Drive vs. Drive
Transportation editor Steven Ginsberg and I got many responses to our test drive on Sunday's commuter page in The Post. We compared drives on parallel commuter routes from Columbia to Silver Spring. Steven took I-95 and I took the parallel course on Route 29.
New interchange at Briggs Chaney helps ease congestion. (Robert Thomson)Here's one letter.
Dear Dr. Gridlock:
I was fascinated by the article "Which Way" in the Sunday, Nov. 4, Washington Post, Page C2.
What would have been useful to know was how long each route was. Another thought is to add odometer readings along with the time and comments for the two different routes.
Note, I live in Charlottesville, Va., and work from home.
Distance commute: 30 feet (from bed to office);
Duration of Commute: 1 minute, unless there is a two-kid pile-up on the stairs.
Tim Roesch
Charlottesville
I can't give you a link to the commuter page, because it's a part of The Post that isn't reproduced online, at least not yet.
Steven drove 19.8 miles from Columbia to Silver Spring vs. my 18 miles. He reached the Beltway three minutes before I did, but then drove along the outer loop to the Georgia Avenue exit before heading south into Silver Spring. I just kept going south on Route 29.
But to the south are more traffic lights. (Robert Thomson)I got to our breakfast rendezvous first, so most folks figure he let me win.
There was no prize. Steven was always going to buy breakfast. Our real goal was to be able to illustrate aspects of different commuter routes, and we didn't want to duplicate each other on Route 29 south of the Beltway.
One thing I did do was pick the more interesting route for myself. Maryland has converted many of the intersections north of New Hampshire Avenue into interchanges and the shoulders have been opened to commuter buses in some areas. Still, there are traffic lights, especially south of New Hampshire, where Route 29 shrinks temporarily from three lanes to two. (The photos here are from another day.)
I figured Steven would run into trouble on his approach to the Beltway and on the outer loop, which he did. I figured I'd run into trouble around New Hampshire, which I did. But an unusual thing happened: Just north of the Beltway, an ambulance swung from northbound Route 29 onto the southbound side, where an accident had occurred in the left lane. The ambulance stopped, blocking the middle lane, so there was just the right lane available to squeeze by the incident.
Traffic often backs up north of Beltway. (Robert Thomson)But I was at the front of the pack, so when I passed by the Beltway ramp, I was virtually alone -- an extremely rare event during a morning commute. Normally, the right side of 29 is backed up extensively as cars maneuver toward the outer loop ramp.
Readers seemed to like the idea of what we did: Picking two routes to get to the same place. We'll try it again on some other course. We've also been talking about varying the pattern, testing driving vs. transit, or maybe driving vs. transit vs. biking, as one reader suggested.
Got any test patterns you'd like to propose to us?
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Robert Thomson
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November 6, 2007; 8:42 AM ET
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Posted by: two routes | November 6, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse
I was thinking that my neighborhood (Kingstowne) to downtown could be interesting because there are several different routes and it could confirm which is actually faster if done on a Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday (the three heaviest traffic days):
*Van Dorn north to Seminary, then I-395 over the 14th Street Bridge to downtown
*Van Dorn north to Seminary, then I-395 to VA-27 over Memorial Bridge, then across Independence Avenue
*Van Dorn north to Braddock, Braddock to Beauregard, Beauregard becomes Walter Reed and continues to Columbia Pike, then Columbia Pike to the Pentagon and on over either Memorial Bridge or the 14th Street Bridge
*Van Dorn south to Telegraph, Telegraph north to Duke Street, Duke Street east to US-1, US-1 north to either the 14th Street Bridge or Memorial Bridge
*Van Dorn south to Telegraph, Telegraph north to South Kings Highway, South Kings Highway north to US-1, US-1 north to either the 14th Street Bridge or Memorial Bridge
*Van Dorn north to Franconia, Franconia west to I-95, I-95 north onto I-395 to either 14th Street Bridge or Memorial Bridge
*Driving versus parking at the Franconia-Springfield, Van Dorn Street, or Huntington Metrorail stops and then riding to Metro Center
*Driving solo via any of the above routes compared to driving over to the "Bob's" slug line in Springfield and then using the I-395 express lanes
Posted by: Rich | November 6, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse
I'm a reverse commuter (live in DC, work in Loudoun County) and even though I drive 250 miles a week, I love my commute, since I'm almost never in a traffic jam. Still, I'd be interested to see a comparison of a reverse commute to a suburban location, versus a normal commute to the same location from an exurban starting point, like doing the same experiment from Sunday's Post except have the second car leave from DC instead of Columbia (or, in my case, my commute from DC to Sterling versus Leesburg or Middleburg to Sterling).
Posted by: Alex | November 6, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse
I-395 vs. U.S. 1, Woodbridge to the Pentagon (i.e., between the points where they intersect).
Posted by: Virginian | November 6, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse
How about from Bowie to Tysons Corner?
Taking the Northern half of the Beltway through Montgomery County (sitting in the usual mess trying to get past Georgia Ave) and across the American Legion Bridge
vs.
Taking the Southern half of the Beltway (sitting in the jam at the WWB bottleneck) across the Woodrow Wilson Bridge
vs.
Continuing on Route 50 through the city (the New York Ave/3rd Street Tunnel nightmare)
vs.
Driving to New Carrollton and riding the Orange Line and buses to Tysons Corner.
Posted by: Bowie Commuter | November 6, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse
How about Rockkville to downtown. One takes 495 south to GW Parkway to 395 to ? While the other goes 495 east to Connecticut or Georgia Ave (or 16th st) to the same place.
Posted by: dkf747 | November 7, 2007 6:37 AM | Report abuse
Oops on the 2 k's in Rockville. While I like my first suggestion better, I have one more similar to the 95 vs 29 one. Compare Rockville to Downtown with one using 270 to 495 south to GW Parkway to whichever bridge will take you to your predetermined destination. The other could go 270 to 495 south to Cabin John Parkway to Clara Barton to Canal Road to Whitehurst and so on.
Posted by: dkf747 | November 7, 2007 6:48 AM | Report abuse
How about biking vs. driving vs. Metro from NOVA to Northwest?
Or Bus vs. Metro vs. Bike vs. Car from Capitol Hill to Northwest?
My company has a bike commuter program and for both routes the cyclists have said they have shorter commutes but I have my doubts...
Posted by: Southeaterner | November 7, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse
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Posted by: lingiait | November 7, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse
I thought the column was great! I'd love to see you do the Ashburn area to Tyson's Corner via the Greenway vs Route 7. I mean, is the Greenway really saving anybody time these days or is it simply draining our wallets? I've done both routes and it seems like a toss up to me....and I'd rather have the money each day...to pay for a gallon of gas!
Posted by: Pam | November 7, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse
(1) Piggybacking on the previous poster's suggestion, how about comparing the drive from Ashburn to Tysons:
The first driver could use Ashburn Village Blvd to Route 7 all the way to Tysons. The second could use Waxpool Rd to 28 South to the Toll Rd east to Tysons.
(2) Or, speaking for my commute from north Reston/Dranesville to the Montgomery Mall area in Bethesda: (1) VA 193 all the way to I-495; (2) Route 7 to the Toll Rd junction at Tysons (entering at Toll Rd exit 16); (3) Reston Pkwy to the Toll Rd (entering at Toll Rd exit 12) to Tysons to 495 North. The short answer that I have found: it depends entirely on the day and, even more so, the exact time you leave the house in the AM and the office in the evening.
Posted by: xyv1027 | November 7, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse
How about 270 vs. 355 from Fredrick or Germantown to Bethesda?
Or the East West Routes between PG and Montgomery counties vs. 495 (410, 193, Cherry Hill/Randolph Rd./Montrose Rd.)?
Posted by: Laura | November 7, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse
Bowie commuter, Speaking for what a friend of my typically does on a similar commute (halfway around the beltway from Fort Washington to Montgomery Mall Bethesda), I'd suggest going through the city may be quickest especially if you leave early in the morning.
He uses a slight variation of your route though, coming from Fort Washington: I-295 North to the 11th street bridge to I-395 South to the GW Parkway north to I-495 North to the 270 spur to Democracy Blvd.
When going through the city to get to Tysons and as an alternative to I-66 which is horribly backed up westbound most mornings through Falls Church, try GW Parkway north to 123 South to Tysons.
Posted by: xyv1027 | November 7, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse
Heading West towards Tysons or even Dulles, I almost always take GW parkway to 123 (instead of 66) at almost all times of the day. 66 West is just too unpredictable and I gladly sacrifice the potential couple minutes saved for the consistency of GW parkway and 123.
Posted by: DC 21 | November 7, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse
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Posted by: Tysons | November 7, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse
From Manassas/Centreville into Tysons would be a good one. How do you avoid the crap that is Vienna? They seem to like to time their lights so that you have to stop there. Frankly, unless I'm asked to be someplace in Vienna, I don't go there. A lot of great restaurants I'd like to try, but the hassle of getting through there is worse than NYC during rush hour.
Posted by: Jarrod | November 8, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse
I could use your help. My schedule is being changed next month (I get no choice in the matter), and instead of commuting at the tail end of or after rush hour, I will have to be in by 9:30 most days and 9 a.m. on Thursdays. Metro doesn't work for a variety of reasons, and neither does a carpool. I've always taken the HOV lanes, since I've never had to be in earlier than 10, and I'm already having nightmares. My options are main line 395 to Washington Blvd/Key Bridge, or Guinea/236/Prosperity/50 to Key Bridge. The latter is 3 miles and usually about 15-20 minutes longer in off hours (40-45 minutes vs. maybe 25, barring accidents or whatever). But I have no idea how long either route is going to take that early in the morning, and I need to know which is going to work better and how much time to allow. Help!
Posted by: West Springfield/Burke to Wisconsin and M | November 15, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse
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Tysons Corner to Downtown (or better yet, reverse). There are a few options: 123 over chain bridge, Rte 7 to 29 into Georgetown, 66 if you can get 2 people...