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Posted at 12:22 PM ET, 01/20/2006

Dining in Denim

By Fritz Hahn

So we set off a mild firestorm on the chat yesterday when Erin suggested that a diner going to Ten Penh could wear "(nice) jeans." You'd think that we were encouraging them to break some unwritten social contract, like popping a collar before entering Cafe Saint-Ex or wearing animal-embroidered pants outside of Smith Point. "Don't encourage jeans!!!" wrote one outraged reader. "Show some class and put on some slacks for crying out loud!!!!"

We disagree. While slacks may be the dress code for the upper echelon of restaurants -- your Citronelles, your 1789s, your Inns at Little Washington -- it seems a little stodgy for the establishments that seek to attract a younger, trendier crowd. Let's make this much clear: We're not encouraging you to wear stonewashed, relaxed-fit Wranglers to IndeBleu or Rasika. But we do believe that a pair of True Religion, James or any dark, well-cut jeans are just as attractive as boring old slacks, and infinitely more stylish. Paired with a tasteful top and polished shoes, jeans look chic and do show class. In a city of women who wear white puffy sneakers to commute to work, a little denim with dinner or cocktails can be fresh and sexy.

In the end, it all boils down to personal preference and comfort. If you feel better in a dining room full of suits, maybe you belong at 1789, but there's no reason to make snide comments about other people's (perfectly acceptable) attire. What do you think? Do you turn your nose up at jeans in restaurants or do you welcome the opportunity to hit the town in your Energies?

-- Erin and Fritz

By Fritz Hahn  | January 20, 2006; 12:22 PM ET
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I think Sietsema mentioned that some people can't/don't go to nicer restaurants as much as others, so they treat it as a special occasion and dress up. When they see others who make the occasion blase by wearing jeans it makes the occasion seem less "special". I can see his point but I'm not going to stop wearing what I feel comfortable in just so people who don't go out as much can feel like they're celebrating something (snobby as it sounds).

Posted by: DJ | January 20, 2006 1:42 PM | Report abuse

As you guys put it decent-looking jeans, shoes, and tops, look just fine. Heck, they can look much better than most people's "slacks" and dress shirts in DC. If you're not going to a business meeting, why do you have to dress like it? There are other ways to "dress up" than putting on "slacks" and a dress shirt.

Posted by: MC | January 20, 2006 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I think you have to tell everyone NOT to wear jeans, regardless of what any place is actually like. The vast majority of people that ask, wouldn't know (and certainly wouldn't buy/own) stylish jeans if it hit them in the face. In fact, if you're ever asked what to wear, you should just respond "it's very stylish, people are there are very fashionable." I mean, it's not like khakis are any improvement over bad jeans--Wranglers might even be better. At least then people might think you're foriegn...or trying to be ironic.

Posted by: dclounger | January 20, 2006 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Good jeans, be it with a blazer and cami or a sparkly top depending on the season, with a nice pair of heels has become THE uniform for a night on the town. I personally think it's a big stsep up from the black pants that we all wore in college.

Posted by: logan | January 20, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

i don't know why this is difficult - the bottom line is that unless you are going to pizza hut or the olive garden, make some sort of effort when you go out for dinner. i have seen plenty of people who are technically dressed well (suit) but look like slobs because the last time it saw a dry cleaner or a steam iron was the reagan administration. similarly, i have seen some very cute, very stylist outfits comprised of dark jeans, sassy shoes and a dark jacket or fun top. as i said, make an effort - if it's unintentionally wrinkly, holey or has cartoons with slogans on it, leave it at home. A brush thru the hair and a bit of lipgloss won't kill you either.

'k - bye.

Posted by: capgirl | January 20, 2006 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I strongly agree with the person who said jeans aren't appropriate everywhere. That person was correct. It doesn't matter if your jeans cost $2 or $200, jeans aren't meant for every situation. A fine restaurant, a theater performance, church should all be places that you leave your jeans at home for those occasions. It won't kill anyone not to wear jeans for a night.

Posted by: TR | January 20, 2006 3:10 PM | Report abuse

i think the people who wear sneakers with suits are committing a MUCH bigger fashion crime than those who wear jeans to dinner. So, on my list of DC fashion crimes, it goes as follows (from "tragic" to "meh"):

*sneakers with suits.
*short sleeve, button down shirts with ties (very NASA).
*hill kids who "forget" to take of their house/senate/whitehouse id at bars.
*bowties on men younger than my father.
*jewelry, other than class ring, wedding ring or cuff links, on men.
*white or ivory hose with black shoes.
*scrunchies.
*braces worn with belt.

Posted by: also | January 20, 2006 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of people saying they should be able to wear their jeans wherever. Quite honestly, most of those people aren't wearing styled, tailored jeans. I am young and I still think that it isn't ok to wear jeans to a nice restaurant. I think it is a sign of I guess respect is the word that you dress up for the occassion.

Posted by: Dress Code | January 20, 2006 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It isn't stodgy to expect people not to wear jeans at an upscale restaurant. It is part of the image of being upscale. Jeans are meant to be worn to hang out or for somewhere more casual, even if your jeans were more expensive than my slacks Fritz. Just being expensive doesn't make it the right thing to wear.

Posted by: Not Stodgy | January 20, 2006 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I can forgive a person wearing puffy sneakers to walk from the metro to the office sooner than wearing jeans to the theater. A person walking to the office is doing just that- they change at the office into appropriate footwear. The person at the theater is simply tacky whether paired with a jacket or not.

Posted by: Sneakers | January 20, 2006 3:30 PM | Report abuse

i won't argue that one is better or worse than the other. i will say that, as someone who had to share an office with someone who stored a collection of shoes in the office, jeans don't infringe on the airspace in quite the same way as cast off sneakers do.

and for the record, no jeans to the theater. unless you are seeing grease.

Posted by: re sneakers | January 20, 2006 3:40 PM | Report abuse

yay erin and fritz. i wore a park of dark, rather expensive jeans to ten penh one night, and paired it with a nice top and nice shoes. frankly i didn't feel out of place at all, and i'm glad at least a few people out there agree.

Posted by: catherine | January 20, 2006 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Yes, there is a difference children. Washington is one of the most provincial towns on the globe -- bad manners and no class. Example: gentleman in bermudas, t-shirt and sandals sat next to me, took off his sandals and folded his legs yogawise -- at the Shakespeare Theatre in the orchestra seats. Where does it end?

Posted by: Fashion v. Style | January 20, 2006 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Dark, tailored jeans or slacks can look equally nice for most places but, please ladies, just make sure that your low-rise pants fit you! The most class-less fashion crime that I witness on a regular basis is women who wear too-tight low-rise pants so that their g-strings are visible (which is only appropriate if you're a hooker, stripper, or porn star) and their tummies hang over the waist band. Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying any of us has to be a perfect size 6. I'm just saying I'm tired of seeing way too much of a lot of people. Have some class and cover your a**!

Posted by: DCfoodie | January 20, 2006 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Wearing slacks for a restaurant like Ten Penh seems to be a bit overkill. Slacks are fitting for certain situations, perhaps Corduroy or Tosca...

Posted by: Wayne | January 21, 2006 1:04 PM | Report abuse

But if 'nice' jeans are dark and expensive (some would say it's not 'nice' to speculate on what others pay for their clothing) and 'tailored' and 'fashionable' -- are other jeans 'not nice?' If so I wonder why so many people wear not nice jeans....

Posted by: PrecisionLad | January 21, 2006 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Erin and Fritz are obviously from the Midwest.

Posted by: Fashion no no | January 22, 2006 1:26 AM | Report abuse

I have never understood this whole city thing where jeans are okay to wear everywhere. Granted, this is FAR worse in New York, but it's simple, folks: you're going out somewhere nice, you dress to match the occasion. I mean, I went to a Kennedy Center performance on a Saturday night and people were walking around in jeans. Maybe I'm too Southern for this scene, but I was appalled. It doesn't take any more effort whatsoever to wear the appropriate attire. There are plenty of social occasions where jeans are OK; don't blur the lines.

Posted by: bamagirlinVA | January 22, 2006 1:27 AM | Report abuse

fritz's jeans are more expensive than my entire wardrobe. i worship him.

Posted by: yayfritz | January 22, 2006 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Question:If you don't wear your nice things to nice places, where do you wear them?

Answer #1:Maybe you don't have anything really nice so the question is futile; or

Answer #2:You think expensive is a synonym for nice.

No sale here-Erin & Fritz!!

Posted by: Miss M | January 22, 2006 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Just when I start to like DC, I'm given another reason to flee ASAP. So many people in this city are totally unnoticing of what is going on around them. Yet their heads miraculously emerge from the sand on silly issues like whether it is okay to wear jeans to TenPhen. Come on, people. Your evenings are diminished when you see strangers wearing jeans?? Nevermind that the dark, often expensive jeans are much more stylish than your stained khakis or generic and boring business slacks. Nevermind that these arguments do not take place in more fashionable cities like New York, London, or Paris. This is something that I fear is a reflection of the DC conformist culture and severely hampers a city that is otherwise spectacular.

Posted by: Matt | January 22, 2006 6:17 PM | Report abuse

This isn't New York, London, or Paris. It's a city of class and professionalism. Want to wear torn, ratty jeans to the theater and not be ridiculed??? Leave DC!

Posted by: Good bye, Matt! | January 22, 2006 6:49 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the comment that Fritz and Erin must be from the Midwest?? To all the people who say that nice, stylish, jeans are inappropriate for Ten Penh, get a grip and get with the times. To the poster who questioned where you where your nice things if not to a nice place...you can just as easily have nice jeans as you can a nice dress or nice slacks -- it's all about what is appropriate for the venue. Ten Penh is a hip and trendy restaurant (or at least it used to be), my mom, the poster-child for Talbots, looks a lot more out of place than I do in stylish jeans, high heels, and a fancy top. However if we were at 1789 or the Caucus Room, I would look silly. And as far as equating nice to expensive, the finer the material, the more detailed the craftmanship, the more expensive the item will become. But that also means it will be nicer feeling, looking, and fitting. There's a reason why my $132 Ruehl jeans always get compliments and my $60 Gap jeans don't.

Posted by: Liz | January 22, 2006 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Funny. When I think of New York, London, or Paris, I think of far more fashionable people than the schlubs here in DC who think it's cool to wear their Carter era suits and frown on it when I wear jeans out.

Let's put it like this -- when I was in Paris, I wanted to go to a nice restaurant, and you all know how snobby the French are supposed to be. I had a pair of nice dark jeans on, and I said, okay, great, I'll go and change, because that restaurant sounds great.

She smiled and said you are dressed fine. I said, but I'm in jeans, and she smiled, and said, you'll be fine.

Guess what? I was.

Posted by: Tony | January 23, 2006 12:08 AM | Report abuse


I razzed Erin during the Gurus' chat because, quite frankly, I'm so over this $200 jeans trend. Designer denim was hot in the '80's (see Jordache, Calvin Klein) and I figure today's "hot" brands will also fade away soon enough. If you checked out fall winter 06 runway shows, you probably noticed denim was scarce.

Are baggy, pleated Dockers any better than denim? No. But I dont care how much your jeans cost, they still dont match the sophisticated look of a sleek little black dress or nicely tailored slacks.

I agree, though, that there is a huge difference between a dinner/theater outing and a night at the 930 Club. At the latter, of course, it would be silly to wear anything other than jeans.

Posted by: The Person Who Sparked This Conversation | January 23, 2006 10:09 AM | Report abuse

This reminds me a scene I witnessed on a cruise ship once. The formal dining rooms have stict dress codes...no shorts, jeans, etc. We were seated next to this girl wearing jeans. A waiter approached her and informed her that denim was not allowed in the dining room. She snobbily replied (no joke), "These are DESIGNER jeans. They cost more than most people's outfits in here." Even though I'm sure it was true, that turned me off to the Jeans in a "Nice" Place idea forever.

Posted by: kt | January 23, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I find it intertaining to see people who can see you walk into the office and comment on the new shoes, slacks, shirt, Etc that you are wearing, Is that all that life is about to them? Many people dont go to Church because of the comments about wardrobe that they cant afford to buy.I wear clothes to cover up old age body parts, not to be fashonable

Posted by: Howard H | January 23, 2006 12:08 PM | Report abuse

This has got to be the most inane topic.

Posted by: Robin | January 23, 2006 12:14 PM | Report abuse

DC is ready for denim.

Posted by: Nibor | January 23, 2006 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Wear your suit to work. If your going to dinner and then a club leave your slacks at home. If your going to the Kennedy Center wear something more formal nix the jeans. It doesn't matter how expensive the jeanc are if they're cut well you'll look good. If your taking your fashion advice from this page your probably screwed already, give up.

Posted by: othermatt | January 23, 2006 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Stop thinking with your wallets. Of course expensive doesn't mean nice - true for jeans and restaurants. Dark blue, clean, well-cut, subtle jeans (regardless of price) are fine for men and women in most social situations right now. Whether that was true in 2000, or will be in 2010, doesn't matter.

Posted by: Chaz | January 23, 2006 6:53 PM | Report abuse

The no jeans crowd is using an infuriating argument reminiscient of the no gay marriage crowd. Confused? Stay with me here.

Please tell me how someone wearing jeans in a restaurant--who otherwise isn't creating a scene and is quietly enjoying his/her meal--is somehow this giant affront to polite society. Likewise, please tell me how two men or two women--who are deeply in love and committed to each other--getting married is this giant affront to the institution of marriage.

Sure, as a comparison it's a stretch, but the arguments against jeans and gay marriage are equally lame.

Posted by: Another Matt | January 24, 2006 1:21 AM | Report abuse


No, you're lame, Another Matt.

Posted by: Huh? | January 24, 2006 6:56 AM | Report abuse

I do agree with being able to wear nice jeans to certain restaurants I do however think that there should be a line. What someone wears to a restaurant could affect your meal. I once went out on a date to what I thought was a nice restaurant in Georgetown so I dressed up in slacks and a button up only to be seated next to two gigantic tourists in t-shirts and ugly ass sneakers. Something like that can really bring down the whole atmosphere that you are supposedly paying for.

Posted by: Alec | January 24, 2006 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Okay, if your dinner will be ruined by people in t-shirts and ugly shoes (and can you really see the shoes under the table?) you should go somewhere that has a specific dress code, such as 1789 or The Palm where men are required to wear a jacket. Anywhere else is fair game.

If your True Religion jeans got mixed in with some bleach or your tore the knee and you're wearing them with a sweatshirt, they stop being "nice" jeans. If your Lee jeans are dark, well-fitting and you're wearing them with an attractive and well-fitting top, they count as "nice" jeans.

Trendy restaurants expect trendy dressing. Right now it's trendy to wear jeans when you dress up at night, therefore jeans would be more appropriate at Ten Penh than a little black dress.

To continue my rant outside of restaurants, if you're going to the theater, you definitely should wear something "nicer" than even your brand new, perfectly pressed True Religion jeans. Even a pair of black pants and a sweater would be a huge improvement. Khakis, on the other hand, would not. That would almost be a downgrade. Going to the theater should be treated as a semi-formal event, not just a business casual one.

Posted by: d | January 24, 2006 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I would argue that nice dark jeans are okay for the ladies, but as for us fellas-I can see the arguement about not wearing jeans to a "fancy" resturant.

And for the person who talked about the low-rise jeans on the girls? Here here. I've spotted way to many women who look like they have love handles, when really they should just go up a jean size. And they shouldn't wear a tight top with that either. You just look like a sausage honestly.

Posted by: Scotty | January 24, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what people wear, but if I see crack, I'm gonna stare. My personal pet peeve is jeans and heels. I think it looks tacky. Make up your mind-comfortable/casual jeans mixed with uncomfortable/formal footwear? It is a mixed message. But people are free to do whatever they want, short of nudity, and I won't look down my nose at them for it. But it is kind of a turn off. I know I'm likely asking for a thousand word essay on the great variety of heels out there and the wonder of shoes.

Posted by: twopants | January 24, 2006 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what people wear, but if I see crack, I'm gonna stare. My personal pet peeve is jeans and heels. I think it looks tacky. Make up your mind-comfortable/casual jeans mixed with uncomfortable/formal footwear? It is a mixed message. But people are free to do whatever they want, short of nudity, and I won't look down my nose at them for it. But it is kind of a turn off. I know I'm likely asking for a thousand word essay on the great variety of heels out there and the wonder of shoes.

Posted by: twopants | January 24, 2006 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Scotty, it's called a muffin top. And it's so unattractive. What is it about people not understanding that dressing well is a lot like that Louis Armstrong song?

You accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative.

And I tell you what, it doesn't have to be expensive to look good. Those jeans I wore out in Paris? $19.99, on sale at the Gap.

Posted by: tony | January 25, 2006 12:51 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that we need to have clear guidelines for people who don't have any sense of style. Sure, nice jeans look great and are often appropriate, but the people who actually buy and wear nice jeans probably aren't the ones committing fashion offenses, anyway. When people with no sense of style hear that it's OK to wear jeans to a certain venue, they breathe a sigh of relief and wear their not-so-nice jeans because they don't understand the difference, and that's where the lines get blurred. So we should be telling people to dress up for certain occassions, and let the fashionistas determine if they can get away with jeans, while still encouraging the slackers to put some effort into their appearance.

Posted by: Holly | January 26, 2006 12:18 PM | Report abuse

So how to get the message across that ratty khakis aren't "nice" just because they aren't jeans?

Posted by: gapjeans | January 26, 2006 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I was probably one of the people one poster mentioned -- a person wearing jeans to the Kennedy Center. I understand it was a special event, but I don't think that what I was wearing was any more/less appropriate than anyone else. Personally, I was more offended by the people around me who were talking than by what anyone else was wearing.

Posted by: Beth | January 26, 2006 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I am one of your very few posters who actually work in a restaurant/own a restaurant/or dine out frequently in restaurants, and the consensus in the community is that if the establishment allows jeans, then jeans are perfectly aceptable. True Religion jeans cost more than a two person tasting menu at most restaurants in the city. We, D.C., with a long standing lack of fasion sense, really need to lighten up. It is, after all, about the food. Certainly not about your experience being ruined by "underdressed" guests dining at the tables around you. My two cents.

Q

Posted by: HardyQ27 | January 27, 2006 2:31 AM | Report abuse

I am one of your very few posters who actually work in a restaurant/own a restaurant/or dine out frequently in restaurants, and the consensus in the community is that if the establishment allows jeans, then jeans are perfectly aceptable. True Religion jeans cost more than a two person tasting menu at most restaurants in the city. We, D.C., with a long standing lack of fasion sense, really need to lighten up. It is, after all, about the food. Certainly not about your experience being ruined by "underdressed" guests dining at the tables around you. My two cents.

Q

Posted by: HardyQ27 | January 27, 2006 2:32 AM | Report abuse

The jeans dilemma seems to divides along an unmistakable age line. Perhaps secondarily on fashion savvy. Young people, especially, could use a lesson in age appropriate dressing ... there is nothing worse than an overweight 20-something squeezing herself into teenage trends. I could never imagine my mother "dressing up" in jeans; just as she can't understand how young women wear such uncomfortably high heels.

But Erin and Fritz, style has little to do with money ... as a budget-conscious woman, I own no $100+ denim. It seems a silly expense for a trend sure to end with the season. There's a category of women just like me who take pride in looking fabulous without spending a fortune.

Posted by: A | January 27, 2006 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Denim is the new black.

Posted by: Blackwell | January 27, 2006 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The most revealing comment so far: "At least then people might think you're foriegn [sic]...or trying to be ironic." That hits exactly what is behind this hubbub -- "at least then people might think..." How ridiculous. Stay in your overpriced ego-boosting lounges, dclounger, where your single goal is simply to see and be seen. Quoting the latest name in fancy pants or advertising the price tag doesn't indicate a sense of style, it betrays an insecure reliance on trendy fashion -- there's a colossal difference between the two -- and screams that you're seeking acceptance by those of your ilk for whom that sort of b.s. actually matters. Spare us, please, and go max out your credit cards in a poseur-laden club, leaving the rest of us to enjoy the outstanding food, theater, and the company of friends for a nice night out.

Hats off the guy in Paris in Gap jeans -- well done, they worked. And kudos as well to the restaurateur who sagely points out that if they accept it at that location, then you can wear it. However, I think most people are aware that if you wear jeans to the theater or a church, you're just going to look like a clown. Dress appropriately, but do it for yourself and out of respct for where you are, not in hopes that some other insecure trend-monkey will notice the label on your waistband. And if you wear $200 jeans anywhere, you still just spent the price of a great dinner on a pair of flippin' JEANS. Good call, genius.

Posted by: Gary Cooper wore jeans and a tux, just not to the same places. | January 27, 2006 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Personally, if everyone in the place is in designer jeans that makes me want to wear the black dress more. Every hoochie from Arlington has a pair of True Religions, so you know it's over! There's honestly nothing worse than watching a little cadre of girls going out each with matching pairs of Citizens or Hudson jeans. So over it! If you guys think a pair of jeans looks hotter/better/classier than a black dress, you guys have been sold a bill of goods.

Posted by: Anne | January 27, 2006 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Regarding your original comment, if it all boils down to personal preference and comfort, we'll see baggy jeans and flip-flops everywhere--oh wait, we already do.

Please gurus, consider that dining at Cafe Atlantico, or most other restaurants downtown, is not the same as dining at Applebee's in Falls Church, where baggy jeans and flip-flops reign. Slim-fitting, well pressed jeans worn with heels and stylish tops looks great on women from 15 to 30-somethings...but beyond that age may not be the best choice. And guys, how about buying a shirt with a collar and some new loafers that don't look like boxcars to wear to Jaleo...and lastly, let's get over this notion that stylish and dressy clothes are not comfortable. Buy clothes that are well-made and fit, and they will be comfortable--and you'll look great!

Posted by: G A | January 27, 2006 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I quite liked Beth's comment about inconsiderate behaviour being more distressing than "inappropriate" clothing. While we all have different ideas of style, I have to agree with many of the comments about DC's conservative, work-centric style of dress. But that's my opinion and reflective of a general city character that is at the root of my decision to move soon to Portland. Style of clothing aside, rarely have I had a meal ruined by the personal appearance of my fellow diners. However, on many occasions, I have had meals, performances and moments rudely spoiled by aggregious personal manners. I'm tired of the sense of entitlement and self-centeredness.

Posted by: Hannah | January 30, 2006 1:37 PM | Report abuse

It just depends on where you're going! There are jeans out there that cost four times the average price of slacks and look ten times better- and I say people should be allowed them if the overall look is elegant and obviously "dressing up."

Posted by: SJS | January 30, 2006 3:42 PM | Report abuse

How did all this turn from a conversation just about sporting denim appropriately in dining establishments, to a conversation about how "your nice looking jeans cost more and therefore you are entitled to wear them everywhere."

I don't exactly it's that big of a deal at midline restaurants to wear jeans. But you can buy a knock-off pair off "nice", dark looking denim at H&M, or Express, or wherever- $35. Don't play the True Religion card; because half of us? Can't tell if you're wearing the pricey stuff, and frankly don't care anyways.

The hilarity of $300 denim is that jeans started with a purchase of wholesale fabric turning into a working-mans pant. How quickly we forget.

Posted by: yay, more talk about jeans. because chicks NEVER do that. | February 2, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I strongly believe that going out to dinner wearing a nice pair of designer jeans should be added to the list of apparel for a classy dinner. As long as the designer jeans make the persons body look good that is all that matters. By the way has anyone heard about zafu? It is a new site that I was trying out that is supposed to predict the perfect fitting designer jeans. They even go to saying that it will make my small ass look good. Any comments? the site was at:

http://www.zafu.com

Posted by: Lisa | August 8, 2006 6:30 PM | Report abuse

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