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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 12/17/2010

'Don't ask, don't tell' repeal will clear Senate, Lieberman says

By Ed O'Keefe and Felicia Sonmez

Eye Opener
UPDATED: 3:02 p.m.
With a key procedural vote scheduled for Saturday, Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (I-Conn.) declared Friday that efforts to repeal the ban on gays serving openly in the military were "on the brink of victory."

Speaking at a news conference with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Rep. Patrick Murphy (D-Pa.) and several gay service veterans one day after Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) announced he would introduce the repeal effort for the third time this year, Lieberman said he expects the repeal to pass the Senate -- and to do so with wider support than had been anticipated.

"I continue to believe that we're going to end up with more support on the Republican side than the four that we've talked about," he said.

Republican Sens. Scott Brown (Mass.), Susan Collins (Maine), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia J. Snowe (Maine) have announced in recent days that they will vote to let the repeal proceed.

Joining Lieberman at the event were four service veterans who were discharged under "don't ask, don't tell." The quartet planned a sit-in in the Senate visitors' gallery, where they expected to remain for as long as the Senate is in session until repeal of the law is passed.

Stacey Vasquez, a 12-year Army veteran who was discharged under "don't ask, don't tell," said at the event that she was anxious ahead of Saturday's vote.

"I'm nervous about what's going to happen tomorrow," Vasquez said. "I'm personally nervous because this isn't process and procedure to me. It's not just a vote. This is my life."
"This is what I was called to do; it's what I want to do; it's what I'm inspired to do," she added.

The Senate will hold a vote on Saturday to proceed to debate on a bill that would end the law, Reid has said. A final vote could come later that day or the next.

A bill that included language ending the ban failed last week to earn the 60 votes necessary. A similar attempt failed in September.

But now, a filibuster-proof majority appears tenable: Fifty-seven members of the Senate Democratic caucus support a bill to end the ban, as have the four Republicans. Other Republicans could join them on the final vote, aides said.

"I believe we have the votes," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Thursday.

Gay rights activists, caught off-guard Thursday by Reid's decision, also signaled optimism. "America is ready for a vote, and there's no need for any more waiting," said Fred Sainz, vice president of the Human Rights Campaign.

Activists had worried earlier Thursday that they might lose a "yes" vote when Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) announced plans to have surgery next week to treat early stage prostate cancer.

He will miss votes on Friday, Monday and Tuesday but will be available to vote all weekend. "Anything else he can make work, he will," said spokeswoman Jennifer Hoelzer.

Most Republican senators are expected to vote against the bill, preferring to consider the issue next year.

"We're in two wars, and I believe that right now would not be the right time to repeal it. That's my position, and I will hold it," Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said Thursday night during a CNN interview.

When asked, McCain said his son, Jimmy, who served with the Marine Corps in Iraq, is opposed to ending the ban. "His words to me, as so many thousands of others' words have been to me, 'It isn't broke, don't fix it,'" McCain said, adding he is "reluctant" to discuss the personal opinions of his children.

McCain's daughter, Meghan, told MSNBC Wednesday that Congress should end the ban.

In a quiet show of support, dozens of service members discharged under "don't ask, don't tell" plan to sit in the Senate gallery on Friday as senators continue debating the New START treaty.

"Service members are making it absolutely clear that senators need to stay in town until repeal is passed," said Aubrey Sarvis, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network, the group organizing Friday's sit-in. "We simply cannot let the clock run out and lose this historic opportunity."

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Any decision affecting military fitness and readiness must be left to military professionals. If the judgment of military professionals is that bowing to political correctness will cost lives, it is shameful that politicians would overrule them.

Posted by: thebump | December 17, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, thebump. you have a multi-year history of being loathsome and hostilely anti-gay. The motives to your post are incredibly transparent.

Posted by: bobbarnes | December 17, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

This actually has nothing to do with people in the homosexual lifestyle joining or being "open" in the military. This is strictly an attempt to get the federal govt to recognize this lifestyle as normal. Ultimately this is an attack to end DOMA. Make no mistake about it.

Posted by: musicman65000 | December 17, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse


A PRAYER FOR THE SAVING OF OUR NATION

O God, my Dear Heavenly Father, I Am That I Am, indeed, whose precious child I am, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I want you to know that I am grateful for this deeper understanding which you have given to me, regarding the origin of the homoerotic urge, that this comes from the black heart of a demonic presence on the astral plane which makes of the victim a sex slave of the demonic world, and moreover, that this controlling demonic presence follows the homosexual wherever he goes, and works to corrupt the integrity of the morals of everyone that he comes in contact with. Thank you for helping me to understand the danger that this black poisonous cloud of moral corruption poses to the very survival of America even as it relentlessly encroaches upon and consumes the minds of more and more Americans. To that end, O God, I ask you, again in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to please send Legions of Holy Angels now, Shining, Radiant, Noble and Pure, marching triumphantly throughout the nation, to cast out all homosexuals from the U.S. Military, from all positions within our National Security Establishment, and from every position of responsibility in whatever department of American life they have entered in with this corrupting demonic spirit, especially throughout the educational institutions of our land, kindergartens, elementary and secondary schools, colleges and universities, and in every department of the mass media, and throughout all government institutions, local, state and federal. Especially essential is the cleaning out of all local, state, and federal legislative bodies. Deliver our nation O God from the horror of this dark shadow of moral insanity. Fully accepting the promise of the Lord Jesus Christ, that which I ask of you, in his name, that you will do. I therefore accept it done right now with full power. Amen.

For those of you who understand that America stands, right at this moment, face to face with the fate of the City of Sodom, please add this prayer to your daily devotions. The survival of America requires it. Please raise up your voice to God as America teeters on the very edge of this abyss of moral insantity, trying to decide whether to step forward, or to step back.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

thebump: they DID ask the military personnel, and the answer came back that they didn't see a problem and to proceed to repeal DADT.

Posted by: j24w | December 17, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The Senate and the House are listening to the military professionals. Secretary Gates believes that if Congress doesn't repeal the DADT policy, the Courts will. Secretary Gates believes it will be easier to transition if Congress repeals the policy. The military community needs to prepare itself for cultural change.

Posted by: AnnsThought | December 17, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

i hope i am wrong but i think congress is playing russian roulette with this DADT.if congress was smart they would bring back the draft.

Posted by: SISSD1 | December 17, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse


ON THE SUBJECT OF HOMOSEXUAL BLINDNESS

j24w says,"they DID ask the military personnel, and the answer came back that they didn't see a problem and to proceed to repeal DADT."

This response exemplifies the dangerous set of blinders that homosexuals bring to everything they do. This statement IGNORES, what the writer knows to be the truth, that the soldiers on the front lines have strong objections from 40% to 58%, against repealing the current policy. These are the people who are in the fight, on the front lines, where the war is either lost or won. Clearly their response points to disruption in the front lines, if the policy would be repealed, causing the very distractions that General Amos says, will cost lives. Ignoring their viewpoint exposes the truth, that homosexuals have no interest in the reality of national security. Not even the question concerning the increased rate of casualities their agenda will bring about registers on their conscience. Their only interest is to wear the uniform to add luster to their state of moral debauchery. This is called Stolen Honor.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I have conducted a poll by piecing together two other polls and arriving at the truth of this matter.

The mid-terms are the only dead-accurate polls we have and it proves that America has almost, totally rejected everything the Obamacrats stand for. That includes repeal of DADT.

The dead duck Congress is trying to ram through a raft of stink-bomb bills in spite of American voters. Repeal of DADT is the stinkiest one of all.

Congressional approval is down to 13%, according to Gallup. Amazingly, if you add up the number of homosexuals, in America, and the number of far leftist homophiles, it adds up to about 13% of the population.

Eureka!!

Only about 13% of the American population supports repeal of DADT.

The rest is an illusion brought to you by the Obama media.

Posted by: battleground51 | December 17, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Good. DADT needs to be gone.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | December 17, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse


All 42 Republican senators pledged to filibuster any legislation until government is funded and a tax cut bill is passed.

Has a continuing resolution to fund government been passed yet? No.

Does Barry have the votes? No.

Harry the horse's asp Reid also thought he had this spending bill in the bag. Did Harry have the votes? No.

Posted by: screwjob17 | December 17, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The Senate voted TWICE not to repeal DADT: In September, and just one week ago.

Reid still does not get it.

By the way those four members said they would support it IF there was already a government spending bill passed. The GOP tossed out Harry Reid's boondoggle of a pork spending bill.

Does Reid have a government spending bill passed yet? No.

Posted by: screwjob17 | December 17, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

The Military Chiefs decide the issue as to who serves. Not the Secdef and Joint Chief. The Chiefs spoke and said this is the wrong thing to do. Homosexuals ignore this and keep on with their agenda. The Commandant made it clear that this will harm our troops. For any senator to vote for repeal shows just how they care so little about our troops in harms way.

The CDC upheld its Ban on Homosexuals from donating blood because of their "Risky Behavior" So the CDC shows homosexuals are a health risk and we want them to serve in the military?

Posted by: tedy2 | December 17, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Would someone please help me understand why DADT is important. Does this mean that I now have to go around "asking" everyone if they are queer and go around "telling" everyone I am not queer. I have lived 72 years and not one time has anyone ever asked me that question and I have never ever thought of asking anyone that question. It's the same as asking about sex with your wife and how much money you make. It's just not done. So why am I forced to do it now?

Posted by: jlowryusa | December 17, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

the bill must be really simplistic if it only lets gays in the military without changes to the UCMJ...
but since the goverment itself by law does not recognize gay marriage...
many benefits that think they should recieve...
they can't...
imo...
they just gain a bullseye on their backs...

Posted by: DwightCollins | December 17, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

George Washington actively recruited widely-known homosexual Baron von Steuben to whip the ragtag (and losing) colonial army into a fighting force that ultimately won American independence.

Wonder what would have happened if George had had the counsel of our present-day Marine "leaders"?

(Humming "God Save the King"...)

Posted by: CellBioProf | December 17, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Give it up, thugs, bigots, and homophobes! DADT will be repealed. The votes are there. Get over it and get with the rest of mainstream America.

Posted by: jdcinarlington | December 17, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Not only do the top leaders of the military support ending DADT,surveys indicate more than three-quarters of the public do as well. As for the comment by John McCain's son, the system is in fact broke when it discharges thousands of soldiers, many in crucial specialties with shortages like Arabic translators, during a time when the military is so short of personnel that it is accepting convicted criminals.

One commenter says he never felt the need to discuss his marriage so why should gay soldiers. Did he feel free to put his wife's picture on his desk? To go with her to receptions in public rather than hide her at home? Was he able to answer honestly when someone asked him about his family or mistakenly sought to set him up on a date? Does he wear a wedding ring? He is so oblivious to things that he takes for granted that he doesn't realize that others are prevented from doing the same.

Posted by: polprof | December 17, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

jlowryusa, during your 72 years were you ever required by a law not to ask or not to tell? As in: "hey cutie wanna do it?" That is illegal for me because of this dumb az$ law imposed by congress on our service members who serve honorable. Dumb law, just get rid of it. This isn't a proposal to force you to tell us, after 72 years, if it still works on a regular basis.

PS GoldenEagles is funny! Maybe we could get a spot on SNL for him? ;-)

Posted by: streff | December 17, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

You sure are EAGER to see DATD overturned, aren't you O'Keefe?

I wonder if you will then report and comment on the inevitable incidents in the US Military which will happen as soon as 'openly gay' men naively rush to enlist to join the 'field of sex' expecting that their Army or Marine superiors will go to great lengths to 'protect them' from an equally open hostile reception.

Posted by: dave19 | December 17, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"It isn't broke, don't fix it"? Really? Maybe it doesn't seem "broke" to you, McCain Jr., but it's broke--it's broke for thousands of others. And whether you want to believe it or not, having a bunch of people in your troops who are constantly on guard for their livelihood isn't good for you either.

Posted by: crzytwnman | December 17, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Any decision affecting military fitness and readiness must be left to military professionals. If the judgment of military professionals is that bowing to political correctness will cost lives, it is shameful that politicians would overrule them.

Posted by: thebump | December 17, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

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Except that but for one Marine commandant with very strong personal views that appear to be coloring his professional ones, most everyone else in the position to make these judgments, including Secretary Gates, dont' share that opinion. Taxpayers have paid for study after study that have demonstrated this and the only reason we keep paying for studies is that certain conservative politicians, such as Senator McCain, will not acquiesce to the results of the studies they commissioned unless the studies come up with the conclusion they want. Unfortunately, in the year 2010, America has advanced beyond closed minded discriminatory practices.

Posted by: sassafrasnewport | December 17, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

This actually has nothing to do with people in the homosexual lifestyle joining or being "open" in the military. This is strictly an attempt to get the federal govt to recognize this lifestyle as normal. Ultimately this is an attack to end DOMA. Make no mistake about it.
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Good! Here here and about time.

Posted by: thurdl01 | December 17, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

George Washington actively recruited widely-known homosexual Baron von Steuben to whip the ragtag (and losing) colonial army into a fighting force that ultimately won American independence.

Wonder what would have happened if George had had the counsel of our present-day Marine "leaders"?

(Humming "God Save the King"...)

Posted by: CellBioProf | December 17, 2010 9:33 AM

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1) It's foolish to think that the Revolutionary War was won due to one man.

2) The reason Von Steuben was kicked out of the Prussian Army was because he was pedophile, this was also widely known.

3) Another well known, but mediocre homosexual and pedophile field marshal was Bernard Montgomery, who had an extended relationship with a 12 year old swiss boy. Thank goodness we had Eisenhower, Patton and Bradley to assure victory in Europe.

Posted by: DonnyKerabatsos | December 17, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse


HOMOSEXUALS AND THE MILITARY
IT IS ALL ABOUT STOLEN HONOR

CellBioProf says, "George Washington actively recruited widely-known homosexual Baron von Steuben to whip the ragtag (and losing) colonial army into a fighting force that ultimately won American independence."

Widely known homosexual? Total fantasy. Total falsehood. Another example of the homosexual propensity to go back in history and cherry pick famous people who are long dead, and who can't stand up in defense of their honor in the present moment. The homosexuals steal the honor of the person long dead, and wrap that golden robe around themselves, to make their moral debauchery appear to shine with the honor of the one who first expressed it. Only a despicable lack of character would allow a person to engage in such thievery.

The fact is, in those days sodomy was a crime punishable by the death sentence in each of the original colonies.


Thomas Jefferson fought in the Virginia legislature to reduce the punishment to castration. But he failed. The death penalty stood. George Washington was from Virginia.

The idea that a known homosexual would be given a position of responsibility anywhere, at any time, in a environment of total and absolute repudiation of homosexuality, even unto the death penalty, is completely absurd.

The only reason the Homosexuals want to serve openly in the military today, is for the same purpose. That want to drape their condition of moral debauchery with the golden robe of honor and bravery and courageous expressed by millions of soldiers who have given their lives for the freedom of our nation. They are interested in stealing their honor. And that is all. If they were interested only in serving their country, they would be happy with the status quo. The reason they are not happy with the status quo, is because they cannot effectively steal that golden robe of honor (earned by others) if no one is sure that there are even in the military.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

For some internet commando to characterize my 24 years of honorable service as "stolen honor" is beyond insulting. It's despicable. The appropriate response to you is one that the WaPo censors will not allow.

Posted by: IronyisHot | December 17, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse


ARE THE VOTES REALLY THERE?

jdcinarlington says, "Give it up, thugs, bigots, and homophobes! DADT will be repealed. The votes are there. Get over it and get with the rest of mainstream America."

The Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid introduced the 2010 Omnibus spending bill on the floor of the Senate, a couple of days ago. He thought he had the votes for passage. Indeed, some Republicans told him they would vote for the bill. That's why he brought it to the floor. He really thought he could pass it. But in the hours before the first cloture vote was to be taken, the Republican votes evaporated, and he had to pull the bill. The 2010 Omnibus is dead.

As far as DADT Repeal is concerned, the question that faces the Republicans, even those from the northeast with substantial homosexual constituencies, is the prospect of winning the White House back from Obama in 2012. They all know that if they give Obama this banner of victory to wave before his troops, why the homosexuals themselves will carry him on their very shoulders into the White House in 2012! Yes, giving him the margin of victory. And perhaps there is a coat-tail factor in this that might assist the Democrats in regaining control of the House in 2012, as well. If the left-base is highly energized, many seats could turn back to the Democrats.

In the end, are the Republicans going to help put that banner of victory in Obama’s hands? That is the question.

Is it realistic to expect that the Republicans, who have the power to deny Obama this banner of victory, to place that banner of victory into Obama’s hands?

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

George Washington actively recruited widely-known homosexual Baron von Steuben to whip the ragtag (and losing) colonial army into a fighting force that ultimately won American independence.

Wonder what would have happened if George had had the counsel of our present-day Marine "leaders"?

(Humming "God Save the King"...)

Posted by: CellBioProf | December 17, 2010 9:33 AM

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Washington would not have needed von Steuben if he had had today's military leaders.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 17, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse


THE TRUTH HURTS

IronyisHot says, “For some internet commando to characterize my 24 years of honorable service as "stolen honor" is beyond insulting. It's despicable. The appropriate response to you is one that the WaPo censors will not allow.”

The truth hurts, I know. Thanks for giving us a preview of the iron fisted manner in which homosexuals are poised to use the command structure to suppress the truth within the military itself.

A new term will be added to fittness evaluations. Any criticism of a homosexuals performance will be categorized as homophobia. And thus, they will all rise to leadership positions (nothing personal Adm. Mullen) And the destruction of the U.S. Military will be complete.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

ON THE SUBJECT OF CHRISTIAN BLINDNESS

GoldenEagles's response exemplifies the dangerous set of blinders that Christians bring to everything they do. This statement IGNORES, what the writer knows to be the truth, that the soldiers on the front lines support repealing the current policy. These are the people who are in the fight, on the front lines, where the war is either lost or won. Clearly keeping the policy in place will cost lives. Ignoring their viewpoint exposes the truth, that Christians have no interest in the reality of national security. Not even the question concerning the increased rate of casualities their agenda will bring about registers on their conscience. Their only interest is to oppress and terrorize others. This is called being evil.

Posted by: mtltex | December 17, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

By the way, what is "honorable" about breaking the law? A technical point I know. Title 10, Section 654, declares homosexuality to be incompatible with military service. For a homosexual to be in the military at all, knowing what the law is, makes of that homosexual a law breaker. What is honorable about being a law breaker? There is nothing honorable about that. And thus my point about Stolen Honor is validated the more.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

sassafras opines "Except that but for one Marine commandant with very strong personal views that appear to be coloring his professional ones, most everyone else in the position to make these judgments, including Secretary Gates, dont' share that opinion."

First of all, the Marine Commandant is expressing his PROFESSIONAL opinion - whatever his personal opinion is.

The Commandant - as is the Chief of Staff of the Army - are directly RESPONSIBLE for the training and preparation for combat of all his Marines. Anything that distracts, diverts, disturbs, or causes men being trained to resist working with,living with, training with, BONDING WITH, other men in their unit - is a potential threat to combat readiness, risks failure AND casualties.

And when 58% of his serving existing Marines (the Army 40%) which include all those experienced NCOs and officers who must fight and die at the combat unit level) make it clear they ALSO
hate the idea of serving with openly homosexual men in their units, not only is the Commandant expressing his own professional opinion, so are his fighting troops. The 'opinion' of civilians in government is irrelevant to me.

You, as 99.99% of all civilian Americans don't have a CLUE what it takes to ready men at the point of the spear for combat, and what physical and mental traits are unacceptable.

I have trained and commanded men and officers for combat, from rifle platoon, company, battalion and up to a 4,000 man brigade, and commanded them at company and battalion level in two bloody wars. AND had to deal with a gay infantry lieutenant assigned to me in the Korean War.

Men in his platoon did NOT want to serve or go out on dangerous patrols with him. Fortunately for them he was killed in action.

It is clear to me that you, and thousands of other civilians who have never served, don't really give a dxxx whether soldiers or Marines die or not, while you think that gays should be put on some pedestal by forcing all the REST of the US Military to tolerate them.

You don't deserve either the Army OR Marine you have.

Posted by: dave19 | December 17, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm "iron-fisted" for daring to disagree with you? That leap of illogic was breathtaking. You went from my disagreement with you to "they want to change the eval system." How un-self aware can one poster be? I don't want you punished for your views - I simply think they're despicable. And they are.

They're also laughable. Your conspiracy theories are as wild-eyed as those that claim President Roosevelt planned Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: IronyisHot | December 17, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse


"FEEL DIRTY AND SICK"

caothien9 says, "We're supposed to feel dirty and sick, and that won't be maintainable when the pride of the uniform is stirred into the mix."

That is what this is all about. The homosexuals are trying to use the pride of the uniform to hide from their inner agony. And of course, their selfishness in this regard is highlighted the more, as they will grab at this STOLEN HONOR, without regard to how many additional soldiers die as a result.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

The Christians are trying to use the pride of the uniform to hide from their inner agony. And of course, Christians' selfishness in this regard is highlighted the more, as they will grab at this STOLEN HONOR, without regard to how many additional soldiers die as a result of maintaining DADT.

Posted by: mtltex | December 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse


TWO WORDS OF THANKS ARE IN ORDER

mtltex, I owe you two thank you's. First, thank you for illustrating the depth of the homosexual intellect. Obviously no deeper than a puddle on a sidewalk after a brief rain. Secondly, using my words, in fact stealing my words, making them appear to be your own, in the midst of this discussion on STOLEN HONOR, helps to make my point. That is what homosexuals are all about.

And who could miss this. Homosexuals stole a very good word "gay" which did not belong to them, a word that was filled out with the true happiness of the millions that went before them, and in no way could characterize them accurately, and they drape this stolen word over themselves, using this implication of happiness to cloth the deep cellar of moral depravity and gnawing guilt that truly characterizes the turmoil of the homosexual psychology.

Thank you, mtltex, for giving me the opportunity to make that point too.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

TWO WORDS OF THANKS ARE IN ORDER

GoldenEagles, I owe you two thank you's. First, thank you for illustrating the depth of the Christian intellect. Obviously no deeper than a puddle on a sidewalk after a brief rain. Secondly, by using your words, in fact altering your words, making them appear to be my own, in the midst of this discussion on STOLEN HONOR, helps to make my point: That you are a hateful person who has no other goal than to vilify gay people. That is what Christians are all about (at least Christians like you).

And who could miss this. Christians have distorted the teachings of Jesus and use Christianity to cloth the deep cellar of moral depravity and gnawing guilt that truly characterizes the turmoil of the Christian psychology.

Thank you, GoldenEagles, for giving me the opportunity to make that point too.

Posted by: mtltex | December 17, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Ignoring their viewpoint exposes the truth, that Christians have no interest in the reality of national security.

Posted by: mtltex | December 17, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

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This alliance between gays and atheists shows that Christians who may be sympathetic to gays and lesbians may just be allowing their commitment to justice to be used against their own interests.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The Christians are trying to use the pride of the uniform to hide from their inner agony. And of course, Christians' selfishness in this regard is highlighted the more, as they will grab at this STOLEN HONOR, without regard to how many additional soldiers die as a result of maintaining DADT.

Posted by: mtltex | December 17, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

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Hatred of Christians is just as wrong as hatred of gays.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 17, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

blasmaic, if you'll look at the posts by GoldenEagles, you'll see that by using the same arguments against Christians, I was highlighting how vitriolic and spurious his or her comments are. GoldenEagles can wrap hatred and lies in Christianity, but they're still just hatred and lies.

Posted by: mtltex | December 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse


EVERY HOMOSEXUAL ACT IS
A HATE CRIME AGAINST GOD

Everybody knows this to be true if they would only STOP and THINK about. Every homosexual act is a Slam against God.

What does it say about this obsession to EJACULATE the God-Given seed of life, by which populations are renewed, in which all hopes for the victory of mankind are invested, into the excrement cavity? The message is quite clear.

Homosexuals call it love. Common sense calls it HATE.

What does it say about this obsession to RECEIVE the God-Given seed of life, by which populations are renewed, in which all hopes for the victory of mankind are invested, into the excrement cavity? The message is quite clear.

Homosexuals call it love. Common sense calls it HATE.

Think about it. What is the message you send when you force the face of your enemy into a pile of excrement? This does not say, I love you. This does not say, I respect you. This does not say I adore you. It says, I Hate You, I Despise you, therefore eat [expletive deleted].

This is what the controlling demonic presence is saying to the Very Face of God in every homosexual act. Eat [expletive deleted].

All laws against sodomy were essentially our first form of hate crime legislation.

For an organization whose success depends on the intercession of Divine Providence, which is the case for the U.S. Military, it is wise to ban hate crimes against God within the ranks.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

(typo correction: "Everybody knows this is true if they would only STOP and THINK about it.")

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Liberals want to impose homosexual acceptance in a autocratic institution that is the US Military. The only other similar autocratic institution to the US military where homosexuals are tolerated is the prison systems. The liberals want the type of buggery and rape, resident in our prisons to be transferred to the US military. Will liberals now find it acceptable to have their young straight sons and daughters go under the complete authority of a homosexual drill instructor? The libs don't care if they destroy the finest most professional instituion in the US govt in order to conduct their social experiments.

Posted by: rabbit7 | December 17, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

So does this mean if I enlist I can go in the woman's showers? After all, sexual orientation and attraction has NOTHING to do with the distinction of service, so the women should be comfortable with it, right?

Posted by: leafgreen | December 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

It is broken, Senator McCain.

Roughly 13,500 qualified service members have been discharged under DADT since the policy’s inception. 428 were discharged in 2009 alone. The military is kicking out dedicated and trained troops during wartime.

What's worse, there’s something even more insidious than homophobia going on here. The Palm Center found that while women account for just 14 percent of Army soldiers, they received 48 percent of the Army's "don't ask" discharges last year. Six percent of the Marine Corps is female, but women accounted for 23 percent of its discharges. The Navy discharged only two officers for violating the policy in 2009, and both were Asian. The Army discharged five officers -- two were black, one was Asian and two were white, the Palm Center said.

Simply put, DADT is being used by bigots as a tool to remove unwanted minorities from the ranks of the military. Intolerance breeds intolerance.

Fix this.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 17, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

the military has been consulted; their opinion was that repeal would not degrade combat effectiveness.
sen. john mccain said he would abide by whatever the military decided. he's since shown himself to be a hypocrite who cannot be trusted to honor his word.
opponents of repeal will insist that either "now is not the time" or "the military hasn't really weighed in" or somesuch-- but those are the feeble, bigoted arguments deployed whenever any change is considered. they were used during desegregation and when women were first inducted.
the truth is that we need people in the field who can do the job. removing people from the military for narrow-minded reasons imperils our national security, impedes our ability to conclude these wars successfully and damages our ability to defend our national interests.
what is more important, america? winning the war or cleansing the military of individuals you deem immoral and unworthy of the uniform? you can't have it both ways.

Posted by: dbitt | December 17, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse


Harry Reid also promised silly Dims the votes were there for Reid's boondoggle pork-spending bill. Reid's filibuster-proof majority on that sure vanished in a hurry, right Dims? Hmm?

Reid the nitwit also went on the record yesterday saying the Dims have until January the 5th to repeal DADT. Not sure what other Constitution Reid is carrying around in his pocket but mine says the Senator's terms expire on noon of January the 3rd.

Dims always claim you have the votes ... until the time comes for a vote. Then you don't have the votes.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 17, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Good ridence to DADT. Gays are just people who want the same things we all do. They want to serve the country, establish a home and share it with someone. Pretty simple. Leave them alone. Let them live their lives as they wish without let or hinderence.

Posted by: kchses1 | December 17, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

ON THE SUBJECT OF HOMOSEXUAL BLINDNESS #2

dbitt says, "the military has been consulted; their opinion was that repeal would not degrade combat effectiveness."

This response exemplifies the dangerous set of blinders that homosexuals bring to everything they do. This statement IGNORES, what the writer knows to be the truth, that the soldiers on the front lines have strong objections from 40% to 58%, against repealing the current policy. These are the people who are in the fight, on the front lines, where the war is either lost or won. Clearly their response points to disruption in the front lines, if the policy would be repealed, causing the very distractions that General Amos says, will cost lives.

Ignoring their viewpoint exposes the truth, that homosexuals have no interest in the reality of national security. The question concerning the increased rate of casualities their agenda will bring about does not even register on their conscience.

Their only interest is to wear the uniform to add luster to their state of moral debauchery. This is called Stolen Honor.

caothien9 said it best, "We're supposed to feel dirty and sick, and that won't be maintainable when the pride of the uniform is stirred into the mix."

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I think that GoldenEagles' posting of an imprecatory prayer says all that needs to be said about where his head is at. It would be extremely easy, and far more apt, to insert instead "GOP politicians who have, in Jesus' own words (Matthew 25), condemned themselves joyously to burn in ... forever."

- - - -
With respect to the comments on Baron von Steuben, it certainly did not take one man to secure American Independence (and if it had, that one man would have been George Washington), but it did take that one man to recognize that without the skills that Baron von Steuben brought to training the Continental Army -- enlisted men AND officers -- the Revolution would have been squashed.

And it was the protocols and principles for training developed by Baron von Steuben that made it possible for our military leaders today to be the leaders that they are.

I would be interested in hearing from Dave19, who is clearly in his 80s,* how the Marines under his command responded to the requirement that they would have to salute Black officers, take orders from Black Officers, and even call them "Sir" as opposed to the common way that Black people were referred to then.


* "AND had to deal with a gay infantry lieutenant assigned to me in the Korean War." = at least in his early 20s, possibly older, some 60 years ago.

Question: Were there other lieutenants 60 years ago under his command who did not have the confidence of his troops? And, 60 years ago, when discharge was pretty automatic, how did Dave19 know that this lieutenant was gay? And why didn't Dave do anything when he KNEW that there was a definite problem with unit cohesion in his command?

Posted by: edallan | December 17, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

If DADT is removed Buggery and Rape in the military will become common, just like in our prison systems. This is what the libs want. How many libs will want their straight darling children to be subject to that......oh yeah i forgot.....libs don't send their kids to the military.

Posted by: rabbit7 | December 17, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

While CDC estimates that MSM account for just 4 percent of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, the rate of
new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the U.S. is more than 44 times that of other men (range: 522–989 per 100,000
MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men).
t MSM are the only risk group in the U.S. in which new HIV infections are increasing. While new infections have
declined among both heterosexuals and injection drug users, the annual number of new HIV infections among MSM
has been steadily increasing since the early 1990s.

Of the 1.2 million HIV+ people in the US, slightly over half are gay men.

This will impact DADT. For the protection of others, not just for sexual transmission but in combat where cross contamination of soldiers by body fluids is a real theat through open abrasions and wounds...we cannot accept HIV+ or other incurable contagious disease recruits.

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | December 17, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

DOMA is already being challenged by the ACLU as we speak. The congressional repeal of DADT has no impact on DOMA.

If this bill passes over the weekend, the military still would not recognize gay marriages among service members, and gay spouses and partners would not be eligible for depedent benefits.

The repeal would simply allow gay service members to serve with integrity, something the current structure prohibits.

Posted by: JohninMpls | December 17, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

All the prayers and amen's you homophobics have aren't going to stop the repeal of this law. If it isn't this weekend it will be some other weekend. It needs to be repealed. It's too damned bad we can't "repeal" Republicans....most of whom are homophobic, racist, anti-abortionist, gun-toting religious fanatics that are going to be the ultimate doom of the US. It won't be gays/lesbians who bring you down it will be the Republicans who will bring a financial and moral end to a great country...unless the Democrats start standing up and being heard.

Posted by: bluegardenia | December 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

You silly Dims claimed you had the votes for Reid's boondoggle porkbarrel-spending bill. How did Reid's filibuster proof majority on the spending bill work out for you Dims? Not so good? Hmm?

Harry Reid likes to pretend he has the votes, well we shall see.

No government spending bill has been passed yet after Reid's fiasco, and there is also the START treaty to consider in the Senate.

An identical spending bill must pass both the House and the Senate and be signed into law. Harry the horse's asp Reid seems to think he has until January the 5th. Somebody inform Reid that the Constitution says congressional terms expire at noon on January the 3rd.

Dims, as soon as you get off of leftist WaPo you will see that the other political papers give repeal of DADT a slim chance at best. Read the Politico for a change.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 17, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Golden Eagles -

Religion should not be used as an escape from one's personal issues.

It's painfully obvious to everyone here except yourself, what you're trying to deny.

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 17, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

GoldenEagles: You shame everyone who has honorably served and worn the uniform with pride and distinction. I pity you and thank God I did not have to serve with a backward biggot like you. I don't doubt that your profound ignorance and hatred colored the way you treated everyone who isn't white and male, not just gays. I can see why you stand behind the anonymity of your moniker. You're simply too cowardly to let the world know who you really are. History will prove you wrong. Count on it.

Posted by: October10S | December 17, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I served 26 years in the U.S. Army. I find it almost hilarious how most people have no idea how many gays there are in the military. If they all got up and walked out today, the military would cease to function. I would bet that most of the right wingers that are so opposed (except McCain) have never served. Just get it over with. They are there already, serving their country. The military is not the place to enforce old, antiquated prejudices.

Posted by: voldenuit123 | December 17, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

GoldenShowers wrote:

"What does it say about this obsession to EJACULATE the God-Given seed of life, by which populations are renewed, in which all hopes for the victory of mankind are invested, into the excrement cavity? The message is quite clear."

= = = = = = = =

You just love talking about gay men's bodily fluids and orifices, don't you?

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 17, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Looks like DADT is going down. You can tell by the desperate tone from the bigots. I do hope that people like this find it harder and harder to make a life in the military. They're the same kind of toxic waste that commit atrocities against civilians. I'm sure these bone-heads will cause a lot of trouble, but eventually we'll be rid of them.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

As a 16-year (and counting) active duty servicemember with 4 combat deployments, I say (on my own behalf and not on the behalf of my service) that it's about dang time. I realize fully that this will cause some short-term drama in some cases. But in combat, where it counts, there is no reason to fear "disruption" or "distraction." The professional men and women who serve will see clearly that these gay men and women who also serve are as professional as they, are as single-minded and combat-focused as they, and pose no threat to their safety, their mission, or their backsides (if I may be crass for a moment).
The opposition to this change comes from a fundamental view of homosexual people as less-than, in some cases as not even people. Blogs, votes, laws can't change that. Reason requires moving forward despite them. If they don't like working with gays in the service, that's okay; they can get jobs in the civilian world. Just keep in mind, gays are allowed to serve openly there too.

Posted by: Ukdnme | December 17, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Bigotry is costing taxpayers money, it needs to end.

Posted by: Nymous | December 17, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The comments of idiots like thebump show the child-like thought process they use to justify their bigotry.

So it should be up to "military professionals"? You mean the same "military professionals" who deem it appropriate to let gay military servicemen fight while on active duty, and only discharge them after they're done with them?

The same "military professionals" who staged the Jessica what's-her-name rescue story and covered up Pat Tilman's death? THOSE military professionals?

Just be honest, you hateful waste, and admit the truth which involves admitting what you really are.

Posted by: enabler1 | December 17, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I agree that DADT ought to be repealed -- in favor of an outright ban on perverts in the military. Golden Eagles is exactly right that allowing sodomites to serve in the military, and rewriting the conditions for service to include cowtowing to that extremist agenda, will destroy the military.

More to the point, it will put the military in the control of the Socialist Agitators who want to "fundamentally transform" America into a Europian Socialist nation under the control of the intelligensia.

As it stands, the military would not stand by while the Communist Organizer and his puppet master, Soros, staged and coup detat. But, with the military command structure dominated by wimps like Gates and Sodomites, it would support such a move.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse


REMEMBER HISTORY

bluegardenia says, “All the prayers and amen's you homophobics have aren't going to stop the repeal of this law. If it isn't this weekend it will be some other weekend .. “

The same sentiments were surely heard on the streets of Sodom of old. One day they were dancing in the streets over their homosexuals freedoms, indeed pumping their fists in the very face of God. The next day, the city did not exist at all. Wisdom counsels that we remember history. The FATE of the city of Sodom provides the reference point. Stop the homosexual insanity now, before it brings the whole nation down.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Golden Eagle - please stop reading and re-reading and re-reading and re-reading the same passages in an 1,800 year old book and start living in the real world, and deal with your own sexual identity.

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 17, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Ukdnme: Are you even an American? Your monicker begins with UK, making me think you are not.

If you are an American, I will not salute your 16 years of undermining the integrity of our military and society.

You represent about 2% of our society, and need psychological help to cure you of your affliction probably caused by abuse as a child by a sodomite.

There are many people who have been delivered from the sodomite lifestyle, putting the lie to the fiction that it is an inborn trait, such as skin color.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Dave19 wrote

"You sure are EAGER to see DATD overturned, aren't you O'Keefe?

I wonder if you will then report and comment on the inevitable incidents in the US Military which will happen as soon as 'openly gay' men naively rush to enlist to join the 'field of sex' expecting that their Army or Marine superiors will go to great lengths to 'protect them' from an equally open hostile reception."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Army or Marine superiors" have laws to follow when there is a disruption such as prejudice against gays or inappropriate behavior by service members of either sex toward others of the same or opposite sex.

Usually the rules are simple: treat me with prejudice or make a hostile or too intimate comment, I tell you not to do it again. Do it a second time, and I report you to my superior. Follow the law!!!

Furthermore, if any soldier, marine, etc. appears incompetent or incapable of performing their job, there are likewise remedies available in law.

Apply the laws equally to gay and straight service members, and there should be minimal problems.

Pass DADT and be done with it!

Posted by: shayladane | December 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Suppose you were a latent homosexual who had been living a lie. Imagine if you discovered you hadn't needed to hide and hate yourself all those years? That people just like you were going to be able to live openly and happily? You'd be so full of hate and anger your little heart would burst.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

GoldenEagles, perhaps you should stop reading books you can't really understand, namely the Bible. In any case your theocratic arguments are really irrelevant, US is a secular country.

ScottinVA, repeating Glenn Beck does not constitute an opinion.

Posted by: ualec1 | December 17, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

UALEC1: Perhaps you should read that old Book, then decide whether it is irrelevant to this society.

So, repeating hackneyed and trite dismissals of the most important collection of documents in history constitutes an informed opinion, but quoting same does not?

The profundity of your ignorance is astounding!

Furthermore, if Glenn Beck is correct, then repeating a correct staement does not make it invalid. However, I have never heard Beck's opinion on DADT (though it probably mirrors my own).

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER HISTORY #2

ualec1 say, "GoldenEagles, perhaps you should stop reading books you can't really understand, namely the Bible. In any case your theocratic arguments are really irrelevant, US is a secular country."

The same sentiments were surely heard on the streets of Sodom of old. One day they were dancing in the streets over their homosexuals freedoms, indeed pumping their fists in the very face of God. Even proclaiming their independece from the same. The next day, the city did not exist at all. For all

The people in that city were too late in coming to this understanding, that the Earth is the Lord's and the Fullness thereof.

Wisdom counsels that we remember history. The FATE of the city of Sodom provides the reference point. Stop the homosexual insanity now, before it brings the whole nation down.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"Wisdom counsels that we remember history."

So? Who stopped the Persians at Thermopylae? Or have you forgotten your History?

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse


LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE

ScottinVA says, “As it stands, the military would not stand by while the Communist Organizer and his puppet master, Soros, staged and coup detat. But, with the military command structure dominated by wimps like Gates and Sodomites, it would support such a move.”

Actually, ScottinVa can see into the future. This is really what we are talking about. Where the current assumption that the military would never consider any kind of support of a coup of any kind, falls apart, as the honor of the military leadership is corrupted. Their honor is the only thing that keeps the military power of the United States from turning inward and being used to promote a political agenda. Their honor is subverted by forcing them to accept and promote this Anti-God agenda. Their honor is subverted when you make them direct tools of this Ant-God agenda. As they become comfortable with promoting this Anti-God agenda, pushed by a single political party, where the command structure is reorganized to promote this political agenda, where the leaders are programmed to live and breathe this political agenda, the day will come, when that political agenda requires a military defensive action against the American pubic, and lo, what the people never saw coming, will be upon them, and dictatorship will be born on American soil.

Admiral Mullen is a case in point. This individual’s honor has been completely corrupted by a political agenda, as with Sec. Gates. On the bright landscape of American freedom, we see these dark clouds on the horizon. Yes, they appear to be at a distance today. But they are carried by high velocity winds of potent insanity. And they could arrive much sooner than anyone could have ever imagined.

Stop this insanity at the door of the U.S. Military. If it is not stopped, there is nothing that can stop the future outlined, as a military harnessed to advance an Anti-God agenda, will no longer have the balance of the forces of Divine Providence.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

FZDybel: You sodomites like to bring up Thermopylae. Where are the Spartans today?

We are on the same path to oblivion that they and the decadent Roman Empire followed.

We suffer from the same character issues of Sodom of old: "Fullness of bread, abundance of idleness, and pride."
These are the moral flaws that led to the moral actions of sodomy, which finally led to their judgment.

Likewise, no people can remain free if they subject themselve to immorality and hedonism. They are antithetical values.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

ScottinVA is a moron. Ukdnme must be British because "Uk" is in his screen name? Really? Are you serious?

Because you obviously have a limited education and inability to decipher things, so let me type this really slowly.

Ukdnme = You kiddin' me.

ScottinVA, go get yourself an education and stop embarrassing yourself.

And take your bigoted views and shove it.

Posted by: B-rod | December 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Scott,

You don't need to salute me. Your vitriol is sufficient to demonstrate the hate in your soul and I need nothing from you.

However, I welcome your continued invective. It doesn't hurt my feelings. On the contrary, it cements my resolve that I'm on the right side of this debate.

Sincerely,
U-kdn-me (get it?)

Posted by: Ukdnme | December 17, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Where are the Spartans today?"

At the very foundations of our culture and civilization, along with those other "sodomites" the Athenians.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So, a failure to decrypt a coded screen name is indicative of my education and intelligence?

Only a half-wit with no argument stoops to adhomenim attacks and stereotyping.

I asked a question.

But you have not answered the pertinent question, only the one that doesn't matter.

Now, who is embarrassing himself?

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Again ScottinVA, you show an appalling lack of an education. No wonder, you're from VA!

Where you home-schooled? Or just sleep through World History class?

The Roman Empire fell after it adopted Christianity.

Posted by: B-rod | December 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse


THE HOMOSEXUAL-ATHEIST CONNECTION

FrankIBC says, “Golden Eagle - please stop reading and re-reading and re-reading and re-reading the same passages in an 1,800 year old book and start living in the real world ...”

Thank you FrankIBC, for again making clear the connection between the homosexual movement, and the Atheist community that is at War with God. This is exactly what the American people are being seduced into swallowing along with the homosexual agenda, a poison pill of God-Mockery, that will require God our Father to withdraw the protection of Divine Providence from this nation, which would be like sawing off all four legs of your favorite chair. Without those legs, the chair cannot stand. Indeed the world you saw from that high perch, would not be the world you will see when those legs are taken away.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

That shows your public school education.
The Roman Empire fell because it embraced the same moral decadence in its later history that Sodom and Babylon and numerous other societies did.

They never did embrace Christianity, only the melding of Pagan worship with a shell of Christianity. They merely renamed there pagan gods, and called them by the names of the Apostles and Mary.

But don't let me spoil your delusions.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

That shows your public school education.
The Roman Empire fell because it embraced the same moral decadence in its later history that Sodom and Babylon and numerous other societies did.

They never did embrace Christianity, only the melding of Pagan worship with a shell of Christianity. They merely renamed their pagan gods, and called them by the names of the Apostles and Mary.

But don't let me spoil your delusions.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"...that will require God our Father to withdraw the protection of Divine Providence from this nation."

I'm sorry? Where does it say that God the Father has extended His Divine Providence to the United States of America? At the time the Bible was written, this continent was run by heathen savages.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Wisdom counsels that we remember history. The FATE of the city of Sodom provides the reference point."

If GoldenEagle were actually to READ Genesis (13, 14, 18, 19) rather than depending on the garbage that Fundamentalists who claim the Bible is the inerrant word of God but who also have clearly not bothered to read it, he would realize that same-sex relationships had nothing to do with the wickedness of Sodom but rather inhospitality towards strangers. What the Sodomites wanted to do was to show their power over strangers by raping them. This was a power thing, not a sex thing. Lot's response was to try to pimp his virgin daughters so that the Sodomites would leave the angels, to whom he owed the obligations of hospitality, alone. (Genesis doesn't say anything about how enthusiastic Lot's daughters were at the prospect of being gang-raped.) The Sodomites responded by saying let's get everybody in the Lot household, and God decided to invoke the nuclear option on Sodom and also, for unknown reasons other than he didn't like them, Gomorrah. Sort of like George W. Bush devastating Iraq because the 9/11 terrorists funded by the Saudis had been trained in Afghanistan.

Later on Lot's daughters got Lot drunk and took advantage of him while committing incest because they were horny.

Read Genesis, it's all in there, and none of it has anything to do with actual sexual orientation towards people of the same sex.

Posted by: edallan | December 17, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"They merely renamed their pagan gods, and called them by the names of the Apostles and Mary."

Protest all you like, but Christmas is actually Saturnalia: about 5% reverence and 95% revelry. Jesus is actually Mithra, down to the toenails. The idea that only one holy book got it right is particularly ridiculous in light of all the plagiarism that went on.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse


FOUR EXAMPLES OF WISDOM

ScottinVA says, "We are on the same path to oblivion that they and the decadent Roman Empire followed."

ScottinVA says, “We suffer from the same character issues of Sodom of old: "Fullness of bread, abundance of idleness, and pride."

ScottinVA says, "These are the moral flaws that led to the moral actions of sodomy, which finally led to their judgment."

ScottinVA says, "Likewise, no people can remain free if they subject themselve to immorality and hedonism. They are antithetical values."

If you are keeping a notebook, and you should, which records examples of foolishness in one column, and examples of wisdom in another, so you can refer back, in the effort to help you to remember what is what, I would put the above four statements under the heading of WISDOM.

On the other hand, every statement made in support of the homosexual agenda by others on this forum, you would need another notebook entirely to keep track of those.. They are in a category all by themselves. Label those examples as blind self-destructive insanity.

Certainly, the people of Sodom were blind if they were anything. One night they reveled in their homosexual lusts. They did not see what was coming. In other words, they were totally BLIND to what was coming. The next morning there was no city at all.

These individuals will never listen. The hope of our nation are in those individuals who still have a sense of reason solid enough to resist this onward march of the mob over the very edge of this abyss of self-destruction. Those who have a sense of respect for God, and a sense of appreciation for the warnings he has given us through His Prophets, these alone hold in their hands the fate of America in the current moment.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"Now therefore, listen to me, my children, for blessed are those who keep my ways."

"“See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land"

Here are only two passages that promise divine protection over this and any nation that keeps God's laws. These are from the part that's about 5000 years old. There are others in the New Testament, too.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry? Where does it say that God the Father has extended His Divine Providence to the United States of America? At the time the Bible was written, this continent was run by heathen savages.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

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America is blessed because we stopped the Holocaust of God's chosen people the Jews.

Britain couldn't stop the Holocaust. France couldn't stop the Holocaust. Spain couldn't stop the Holocaust. Germany couldn't, heck, it was the Germans who were doing it.

Since then, America has kept a civilizing boot planted firmly on the throat of Europe.

Europe, birthplace of Communism.

Europe, birthplace of Fascism.

Europe, land of the Holocaust.

God bless America.

Posted by: blasmaic | December 17, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"They never did embrace Christianity, only the melding of Pagan worship with a shell of Christianity."

I'm not sure, but I think you just dissed the Holy Roman Church (aka Catholicism) big time.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"America is blessed because we stopped the Holocaust of God's chosen people the Jews."

You don't want to count the Russians? They did the heavy lifting on defeating Germany.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"...This was a power thing, not a sex thing..."
__________
All sex is a power thing without love which makes it a gift versus a power grab.

If sexual orientation doesn't matter on the battle then why was there DADT in the first place--and I mean from the beginning of armies until now?

Answer: because you must fully trust your comrade in arms. You must view them as a brother and not an object of desire...women in the military know this very well.

Which is why women have insisted on dressing like soldiers versus women soldiers etc.

DADT allows those who want to serve to do so but lets those who would have issues of trust to plaster over those issues and view comrades in arms in just that role.

It's not about acceptance; it's about trust. Race and gender both had to face these issues and overcame them in a fashion. I am sure sexual orientation will too.

Posted by: mil1 | December 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

DADT is but one example of backwards we are when it comes to personal rights. I am surprised we still don’t burn witches.

What’s so hard to understand: Our constitution prohibits this type of discrimination. PERIOD. It also guarantees the separation of Church and State. And as a proud ATHIEST I say to you God loving hypocrites you’ve got no say in the matter. What gives you the right to judge other people? Go take a look at the history of organized religion and you’ll see it’s been nothing but an arcane and loathsome parasite. Gay people overwhelming contribute in a positive manner to society and the economy. Those are the facts.

McCain is a pathetic old man, for all he knows, as a pilot during Vietnam he may have received valuable support from gays serving with him. It’s scary to think that he could have been President.

Posted by: JJH1 | December 17, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"What’s so hard to understand: Our constitution prohibits this type of discrimination. PERIOD."

Think of it as a youthful indiscretion. The country had a brief flirtation with this thing called the Enlightenment. We were founded by educated gentle-persons. But then given the nature of the enterprise, they had to turn the whole thing over to the sorts of yahoos who can subdue a continent.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse


There is no constitutional right to serve in the armed forces.

Posted by: screwjob23 | December 17, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse


THE FOUNDATION OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE

fzdybel says, “I'm sorry? Where does it say that God the Father has extended His Divine Providence to the United States of America? At the time the Bible was written, this continent was run by heathen savages.”

Thankyou fzdybel for making it clear where the homosexual agenda is really coming from, even the Atheist Void, having fallen so far into a shadow of moral corruption, that there appears to be no sense of when our nation was even founded, and moreover, no recognition whatsoever left of the role that Divine Providence played in its founding, and in making of this nation a superpower on the world scene in defense of freedom.

As an example of what that foundation of our nation actually consists of, I would quote the words of General George Washington, as being universally representative of the belief structure of the people of that day, which formed the foundation for the victory of the revolution, and which forms the foundation upon which all our freedoms stand today.

"The Hon. Continental Congress having been pleased to allow a Chaplain to each Regiment, with the pay of Thirty-three Dollars and one third pr month -- The Colonels or commanding officers of each regiment are directed to procure Chaplains accordingly; persons of good Characters and exemplary lives -- To see that all inferior officers and soldiers pay them a suitable respect and attend carefully upon religious exercises. The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger -- The General hopes and trusts, that every officer and man, will endeavor so to live, and act, as becomes a Christian Soldier defending the dearest Rights and Liberties of his country."

From General Orders, (July 9, 1776) George Washington Papers at the Library of Congress, 1741-1799: Series 3g Varick Transcripts

The massive mudslide of moral depravity which the homosexual movement represents, would push the American people off of this foundation. What happens when a nation is pushed off its foundation, especially one that sits so high on the mountain side of global responsibility? It will fall into the canyon below. And if you repel down the canyon walls to have a look, you will see, that what you have down there, will be a pile of wreckage, very similar to the pile of wreckage that exists inside of the homosexual mind.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

JJH1: What makes you think I am judging you? I am not.

I am only making you aware of the judgment you are already under for rejecting your Creator in favor of yourself.

I know you want to shoot the messenger; but you will not be able to shoot the Sender of the message, nor extinguish the Message itself.

There is hope for you; many have escaped the bondage and heartache of homosexuality.
Jesus can heal your damaged psyche and your broken heart, and free you from the judgment that will fall upon all who violate His laws.

You are no worse than any hereosexual who engages in illicit sex (or any other activity). "All have sinned and fall short of the glory (expectation) of God."

You need only let go of your pride, and bow your knee to the lordship of Jesus; then you will no true joy, rather than fleeting gratification.

I hope you do.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"Thankyou fzdybel for making it clear where the homosexual agenda is really coming from"

In other words, you have no answer to my request for proof that God has extended his Divine Providence to America, and not the Russians?

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Typo: should be "know true joy" rather than "no true joy".

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

goldeneagles writes, "what is "honorable" about breaking the law?"
You're kidding right? Why don't you ask Gandhi or Martin Luther King?

Posted by: digiphase | December 17, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

fsdybel: I have shown you proof, yet you have not acknowledged it. Golden Eagles has shown you evidence, yet you have chosen to focus on only a straw man argument that says, "Because the godless Soviets were not blessed for their role in stopping the Holocaust, neither can the Christian-founded US."

Perhaps, Genius, it's because the Soviets had their own version of the holocaust shortly afterward, and persecuted the Jews that remained.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Digiphase: Your point is well taken.
There are times when justice and virtue compels us to break the law.

This is NOT one of those times.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"fsdybel: I have shown you proof, yet you have not acknowledged it. Golden Eagles has shown you evidence, yet you have chosen to focus on only a straw man argument..."

That straw man argument was *your* straw man, not mine. You were the one who said that saving the Israelites counted for more than mere piety in God's eye.

In more practical terms, after all this jigger pokery with chaplains and religious services, the British invaded and sacked Washington D.C. In biblical times, having your capital sacked was generally regarded as proof of having lost God's favor. Maybe God finally found out what von Steubing was up to with those subalterns of his?

Either we don't really have Divine Providence on our side, or the ways of Divine Providence are unknowable to the minds of men. Maybe we should concentrate instead on having enough soldiers?

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Bigoted, phony John McCain has now changed his objection to DADT repeal to "not while there are two wars," instead of last month's reason, which was that he didn't trust the military study released December 1.

He should be fully discounted, and America should stop looking like a horse's ass. Israel and 21 NATO nations allow everyone to serve, and it's not a problem. ScottinVa and GoldenEagles can go to church together to pray for the homosexuals already serving in the military who have been wounded and died for the rest of us.

Posted by: Brooklyn3 | December 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Fzdybel: I never said Divine Providence was on our side. I said we must be on His side. If you study history from a biblical world view, you might discover that the sacking of DC was divine retribution for our sacking of York, the provincial capital of Canada. It was a cowardly thing to do; and every time we tried to invade north, it ended in disaster.

Also, it was not my argument at all. Although the Bible clearly indicates that those who bless the children of Abraham will be blessed, it also is clear that the children of Abraham are those who follow Abraham's example, and serve their God and the Messiah He has sent.

That is why it was easier for you to refute than the actual Word of God.

Having enough soldiers is not the path to victory, and has never been. Having the right soldiers and faith in Divine Providence for our welfare is the key to victory.

Posted by: ScottinVA | December 17, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

MORE ON THE SUBJECT OF STOLEN HONOR

digiphase says, “goldeneagles writes, "what is "honorable" about breaking the law?"
You're kidding right? Why don't you ask Gandhi or Martin Luther King?

This reply again exhibits the characteristic trait of the homosexual lobby to Steal the Honor of other famous people. Homosexuals have no honor, only debauchery, and the deepest agony of guilt and shame, and for the very survival of their own self-worth, they must steal the self-worth of others to wrap around themselves. Again, this is the root reason for the homosexuals trying to kick down the door into the U.S. Military establishment. Here is certainly a treasure of honor. A giant wardrobe of kingly vestments. In this regard, homosexuals are like a bunch of naked paupers trying to smash through the plate glass windows of an upscale clothing store.

Gandhi and Martin Luther King were going after the goal of justice. Thus, when they broke the law, in their campaigns of civil disobedience, they were breaking unjust laws, that were used to suppress the genuine rights of real people.

They were trully about the process of throwing off chains, while homosexuals are about the process of relishing their own chains, and throwing those chains around other people.

It is therefore, a tremendous fraud to try to drape the kingly vestments of Gandhi and Martin Luther King over the debauchery of homosexuals. Bring to mind any homosexual pride parade that you have seen, and juxtapose that with the noble pursuits of these two historic giants. To infer any moral equivalency, is to utter a stream of sewage in the form of words.

This GREAT HOMOSEXUAL QUEST to secure as one of the noble rights of mankind, this passion to place the primary sexual organ into the excrement opening of another male, and to ejaculate the God-Given seed of life into the embrace of excrement, and to have this practice displayed before the people upon the pedestal of golden virtue, and to make the whole nation bow down before it in respect, will not go down in history as one of the great and noble pursuits of an illuminated society. I can assure you of that.

God our Father has made it clear for all generations, that this is an abomination in his sight, and he will not recognize any “right” to commit such abominations. He has promised us that nations who take the path of championing abominations, will begin the process by which a large sink hole begins to form underneath the pavement. And lo, one day, the whole collapses into that sink hole in a jumble of rubble and twisted metal.

Thus ends all human pursuits in the direction of self-destruction.

Stop this insanity towards self-destruction now.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse


MORE ON THE SUBJECT OF STOLEN HONOR

digiphase says, “goldeneagles writes, "what is "honorable" about breaking the law?" You're kidding right? Why don't you ask Gandhi or Martin Luther King?

This reply again exhibits the characteristic trait of the homosexual lobby to Steal the Honor of other famous people. Homosexuals have no honor, only debauchery, and the deepest agony of guilt and shame, and for the very survival of their own self-worth, they must steal the self-worth of others to wrap around themselves. Again, this is the root reason for the homosexuals trying to kick down the door into the U.S. Military establishment. Here is certainly a treasure of honor. A giant wardrobe of kingly vestments. In this regard, homosexuals are like a bunch of naked paupers trying to smash through the plate glass windows of an upscale clothing store.

Gandhi and Martin Luther King were going after the goal of justice. Thus, when they broke the law, in their campaigns of civil disobedience, they were breaking unjust laws, that were used to suppress the genuine rights of real people.

They were trully about the process of throwing off chains, while homosexuals are about the process of relishing their own chains, and throwing those chains around other people.

It is therefore, a tremendous fraud to try to drape the kingly vestments of Gandhi and Martin Luther King over the debauchery of homosexuals. Bring to mind any homosexual pride parade that you have seen, and juxtapose that with the noble pursuits of these two historic giants. To infer any moral equivalency, is to utter a stream of sewage in the form of words.

This GREAT HOMOSEXUAL QUEST to secure as one of the noble rights of mankind, this passion to place the primary sexual organ into the excrement opening of another male, and to ejaculate the God-Given seed of life into the embrace of excrement, and to have this practice displayed before the people upon the pedestal of golden virtue, and to make the whole nation bow down before it in respect, will not go down in history as one of the great and noble pursuits of an illuminated society. I can assure you of that.

God our Father has made it clear for all generations, that this is an abomination in his sight, and he will not recognize any “right” to commit such abominations. He has promised us that nations who take the path of championing abominations, will begin the process by which a large sink hole begins to form underneath the pavement. And lo, one day, the whole collapses into that sink hole in a jumble of rubble and twisted metal.

Thus ends all human pursuits in the direction of self-destruction.

Stop this insanity towards self-destruction now.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

" ...sacking of DC was divine retribution for our sacking of York, the provincial capital of Canada."

You mean there are OTHER SINS besides sodomy for which God may withdraw the favor of Divine Providence? Goodness gracious, this throws everything off the rails. Who cares about DADT? Now I'm quite sure there is no way for us to lose the favor of God's Divine Providence, because clearly we can never have had it. Just look at all the horrible things we do, starting with those poor North American natives, all the way to our latest atrocities.

I can just see the Selective Service interviews that will go into selecting what you considere the "right soldiers." Will we be asking them if they've been washed in the blood of a lamb?

Sorry, I have to go off now. A bunch of us geniuses are getting together to celebrate Saturnalia.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"America is blessed because we stopped the Holocaust of God's chosen people the Jews."

You don't want to count the Russians? They did the heavy lifting on defeating Germany.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

//

Hey fzdybel, do you want to guess which regime killed more innocent people?

Was it the NAZI or Soviet Regime under Stalin?

Did Soviet Russian bring any good to Eastern Europe after the war?

Just Sayin...?

Posted by: DonnyKerabatsos | December 17, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing posts about religious beliefs and intollerance. It's not about agreeing with a person's homosexual lifestyle. It is certainly not about rape (rabbit7, I'm talking to you. your post is ridiculous. Thank you for comparing the military population to that of our prison systems.). It's true that the military will adapt to the repeal. These are strong men and women who serve their country to protect the lives of those who live there. We're not animals and haters.

Some concerns that people have is housing, bathrooms and people joining just to prove a point and not with a sincere desire to serve. There is so much pressure for the military to accept this change and yet the Nation, as a whole, has not accepted it. If everyone is so ready for liberation why is there still men's and women's bathrooms, why not unisex? Same sex marriage is not even recognized nationally so it will still not be recognized in the military. Same sex partners will not be entitled to benefits. All this will do is cause unnecessary hostility among the service. I'm not saying that it should never happen. I just don't understand why the military is the test group for tolerance. The military is still trying to get used to women. Your talking about a group of individuals who are largely conservative with a lot of aggression. You're kidding yourself if you think that there will not be issues if DADT is repealed.

Posted by: mg78 | December 17, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

GoldenEagles - honestly, what are you trying to prove here? Everyone whom I've encountered who is as obsessed with the subject of homosexuality as you are, discussing it in such graphic terms as you do, and flee into the fantasy world of biblical mumbo-jumbo, has himself been a represssed, self-hating homosexual.

Do you fit that description, GoldenEagles? Your extreme obsession seems to indicate that you do. You're fooling no one here except yourself.

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 17, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Somebody please tell GoldenEagle that straight men aren't as obsessed with gay people as he is. If he wants to credibly pretend to be straight, he should stop sounding like a hysterical closet-case who spends way too much time thinking about gay sex.

Posted by: uh_huhh | December 17, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I just wish he would stop citing fables from childhood which have no basis whatsoever in actual history.

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

@GoldenEagles

The only time I have seen someone rant as much anti-gay sentiments as you do is when that person doesn't just have an issue with homosexuals, but is dealing with their own personal demons.

Although they often hope their Christian faith will help them overcome their inner homosexual urges, I hate to say this, but it doesn't work.

You can try as hard as you want to, but continuing to attack that which you find is the most disgusting about yourself is just refusing to face up to the reality of who you really are.

If you don't believe me, ask Atlanta megachurch Pastor Jim Swilley who in October had the courage to openly admit he has always known he was gay.

Or you can continue in the same mode as Ted Haggard or Eddie Long. Good Luck with those demons!

Posted by: vtmoreno | December 17, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

GoldenEagle is simply an ugly human being, full of hatred.

Lets hope he ends up in need someday, and a entirely gay ambulance crew arrives at his door.

DADT is dated and should be gone. We're all Americans and none should be treated any different than anyone else.

Posted by: expert47 | December 17, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"It's not just a vote. This is my life."


Oh, get a life................Your whole 'life' DOES NOT depend upon that vote.

Posted by: momof20yo | December 17, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Activists had worried earlier Thursday that they might lose a "yes" vote when Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) announced plans to have surgery next week to treat early stage prostate cancer."


Gay people are the most selfish, narcissistic people on the planet.
How awful can you be to worry more about your own selfish 'wants', instead of potentially life-saving surgery that someone NEEDS.

Pathetic.

Posted by: momof20yo | December 17, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

@GoldenEagles

Another thing to note is even though many Christians today have morphed into angry virulent people spewing forth hateful condemnations, the main teachings of Christianity (or Judaism) tells people foremost in the teachings is one should learn to love and respect one another.

What sins people commit is between themselves, their loved ones and eventually their maker. Anyone else who feels a need to throw stones at these sinners needs to take some time out, put down their rocks, and re-read their bibles to understand the ONLY good example you can set for others is by showing love and compassion for everyone, even the sinner.

In their pursuit of retribution against sinners, that's something many of today's Christians have completely forgotten and instead allowed their anger to get the better of themselves.

Posted by: vtmoreno | December 17, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

It is so overwhelmingly obvious that the only intent of DADT is to impose religious dogma on our military and by extention on the rest of the country.

And why wouldn't they?

It is a path whose ultimate goal is nothing less than an unelected fourth branch of government that USURPS all other duly elected officials.

Who WOULDN'T want to erect a self-sustaining branch of governmental power that they can build for themselves?

It has long been understood that religion is a direct threat to direct democracy. And issues like this prove that assumption unequivocably.

Posted by: ethanquern | December 17, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Lieberman's is anything but credible. A loser as bad as Obama. What's his gain for undermining the military?

Homosexuals in the military? No. Pvt. Manning is a perfect role model for why homosexuals should not be in the military. This activist homosexual took his hatred for DADT and committed treason. Sold out the country for his perverted lifestyle. Members of the military should not have to share bunks, showers, and foxholes with homosexuals.

Posted by: MatthewWeaver | December 17, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I have trained and commanded men and officers for combat, from rifle platoon, company, battalion and up to a 4,000 man brigade, and commanded them at company and battalion level in two bloody wars. AND had to deal with a gay infantry lieutenant assigned to me in the Korean War.

Men in his platoon did NOT want to serve or go out on dangerous patrols with him. Fortunately for them he was killed in action.

It is clear to me that you, and thousands of other civilians who have never served, don't really give a dxxx whether soldiers or Marines die or not, while you think that gays should be put on some pedestal by forcing all the REST of the US Military to tolerate them.

You don't deserve either the Army OR Marine you have.

Posted by: dave19
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Gee, Dave, from your many posts, I knew you were an antisemitic bastard. I didn't know you were a homphobic and traitorous bastard, as well.


Posted by: FarnazMansouri2 | December 17, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

momof20yo, your post is just plain stupid. No one is demanding or even asking that Sen. Wyden postpone his surgery so that he can make the vote.

You wrote: "Gay people are the most selfish, narcissistic people on the planet."

That post says more about your own stupid bigotry than it does about those to whom you direct that.

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 17, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

@momof20yo, your comments:
"Oh, get a life................Your whole 'life' DOES NOT depend upon that vote." And "Gay people are the most selfish, narcissistic people on the planet. How awful can you be to worry more about your own selfish 'wants', instead of potentially life-saving surgery that someone NEEDS."

Listen, you angry OLD HAG, you need to get a life and learn to butt out of other people's lives.

And if Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) has decided to stay the weekend for important votes, that's his business. And Gays can be grateful to him for it.

As for you, spend more time harassing your 20 y.o. and leave everyone else to live their lives the way they deem fit. Because, again, it's none of your business.

Posted by: vtmoreno | December 17, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse


HOMOSEXUALS ARE LIKE SCORPIONS
THEY STING THEIR OPPONENTS INTO
SILENCE ....

FrankIBC says, “Everyone whom I've encountered who is as obsessed with the subject of homosexuality as you are ... has himself been a represssed, self-hating homosexual.”

uh_huhh says, “Somebody please tell GoldenEagle that straight men aren't as obsessed with gay people as he is.”

vtmoreno says, “The only time I have seen someone rant as much anti-gay sentiments as you do is when that person doesn't just have an issue with homosexuals, but is dealing with their own personal demons.”

When the hornets fly you know you found the central nest. My last post titled, “MORE ON THE SUBJECT OF STOLEN HONOR”, December 17, 2010 4:13 PM , hit the very center of the target. I will repost that directly. I especially like this imagery: “this is the root reason for the homosexuals trying to kick down the door into the U.S. Military establishment. Here is certainly a treasure of honor. A giant wardrobe of kingly vestments. In this regard, homosexuals are like a bunch of naked paupers trying to smash through the plate glass windows of an upscale clothing store.”

Now, as you can see, a common homosexual tactic used to intimidate their opponents into silence, is to suggest the presence of homosexual tendencies in those who oppose them. Having been on the business end of this tactic many times myself, and here we go again, I can tell you, it’s truly like being hit with a really slimy ball of excrement which they have scooped off of their private parts in the course of their depraved behavior. And it sticks, and you feel smelly all over, and you tend to walk away from the discussion for a time. But after awhile, you learn to carry a doggy poop bag with you, the kind the people use when they walk their dogs, and you learn to catch the stuff in the air before it hits you.

But I won’t throw it back. What’s the point?

You wonder why more people don’t stand up and oppose them? It is because they have become the masters at character assassination. They have the people of America, with their knees knocking, cowering in fear of being labeled a “homophobe” a “bigot” and more. Their debating style mirrors their sexual behavior. It is crude and immoral, and signals the decline of rational discourse across the board.

If I have an obsession, it is with the survival of the nation. This wave of moral depravity, like a mudslide that creeps along inexorably to the goal of total national suffocation, will leave a national corpse in its wake.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

ACCORDING TO RELIGIOUS LAWS AND CUSTOMS, WOMEN CAN'T SIT AS JUDGES,ie SCOTUS 3 OF 9 ARE
I DO NOT CONSENT AND WAIVE THE BENEFITS TO ALL IMF IRS 501 (c)(3) LLC- RELIGIOUS CORP. LAWS.
AS A US CITIZEN ,I AM ALWAYS *AMICUS CURIAE *A FRIEND OF THE COURT 264F.276,279,, 64N.Y.S.2d510,512, AND AS WELL AS *QUI TAM* 21N.W.2d287,289

FOREIGN RELIGIOUS COUNTRIES AND THEIR INHUMANE LAWS/CUSTOMS, REJECTS THE US CONSTITUTION, SO WHY SHOULD WE BEND TO THEIR ARCHAIC INHUMANE DEATH CUSTOMS AND LAWS, SUCH A SHARIA LAW WOULD PRESENT A " CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER " TO US CITIZEN AND ALLOW WARS IN THE STREETS AS IN OTHER COUNTRIES, IT'S NOT ABOUT PEACE, IT'S ABOUT PIECES

"COLOR OF LAW" THE MERE SEMBLANCE OF A LEGAL RIGHT/DUTY 202NW144,148, AN ACTION DONE UNDER THE COLOR OF LAW IS ONE DONE WITH THE APPARENT AUTHORITY OF LAW BUT ACTUALLY IN CONTRAVENTION OF LAW, A FEDERAL "CAUSE OF ACTION" MAY BE MAINTAINED AGAINST A STATE OFFICER WHO UNDER "COLOR LAW" DEPRIVE A PERSON OF HIS "CIVIL RIGHTS 42USCss1983

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse


MORE ON THE SUBJECT OF STOLEN HONOR

digiphase says, “goldeneagles writes, "what is "honorable" about breaking the law?" You're kidding right? Why don't you ask Gandhi or Martin Luther King?

This reply again exhibits the characteristic trait of the homosexual lobby to Steal the Honor of other famous people.

Homosexuals have no honor, only debauchery, and the deepest agony of guilt and shame, and for the very survival of their own self-worth, they must steal the self-worth of others to wrap around themselves, even as a stolen garment.


Again, this is the root reason for the homosexuals trying to kick down the door into the U.S. Military establishment. Here is certainly a treasure of honor. A giant wardrobe of kingly vestments. In this regard, homosexuals are like a bunch of naked paupers trying to smash through the plate glass windows of an upscale clothing store.

Gandhi and Martin Luther King were going after the goal of Justice. Thus, when they broke the law, in their campaigns of civil disobedience, they were breaking unjust laws, that were used to suppress the genuine rights of real people.

They were truly about the process of throwing off chains, while homosexuals are about the process of relishing their own chains, and throwing those chains around other people.

It is therefore, a tremendous fraud to try to drape the kingly vestments of Gandhi and Martin Luther King over the debauchery of homosexuals. Indeed, just bring to mind any homosexual pride parade that you have seen, and juxtapose that with the noble pursuits of these two historic giants. To infer any moral equivalency, is to utter a stream of sewage in the form of words.

This GREAT HOMOSEXUAL QUEST to secure as one of the noble rights of mankind, this passion to place the primary sexual organ into the excrement opening of another male, and to ejaculate the God-Given seed of life into the embrace of excrement, and to have this practice displayed before the people upon the pedestal of golden virtue, and to make the whole nation bow down before it in respect, will not go down in history as one of the great and noble pursuits of an illuminated society. I can assure you of that.

God our Father has made it clear for all generations, that this is an abomination in his sight, and he will not recognize any “right” to commit such abominations. He has promised us that nations who take the path of championing abominations, will begin the process by which a large sink hole begins to form underneath the pavement. And lo, one day, the whole collapses into that sink hole in a jumble of rubble and twisted metal.

Thus ends all human pursuits in the direction of self-destruction.

Stop this insanity towards self-destruction now.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

"Hey fzdybel, do you want to guess which regime killed more innocent people?"

I don't have to "guess" because I have the benefit of education. The point is that apparently even God thinks there are worse crimes to worry about than sodomy.

Posted by: fzdybel | December 17, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I'll believe it when they do it.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | December 17, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"Here is certainly a treasure of honor. A giant wardrobe of kingly vestments."

What on earth are you babbling about, GoldenShowers?

Are you a repressed fashion designer or something?

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 17, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

ALL CHURCH'S ,TEMPLES, etc., (INCORPORATIONS) ARE BY LAW IMF U.C.C. IRS 501(c)(3) LLC/S-CORPORATIONS NOT-FOR-PROFIT (FOR PROFIT REALLY) JUST LOOK HOW THE TOP ALWAYS END UP LIVING GOOD AND WEALTHY DOING THE THINGS THE DUMB SHEEP ARE NOT TO DO, a corporation is a Fictitious "PERSON" made up by people to function as one person, CORPORATIONS ARE NOT A CITIZENS 32US243 wikipedia /google Constitine . THE TAX EXEMPT STATUS IS NOT IN THE CONSTITUTION, FOR THE UNITED STATES IS A CORPORATION SEE TITLE 28USC3001(15)(A)(B)(C) aka THE VIRGINIA COMPANY

EXTREMISTS OF ANY RELIGIOUS CORPORATION ARE TERRORIST (PATRIOT/NATIONAL SECURITY ACT)

WHEN XTIAN THOUGHT THE REPORT WOULD BE IN THEIR FAVOR THEY THE XTIANS WERE FOR IT, NOW THAT IS IS KNOWN NOT TO FAVOR THE XTIAN etc BIASED VIEWS, NOW THEY OPPOSE IT, HYPOCRITICAL FROM THAT $$$ IMF IRS 501 (C)(3) LLC/S-CORPORATION THAT THE BLIND SHEEP GIVE THE "EVIL DOLLAR" TOO.


THE US CONSTITUTION IS ABOVE RELIGIOUS INHUMANE LAWS, DON'T LIKE IT, THEN LEAVE PERIOD, THE CONDUCT OF THIS NATION IS THE CONSTITUTION AND FEDERAL STATUTES, NOT THE JUNGLE LAWS OF INHUMANE NON-CIVIL SUPERSTITIOUS RELIGIOUS DELUSIONAL HALLUCINATION NON-REASON LAWS, THE LAWS OF THIS LAND IS THE CONSTITUTION AND STATUES NOT RELIGION, THEY SHOULD LEAVE PERIOD

ALL US CITIZENS HAVE THE CIVIL RIGHT IS SERVE IN THE MILITARY " USA OATH OF ALLEGIANCE," 8 C.F.R. Part 337 (2008))

I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;

* allegiance to the United States Constitution,
* renunciation of allegiance to any foreign country to which the immigrant has had previous allegiances to
* defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"

* promise to serve in the United States Armed Forces when required by law (either combat or non-combat)

* promise to perform civilian duties of "national importance" when required by law

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

GOOGLE/ WIKIPEDIA: KING JAMES BIBLE GAY......YES HE WAS A BISEXUAL HYPOCRITE....REMEMBER THAT[ EVERY TIME XTIANS THUMP THEIR BIBLE THE KJV, MORE PEOPLE ARE NOW AWARE OF THIS FACT ABOUT KJV LIFE (OH ITS ON IN THE BLOG WARS)

GOOGLE: NATIONAL STOLEN PROPERTY ACT

HOW COULD MOSES WRITE ABOUT HIS OWN DEATH AND BURIAL??? AFTER HE DIED???

THE AUTHORIZED KJV WAS A TRANSLATED VERSION IN THE RECEPTUS TEXTUS MANUSCRIPT WITH WORD ADDITIONS IN ITALICS, THAT DON'T APPEAR IN THE ORIGINAL COPIES, WILLIAM SHAKSPIRE THE PLAYWRITE AND HIS BAND OF ROSICRUCIAN511776 MYSTICS IN 1611 WITH NUMEROUS ADDITIONS IT THE FIRSTS 60 YRS OF IT EXISTENCE, TRANSLATED THEIR VERSION OF THE RECEPTUS TEXTUS THAT KING JAMES AUTHORIZED THEM TO DO, FROM THE STOLEN VATICAN PROPERTY ie THE RECEPTUS TEXTUS, IN THE 1800s THE APOCRYPHA WAS FINALLY REMOVED, WHICH IS STILL APART OF THE VATICAN BIBLE AS WELL AS ECCLESIASTICS CHP13-22, STOLEN PROPERTY CAN'T BE COPY RIGHTED

GOOGLE; KING AUGUSTINE OF SYRIA 1050 AD CONSOLIDATE RELIGION
When then King Augustine of Syria held the most famous religious consolidation conference in the year 1050 to bring the numerous religious factions all under one umbrella religion, inventing the supposed miracles, writing and rewriting the biblical story, gathering concepts from multiple religious belief systems, and glomming onto the figure of Jesus, a past and prominent member of the Syrian royal family, to concoct a believable church-state heirarchy that has survived to the current day, providing authoritarian haven for criminals and conmen.

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

* GOOGLE AND YOUTUBE: RELIGION MENTAL ILLNESS: AND YOU'LL SEE THE PSYCHOLOGY REPORTS ON EXTREMISM SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS DELUSIONAL AND SELF INDUCED HALLUCINATIONS AND DEADLY VIOLENCE,...GOOGLE: RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM CAUSES MENTAL ILLNESS...THEIR CRAZIES PERIOD

Like in "The Devils Advocate" Religious Archaic Inhumane Laws Are what causes Mental Illness, "smell but don't look, look but don't touch, touch but don't taste, taste but don't swollow, swollow but don't enjoy. This Make The Double Conflicting Split Mind That causes Fanatical Rants , Hypocricy, self blame then the condemning/ punishment of others etc., to feel self-rightousness (Freuds= Paranoiad Regretion/ Denile /Rejection/ Projetion, then self-justfication "BY GOD" Delusions, that recycles more and more,rejecting Rational Thinking and Reason, that leads to Inhumane NON-Civility Acts of non-self defence rage, and we know what types of blind judgement those leads to, see the media reports

RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE NOT HUMANE EQUALITY LAWS (SHARIA/ LEVITICAL etc), THERE JIM CROW LIKE
RELIGIOUS INHUMAN DEATH LAWS ARE VERY MUCH OUT DATED AND SHOULD FADE AWAY ASAP, DUE TO SCIENTIFIC, PSYCHOLOGICAL, TECHNOLOGICAL, MEDICAL Rx ARTS DISCOVERY'S. ( JOHN GALT )

"COLOR OF LAW" THE MERE SEMBLANCE OF A LEGAL RIGHT/DUTY 202NW144,148, AN ACTION DONE UNDER THE COLOR OF LAW IS ONE DONE WITH THE APPARENT AUTHORITY OF LAW BUT ACTUALLY IN CONTRAVENTION PF LAW, A FEDERAL "CAUSE OF ACTION" MAY BE MAINTAINED AGAINST A STATE OFFICER WHO UNDER "COLOR LAW" DEPRIVE A PERSON OF HIS "CIVIL RIGHTS 42USCss1983

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

IF PASSED, THERE WILL BE MANY VIOLATIONS OF BOTH US CITIZEN AND NON-CITIZENS EQUAL PROTECTIONS UNDER THE LAW, BILL OF RIGHT, AND CIVIL RIGHTS,IT'S-CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER

THE US CONSTITUTION IS THE SUPREME LAW OF THE UNITED STATES, NOT FOREIGN/RELIGIOUS LAWS
ART.6 CL.2, AND IN CL.3, (RES IPSA LOQUITUR, RES JUDICATA )(NOR CAN A RELIGIOUS TEST/DEMAND/ QUESTIONING/NATURE, CAN BE GIVEN TO A US CITIZEN THEY ARE A PARTY TO THE PUBLIC TRUST (EXECUTIVE ORDER 13037) CITIZENS ARE HUMAN CAPITAL, CAPITUS DIMINUTIO MAXIMA, C.U.S.I.P. BONDS


NON-US CITIZENS AND US CITIZENS ARE LIABLE (CRIMINALLY/CIVIL) FOR PUSHING FOREIGN LAWS
AND CUSTOMS ON ANY US CITIZEN AND NON-US CITIZEN ON US SOIL, THAT'S A TREASONOUS ACT PERIOD

ie XTIANS USE OF LEVITICUS ,BIBLE AND SHARIA TO BLOCK DADT REPEAL AND SAME SEX MARRIAGE CONTRACTS , THE US CONSTITUTION LAW DOCTRINE CALLED "FREEDOM OF CONTRACT" ALLOWS ADULT US CITIZENS TO ENTER INTO CONTRACTS, XTIANS MIS-LEADING USE OF FOREIGN RELIGIOUS LAWS TO BLOCK BOTH CONSTITUTIONAL/CIVIL RIGHTS OF THOSE SAME SEX (XXY MALE/ INTERSEX )US CITIZENS ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND TREASONOUS, DUE TO THE FACT THAT THOSE RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE FOREIGN LAWS FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES, NOT NATIVE AMERICAN LAWS THAT ARE THE ONLY RELIGIOUS LAW FROM THE USA, THE US CONSTITUTION FORBIDS BOTH FOREIGN/ RELIGIOUS LAWS BEING ENFORCED ON US CITIZENS, THEY FAIL THE HUMAN CIVILITY EQUALITY TEST , THEY PRESENT A "CLEAR & PRESENT DANGER" TO BOTH US CITIZENS AND NON-CITIZENS, HERE ON US SOIL PERIOD

An unofficial translation of the ruling cites an Old Testament passage (Deuteronomy 7:2) which talks about making "treaties" with other peoples. The translation warns that it can lead to intermarriage and other problems "because their lifestyle is different from that of the Jews."

FULL FAITH AND CREDIT LAW DOCTRINE

APPLIES TO SISTER US STATES ONLY,NOT FOREIGN LAWS AND JUDGMENTS ART.4sec.1, 72US290,302, BUT IT CAN BE CHALLENGED OF EQUALITY BALANCE 356US604,607,/ 325US226,229/ 375US106,111,

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness. Teenage-like squeamishness has trumped civil rights for too long. Bravo!

Posted by: nansev | December 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

With the suicides amongst, and heinous violence against the LGBT community, the situation of politicans and pundits railing against them has to now be looked at seriously.

These bigots of course existed in previous eras, trying to oppress other minorities.

It is time to single them out as fearmongers and instigators. As the GOP apologist Bill O'Reilly once said of any journalist who dared challenge the Iraq invasion, "You'll be spotlighted"...

- Balkingpoints / www

Posted by: RField7 | December 17, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

IT IS GENETICS BEING RE-ENFORCED BY NATURE ie ESTROGEN IN FOOD/ WATER/ AIR/PLASTICS/ and mercury etc. GOOGLE: Study: Mercury pollution causes birds to act gay : IT'S IRONIC THE IRIBIS/ BENNU/ PHOENIX BIRD REPRESENTS THE DIVINE BI-SEXUAL CHILD CALLED RIBIS/ REBIS IN ALCHEMY OF WHICH IT SAYS MERCURY MUST BE JOINED TO MERCURY, IBIS=THOTH, THOTH = MERCURY/HERMES= HERMAPHRODITUS= HERMAPHRODITE ie, ....INTERSEX/ XXY MALES.... IS GENETICS..... THEREFORE A RACE ....379US184,191.... AS ALCHEMY TEXT SAY THERE ARE THREE SEXES MALE-FEMAL-& HERMAPHRODITE, SEE .....AMERICANS WITH DIABILITIES ACT..... ON GENETICS PROTECTIONS....., AGAIN RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE NO EXCUSE TO BE INHUMAN NOR A TERROTIST PERIOD

SIN INVOLVES A CHOICE, ESTROGEN IN THE FOOD -WATER-AIR SOURCES AND IN GENETICS IS NOT A CHOICE, ITS NOT A SIN OR "GOD" WOULD BE UNJUST IN THESE TWO MAIN AREAS ( FOOD/ GENES) : THEREFORE IT'S NOT A SIN (-CHOICE)

GOOGLE/ YOUTUBE /Wikipedia the terms: "INTERSEX" AND "XXY /XXXY MALES " IT'S ALL SCIENTIFIC FACT, ((ADA)AMERICANS with DISABILITIES ACT Civil Rights Section LAW ) BIOLOGICAL GENETIC VARIANTS, people ARE BORN with both fully, ENVIRONMENTAL ESTROGEN RE-ENFORCES IT Complete AIS means that the person will look absolutely FEMALE OR MALE from the outside. However AIS is only one of about 75 KNOWN different intersex GENETIC conditions ,and 'INTERSEX/ XXY/ XXXY MALES" occurs in ALL RACES. (ADA) PROTECTS NORMAL HUMAN BIOLOGICAL GENETIC VARIANTS

SEEING THAT SCIENCE AGAIN HAS CLEARED THE WAY THEN, THEREFORE RELIGIOUS/ POLITICAL AND OTHERS etc MAY BE LIABLE FOR THEIR INHUMANE HATE SPEECH THAT BOTH INSIGHT TERRORIST VIOLENCE & CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS , SEE THE (ADA) FED LAW & KKK CASE LAW PRECEDENCE, THE US PATRIOT ACT AND NATIONAL SECURITY ACT FOR TERRORISM AGAINST ANY US CITIZEN

THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT (ADA) COVERS BIOLOGICAL GENETIC VARIANT WITH REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS " INTERSEXED/XXY MALE etc" ARE BIOLOGICAL GENETIC VARIANTS, MUST SHOW THEY CAN DO THE JOB, THAT ALSO IS WHAT BASIC TRAINING IS FOR, A LOT OF HETERALS GET FLUSHED OUT FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE/ NEGOTIATE THE PHYSICAL OBSTICLE DEMANDS, ALSO MORE THAT SAME SEXERS


* GOOGLE AND YOUTUBE: RELIGION MENTAL ILLNESS: AND YOU'LL SEE THE PSYCHOLOGY REPORTS ON EXTREMISM SELF RIGHTIOUSNESS DELUSIONAL AND SELF INDUCED HALLUCINATIONS AND DEADLY VIOLENCE,...GOOGLE: RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM CAUSES MENTAL ILLNESS...THEIR CRAZIES PERIOD

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse


MORE ON THE SUBJECT OF STOLEN HONOR

FrankIBC asks, “What on earth are you babbling about ... Are you a repressed fashion designer or something?”

I am using a metaphor to describe the process by which homosexuals steal the honor of other people, wrapping it around themselves, to make their homosexuality appear honorable, covering up the truth of the swamp like mass of moral depravity that actually exists within them, and thus, to make themselves appear to be more honorable in their own eyes, even as an act of ultimate self-deception, and moreover, to make themselves appear to be more honorable in the eyes of others.

As a routine matter, homosexuals cherry pick famous people from the past, and claim them as homosexuals. And thus they wrap that (stolen) fame around their own homosexuality in the present.

In this regard, the military is an institution of high honor. This honor was built up by non-homosexuals. Homosexuals had nothing at all to do with the honor that the military has built up over its long tradition of service to our nation. Homosexuals want to get into the military, so they can wrap that honor around themselves, for the purposes just stated. To make their homosexuality look and appear honorable to themselves and to the American people.

Stealing the honor of others is part of the strategy of creating an image the American people will be more comfortable with, making it more likely that they will take the next step, and allow homosexual marriages.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

"ADAM KADMON" THE IMAGE OF "YHVH GOD" WAS CREATED AN HERMAPHRODITE AND MANKIND WILL BECOME THAT AGAIN, ie MARRIAGE IS THE CONTRACTUAL CEREMONY FOR THE HERMAPHRODITE FUTURE OF MANKIND ie (THE TWO BECOME ONE FLESH AS IN THE BEGINNING), TO SQUARE THE CIRCLE, MALES =TESTO ANGULAR SQUARE IN FACE (MARS) AND FEMALE= ESTRO ARE ROUNDISH CIRCLE (VENUS), THE HERMAPHRODITE IS BOTH=T-ESTRO (ANDROGENIC DHEA) ie OCTOGENARIAN IN FACES (HERMES/ DIANA), =BOTH STATIC AND MOVABLE AT THE SAME TIME AND PLACE ie THE 2SPIRIT BEING CAN TRAVEL WITHOUT MOVING ie HERMETIC LIBERAL ARTS AND SCIENCES (LAW/ CIVILIZATION)


TO THE JEWS THE SHEKHINAT EIL /ISLAM ALLAT ( SHEKINAH/ASHERAH/ASHERAT/ELOAH ) ARE THE FEMININE (6) TERMS FOR YHVH GOD OF ISRAEL WHOM THE XTIANS CALL THE HOLY GHOST OR HOLY SPIRIT:GOOGLE IT OK, SEE IT AND READ IT FOR YOURSELF (=to saying Ms. Mrs. etc.)

JEWS/ ISLAM AND XTIAN SEMINARIES KNOW THAT ADAM WAS CREATED AN HERMAPHRODITE (INTESEXED MALE =REBIS/RIBIS ie PHEONIX THE PERFECT DIVINE INTERSEXD CHILD) AND CALLED PERFECT AND GOOD, SURA AL KAYAMA (KORAN) FROM ONE BLOOD HE (ALLAH) MADE HIM (ADAM), AND FROM HIM (ADAM), HE (ALLAH ) MADE BOTH MALE AND FEMALE, GENESIS :EVE CAME OUT OF ADAM, FEMALE IS ALSO THE IMAGE OF YHVH (THE INTERSEXED BEING XX/Y)

FYI A LOT SAME SEXERS AND BISEXUALS BOTH HAVE BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN OK (AKIN/ RICKY MARTIN/ CHENEY'S DAUGHTER exp) THEIR ARE MANY MORE ,INDIA HINDI ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A LEAST ONE CHILD THEN LIVE THEIR LIFE

GOOGLE: "GOD BIBLE ADAM ANDROGYNY/ HERMAPHRODITE" AND "ALCHEMY REBIS"

ROSICRUCIAN DOCTRINE (THE 3 SEXES HERMAPHRODITE REBIS THE PHEONIX BEING THE FIRST SEX AND THE END DIVINE CHILD OF THE LIGHT)
Concerning the Material of the Stone
The Alchemy web site on Levity.com ... On the same subject, there are in humankind three sexes, masculine, feminine and hermaphrodite. ...
www.levity.com/alchemy/arsenal


COMITY (COMITAS) LAW DOCTRINE IS A RULE OF COURTESY, BUT NOT A RULE OF LAW,
RELIGIOUS/FOREIGN LAWS FAILS THE TEST OF EQUALITY/ BILL-CIVIL RIGHTS OF US CITIZENS, " In the exercise of one's religion one, CANNOT INSIST ON CONDUCT WHICH THREATENS important interest on the society in an UNREASONABLE MANNER. The courts must, therefore, BALANCE the Importance of a religious exercise claim against the State interest involved in a rule or practice which prevents or hinders the exercise 367US488,489. LEVITICAL/SHARIA DEATH LAWS ARE UNREASONABLY CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS , OF WHICH THE FOUNDING FATHERS LEFT EUROPE BECAUSE OF RELIGION.


AS IN A DIVORCE DECREE OF A FOREIGN COUNTRY, BUT, THE COURTESY CANNOT REVOKE ANY OF THE US CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION OF BILL OF RIGHTS NOR EQUAL PROTECTION OF SECULAR LAWS, NOR THE PASSING OF FOREIGN LAWS ONTO US CITIZENS, NOR THE STATUES OF CIVIL RIGHTS, PATRIOT /NATIONAL SECURITY ACT

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

GENETICS: GENDER IS A SPECTRUM OF RANGES NOT A CHOICE NOR A CONSENT, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER SPECTRIAL RANGES IN GENETICS, ie HAIR/EYE SHAPE-COLOR/SKIN TYPE-TONE/ HEIGHT /WEIGHT/ VOICE SIGHT/ HEARING/ TOUCH/ SMELL/ EYES/ NOSE /EARS/BODY/ ALLERGIES/ NOSE etc

Phenotype


IN THE FIRST TRIMESTER ALL EMBRYOS (X/Y) that come out of ALL MALES TESTIS SPERMATICS ARE GENETIC FEMALES, yes sir even you started out female before the sex change to male (an X/Y maker and carrier) while in the womb, THATS WHY MEN HAVE TEETS, & FEMALE DO HAVE PROSTATES LIKE MALES WHEN YOUNGER MALES START THIER "FLOW" IT CONTAINS A LARGE % OF XXY/XXXY SPERM

GOOGLE: "FEMALE PROSTATE G-SPOT" found in THE NEW SCIENTIST MAGAZINE ARTICLE BY DR.SHARON MOALEM AT MT. SINAI SCHOOL OF MEDICINE NYC,NY, 30 MAY 2009 Pg33 paragraph #7, and also GOOGLE:(Adam Hermaphrodite/ Adam Androgyny) ie Fe-MALE, Wo-MAN, S-HE, HE-R, ie she is the Image of "YHVH" ALSO, A MATHMATICAL INVERSE TO THAT OF MALES ( INTERSEXED BEING X/Y)

Google:Estrogen Feminizing Men/Males and "Estrogen in Foods/Water/ AIR/ PLASTICS /Environment"
GOOGLE: Study: Mercury pollution causes birds to act gay,

KNOWING WHAT ESTROGEN DOES TO MALES, WHY "GOD" PUTS IT IN 90% of the known vegan/meat/ air/ water sources?? " THE ALL KNOWING OMNISCIENCE/ OMNIPRESENT/ OMNIPOTENT GOD KNOWS THIS?"

THERE ARE SIX KNOWN GENETIC SEX COMBINATION: EACH HAS ITS OWN SPECTRAL RANGES
GOOGLE/WIKIPEDIA YOUTUBE THE TERMS: "INTERSEX" AND " XXY MALES" ITS MEDICAL SCIENCE

Female=XX (normal) , XXx (super female) , XXy (tom boyish andro)

Male=XY (normal) , XYy (super male) , XYx (Andro)

BIBLICAL: ADAM WAS CREATED AN HERMAPHRODITE ,(ADAM HAD THREE WIVES IN HIS LIFE)

FYI IT WAS ADAM AND STEVE FIRST THEN YHVH SEX INVERSE STEVE INTO EVE ie THE TISSUE , CLONING WILL ALWAYS PRODUCE A SAME SEX TWIN, TRUTH ON EVE IS THE S-HE IS BOTH ADAM'S CLONED TWIN AND CHILD, FOR ADAM EXISTED FIRST, S-HE IS CALLED WO-MAN ie WOMB OF MAN, S-HE'S ADAMS FIRST BEGOTTEN SO ADAM IS BOTH MOTHER AND FATHER AS WELL AS HUSBAND TO st-EVE.

EVE CAME OUT OF HIM, CLONING TECHNOLOGY=SAME SEX TWIN SO ie "GOD" DID THE FIRST MATHEMATICAL SEX CHANGE, FEMALES HAVE EVERYTHING MALES HAVE BUT THEIRS INVERSE MATH,

AND THE "SEED OF THE WOMAN" IS SAME SEX CLONING THE MATHMATICAL CONVERTION TO MALE


RELIGIOUS DEATH LAWS DOSE NOT PASS THE 14AMEND. EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAWS, LAW DOCTRINES OF [RATIONAL BASIS TEST 431US471,489 427US307,314, STRICT SCRUTINY 403US365, 405US330, 411US1,16-17 , COMPELLING INTEREST 394US618,634 AND SUSPECT CLASSIFICATION 411US1,28, INTERSEX/ XXY MALES IS GENETICS THEREFORE A RACE 379US184,191 AS ALCHEMY TEXT SAY THERE ARE THREE SEXES MALE-FEMALE-& HERMAPHRODITE CALLED THE REBIS SPICES WHICH IS BOTH THE OLDEST FROM WHICH "ADAM" WAS CREATED AS, AND WHAT MAN WILL BECOME AGAIN, SEE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT ON GENETICS PROTECTIONS, AGAIN FORIEGN/ RELIGIOUS LAWS ARE NO EXCUSE TO BE INHUMAN NOR A TERRORIST AND JIM CROW LIKE PERIOD

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse


MORE ON THE SUBJECT OF STOLEN HONOR

digiphase says, “goldeneagles writes, "what is "honorable" about breaking the law?" You're kidding right? Why don't you ask Gandhi or Martin Luther King?

This reply again exhibits the characteristic trait of the homosexual lobby to Steal the Honor of other famous people.

Homosexuals have no honor, only debauchery, and the deepest agony of guilt and shame, and for the very survival of their own self-worth, they must steal the self-worth of others to wrap around themselves, even as a stolen garment.


Again, this is the root reason for the homosexuals trying to kick down the door into the U.S. Military establishment. Here is certainly a treasure of honor. A giant wardrobe of kingly vestments. In this regard, homosexuals are like a bunch of naked paupers trying to smash through the plate glass windows of an upscale clothing store.

Gandhi and Martin Luther King were going after the goal of Justice. Thus, when they broke the law, in their campaigns of civil disobedience, they were breaking unjust laws, that were used to suppress the genuine rights of real people.

They were truly about the process of throwing off chains, while homosexuals are about the process of relishing their own chains, and throwing those chains around other people.

It is therefore, a tremendous fraud to try to drape the kingly vestments of Gandhi and Martin Luther King over the debauchery of homosexuals. Indeed, just bring to mind any homosexual pride parade that you have seen, and juxtapose that with the noble pursuits of these two historic giants. To infer any moral equivalency, is to utter a stream of sewage in the form of words.

This GREAT HOMOSEXUAL QUEST to secure as one of the noble rights of mankind, this passion to place the primary sexual organ into the excrement opening of another male, and to ejaculate the God-Given seed of life into the embrace of excrement, and to have this practice displayed before the people upon the pedestal of golden virtue, and to make the whole nation bow down before it in respect, will not go down in history as one of the great and noble pursuits of an illuminated society. I can assure you of that.

God our Father has made it clear for all generations, that this is an abomination in his sight, and he will not recognize any “right” to commit such abominations. He has promised us that nations who take the path of championing abominations, will begin the process by which a large sink hole begins to form underneath the pavement. And lo, one day, the whole collapses into that sink hole in a jumble of rubble and twisted metal.

Thus ends all human pursuits in the direction of self-destruction.

Stop this insanity towards self-destruction now.

Posted by: GoldenEagles | December 17, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Romens Chapter 2:1-4 is a continuation of the "letter" which also says to the "xtians" KJV "Google: King James Bible Gay"

"Thou art inexcusable O MAN WHOSOEVER THOU ART THAT JUDGEST : for wherein thoujudgest another, thou condemnest thy self : FOR THOU THAT JUDGEST DOEST THE SAME THINGS

ROMANS CHP ONE AND TWO AS CHAPTERS DONT EXISTS, THEY ARE ONE LETTER CHP 2:1-4 GOES ONTO SAY THAT XTIAN CANT JUDGE THEM BECAUSE THE XTIANS DO&GUILTY OF THE SAME THINGS, so romans chp1&2 IS NOT ABOUT SAME SEX, IT'S ABOUT THE FINGURE POINTERS BEING GULTY OF THE SAME THINGS, SO STOP CHERRY PICKING, XTIAN ARE VERY UNJUST AND BIASED PERIOD

What did Jesus say about SAME SEX?
Not a word from Jesus has been recorded in the New Testament. Nothing!

Since when did "JESUS" avocate death penalties???, YOUR THE SO-CALLED SATANIST NOW!!! PETER PUT AWAY THAT SWORD, YOU WILL DIE BY THE SWORD!!

But what did Jesus say about two men lying together in one bed?

From the Gospel of LUKE 17:verses 30, 34, Jesus said,

"In the day the Son of man is revealed, in that night there shall be two men in one bed, the one shall be taken, and the other left.",

So ok 2 GROWN MEN in 1 Bed {TOGETHER}? (what does this sound like?...AT THE RAPTURE SAME SEX "JESUS" says he takes one and leave the other in the same bed on that night ON THE RAPTURE, HMMMMM, ok?)

SEE LUKE 17:30-34, TWO GROWN MEN "LYING" IN BED TOGETHER AT NIGHT, HE TAKES ONE AND LEAVES THE OTHER...IT DID NOT BOTHER "JESUS"

Men are told to KISS Each other!!! ( BIBLE NEW TESTAMENT ) ROM16:16, 1Cor 16:20, 2Cor13:12, 1Thes5:26 1Pet5:14


THE US CONSTITUTION 1ST AND 11TH US CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS

NO FOREIGN LAWS OVER US CITIZENS PERIOD,( RES IPSA LOQUITUR, RES JUDICATA) IT BARS THE INCORPORATION OF ANY FOREIGN LAWS INCLUDING RELIGIOUS LAWS (SHARIA-LEVITICAL- VATICAN etc) FREE EXERCISE CLAUSE they must be of HUMANE CIVILITY (SECULAR in purpose and effect see Law Doctrines ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE/ IN TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, BY ANY OF THE 4 SEPARATE POWERS (EXECUTIVE/ CONGRESSIONAL/ JUDICIAL AND BY VOTE OF THE US CITIZENS ) FOREIGN INHUMANE DEATH LAWS, IT'S PROHIBITED AND US CONSTITUTIONALLY INAPPROPRIATE

STATES CAN NOT CONSIDER FOREIGN LAWS (ART.1sec.9Cl 3& sec10 Cl 1&3) ( RES JUDICATA )

AS THE US CONSTITUTION PROHIBITS INAPPROPRIATE LAWS WHICH ARE NON-SECULAR HUMANE CIVILITY IN THEIR PURPOSE AND EFFECTS ON US CITIZENS, SHARIA-LEVITICUS ARE NOT SECULAR
SEE BILL OF ATTAINDER, EX POST FACTO, ART.1sec.9Cl 3& sec10 Cl 1&3 " NO STATE SHALL...ENTER INTO ANY TREATY, ALLIANCE OR CONFEDERATION.....NO STATE SHALL...ENTER INTO ANY AGREEMENT OR COMPACT WITH ANOTHER STATE, OR WITH A FOREIGN POWER,....., 381US437,448, AS A RELIGIOUS LAW WOULD BE A SUBTLE JUDICIAL TREATY OF WHICH BOTH NO STATE NOR JUDGE CAN DO , BOTH FOREIGN /RELIGIOUS INEQUALITY/ DEATH LAWS-CUSTOMS ARE CRUEL,UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Being in the military with two deployments and having worked with at least one person who I was told later was gay, I can say it is time for this to go. The person I worked with was an outstanding professional, above and beyond competent and always put the mission first and people always. That is certainly more than I can say for some straight folks I've worked with. I will take the gay person with those three qualities over the straight person who doesn't any day.

@MatthewWeaver: Your thesis on the link between homosexuality and traitorous acts is not tenable. There have been several traitors in US history and no others, to the best of by knowledge, were gay. Being gay is not any kind of parsimonious explanation for traitorous behavior. Traitors either have a actual ideological shift, they are being blackmailed, or they want to blackmail someone else (perhaps the government, perhaps a specific person), or simply take revenge for some perceived wrong. In the latter three categories, a common characteristic is the perception of some supposedly intractable problem and that a traitorous act is deemed the best way to solve it. This is why having large debt is the fastest way to lose, or never get, a clearance. Repealing DADT would remove that situation that would actually lessen the likelihood of blackmail or lashing out based on having to hide one's sexuality.

Posted by: Sara121 | December 17, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Sodom is a lesson regarding inhospitality, abuse, offense against strangers, and insult to the traveler - not homosexuality

( FYI ABRAHAM FOUGHT ALONG SIDE THE KINGS OF SODOM/GOMORAH GENESIS CHAP.14, WHY )

Ezekiel (16:48-49) states: THE ADONI YHVH SWEARS ON HIS OWN LIFE, NOTE NO SEX IS MENTIONED BECAUSE IF IT WAS THEN HE WOULD HAVE SAID IT UP FRONT ,"This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy."

Wisdom (19:13) states that the sin of Sodom was: "bitter hatred of strangers" and "making slaves of guests who were benefactors." Jesus said in Matthew (10:5-15) that the twelve angels sent to Sodom were sent with the following instructions: " Whatever town or village you enter, find out who in it is worthy, and stay there until you leave If any one will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah "

Further confirmation of this is found in Isaiah 1:10-17 and 3:9; Jeremiah 23:14; and Zephaniah 2:8-11. It is ironic that those who oppress gay people today are the true violators of the lesson of Sodom.

The bible specifically admonishes homosexuality a total of 6 times, and people today use those verses, mostly from Leviticus, out of context in order to suit their own political agendas.

The Bible admonishes heterosexual couples a total of 362 times...(ADULTRY/FORNICATION, BUT NOT PEDOPHILIA) 362/6=60.33 AND SO ON THEREFORE HETERO IS MORE HATED BY HIM LEV.15:30-36
That means your mythical sky god hates you about 60 times more than he hates homosexuals.

Etymology Look up secular in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

Secular and secularity derive from the Latin word saecularis meaning of a generation, belonging to an age. The Christian doctrine that God exists outside time led medieval Western culture to use secular to indicate separation from specifically religious affairs and involvement in temporal ones. This meaning has been extended to mean separation from any religion, regardless of whether it has a similar doctrine.

This does not necessarily imply hostility to God or religion, though some use the term this way (see "secularism", below); Martin Luther used to speak of secular work as a vocation from God for most Christians.

(US CONST.AMEND.14sec1) "RELIGIOUS LAWS [SHARIA/ LEVITICAL etc] GIVES NO EQUAL PROTECTIONS OF THE LAWS, NO FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION, by privilege and law I AM immune from Religious Sharia/ Leviticus Laws the US/a State can not abridge this right, for such Legislation would be INAPPROPRIATE AS CHILL CHILLING EFFECTS LAW DOCTRINE 380US479:472US491,503, (20th AMEND.sec4) "ONLY CONGRESS CAN AUTHORIZE DEATH PENALTIES, NOT RELIGIOUS LAWS AND NOT FOREIGN LAWS ON US CITIZENS", I DO NOT CONSENT TO RELIGIOUS LAWS (LEVITICAL/ SHARIA) AND WAIVE THE BENEFITS (.)


ART.6 CL.2, AND IN CL.3, ( STAR E'

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

MOST SAME SEXERS DETEST ANAL BUT PREFER GIVING ORAL SEX WITH SOME PEROXIDE MOUTH WASH ITS MORE SANITARY

The Blow By Job "ORAL JOB" and "NATURAL SEX INSIDE MARRIAGE" (man & woman) IS AN ABOMINATION ALSO....ITS UNCLEAN AND SIN IN "GOD" OWN WORDS According to LEVITICUS 15:16-30,and DEUTERONOMY 23:20-22, there is only ONE acceptable use of "reproductive fluids", and that is reproduction. Any christian that has received a "trouser friendly kiss", and "spilled his seed" has committed a sin against the lord. AND THE NATURL SEXUAL ACT IN MARRIAGE IS UNCLEANS AND SINFUL [And if marriage is so "special", then why "GOD" calls it "UNCLEAN=TAME" or just outlaw divorce.]

The Hebrew word "TOEVAH" was used in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. "TOEVAH" has been translated in our Bibles as "Abomination" or "Detestable". The "TOEVAH" was used throughout the Old Testament for activity involving ethnic contamination and religious idolatry. "TOEVAH" refers to things that were ritually unclean - like eating pork.and "TAME"(Taw-May=Infected/ Filthy)

It is significant that another Hebrew word, "ZIMAH" also translated "ABOMINATION," which means intrinsic evil or evil by its very nature, was not used in Leviticus 18:22, or Leviticus 20:13. BUT "TAME" IS USED BY LEVITICUS 15:16-30 "MARRIAGE SEX ACTS"

From the Gnostic Gospels

But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan.[2

INSULTING REALESTATE LAWS

Lev 25:23-28 - "The land shall not be sold in perpetuity, for the land is mine; with me you are but aliens and tenants. 24Throughout the land that you hold, you shall provide for the redemption of the land. 25If anyone of your kin falls into difficulty and sells a piece of property, then the next of kin shall come and redeem what the relative has sold.

26If the person has no one to redeem it, but then prospers and finds sufficient means to do so, 27the years since its sale shall be computed and the difference shall be refunded to the person to whom it was sold, and the property shall be returned. 28But if there is not sufficient means to recover it, what was sold shall remain with the purchaser until the year of jubilee; in the jubilee it shall be released, and the property shall be returned."

The teaching was instructing against oppressiveness.

The Bible opposes throughout itself the abuse of heterosexuality. Likewise, condemnation of arsenokoitai (mistranslated: "sodomy") does not forbid gay sex. In the 1st Century, throughout the Greek-speaking, Jewish Christianity culture, the word "arsenokoitai" (mistranslated: "sodomy") referred to explo

Posted by: shaiarra | December 17, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"this passion to place the primary sexual organ into the excrement opening of another male, and to ejaculate the God-Given seed of life into the embrace of excrement..."

You've typed that same paragraph nearly a dozen times today, GoldenEagles. You need to stop fantasizing about gay sex all the time, and go to a bar and actually meet someone.

Posted by: FrankIBC | December 17, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

As I said last night, the most common reason people don't feel comfortable around gays is because they are obvously not quite certain of their OWN sexuality! The other reason, like John McCain's, is purely political. McCain frequently changes his previous vote on anything controversial. He's no maverick; he's very wishy-washy! It was no coincidence that he chose Sarah Palin as his running mate in 2008; they are very alike, in that they BOTH do primarily what they believe is good for their popularity, which makes their opinions quite meaningless and false.

I called BOTH of my Senators today and asked them to vote to repeal DADT! It is a foolish attempt to change what has been happenng since the beginning of wars, and has only interfered in OUR armed forces for the past 16-17 years. Every other war had gays serving, and nobody even cared, as their blood they shed was red too!

Posted by: Maerzie | December 18, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

WHY ARE SOME IN OUR MILITARY ASPIRING TO BE LIKE . . . . THE MIGHTY BELGIANS?
I watch the news and occassionally I hear the argument that in the French or Belgian Armies it’s ok to be openly homosexual and wear the uniform, so why shouldn’t the United States military follow suit . . . . seriously?

Have we lost our minds!?!?

The reason the United States Military is the most effective fighting force on the face of this planet is because we have physical, mental and moral standards that are the most stringent in the world.

Well as some of us strive to be like the Belgians, it’s good to see there are still some real leadership in Congress and the military who aren’t compromising our Nation’s Defense for the sake of political expediency.

Thank you John McCain, General Amos, and others who haven’t forgot the fundamental purpose of our combat forces is to win in combat.

Looked at an Army Times today and read the article bragging about how a “plurality” of military service-members believe getting rid of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” will be no big deal.

I read further only to discover that to the following question:

“If ‘Don’t ask, Don’t Tell’ is repealed and you are working with a service member in your immediate unit who has said he or she is gay or lesbian, how, if at all, would it affect your immediate unit’s effectiveness at completing its mission in a field environment or out at sea?”

The Following Responded NEGATIVELY:
67% of Marine Corps Combat Arms
58% of Army Combat Arms
and even
50% of Coast Guard Aviation

So if we're actually looking at the opinions of those in the military. . . . I guess the opinions of those in our Combat Arms who are actually directly waging combat don’t really matter . . . . ?

I thought the fundamental purpose of our Armed Forces was to to win in armed combat . . . .

Where on earth are the leftist politicians and non-combat military leaders taking our National Defense ! ? ! ?

All I can say is what a testament to the weakness of some of the senior civilian and military leadership, specifically Secretary Gates (no wonder he’s retiring – I would too), Admiral Mullens and Admiral Roughead.

Didn't realize John McCain's daughter was an expert on what's best for our combat forces...learn something new every day.

Posted by: Phil41 | December 18, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

I think that health care reform is a great idea. I have type 1 diabetes and for me to get insurance, it was a nightmare until I found "Wise Health Insurance" search for them online and you can get affordable health insurance instantly.

Posted by: juanreeyes | December 18, 2010 2:34 AM | Report abuse

THE 10-YEAR WORK PERMITS (What you are not being told by corrupt politicians and MSM)

1. Application: The DREAM amnesty begins with illegal aliens filling out applications. They merely have to claim — not provide evidence — that they meet criteria of having been brought to the U.S. before age 16 and being under the age of 30 at time of enactment and being present in the U.S. at least 5 years before enactment of the amnesty, among other criteria.

2. Work Permits Given: Upon filing the application, the illegal aliens are given a 10-year work permit to compete directly with the 22 million Americans who want a full-time job but can’t find one.

Regardless of how many people eventually get a permanent amnesty, DREAM would result in 2 MILLION to 4 MILLION illegal aliens getting 10-year work permits immediately to compete against 22 million unemployed Americans.

Those millions would immediately be able to legally compete for any U.S. job…

Posted by: fury60 | December 18, 2010 4:56 AM | Report abuse

Dear President Obama:

The evil writings in Leviticus 20:13; which exists in the old testament & torah … were written long after Moses -- 600BC -- regarding “priestly rules” … expanded by the pope; homophobes and religious frauds … to attack the gay community and never meant to apply to the public -- but to priests.

How would you like it … if hate speech was directed to your brother or sister as you sat in the pew; spewed by some better than thou religious lunatic with a hateful black book about Leviticus -- under his arm?

The pope and churches fully aware that Leviticus 20:13 applies only to priests refuse to remove this stigma maliciously persecuting gays. Kids bullied into suicide …! Being black or left-handed or being gay is just as natural.
If the black community or women had it written that they should be put to death; how would they like that?
Churches are committing hate crimes and more succinctly a violent criminal offence against a federally protected minority namely the gay community. It is actually a bigger moment in history … gays standing up for equality … soldiers being discharged are indeed exposing something far greater ... the realization that there is something far more evil at work -- hateful religion which should be discharged from society -- period. United States is supposedly fighting for democracy but within the U.S. they treat gays like secondary citizens.
It’s now time to shut down the churches with bibles with leviticus 20:13. Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … bibles have been getting away with this for ages. Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council's opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of "hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down. UK Prime Minister Cameron is facing this issue; as we speak … regarding hateful muslim & islam extremes & homophobia -- being taught to children at the mosques and schools.
This holier than thou – written so there it shall be -- fallacy; must be stopped!
It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items … the bible and torah have been getting away with this for ages.
This bogus religious filth should be banned. It exists as a tax exempt structure which discriminates against human rights. The pope, bishops and mormons are cult members promoting discrimination against minorities. Perhaps religious establishments have pushed too far from San Francisco to Washington -- and it may backfire to such a degree that the churches should be shut down!

It is written; so therefore it shall be? We are the chosen people? Such a wicked fantasy. To see the religious lunatics manipulate government and our lives is shameful. According to biblical law, a father can sell his daughter as a slave.

Posted by: MacDonald1 | December 18, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

It is a sometimes rare occurrence to fall in Love and to hold that person in your heart and be loved in return ... it is something that should be celebrated! If it is between two guys or girls all the better. It takes even more courage to defend that LOVE!
I am the son of a catholic father who never went to church and a protestant mother who took us to church and Sunday school. Onward christian soldiers; I think not. Such absolute drivel. To be manipulated by a santa claus; an easter bunny and worst of all a bogus cross?
One should appreciate each day of life and not expect another.
By enjoying their tax exempt status and benefits from the state it also puts churches at the mercy of the state; to be forced to adhere to the human rights laws. Religion is thriving like a cancerous growth on society that should be stopped in its tracks; outlawed & banned.
There is no scientific evidence to prove any of the cross related bogus elements of christianity. Our early human ancestors; on this earth … go back more than 6 million years … 5,996,000 years before the Greeks, Romans and the Jews. Christianity is basically a 2010 year old fictional cult.
In the year 300 AD when Emperor Constantine, who to some was the first pope; went on to fabricate & market Christianity - a fantasy - which turned out to be one of the most hateful & evil concoctions ever perpetrated on the world.
Minority rights must be decided by a dignified judicial system and/or a compassionate government.
Tell them to take that cross and shove it where the sun don't shine and pay their taxes along the way before they take that cross down forever with its final station; extinction.
The Vatican basically supported Hitler and religion is responsible for more corruption and violence in the world. Pope Ratzinger was involved in the Nazi youth. The Pope with his blatant witchcraft related to the bible and its hateful beliefs; tries to rule with extreme prejudice against a world … that may fall victim to religions' absolute evil. Many theologians state quite correctly that the birth; crucifixion; resurrection and other elements of christianity actually didn’t even happen! The pope is running a bigger fraud than Madoff’s $50 billion ripoff. Today’s evangelical extremists are like the nazis who cast others into ovens & are actually supremacists - who practice their bogus hocus pocus - and are trying to suppress and deprive others of their happiness and their legal rights in an open and proud society.
Einstein stated in a letter recently auctioned that the bible was a collection of primitive legends. He said believing in God was childish and he as a Jew is no different than another person and are not chosen by God. Do you want to be lambs at the slaughter or be wise and reject religious cultist manipulation? Mean & nasty; run by evil and bogus religious cults from Rome or wherever. Is this the world you want?

Posted by: MacDonald1 | December 18, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

A special compliment to the discharged soldiers ... you are the finest soldiers indeed ... in a battle and a war much greater than you will ever know! A gay pilot may have saved the lives of nine U.S. soldiers recently killed.
Respect should be shown to the brave gay soldiers who are defending the United States with dignity and honor!

Posted by: MacDonald1 | December 18, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Good job Droopy Dog, now go back to Connecticut and retire while you are still on top.

Posted by: ozpunk | December 18, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Most of the pro- DADT posters have never been in the military and have no idea that gay people are ALREADY in it. Most gay military people do their jobs well and do not let their personal life be known or even become an issue. Even if DADT is repealed, this will not change! I served in the military for 20 years and am offended by those who think that our military should be spending our taxpayer dollars on "homo-hunts." Get real, people!

Posted by: michael60761 | December 18, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The gov’t is wasting our money and time. If there are gays be it is. Let the military authorities handle it efficiently. Let us not waste time and money with politics. We spend useless time thats why we are losers.

Posted by: HappyJoe | December 18, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Many people get emotional on this issue DADT. Why?
America is in financial crisis today. Stop this funny issue. Concentrate how to solve the jobs and factories in USA stop erosion of losers mentality eh!Funny.

Posted by: HappyJoe | December 18, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Many people get emotional on this issue DADT. Why?
America is in financial crisis today. Stop this funny issue. Concentrate how to solve the jobs and factories in USA stop erosion of losers mentality eh!Funny.

Posted by: HappyJoe | December 18, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Progressive Liberals and R.I.N.O.s Creating a Diabolical Society

http://www.massresistance.org
http://www.drjudithreisman.org
http://www.silentscream.org
Also google Boston Children's Hospital Sex Change Clinic
Also Dr. Money The boy with no P.E.N.I.S
Also The transgendered Janitor in Oxford, Massachusetts Elementry School
Also Dawn Stefanowicz Out from Under
Also Planned Parenthood as this Organiztion goes into the public schools and gives young girls low dose birth control pills so they will become pregnant
then they take them for an abortion, many times without the parents permission

Posted by: boski66 | December 18, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

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