!

Posted by: thebobbob | December 2, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a troglodyte who would send civilization back into the Dark Ages if he could.

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | December 2, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

As a fellow Naval Academy graduate I think it is time for Senator McCain to quit pretending he is up to date with the military and its current views.

I can respect his service but no one appointed him as Commander in Chief nor did anyone elect him so his opinion is just that his opinion!

Reality is we should not be ruled by polls regardless of subject matter but what the law is and how it is enforced!

Sec Def and Chairman have spoken let Congress do their job for a change!

Posted by: satch63 | December 2, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Wait till the military makes their decision. The did.

McCain is a old fart hypocite.

Posted by: sherardg | December 2, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain, like most politicians, wants his interests served quickly. If, however, it is something that he doesn't like, slowing it down until next century would be fast enough. The Pentagon has issued its findings, Adm. Mullen and SecDef Gates are in agreement. We should enter the 21st century and join other countries whose policies allow gay personnel to serve with honor. Let all of our citizens who want to serve do so without having to tell lies or have fear of being dishonorably discharged.

Posted by: sober1 | December 2, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain, like most politicians, wants his interests served quickly. If, however, it is something that he doesn't like, slowing it down until next century would be fast enough. The Pentagon has issued its findings, Adm. Mullen and SecDef Gates are in agreement. We should enter the 21st century and join other countries whose policies allow gay personnel to serve with honor. Let all of our citizens who want to serve do so without having to tell lies or have fear of being dishonorably discharged.

Posted by: sober1 | December 2, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Simply put John McCain has now become a liar and hypocrite. Before he said that he would go along with the report, now he dismisses it. Hmm. It is good thing he was not elected President, liars and hypocrites never make good Presidents. Right now, conservative or Tea Party member, you really don't know where McCain stands on anything. What a shame.

Posted by: RedRat | December 2, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, if this isn't the definition of hubris, I don't know what is. Apparently, Senator McCain knows better than JCOS and an overwhelming majority of service members what their best interests are.

Posted by: nickprzy | December 2, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, as with most Republicans are voting with self interests at hand - his reason for such discriminatory bias resides within as a member is gay. His wife supports the cause but McCain is of the old school and needs to go. He deserves credit for his military service and POW status, but he is against the grain. Those now in the military esp of the younger ages both enlisted and officer have no problem with the issue - jobs are done, men and women can be depended upon in combat, etc. The bill needs to be passed by Congress and not be a Judge as will occur. It is really the Fundamentalist Religious group that has not use for those men and women who are homosexual and they are wrong!

Posted by: davidmswyahoocom | December 2, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I would suggest that Senator McCain learn from the writings of George Santayana on this matter:

"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."

George Santayana, Life of Reason (1905) vol. 1, Introduction.

Posted by: cseon | December 2, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what McCain does or does not dismiss. He has become a spiteful old fool, who has lost credibility, and just continues to be an irritant in his egotistical search for publicity in the same category as Palin and Beck. He is not aging gracefully - and he should step back or be remembered as a buffoon who went out leaving scratch marks.

Posted by: skolniks | December 2, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

In my experience, homophobics tend to fall into three categories, (1) uninformed people who are ignorant of facts, (2) religious bigots who do not care about facts, or (3) people who have scars from abuse in the past. I don't mean to be indelicate, but has anyone ever asked Senator McCain if he was sexually abused by his torturers in Vietnam? or by anyone else in his childhood?

Posted by: patrickrobbins | December 2, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

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It's a good question.

Does a man who was sexually abused by a homosexual when he was a child have a right to serve in the military?

If so, must he disclose that abuse to explain himself to others in his platoon, who may otherwise verbally or socially harass him for not being pro-gay?

How should the military accommodate recruits and soldiers who cannot function effectively if they are forced to sleep, bathe, and dress in areas that gays are not restricted from?

Posted by: blasmaic | December 2, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Every news article where one can leave comments and where the subject is DADT seems to have a preponderance of gays telling us what a bigot McCain is and how wrong DADT is. They also tell us that those who prefer to not associate with gays are obviously either ignorant or ill informed.

But look at it this way, a subject brought up in the media a few weeks ago told us about the large percentage of young boys who have been sexually abused by adult males. Consider the emotional trauma left by these experiences. It would stand to reason that these boys would associate their bad experiences with homosexuality. It would stand to reason that these boys who are now men would quite strongly choose to not associate with homosexuals. It doesn’t matter whether the abusers were gay or not, the human psyche is bound to make the association. In these cases, it’s not about being ignorant or ill informed, it’s very much deeper than that.

In the long run, we’re talking about choice, it’s about whether boys just out of high school choose to, or choose to not join an organization that is openly homosexual. As McCain points out, the repeal of DADT will result in men who would otherwise join the military choosing to not join. Note: There’s also that other group who would strongly object to joining an openly homosexual organization, and that’s the group, a rather large group, who object for religious reasons. And by the way, you can’t call people of any religion ignorant, not unless you call people of every religion ignorant.

Posted by: kcooper35 | December 2, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Big News Here -----

John McCain shows his true colors again....

I do not understand how he has managed to fool so many people for so long - must have a talent for that!

Ask his first wife about what sort of person he is.

Ask Sarah what kind of person he is.

If they could speak openly we would all see his true colors for what they are - a self aggrandizing, me first, money grubbing, power hungry, spotlight loving kind of guy. A guy who is not fit to lick the boots of any real Vet, one who really fought in the war.

Just the kind of person one hope one's daughter will bring home for dinner.

The country will be better off when the voters in Arizona come to their collective sense and vote this old windbag out of office.

Posted by: dotto | December 2, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I believe that homosexual acts are immoral. But I also believe that any sex outside of marriage, using the Lord's name in vain or drinking to excess is immoral and these sins certainly do not disqualify anyone from the military. If a gay person is willing to die to defend my right to be a devout Christian (or not) God bless him/her and all other members of our military.

Posted by: fedupwtaxes | December 2, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain is the same type of old-fashioned, unreasoning bigot regarding homosexuality as the worst Jim-Crow
Southern Segregationist would have been
regarding African Americans. "Don't show me the fact," he says, "because I have my 'BELIEFS.'" And giving the standard response that "now is not the time" is same-oh, same-oh, a tired old Bigot line. I served 4 years, "hidden" 35 years ago. That my country is STILL having this absurd "debate" now astounds. Why does anyone get to "vote" on my civil rights? Pathetic, old man.

Posted by: ymeaberk | December 2, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"I have talked to several people in the military, and most do not favor a repeal, but keeping the status quo. This whole exercise stinks of PC gone stupid."

Here's the problem with ignorant, moralizing hicks who didn't go to college. They don't realize the difference between anecdotes and scientifically valid studies. IE: Just b/c a few of your equally ignorant friends in the military feel the same way about homosexuality as you do, it doesn't mean that a majority does. Way to prove your own stupidity.

Posted by: nickprzy | December 2, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, you're half right, anyway, Screwjob (which is a much higher percentage than usual). One of the two authors of the report did say that he personally opposes repeal. But he ALSO said that he completely supports the study's finding that DADT can and should be repealed without disrupting military operations.

Facts are such inconvenient things, aren't they?!

Posted by: DCSteve1 | December 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

CRAZY - Toys in the addict - he is CRAZY!

Posted by: Raptoraddict | December 2, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Got God Gang

YES KEEP IT AS IS

" DON'T ASK DON'T TELL "

we need to get america out of this matriarch society mindset

psalm 127

read on....

Posted by: wjkx999 | December 2, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

McCain is not a homophobe. He just doesn't want Obama to get credit for repealing this law. It's a childish prank from a dottering 80 year old washed up politician.

Next thing we know he will want a poll of servicemen about doing push-ups, or going into combat.

Posted by: tmcproductions2004 | December 2, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Every news article where one can leave comments and where the subject is DADT seems to have a preponderance of gays telling us what a bigot McCain is and how wrong DADT is."

You just proved your ignorance by assuming everyone against DADT is gay. I'm straight, have an honorable discharge, and would love to see DADT stricken. It's an abomination in what is supposedly a "free" society.

Posted by: nickprzy | December 2, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What makes McCain so rotten is the fact that I am not sure that he believes what he is saying. It's not like he is some religious nut who has believed this during his entire life. It's some kind of a calculated move, so that he can win the next election, which is when he will pass Thurmond, another fine servant, for oldest senator ever (I know, he's not...).

Posted by: sharedgum | December 2, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kcooper35 :

"...subject brought up in the media a few weeks ago told us about the large percentage of young boys who have been sexually abused by adult males. Consider the emotional trauma left by these experiences. It would stand to reason that these boys would associate their bad experiences with homosexuality. "

And adult males do not abuse young girls and they do not suffer trauma for that?

So sexual abuse, in your view, is only a homosexual thing?

So in your view only homosexuals can not control their sexual impulse?

Tell that to the parents of sexual abused girls you fool!


Posted by: dotto | December 2, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

As the nation's only transgender Army Officer in my view, Mr. Mc Cain's comments are irrelevant.

He is simply posturing to the Republican Tea Bag right.

Anyone who who would select Palin for VP has questionable judgement at best and is moronic at worst!

Posted by: mjorbach1 | December 2, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"WaPo leftists"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That's like saying Goebels was pro-Isreali. YOU F-ING IDIOT!

Posted by: nickprzy | December 2, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has now proven himself to be a self-serving LIAR and totally unresponsive to the will of the people. Out of his own mouth he stands convicted of lying in his teeth when he said he would go along with the military recommendations re: DADT. He and his regressive Republi-WON'T Party of NO! have shown themselves to be recalcitrant, obstructive, "My way, or the Highway" demi-gods who will allow NOTHING to move forward in the new Congress for the next two years. I hope they live long enough to have SERIOUS regret over what they are inflicting on the American people. A POX on them and ALL that stand with them!

Posted by: billnbillieskid | December 2, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

kcooper35- your logic doesn't stand. If someone was abused as a boy by a pedophile who, as you said, could have been straight or gay, and is afraid of being abused again by a male, then I think the close quarters of the military might not be the best place for this traumatized man.

I think that the simple fact that the rmed services have discharged dsperately needed Arabic translators because they were gay is putting soldiers and the public in harms way.


Posted by: wingedlizard | December 2, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain is on the wrong side of history. He should be pitied for his prejudice and ignorance. DADT will go away and, so too, will the prejudice that has kept it in place. The only issue is how long it will take.

Posted by: anonymous5 | December 2, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

"we need to get america out of this matriarch society mindset"

Way to show you know absolutely nothing about gender identity. There are a ton of gay men who actually can't stand the female gender. Hence the reason they're gay. And could kick your a$$.

Posted by: nickprzy | December 2, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

GUESS MCCAIN DOESN'T HAVE AN OPEN MIND. IT'S HIS WAY OR THE HIGHWAY

Posted by: hsolares | December 2, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

For someone who pretends to disapprove of homosexuality, McCain, in his old age, has come to love puffing on the pickles of his theocon base.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sirs,
There is an old saying that beggars cannot be choosers.
The military has always been less strict, during wartime, in accepting new recruits.
Senator Mccain, repeatedly, has been asking for federal troops to restore law and order in Arizona.
Does he want Arizona to screen those troops?
Clifford Spencer

Posted by: yankeefan1925 | December 2, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

""But the real issue is many Americans consider this behavior wrong and will never support this change. "

Actually nearly every poll taken on the subject shows that around 75% of those polled do support ending DADT.

The numbers are around 90% for those under 30."

And precisely how many of those are willing to strap on serious weaponry and put themselves in harm's way for the good of the US? That is the big question...

Posted by: dflinchum | December 2, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Here’s an inconvenient “dot” the news media don’t want to connect: The intel analyst who is accused of what might be the largest leak in history of US military secrets, Bradley Manning, came out of the closet in the Army. He hated the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy (although he knew the rules when he enlisted). Manning’s motivation for betrayal of his country via the anti-US WikiLeaks likely had as much to do with his sexuality as it did his claimed desire to expose alleged wartime scandals.

From Wikepedia: “According to The New York Times, Manning spent his early childhood in Oklahoma with his father and, while staying with his mother in southwest Wales as a teenager. Manning enlisted in the United States Army to become an intelligence analyst and was deployed with a support battalion with the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division at Contingency Operating Station Hammer, Iraq. … The New York Times article [said] that in Wales “classmates made fun of him for being gay,” that former neighbors in Oklahoma described the young Manning as “opinionated beyond his years about politics, religion, and even about keeping religion out of politics,” and that in the Army, Manning's “social life was defined by the need to conceal his sexuality under ‘don't ask, don’t tell’.” [S]ometime in 2008, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, Manning became “part of a social circle that included politically motivated computer hackers and his boyfriend, a self-described drag queen. So when his military career seemed headed nowhere good, Private Manning, 22, turned increasingly to those friends for moral support.… Before being arrested, Manning had been demoted from Specialist to Private First Class for assaulting another soldier and was to be discharged early.”

This misfit never should’ve been allowed to enlist; worse, he was granted a security clearance (probably Top Secret). If the Senate Democrats’ misguided effort fails and DADT survives, can we expect other Bradley Mannings to retaliate?

Posted by: AbnRanger | December 2, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank God we don't have McCain as our President. With all the problems this country has, we would be living in the dark ages as well.

Posted by: softjazz41 | December 2, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

In my experience, homophobics tend to fall into three categories, (1) uninformed people who are ignorant of facts, (2) religious bigots who do not care about facts, or (3) people who have scars from abuse in the past. I don't mean to be indelicate, but has anyone ever asked Senator McCain if he was sexually abused by his torturers in Vietnam? or by anyone else in his childhood?

Posted by: patrickrobbins | December 2, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

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It's a good question.

Does a man who was sexually abused by a homosexual when he was a child have a right to serve in the military?

If so, must he disclose that abuse to explain himself to others in his platoon, who may otherwise verbally or socially harass him for not being pro-gay?

How should the military accommodate recruits and soldiers who cannot function effectively if they are forced to sleep, bathe, and dress in areas that gays are not restricted from?

Posted by: blasmaic
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Recruits and soldiers are supposed to be big boys or girls. I was raped by a priest at 14 and served honorably as an officer without revealing it or going out with the "guys" on Saturday night to beat up people coming out of gay bars. I don't follow your logic at all.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone take anything John MCain has to say seriously? Wasn't McCain who hand picked Sarah Palin yo be his running mate? How did that work out? Wasn;t McCain who suspended his campaign to go Wshington to deal with the Financial Crisis. Isnt it the same John McCain to suppoted Sharon Angle Crazy Sharon Angle against Harry Reid>.
MCain has NO Creditability He should have gone to jail with the Kaeting Five. If he was not a Prisoner of War in Nam he would have no claim to fame whatsoever It is plain ole DISCRIMINATION to continue this Policy. Its an all volunteer army lets those who dont want to serve with Gays leave when ther terms are up.

Posted by: Carprin | December 2, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

July 1947, four of five enlisted men told the Army that they would oppose blacks serving in their units even if whites and blacks didn't share housing or food facilities.

How we have progressed in 63 years,
or have we!

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal

American Declaration of Independence.
July 4th. 1776.

Words just hollow Words.

Posted by: computehinds | December 2, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Your a disgrace McCain, a hack sellout, shame

Posted by: Chops2 | December 2, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

John McCain has gone from a hero to Just another senile old S.O.B. who should retire. It must be sad for his wife to watch his decline into a laughing stock.

Posted by: fred2fat | December 2, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain believes "Congress should not vote to change military personnel policy during a time of war." It follows that if policy already allowed soldiers to be openly gay, McCain would oppose conservative calls to change it. But would he? I think not. His argument rings hollow.

Posted by: PaulinMaryland | December 2, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Of course John McCain dismisses the report---and he'll continue to do so until there's a report that agrees with HIM. Sorry John, but you lost your cred with me the day you chose Palin as your running mate.

Posted by: cbyebyefraser | December 2, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, who finished at the bottom of his class at Annapolis, is telling men who are his superiors in rank and intelligence how they should carry out their duties. I was a combat Marine in WWII and, as a fellow-Marine, am ashamed of his behavior. As far as I am concerned, inflicting Sarah Palin on the politics of the United States for the Vice Presidency(!) solely for the purpose of stimulating his lackluster campaign was as much an act of disloyalty as the work of a foreign spy with infinitely more danger to the future well-being of the people of our country.

Posted by: jebron1 | December 2, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain is just another hypocrite and liar. He has no honor. He has no integrity. And apparently he has no shame.

Posted by: bigbrother1 | December 2, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Tough to find a more disgraceful, deceitful, and dishonest member of Congress than this guy.

Outside his obvious heroic performance as a POW, this guy was one of the most failed Navy officers I have ever heard of.

To give any credence to his opinions on military morale and unit cohesion are akin to getting marriage advice from Newt Gingrich.

Can anybody recall a Member of Congress who has fallen so far, so fast, without breaking the law?

Posted by: SwellLevel5 | December 2, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain states he always asked enlisted men about the conditions of service and how they are addressed.

What did the enlisted men on the aircraft carrier think about 'hot dog Lt McCain' who intentionally caused his jet to backfire resulting in a bomb being dropped off the wing of a jet directly behind him in line to launch off of that carrier resulting in fire, wounding and death to fellow sailors?

McCain was transferred to another aircraft carrier because his daddy was an admiral.

McCain is said to have 'hot dogged' once too often as he disobeyed his flight leader
and did not break off of his sortie for which he, McCain, got shot down over Hanoi!
The admiral had no influence over North Vietnamese gunners.

McCain's conduct as a POW was the reason to NOT prosecute any of the POW's for actions detrimental to his fellow POW's. His daddy was an admiral.

Supposedly, this was done by a vote.

Bottom line? Would you rather be a homosexual or a reckless turncoat?

Don't ask don't tell my ass.

Posted by: vpocv | December 2, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse


McCain said he would wait until the report was finished and that was just what he did. Now we have seen what crap the report is. The report did not recommend that Don't Ask Don't Tell be repealed and it did not even address the issue; from the beginning of this study it started with the assumption that DADT will be repealed.

Even one of the two authors an Army general, does not think DADT should be repealed.

Not only that but 56.1% of Marines said having an open or suspected homo in their unit would have a negative or very negative affect on Morale.


Posted by: screwjob22 | December 2, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

It is kind of like saying people with red hair can't serve. It is kind of like telling them you can serve but you can't eat. Or say you can serve but don't tell anyone that you eat anchovy pizza. You can pick your nose in private but don't let anyone see you...

Posted by: Wildthing1 | December 2, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

There is only one logical reason for his opposition to repealing DADT: McCain is gay and doesn't want to tell. John, you're retired from the military, your secret is safe.

Posted by: DemoDevil | December 2, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

During the campaign debates against Obama Senator McCain never had his own position on national security issues he would always said he would 'listen to general Patreaus' or 'general Patreaus told me' (0ne would have thought they were dating given how McCain would always just do what Patraeus wanted). Perhaps if general Patraeus tells him it's alright then he will go along.

Posted by: lemondog | December 2, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

War, what war, was there a resolution of war declared that I missed, who are we at war with??? If it is a war against terror where is terror and who is the official leader... as it is it seems to be ongoing like the cold war and no end in sight just bankrupcy. And war itself is a sickness...

Posted by: Wildthing1 | December 2, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain : 'speaking from experience" how long will he attempt to milk his service to gain a political advantage ? What a sad and pathetic excuse for a human being he has become. The degradation of John McCain should be a cautionary tale for anyone involved in the political game. This is the man remember who selected Sarah Palin as THE most qualified citizen to be Commander in Chief ..and HE is concerned about the welfare and readiness of our troops. He makes me want to vomit! Shame on John McCain!

Posted by: jakaileb | December 2, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Adm Mullen must have been easily influenced during has days as a Rear Admiral. Apparently he still thinks with his rear.

Posted by: ioweioweoff2workigo | December 2, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain - What is stupid, is kicking people out of the military during a "time of war" because they are not heterosexual.

The reality - there are gays serving in the military. They are volunteers. They, presumably, are doing their jobs. Their sexual preference should not be used as a reason to kick them out. That only weakens our forces.

Other countries take a more practical view - "If they are willing to risk their life in defense of the country, that should be good enough."

Chill out John. You won your election. You are not going to run again. Chill out.

Posted by: ReasonableGuy | December 2, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I truly believe that all politicians that have taken an oath of office to uphold the Constitution of the US should immediately be removed from office if they do not call for civil rights equality for all Americans regarding the issue of service in the Armed forces. The LGBTI community has been in service in the Armed forces since this the very birth of this Nation and some of the founding fathers still owned slaves while penning the Constitutional document! It is time in this twenty-first century to cease the hypocrisy which this Nation has been founded upon, and finally practice the values She has survived to exclaim proudly!

Posted by: soshljustic | December 2, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

A man without honor - McCain should go home and retire.

Posted by: Freethotlib | December 2, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

McCain has changed his tune once the report has come in. He is catering to a far-right, bigoted constituency which views LGBT people in the same way the Nazis viewed Jews--as subhuman.

I'm glad McCain didn't make it to the presidency--he prostituted himself when he accepted Sarah Palin as a running mate, and he repeatedly prostitutes himself in the Senate. He has destroyed any remnants of integrity he has. He is not a man of his word--just a man of expediency.

Posted by: carlianschwartz | December 2, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Here’s an inconvenient “dot” the news media don’t want to connect: The intel analyst who is accused of what might be the largest leak in history of US military secrets, Bradley Manning, came out of the closet in the Army. He hated the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy (although he knew the rules when he enlisted). Manning’s motivation for betrayal of his country via the anti-US WikiLeaks likely had as much to do with his sexuality as it did his claimed desire to expose alleged wartime scandals.

Posted by: AbnRanger
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John Anthony Walker was heterosexual in the Navy and spied for the Soviets from 1968 to 1985. He provided the Soviets with more than 1,000,000 encrypted naval messages. So according to your logic all heterosexual white males should not serve either as there could be a danger that they would spy for the enemy .

Posted by: daburge | December 2, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Come on Senator, the military has changed since you and I served in the '60's In the Navy of today you'd get a dishonorable discharge for what used to normally go on during a 3 day port call in Subic Bay. No need to worry about it any more, the statute of limitations has run out on that episode that made you so homophobic.
The servicemen and women of today don't worry if there were gays or Jews in the wardroom or (shudder) in Bancroft Hall at goode olde Canoe U like our generation or the generations before us. Let them decide what's right for them and if they don't mind, I don't mind and neither should you Mr. Maverick

Posted by: NICKYNUNYA | December 2, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Here’s an inconvenient “dot” the news media don’t want to connect: The intel analyst who is accused of what might be the largest leak in history of US military secrets, Bradley Manning, came out of the closet in the Army. He hated the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy (although he knew the rules when he enlisted). Manning’s motivation for betrayal of his country via the anti-US WikiLeaks likely had as much to do with his sexuality as it did his claimed desire to expose alleged wartime scandals.
Posted by: AbnRanger | December 2, 2010 5:15 PM
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John Anthony Walker was heterosexual in the Navy and spied for the Soviets from 1968 to 1985. He provided the Soviets with more than 1,000,000 encrypted naval messages. So according to your logic all heterosexual white males should not serve either as there could be a danger being a spy.

Posted by: daburge | December 2, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Why has the 911 war proved endless? We could with justification blame clueless presidents who cannot distinguish between tactics & strategy - the clueless, misinformed, misdirected, dysfunctional lost society we have become - the reasons are many. Why not start with failure of citizenship, duty, and our oath of allegiance to our flag?

To begin finding our way back to duty, honor, country - why not voice our demand for the reinstatement of a US national military draft? Every able person of military age serves - gay or not.

Posted by: blithe_spirit | December 2, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Why has the 911 war proved endless? We could with justification blame clueless presidents who cannot distinguish between tactics & strategy - the clueless, misinformed, misdirected, dysfunctional lost society we have become - the reasons are many. Why not start with failure of citizenship, duty, and our oath of allegiance to our flag?

To begin finding our way back to duty, honor, country - why not voice our demand for the reinstatement of a US national military draft? Every able person of military age serves - gay or not.

Posted by: blithe_spirit | December 2, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Best post of the day. Bears reposting. Thanks Nicky. I'm a 24 year vet and couldn't have said it better.

________________________

Come on Senator, the military has changed since you and I served in the '60's In the Navy of today you'd get a dishonorable discharge for what used to normally go on during a 3 day port call in Subic Bay. No need to worry about it any more, the statute of limitations has run out on that episode that made you so homophobic.
The servicemen and women of today don't worry if there were gays or Jews in the wardroom or (shudder) in Bancroft Hall at goode olde Canoe U like our generation or the generations before us. Let them decide what's right for them and if they don't mind, I don't mind and neither should you Mr. Maverick

Posted by: NICKYNUNYA |

Posted by: arancia12 | December 2, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Its time to give up the sham of oppressive histrionics. We have all witnessed abstinence makes the church grow fondlers which the poke I mean pope ratzinger has covered up and protected plenty men from prosecution from and paid out millions in claims for in abuses and molestations. It is time to let go of the Right politcal hold on perceived deviance by keeping the church in your back pocket as a shining example of that deviance, used simply to oppress the whole of the LGBTI community. The right outta be ashamed of themselves for this centuries old tactic merging church and politics for the sole use of oppression while trying to maintain a holier than thou and moral image. Truly Disgusting and wholeheartedly immoral, I never was taught that in sunday school!

Posted by: soshljustic | December 2, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

john mccain, profile in nihilism

Posted by: lichtme | December 2, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

It is my belief that Cindy McCain should have her husband evaluated for Dementia. He can't recall his previous promises. He changes his stance as often as he changes his underwear.
Get over it John. In the words of your former running mate, MAN UP and just do it! Everybody is on the same page on this, now it's time for you, too, to overcome your homophobia and bias to vote yea on the repeal of DADT.

Posted by: MCunningham122 | December 2, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Who made John McCain Dictator of the USA? Poor John doesn't know that there are already gay service members serving honorably (and actually did when he served too!). He needs to be retired. Arizona wake up!

Posted by: Sherry91 | December 2, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I remember hearing McCain on NPR stating that Congress should wait for the report before making any decisions on DADT. At the time, he did not have any problems with either the scope of the report or the questions on the survey. But now that the report is out, because it did not tell him what he (or the Republican base) wants to hear, he questions the validity of the survey and the subsequent conclusions.

He is not demented. He is merely a bigot.

Posted by: herman50 | December 2, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Congress should not vote to extend tax cuts to the rich "during a time of war" - especially not to those who can't remember they have 13 houses

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Why has the 911 war proved endless?

Because Lord Cheney addicted the American economy to endless war (like America is addicted to suckling the teats of our Muslim "enemies" for oil) and deer-in-the-headlights Obama doesn't know how to stop it.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Why has the 911 war proved endless?

Ask Palin, Rove, Gringrinch, AIPAC and Israel.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

DADT is a social dinosaur, on its way to extinction. The end of DADT is not uncertain, it is inevitable, the same as integration of the military and allowing women in combat. The only choice for our leaders is do you take action and manage this change, or do you continue to deny the inevitable and have this change imposed on you.

True to their past behaviors, many of our leaders appear to be choosing denial and delay. They are reluctant to go against the prejudice of their constituents and mask this using the same old tactics of more studies, more time, a clearer consensus. Once again, leadership is the quality our leaders seem to be most lacking.

Posted by: williamhn | December 2, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Suck those theocon pickles a little harder, old man. We won't ask if don't tell.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

It appears that the Republcans, led by Senator McCain of Arizona, once again as they have done over the past two years, prefer to do nothing they are not forced to do by exigent circumstances. The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy is an "elephant in the Room" that has caused the military to lose some good military people either through the front door or the back. Even Gen. Mullen acknowledged he fought along with military gays as far back as VietNam; this reality does not appear to have harmed him, his peers, or the U. S. Military since that time. By legislating away this law, enlistment numbers will rise. President Obama, Secretary Gates, General Mullen, and via a survey of current military members - all have indicated the repeal of this law will not adversely impact military operations. This law, which goes against American values, will cease to exist, either legislatively, by court orders, or by an executive order by President Obama. It is only a matter of time.

Posted by: dr_geprice | December 2, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, is one of the most hypocritical and pathetic individuals on God's earth. McCain for the last several years has become a daily joke, especially since he landed Grizzly Palin on America. One of the former first lady's Barbara Bush, should call McCain and tell him to stay in Texas while Grizzly stays in Alaska. These two individuals are really sad. McCain changes his mind more than he probably baths, one minute he is a Maverick and next he does NOT remember ever saying he was a Maverick; and then of course in 2006 he said when the leaders of our arm forces say that we should repeal DADT, then he will back that plan but now he says the leader have never been in the arm forces when one severed at the same time he did. McCain has no compassion and/or integrity and all we have to do is remember how he treated his first wife when he returned from being a POW, she had stuck by him but had a near fatal car accident and this ugly man had the nerve to drop her. He picked up with the current wife before he was even divorced. Now ask yourself is he anything one should brad about...HELL NO he isn't, has Boehner would say. Republicans are truly devils in deguise of humans.

Posted by: netstoy | December 2, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, is one of the most hypocritical and pathetic individuals on God's earth. McCain for the last several years has become a daily joke, especially since he landed Grizzly Palin on America. One of the former first lady's Barbara Bush, should call McCain and tell him to stay in Texas while Grizzly stays in Alaska. These two individuals are really sad. McCain changes his mind more than he probably baths, one minute he is a Maverick and next he does NOT remember ever saying he was a Maverick; and then of course in 2006 he said when the leaders of our arm forces say that we should repeal DADT, then he will back that plan but now he says the leader have never been in the arm forces when one severed at the same time he did. McCain has no compassion and/or integrity and all we have to do is remember how he treated his first wife when he returned from being a POW, she had stuck by him but had a near fatal car accident and this ugly man had the nerve to drop her. He picked up with the current wife before he was even divorced. Now ask yourself is he anything one should brad about...HELL NO he isn't, has Boehner would say. Republicans are truly devils in deguise of humans.

Posted by: netstoy | December 2, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Hog wash. Look at the San Francisco gay pride parade if you want to know what a military parade will look like in the future!

No thanks! McCain is correct. No openly gays in the military. Their perversion knows no bounds.

Posted by: greatgrandmasue | December 2, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Why does anyone pay attention to anything McCain says?

He is a has been and a fool.

Posted by: janye1 | December 2, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain should be repealed

Posted by: woody3691 | December 2, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

SISSD1,
Under the new policy gays having oral sex on a ship would still be taken off, just as two heterosexuals having oral sex would. The only difference is that now someone who is obeying the rules and doing their job will not be removed simply for letting it be known they are gay.

McCain is an idiot, I thought everyone knew that by now, especially after his superb VP pick two years ago, which he still defends against all evidence.

Posted by: Fate1 | December 2, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Famous gay or bi military leaders:

Alexander the Great
Alcibiades
Julius Caesar
Mark Antony

They did pretty good in their time.

McCain, deal with it.

Posted by: woody3691 | December 2, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Famous gay or bi military leaders:

Alexander the Great
Alcibiades
Julius Caesar
Mark Antony

They did pretty good in their time.

McCain, deal with it.

Posted by: woody3691 | December 2, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

For liberals, gays in the military is a win-win proposition. Either gays in the military works, or it wrecks the military, both of which outcomes they enthusiastically support.

But since you brought up gays in the military, liberals, let's talk about Wikileaks spy Bradley Manning.

He apparently released hundreds of thousands of classified government documents as a result of being a gay man in "an awkward place."

Who knew ?

Posted by: pvilso24 | December 2, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

"Hog wash. Look at the San Francisco gay pride parade if you want to know what a military parade will look like in the future!"
Posted by: greatgrandmasue


Yea, and how about all the gay policemen? What if the pulled me over? And the gay stewards and stewardesses on planes, I will never fly again its so terrible. And the gays at the checkout counter at the grocery store make me want to return the food. Oh, and the gay construction workers make me wonder how they can get straight lines right. And please, gay waiters? That is why I always ask anyone I see whether they are gay or not, because I know they will not do their jobs well. I just need them to tell me whether they are gay or not to know whether they are doing a good job because, really, its hard to tell.


The good news is that, like racism, fear of gays, which McCain expresses so well, is slowly disappearing over time. This nation is slowly but surely moving closer toward its Constitutional values. There is a lot to be sad about these days, but its worth noting that America has been and will continue to make progress, slow, but progress none the less, toward equality for all and disdain for those who would deny equality based on fears of their own making.

Posted by: Fate1 | December 2, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I believe that the report regarding gays in the military is skewed to help Obama to discontinue the don't ask, don't tell policy. McCain is right; these major changes should not take place during times of war. Too much of an issue is made of this. If the gays are not comfortable with their present situation in the military, let them go and do something else that they might be happy with.

Posted by: Tommypie | December 2, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The comment on the gay pride parade in San Fran is laughable. If you really want to distort the millions of gay Americans by identifying them with arguably the most radical dressers, etc you could say the same about the most radical, idnotant pro war military zealots. Thankfully neither picure is correct. Gays in the military are there to do a job honorably. Let them. McCain used to be able to say he stood behind the military. Now, he stands for only fearmongering and distortion of facts. Even his own wife has come out against his bigotted stance.

Posted by: cadam72 | December 2, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"He apparently released hundreds of thousands of classified government documents as a result of being a gay man in "an awkward place." "
Posted by: pvilso24

So, are you saying that if he were straight the reason he leaked might be because he was straight? Or are you saying that when you discriminate those who are discriminated against might do things you do not like?

Posted by: Fate1 | December 2, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

USMCre11. Let me tell you that both Gates and Admiral Mullen have 10 times the military srvice that you have. Research both men on the web and find out for yourself--that is if you are smart enough.

Goldenwren

Posted by: goldenwren | December 2, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain has gone from a war hero to a totally disgusting man.

Posted by: kevin1231 | December 2, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain, as well as many other Senators and Congressmen, is living in the past. Our youth today(those about 25 and under) are used to having peers and friends who are gay. They've played on the same sports teams, attended the same classes, gone to the same parties, and it's not an issue. McCain and others of his ilk are still sipping drinks at the old clubhouse.

These older Senators and Congressmen (not all, of course) haven't adapted to the new American society nor do they understand how the world has changed. It's shows in their approach to the economy, world peace, healthcare, climate change, etc. These McCain types just don't keep up with the times. My guess is that they don't try. It's a shame President Obama has to deal with this bunch, especially at at time when new and creative ideas are needed to solve the many critical issues facing all of us.

Posted by: Eugene23 | December 2, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

TO REPLY TO:I have talked to several people in the military, and most do not favor a repeal, but keeping the status quo. This whole exercise stinks of PC gone stupid. The fact also remains that most gay people in the military don't have to say anything about their sexual orientation, the guys and gals who do not partake in this life style already can tell. These gay soldiers are basically left alone and not paid much attention to because it is NONE of anyone's business. If our soldiers respect that privacy, why can't our congress and this useless president?

Posted by: candyzky

SO BEING DISHONEST IS A VALUE to live by? Since when lying is a conservative value? Some people are full of crap!

Posted by: corintonic | December 2, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Poor John McCain is not growing old gracefully and continues to fall behind the times. He served his country well, even suffered greatly for her; for that I honor him. Now his name invariably reminds me that he gave us Palin with all her trappings. Imagine if he had been elected President. Moreover, his present myopic views cast a shadow on his past achievements. I wish him well and a speedy recovery.


Posted by: castleb | December 2, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

So the Pentagon report is based on a study of 6% of troops--and it didn't deal with DADT, as McCain pointed out. How inconvenient for Obama's political agenda. But Obama is supposed to be President of the United States. The Constitution says that his agenda is to execute the laws. Instead, he acts as president of the Progressive Social Democrats. There is no military reason to end DADT. The only reason is that gays want it to end. Service in the military is not an entitlement; it is a sacrifice made for our country. If you want to serve, just remember it's not about YOU; it's about your country.

Posted by: allamer1 | December 2, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I can't even begin to describe how sick I am of old white men in the Halls of Congress.

Posted by: markiejoe | December 2, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a total loser.

Each time he's been asked about DTDA he's said, "let's wiiat for the report"...and now that the report does not support his narrow minded views, he dismisses it.

It's people like McCain that keep the US in dark ages and DUMB. It's 2010 and we still discriminate openly against gays..

We are doomed by McCain and other like him - What a bunch of dumb a....s

Posted by: JJH1 | December 2, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a total loser.

Each time he's been asked about DTDA he's said, "let's wait for the report"...and now that the report does not support his narrow minded views, he dismisses it.

It's people like McCain that keep the US in dark ages and DUMB. It's 2010 and we still discriminate openly against gays..

We are doomed by McCain and other like him - What a bunch of dumb a....s

Posted by: JJH1 | December 2, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey John if you were still in the military they would court martial you for unleashing the succubus known as Sarah Pailin. Treason maybe? Pailin like an idiot only dumber and you are proving that makes two of you. Do you ever stick to any promise or position or do you suffer from Alzheimers already?

Posted by: jbento | December 2, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

And to think he wanted to be president.

Posted by: 8-Man2 | December 2, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

++++
i was watching c-span this morning and ADMIRAL MULLIN said that when he was aboard a destroyer off the coast of viet nam he served with gays on his ship.when i told my chief petty officer that i saw two gays having oral sex aboard my ship in 1966 the office of naval intelligence(ncis) came aboard and found out their were a total of six homosexuals.they were taken off the ship and given a dishonorable discharge.must have been a different NAVY!

Posted by: SISSD1 | December 2, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse +++++++++
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No offense, but I just don't believe you. You sound like a typical homophobe making up a fairytale to support your biased POV.


Posted by: bruce19 | December 2, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

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I worked for the Army for 27years and never once have I ever heard any incidents or homosexual soldiers coming on to or harming hetersexuals. However, just a few years ago we did read and see the pictures and story about a gang of soldiers jumping another soldier in the latrine and beating him to death and leaving him wrapped around the toilet dead, because they thought he was gay. His sister's horrific grief was palpable and she stated that her brother was never gay, but was a rather quiet guy. Here in Aberdeen P.G., Maryland, years ago we witnessed a great big scandal about the heterosexual D.I. who raped six young women going through basic training. The Army tried to hush it up, but something like that cannot be hushed up.
And my own cousin was discharged from the Army many years ago after being raped. No one stood up for her.
When bigots go on about gay men and women, it tells me they have no charity in their hearts and very little knowledge about homosexuality. Gay people are the same as all of us in every respect except for the way they have sex and their way is no more decadent or usual than non-gay men. After all we've all seen manly men who like their sex wearing leather and whips and they even like being humiliated. Hell,just look at Congress, Ritter liked to be diapered by his prostitutes, Craig like gaysex in airport bathrooms, Foley liked little Pages in the halls of Congress, Ensign liked getting it on with his friends wife and paid them off to prove it, Newt will do it with anyone he can latch on to, etc.
When the U.S. military refuses to allow the soldiers of Britain, France, Australia, Germany and Israel to assist us in battle because they all allow homosexuals into their militaries, then we can listen to their arguments. Until then, if they allow the troops of NATO to fight, sleep and eat alongside our kids in battle, their arguments are self-serving. fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | December 2, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

No repeal during a time of war? When did our Congress declare war? Have we all forgotten that there hasn't been any such declaration and not to many of us seem to care?

Posted by: rcvinson64 | December 2, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Let's not allow those of another color other than "white" (like blacks in the civil war and ever since) or those who are of Asian heritage (as were those cowardly Nisei in WWII) to defile and/or ruin the morale of our troops and create dissention in the ranks as they are so wont to do. Damn history, the constitution and all rational thinking! Moron John must be correct, after all didn't he recognize Sarah's great knowledge, intellect and perspicacity. He knows! Damn Harry Truman, the 14th amendment, the record of gays in combat and the general acceptance by military personnel of the DADT repeal.
This straight former Marine and aged civil libertarian says, "Enough of this idiotic prejudice, abandon your hypocrisy, America!

Posted by: henry_hump | December 3, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

@papafritz571
Great post! I wish I was half as relevant or articulate.

Posted by: henry_hump | December 3, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

McCain's rationale: "I don't agree with the report's findings, therefore it must be flawed."

McCain's mindset regarding DADT is similar to that exhibited by southern conservatives in the 1950's and 1960's when various aspects of civil rights bills and court decisions were being debated:
Leave well enough alone -- the current system works great (...for those not being discriminated against).

Response to the call for DADT repeal by Congressional GOP leadership :
"Oops. Did we previously state that we would support a repeal of DADT if the Pentagon study and troop survey recommended this course of action?
We're so sorry. What we meant to say was that we would support the repeal of DADT when hell freezes over."

Posted by: labman57 | December 3, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

John McCain, who finished at the bottom of his class at Annapolis, is telling men who are his superiors in rank and intelligence how they should carry out their duties. I was a combat Marine in WWII and, as a fellow-Marine, am ashamed of his behavior. As far as I am concerned, inflicting Sarah Palin on the politics of the United States for the Vice Presidency(!) solely for the purpose of stimulating his lackluster campaign was as much an act of disloyalty as the work of a foreign spy with infinitely more danger to the future well-being of the people of our country.

Posted by: jebron1 | December 2, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse


********During the Vietnam war, I ran the largest Draft Board in our major city. My territory covered the sons of the wealthiest and best educated citizens. Having earlier managed a smaller Board in a blue collar neighborhood, I was profoundly enlightened to see how far the wealthy went to keep their sons from being drafted. During the period, no one raised the issue of homosexuality and those who were rejected did so during the Physical Examination. In 1969 when we were desperate for more bodies to sent to Vietnam, we had to reexamine all 4Fs and 1Ys to see if we could get rid of their criminal records or minor physical defects.
Think of how many able-bodied gay men could have been drafted instead of taking young men with questionable morals.
My son-in-lsw is a Naval Academy graduate and my nephew a Westpointer. I have no objections moral or otherwise against them serving with gay soldiers.
McCain has lived his whole life off the American taxdollars from birth on up. Think about it. He not only graduated fifth from the bottom at the Academy, he racked up more demerits than anyone in his class. What a disgrace. How many airplanes did he crash? How much did they cost us?
There are hundreds of men who were imprisoned in Hanoe, longer than he and certainly more tortured than he. Have you ever heard him stand before the country and laud their sacrifice over his? John has lost his integrity if indeed, he ever really had it. fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | December 3, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Bill1776 is pretty funny.

Posted by: MattTee1
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Unfortunately, Bill1776 is pathetic, sick, and does not play well with other cats in the sandbox. He's not too swift with fellow human beings either.

Posted by: dakotahgeo | December 3, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

With whom would you rather serve, a gay person or a person who hates everyone who does not share his world view? Which of the two would be the greatest threat to your personal security? Bush taught us all we need to know about conservative compassion.

McCain can't follow much less lead.

Posted by: outridercastle | December 3, 2010 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Years ago when our ship came in, I'd venture over to San Francisco where ultimately I got to where I wouldn't talk to any man. Why? Because each time I'd become engaged in conversation I'd find myself being propositioned or, worse yet, the guy would put his hand on my leg. It was a relief getting back to the ship and being amongst men I could be comfortable with.

If repeal of DADT passes, I feel sorry for the straight men and women in the military. That repeal virtually invites gays in the military to openly act aboard ship or on base exactly like those invasive San Franciscans of a few years back did. And yeah, I guess you could say I became a bit homophobic. And yes, you could also say that I'm not in favor of repealing DADT. Let the gays exist in the military, just don't give them carte blanch to flout their sexual orientation. It's not easy to trust some guy who's trying to put the make on you.

Posted by: kcooper35 | December 3, 2010 3:06 AM | Report abuse


MORE HOMOSEXUAL DISHONESTY

Anyone who has watched the torrid river of homosexual propaganda over the years has seen this propensity many times over, of picking famous people long dead, who can't stand up and speak for themselves, to hold up as homosexual heroes, using the ancient fame of these individuals to drape around their own moral debauchery in the present moment like a golden roman toga. This is called stolen honor. Having no intrinsic honor, they must steal the honor of others.

The use of the word “gay” is a ubiquitous example. They have stolen the original meaning of this word to wrap around themselves, to deceive people into believing that they are the happiest people on the planet, when the fact is, they are the most miserable and guilt ridden group of individuals the earth has ever seen.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 3, 2010 3:29 AM | Report abuse

Jeez, McCain, you're a drop kick. Survey was fine, and you know it. Use those old tricks to try and get the military to go back and do it again. You're a slime ball, well, that is stating the obvious. Most of our allies already allow gays to serve openly in their services. When our forces are deployed in coalitions they will already be fighting alongside openly gay men and women. So, what would suggest in that situation? I mean you just are such a knob.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | December 3, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

John "I was for it before I was against it" McCain. Next to nominating Sarah Palin as his running mate, this is his crowning idiocy.

Posted by: fmamstyle | December 3, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Poor John McCain. After all these years he just can't come to terms with the little boy games he played with his male friends in those boarding schools.

Posted by: NewEra | December 3, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Someone call Atticus. There's a rabid dog loose in the Senate.

Posted by: Byrd3 | December 3, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm thankful every day that John McCain is not our President.

Posted by: kimL1 | December 3, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

He protests too much. Is there something in his past?

Posted by: whocares666 | December 3, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Well, considering his many "changes" since he and his half-term Governor lost to a half-term US Senator, I now don't find it a stretch to think that if the issues came up McCain would rationalize segregating the military and repealing the 19th Amendment.

What an old, dishonest, bitter man he has revealed himself to be.

Posted by: kemp13 | December 3, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to think that McCain is senile...first yes, then no, then more study!!? I also do not know why he is considered to be an expert in military affairs when he spent more time as a POW then he did fighting in the war. As awful as being a POW must have been it does not make him an expert in anything.
Bad enough he saddled us with Palin. Time for him to go!!!

Posted by: nhgal628 | December 3, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

McCain, most of us American's dismiss you, retire and go home, you are not needed.

Posted by: citigreg | December 3, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

John McCain's butter slipped off his noodles a long time ago. As a registered voter in the once great state of Arizona, I apologize for this guy. Most of us have never voted for him, at least down in Pima county where there is a small pocket of sane people. He is obstructing everything he possibly can, and he should be in a home for the bewildered for his dementia issues.

Posted by: deadchief | December 3, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Recruits and soldiers are supposed to be big boys or girls. I was raped by a priest at 14 and served honorably as an officer without revealing it or going out with the "guys" on Saturday night to beat up people coming out of gay bars. I don't follow your logic at all.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 2, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

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I believe it is unreasonable to expect that a man who has been sexually assaulted by a homosexual will be able to sleep, bathe, and dress in areas where gays are not prohibited. Likewise, I don't require that a woman say or believe all men are rapists to assert her right to privacy from all men.

Since everyone is expected to be "big boys and girls," in your military, do you favor ending sex segregation in the military and having all men and women sleep, bathe, and dress in the same non-private areas?

I don't. I support DADT because it is a very generous compromise. Gays are permitted to serve if they keep their sexual orientation private, and straights will pretend their privacy is not being violated.

The compromise, like many compromises in life, requires that both the gay soldiers and the straight soldiers lie about the truth of the situation. Gays lie that they're straight. Straights lie that their privacy is not being violated.

Suppporters of repeal say it's wrong to make gays lie, but they're happy to allow heterosexuals to keep lying that their privacy rights are not being violated. Or maybe it is a right that is being silently stolen away from them as we watch.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 3, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

McCain sounds like a typical republican. If the report or study supports his agenda then it's a great and reliable study. But if it doesn't then just "dismiss" it or attack it.

Posted by: alpaca182 | December 3, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

McCain sounds like a typical republican. If the report or study supports his agenda then it's a great and reliable study. But if it doesn't then just "dismiss" it or attack it.

Posted by: alpaca182 | December 3, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Let me put it to you this way, in no uncertain terms.

Senator McCain, Gen. James F. Amos, and others opposing the repeal of DADT and integration of homosexuals in the military are displaying two traits detrimental in the worst way to military discipline: lack of faith in the ability of the other members of the military, and personal cowardice.

Posted by: mhoust | December 3, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Here's a headline: "McCain Dismisses DADT Study Because Of Course He Does"

Posted by: joshlct | December 3, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The reason to not have homosexuals in combat units is a matter of biology and morale.

It is very difficult to suppress the pheromones of a 19-year-old. Relationships will inevitably form. And then morale suffers -- does the sergeant who is having an affair with a PFC not send that man out on a dangerous patrol because of his lover? Or, the opposite -- to prove he can be even-handed. But even suspicions can affect the morale of men in the terrible conditions of combat, where the slightest mistake can cost lives. Suppose you think someone is eyeing you in the shower. It's hard enough being away from your wife or girlfriend without worrying about another man is enjoying the view.

A combat unit is not an office or a store, where people can practice their private lives away from the workplace. These men are together 24 hours a day, 60 minutes an hour. And it is not worth the additional stress of worrying about matters other than the enemy.

It's an ill-advised experiment that could ruin the finest combat units on the planet. And some, especially Marines -- the best shock troops in the history of the world -- will quit.

You can't have a blind person on lookout ... you can't have a one-legged man in a ground unit ... you can't have gays in units at close quarters in conditions where life is the final price of the experiment.

Posted by: JPMcC | December 3, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain was dismissed by the American people long ago. He needs to retire to one of his wife's mansions and leave the country the hell alone. He's a bitter old man.

Posted by: MPersow | December 3, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain was dismissed by the American people long ago. He needs to retire to one of his wife's mansions and leave the country the hell alone. He's a bitter old man.

Posted by: MPersow | December 3, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

And non of you puerile smug harpies need to apologize for John McCain. He has proved his courage when he refused an early release from POW camps, even though he was one of the worst wounded prisoners.

He has served his country. Have you?

Posted by: JPMcC | December 3, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Papa Fritz is full of schitz. "I ran the largest Draft Board in our major city". What a crock? [Unless, of course, it was San Francisco.....]

And if his son-and-law and nephew went to the academies -- and I think that posturing is absurd -- it's a bet they don't appreciate this Old Fahrt slamming a man who refused to take an early release from POW camp to say with his buds.

Posted by: JPMcC | December 3, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Cindy McCain needs to take Sen McCain home for a long rest in one of their 9 homes ,and keep him there. He is long past his use-before date.

Posted by: ddmjlennox | December 3, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

when mc cain deny other US CITIZENS TO server the USA as the US OATH OF ALLEGIANCE SAYS, THEN HIS SERVICE NO LONGER MEANS ANYTHING EITHER

WHEN XTIAN THOUGHT THE REPORT WOULD BE IN THEIR FAVOR THEY THE XTIANS WERE FOR IT, NOW THAT IS IS KNOWN NOT TO FAVOR THE XTIAN etc BIASED VIEWS, NOW THEY OPPOSE IT, HYPOCRITICAL FROM THAT $$$ IMF IRS 501 (C)(3) LLC/S-CORPORATION THAT THE BLIND SHEEP GIVE THE "EVIL DOLLAR" TOO.

ALL US CITIZENS HAVE THE CIVIL RIGHT IS SERVE IN THE MILITARY " USA OATH OF ALLEGIANCE," 8 C.F.R. Part 337 (2008))

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;

* allegiance to the United States Constitution,
* renunciation of allegiance to any foreign country to which the immigrant has had previous allegiances to
* defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"

* promise to serve in the United States Armed Forces when required by law (either combat or non-combat)

* promise to perform civilian duties of "national importance" when required by law

Posted by: shaiarra | December 3, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

'Use it or lose it' and I'm afraid in this case (DADT), McCain has lost it! I speak of a brain that maintains function. Perhaps we should pity McCain for what used to be his sex appeal is now just his water spout!

Posted by: rbsher | December 5, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Papa Fritz is full of schitz. "I ran the largest Draft Board in our major city". What a crock? [Unless, of course, it was San Francisco.....]

And if his son-and-law and nephew went to the academies -- and I think that posturing is absurd -- it's a bet they don't appreciate this Old Fahrt slamming a man who refused to take an early release from POW camp to say with his buds.

Posted by: JPMcC | December 3, 2010 1:20 PM | Report

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Actually you uninformed littled putz, I did manage the largest Draft Board in my city of Baltimore Md. From 1966 to 1973, the Selective Service System was my job.
I know more about that period than you could ever hope to know because you probably never had the guts to join the military and know nothing about that period. My son-in-law is an Academy graduate and recently retired from the Marine Corps and my nephew is a WestPoint graduate and has served two stints in the war zones of the middle east. Neither one of them are bigots like you and both have intelligence you could never achieve and more importantly both are deeply religious men.
Further my uncle was a LTCDR aboard the USS Forestal when John McCain did something that caused a holocaust of fire and killed many young men. I read the Year Book they published when they brought the Forestal back to America and it was horrific to see the damage that was done and the number of Navy men who lost their lives because of that mistake.
I used to think that McCain was a hero of sorts, but in all of his years in Congress I have never heard him ever give credit to the hundreds of POWs who were imprisoned with him. Some for far longer than he and more gravely tortured. You obviously are not a deep thinker or you would also question why McCain has continuously used his POW status to gain fame and fortune but never credit or cite the bravery or heroism of the hundreds who also were imprisoned.
So little man, if the best you can do is write the crap you wrote, your ignorance exceeds your intelligence. Your arguments are inane and your criticism childish. You know nothing about that which you post and that is a pity. Your parents must be very disappointed in the way you turned out. fritz

Posted by: papafritz571 | December 6, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

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