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Posted at 12:49 PM ET, 12/27/2010

If Mike Shanahan deserves patience, so did Donovan McNabb

By LaVar Arrington

As the Redskins' season comes to a conclusion Sunday, I keep hearing all this talk about how we need to give Mike Shanahan time. Coaches need time to build teams, which means they need time to get their guys in place.

I agree with this thought process: A coach should have time to evaluate, assess, adapt and adjust to have a chance at building a winning team. But here's where I find hypocrisy with the Redskins: Everything a coach needs to succeed in a new situation, a franchise quarterback needs, as well.

Think about it: If Mike Shanahan were treated and judged the same way as his franchise quarterback has been, he would have been benched for a backup coach.

Mike Shanahan and Donovan McNabb's first seasons as Redskins are connected. When Mike Shanahan decided to bring in Donovan McNabb and make him his franchise quarterback, the commitment was made, for better or for worse. So why, in Shanahan's case, do we attribute this season's problems to the growing pains of rebuilding a struggling franchise, but not in McNabb's?

McNabb's agent made it clear his client had been disrespected by the move to bench him, which to me makes it clear that McNabb's last game as a Redskin will most likely be this Sunday against the Giants. After all the build-up and advertising campaigns, am I the only person that finds that to be strange?

McNabb's on-field performance can be criticized; that's the nature of being an NFL quarterback. But McNabb should have received the benefit of the doubt from his head coach, and then the media, which would've given the fans an opportunity to make up their own minds on the situation. It should've been a no-brainer to extend the same courtesy to McNabb that Mike Shanahan so conveniently accepts for himself. Unfortunately, that's not what happened.

Teams are built through sacrifice, accountability, respect, admiration and so many other things. I have not seen this as being a part of the total makeup of this team. So how are the players to believe in a man who clearly doesn't practice sacrifice? That would've been to take the blame for a horrible season and not roll so many players under the bus. Accountability is showing your players how to do things by example. Treating the most important player on the team in such a way shows he has very little respect for the players. This to me, again, shows the type of coach Mike Shanahan is.

Instead of making decisions that would pull this team together, Shanahan continues to create double standards -- between coaches and players, between players and players -- that ultimately destroy the chemistry of a team.

If a coach wishes to build a team, he must first understand that he is a part of it. A coach who thinks he is bigger than the team will find it very difficult to build a winner. So far, it would appear that Mike Shanahan thinks exactly that.

In my opinion, McNabb has accomplished more than enough as a professional quarterback to be given a fair opportunity to evaluate, assess, adapt and adjust to a new team -- the same courtesy that Mike Shanahan's reputation has earned him.

It will be interesting to see how the Donovan McNabb situation pans out this offseason.

By LaVar Arrington  | December 27, 2010; 12:49 PM ET
 
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More whining from Lavar. You're comparing apples and oranges with coaches and players. By your logic, all players who play poorly should be handled with patience. Should a cornerback who gets burned every game for a touchdown be extended patience? No. He should be benched, and another player should be given a chance at the position. McNabb had plenty of time to learn this offense, and he proved that he was ill-fitted for it.

McNabb is no different than any other player on this roster. The quarterback should be held accountable for poor play, just as any other player. Shanahan hasn't "thrown people under the bus" as you so foolishly suggest. He benched McNabb as soon as they were out of playoff contention. Why NOT use the rest of the season to evaluate other players? What sense would it make to play McNabb in meaningless games? After all, McNabb is 34. Regardless of how he plays, he is not the future of this team. Shanahan is looking out for the best possible interest of this team: the long-term future.

Posted by: adamleehankins | December 27, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Why do I waste my time reading the garbage that comes out of LaVar Arrington's mouth?

Posted by: Rational_Man | December 27, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure LaVar thinks Andy Reid is an idiot for losing patience with McNabb. Well, Reid is in a position to get his team into the playoffs, and McNabb was flat out ineffective this season.

He deserves to sit, not matter what he may have done somewhere else.

I wonder if as disrespected as McNabb has been, he'll give back the the extra $3 million he got this year if he's really asking for his release.

Because this is all about respect, not money, right?

Yeah, pretty much.

Posted by: Ve1ostrummer | December 27, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Mcnabb is the best addition to the redskins in years. Does anyone think Peyton or brady could have done better with this team? get rid of the entire coaching staff---keep mcnabb.

Posted by: agis1 | December 27, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Arrington does not understand the concept of sunk costs. In short, the principle is, just because you spent $3million on what you thought was a winner does noty mean you have to keep spending millions when he proves not to be one. When you ante up $5 in a poker game and draw a 10 high, are tou going to stay in because you already spent $5?

As good as McNabb's career was, even a casual observer can see that it is on the downside.

And, coaches should get more time because they have to build an entire team, a player only has to worry about himself.

Posted by: jimbrooks99 | December 27, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

adamleehankins & ve1ostrummer both are idiots and need to learn the game of football. Shanahan wanted McNabb so both are learning this idiots style of Redskins football. Same old plays, same old ragedy offensive line that can't protect any quarterback and a down right OLD team. We need McNabb along with some new blood, young legs and good catching hands. No he's not giving any money back because he worth that and much more. Both of you grow up and learn the game. He knew McNabb was 34 years old before he signed him. His stats speaks for him not you.

Posted by: deshay46 | December 27, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Mcnabb is the best addition to the redskins in years. Does anyone think Peyton or brady could have done better with this team? get rid of the entire coaching staff---keep mcnabb.

Posted by: agis1 | December 27, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Yes Manning or Brady would have did ten times better than Mcnabb because they are 10 times better than him. Have you seen the O-line Manning plays behind. While it may be better than the Skins but not by much. Manning and Brady make their receivers better with their accuracy. Mcnabb doesn't seem to do that. He is a good QB but not on the level of Brady or Manning.

Posted by: wstclair | December 27, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Another Lavar "Shanahan bashing" article. Yes, Lavar, we all know you're disgruntled. They said you were a rover and weren't the sharpest knife in the drawer; so we all know you have an axe to grind against coaches. And now Shanahan doesn't fully answer all your questions? What exactly does he owe you or the rest of the media? Nothing. So stop sniveling and playing Monday Morning QB. We all "get it." The act is old.

Posted by: Matt252 | December 27, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

"Teams are built through sacrifice, accountability, respect, admiration and so many other things."

Lavar, what do you know about building a team? I never saw coach in front of your name. In fact, I don't recall you being a part of a team that had consecutive winning seasons.

You are wrong on so many levels that it now makes perfect sense why you could never have been a building block on a good team. Do you think that Bill Belichick, perhaps the greatest coach this decade, thinks his players are on his level? No, of course he doesn't. He is there boss.

You said yourself that coaches deserve time to evaluate and assess, well he's made his assessment of McNabb. His assessment is that McNabb doesn't fit what he wants to do here. He also knows he has five years or maybe less to get this team on track so he can't waste any more time.

Do you feel sorry for McNabb or something? Ohhh, booo hoo, he only gets one year to prove himself. Nobody says he's not good, just that he doesn't fit. He will go on to another team and perhaps be a better fit while making a good living doing it.

Give me a break with this 'he deserves more time' mumbo jumbo.

That's your main problem. You think that because you are/were a good athlete, you deserve something. You don't, and in this case, McNabb doesn't deserve anything.

I'm not surprised though coming from you. You and Chad with your negativity. Don't think Skins fans aren't on to you. It's obvious you go on these rants every so often to garner ratings. Just like how you are writing articles that bash the coach for doing his job.

It's articles like this that remind me why I'm so glad I don't listen to that terrible show anymore. It's a good thing your name has recognition, and that you made a few good plays during your career because if you didn't that show wouldn't have a shot.

Why can't the media just let the coaches coach and the players play. You always have to provide your input, which 99% of the time couldn't be more wrong. Have you coached? Have you been a G.M.? Owner? Trainer? No, no, no, and no. All you have done is play, so stick to what you know about playing (which after listening to your show isn't very much).

Posted by: bselby12 | December 27, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

LAVAR,
Shanahan has done NOTHING wrong throughout this media blown up ordeal. The only thing he erred on was his explantion on the Detroit benching. McNabb has mostly stunk, therefore he was benched. It's about winning, right? Give Shanahan the benefit of the doubt as a coach who know's a thing or two about the QB position. Are you at practice? Do you know if DM is making the right reads and progressions or even sticking to the game plan? I'm not even including the balls thrown in the dirt on most 3rd downs. Plain and simple, the Skins made a big mistake bringing him in and they know this. Andy Reid and the rest of the Philly faithful are laughing. You, Lavar, should know as much as anyone. You were benched because you were undisciplined and flew all over the field, completely over persuing on every other play trying to make the bone-jarring hit. You had one good season, under Marvin Lewis. He somehow reigned you in. Throw away the other Pro-Bowls you made based on your name. And, STOP writing this crap. You can't get over your vendetta for this orginization. It's personal to you. Your only adding to the media storm that has blown this situation way out of proportion. Oh, and tell McNabb's agent to shut his mouth, too. This guy is causing major drama, unnecessarily.

Posted by: matthewrayman | December 27, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Bring Gibbs back. Joe once said, "I don't put players into 'my' system. I see what my players can do, and make a system that works best for their talents.' McNabb has super talent, but like many players, it won't show if the system isn't right. Jason's doing just fine out west in a system better suited for his talents.

Posted by: uclabruindude | December 27, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Manning has 100 times a better line than Mcnabb buddy, however you could compare recievers.

Posted by: ththornton1 | December 27, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has been one of the most productive players in the past decade. He brought the Eagles four consecutive times to the top of the NFC East. He got them five NFC Championships. He brought them to the damn Super Bowl. Last year was the only year he had some weapons. The defense really messed it up for them.
Don't get me wrong, Shanahan has been a very successful coach. He has three rings, one with the 49ers and two with the Broncos. He has the most wins as a Bronco Coach ever. However, after doing a little bit of research, Shanahan did not win another playoff game for seven years once Elway left. And being the Offensive Coordinator with the 49ers, he had arguably some of the best weapons of all time. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. Really can't test that.
The Redskins have really not fared any better with Grossman than with McNabb at all. Another coincidence? Maybe. But why would the organization sign McNabb for another 5 years if he was that bad?
Listen, I'm an Eagles fan just looking up some news on our once leading QB. Looking back on this past year, the Shanahans gave McNabb a good ol' backhand. We should all look at the whole before blaming a single player. After all, it is a team game.

Posted by: blackwolf5115 | December 27, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Everybody in on Mcnabb, his best reciever moss is a number 2 at best, he has a TE is on the radio whining how he never gets the ball and drops 4 passes in the first half including a gimmie TD. The line by far is one of the worst in the league, and to top it off he has a wet behind the ear coordinator that should be couching HS, case closed, Mcnabb had no chance with this organization.

Posted by: ththornton1 | December 27, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

bruindude: the Gibbs quote is a big part of why he was so special & had so much success.

LaVar bashers: Lay off, LVA got this exactly right. What's done is done, but DM5 mess is mainly of Shanny's making, from blowing 2 desperately-needed draft picks on a QB the OC didn't want to poor communication on the HC's part. I agree that Shanny needs time to make this work, but the DM5 fiasco calls the HC's talent evaluation skills into question, or certainly should. It's not like there's no footage of DM5 he coulda looked at before the trade.

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | December 27, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

None of this would be an issue if...

A. McNabb would have been a professional and learned the playbook he got in April.
B. Took the advice of a former QB's coach and 3 time Superbowl ring recipient in M.S. and worked on his footwork to fix his overthrowing and underthrowing issue.

Posted by: JSchon | December 27, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

What if its been McNabb and his innacuracy holding the Eagles back all these years? The fact is that McNabb has played like crap this year. Could he be better next year? Maybe. But even if he is, it would still be a stopgap for another year or so. Time to find some stability for the quarterback position.

Posted by: jahson794 | December 27, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

And wow, easy on the LaVar shots. He can have as much of an opinion as anyone else the commented, and he has had more experience in the NFL than most people in discussion. In fact, I will put money than nobody that commented has had ANY experience in the organization.

Posted by: blackwolf5115 | December 27, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Get rid of Kyle Shanahan. Only an idiot would hand a running back the ball five times in the second half of a close game after said running back rushed for 150 yards in the first half alone. Only an idiot would design or call plays for a quarterback who lacks the technique to complete the play. Finally only an idiot who has a terrific running back would come out with his back up qaurterback on his 10 yard line and start throwing the ball.

Posted by: renegade2 | December 27, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Manning has 100 times a better line than Mcnabb buddy, however you could compare recievers.

Posted by: ththornton1 | December 27, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

No he does not have a 100 times better line, he just makes them look good because he knows those subtle moves in the pocket to avoid the rush and he gets rid of the ball on time an accurate.

Posted by: wstclair | December 27, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

This isn't just about McNabb not fitting into the system. This is about POOR fundamentals. I've seen him drill too many passes into the dirt this year. His accuracy is terrible.

I think it's hilarious how some people compare McNabb's situation to Brady and Manning. McNabb is nowhere near the caliber of players those two are.

Posted by: adamleehankins | December 27, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

When's the last time you saw Brady or Manning throw the ball at someones feet wide open with time to throw?

Never happens.

Posted by: JSchon | December 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is inaccurate and doesn't know the offense...

That's a lose lose scenario.

Posted by: JSchon | December 27, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Of course Tom Brady or Payton Manning could have done a better job if they were on this team than McNabb. Get real! McNabb is not close to being on their level. Just like had either of them been with the Eagles they would have WON a super bowl. Why are the Eagles so much better this year than last year? They took the trash out and left it on Dan Snyder's front yard. Had we got Mike Vick instead of washed up McNabb you can bet Shanahan would be thinking about the many other spots that need addressing on the team and not QB. LaVar is spewing his typical I hate the Redskins crap.

Posted by: CadillacJack | December 27, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Franchise QB my a--. McNabb is an AWFUL passer. Oh, he might make a huge play down field, but he is not an elite QB and never has been. Stats decieve. Good QB's are great passers. Manning, Montana, Brady, Brees...

Posted by: Trout1 | December 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

WHATEVER!

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 27, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan has a huge chip on his shoulder. He feels the League and fans does not respect him as much as they respect coaches like Bill Parcells, Mike Holmgren, Bill Belichich. He often make bold ignorant decisions for attention (he drafted Maurice Clarette when the league would not touch him). He has a grumpy old man complex. We should have left in retirement. Its funny how I never hear any of his old players attribute their success to Shanahan as a coach, or a person. John Elway always speaks of Dan Reeves, Terrell Davis talks about John Elway. Nobody mentions Shanahan in the breath of being one of the greatest coaches.

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 27, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb isn't now nor will he ever be Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. However I think that he has performed better than most recent Redskin quarterbacks I can remember, and this has been his worst year as a pro. Wasn't he close to breaking the single season Redskin passing record in an off year? There has been spotty O-line play at best, a non-existent rushing game most of the year, some really bad receiving play, and a horrible defense (averaging over 400 YPG given up). There are more problems than the QB, how much better would D5M's season have been if there weren't so many drops from all the receivers (how many touchdowns were dropped?) or interceptions that bounced off the receivers?

Shanahan is a 2 time SB winning head coach, that couldn't win again after his QB retired. He is also the same HC that got fired for bad personnel decisions 2 years ago. He wanted full control, he got it, and now we are dealing with it.

He has not listened to his son and got McNabb( personally I still think this was a good move), he then mishandled the Haynesworth issue (instead of waiting until late in the season, he should've just cut him to set the example), and now he has mishandled the Mcnabb issue multiple times. Should he sit Mcnabb to evaluate talent? Sure but shouldn't it be Beck the one that actually has a career ahead of him instead of Rex who has plenty of footage already of how inconsistent he has been? He also could've handled it with more tact. As someone that has played on multiple teams in multiple sports (never pro), team chemistry is important at the player level, and players build chemistry together, either with or without the coach. We are in danger of seeing a locker room divided and more years of losing.

Personally I would love to see Mcnabb start here for 2 more years while we try to draft the players we need to win. This means a QB as well as others. McNabb isn't a long term solution but he could give us time to groom a young QB to be where we need them to be.

He also gives us the option to get 3-4 players so that our defense isn't still at the bottom of the league.

People keep forgetting about that. Haslett said he wanted to do a 4-3 this year and Shanny said he wanted a 3-4, we went from top 5 to last.

All based on Shan's evaluating abilities. While Arrington does seem very against the Redskins at times, his points to hold weight.

Shanahan has made bad decisions on both sides of the ball, and we should give him time. However he should give some time to a someone that he deemed valuable enough to give 2 high picks for.

Posted by: bigjdve1 | December 27, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else tired of Arrington and his fat radio sidekick Chad Dukes trying to constantly stir controversy?

Posted by: sdunn1 | December 27, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

bselby12, you're way off. If LaVar can't question Shanahan because he's a coach, then who are you to question a former NFL player. You've never played on that level, so how can you criticize him?

LaVar is correct. Mike Shanahan is the one who brought in McNabb. Mike Shanahan is the one who said that it takes 2 YEARS to completely learn the system. So then why pull the carpet out from underneath the guy that HE BROUGHT IN, giving him less than the 2 years that he said it would take a qb to learn the system? Look, I get it. McNabb has had horrific accuracy problems. But given his body of work, he was due more respect than either of the Shanahans showed him. You don't let your starting qb find out through the media that he isn't starting. Yeah, Shanny talked to him to officially let him know on a Thurday that he wasn't going to start for the remainder of the season. The problem with that is that it was being reported earlier in the week that he wouldn't get the start. You people (meaning irrational fans) need to stop going ape s... everytime someone criticizes the "great" Mike Shanahan.

And to the point about Andy Reid, I find that to be an inaccurate argument. Reid dumped McNabb in favor of Kolb, not Vick. Kolb went into the season as the starter. Does anyone think that the Eagles would be as successful as they have been this year if Kolb was the starter? I seriously doubt that. If you can comfortably say that the Eagles would be doing just as well with Kolb as the qb, then by all means, continue with your argument.

Posted by: Rahwaj | December 27, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe I'm saying this, but you are exactly right. I have been critical of you for some things, but you are right on the money with this one. Shanahan should go out the door right after McNabb. His ego is bigger than this team or the DMV.....

Posted by: punchdaclock | December 27, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to LaVar and B-Mitch to side with the player EVERY TIME! Haynesworth is a total bum and LaVar thinks he was "wronged.". I admire Shannahan for what he's doing to set the right tone with this team - accountability goes a long way with me... I am SICK of watching prima Donna players pop off their mouths and question coaching decisions. Either get on the bus or leave town is what Shanny is saying... Pretty simple. I give a RAT DAMN about McNabb's "status.". Should have studied the offense and listened to the coaches buddy. Since he refused tondo that then he HAS to go.... Kudos to Shannahan for manning up, admitting the mistake, and moving on. About time we had someone with guts around this soft, politically correct town.

Posted by: Capitalist-1 | December 27, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey lavar at what point do you stop grinding that axe? It's ok you never lived up to your Penn state hype and you freelanced yourself out the NFL.

Posted by: clwalker1906 | December 27, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

people criticizing Lavar and backing Shanahan forget why he was fired from Denver in the first place. His ego! Hel-lo! Everyone expecting Shanahan to go out and get Jake Locker better keep Bubby Brister or Steve Buerlien in mind

Posted by: ryjufox3 | December 27, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Lavar.. Mike Shannahan the GM failed Mike Shannahan the coach. He shouldn't have made the trade. If McNabb is as good as everyone thinks he is, why did Andy Reid trade him? Everyone says it wasn't Andy's call. Andy has control over player personnel. Only 3 teams were interested in McNabb. Redskins, Bills, and Raiders. Only Redskins were willing to give up a 2nd and more. Bills and Raiders were offering only a 3rd pick. So for all those people who say Arizona or Minnesota will get him next year. They could have had him this year. Minnesota is dumb enough to think Favre was still a good option, so they may go for McNabb. Arizona chose to go with Matt Leinhart (cut him) and then Derek Anderson and two rookies. They know what McNabb is. Yes he has had a good career. 5 NFC championships 1 Super Bowl 6 Pro Bowls awesome resume but its the past. He's Mark Brunell... Redskins traded a 2nd rd pick for him and he didn't pan out as well. Hopefully Shannahan will realize to stop coveting big name players. Utilize the draft and be smart in free agency. As Redskins fans that's what we hope. But history has shown us that under Snyder it won't happen. I hate the reasoning for the benching but at least he's not treating the QB position like a sacred cow. Is Rex the answer...NO WAY! But its time to move on McNabb and Rex and most of this roster. Now if in 3 years we are at the same state of confusion...Shannahan KICK ROCKS!

Posted by: sjenks8 | December 27, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Fans be honest with yourselves. For the past few years, every time there is a coaching vacancy we hear John Gruden, Bill Cowher, and Bill Parcell. No one was beating on Shanahan’s door to get him back in the league. The Washington Redskins had to settle for him because no one would coach here. That’s why we had to settle for Jim Zorn last year. Bruce Allen has apparently sold some of you on Shanahan with that “WE GOT OUR MAN” crap. When the Eagles wanted to shop McNabb, he generated immediate interest. When he leaves this franchise he will still generate interest. I cannot say the same for Shanahan.

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Point #1

"(Lavar Arrington) was the most undisciplined player I ever coached."
- Marvin Lewis

Point #2

I love the fact that Shanahan makes EVERY player earn their roster spot...even McNabb. He wasn't playing well for reasons not all his fault, but it seems as if Grossman can run the offense better. Haven't seen any "dirtballs" yet from Rex. Also, sonce Rex has been in how many red zone TD's have we scored.

Point #3

LaVar Arrington will always have an axe to grind with the Redskins...

Point #4

Brian Mitchell was a former union rep...he ALWAYS sides with the players. Mitchell is incapable of being objective.

Point #5

If ya'll think LaVar actually writes these blogs, you're crazy.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Lavar is so right and all of you that think Grossman is better than McNabb are high on something. Grossman will never put up the numbers that McNabb has. We seen that yesterday because Grossman didn't show me nothing. Wait till this week with a hungry Giants team needing to win.. They going to feast off Grossman and I can't wait. Right now I'm hating to say I'm a Skins fan because enough is enough.

Posted by: deckyc | December 27, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Arrington.

I'm not an expert on coaching or playing football but I do have expertise in management and Shanahan has done a very poor job of managing the players and the team.

If McNabb should be benched so should Shanahan.

Posted by: rlj1 | December 27, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The right answer is somewhere in the middle.

Bottom-line, McNabb just isn't a good fit with this team and this system.

The most important thing the skins need to do over the next 2-3 years is build a stout offensive line. The rest will come easy. A good line would make Grossman look like a stud, free Cooley to block less, open holes for Torain, and give Moss more time to get open. I think the only skill position the skins need to fill this offseason is WR. They need a true #1 WR with some height and strength. Sure the next Sean Taylor would be great too, but I don't see anyone coming out with his talent.

Posted by: alecw81 | December 27, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

matthewrayman, stop it. Please. LaVar wasn't benched for being "undiciplined." There were ulterior motives working there. Your argument would hold weight, if LaVar's replacement wasn't Warrick Holdman, who was consistantly burned and run over. I'll take an "undisciplined" playmaker over a disciplined bum everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

Shanahan is wrong in how he's dealt with his players, period. His job as a coach is to put his players in the best position possible to win. His job isn't to play power trip games with his players. You don't take Haynesworth to NY only to tell him, he's inactive. That's pure BS. Tell the man he's not playing on Friday. Don't take him on the team trip in an effort, as I see it, to embarrass him. You don't make a mockery of your DT by continuing to announce that he failed the "conditioning" test on a daily basis in the media. You don't yank your starting qb for his "cardiovascular" endurance in the 2 minute drill when he essentially was on the run for the entire game against Detroit. You don't get rid of Devin Thomas for his so called lack of off season preparation, when he came into camp in the best shape of his NFL career. Meanwhile, you have Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams doing nothing but eating up roster space. You don't deactivate Derick Dockery to put in a less effective Lichtenstieger. There are a lot of mistakes and misteps that the Shanahans have made this year! They aren't above criticism and everyone who does so, isn't a "hater" nor do they all have an axe to grind.

Posted by: Rahwaj | December 27, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Bottomline,

Football is a game. More like lotto, you gotta play to win and we all like to win. So if you aren't winnning you need to be willing to change. So they did, doesn't mean McNabb is bad, just mean we needed a change. We are moving the ball we won. Whats the problem. As a far as fear, well, they need to play to stay. I like it myself. That's why they call us the Few and the Proud. Not everyone can be a Marine, and not everyone is suited to be a Redskin...

Posted by: thooker65 | December 27, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

LaVar. I like you love to grind an axe. So lets start here.

LaVar. Have you made good and paid the money you owe your restaurant staff ?

Lavar. Why didn't you inform your staff the restaurant was,,, like you a bust ?

LaVar why didn't you reach into your own pocket and pay your staff ? Considering it was on Christmas eve, your restaurant went belly up.

LaVar. Why did you chicken out and not show up and explain your YOUR employees what was going on, when the creditors were picking that crap hole you call a restaurant apart ?



Posted by: Defund_NPR | December 27, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

LaVar is right - as usual.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 27, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to see a pattern with LaVar. It isn't surprising he thought he had one contract when he signed another. He is just a head case without the ability to process reality.

Perhaps LaVar should realize that Shanny is the head coach. In that role, it is HIS JOB to put together a team that will win and has the best chance to perform. If a quarterback, like McNabb, is NOT executing plays as they are designed, it is Shanny's job to remove that player and to put someone else into play who WILL.

It is obvious even from this lay person's perspective that Grossman knows this offense - he may not be the better athlete on the field over McNabb, but he is certainly no dumber than McNabb. And while McNabb has obviously limited his comprehension to the Redskin playbook, Grossman has obviously gone past the first two pages. Perhaps McNabb could have presented the Redskins with a better chance had he found page three and beyond.

I got the sense from this season's start that the Redskins were trying to win this year - the retention of so much experience was evident. The age of the assembled masses was significant. Few mountain ranges in the world had that much age. And who could blame Shanny from wanting to win now - Redskin fans are impatient and spoiled rotten.

But age did show its nasty tendency - broken bones - broken men - and injuries down the stretch. And with the progress through the season, the old men were run down, slow, and unable to match the younger teams stride for stride.

Assuming that the aging players had the intensity and desire to win as the younger players, it became equally evident that the aging players were lazy in preparation. In the last two games where you have young guys without much pro experience playing, they still equaled the performance of the aging veterans - and in some cases exceeded the performance. The desire to prove something trumps a lazy veteran who has the cash in his back pocket and has nothing to prove.

So, LaVar, let's cut Shanny some slack. His bedside manner may be like a chainsaw to a circumcision, but he has won Super Bowls as a head coach. I can't seem to recall LaVar winning a Super Bowl. I seem to remember him missing more games for the Giants than he actually played for them.

Posted by: laserwizard | December 27, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan was trying to be diplomatic w/ McNabb by telling him that he wanted to evaluate the other quarterbacks. Anyone w/ half an ounce of common sense realizes this.

The alternative would've been this: "Donovan, we made a mistake in signing you. You can't play. You can't grasp our offense. You don't practice hard. We don't want you."

Would that have been better?

Posted by: randysbailin | December 27, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

And if McNabb was white he would be bashed how bad he is much like Grossman.

Posted by: alling | December 27, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow!!!!!
Seriously could someone explain to me how or rather why a Qb is treated like he is a demigod? Just stop this defense of McNabb and while you are at it stop talking about Joe Gibbs. The first time he left was coincidentally (? ) right before the team started down this road to becoming the biggest joke in the NFL. Specifically in 1992 his last year the team went to the divisional playoffs to the 49ers. He retires and the team goes 4-12. If you want to blame Pettibon go ahead everyone else has. But if you stop and examine it is Gibbs saw the team was old and was not competitive and he could leave on a high note. The year before his return 5-11. Then with him 6-10, followed by 10-6 and back to 5-11 and then 9-7. Not exactly awe inspiring considering he had 4 years to get the team back to prominence and he then left again right before a 7-7 and then 4-12 seasons. I understand that in many ways this franchise seems to be snake bit. But the amount of emotion expressed over the demotion of a QB that Philly let go for a 2nd round pick and the great majority of Philly fans who had watched him over the last two years and not just his Redskins Carvings and ESPN highlights were not sad to see him no longer be the starting QB. Ok Shanny took a shot and tried McNabb to win now. Good for him. Maybe McNabb would have worked better if VinDanny had not destroyed the O Line with their apathy. Maybe had the Danny hired a real GM early on there would have been more parts to run Shanny’s system and given McNabb more time. Whatever. It didn’t happen. The only difference between McNabb and the people I see everyday on my way to work is I know McNabb’s stats and he shows up on the TV. But I do not know him as a friend. Why is that important? Because there are reasons NFL players make the money they do. 1. Shortness of career (avg 3 years) 2. Risk of Injury 3. They are for the most part fungible and can be traded. Simply put no matter the caliber of the man off the field the performance on the field is paramount. If this was a CB or and LB no one would be up in arms. But a QB OMG!!!!!!

As for the Gibbs quote that is being used to promote the nonsense of non-system. All of the SBs under Gibbs and most of the success he had in Gibbs 1 had the same O line. (Hear that know nothing fans he had the SAME O-LINE) The QBs were interchangeable for the most part and they kept finding an opposite to Art Monk and kept finding RBs that could handle 40 GUT. Yes Gibbs tweaked his system ala Smurfs, Fun Bunch, Riggo. Of course if you have players who are elite you call their number more.

Lavar please do us all a favor and go away. You are as adept at NFL analysis as you were at running a restaurant or an entertainment management group. That’s right 0-2 on restaurants right and you represent Whiteboy from “I Love New York.” As for your body of work in the NFL, I am sorry your body and apparently your attitude (based on all the news

Posted by: Hank4 | December 27, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

When the Lord said: "Now lets make all the morons” LaVar was already sitting in the bus and ready to go.

I am not going to get into all the stupidities of this article, but I hope someone let this guy know that a coach and a player are two different positions, and it is not up to debate as to who is command. LaVar the guy who changed my oil in my car did not use the right oil — he did not follow the procedures established by the manager — should I ask that the manager be fired?

Posted by: hock1 | December 27, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

reports I have read about you) prevented you from fulfilling the potential we all thought you had. The Redskins fans always hoped you would blossom and play as well as it seemed you did at PSU. But in retrospect Joe Pa might have mistreated you. Allowing you to freelance might have created a level of presumptuousness that you would never have been able to move past.

I for one could care if every starter was benched. I just want wins and this column you wrote isn’t even worth the time to read much less the response it created.

Posted by: Hank4 | December 27, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Well I don't want to inject race into this, but alling, you have the question all wrong. The real question is if he was white would you be defending him?

Look, While I think Donovan NcNabb was a great quarterback over the years, Philadelphia (Andy Reid) knew they weren't trading a star to a Division rival. They would never have done that. So be real, Donovan is a great person and I greatly respect him, but his days as a premier NFL quarterback are behind him.

The only way the Redskins will ever improve is through objective evaluation of the players. It has been nearly 11 years since we had that. Now you want to throw that away just because you can't see the truth about McNabb?

Posted by: Obamasux | December 27, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Well Put Lavar Shanny is a bigot and a fraud!

Posted by: phildozier | December 27, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

this is history repeating itself.
Lavar was washed up when we threw out the dead weight, and we're doing it with McNabb.
let's see what the rest of the league thinks of him this summer? We won't get a 7th round pick for him!

Posted by: jyshim | December 27, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Mcbadd has great career stats. However, he now sucks and is NOT a starting QB in this league, get over it. Is Rex the answer? No, but at least he knows the offense and is lights out in the red zone.

Posted by: BallsDeep | December 27, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Lavar brings the truth again. But it don't matter. You come to Washington DC to get paid not to win. McNabb got his $10 million. Shanahan is getting his. Gibbs wanted cash and got it. Spurrier. Haynesworth. Deion and his $8 million. Until Snyder changes that approach, this is what we will get. We don't argue about the right things in DC; we attack those who offer constructive criticism because we feel bad that every year, Danny Boy fools us again. Did people forget that Snyder hated Jason Campbell because he didn't move jerseys out of the stores. I was in the stores today; McNabb made up for that. Granted, there will be no more sales, but check the sales from April to December. Through the roof. Same old same old - Snyder wants to make money; he does not want to win. Anyone remember Art Modell losing money even though Cleveland was a perennial contender back in the 1980's? No accident that the Ravens (the former Browns) are winners. You have to want to win; you can get paid too but Snyder is a money owner not a winner.

Posted by: isometruman1 | December 27, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Might as well give Donovan a trophy -- he's such a swell guy...

Posted by: live1 | December 27, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Lavar is so right and all of you that think Grossman is better than McNabb are high on something. Grossman will never put up the numbers that McNabb has. We seen that yesterday because Grossman didn't show me nothing. Wait till this week with a hungry Giants team needing to win.. They going to feast off Grossman and I can't wait. Right now I'm hating to say I'm a Skins fan because enough is enough.

Posted by: deckyc | December 27, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

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Just like everyone said after the Dallas game...LOL wait until they face a hungry Jags team...Please. McNabb was a fine Quarterback and maybe he has something left, but Grossman an average journeyman has outplayed him plain and simple. The coach does NOT answer to the players! That's not how it works. Reid and the Eagles new McNabb was done THAT'S WHY THEY DUMPED HIM IN THE DIVISION. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!! BTW if you are rooting for the Giants to feast on Grossman you are no fan at all. Find another team traitor.

Posted by: skins91r | December 27, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

GREAT ARTICLE LAVAR!!!
Shanahan should be fired because we had a team with a great captain named Mcnabb. I thought the team would be around 8-8 due to the difficult schedule. But Shanahan threw Mcnabb under the bus. He should have known it will take him more than a year to be good at this new offense. He was on pace to break the redskins passing record. No QB is going to come in and learn his system that fast, But to say Rex is any where close to Mcnabb is a joke. Im sorry but Rex is terrible. He turns the ball over way too much, his last game his QB rating was 59.9. Thats his usual game. But Mcnabb is a Hall of Famer. He has great stats for his carreer. Why didnt the coach say give him more time and he will improve. But to fire someone in less than a year. that is ridiculous. So if Shanahan is not willing to give Mcnabb a year why should we give him a year. What coach has his arm around his QB the week before and then turns on him and benches him?
FIRE SHANAHAN!!! HE IS A EGO DRIVEN MAD MAN WHO HASNT WON ANYTHING IN A LONG TIME!!!!

Posted by: wohwinner | December 27, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

It's amusing to me how many fellow Skins fans don't have a clue as to how a successful organization is operated.

For those of you that disagree with MS, I will make a simple analogy that you can understand.

In the military, we have this thing called ranks. Now, the higher rank you are, the more AUTHORITY and POWER you have to get the mission accomplished. For the sake of this analogy, we will say MS is a General and the mission is to prepare your troops for the mission, and then they have to perform their individual task so the unit or in this case team, completes the mission.

If your Captain (McNabb) isn't completing his tasks, and you know that you need to groom a different Captain in the years coming in order to complete the mission in the time given, your not worried about hurting the Captains feelings. You demote him.

I realize that the NFL is not the military and I am in no way trying to compare the importance of what the military does to how the NFL works. However, the military's structure is like any other organization or company. If your CEO isn't getting the job done, you fire him immediately. You don't wait around because he WAS really good. You don't make excuses of why he's not doing well.

@Rahwaj - I can criticize Lavar for three reasons. 1. I know how a healthy organization is built up. 2. You don't have to play professional football to know that Lavar doesn't have a really high football i.q. 3. Who said I didn't play football professionally?

Posted by: bselby12 | December 27, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

You have to question Shanana judgement on players. Every Redskin fan new Mcnabb was inaccurate. All or nothing quarterback. Just Like going into the season with the over the hill RB's was a joke. When young Free agents RB's like LeGarrette Blount were on the waiver wires.
Mcnabb was a poor trade, from the start, now its time to move on. Keeping Cambel would have saved 3 draft picks. I do think Shanahan's have a formula to win with the right pieces in place.. But Lavar is right, Shanana has handle this season poorly.

Posted by: unknownsouljah | December 27, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you, the editors of the Washington Post for allowing a bum like LaVar Arrington to make ANY kind of comment in your paper.

All he knows about football is that he thought he was a much better player than really was. A whiner whose career ended badly in DC.

LaVar, go comment in the Penn State newspaper. Maybe someone who reads that paper actually cares!!!

Posted by: pdrinc | December 27, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you, the editors of the Washington Post for allowing a bum like LaVar Arrington to make ANY kind of comment in your paper.

All he knows about footbal is the he thought he was a much better player than really was. A whiner whose career ended badly in DC.

LaVar, go comment in the Penn State newspaper. Maybe someone who read that paper actually cares!!!

Posted by: pdrinc | December 27, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

in reading most of the post most people have used this as an opportunity to take a shot at Lavar and B-mitch (who knows how he got into the discussion

The fact remains this is well written article with a unique point of view.

Shananhan carrier was made because one man and it wasn't John "over the Hill" Elway.

People seem to forget Terrel "unstoppable" Davis

Posted by: scootab22 | December 27, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Think about it: If Mike Shanahan were treated and judged the same way as his franchise quarterback has been, he would have been benched for a backup coach."

Lol, I sure hope you don't really think this?

That's like saying if you were in the military Lavar, you would have been dishonorably discharged because you never listed to your coaches when you played football.

As someone said above, the coaches DO NOT answer to the players.

Stop crying. I can't believe I cheered for you when you were a Redskin. Wish I could take all of that back now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 27, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter if Grossman plays better than McNabb or not, that is not the issue. Grossman is a perennial back-up border line scrub, but so what? The point is, they gave up picks for a guy they just tossed into the Potomac. Another stupid move based upon their failed philosophy of trying to win overnight as opposed to building a top flight winning organization. They could have played Grossman all year and used the McNabb's picks for other talent. Those who attack McNabb or even attack Grossman miss the point: it is Snyder's dumb philosophy of winning the profit game as opposed to the game fans care about: on the field. This was his masterpiece too because people thought things had changed. Who are we bringing in next year to be QB which is the puzzle that remains now nearly 20 years after Mark Rypien, and nearly 25 years after Doug Williams. We need a real QB. and a real owner too.

Posted by: isometruman1 | December 27, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I heard on the TV yesterday that no head coach who has won a super bowl has moved on to another team and repeated as a super bowl winner.

What are the odds that Shanahan can break the mold and win another super bowl as the coach of the Shredskins? Don't hold your breath, folks.

Posted by: JohnRDC | December 27, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Lavar, you would have gone insane had you been around the George Allen Billy/Sonny dance that went on for 3 years. Maybe you would have pissed your diapers had you seen Saint Joe bench Jay for Doug. Or worse...oh my....bench Doug for Mark. Oh the humanity. Get a grip Lavar. Deep breath, dude.

Posted by: rdondero123 | December 27, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan is a part of the team in the same way that a teacher is a part of the classroom, or that the President is also a citizen of the United States.

Someone needs to be in charge LaVar. There are a million metaphores that one could use. If I'm teaching my 4 year old daughter to stay between the lines while coloring but she keeps coloring outside the lines, is it really my fault as much as it is her's? Am I just a part of the family too, as her father, so when she colors outside the lines I should take responsibility?

I don't even know what to think of this dude. I'm done reading his crap, that's for sure. I'm a Denver fan, but follow Shanahan and enjoy the Washington Post because the writers are so much better...well, most of them are.

Posted by: millertime3852 | December 27, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why some many folks make this about McNabb and only McNabb

McNabb didn't evaluate himself and determine that his abilities, to include his shortcomings were what the franchise needed in a QB (Remember, Shanahan had a whole year where he was "evaluating" all of the talent in the NFL, and he brought McNabb in, so the assumption is that he knew what he was doing)

McNabb didn't hire himself and bring himself to DC

McNabb did not give the Eagles a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th round draft pick

McNabb didn't put himself first on the depth chart as a starter

When will fans hold the Redskins organization accountable for this debacle?

Posted by: dabwilldo40 | December 27, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

It is funny reading about Mc5 accuratecy and Rex was about 55% first game and 48% the second game. Don't those percentages point to being inaccurate.

Posted by: edavis291 | December 27, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Throws a nice long ball; never has been able to throw anything short--time to move on.

Posted by: Justlistening | December 27, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

It's not about an individual player it is about a system and MacNaab does not fit the system. This is not charity football. If McNaab wants to play on basis of past performances then he should quit NFL and work for USAID.

Posted by: DesiHungama | December 27, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I hate to inject politics into this cconvo but the Shanahan defenders are like Palin defenders. Shanny could take a dump in his pants while standing next to one of them and they would say it smells like roses.
So DESPERATE for a big name HC, they can't help but priase him when he's wrong.
The question I would like to ask is, how everyone felt about the leaks and media BS from last year? And, why would anyone who couldn't stand that unprofessional behavior back Shanahan?
LA is right.
All the weak LA haters should stop acting like retards. If you don't like the man or don't like what he writes, don't read the articles. Instead they act like a bunch of bytches and clog up the comment section with their incessant whining about his past.


I bet if Shanny were to bench Cooley this would be a different story.

Posted by: priceisright | December 27, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

bselby12, I never said you couldn't. The problem is that you have people, who contend that LaVar can't be critical of Shanahan because he's a 2 time SB winning coach. I appologize if I lumped you into that group if that is not your position. But attacking his intelligence simply because you disagree with him, I can't get behind that. Are the Skins in need of some discipline? Absolutely. What they don't need is a coach on a power trip. What they don't need is a coach who has handled the personnel as poorly as he has. If you can't admit that Shanny hasn't handled his decisions with this team all that well, then there is no point in arguing with you.

Posted by: Rahwaj | December 27, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

This is a ridiculous article, McNabb was suppose to win with his talent. With a team of no talents what was Shanny suppose to win with?
He won 2 more games than last year's horrible team with less talent - an old team got older.

Posted by: edeshields | December 27, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

CAN ANYONE SAY OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!! Why even draft a QB until we get an OFFENSIVE LINE. AGIS1 had a good point, PUT BRADY, RODGERS, P. MANNING, or any of the other premiere QBs in the league (save Michael Vick maybe) and they will be very ordinary. The Redskins need to try and pick the best 3 OL in the draft when there time comes regardless what potential superstar may be there. We need a very large 6'5 6'6 340+ center. Lavar may have missed on some points but I think he has a point. The nepotism is hindering the building of the the team and blood will always be thicker. Did anyone see the Ravens Post-game "123-TEAM".

Posted by: washdc11 | December 27, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Yahoo! Now that Denver has come to its senses and cut McDaniels maybe they will get another chance at a winning coach in Shannahan. We miss you!!! Come on back!!!

Posted by: prizmgraphic | December 27, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy. Lavar and BMitch still eating
those sour grapes and producing sour wining.

Let it go Lavar and BMitch.....

Do your careers a favor by letting it go instead of being the same old sour grapes sound bite week after week.

Move on for Pete's Sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: soc22210 | December 27, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The QBs on the Redskins are not the problem nor the solution. The absence of talent is the problem.
To talk about a group of QBs that were brought in to fill up seats until the team can, if it ever can in the Snyder era, build a talented team is not a mentally challenging exercise.

Posted by: edeshields | December 27, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

LaVar,
You nailed my views on the double standard practiced by Coach Shanahan. The practice ultimately will bring him low.

Posted by: royhobbs56 | December 27, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Green Bay replaces an experienced QB with a younger guy with no controversy. Redskins do the same thing and all h*** breaks loose. The difference? Green Bay QB'S were both white. I wish Donovan were white. Then this would not be an issue. He was a great QB at one time who has clearly lost several steps. Just ask Andy Reid.

Posted by: sportsfan2 | December 27, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I’m brave enough to address the elephant in the room. At times this Metropolitan area seems like a melting pot however the view of sports figures mix like oil and water. Most Black fans will side with McNabb, most White fans will side with Shanahan. Most black fans are embarrassed to have Rex Grossmen, most White fans are saying give him a chance. It does not stop with the Redskins. Most Black fans are happy for Vick, most White fans want to see his head knocked off. Most Black fans won’t mind giving Plexico Burress a look; most white fans do not want him near the team. Most Black fans thought Laver Arrington was a great player, most White fans thought he was undisciplined. It seems as though most Black fans make judgment off of emotion and what they see. Most White fans like or dislike whomever the media them to (Barry Bonds, Floyd Mayweather, Terrell Owens, Labron James, Tiger Woods).

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 27, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is why does Shanahan get excuses made for him about how bad the team is (and it is bad), which is only fair, but the same excuse can't be used for McNabb. And for all of you bashers out there about Brady and Manning, if you watched the Ravens/Patriots playoff game last year where the Patriots' oline was banged up, Brady had his worst game ever as a pro. Sure McNabb has his faults, but everyone knows it. Not maximizing his abilities is where the coaches blew it, and that's why they'll finish 6-10.

Posted by: mjc12 | December 27, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

McNabb was benched because the grounds keeper was complaining about his worm burner, scorched earth style of skipping passes five yards in front of his receivers. He was ruining the turf.
OF COURSE he should have been benched, because you're only as good as your game. Enough already with the "respect" bull.

Posted by: pooftah2 | December 27, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Ve1ostrummer: "I'm sure LaVar thinks Andy Reid is an idiot for losing patience with McNabb. Well, Reid is in a position to get his team into the playoffs, and McNabb was flat out ineffective this season."

Are you serious? Reid gave up patience after already having 10 years of success with him. Reid is lucky McNabb brought Vick in or they wouldn't even sniff the playoffs

I'm actually not surprised by the comments. People's hatred for McNabb is so deep that they don't want to see nothing else. Well, what will happen when we don't have McNabb to blame anymore? Shanahan said that Grossman played "Extremely Well" before the interception. Lol...really??? Do you all not see the double standards and poor management by our coaching staff? The favoritism? The "I know everything" mentality?? I pity some of my fellow fans..

Posted by: smooth700 | December 27, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

It's clear that constant change in the franchise solves nothing. Is Shanahan a bumbling idiot? I think not. He is a very competitant coach w/ a supporting track record. Another major coaching change won't fix the Redskins woes. I say... Let Shanahan/Allen run the show for 5 years & let it play out.

I disagree w/ your position, coaches ARE different then players, period. This McNabb disrepecting thing has been blown outta proportion. Could it have been handled better? Absolutely. But a football team is NOT a democracy, the coach is a dictator, he rules. And players earn respect based on performance. As a QB, McNabb was ranked #25. Yes there were dropped balls & he wasn't the only guy on the field making mistakes. But, he wasn't lighting it up, either. I wish Shanahan just said: "Change @ QB was coaches decision, that's all I'm gonna say".

Am I happy about the wasted draft pics? No. If it were me, I would've...

Drafted to fix the root cause of their problems (O/D Lines)

Kept Jason Campbell (his perf in OAK proves he's pretty good)

Run a Campbell/Grossman competition

Draft a franchise QB down the road, teams can win w/ a good QB (ref: Rypien, Dilfer)

...but that's just me. Culture change takes time. Let it play out.

Posted by: wp264 | December 27, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Respectfully disagree LaVar. The head clown (Shanahan to be precise just in case someone mistakes the term for Snyder) does not have a double standard. The neanderthal has only one standard - "do unto others before they do unto you". He is not a coach who builds trust and commands respect. He's an insecure bully who blames players for anything that goes wrong. It's a shame that we now have lifelong fans of the Redskins rooting for the other team.

Posted by: v6this | December 27, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Whoever tried to compare McNabb to P. Manning and Brady should put down the crack pipe. Brady hasn't thrown an interception in 10 games. Peyton Manning throws lasers right on the money and always seems to make the correct read. They're 2 of the greatest quarterbacks who ever lived. McNabb was a good to very good quarterback in his prime. He's done, but Grossman certainly isn't any kind of a savior.

Some posters need to separate themselves from their racially charged points of view and show just a little bit of common sense.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 27, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Umm Obamasux, it's funny you say you don't want to inject race into it...but you did. I have a better question for you...would you ask someone if they're defending a player because that player is black if that player wasn't black??

In other words, it seems to be the norm to see a black athlete and say he's only loved or defended because of race...as if non-black players aren't defended and loved. I see people defend Carson Palmer all the time and no one brings race into it..though I'm sure if he was black someone would

McNabb isn't loved or defended simply because he's black. No one cares about David Garrard or even Daunte Culpepper in his day. People stand behind McNabb for whatever reason because he's one of the most accomplished Qbs of the past decade and he's kept his nose clean. That is not a debatable fact unless you have an irrational hatred for McNabb like some people

Posted by: smooth700 | December 27, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

LaVar is an idiot.

Posted by: thorhero | December 27, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Snyder: Keep McNabb and drop both Shanahan coaches...warn the defensive coach to do better. McNabb will throw interceptions under pressure...the defensive linemen need to do much better to protect the quarterback. McNabb is being made the goat. (Singleterry is available)

Posted by: Sandman521 | December 27, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I have reached a point where I simply must stop reading Arrington's continuous spewing of football nonsense. I think the guy is clueless about what is and is not good coaching. And I certainly think he is clueless about the Redskins. This guys needs to be terminated by the Post, not because he is controversial but because he writes so many stupid things.

That being said, I do think Shanahan has made two blunders this year: First, the trade for McNabb was disastrous. McNabb's mediocre performance has demonstrated that he was not worth the two high draft choices that we paid for him and that he is not worth the expensive contract to which he has been signed. He is not going to get better. He should be traded before next year's training camp for whatever we can get for him.

Second, Shanahan should have traded Haynesworth right off the bat and avoided all of the ridiculous drama. The conditioning test at the beginning of training camp was juvenile and accomplished nothing.

But it's time now to move on and begin serious rebuilding. I have no doubt that Shanahan can get the job done.

And it's time for the Post to bring Arrington's career as a football analyst to conclusion.

Posted by: tigana99 | December 27, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

ONE year, one year, McNabb had a serious downfield receiver in Philly and they went to the Super Bowl with a healthy Westbook. The guy's not perfect, but please show me what Shanny and family have done post Elway.

Posted by: trawler | December 27, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

You know what.. I said it when they got rid of Campbell (Who had his best statistical year with the skins but it was not good enough)... I said Campbell would help the raiders and be more successfull... in which he is.... mark this down... McNabb will leave the skins, go to the Vikings and or the Cardinals and will be in the playoffs next year!!!!! Skins... Another rebuilding year! Was he good this year, not really but Shanny said it takes 2-3 years to feel comfortable in this offense... he got 13 games. Shanny is not good handling the media, players etc... he is a coach and it should stay that way. He already mishandled tw otrades that are going to cost us 2-4th rounds(McNabb and Brown) picks... the only way to get players is via Free Agency and you know what we do then... overpay for aging vets looking for that payday. The way he has handled the Big Al and McNabb situations will detract or make free agents think twice before they want to come here (Hence why we will over pay!!!)

Posted by: rvanags | December 27, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Uhh...Sportsfan2...Aaron Rodgers was injured. I mean really are some of you this mentally challenged?? Wow

Posted by: smooth700 | December 27, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't Lavar be writing for the New York Giants? You played like an idiot, bad mouthed coach Gibbs, and the organization when you left. When the Giants got wise, you came crawling back to DC like nothing happened. Now the Post is allowing you to take more unfounded cheap shots against The Redskins.
The Redskins do deserve criticism for drafting players like you over the years.
You and that other malcontent Brian Mitchell should just be grateful for still being able to make a living off the Washington Redskins. At least Mitchell accomplished a few things before he left us, bad mouthed us, and came crawling back to DC from his new favorite team the Philadelphia Eagles.
You, and Mitchell are so predictable taking the side of McNabb, and his agent over the organization.
Could race also have something to do with this stance? Just asking a legitimate question,you two are just a little too predictable.

Posted by: tcaitken | December 27, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

LaVar is such a loser! This guy has no clue how to run an organization. What a waste of Oxygen LaVar is.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 27, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

McNabb not good.
Shanahan good.
Arrington mad. Me no like Arrington.

Posted by: kls1 | December 27, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan has a losing record, 30-33 in his last 63 games, didn't win a playoof game his last 7 years and is awful at player evaluation. Remember he cut Ryan Torain, Brandon Banks, Keiland Williams and Rob Jackson.

His son, has never, EVER been on a team with a winning record.

Jim Haslett has been fired NINE times.

Despite having these losing OUTSIDERS running our team I will give them another year before I call for them to be fired. Give them a pass this year. Their grade is obviously an "F". They could easily be 0-16.

If the same story repeats itself next season, and I fear it will based on recent performance of the Shanahan's, change will be necessary.

Don't look at the byline of this story. The writer is not relevant. The message is what is key.

Posted by: jmueller7 | December 27, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

After reading this upsurd article I had to give my two cents. The coach is above the players. McNabb played like crap the whole year. The town went into a frenzy not because McNabb was benched but the way it was handled. Shanny thought he had proven winner but along the way he found out he was wrong. I actually respect the fact that he admitted his mistake. Gibbs part 2 traded picks for Brunnel and kept riding him til the fans had enough. Do you Lavar want to see that happen with this new regime? Please wait 2-3 years before writing hate blogs about the coach!

Posted by: Redskin4Life1 | December 27, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what type of career numbers McNabb would have if he were in a division that played Texans, Titans, Bills, Dolphins, Jaguars, and Jets twice a year (Like Manning and Brady). People say the NFC East is the toughest Division. McNabb has proved supreme in this Division for years, yet people act like he is a slouch. I’m at the point where I don’t judge a players talent from their experience with the Redskins (Brandon Lloyd, Jayson Taylor and Campbell).

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 27, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Give it a rest, PUHlease. How many games did he start? What, you want him to be given three years? And of course, you'll advocate that Grossman be given time. Right, right. duplicitous, dude.

Posted by: medogsbstfrnd | December 27, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I actually agree with some of what Lavar was stating. It does seem to me that Shanahan tends to put all of the illness on the players. If Shanahan was fair, he would have benched Haslett a long time ago! You can't go lower than Last Place in Defense! And he should take responsibility for going 100% with the 3-4 defense instead of adopting some principles and gradually working it into the defensive scheme. I also still haven't heard Shanahan take responsibility for this dismal year. Don't good leaders take responsibility! Can we go with Beck now, after proving Rex's game against Dallas was fluke!

Posted by: HelplessinDC | December 27, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

yes, tigana99. I heard Lavar on the radio the early day and came to the conclusion (again) that he is not very bright. Riggins will spout some sh** to get attention but at least he is intelligent.

The other day someone called in to the radio show to talk football strategy and Lavar clearly did not know what he was talking about. It had nothing to do with pontificating on a subjective opinion. He was clueless. He did not know football and spent 10 minutes talking some bullsh**. Sort of like when Al Walker tried to say Santana Moss was in the top 10 of the receivers in the league and Zabe challenged him and he struggled to name 6 whom SM was better than. Someone called in and said Al had, "drunk the Redskin's koolaid", and Al said, "you're an idiot". Al was caught off guard and was too insecure to argue his point cogently.


tigana99 said:

" I have reached a point where I simply must stop reading Arrington's continuous spewing of football nonsense. I think the guy is clueless about what is and is not good coaching. And I certainly think he is clueless about the Redskins. This guys needs to be terminated by the Post, not because he is controversial but because he writes so many stupid things."

Posted by: jackson641 | December 27, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

washdc11, you are on point! What's the use of analyzing quarterbacks when the offensive line is just that: OFFENSIVE!

Posted by: Supporter51 | December 27, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Lavar protecting one his is boyz

Posted by: bal503 | December 27, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Lavar backing one of his boyz

Posted by: bal503 | December 27, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like La Var should be benched by the Post.

Posted by: rom1013 | December 27, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is no different than any other player on this roster. The quarterback should be held accountable for poor play, just as any other player. Shanahan hasn't "thrown people under the bus" as you so foolishly suggest. He benched McNabb as soon as they were out of playoff contention. Why NOT use the rest of the season to evaluate other players?


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There seem to be a lot of Lavar Arrington bashers here today so all Im gonna do is say one thing you all should think about.

The 'evaluating other quarterbacks' talk sounds like an authentic lame excuse because WHAT COULD THERE POSSIBLY BE TO EVALUATE ABOUT REX GROSSMAN AND JOHN BECK?

These are not first year draft picks; both these guys have been in the league for a while.

And with the exception of that fluke Superbowl appearance in 2006 (Grossman) both of them have been substandard quarterbacks. Does Shanahan stay locked in a basement?

Posted by: pressha | December 27, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Shantheman is the boss. Everybody has had a boss like Shantheman. He won't be happy until he finds the next Elway. Unfortunately he won't live that long. Donovan's not getting it done for the 'skins. I suspect we will see many more new faces next year.

Posted by: 21stCenturyCaveman | December 27, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

To my "Armchair GM's"...

Why the hate for Rex Grossman? Rex is not the long term solution, but it seems like he can manage the offense better than McNabb...

Most are looking for a QB with a "sexy (no pun intendent) name. If Rex can put points on the board and give us wins, then why not him?

Posted by: rickyroge | December 27, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

The person that needs the most to have patience is the person that hired Shanahan in the first place, wanting to win now instead of rebuilding. Rebuilding doesn't just involve getting younger players, it also involves hiring a GM that will make competent football decisions and a head coach that will fall in line. That's what we had here when we won our three rings. What kind of fan was Dan Snyder at 17? Was he even paying attention? How can you claim to be a fan of a team and don't know what's going on with it more than how many times it reaches the end zone, but wants to not only become owner, but a hands-on owner? YOU created this, Mr. Snyder. Stop listening to the media tell you who to hire; stop listening to the fans tell you to hire a GM. While that's what should've been done in the first place, don't just hire any GM, hire one that's going to make competent decisions about players and coaches. This head coach having the final say over the GM is for the birds. The GM in place now was fired or resigned from two other teams. And our head coach has an ego of a coach who won two rings with a roster built halfway with another coach in his stead, when those players left, you were ordinary. Seems to me you're out to prove your winning of those Super Bowls weren't a fluke. I think this organization won't go anywhere until we get a GM that's currently an assistant GM at a perennial power (Bmore, Pittsburgh, NE, NY (both), and, for real, Atlanta); or Mark Murphy from Green Bay, who is building that team just like the team he played on that went to two Super Bowls, winning one (SB 17)as a safety (#29). Also hire a head coach that's at or under 50 years of age (the younger the better) that hasn't had any head coaching experience, but has been in the league long enough to take on head coaching experience. Every coach Dan has hired has been 55 or over. These dudes can't relate to the players. One guy I wouldn't mind taking over is Russ Grimm. While he's around 50, he would have a committment to this team longer that the 3-5 years Shanahan may be here (especially since his heart is still pumping burgundy and gold) then we'll be starting over anyway. you want to change culture? Change the way your front office operates. That's the REAL issue. Until that happens, and until we hire a true GM (sorry, but Bruce hasn't proven he's it) and a head coach that would show a committment beyond 5 years; until Dan stops being lazy and do some research in hiring a head coach and GM, we'll be in the same mess...

Posted by: apendy80 | December 27, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I assume most of the bloggers on here are Redskin fans. We all wanted Snyder to hire a GM. He has finally done that. Now we need to give them at least three years. They have gotten off to a rocky start, but we have to give them time. Patience!!!!!!!!!!! Vinny Cerato left the cupboard bare. Joe Gibbs started 0-5

Posted by: sportsfan2 | December 27, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

McNabb was a good QB in his day he was just never able to bring his game up to an elite level. Grossman is not the answer for the future but I don't see the sense in bringing McNabb back next year and paying him 10 mil when he's obviously not the answer either. Make do with Grossman until we get our guy. Shanahan inherited a pile a crap from Vinny and Danny. It's going to take a few years to straighten the mess out. Give the man a chance. Shanahan picked Cutler who's looking awesome so lets see who he can get for the Skins.

Posted by: CadillacJack | December 27, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Yet another senseless and very wrong article from LaVar....first, he sides with Haynesworth, now this....what an idiot...I'm done with it

Posted by: rot8tor_man | December 27, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

The reason that Manning and Brady would do better in this system is because they are white and McNabb is black. Isn't that what we are going to be accused of next, Lavar? Give me a break, you cry baby! Maybe if you would have had a team first mentality when you played people would actually respect what you have to say. Now they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire!

Posted by: sjakemuzik | December 27, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, get tired of the same old tone from Lavar. He seems to just knock the coaches and take the players side. There are certainly instances where that position would be accurate, but he just seems to instinctively take that position no matter the situation. He really sounds like a malcontent with an axe to grind. That's why I skip a lot of his columns.

Posted by: ctskins1 | December 27, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The saga will continue if the Redskins don't release McNabb. Shanahan has the right to make personnel changes even if we think it is wrong. He's the coach, we're not. Donovan WILL have success with his new team next season, perhaps as a backup, but he will start before the 18th game rolls around. He's a Hall of Famer based on his career stats alone, but would like that championship ring. We're the chumps because for the moment we're stuck with a 30 yr old journeyman QB who is just too short and too immobile to play at a high NFL level. Next year might be better, but McNabb will not be here so let's leave that argument. BTW LaVar is right on target with this article.

Posted by: bfjam | December 27, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan said it takes 3 years to learn the offence yet he gave McNabb 13 games. Graham Gano missed clutch field goals yet he plays out the season. Grossmen has a reputation as the joke of the league, yet Shanahan makes him the starter because he is Kyle’s BFF. It’s apparent that Shanahan has alzheimers because he forgot that these types of decision are why the fans turn on him in Denver. I guess the Broncos trash is Redskins treasure (trash).

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 27, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

LaVAR you are a JERK allthe way ,the only mistake the head coach made ,he kept McNABB in too long he should have benched him 6 games ago here hoping the POST bench you for good

Posted by: wingmd | December 27, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

This just in:
"Bring your son to work" is now
"Give the kid a shot!"

Son, you'd make a great coach. Just like me.

Posted by: stillAfan1 | December 27, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Lavar asks:

So why, in Shanahan's case, do we attribute this season's problems to the growing pains of rebuilding a struggling franchise, but not in McNabb's?

Because he's the coach. That's why. Something Lavar had a difficult time understanding when he was a player.

Posted by: dc1020008 | December 27, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with some of Lavar's comments. I believe Shanahan is at least 16 games late in evaluating his players. I wonder how he arrived at which players to keep for his final roster. He and the coordinators should have evaluated players and known what they had in each player they kept for the final roster. They should have evaluated McNabb for suitability to run their system prior giving up those draft picks. They should traded or released Haynesworth when he told them he couldn't play the 3-4 defense. They should have modified their respective schemes to the strenght of the players on hand while they over time brought in the players suited to their their schemes. AND, they shouldn't blame players for their failures in giving the team a scheme more suited to their strenghts. Turning a top ten defense into what it is today was not fault of any one or two players, but result of poor egotistic coaching. On the offensive line, Williams was a very solid right tackle in college and the right tackle was a probowl left tackle but our brilliant coaches decided switch them to opposite sides definately playing away from their strenghts. But alas, this is best because the coaches said you can and will very well at the position I put you at because I am the coach and say you will. The coaching staff should stand up and admit they made a big error in how they handled this team. I think that after this weekend they wil be pointing the finger at other players blaming them for the dismal showing this season.

Posted by: rabanathey | December 27, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

"If a coach wishes to build a team, he must first understand that he is a part of it. A coach who thinks he is bigger than the team will find it very difficult to build a winner." MEMO TO LAVAR - The coach IS bigger than the players (i.e. "team). He carries the burden of the whole franchise on his head, and can be fired on a dime. Not so with spoiled position players who don't listen to a coach who TRIES TO BUILD A TEAM. Ever hear of Gregg Williams, Lavar?

Posted by: dfoster1 | December 27, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

OK. All of you who are complaining that McNabb is inaccurate and throws ball in the dirt and all the other crap. I do not disagree with you. My questions to you are: who brought McNabb here? Who decided to give up draft choices for him? Who heralded him at the beginning of the season as a seasoned and accomplished QB? Who decided to sign him to a contract with bonuses? The answer to all these questions is Mike Shanahan.

To me, if you make all these decisions about one important position in your organization and after six weeks, that decision to all intents and purposes becomes suspect; then you do not deserve to be the hiring manager. That is a total lack of judgement. I mean Shanahan is being paid how much to deliver this hubris: $7 million/year. Only Dan Snyder will throw money away like that. A leader ought to be able to make the right decisions most of the time. Remember, Shanahan also brought in Larry Johnson, Willie Parker, Joey Galloway et al. All these were supposed to take the Redskins to the playoffs this year? Are they still on the team? No.

Again, did Donovan McNabb bastardize the defensive unit that has over the years always been the achieving corps with the 3-4 system? Again, Shanahan did that in order to give himself some satisfaction that is only best known to him. Overall, he decided to bring his own son to be the offensive coordinator, thereby instituting nepotism in the process. Apparrently, his son also has an over inflated ego of himself. Under normal circumstances, Kyle Shanahan should not have been hired. In many decent organizations, that is what is called conflict of interest. The rationale behind such a decision in those decent organizations is to allow for atmosphere of fluid and unhindered decisions. But again, since Danny Boy bought the organization over ten years ago, nothing has been normal around Ashburn Park.

Redskins is yet to find the right coach for this organization. What you have is a man who thinks that he is a drill sergent (except that he is well overpaid) and thinks that the way to achieve success is by making examples of players to hide his own inadequacies. Psychologists call that defense mechanism!

Posted by: midas20874 | December 27, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

let's get this straight so-called whites who are either too stupid or just plain liars(probably both) elway was on his last leg when he finally got his superbowl rings, he was routinely DESTROYED in his previous trips their, shamm-o-KLAN the DIC-tater(or maybe a personnel person)lucked out on drafting terell davis(who fell in the draft because of injury)and the rest was history, davis was the most important element of the broncos winning 2 superbowls with-out him they don't even make the play-offs. elway almost lost the 1st superbowl denver won with his choking sub-par play. elway and shamm-o-KLAN both are overrated only because they are so-called white.. but that is the american way right??

Posted by: wathu19 | December 27, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The other thing people forget to mention is that like Gilbert Arenas, Donovan McNabb is getting paid FRANCHISE MONEY. If he were just getting 5 million a year, we could tolerate numbers like 10 touchdowns and 11 interceptions and a scoring average of 16 points a game but after 13 games it would be nice to see if the QB making 10 times less money (Grossman) can do s good or better a job as the 15 million guy who is just playing "alright". If so, then lets trade McNabb to Minnesota or Arizona for one of our draft picks and let Grossman do his thing for a fraction of the cost and then we can still draft and develop someone like Cam Newton so like Gilbert, by Donovan. We don't need 5-11 and a 16 point average for 15 million a year.

Posted by: PAULBOND0077 | December 27, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

All these prima donnas who would be washing cars for a living or mugging someone in an alley should just accept that the coach is the boss and quit bit##ing about it. The man is the boss, that is it. Get over it. Fat Al was a loser and so is McNabb. The boss did the right thing, he gave McNabb way too much time to learn the system, McNabb failed to learn the system so he should be and was benched. Come on you thugs who play this game, get over it, listen to the guys with the brains and follow the system or go back to the streets and do whatever comes natural.

Posted by: rayherron | December 27, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

JSchon wrote:
None of this would be an issue if...

A. McNabb would have been a professional and learned the playbook he got in April.
B. Took the advice of a former QB's coach and 3 time Superbowl ring recipient in M.S. and worked on his footwork to fix his overthrowing and underthrowing issue.
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It's been a long time since Mike Shanahan played quarterback, and if I remember correctly, Kyle Shanahan never did. McNabb, on the other hand, is a six-time Pro Bowl quarterback. That suggests pretty strongly that his footwork is okay.

I'm just guessing here but I think the same sort of micro-coaching probably extended to the offensive line. Guys who were brought in because their technique had impressed scouts suddenly needed to change that technique. Feet and ankles got tangled along the line and people got hurt. Not to mention that the play calling did very little to keep the defense off McNabb.

Not enough to convince you? Neither McNabb's benching or Haynesworth's release had to become a soap opera, but that's how the Shanahans chose to do it. As a result, I suspect every player in the Redskins locker room is thinking "If they treated McNabb like that, how are they going to treat me?" We can't get good free agents with that atmosphere.

Shanahan and his kid need to leave town. Mike Singletary is available.

Posted by: amstphd | December 27, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

LaVar you're wrong of course, this is why you're not in coaching I guess. just because you played a few years Shanahan will make us a winner despite your moronic noise.

I guess this is why coaches like Shanny get the big bux, they have endure the abject idiocy of village geniuses like mr ex linebacker with a chip here.

Posted by: greatteamdan | December 27, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Well said Lavar! fans don't want to hear the truth about thier so-called heros. Shanny has to learn how to treat people like people first. The Redskins won't win until they get better managers. You might win a personal battle every now and then, but in the big skeem of things he's losig bigtime. No one respects a bully, they need to ship his pink a55 out of town and his cowardly a55 son. This was going to happen no matter who the QB was. Anyone who believs that Rex needs any kind of evaluation should get one themselves!

Posted by: gwest1 | December 27, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Amazing--do not totally agree w/ LaVar--however,as I have previously said--begins w/ the COACH!! A no brainer--he was 'lost' before Synder did his usual--and he picked McNab (who was basically done) for two major draft picks! Grossman never was--has been--so, people wake up! It's going to be a long haul and the Shanahan team is not the solution!

Posted by: neuron1952 | December 27, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Moreover, Mike Shanahan should be at home with Albert Haynesworth, suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. Benching McNabb wasn't in the best interest of the team; it was in the best interest of the Mike and Kyle. They're out to prove something. It's not only a double standard, it’s double talk as well.

These coaching moves just don’t look like a guy in it for the long haul. Mike Shanahan seems hell-bent on making sure Kyle is the next young head coaching candidate in the league, the next hot coaching prospect. I mean benching McNabb for Grossman at Detroit for a two minute drive.

I'm not debating McNabb -vs- Grossman, it's irrelevant right now. With three games left in the season there was nothing to gain and everything to loose with this ill-advised coaching move. To make Kyle look good. Not only has Shanahan divided the locker room, he’s also managed to divide the fan base. I'm a lifelong Skins fan, and right now stuff isn’t adding up. It would've been in the best interest of the redskins to continue with McNabb, as Mr. Arrington has detailed here.

Posted by: deshackleford | December 27, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Just maybe Andy Reid was right about Donovan and Mike is just confirming it.

Posted by: cwhiteco | December 27, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

All the comments @ Lavar make no sense, he is giving his opinion, if you don't agree with him fine, but his NFL record is not the issue , the Redskin record is the issue

"THE" Shanahans have no idea about team leadership, leaders do not handle the benching of a respected player this way PERIOD !

They have every right to "coach" the team and choose who plays , but GOOD leaders consider how their decisions & actions affect the rest of the team, and that is somehow the culture that the orginization cannot seem to learn about , or escape from being so dysfunctional

McNabb is not the best QB ever, but he is a GOOD QB , and if "THE" Shannys cared about a good team chemistry, they could have handled much differently ,but just look at the childish way Haynesworth was handled, he should have been cut in July
so much drama , all because a coach that is an egomaniac control freak wanted to humiliate a malcontent, they both acted like babies

I have been a fan for all my life, I just hope I live long enough to see a return to the teams of the Gibbs era , if that is ever possible ? Sadly Snyder is the owner who does not seem to be able to hire professionals at both GM & Head Coach, now instead of Vinnie we have Shanny and his record is the coaching equivalent of McNabb's , with the temper of Haynesworth's ??

Happy New Year to ALL

Posted by: taxiteam | December 27, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what the comments will be next year when McNabb is throwing passes and scoring touchdowns against the skins? And Shanahan is leading the skins to another losing season?

Guess it will be Rex's fault..........

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Posted by: sdgashasdg | December 27, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

There is no reason to give McNabb more time because it became clear quickly that he couldn't learn or run the offence.Time to move on. Lavar never seems to get it and I can't believe the post gives him a voice.There seems to be several local media members that seem to paint racist tones with their articles. I am sure you have an idea.

Posted by: cbushea55 | December 27, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

It appeared to me that McNabb's performance deteriorated when he started getting less time in the pocket and more sacks/hurries. Also I think his and the team's performance dropped after he was taken out during the midseason game during the last 2 minutes. It may be true McNabb is not as mobile as he was in his early years, but the Skins knew that going in.

Posted by: sta363 | December 27, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

This is the same loser who called Joe Gibbs a coward people. Hes a broke down never was Linebacker who freelanced and couldnt make it under Gibbs. I barely ever read his BS and when I do its obv Im pissed I will never get those moments of my life back. Lavar go write for Dallas DC HATES YOU!!!!!!

Posted by: HTTRS98 | December 27, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand the flame-style comments attacking Lavar for what I think is a legitimate point. I agree that McNabb has not proven to be effective in Shanahan's system. But why is it a given that Shanahan's system itself is effective? Shouldn't both the player and the coach be subject to evaluation.

Given Shanahan's post-Elway coaching record, I believe he is given more credit than he deserves. His post-Elway record is as follows:

1999 (6-10, missed playoffs, started the season 0-4 after a last-minute quarterback change in the preseason).

2000 (11-5, made playoffs as fifth seed, lost Wild Card game to Baltimore, 21-3).

2001 (8-8, missed playoffs)

2002 (9-7, missed playoffs)

2003 (10-6, made playoffs as sixth seed, lost Wild Card game to Indianapolis, 41-10)

2004 (10-6, made playoffs as sixth seed, lost Wild Card game to Indianapolis, 49-24)

2005 (13-3, made playoffs as second seed, won THEIR FIRST AND ONLY PLAYOFF GAME SINCE ELWAY RETIRED, then lost the AFC Championship game, AT HOME, 34-17, to Pittsburgh).

2006 (9-7, missed playoffs)

2007 (7-9, missed playoffs)

2008 (8-8, missed playoffs)

2010 (6-9, missed playoffs)


Shanahan's Quarterbacks
1999 - Brian Griese, 75.6 Quarterback rating, 57.5% completion pct, 14 td, 14 int
2000 - Brian Griese, 102.9 Quarterback rating, 64.3% completion pct, 19 td, 4 int
2001 - Brian Griese, 78.5 Quarterback rating, 61.0% completion pct, 23 td, 19 int
2002 - Brian Griese, 85.6 Quarterback rating, 66.7% completion pct, 15 td, 15 int
2003 - Jake Plummer, 91.2 Quarterback rating, 62.6% completion pct, 15 td, 7 int
2004 - Jake Plummer, 84.5 Quarterback rating, 58.2% completion pct, 27 td, 20 int
2005 - Jake Plummer, 90.2 Quarterback rating, 60.7% completion pct, 18 td, 7 int
2006 - Jake Plummer, 68.8 Quarterback rating, 55.2% completion pct, 11 td, 13 int
2006 - Jay Cutler, 88.5 Quarterback rating, 59.1% completion pct, 9 td, 5 int
2007 - Jay Cutler, 88.1 Quarterback rating, 63.6% completion pct, 20 td, 14 int
2008 - Jay Cutler, 86.0 Quarterback rating, 62.3% completion pct, 25 td, 18 int
2010 - Donovan McNabb, 77.1 Quarterback rating, 58.3% completion pct, 14 td, 15 int


Who said that this guy was a whiz at working with Quarterbacks?

Why, Redskins nation, should all the blame be put on the QB and the coach, given his mediocre record over the past decade, be given a complete pass?

Shanahan's teams have not won a playoff game in five years. And prior to that, they hadn't won a playoff game since Elway retired. Not exactly something that doesn't deserve scrutiny, just as McNabb's declining production deserves scrutiny. Why doesn't the "system" itself get more inquiry by fans?

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 27, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Since the 2006 season, Shanahan's record is 30-33, including 24-24 for his last three seasons with the Broncos.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 27, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Peyton Manning struggled his first few years with the Colts. If Shanahan was the coach Manning would’ve been benched and we would’ve never known the player we know now. I saw Haynesworth come the camp lean and trim. Shanahan went out of his way to make a fool of him. He made him pass a test that 95% of NFL DT’s probably could not pass (fickle mind fans believed in Shanahan). He cut Devin Thomas, because he said he wasn’t focused enough to even play special teams (fickle mind fans believed in Shanahan). He cut Betts, Cartwright, Cult Brennan. These guy were cheap, solid, Washington Redskins that if anything could have been used for depth while we find quality players (fickle mind fans believed in Shanahan). McNabb has been defeating the Redskins and the NFC East for years, yet Shanahan tells us that he is neither smart nor in shape (fickle mind fans believed in Shanahan). How can you be a true Skins fan, yet you turn on the players just because a new coach that has not been relevant for years tell you to?

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 27, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what the comments will be next year when McNabb is throwing passes and scoring touchdowns against the skins? And Shanahan is leading the skins to another losing season?

Guess it will be Rex's fault..........

Posted by: LarryinMD
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You're about right Larry. There is a pattern here with the simple minded Redskins fans....For years it was Jason Campbell's fault the team sucked....So the new coach went out and got a 6 time pro bowl QB (Comming off a pro bowl and 11-5 season with the Eagles). Now it's his fault the Skins suck. Next year when we are still experiencing QB problems the simple minds will get to blaming the QB again. I'd also like to point out that while Jason Campbell isn't burning up the league with the Raiders this year he is having decent success for a QB the simple minds claims shouldn't even be a starting QB.

It's a good thing Vick signed with the Eagles after getting out of prison and not the Skins. With the Eagles, where the front office and coaches actually know what they're doing Vick was transformed into a passer. If he came here he would have been no where near the QB he is now and the simple minds would have been calling for a real QB not a running QB.

Posted by: 6thsense79 | December 27, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Lavar, I agree with your premise that no coach should be above the team and that coach/player relationships should be based on mutual respect. Accountability should go both ways, and both the coach and the franchise quarterback should be accountable. However, there is an inherent inequality of role -- players and coaches are not equal. The coach needs to be able to make the decision to bench a player, any player -- that's his role.

What many people like about the coach's philosophy is that, in theory, undrafted rookies such as Antonio Pierce get the same opportunity to compete for a starting position as high draft choices. If the coach decided that McNabb wasn't the right person and decided that a less heralded player deserved a chance, that needed to be the coach's decision. The coach's philosophy about who should get the opportunity to play, in theory, seems pretty sound.

I had no quarrel with the benching itself. What I didn't like was the way the benching and how Shanahan's evaluation of McNabb was communicated. Details of Shanahan's evaluation of McNabb should never have been leaked to the media and allowed to fester all season; plus, Shanahan created the perception of disrespect by dismissively suggesting that McNabb was not in shape after the Detroit game; each time Shanahan opened his mouth after the Detroit game, he seemed to be covering up something.

Sensitive personnel matters should be handled in private; any person being evaluated deserves a fair opportunity to respond to a negative evaluation directly in private. A sound process is inherently respectful; however, the process was neither sound nor respectful. The persistent leaking of evaluation information by "unnamed sources" was cowardly and tantamount to character assassination. Shanahan's evaluation of McNabb became a media circus, perhaps intentionally. Plus, the process didn't seem totally objective because of the prior relationship between the backup QB and the the Offensive Coordinator. Somebody poisoned the relationship between Shanahan and McNabb, perhaps intentionally.

Had Shanahan been more careful with the flow of information out of Ashburn, a lot of damage could have been avoided. Once the "cat was let out of the bag", the coach became the object of media scrutiny. Lavar, Coach Shanahan is being held accountable by powerful members of the media like yourself. The honeymoon is over.

The coach's core beliefs about how to evaluate talent and the benefits of competition seem pretty sound to me. I hope Shanahan can learn from the McNabb fiasco. He deserves more time.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | December 27, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Lavar: I think it was Coach's fault that you lost your business. It was Coach's fault that you did not pay your lowly paid employees a week before Christmas last yeatr. It was Coaches fault that you called your college acoach old and naive and it was coach's fault that we have a semi decent professional organization and the team is playing with passion and purpose evene they should have no mitvation to do so.

I would not be surprise if DM comes back as a starting QB next year. i would aslso would not be surprised if they the curent starting QB as a back up and get rid of back and get a 5 or 6th rounder from the draft .....Lavar, please stop you hatred against the skins.

Posted by: mazbar | December 27, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Reading these comments just proves that the Redskins have some of the stupidest fans in the entire league. First of all, you traded TWO draft picks to a divisional rival in the McNabb deal. McNabb was never going to lead this team to the playoffs.

The Redskins stink in ALL aspects, and McNabb was just window dressing. The ENTIRE roster needs to be revamped. The Redskins would have been better going after a young coach like Tomlin, Harbaugh, or even a Raheem Morris.

As for McNabb, I would argue that not even Jurgenson, Kilmer or Thiesmann would play well behind the Redskins horrific offensive line. Lavar was very insightful, but until this fanbase wakes up and stop getting suckered by Snyder, there will another 10 years of mediocrisy.

GO RAVENS, PLAYOFFS THREE STRAIGHT YEARS!!!

Posted by: artbee2000 | December 27, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Lavar, you are acting like a bitter, jackass. My prescription for you; listen to Marvin Gaye's song 'anger' --- 500 times. Then come up back and write your column,from a place of positive thoughts and perspectives. Until then, you sound pathetic. These readers deserve research and investigation, not some sort of 'woe is I' projected depression.

Posted by: friendofalobar | December 27, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

>>McNabb has accomplished more than enough as a professional quarterback to be given a fair opportunity to evaluate, assess, adapt and adjust to a new team -- the same courtesy that Mike Shanahan's reputation has earned him.
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exactly.

Also, why does McNabb get so much blame, when the defense also has mediocre stats?

Posted by: slydell | December 27, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse


"All these prima donnas who would be washing cars for a living or mugging someone in an alley should just accept that the coach is the boss and quit bit##ing about it. The man is the boss, that is it. Get over it. Fat Al was a loser and so is McNabb. The boss did the right thing, he gave McNabb way too much time to learn the system, McNabb failed to learn the system so he should be and was benched. Come on you thugs who play this game, get over it, listen to the guys with the brains and follow the system or go back to the streets and do whatever comes natural."

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You appear to be very ignorant about the game of football and human management. Consider Kurt Warner, by the time he left St Louis in 2003 due to injuries, his passer rating had dwindled to 72.9 from the peak of 101.4 in 2001 - the year he started all the 16 games and took the ball cub to a repeat of Super Bowl. When he joined the Cardinals in 2005, his passer rating progressively increased from 85.5 to 96.9 in 2008 - the first year he started all the 16 games and the year he took the Cards to the Super Bowl. His last year prior to retirement in 2009, he maintained a passer rating of 93.2.

Source: http://www.nfl.com/players/kurtwarner/profile?id=WAR492511

You see, it took a very successful QB in the "greatest show on the turf" under Mike Martz in St. Louis four good seasons to mature in a new system at Arizona. Ken Whisenhunt did not throw him under the bus less than 16 games as the erratic Shanny has done with McNabb - whom he brought in.

Shanny may be the boss for now. But we also know what often becomes of autocratic bosses who often live in the illusion of invincibility. They often get disgraced out of office. Mark my words, if Shanahan does not change his ways, this shall also be his lot.

Posted by: midas20874 | December 27, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

John Beake- GM Denver Broncos 1997

Posted by: priceisright | December 27, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

This article couldn't be any more off base than it is. I guess Lavar doesn't care what the real reasons are for benching McNabb.

McNabb was benched because he showed up out of shape, never got into playing shape, doesn't think he needs to practice hard and constantly argued with Shanahan about what kind of offense they should run. It's not just that he didn't produce this season.

Sorry Lavar, when a coach/team spends millions of dollars on a QB and he turns into a dog, he doesn't deserve the respect of the coach. Respect is something you earn, it's not automatically given because of what you did on another team.

In fact on the Eagles, there's rumors Andy Reid got rid of McNabb for some of the same reasons. Reid benched McNabb last year too. Reid also didn't feel any threat from McNabb playing in the same division. I think that says a lot about McNabb.

Some players play into their late thirties and still produce because of their work ethic and desire to win a championship. I guess McNabb is satisfied enough with his career that he doesn't care if he ever get's another shot at winning a Super Bowl. McNabb will go down in the NFL as a player who choked in all of his biggest games, especially in the fourth quarter of the SB when he couldn't even call the plays.

Posted by: Rudicris | December 27, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's look at the record:Rex Grossman's record. He's fumbled, thrown interceptions, and administered the coup de grace on two-count-em-two Washington losses(Detroit and Dallas). He's played no better than McNabb and arguably worse. That's two games Washington can't get back. Mike Shanahan is responsible for those two losses. How many more will he be responsible for? McNabb: good luck where you play next year.

Posted by: galesburger88 | December 27, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Let's look at the record:Rex Grossman's record. He's fumbled, thrown interceptions, and administered the coup de grace on two-count-em-two Washington losses(Detroit and Dallas). He's played no better than McNabb and arguably worse. That's two games Washington can't get back. Mike Shanahan is responsible for those two losses. How many more will he be responsible for? McNabb: good luck where you play next year.

Posted by: galesburger88 | December 27, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

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You're going to blame the Detroit loss on Grossman? After McNabb threw that unforgivable turnover into triple coverage to Armstrong? Anything you say is forfeit.

Posted by: JSchon | December 28, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

waaaa. why was Joe Gibbs mean to me....waaaa

Get over it Levar.

Posted by: cabraman | December 28, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Lavar, Sorry, since you joined WJFK radio and the WP, You lost my attention. It is how you make your money. Good luck with your old fan base. I am no longer listening.

Posted by: Budpratt1 | December 28, 2010 2:58 AM | Report abuse

I think it is fine to try Rex out, IF (and I'll give the coaches the benefit of the doubt) McNabb isn't sticking with the progressions or whatever.

But anyone who thinks that McNabb has been the problem, and not the coaches, has to realize that Shanahan was fine with signing McNabb, and then failed to get Donovan to take advantage of what the system has to offer. Donovan wants to win, but changing his approach might be tough. However, if he is switching teams, a Super Bowl winning coach ought to be able to convince him that his improvisational skills and confidence would be wise to adapt to 'the system', and do what's needed to make Donovan see the advantages in it.

Do something besides bench him with a few games left in the year. But if there was nothing Shanahan(s) could do, then they still get half the blame for signing the guy.

Posted by: payo1 | December 28, 2010 3:30 AM | Report abuse

McNabb was benched because he showed up out of shape, never got into playing shape, doesn't think he needs to practice hard and constantly argued with Shanahan about what kind of offense they should run. It's not just that he didn't produce this season.

by Rudicris
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That's a lie that's been repeated way too much about McNabb. This player's offseason workouts are almost legendary, remember? Malcolm Kelly injured himself trying to hang with McNabb, remember? Numerous WRs and other players who have worked out with McNabb in Arizona came away the better for the experience, in their minds,remember?

So please, let's stop with the "not in shape" lie, you're repeating some lie made up by who knows who.
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Personally, I think McNabb got injured in the Ravens preseason game and has tried to be a gamer about it. While dropping back on a blitz, McNabb was gang tackled by two Ravens, a DB and a LB. The DB got there first, McNabb started to yank away, but the LB got there and sort of jumped on McNabb head/neck pulling him forward over/ on his right knee. Watching the play, I thought, "man, I hope he didn't tear a knee".

McNabb laid on the field for a minute, gingerly got up, played maybe another two or three series & missed the next game, with a knee injury being given out by the team as the reason.

So, I think the dude showed up healthy and ready to go & was injured in that Ravens game & has been playing it off, not very well, all season.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | December 28, 2010 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Just a little more evidence of why Lavar was never on a real winning team. The Post ought to pick some high school journalism student to write this column, it would be more relevant.

Posted by: hammeresq | December 28, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

redskins fans that don't give a duck about anything but a uniform, not who is in it, just like weasel snyder, are the only one's who think LA is writing hate. who cares? why do these idiots get emotional over this crap team, their crap management, fat cooley, the bums in cleats that beat the Jags w/o MJD, Rex Grossberg (who is a complete disgrace to pro football) or what is written in this rag paper. on the scale of importance, this whole blog mess is at 0.0005. to see these mongruls jacked up over this is hysterical. as Barrackem Rack Rackem' Willie of Youtube fame says..."shaaadddddddduppp."

Posted by: doyouktt | December 28, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

As I recall, Lavar was benched and eventually released because he wouldn't play the scheme and cover his gaps in a "team" defense. Lavar was like Fat Albert...he wanted the freedom to roam and get his sacks. Making the highlight reel on ESPN was Priority One.

Why does this egomaniac have a column and a talk show? In Lavar's crazy world, his version of "team" always had a "me" in it.

He and Chris Samuels were drafted 1 and 2 in the same year. Chris had a stellar career. Lavar was a bust. Truth is, he is still a bust. Watch out Lavar, Mayor McNabb is gonna have your radio gig someday.

Posted by: howjensen | December 28, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm with LaVar. I'm not against benching *anyone*, but they way Donovan has been benched has been creepy. And too hasty. It's all well and good to talk tough, and bench players when they fail to perform, but I believe that to build a great football team, trust and faith are important components. IMHO, with a new QB/coaching team, there needs to be adjustment on *both* sides, to finding a winning plan. To toss a player with Donovan's credentials under the bus so soon is a bit weird. Kinks are being worked out, the offensive line is being tested, receivers are being checked out as well, ...

We can move on with other QB's, but this does not feel like a good start. Maybe we'll find John Elway, and everything will work out. But maybe we won't.

Posted by: dsparrell | December 28, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

LaVar, just hire competent agents next time who read the contract for you and okay it before you sign on the dotted line. You wouldn't be holding this grudge against the Skins if you did your homework. Go back to New York but before you leave just pay your employees what you owe them for once.

Posted by: sjp879 | December 28, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

This is the worst argument I've ever heard. There is no correlation between Shanahan's responsibilities and those of a player.

Shanahan inhereted a terrible roster that was aging and couldn't play. Nobody knew this for sure as people were hoping there might be a quick fix -- so the Redskins they blew the 2nd rounder and next year's 3rd or 4th rounder on McNabb to give it a shot. Shanahan then to realize that the newly acquired McNabb couldn't play either and was another part of the problem and not the solution. Once the Redskins were out of the playoffs, Shanahan started the roster evaluation so as to built a winning franchise long-term. This is not that complex. Everyone needs to lighten up and see the big picture and get off Shanahan's case. This generation of worrying about "who disrespected who" needs to grow up. This isn't a popularity contest. The best players need to play, regardless of the incorrect perceptions the general public may have of them.

Posted by: washinFLA | December 28, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

LaVar must have the best agent who ever lived because this no-talent keeps getting employed.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | December 28, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

If McNabb had played in any of the last 3 meaningless-as-far-as-the-playoffs games, and he had gotten injured, then all the nay-sayers would be bashing Coach for playing him in a meaningless game. Coach did the right thing by sitting him down and evaluating the rest of the talent. You can argue that it could have been done classier but no matter how it was done, it would have been picked apart and fault would have been found. Won't it be interesting if McNabb is here next year and has an understudy and Rex is gone? Shanny may be sly as a wolf although McNabb's agent isn't helping matters.

Posted by: mickeyconnie | December 28, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

LaVar, most of your articles leave alot to be desired. But this one hits the nail on the head. This reminds me of a coach who has to show the team that he's the boss.

Granted, Shanahan came into a dysfunctional organization that has allowed a strange atmosphere to brew here since 1999. Only after Gibbs took over did some of that craziness subside.

I compare this to when Schottenheimer took over in 2001 and he made an unnecessary example out of Darrell Green. Totally out of line, and I compare this benching of McNabb in the same light.

Unless we're missing a vital part of their relationship that has caused this, then we just have to wait and ride this one out. I see no other free agent QB who will do better than McNabb next season, nor do I see a college QB who will fall to us in the first round of the draft.

We better make sense, and do it quick. Because all intent and purposes, Mike is running McNabb out the door.

Posted by: jmounadi | December 28, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

GET EM

Posted by: m22hp2002 | December 28, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

LaVar: Smart or stupid?

The case for stupid:
Apparently can't differentiate between the functions/roles of a QB and a head coach.

The case for smart:
Engendering more clicks and comments than usual.

I'm voting for: stupid.

Posted by: spunkydawg1 | December 28, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Lavar underachieved as a player because of his low football IQ. With those credentials, why should anyone doubt that he's qualified to blog and talk about the intricacies of football?

Posted by: randysbailin | December 28, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Lavar continues to demonstrate a lack of understanding of what a head coach needs to do to produce a winner.
Mike gave Donovan 13 games to show he could be the QB here in D.C. He failed...it is that simple.
It is not even about one system or another...Donovan is no longer a mobile QB...
FACT NUMBER 1.
He was successful in Philly in no small way due to his ability to make plays with his feet. HIS PASSING RATING WAS NEVER THAT GOOD. Why would Andy Reid trade him and to another division team if he thought McNabb was still dangerous?

Fact no. 2
McNabb missed a lot of open receivers, and had more picks than TD`s. Say what you want about Rex...but compare the two with points in the red zone...with the same offensive players. Rex wins by a mile.
McNabb lovers say you expect Rex to throw picks...well, Donovan threw plenty of them, and they coast the team opportunities to win. Just because he is a classy guy...no reason to keep him at QB. My grandfather was a classy guy...but....

Shanahan`s big mistake was in not saying at the time of the first benching...that he was not getting the job done.
LASTLY, IF THE WHINNERS WILL NOTE...DONOVAN`S CONTRACT WAS ONLY GUARANTEED FOR THIS YEAR. THAT SAYS THAT THE TEAM WAS USING THIS YEAR AS A LONG-TERM TRY OUT. THEY FOUND OUT THAT NO.5 WAS NOT THE GUY. NOW, THEY NEED TO HOLD ON TO HIM AND SEE IF DOWN THE ROAD, A TEAM OR TEAMS will offer something for him ....

Posted by: blazerguy234 | December 28, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan looks like an idiot. There's no way to fix that. He's got unproven receivers, unproven line, unproven running game and an unproven offensive scheme. The only proven winner on the offense for the Redskins is Donovan McNabb. When things don't work as he wants he benches the only winner out there.

He looks like an idiot because there's no personnel issue (Donovan has been cool) and he's the only player who's seen the post season on the whole offense (from coaches to players) in the last 5 years.

The benching gives the implication that Donovan was the problem (as evidenced by the boneheaded comments in this forum). Yet the offense has failed to produce anything outstanding since his replacement.

McNabb was about to break a single season passing record for the Redskins. And the way he was benched was backhanded and bumbling in Detroit. His coach didn't even have the kahunas to tell him he was benched before Dallas. It was leaked to the press first so Donovan found out through the media.

When you don't have the courage to sit a man down and tell him he's benched, it shows just the type of coach you are. That's not the courage of a successful leader.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | December 28, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

In reading some of the other posts, I am amazed at how stupid some people are.
Mike was brought in to fix a team that was terrible, and had been so for years. Fans were screaming for change!! Well, how do you improve things when a lot of your players are either too old, or just not very good or both? That is the reality of team Redskins.

Portis was injured the previous few years. Mike brought in some guys like Johnson and Parker to see if they still had enough in the tank to help the team. Turns out that they were finished...so they were cut. It cost the team nothing. Trying these older players...and that includes all the other positions .... was the only way he could try to improve the situation in the short turn. Last year they won 4 games...this year they improved to 6 games...with a possible 7th win next week. THAT IS IMPROVEMENT.
Sure he made some errors...like hiring his son, but he brought focus to the team, and
has improved the culture within the team.
It was the first time in my memory that Portis took part in all the voluntary OTA`s, and came to camp in great shape...to use one example.
Benching McNabb..sends a clear message to the team that no job will ever be safe....and you better produce or it will be good bye!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | December 28, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I get the fact that there will always be the LaVar haters and dump on anything he writes or says. One moron even called him a bust. Multiple pro bowls does not translate into a bust. I guess the fact they never won a super bowl while he was here was his fault and means he was a bust and loser.

I am a skins fan who moved to the Philly area right after Gibbs 1.0 ended. The whole Reid knew what he was doing by getting rid of McNabb and knew he couldn't play so gave him to the Skins is not what happened at all. At least nothing of that sort has ever been reported in Philly. Quite the opposite.

It came down to $$ and having two QB's that needed new contracts. Kolb and McNabb. Ironically Vick was never in the conversation. Reid REALLY believed Kolb was his guy. His new franchise QB. From what has been reported around here, three teams offered Reid what he was willing to take for McNabb. Oakland, Buffalo, and Washington. He went to Donavan and asked him where he wanted to go. They have a very strong relationship and a deep respect for each other so Reid wanted to do right by Donavan. So he traded him to the team Donavan preferred, the Skins, even though they are division rivals.

So this whole Donavan can't play so that is why Reid got rid of him is just nonsense. No team keeps or pays two QB's #1 QB money. Reid honestly thought Kolb could be his guy going forward and had to do something or lose him in free agency. He was always going to get more in trade value for McNabb a proven guy coming off a great season then he was ever going to get for Kolb. Does anyone think a team was going to give up a second rd and 3rd or 4th for Kevin Kolb. That is why McNabb was traded. He was going to fetch more in a trade and going to require more money to sign than Kolb. Like any business, if you have two guys you think can do a job and one is older and going to cost more what usually happens? They kick the veteran out the door and keep the cheaper younger guy.
McNabb had a great season last year, he didn't forget how to play all of a sudden. No one can say he was declining for the last few years. I'm not saying he played great this season or even good. But I don't think it was all his fault. If the Shanahan system was something that he couldn't run then they should have tweaked into something he could run. If Vinny had done this (Gave up 2 good picks +$3.5m for a 1yr rental of a vet) everyone would be calling for his head. It seems like a great deal of fans are willing to give Shanahan a pass for this. Like the two draft picks are an afterthought, insignificant. Not sure what he has done around here to earn that free pass.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | December 28, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I usually don't disagree with Lavar, but this time he is wrong. The players have been running the Redskin's asylum for a decade. They have taken Snyder's money and played hard when it suited them and certainly not on a consistent basis. I think Dan Snyder brilliantly brought in a new warden who has the benefit of a proven track record, doesn't take any lip, and demands performance at all levels.

I didn't see many missed tackles in Jacksonville, did you Lavar? Maybe the players finally figured out they have a coach with some teeth who doesn't pamper supposed stars?

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 28, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I would tell artbee2000 to go straight to Hades, but he's 100% correct. I can't even be mad at the Ravens or Ravens' fans. I would have never in 1000 years thought that so many Skins fans were Kool-aid gulping idiots.

Some of you folks just don't get it. Shanahan is the one that brought in McNabb. He's the one that gave up draft pics to get him. He's the one that said that it takes 2 to 3 years to get this system down, but yet he's dumping McNabb after 13 games. I can't say for sure that he's the one, but someone in Shanahan's camp is leaking info to the media, because there were reports that McNabb was going to be benched Monday or Tuesday after the loss to Tampa Bay. McNabb went on to say that as far as he knew, he would still be the starter. He wasn't officially informed that he wouldn't be starting I believe it was on a Thursday. You don't run an organization like this and you don't treat a man like McNabb, who is well respected around the league; with the body of work that he has and the class and dignity that he's handled himself, like that. You don't! So you know what? Keep on singing Shanahan's praises and if/when he doesn't deliver, who are you all going to blame then?

Posted by: Rahwaj | December 28, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

OMG...Can't beleive some your comments..NOBODY picked the Redskins to go to the playoff's this year, most of us had them going 6 and 8. Are you people crazy the Skins have not won anything the the last 10 years so how is this McNabb fault. Lavar I loved you as player, Loved the way you treated the fans, you are the best sports reporter in town....Keep Keeping it real...

Posted by: spunyum | December 28, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I will grant that Shanahan handled the benching of McNabb poorly, but I think he simply realized he had made a mistake and #5 would not have what was needed for his system.

I think Shanahan knows what is needed at the QB position for his system based on his past. In SF he worked with Steve Young and earned a SB win. When he arrived in Denver he had a great QB (Elway) and made Elway's stats even better and Shanny's "system" earned 2 more rings. Then when Elway retired Shanahan turned Brian Griese into a Pro-Bowl QB and an accurate passer. Once Griese left (b/c MS did not like his progress) his stats never came close to the 2000 season. Then MS took a struggling Jake Plummer and he had his best statistical seasons under Shanahan's offensive scheme. Cutler played well too under Mike Shanahan, it was the Denver defense that was so terrible the last 3 years for Mike.

The point being that Shanahan knows what he is looking for in a QB for his scheme to work. He thought he could get it out of McNabb, but he was wrong. That is why he had to see if Grossman would be a better fit. Just because a coach says it takes two years to learn a system doesn't mean you have to wait two years to know whether your guy can figure it out. The two years is for perfection of the system I think 13 games is enough for MS to assess competency. They signed #5 to an extension so that they can at least get one draft pick back when he is traded in the off season.

Just my $0.02.

Posted by: timitymaloney | December 28, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan made a mistake, and a big one it is.. everyone always talks about having to bring their players in and setup their stuff. But true coaching is having the ability to take the players that you have and adapting your system to their strengths. There are a lot of good players on the team and honestly there was no reason why this team shouldn't have more wins under it's belt. How do you take a top 10 defense and turn it into one of the worst defenses in the NFL, the skins showed exactly by switching to a 3-4 which is supremely ill suited for considering the players it had on it's roster. Why not stick with a 4-3 base, and run 3-4 more often. Why alienate Fat Al, who did help Orakpo and Carter get 10 sacks each last year. Even if the Skins had half a defense of what they had last year we would have at least 2-3 wins more. That was a perfect example of a coach not adapting to his players. Why did Shanahan get McNabb anyway.... See Campbell over there in Oakland he could have done the same if not better in this system, plus we could have used the 2nd round draft pick which was used on McNabb for another OL, which we are going to have to get anyway, as our OL is still not playoff quality. Shanny was let go from the Bronco's for a reason, which was why McNabb was let go by the Eagles. He was always a good but not good enough QB. He is not an elite QB in this league. Any elite QB can hit anything within 15 yards with deadly accuracy, his passes are too erratic. Shanny knew this.. just watch any tape, and ask any Philly fan about McNabb. This season could have been more productive instead of this chaos which has been around all season. A coach who can't adapt his system to the personnel on hand is not a true coach. This season did not have to be as bad as it was, and that is the coaches fault.

Posted by: ttiger211996 | December 28, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Lavar, you have a players perspective on everything you see. The problem is that, with good coaches, players don't call the shots. Mcnabb being benched sent yet another signal to this team that the leadership is going to come from the top, the way it should be with every team. Mcnabbs inability to grasp the offense was handicapping this team all season, and he's 34....you expect patience? I expect victories.

Posted by: wewbank1 | December 28, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Both Shanahan and McNabb are at the tail ends of their career. They both need to be gone.

What I would like to see is a new HC hire who has experience as a coordinator and is ready to lead for years.

And a young QB that we can grow with.

Let's build for the future and stop with this win now mentality; hiring older players and coaches.

Posted by: pastorbobs | December 28, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

You can't be serious if anyone on here thinks that Manning or Brady would've done any better with this team. As for the trade to get McNabb, anyone one of us would've made that trade. Grossman showed sunday that he could do no better, and he knows the offense. I would agree that McNabb had some issues that were on him, skipped passes missing open receivers, but a lot more of his problems had to do with a offensive line that would have trouble with a high school defensive line, learning a new offense, which by all accounts takes a couple seasons to learn. There is enough blame to go around with the Redskins, year after year they fail to address the problems of the team, like they will do again this off season.

Posted by: aviator3 | December 28, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Both Shanahan and McNabb are at the tail ends of their career. They both need to be gone. "

Pastorbobs, this is the most fair thing that was written in the many comments here.

For some reason, a lot of commenters have such a grudge against Lavar for some reason that they're not listening to the legitimate argument he makes. Just because some of you don't like Lavar, does that mean that he's automatically wrong and that Shanahan's a genius?

On the point about Shanahan inheriting a bad Redskins team and not being able to make much out of it: In 1999, Shanahan took charge of the team that he had just taken to two SuperBowl championships - minus John Elway. The man who has a feeling about quarterbacks benched Elway's backup in favor of someone he thought was better for his "system." The result: They started that season 0-4. They missed the playoffs for three of the first four years after Elway. It took six seasons for them to win a playoff game and then he's never won one since then.

If this is all that Shanahan was able to do starting in 1999 with the two-time SuperBowl teams that he coached and that Elway led, WHY do some of you think he'll ever be able to do anything substantial with this mess in Washington? WHY?

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 28, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Reading this and all the comments makes me think a couple things, regardless whether you like or dislike LaVar he has a right to his own opinion, just like we all do, it has nothing to do with his restaurant or how he screwed over the workers at his restaurant. If memory serves me correctly Shannahan started messing up when he got too much control, point blank it seems like he should not have as much say so with the roster. He should stick with being the HEAD COACH, being able to hire his son, who was given that offense in Houston shows that hiring his son was a mistake, flat out Kyle couldn't and can't come to terms that he doesn't have Houston's QB or Andre Johnson and to think that Santana Moss would be able to emulate him was a retarded thought at best. Seems to me West Coast is West Coast, McNabb played terrible this year and come on this has been a long time coming, Reid got rid of McNabb cause he knew he was on the decline and couldn't hide it anymore, he sent McNabb here thinking that McNabb would get another nice contract as most veteran's do that sign here, Whether McNabb practiced hard, knew or know's the playbook is a moot point because he has never been that accurate and he just wasn't the right one to come here and Shannahan was forced into this ARE YOU IN media blitz. Face it Danny makes his millions every year and like they say there is a sucker born every minute, what we didn't know that most suckers seem to be Redskin fans and Danny bends us over every year with either a superstar signing or some other nonsense, Bruce Allen is not the GM for this team and Shannahan shouldn't have all the power he has, he wasn't a good judge of talent in Denver and that is why he was fired. Again the Redskins are just snakebit and will be until Snyder sells the team to a competant owner that doesn't like to play real life Fantasy Football with the team he owns. Get a Center and Guards, get a real # 1 WR, get a QB that isn't a stop gap, get real players for the 3-4 or switch back to the 4-3. Cause the decisions made this year again show the Redskins are a joke, they are a bush league team that needs to move over to the UFL.......

Posted by: RussPenmanIII | December 28, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Another tuff season full of high expectations with crappy results. I really wanted McNab to work out, and I thought Shanny would bring intelligence and coaching experience that could make the difference in close games. As usual, we,the Skins fans were let down. But it's hard to deny the facts that in watching MacNab, he didn't play well, or well enough consistently. I would like to give the guy a chance like Levar suggested Shanny should have, and Shanny could have handled things better, but from what I saw, an honest assessment would be, McNab is not the QB of the future, and Shanny worries me as he doesn't seem to have a handle on the team. Basically, it' like last year with different characters. I agree with pastorbobs...Get a coordinator, someone from NE, or Pitt, from a winning team/franchise, trade for as many picks as you can get and infuse as much youth as possible...and keep your fingers crossed that hype and hope are one in the same...as usual.

Posted by: eello | December 28, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Lavar you demonstrate your bias and inability to be taken seriously as an analyst.

Shananhan is the coach of the team he is to be judged by the overall work at the end of the season.

McNabb a great quarterback, this year he has not produced to the standards he himself set, he has to be brought to task for this. By whom? by the coach. McNabb has not been the solution to problems that Shanahan thought he had when he was brought in.

McNabb's agents comments, have only served to stoke a fire that it is not necessary to stoke until the season is over. For now all we need is to keep playing to maximum ability to achieve the best results possible. To start any infighting at this time is pointless and counterproductive.

At seasonn's end we can comment on the good and bad points of the one year Shanahan regime, although I thoroughly beleive that any coach deserves at least 2-3 years to evaluate his capacity to lead the team.

We gave N. Turner 4-5 years and he led us no where. All other coaches have been here for 2 or less years and we see the results a constant changing of systems, personell and more important instability and no direction.

Let us stop this it is waste of time and effort. Most journalists in this town seem to be enamored at this constant turmoil, yet all it does it to further demage the Redskins to get out of the problems they are in.

If you want to comment on something that is wrong or right do so but move on to areas you can control. Shnahan is the coach for now and for the foreseable future, that is a fact and deal with it.

Posted by: williamlake | December 28, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Lavar is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!! Shanahan is not being held accountable for any of his own bone-headed deficiencies. He has not once answered a question about his LAST PLACE DEFENSE which has been the biggest part of his losing season. Will he fire Hasslet??? He has not been held accountable for horrible O-line, and the total lack of offensive skill positions. I've never heard anyone even question Mike or Kyle about the horrible 3rd down efficiency. They just deflected all blame to McNabb. Kyle's play calling has been about the same as JZorn. The Shanahans felt vindicated because RGrossman played well in the 2nd half of a LOSS that was largely attributed to his own poor play in the 1st half. Its obvious that Shanahan is so stubborn that he will stick with a less-than-average QB who has prior knowlege of Kyle's playbook, rather than make some adjustments for the Pro Bowl QB with far more experience and success that we traded valuable picks for. For those who think that Andy Reid was so smart, what do you think about Mike Shanahan?

Posted by: vze3c9qt | December 28, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

LOL, LaVar is drinking the same "kool aid" that the rest of the brothas are drinking down at whatever club theyve been hanging at. McNabb is the most overrated QB in the league in the last 10 yrs. People scream about the fact that he took the Eagles to the NFC championship game 5 times BUT ONLY WON IT ONCE! His entire career in Philly was about playing QB "his way" which is to say, getting by on his athleticism as opposed to knowing the playbook well enough to walk up to the line on every play and audiblize to any play he chose ala Manning, Braby, Brees. And this moron had 11 YEARS to learn the playbook in Philly and he still couldnt master it!!!!!!!!! The knock on him has been the same his entire career, just ask Philly fans...lousy/lazy practice player, doesnt study hard enough, tries to get by on athleticism, cant stand in the pocket and read through his progressions because he doesnt understand the entire play well enough, and has terrible mechanics which he is too lazy to work to correct. Do you think it is just a coincedence that M. Vick runs the same offense 100 times better than McNabb did in Philly??? Vick used to be inaccurate and a bad student of the game, now he has worked to become a complete QB, something McNabb never has nor ever will do. He is a lazy, "do it my way" guy, hell even TO saw it when he was in Philly, why the hell do you think he called him out on it. Good riddance McNabb, go be lazy for some other team and be their mistake.

Posted by: opticlguy | December 28, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Since when did LaVar become a spokesman for the Redskins? This clown was run out of town and is nothing more than a cancer and an ingrate. How does he get a job writing this crap? Typical race-baiting. I guess Andy Reid and Shanahan know nothing about a washed-up QB? When are these local (and national) media fools going to admit the guy is AWFUL.
If he was white he'd be another mediocre QB. Remember the supposedly SIX Pro Bowls he's been to? Four of the six he was an alternate. Quit playing the race card and slobbering all over this clown. He's lazy, not real smart, and was always overrated.
Rush Limbaugh was 100% correct.

Posted by: RunninUteDB | December 28, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm I do not remember once the coach taking the blame for putting a back up QB in with 2 minutes to go and he fumble away the game the first play from scrimmage.

That in of itself was a horrible decision.

It always the same in DC. It is the QB fault. Every year the same story.

The skins are and have been a horrible orginzation since they where bought.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | December 28, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

McNabb will play better next year on whatever team he goes to, than whoever the skins have starting QB (Not Named Cam Newton) next season. Book It.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 28, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

all of yall ripping lavar must be reading the standings wrong, see we're not 9-6, we're 6-9. We're not playing for JACK in december once again. We have no identity on offense. Our defense went from top 10 to last. We have no playmakers on either side of the ball. We have less draft picks and still have holes on the OL,DL, and QB...........but other than all that doom and gloom Mike's really held the fort down.....all we need is GWB hoppin off a chopper talkin bout " You're doing a great job Shanny" as the players pack up their stuff mondaymorning at redskins park.

Seriously, I've been waiting since the Det benching for someone to tell me one thing that Shanny has done well with this team....and I'll continue to hold. It's laughable that so many folks blindly trust this guy who isn't better in his first year than Zorn was in his.We are no better off than we were this time last year ( in fact we're worse off,bc we'll prolly get a lower draft selection). I wanted to be all in with Shanny, but everything he touched this year turned to crap. He went out and picked the groceries this offseason, and every redskins fan has a sour taste in their mouth.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | December 28, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

LAvar, everytime you write something like this, I like you less and less. And that's saying a lot - you and Sean Taylor were my 2 favorites.

If Donovan was white, you wouldn't have written this article. Period. End of story. There's this contingent of guys from Wilbon to Jason Reid that feels the need to come out and support McNabb even though he clearly had issues both on the field and apparently at practice. And now Lavar, you've added yourself to the list. Congratulations for selling out.

I for one am thankful Shanahan admitted his "mistake" and decided to evaluate Grossman. We'll see how many other teams take a bite at McNabb. Not many I would guess. His career as an NFL QB is nearing its end. Its just too bad the Skins were his showcase and the NFL got a clear look at Donovan at our expense.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 28, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

and btw, where was this article after Grossman's 4 TD and multiple 2 point conversion game last week? You had to wait until Rex had a mediocre performance to break out McNabb's PR wagon.

I don't feel sorry for how he was treated here at all. He got a lot of money to play like sh_t.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 28, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

LaVar. I like you love to grind an axe. So lets start here.

LaVar. Have you made good and paid the money you owe your restaurant staff ?

Lavar. Why didn't you inform your staff the restaurant was,,, like you a bust ?

LaVar why didn't you reach into your own pocket and pay your staff ? Considering it was on Christmas eve, your restaurant went belly up.

LaVar. Why did you chicken out and not show up and explain your YOUR employees what was going on, when the creditors were picking that crap hole you call a restaurant apart ?


If this is all true, LaVar is a bigger dirt bag than Dan Synder, Mike Shanahan or anybody else he make comment about.

Posted by: mattphillips | December 28, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Washington Post Sports Commenter Bias Quiz

This is a quiz to determine your qualifications for being able to comment in a relatively fair manner on issues regarding the Washington Redskins.

1) The Economic Collapse of 2008 was caused by:
a) Lehmen Brothers
b) Subprime Mortgages
c) Wall Street
d) Donovan McNabb, whose Eagles lost the Monday Night game on September 15th, 2008, to the Dallas Cowboys.


2) The fact that the Redskins Defense has fallen from being in the top-ten of NFL defenses for almost every year in the past decade to dead last place is due to:

a) Shanahan's insistence on forcing the 3-4 on Washington.
b) Defensive Coordinator Jim Haslett
c) A general lack of talent
d) Donovan McNabb


3) The fact that Mike Shanahan only one a single playoff game in the ten seasons after Elway retired is due to the fact:

a) That Shanahan isn't such a great coach after all.
b) That Elway was the central reason that the Broncos of the eighties and nineties were a force to be reckoned with.
c) Shanahan kept changing quarterbacks and picking new quarterbacks that stank.
d) "It takes time, people, to make a team competitive. Even when the team was a two-time Super Bowl champion already. The Broncos just weren't patient enough with a genius like Shanahan."


If you picked (D) on more than two questions, you need to pick a new favorite sport; watching and analyzing football is probably not for you.

Posted by: CommonSenseDude | December 28, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

While I understand your logic LaVar. We all know that's not how it works. We have an example of a coach being fired for poor performance by his "players" this year in the NFC East. The Cowgirl players played below their collective talent level and Phillps was gone. Enter "Coach" Garrett...and suddenly the Cowgirl players looked like a team again. With your patience logic...Phillips would still be coaching in Dallas and they would be 2-13 or so right now. If Shanahan kept McNabb behind center and we continue to lose...he loses out on 3 games of in season football to evaluate the rest of the team.

Let's be honest...McNabb probably will be better off next year. No matter where he is slinging the ball around. But if he doesn't fit in DC. Doesn't the coaching staff have a right to make that call. Maybe they could've handled it better but it is a business after all.

If Shanahan stuck with McNabb and they continue to lose...they don't make the playoffs this year or next...by year 3 Shanahan would have to draft or trade for a QB...and then with Danny at the helm. Would not be given enough time to turn the team into a winner. It is a double standard when it's all said and done.

But,I sure wish my employer would disrespect me to the tune of the millions of dollars that NFL players are disrespected by.

True employer disrespect isn't what McNabb has experienced. It's what's happened to the middle class in this country in the last decade and a half. But that's for another blog...not the fantasy world of sports business.

Posted by: kansaskinfan | December 28, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree with LaVar and all the criticism posted here is RI-DIC-ULOUS.
Why would you go after for McNabb when the current leading QB in the NFL was on the same team riding the bench 3rd string? Because of Snyder. And now teh Eagles win the NFC East and Redskins are the same last place losers.
McNabb has been nothing but silent and respectful and Snyder & Shenanigans continue to crap all over him. He was their choice and now he is their scapegoat. How could this be a rebuilding season when you trade away draft picks?! He is a liar and has no respect for his players. It became a rebuilding season when we started stinking up stadiums including Fed Ex with our losses. You don't bring a soon to be retired but alos future Hall of Fame QB in for a "rebuilding season". He is going to be fired just like all the rest of themwhen we have yet another losing season next year.

Posted by: raceskins | December 28, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I like you Lavar, but I don't agree with your take on the situation. Players are there to do what the coaches ask, and coaches are not part of the team. They are in charge of the team. Diminish the role of a coach in this regard, and you're asking for chaos. Shanny needs to grab this team by the ears and shake them awake. Some of these players won't be here next year, and that's fine. D-Mac should not be entitled the luxury of all the adjustment time that should be afforded to Shanny. Shanny has much more work to do than D-Mac to prepare, and far greater responsibility.

I should add that I do not agree with some of the people who are hatin' on you here on this post. I like you and I like your show. Now, if you were Michael Wilbon then you would have said that D-Mac was benched because of race, in which case I would hate you, like I hate Wilbon.

Syonara, Wilbon!

Posted by: ktp70 | December 28, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Donovan was once a top ten QB. It appears that his skills or desire to be a top QB has diminished with age. I think that Shanahan not only misjudged what Donovan had left, but misjudged the overall talent on this team. He may have thought that McNabb could do enough to make a playoff run with the talent we had. Now, Shanahan realizes he has to rebuild. Donovan is the wrong guy to rebuild around. But, everyone is entitled to their opinion without being verbally abused and if I am wrong and all of the McNabb supporters here are correct; then there should be about 5 teams fighting to trade their 1st or 2nd round pick for his services. Let's just sit back and see whose right.

Posted by: Skin4Life1 | December 28, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Th folks who keep bring race into the conversation (Limbaugh comments and other nonsense) are killing me.
They keep injecting race, then claim a fictional strawman has made it about race. Let the hate go...

LA, as Kanye said 'if they hate, then let them hate and watch the money pile up'.

Time to destroy some myths:
1- Shanahan didn't draft Terrell Davis, the GM (John Beake) did.
2- Reid would have traded Vick if the Skins offered the same compensation that they offered for McNabb.
3- McNabb chose to come here.
4- McNabb was in shape this off-season and he was here the ENTIRE offseason learning the O
5- Our offensive line is terrible

Some people are just sheep, they beleive the BS the Redskins staff puts out and never think for themselves. I bet if the staff claimed that Cooley wasn't up to snuff this whole conversation would be different.
My point is, Shanahan can do better and should be held to, if not the same, a higher standard than any of the players.
No one beleived he would change this franchise overnight, we just beleived he would made sound decisions and lower the amount of drama this team has every year.
So far, he has not done this....

Posted by: priceisright | December 28, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

I knew there was potential for some serious conflict when the owner allowed Shanahan to hire his unproven son as the offensive coordinator. I asked myself, other than being the head coaches son, exactly what has Kyle Shananhan actually accomplished in the NFL that qualified him for this posiion? I've never seen him make the play-offs a the OC, when the man he has been so quick to riticize, insult, and bench has HOF credentials as a quaterback.

Posted by: PracticalIndependent | December 28, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse


adamleehankins wrote:
What sense would it make to play McNabb in meaningless games?

Easy, so he can improve just like any other player improves. If you just bench him how does he get better with the team?

Posted by: ged0386 | December 28, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

LaVar - news flash - WE WON this week. Without McNabb. WE WON, with a quarterback who is willing and able to play within the system. That's what the coaches want.

McNabb is being run out of town for the same reason YOU were shipped out of DC. Players who do not get with the program, for whatever reason, are removed from the program. Doesn't matter who is coaching.

Do us all a favor and take a reality check, man...I respected you as a player and I'm glad you are writing a column, but you aren't winning anyone over with this weak, misguided attempt to defend a player who simply didn't perform.

Posted by: DC2Cali | December 28, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

bselby12

I asked Lavar did he read you blog. He said why would I read some losers blog who does not know me? He is a blogger. Why would I take him seriously. I told him, because he takes his blogs seriously so he thinks you are suppose to. He said I owe him nothing. Just thought I would let you know Lavar does not care what you think of him.

Posted by: ged0386 | December 28, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

jimbrooks99

McNabb looks better than Kirk Warner did when he was a New York Giant. He looks better than Brad Johnson looked as a redskin, Jim Plunkett as a Patriot, Rich Gannon as a Redskin. In other words we are too quick to predict when a athlete is done. We are a bunch of predictors who more times than not are wrong. McNabb was a pro bowler just last season. He will shine with his next team while we will still be looking for a QB. Remember watching Brad Johnson win a supperbowl just two years after we let him go? We thought he was washed up to.

Posted by: ged0386 | December 28, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Donovan skipped too many passes off the turf and overthrew too many long balls. He is intelligent and articulate, has been to the Pro Bowl many times, but he has performed by his own standards poorly this year. Even with a makeshift offensive line and running back woes, there have been too strange passes. Those mistakes eat away the offense's confidence and make the opponent relaxed and confident.

The Shanahans have been unhappy with his performance for a long time and have been waiting all season for him to make the adjustments to be successful. To learn to go through the progressions, to improve the mechanics to be accurate, to stay with the play calling. To have clock awareness at the end of games and not meander up to the line of scrimmage. The Shanahan's knew that benching McNabb would make them look stupid (and it did) and they put it off as long as they could.

I think McNabb peaked in Philly. Perhaps Grossman, four years younger, can mature into a top ten QB. At times, he has looked great on drives. I think he is more accurate than McNabb right now. He needs to handle pocket pressure better. The year spent with Kyle on the Houston Texans gives him a comfort zone with the playbook. Anybody coming in would have to learn it or perish.

One thing is sure, the Shanahan don't care what you have done or what you are paid. It is "what can you do for us today?"

Posted by: ACounter | December 28, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Skin4Life1

Yes lets wait and see. I got McNabb in the playoffs again on another team before the skins make it. I also have Jason Campbell getting there before the skins do to. They cant even say that they are better off than they were with Campbell at this point.

Posted by: ged0386 | December 28, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Why do I waste my time reading the garbage that comes out of LaVar Arrington's mouth?

Posted by: Rational_Man |


For the same reason I waste my time reading your garbage post. At least LaVar played professionally. Most bloggers like you and me never played sports past high school if that much but we think we know more than Lavar.

Posted by: ged0386 | December 28, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Re the coments comparing Manning and McNabb and their offensive lines... As of today, per nfl.com:
Manning's line gave up 15 sacks (1st) and 45 QB hits (2nd).
McNabb's line gave up 44 sacks (30th) and 101 QB hits (32nd).

Posted by: ACounter | December 28, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's influence is what made Vick's game rise a level or two. http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/21438/michael-vick-sticks-up-for-mcnabb Whatever the Shanahans said about #5's work ethic and conditioning was a lie. McNabb brings as much to any team as, or more than, anyone. Brady is great. He fits Belichick's system; or Belichick makes his system work around him. Matt Cassel went 11-5 in Brady's absence, even though he never even started at USC.

Posted by: edwcorey | December 28, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Most of you that are coming down on Lavar also believe that colt Brennen is a NFL starting QB.

Shanny has won only one playoff game post-Elway. After several years Shanny was fired for thinking he knew to much.

A team is a combination of players, coaches and management working together to become a cohesive unit, focused on the same goal. That said the Shanny's both father and son are a joke. Coaching requires not a force of will but a movation of talent. This happens in the corporate world too. I say fire the whole coaching staff except for McCardell and Jackson. Hire Russ Grimm and draft wisely. I have been a Redskin fan all of my life and this the first time that I have considered changing alliances. Eleven years after Danny Boy I know I could coach them better than everyone that he has brouhgt here with the exception of J. Gibbs number two.

Most of you have never played anything but Madden and think that you know football. I believe that Lavar is closer to the locker room than all of us.

Posted by: pri1ce | December 28, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Even at 3rd string, McNabb jerseys are still selling more than Rex Grossman Jerseys. Our new starting QB does not have the arm to throw the ball away with out being intercepted(Dallas game). McNabb made Anthony Armstong look like Gary Clark at times. Grossman has not thrown it to Armstrong because he can not throw that far. Dear Armstrong: please follow McNabb wherever he goes. You have deep threat potential. Grossmam will ignore you down field. Shanahan will blame and bench you for his faults.

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 28, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb's on-field performance can be criticized; that's the nature of being an NFL quarterback. But McNabb should have received the benefit of the doubt from his head coach, and then the media, which would've given the fans an opportunity to make up their own minds on the situation. It should've been a no-brainer to extend the same courtesy to McNabb that Mike Shanahan so conveniently accepts for himself. Unfortunately, that's not what happened"

Actually, a LOT of Redskins fans are smart enough to make up our own god__mn minds about McNabb irrespective of what Shanahan said or did. I was screaming for that bum to be benched 4 weeks before it happened. So don't put this on the Shanahans, like they're responsible for the fanbase turning on Donovan. He was judged on his on-field performance. And he stunk it up too many times.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 28, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"In my opinion, McNabb has accomplished more than enough as a professional quarterback to be given a fair opportunity to evaluate, assess, adapt and adjust to a new team "

And that's your opinion Lavar and you're welcome to it, even though I suspect that race does play a part in this no matter what anyone thinks. At some conscious or sub-conscious level, race is playing a part in your defense of DM.

the fact is, a head coach and a QB coach who have had decent experience between the both of them, evaluated the player they traded for and decided they made a mistake. They decided they don't need to see him for another 3 or 4 games. They wanted to start their improvement for next season NOW, rather than wait till the season was over. So they're evaluating the QB position the same way they're evaluating other positions.

got it ?

as to the other stuff that some guy posted about how you're screwin over your restaurant staff, i hope it ain't true. I really do. Because I've always been a fan of yours and was totally psyched when we drafted you. And I figured you'd play for us as long as Derrick Brooks played for Tampa and LT for the Giants. And I totally took your side when you had your rift with our dumb_ss owner.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 28, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Why would you go after for McNabb when the current leading QB in the NFL was on the same team riding the bench 3rd string? Because of Snyder. And now teh Eagles win the NFC East and Redskins are the same last place losers.
McNabb has been nothing but silent and respectful and Snyder & Shenanigans continue to crap all over him. He was their choice and now he is their scapegoat. How could this be a rebuilding season when you trade away draft picks

--race-

Its pretty simple really. Try and follow along.

Shanahan screwed up by acquiring McNabb. He finally figured it out. At the risk of continuing to make that same mistake and prolonging the agony of watching Donovan not adapt to this style and team, Shanny benched him. I wish he would publicly admit that he screwed up but he won't.

So all parties have fault here. The Shanahans. McNabb and his stupid agent. Bruce Allen.

But at least Mike admitted his mistake. Most coaches would make a mistake and keep going with it stubbornly.

No argument from me that giving up 2 draft picks for DM was a mistake. I totally agree. But once you make a mistake, you try and correct it. And that's whats occurring here.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 28, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Shanahan is his son is too insecure to coach a veteran like McNabb. All vets contribute to the offensive plan. He didn't want to tailor to McNabb's strengths. Just like Haslett installed a defense that wasn't suited to the players he has. Shanahan also has the team fighting each other instead of moving forward cohesively. He and his son don't like McNabb. That is dumb because he is respected by his teamates. He needs to be fired because he will not get any better. He was never a great coach anyway. Without Elway he was mediocre at best.

Posted by: robo2010 | December 28, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

McNabb bailed Shanahan and this organization out by signing that contract when he did. Respected people in and around the league turn their backs Shanahan for the lies he told about McNabb after the Lion same. Right or wrong: The nationwide perception of the Washington Redskins has regressed to being the most raciest team in the NFL. The joke of the league.

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 28, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

McNabb bailed Shanahan and this organization out by signing that contract when he did. Respected people in and around the league turn their backs on Shanahan for the lies he told about McNabb after the Lion same. Right or wrong: The nationwide perception of the Washington Redskins has regressed to being the most raciest team in the NFL. The joke of the league.

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 28, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan can do what ever he wants, that is his job with his 5 years contract. Please keep your mouth shut.

Posted by: inva | December 28, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

hahaha. I love the reader comments because at the end of the day, we are so sick and tired of 'disgruntled' Lavar. When O when will the Lavar and Do*che show be cancelled? Day in, day out, constant negativity, stupid hypotheticals...it's like watching dumb and dumber, only these folks honestly believe they have something to contribute. Lavar a dunce linebacker and Do*che riding the coattails of the Junkies. Please fire them...and while you are at it, fire Mike Wise too. This unholy alliance between 106.7 and The Wapo is so annoying.

Posted by: zap123 | December 28, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Lavar is a moron in trying to compare McNabbs physical (maybe mental) abilities with Shanahan's ability to to turn our team around. I swear, I really used to like Lavar and really feel that its the Redskins fault that he won't be in the hall of fame... sincerely. He was misused. But then he has to open his mouth and say stupid things. Riggo did the same. Riggo went from my favorite all time Redskin, to me giving away his shirt on my back. I guess he got drunk one too many times. So disgusted with the stupidity.

I'm a big McNabb fan and was thrilled that he came on board... hoping it'd work out. Truth is... that he has done okay. He has done a bit greater than his sub-par stats, but stats don't tell the real story. Truth be told, McNabb simply didn't do good enough in my opinion. Redskins football appeared inspiring at times, but not enough times. McNabb certainly didn't do good enough, nor did Haynesworth for that matter.

I am ecstatic that the shanahans were bold enough to trust their own eyes and make VERY tough decisions. Not many coaches in the NFL could have pulled the trigger on these events. McNabb was an amazing pickup... with lots of hope. Too bad it didn't work out.

Please, washington Post, fire Mike Wise, Sally Jenkins, and stop posting Lavar's vindictive proclamations.

Posted by: RHorwat | December 28, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

This is the Virginia Redskins now. They practice, live, entertain, visit VA schools, and donate to VA communities. They only come close to Washington on game day. The team history and name is Raciest. The Owner has bad karma. Im trying to stay loyal, however I understand why the DC and Maryland fan base are starting to support other teams.

Posted by: Scott_Pasitti | December 28, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan screwed up by acquiring McNabb. He finally figured it out. At the risk of continuing to make that same mistake and prolonging the agony of watching Donovan not adapt to this style and team, Shanny benched him. I wish he would publicly admit that he screwed up but he won't.

So all parties have fault here. The Shanahans. McNabb and his stupid agent. Bruce Allen.

But at least Mike admitted his mistake. Most coaches would make a mistake and keep going with it stubbornly.

No argument from me that giving up 2 draft picks for DM was a mistake. I totally agree. But once you make a mistake, you try and correct it. And that's whats occurring here.

Posted by: cstanton1
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My goodness....
When you have something and you want to get rid of it, you don't bytch and whine about the problems you have to prospective buyers.
All of this would not be an issue if MS have just left #5 on the field in Detriot. He took him off b/c of the impatience of #1 son. If he left him on the field and there was no prior talk of being 'out of shape' or 'not learning the playbook', all this could have been avoided. MS could have sat McNabb for the 'evaluating' period w/ no argument. Then he could have moved him in the offseason for MORE THAN WHAT WE WILL GET NOW. He could have packaged him w/ our pick to get higher to get the QB he wants. Tell me you wouldn't make that trade if you were Carolina, Bills, Minny, or 9ners. You get a #5 & a top ten pick for your #1, #3, #4 or #5.
This is the mistake Shanahan made. This doesn't help our team this hurts our team.

Posted by: priceisright | December 28, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

One thing is a perfect match. Lavar and The Post deserve each other, you both suck! Always skewed, non-objective reporting. You both are thieves. Lavar stole the Skins money and The Post employees stole tickets and scalped them. Both unethical sponges! Yeah, you both suck!!!!!!

Posted by: jb3812121 | December 28, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Gee, a former player taking the side of a soon to be former player? What a shock..

Posted by: KDSmallJr | December 28, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

And, coaches should get more time because they have to build an entire team, a player only has to worry about himself.

Posted by: jimbrooks99 | December 27, 2010 1:49 PM |

Yeah. OK. Good thing McNabb doesn't have to worry about his RBs blocking in pass pro, his receivers running the right route, and his O line blocking.

Not to mention his coaches leaking garbage through "unnamed sources familiar with the situation."

Blow it out your hole.

You're an idiot.

When my Redskins become Super Bowl Champs, Shanatan will be long gone. Mark my words. The guy is a loser.

He should mail his SB rings back to Elway tomorrow.

LaVar is right. Would you perform for a boss who stabs the most dedicated employees in the back?

Would you perform for a boss you don't respect?

Maybe you're starting to see why having an egomaniac liar for a head coach probably isn't going to do much for our Win Loss record.

They should fire Shanahan tomorrow and bring in Bill Cowher.

I said this the first time Shanatan lied about McNabb's cardiovascular endurance. The guy is a flat out fraud.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 28, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

But it's time now to move on and begin serious rebuilding. I have no doubt that Shanahan can get the job done.

Posted by: tigana99 | December 27, 2010 6:04 PM |

Hmmm. No Doubt, huh? Why would that be? Have you seen Shanafraud's record post Elway? I'll put it this way: He makes Norv Turner's record with the Redskins look Amazing.

He's a fraud. You fell for it. We lose.

Posted by: Thinker_ | December 28, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Arrington wants to remain popular with his player buddies so of course he takes the cowards way out and bashes management even if it's now totally obvious that McNabb has sent his agent to do the dirty backstab work in the press. McNabb is a two-faced scumbag.

Posted by: Capitalist-1 | December 28, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I can't ever remember a season where there were more bad moves made than the one we're all experiencing right now.

I'd still love to know who really pushed to bring McNabb here in the first place? Was it Snyder? Allen? M. Shanahan? K. Shanahan? Haslett? A combination of them?

Almost every week, since Shanahan and Allen were announced as our new front office, there's been some "very questionable, to down right stupid" moves made around Redskins Park.

If I'm keeping score, I'd have to say that the coaches and management have thrown just as many balls into the dirt (with their player personel, media and management moves) as McNabb has.

So it's a tie. They've all done a horrible job, and they all deserve to be kicked to the curb.

But you have to believe that Danny's going to stick with this new group for a while longer, so probably only Donovan gets the boot.

The thing that worries me the most right now is that The Skins will have a 'once in a lifetime opportunity' this off-season to really fix a lot of what's wrong with this team. Between the draft class coming out, the trade opportunities we have, and the special way FA's will be available this year ... we could really make out like a bandit if some smart moves are made.

I just haven't seen many smart moves made around here lately.

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | December 29, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

McNabb gets the much better end of that deal. The ones getting screwed are the other 52 people stuck having to play for that pathetic, 10 years and counting, "rebuilding" team.

Posted by: tigger0705 | December 29, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

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