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One candidate, who talked of privatizing Social Security, also declared that pregnant rape victims should make the "lemon situation into lemonade."

Another candidate says he has reservations about the 46-year-old Civil Rights Act.

Another candidate says unemployment benefits aren't authorized by the Constitution.

And the latest tea party favorite, among other things, defaulted on her mortgage, didn't take the college courses she claimed, and is on tape criticizing masturbation and blabbing about dabbling in witchcraft.

Much of the media are portraying the likes of Sharron Angle, Joe Miller, Rand Paul and now Christine O'Donnell as wacky extremists. That may prove to be unduly dismissive.

To be sure, journalists have every right to unearth past statements about retirement benefits and civil rights by Republican nominees who are now trying to fudge their records. And it's certainly fair to question, in O'Donnell's case, why she made $6,000 over the last year, sued her former employer for gender discrimination and who once said that "homosexuals' special rights groups can get away with so much more than nobody else can," including "perversion."

In a normal year, the accumulation of rhetoric and might be enough to send a candidate down to defeat. But this is not a normal year.

And here's the thing: the slightly mocking tone with which some journalists are portraying these tea party conservatives is probably helping them with the broad swath of voters who don't much trust the media. If some of these voters are fed up with the establishment, that would include the establishment press. O'Donnell, for one, has cleverly brushed aside questions about her checkered finances by saying that helps her identify with struggling workers.

I don't immediately associate having dabbled in witchcraft with senatorial service. But if see the 11-year-old Bill Maher clip one more time I'm going to feel like making my TV set disappear. The thing went so viral in 24 hours that it now looks like open mockery. Debra Saunders of the San Francisco Chronicle told me that the media were acting like the cool kids making O'Donnell the geek. Now that we're turning her into the witchy woman, I'm sure some voters will ask, what's this got to do with me?

The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder has a different thesis:

"Wackiness will always cut through the clutter. But the difference this cycle is that wackiness has been MAINSTREAMED. Hecklers and provocateurs have been mainstreamed...
"Look at our fascination with reality shows and pornography...

"But all the reality shows -- and the characters who have been mainstreamed and are now a part of our lives, people who we would otherwise encounter when we browsed the tabloids at the supermarket -- have conditioned us for 'wild and woolly' candidates. Culture bleeds into politics, and the other way around...

"But why do audiences accept them? I think that elite media derision, as it always has, helps to legitimize people for a large segment of the American public that believe themselves to be at odds with the establishment."

Reality shows? Well, GOP strategist Mark McKinnon notes that Wisconsin congressional candidate Sean Duffy is not only a world-class lumberjack but an MTV reality star:

"These conservative candidates are not professional politicians. They sometimes say the wrong thing. They often irritate the self-anointed because their pasts are not pedigreed. And they sometimes have 'real people' problems.

"While there may be a few fruitcakes among the bunch and some may be flawed--as if those already in D.C. aren't--they are real. And some of them are real interesting....

"Christine O'Donnell may want to put Chris Matthews and Charles Krauthammer on her payroll. Every time she is ridiculed, the cash register rings."

The conventional wisdom is that these are weaker November candidates--that, for instance, O'Donnell's win over moderate congressman Mike Castle has flipped Delaware from a sure GOP victory to a likely Democratic win. That could still prove to be true. Thirty thousand Republican primary votes, which is what O'Donnell got, is a far cry from carrying a state.

But after being wrong about Scott Brown, Bob Bennett and Lisa Murkowski, among others, I'm not sure the media really have a handle on the nature and magnitude of this Republican revolt. And if they're wrong, all the derision in the world may not stop Angle, Paul and O'Donnell from becoming United States senators.



By Howard Kurtz  | September 20, 2010; 10:00 PM ET
Categories:  Latest stories, Top story  | Tags:  Christine O'Donnell, Joe Miller, Rand Paul, Sharron Angle, Tea party, media  
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Its nothing more than hypocrisy.

Liberals are godless heathens but dating on a blood soaked satanic alter is fine (and seriously, I did wacky stuff in high school but was never stupid enough to hang out with satan worshipers and "witches")

Balance the budget but dont touch my medicare even tho I hate government run health care even tho I am on it (derr)

Gimme tax cuts and balance the budget even tho they add to the deficit

They offer no specifics. Nothing. where is the policy detail?

Posted by: Chops2 | September 20, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"Another candidate says unemployment benefits aren't authorized by the Constitution."

The wars started by Bush were not authorized by the Constitution. War is the ultimate big-government racket.

Posted by: David77 | September 20, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I believe liberals, progressive Jews, blacks in thrall to the Democrat machine, and Obama's media lapdogs made some huge mistakes about a rising tide of populism and the Tea Party people and sympathizers.

Starting off with sneering condescention and homosexual community's pet smears like "Teabaggers" - by the likes of Anderson Cooper and mainstream reporters and Obama's mouthpiece Gibbs looks particularly stupid in hindsight.

Democrats deriding moderates and Reagan Democrats as stupid people and loons for being concerned about Obamacare and multitrillion dollar deficits has effectively driven them over to the Republican Party, which have grave sins of their own in Tea Partier's eyes - but who at least respect and listen to their concerns and issues.

Progressive jews talking about shutting down media coverage of Tea Party events, acting as "gatekeepers" and discussing how to "spin stories" about them to help Obama - did not go over well. "Journolist" and the Jewish liberal community's savage demonization of Sarah Palin and her concerns in Hollywood, in comedy...seemed over the top to many Americans. Even those that saw Palin as a ninny had a hard time fathoming the hatred of the women coming from progressive Jews.

Blacks blundered badly when they had leaders that mindlessly followed the Dem Party line, then threw out weekly taunts of "racist" at the movement and capped their demonization with a false "Ni$$ah" cry by black Congressmen walking through a Tea Party event - when detailed video review showed the black congressmen inc. the "esteemed and venerated civil rights hero John Lewis" - made it up and were lying their butts off trying to play the race card against the protestors.

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | September 20, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

As a resident of Southern Delaware, I can attest to how far off base the media are. All we heard was: Castle is a lock. The media does not realize the frustration of the average citizen who has to live with a health care program that Congress will not be a part of. The media is not listening.

Posted by: sportsfan2 | September 20, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"The wars started by Bush were not authorized by the Constitution. War is the ultimate big-government racket.

Posted by: David77"

Pacifist drivel. America cannot formally declare war because they have bought into the treaties clause on the Constitution that treaties supercede language in the Constitution.
Meaning the UN Charter outlawing declarations of war holds, and nations wishing to declare war have to use other diplomatic language like "police action, self-defense response, authorization to use military force to restore the peace". The last nation to formally declare war was the Soviet Union on Japan in August 1945, before the UN CHarter was signed.

Congress and constutional scholars say the Lefties and pacifists are wrong, that AUMFs are fine and the formal declaration of war is archaic language that along with other historical clutter like emouluments and letters of Marque for Pirates and anchor baby citizenship - something that eventually has to be cleaned up.

By 534-1 Congress voted with Bush on the Afghanistan AUMF.

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | September 20, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Let's see,

Hillary Clinton held seances attempting to channel the likes of Eleanor Roosevelt and Ghandi, and Nancy Reagan consulted with her astrologer; not while they were in high school, but while they occupied the White House. Hmmmmm.

Posted by: starbucks1 | September 20, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party and its candidates must scare the holy living heck out of the MSM. It would appear, from the concentration on the Tea Party, there is absolutely nothing else going on in the USA.

Keep it up MSM. We know exactly where you're coming from.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | September 20, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

For many months, the media has ridiculed Sarah Palin and her family. They are the ones responsible for her success.

The mood in the country is really ugly for career politicians from both parties, especially the Democrats. The media is preaching to the choir.

Posted by: alance | September 20, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

This new candidate deserves to be mocked.
She is a religious nutter who might just give the mad hatter a run for his money and the tea party and the GOP should be down right ashamed of having any type of association with her.

This candidate shows just how out there the tea party is--if they support people like this then they have no business running our country--Our Government is screwed up enough add these nutters to the mix and we might as well just call it a day and go back to feudal tribalism.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | September 20, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Most of the media has already been dismissed by the public, look at polls regarding the low regard the public has for journalists in the polls. This dismissal for journalists has been exacerbated by the perceived lack of scrutiny of Mr. Obama and his policies before the last election. The result is the irony that the more the press derides Tea party candidates, especially by journalists that are clearly pro Democratic, the more good they do for them.

Posted by: sceptic5 | September 20, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Well now, Howie, YOU managed to get all your wacky wacks in... under the guise of accusing other "journalists" of wacky wack jobs. Slick Howie.

Posted by: TexGEOas | September 20, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Do any of you here defending her care that her mantra is fiscal conservatism and adherance to the law yet misuses funds, cant pay her debts and lies about basic things such as having a degree?

How can u balance a state budget if you cant balance your own, especially when its as tiny as hers?

If I was a voter in delaware I would be concerned by the ease at which she buys into reigious and spiritual hocus pocus and her fiscal irresponsibility cause she may spend the budget on magic beans

Posted by: Chops2 | September 20, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I was gonna go 'n git my friends down at the Megachurch by the Walmart and start up a 501(c) group called "Concerned Grass Rootz Sitizens Agin' The Devil Witch Runnin' fer Senate". We wuz gonna git big fundin' from every Wall Street fatcat there is who's afraid of gubmint oversight of his various rackets. Then we wuz gonna run commershulls 'n scare ever' last soccer momma in Amurica that O'Donnell wuz plannin' on recruitin' their kids into SATANISM.

But then I realized she was a Republican. No problem with the witchcraft thingie. And don't forget where your bread's buttered when you get in - tax cuts for the wealthy, like a good Republican.

Tea Party 2010!
"Grass Roots Citizens for Wall Street"

Posted by: TriCorneredHead | September 20, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Aw, shucks Mr. Kurtz. It's simpler than all that. The people are just waking up to Conservative Values (tm). In Christine O'Donnell they see someone who exemplifies what the Conservative Movement is ALL about:

- personal fiscal responsibility

- faithfulness with other people's money

- honesty about one's academic record

and most importantly,

- a "live and let live" attitude when it comes to what people do in their own bedrooms

It's obvious that her Conservative Values just resonate with these ordinary Americans. But you as an elite educated person just can't see it. Maybe if you didn't have that fancy college edumucation and had a little brain damage like all of us, you'd be able to see her as we do!

Tea Party 2010!
"Taking America Back - Waaay Back"

Posted by: TriCorneredHead | September 20, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

It "looks like open mockery" because it it AND IT SHOULD BE. These nutty fringe lunatics only deserved to be mocked, not to be taken seriously.

Posted by: princeleo | September 21, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

If we can elect someone President who was a habitual drug user as a youth, has friendships as an adult with an avowed terrorist and an America-hating "minister," and has shady financial deals - including one for his own home - with a convicted felon....

....then I think it's OK to elect someone Senator who went through a goth period when she was in high school.

But Kurtz has one thing right. The media has zero credibility anymore.

Keep the lame, pointless and irrelevant attacks coming. Our attack will be at the polls on Nov. 2.

Posted by: etpietro | September 21, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Howard you are missing the point. Half of this country is so angry and so upset that they will elect ANYONE with an R after their name without any semblance of clear-headed thought about the abilities and backgrounds of the candidates. The media has aided and abetted this insanity by treating all arguments as equal no matter how wrong one side was. It is disgraceful and it is troubling that our country might be turned over to folks who would rip the guts out of the various safety nets that have moved millions from poverty to a dignified existence. You have someone running for the doggone Senate who has never held a full time job, who has lied about her past, who can't pay her bills and I couldn't care less if she dabbled in anything 20 plus years ago. I am more upset that some folks in Delaware think someone that none of them would go to for advice on any of life's tough decisions is somehow fit to provide advice and consent to the President, vote on treatys, determine foreign policy, make a judgement to send my son to war and on and on. You can be angry with your government --- that is our birthright. But for God's sake, don't express your anger by nominating and fielding candidates so uniquely unqualified.

Posted by: army164 | September 21, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Give me a (#*A5& break. She's asking to be a SENATOR. For the love of anything, don't you think that requires something more than the beliving in any irrational fad that comes your way. Yes, it IS ELISTEST to expect that our congress people should be the best, brightest and most rational.

Which just goes to show that the republican press really DOES hate america because they want the incompetents in office and are offended when someone says the emperor, or in this case, former witch is a blooming idiot.

Posted by: ed_robinson | September 21, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The author states:

"And here's the thing: the slightly mocking tone with which some journalists are portraying these tea party conservatives is probably helping them with the broad swath of voters who don't much trust the media."

without a shred of evidence. The WP has really gone downhill these past ten years.

Posted by: Samster2 | September 21, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

When did Republicans become such pathetic victims?

The Lame-Stream Media isn't Liberal, it's Corporate.

Posted by: BornAgainAmerican | September 21, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

The author further states:

"And if they're wrong, all the derision in the world may not stop Angle, Paul and O'Donnell from becoming United States senators."

which is equivalent to say if they are wrong then they are wrong. DUH. But tell us why you think they are wrong. The sentence that preceeds the quoted does not support any claim other than "the media is not always right". Well DUH again. Can journalists think let alone write anymore?

Posted by: Samster2 | September 21, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

The thing the media and Obama's lemmings keep missing is that these Tea Party candidates were genuinely chosen by ordinary voters. Calling them "whack jobs" and "tea baggers" is an insult to voters, showing just how far removed from them the media and self appointed elite and political class are. Keep it up....PLEASE! At this rate, you are digging yourselves into a hole you can never climb out of.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 21, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Hey Howard! The coolest thing about our whack-job movement is that our favorite Fair & Balanced (tm) News channel, Fox, is now funding Bob Ehrlich's gubernatorial campaign in Maryland. Yep, that's right. A NEWS organization is now backing a candidate with loads of money! Pretty cool, eh?

We tea partiers watch Fox to learn what we should think about things. We buy their advertisers' products, who pay NewsCorp for our faithful attention to their ads... and then NewsCorp gives $1 million of that to the Republican Governor's Association.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013876-503544.html

And then, voila! Quietly, the RGA funds Bob Ehrlich's Republican campaign for Governor!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/20/AR2010092006110.html

Didja ever think a "news" channel would ever be doing something like that? Pretty neat eh? What do you suppose Walter Cronkite would think? Well, Walter was a straight-laced stiff, anyway.

Tea Party 2010!

Posted by: TriCorneredHead | September 21, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

It's hard for the media and people on the left to understand the anger that seems to drive the Tea Party. From the liberal point of view, conservatives ran the country for like ten years and screwed it up royally, and now they're mad as hell. They should be apologizing for what they did to this country--not just Bush but his congressional lap dogs as well--but instead, they're going to ride a wave of anger back to D.C. and to control congress. It's simple: up is down and down is up.

Posted by: writinron | September 21, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that mocking these candidates for the purely outlandish things they get up and purposely speak into a microphone is not a bad thing. These are not off-the-record statements. It would be better if the media did a rigorous analysis of the candidates' policy proposals and their likely impact. But that sort of activity takes some detailed work by the media. Oh, yes, and it requires that these candidates actually lay out detailed policies, show up at candidate debates and do real interviews with real reporters. Mostly these candidates make rabble-rousing declarations in settings where they go unchallenged and traffic in fear, hate, knee-jerk opposition and fragments of revenant John Bircherisms. What other way is there to reveal these people for what they are? In fact, a couple of these candidates are pretty unqualified and don't offer much serious material to report on.

For example, when they say restore the Constitution, what specifically do they think that means? Go back to slavery, end direct election of senators, go back to suffrage for white males only?

If candidates won't engage in a serious debate of ideas, what is the media supposed to do?

Posted by: cassandra9 | September 21, 2010 2:18 AM | Report abuse

It is fun and far less work for the media to go the "we report, you decide" route as if every position in a debate is equally worthy. It would be instructive, but boring for some viewers, to follow Tea Party proposals to their logical conclusions. Do you really want to dump Social Security recipients? They contributed to Social Security for a lifetime of hard work. Some of them have little else in the way of retirement income. And you propose to get rid of that? Is that the Christian thing to do? You say you want smaller government. The limit would be, say, to eliminate all cabinet-level departments except the Treasury, the State Department, and the War Department. That way America's most profitable businesses can have their way with consumers and non-management employees like never before. Some tenth graders have a better grasp of civics than these numbskulls. And don't get me started on the prospect of unite-ing the government with some reactionary church group.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | September 21, 2010 3:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't hate O'Donnell because she can't manage to pay her mortgage, or because she occasionally says dumb things, or because she doesn't come across as very bright always. Anyone can have trouble with those things at times, I say stupid things frequently in fact.

I hate her for the things she believes, and the nasty hateful ideas she promotes. They're gross, irrational, and very mean.

Posted by: Nymous | September 21, 2010 3:57 AM | Report abuse

Kurtz apparently doesn't understand that the role of journalism is to investigate candidates and report objectively to inform and protect the people. American journalism has failed in this task for the last 30 years. So now a few journalists are questioning O'Donnell, perhaps because Karl Rove said it was OK, and now Kurtz is complaining.

Posted by: dougd1 | September 21, 2010 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Wackos, kooks, geeks, sounds like Congress and the Administration. These folks could do no worse. Line up over here for the ticket to ride.

Posted by: Tamerack | September 21, 2010 5:50 AM | Report abuse

One of the commenters here said the media isn't listening. I agree. Look at the Fenty defeat in D.C., which came after Fenty got incredibly fawning reviews from the Washington Post and the Post's endorsement. If they are looking at the MSM, voters are voting the other way. Candidates are refusing to go to editorial board meetings, and voters are applauding and polls show their approval ratings are increasing as a result. Even Obama now is feeling the heat, in spite of all the unbelievably positive stories about him and his family. Look at that town hall meeting this week where even Obama supporters said they are frustrated and exhausted trying to support him. It used to be print that isn't trusted. Now it is all the MSM. The country is a rebellious mood and all institutions are taking it on the chin.

Posted by: edwardallen54 | September 21, 2010 6:07 AM | Report abuse

The media has been slanting and distorting the news for many many years. The arrogance of their activities is well documented and is known by all. Only the media itself does not see what they do. The people are fed up with the crap and the tea party movement is just the beginning of political, economic, and social activitism that is coming. The media can only blame themselves. They have not listened, did not learn and are arrogant in their stupidity

Posted by: phaire | September 21, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Of course the media is mocking O'donnell, this same media mocked Bob McDonnell, Chris Christy, Senator Brown, Rand Paul, and the other Tea party and/or conservative canidates. The media mocked a California Gpvernor named Ronald Reagan as well, recalling his "Bedtime for Bonzo" movie........guess who got the last laugh?

Posted by: Realist201 | September 21, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Oh, Howard, dear Howard, you are SUCH a tool!

Posted by: nicekid | September 21, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

WOW - the media is mocking her please tell me how? She made the comments herself and the media is playing them because they make her look a little or maybe a lot kooky.

Posted by: rlj611 | September 21, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

The math isn't very difficult: 1) I am 44 yrs old and never heard a liberal seriously discuss Gov't debt and spending; 2) The Tea Party types talk about no more debt; 3) The debt and poor Washington fiscal policy appears to be a major roadblock to economic recovery. Hence, the Tea Party is going to continue to be a factor.

I just don't see how liberals, with their income re-distributionist attitude and unwillingness to acknowledge spending deficits year-after-year, can continue to thrive as a political force.

Posted by: JohnnyGee | September 21, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Count me as one Democrat firmly in the ranks of those warning against assuming that the Tea Party wackos actually serve the Democratic cause. Complacency could lead to disaster. The rise of the wackos has, at best, provided the Democrats with the opportunity, not a certainty, to benefit. The difficulty will be in trying to fashion a response that takes into account the genuine grievances of millions of Americans without sacrificing core Democratic values or becoming little more than a mirror image of the wackos. So far, I'm not sure the Democrats are succeeding.

The problem is compounded by the lack of leadership or a firm political sense on the part of President Obama. The vacuum in the White House was largely responsible for ceding the agenda to the Republicans to begin with.

Meanwhile, am I the only American who remembers Sarah Palin's own link to witchcraft? There was a video widely circulated in 2008--it was on YouTube--of Palin being called down to the well of her church to receive a blessing from the preacher--who, among other things, engaged in real witch hunts, found the witches, and neutralized them. This is no joke, people. Palin's pastor really does wage warfare against witches.

So now we have no less than one Republican Senatorial candidate and one likely presidential candidate who accept the reality of witches. This is what the Republican Party has come to.

Posted by: tbarksdl | September 21, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

If the GOP had their way, a woman who was raped by an illegal alien would be forced to have the child of rape, then they would deny the child citizenship.

These are some dangerously stupid people. They're mean, they're nasty, they make their religious sects look evil, and they're un-American. It's the duty of the rest of us to make sure they do not get the chance to write their stupidity into law.

Posted by: Nymous | September 21, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Whatever we did from the age we realised what we were doing, defines who we are now. It doesn't matter being good or bad. From that moment and as we age we make some modification to make it look better and acceptable. A good example is the current president. At age 11 he wrote an essay about being a President, and where is he now!
I fully support what comes now showing what people did in the past. After all they are still the same people at a different stage!

Posted by: fridamulindayahoocouk | September 21, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

We need people in Congress who will cast the votes to STOP SPENDING.

Who will do that - Coons or O'Donnell??

As for the mainstream media - well, YOUR behavior proved during the Obama campaign, and since his infiltration into the white house - that YOU can no longer be trusted. We suspected this for a long time - but you finally proved it without a shadow of doubt.

Most people I know, skim right over most of the bunk you put out....MSM reporting is so biased it has become entertainment, and mediocre at that!!

Posted by: StopGovtBondage | September 21, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

As much as O'Donnell may be a flawed candidate, this latest round of attacks on her from Maher is irresponsible journalism. His threat against her is that he has dirt, and unless she comes on his show for an interview, he's going to keep releasing more dirt.

Excuse me, but that's extortion.

If Maher is a journalist, which he is not--he's a comedian--then he ought to simple judge whether the material he has is credible and newsworthy and then make a decision about whether to release it. Trying to force O'Donnell into appearing on his show, which would be a boon to Maher's own ratings, shows that Maher is nothing more that a self-serving twit. I mean, seriously, he's going to release an embarrassing clip every week until she appears on his show? This isn't journalism; it's infantilism. Maher doesn't hold the high ground; he's in the sewer.

In all of this, O'Donnell should be the one who ends up embarrassed, but in reality the media is simply showing its stripes. But giving Maher a platform in embarrassing O'Donnell, they are little more than accomplices in the extortion plot.

Posted by: blert | September 21, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

It is also interesting, if not again hypocritical - that the progressives want to hammer O'Donnell for something she said as a teenager - and yet....

Progressives are fine with all the highly questionable comments and actions by the Obama's - even as recent as a few years ago to current.

Michelle Obama, our Material Girl, only proud of her country because her husband became a rock star....

Posted by: StopGovtBondage | September 21, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Kurtz is a stand-up guy. The MSM is bouncing around with glee over the fact the Tea Party is willing to put ordinary people in office vice the Boxer/Kerry type of elitists.

Refreshing unlike the black lies in the Cohen article today -- oh and the WP hasn't even opened up Cohen's blog/probably worried about the GOP wave overflowing their servers.

Posted by: pararanger22 | September 21, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

A substantial part of this problem is that "the media" include both real journalists and lots of opinionators and hack bloggers. This makes it easy to criticize "the media," when in fact the vast majority of the garbage out there comes from the media fringes.

The mainstream/old fashioned media shares a lot of responsibility, because in an effort to remain viable and appear hip, they give a microphone to "commentators," hack bloggers and a busload of so-called "experts".

I miss the news.

Posted by: brian_away | September 21, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Kurtz is a stand-up guy. The MSM is bouncing around with glee over the fact the Tea Party is willing to put ordinary people in office vice the Boxer/Kerry type of elitists.

Posted by: pararanger22 | September 21, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

==

Ugh. Didn't you folks learn your lesson from Bush? I don't want "ordinary people".

Hey, why don't you just go see an "ordinary" person next time you need to see a doctor (those MD's are just elitists anyways)

Posted by: mikem1 | September 21, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

The witchcraft incident never happened. Look at the tape where O'Donnell says she is not making this up. Of course she is. She also made up a tale in her acceptance speech about a returning vet who was repeatedly spat upon. She is a serial confabulator who says what ever comes to her mind if it gets attention or makes a point. The psychological term for this behavior is "psychopath". She will fit right in the senate.

Posted by: coastalip | September 21, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, but if these were Democratic instead of Tea Party candidates, the conservatives would be mocking them senseless with their snarky attitude. Limbaugh alone would be relentless.

They did this to Bill Clinton, Al Gore and Barack Obama using statements they made even decades earlier as political ammunition. And how many times was the "i did not have sex with that woman" clip from Clinton played or the Howard Dean scream. The same "liabilities" they claim to see in opponents, they defend in their own Tea Party candidates.

O'Donnell has repeatedly lied about her past, her finances, her positions and her primary opponent. If the press documenting and pointing this out increases her support, it proves the Tea Party have no principles, it's just a matter of winning at all costs.

Posted by: LestWeThink | September 21, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

"Wack job journalism"

If the media told the truth, we wouldn't have this problem. Instead they favor a candidate, party and make stuff up to support their stories.

It is no wonder that newspaper sales are drying up and people are not watching some "News" channels anymore.

Look for a rise in citizen journalism, and a decline in main stream media.Oh, wait, it is already happening!

Posted by: JBfromFL | September 21, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Much like when SNL simply used the transcript of the palin interviews verbatim, one does not have to "mock" these candidates to make them appear crazy and clueless. They ARE crazy and clueless. Calling a dog a dog is not an insult. It is not a mockery to say Will Farrell is goofy, or South Park survivies on fart jokes. Reporting the words of, showing the video of these people saying ad doing crazy things is not mockery. It is hysterical, but it is really disturbing that republicons actually think these people are qualified for office. Any office. They are not even qualified to run a 7-11.

Posted by: John1263 | September 21, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Why this assumption that "ordinary people" should do this kind of work? We are not talking about mopping floors at miceky D's, we are talking about making the laws to govern the most powerful and wealthiest nation in the history of mankind. I would not hire a plumber to do heart surgery. He/she might be the best plumber in the world, but would be wholly unqualified for the task

Posted by: John1263 | September 21, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Oh dear, the Washington Post (among many others) changed the standard of "things a pol can do and still be endorsed by the elite media." Now of course they and their buds are shocked that the electorate cares little that candidates have whacky pasts. Guess they never considered the possibility that the right also had supporters willing to overlook witchcraft, tax delinquency, et. al. They are now highlighting these whacky characteristics after ignoring the many, many whacky Obama history. The lack of records-school, college, medical; the lack of job history, the Marxist Black Liberation Theology associations; the race based promotions and college entrance details; his fun trip to sunny, friendly Pakistan; his candidacy on the New Socialist Party of Illinois; his Austrian language; his "Oreeon" pronunciation for Orion; corpseman for corpsman; his 57 states; tuition payments from Khalidi and Ayers; his "dabbling" in cocaine; his rude dissing of American professions, occupations, industries, jobs; almost free gifts of land from criminals like Rezko (he hasn't given it back and nothing has been done about it); his appointments of Communists, truthers, tax cheats and anti capitalists; his race baiting and comments about taking money earned by Americans and giving it to those who did not earn it. This just goes on and on and on and Howie and his buds never wrote a word about it. Now the standard has been lowered and what's good for the goose is good for the gander and we all suffer, don't we? Vote for the witch! It's important.

Posted by: lavistabb | September 21, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

GOP strategist Mark McKinnon notes [...]: "These conservative candidates are not professional politicians. They sometimes say the wrong thing. They often irritate the self-anointed because their pasts are not pedigreed. And they sometimes have 'real people' problems."

Once again the GOP attempts to sew division by manufacturing another "us vs. them" strawman. So now, in the eyes of this 'strategist' I am not a "real person" because I've never defaulted on a loan, I've never neglected to pay my taxes, never lied to anyone about the extent of my education, never tried to pay my doctor in chickens, nor never argued that the Constitution was intended to protect the rights of all citizens equally even if those citizens engage in otherwise harmless behavior that I might find offensive. Well thanks for that, conservatives. You've put forth an amazingly convincing argument as to your suitability to be the self-appointed gatekeepers of what it means to be an American.

Posted by: washpost18 | September 21, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Yes, ridicule has its limits as well as its down side, but surely it's not inappropriate to ridicule the ridiculous, is it? Whatever party they might be in, or however much the Great Unwashed may like them.

In fact Jefferson once said that that ridicule is the final defense against nonsense. Clearly, reasoned argument has not and will not convince them, but at least they most of them can grasp gut-level mockery.

Just a thought.

Posted by: YondCassius | September 21, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Howie writes, "To be sure, journalists have every right to unearth past statements about retirement benefits and civil rights by Republican nominees who are now trying to fudge their records."

Hmmm, I wonder why he specified "Republican nominees." Why didn't he say "all nominees."

Posted by: MrCleaveland | September 21, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

owie writes, "To be sure, journalists have every right to unearth past statements about retirement benefits and civil rights by Republican nominees who are now trying to fudge their records."

Hmmm, I wonder why he specified "Republican nominees." Why didn't he say "all nominees."

Posted by: MrCleaveland | September 21, 2010 8:48 AM
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Because the Republicans stand by their wackjobs. Wackjobs are an important part of the base. In contrast, when the Dems ended up with a loser candidate in the SC Senate race, they immediately cut him loose.

What Howie fails to acknowledge is that these candidacies are in large part the fault of the press that refused during the Bush years to hold Republicans responsible for failure. If you think that there are two sides to every issue, even when one side is the truth, and the other is delusion, don't be surprised when more and more candidates represent the delusional side of the spectrum.

Posted by: oldabandonedbeachhouse | September 21, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

When foreign leaders make major "unfactual" claims, like Mbeki saying HIV doesn't cause AIDS, or Ahmadinejad denying the Holocaust, we rightly mock and criticize them.

Same should be the case when our politicians or contenders to office make flat-out bizarre claims. Sometimes it's not just a matter of difference of opinion.

Posted by: hitpoints | September 21, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

As regards Ms. O'Donnell's dabbling in the black arts, far more disturbing than the content of her confession was her demeanor. She's appears to be of the cheerleader/beauty queen ilk, who believes, and did then, that any publicity is good publicity. Sound like anyone else we were introuduced to approximately 2 years ago?

Posted by: elkofan | September 21, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Folks on the left think the American public is too stupid to run their own lifes. they consider folks in flyover country ignorant Wal mart shoppers who must be saved from their own stupidity.

Folks on the right think the American publis is to immoral or amoral and they must help us run our own lives so we don't marry some from our own sex or if we are heterosexual don't masturbate, have sexual intercourse in something besides the missionary position and God forbid we shouldn't be performing oral sex on each other.

90%+ of the American public just want to be left alone with a govt that is reasonably effective, not to large, does the best job it can on national security, doesn't tax us too much and stays out of our lives. It is not the govt's job to help us make the right choice through sin taxes or tax policy or to promote fuel efficient cars and trucks. We want the chance to f'up our lives w/o any help from the left or right.
Please go away. Leave us alone!!!!

Posted by: sheepherder | September 21, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Boo effing hoo. Nutbag O'Donnell can't balance her own checkbook, yet the teatards think she can help balance the federal budget.

Right, sure, that makes sense.

And you people wonder why you and your moron candidates are mocked.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 21, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

oldabandonedbeachhouse writes, "[T]he Republicans stand by their wackjobs" and Dems cut theirs loose.

Does the name Kucinich ring a bell? Or "Waters" perhaps? Fortney "Pete" Stark maybe? Major Owens?

Anything?

Posted by: MrCleaveland | September 21, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

As usual, Howard Kurtz makes a lot of sense. Much of Palin's (Ready to be president? Nope.) popularity probably derives from the public reaction to the tsunami of condescending ridicule she has been the object of since day-one of McCain's choosing her, from liberals, some of whom, Palin's faults aside, would be nowhere without their imagined sophistication.
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Border Enforcement + Immigration Moratorium = Job, Crime and Eco Sanity.

Posted by: tma_sierrahills | September 21, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Coons a self professed MARXIST? Didn't Obama "Dabble in COCAINE"?
You idiots are worried about something she did as a TEENAGER?
Open your eyes. We've ALREADY got a MARXIST in the White House. How's that working out? We've had LIBERAL PROGRESSIVES in control of BOTH HOUSES of CONGRESS for the last 4 YEARS. How's THAT working out?
You're worried that some guy took her out to some "Satanic Alter" in the woods, on a date, in HIGH SCHOOL? Or that she can't balance her CHECK BOOK? How are these DEMOCRATS doing, balancing OUR CHECKBOOK. How's our Muslim President doing, BALANCING OUR CHECKBOOK?
Are you people R*TARDED?

Posted by: GoomyGommy | September 21, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey Howard! The coolest thing about our whack-job movement is that our favorite Fair & Balanced (tm) News channel, Fox, is now funding Bob Ehrlich's gubernatorial campaign in Maryland. Yep, that's right. A NEWS organization is now backing a candidate with loads of money! Pretty cool, eh?

We tea partiers watch Fox to learn what we should think about things. We buy their advertisers' products, who pay NewsCorp for our faithful attention to their ads... and then NewsCorp gives $1 million of that to the Republican Governor's Association.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20013876-503544.html

And then, voila! Quietly, the RGA funds Bob Ehrlich's Republican campaign for Governor!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/20/AR2010092006110.html

Didja ever think a "news" channel would ever be doing something like that? Pretty neat eh? What do you suppose Walter Cronkite would think? Well, Walter was a straight-laced stiff, anyway.

Tea Party 2010!

Posted by: TriCorneredHead
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Hey, genius. Do you believe that General Electric does not make huge political contributions? Or Viacom? Or Disney?

Moron.

But I like how you think you're breaking some "secret news story" that the RGA is funding the campaign of -- oh my God! -- a Republican gubernatorial candidate.

Nice investigative journalism there.

Posted by: etpietro | September 21, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

O'Donnell is eminently mockable, but the media is overdoing it. She seems to be virtually incapable of opening her mouth without sticking both feet in it. Angle is just as foolish. The fact that both these women are considered serious contenders for office says a lot less about them than it does about American voters. If they were Democrats they could claim to owe trillions of dollars in back taxes and no one but Fox News would so much as bat an eye, so there is definitely some bias. That doesn't alter the fact that neither woman is fit for public office.

Posted by: meand2 | September 21, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

ChrisFord1: Keep talking, please! Your idiotic, racist rants are the best tool the Democrats have to get out the vote. (You wouldn't happen to be white, fat, old, and dependant on government benefits that you (& nobody else!) deserve, now, would you?)

Posted by: nyskinsdiehard | September 21, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I didn't learn about Christine O'Donnell from "the media." I learned about her from wikipedia. So don't pretend that the media is picking on these people. The media is the wind beneath their wings, and here's why: They're all corporatists.
Shame on you.

Posted by: martymar123 | September 21, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

That Angle, O'Donnell and Paul have a good shot of winning are proof positive of how totally extreme Republican politics has become. Hard to respect anyone who would vote for these clowns.

Posted by: chop1 | September 21, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Of course, this same thing happened to Al Franken when he ran for Senator two years ago. Comedy skits he wrote a quarter-century ago were deemed invaluable indicators of what kind of legislator he would make. In fact, earlier this year the Washington Post wrote a hatchet piece on Senator Franken, still obsessing about his former career as a comedian. So the Tea Partiers have nothing to complain about here - they have been just as snarky about the past lives of some of their opponents.
But it's good to know that Kurtz has signed up to run interference for the Partiers. I'm surprised that it took this long.....

Posted by: gmcduluth | September 21, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Good point. Wack job journalism. Dare I say Wack job liberal journalism ?

If Christine O'Donnell was a full-fledged Democratic Wiccan, the media would be protecting her ! Calling conservative Karl Rove a bigot ! Arguing religious freedom and diversity !!

Imagine how they would support her IF she'd left a drowning girl in her car ? or was the privileged wife of a rich serial womanizer ? or had a rich grandmother ?

She'd be well not just Senatorial material but Presidential material as well !

Liberal wack job hypocrisy !

Posted by: pvilso24 | September 21, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

the thing that mibrooks and others like him don't understand is that millions of Americans that aren't TPer's/GOP are pissed off at the disrespect and disgusting and historically frightening names, insults, signs, threats, etc...that the Right has thrown at the duly-elected President. The TP/GOP have constantly insulted the voter's overwhelming choice, and their intelligence if they think that the first time voters, and those who discovered the power of their $20 donation with Obama are going to go away or stay home because of the screetching from the Right. So someone who is on unemployment benifits is going to vote for someone who wants to deny them that help? Who is going to vote for someone who doesn't want you to be able to get healthcare without having to sell your house?
are Americans really that stupid???
The world is waitng and watching to see...

Posted by: katem1 | September 21, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


The liberal MSM hypocrisy is deafening.

If the MSM had vetted the Democrats and Obama (maybe they did and buried the evidence) the way they've done to conservative candidates, our country wouldn't be in the economical mess in which we now find ourselves.

BTW, the liberal MSM hasn't printed much on the debate O'Donnell had with Coons (the Democrate nominee) the day after she won the Primary.

She did well against her opponents. Even The Hill agreed. And since none of the liberal MSM are running with it, you KNOW she did well.

Instead, the Journolistas would rather dwell on trivial drivel said years ago on a talk show about her younger years.

Wonder why the Journolistas didn't make such a fuss about Obama snorting cocaine as he has himself confirmed or his ties to the SDS in college?

Posted by: janet8 | September 21, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party movement is a big movement with lots of rational people within it, people tired of the double-dealing from BOTH parties. I fault the media for purposely focusing on the 'fringe' members of the Tea Party instead of actually doing stories examining what the rational members want to see change in Washington. The mass media is too lazy to do that - it's easier (and serves their own agenda).

Posted by: Georgetowner1 | September 21, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

goomygommy wrote: Isn't Coons a self professed MARXIST?
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No, he isn't.

How can we elect good leaders if our comprehension abilities are so low?

Posted by: hitpoints | September 21, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Once Al Franken was elected a Senator, no choice is too bizarre.

Posted by: capsfan77 | September 21, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The thing is the Tea Party keeps electing nutty people so we think that is who you want. And we are talking major nutty here. Witchcraft, satanic worship and O"Donnell did not start it; Palin had a witchdoctor perform an exorcism on her disabled child in the womb. That video was played and played and played and the r ight apparently has not problem with these practices. Let's face it; America has a significant number of people who live in a world most of us don't know and don't want to know. Throw in the racism, zenophobia, etc. - not the American I grew up in.

Posted by: withersb | September 21, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

No wack jobs on the Dem side? WaPo won't be giving them up. Closely kept secret by by Journolist. Do you have a secret handshake or do you just have to bash a Republic to get into the door?

Posted by: bethg1841 | September 21, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

If O'Donnell wasn't a tea party candidate she would be considered unqualified to hold public office. The only reasons she is getting any attention now, is the media's fascination with the tea party. Usually, a person misuses campaign funds, lies on the resume, lies about what colleges they attended and dabbled in witchcraft would be laughed at and not taken seriously at all. The tea party has ushered in a new low for politics.

Posted by: wmwilliams14 | September 21, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

When George Bush and Dick Cheney and a Republican congress were running things, we had massive deficits, an unfunded and costly entitlement (Medicare D)was passed, a war costing nearly a trillion dollars and over 4000 American lives was started and we tortured people and illegally tapped their phones. And NOT ONE WORD FROM THE TEA PARTY! Didn't even exist then. Yeah, Americans may be angry, but they are angry at the wrong things. Most are too dumb to know it.

Posted by: raqualung | September 21, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party are racists.

Next!

Posted by: bs2004 | September 21, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

WSJ Opinion: "After complaining for half a century about McCarthyism, Democrats and the media have launched a literal witch hunt. Their target is Christine O'Donnell, the charmingly eccentric Republican Senate nominee from Delaware. As the Associated Press reports:

O'Donnell's comments about witchcraft were made during a 1999 taping of comedian Bill Maher's "Politically Incorrect" show.

"I dabbled into [sic] witchcraft. I never joined a coven,"

"I hung around people who were doing these things. I'm not making this stuff up. I know what they told me they do," O'Donnell told Maher.

O'Donnell responded to the unearthed clip with aplomb:

"How many of you didn't hang out with questionable folks in high school?"

"There's been no witchcraft since. If there was, Karl Rove would be a supporter now," O'Donnell jokingly assured the crowd.

Posted by: pvilso24 | September 21, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes a wacko is just a wacko.

And getting elected to political office by a bunch of angry wackos doesn't make a wacko sane, any more than the Bible disproves evolution. The only thing it proves is that certain segments of the population have completely lost touch with reality.

No public opinion poll is going to transform someone like Christine O'Donnell into a credible United States Senator, any more than calling a mule a horse will make it a horse. Welcome to the America of 2010, a gold mine for comedians if ever there was one. The only consolation is that the demographic changes that are going on as I write are going to make this off year election a short lived thrill for the characters who are enjoying it today.

Posted by: andym108 | September 21, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The Senate still allows for secret holds on nominations - which have been used rather indiscriminately. Add the filibuster, and a couple over the top Tea Partier types, and you've got a formula for political disaster in D.C. beginning next January, if the republican dreams come true.

It may be the government we deserve right now, considering the care we've given to our education and media and actual civil discourse over the last generation or so - the corporate masters' agendas have crept into most committee and legislative discussions, so we ought not be surprised when we see our politics becoming so distasteful.

The rich always benefit when the average voter stays home...

Posted by: thanksforfish | September 21, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Main stream media and main stream politicians are running scared. The media sees their moocher class utopia threatened by a push for fiscal responsibility. The media has been leading lemmings for so long they simply don't know how to manipulate a group of independent thinkers. They are now brushing up on rudimentary math and reading the definition of fiscal solvency, struggling to grasp the concept.
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS.

Posted by: dmasnaghetti | September 21, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Jesus, can you imagine if O'Donnell was a democrat? Faux News and the rest of the media would be going ballistic about her past. The Right (sic) would be marching to Delaware en masse waving torches and pitchforks!

Posted by: raqualung | September 21, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Delaware's DemocRat Senator Candidate!

Chris Coons, 47, has already been targeted by Republicans for an article he wrote for the Amherst College newspaper when he was 21 -- a piece entitled "Chris Coons: The Making of a Bearded Marxist."

Coons wrote about his political evolution from a conservative college student who founded the Amherst College Republicans into a Democrat suspicious of America's power and ideals. The transformation, he said, came during a trip to Kenya.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

You can't make this stuff up; he became a MARXIST after a trip to Obama's Kenya!

Marxism is now mainstream within the DemocRat Party!

Coons is also described by Harry Reid's as his PET??????????

Posted by: theaz | September 21, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I just love it when the Liberals and Dems start whining and crying the blues. Especially since it's not like we haven't elected a fair number of Democrat scalewags over the years with dubious financial backgrounds or shady educational pasts, see, Clinton, Bill and Obama, Barack. But all that aside, I know what the Democrats have done to me, let alone the unintended consequences years down the road, so I'm pretty much willing to give anyone else a try. Heck, she could be practicing Wiccan as we speak.

Posted by: ronjaboy | September 21, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

You can't make this stuff up; he became a MARXIST after a trip to Obama's Kenya!

Marxism is now mainstream within the DemocRat Party!

Coons is also described by Harry Reid's as his PET??????????

Posted by: theaz | September 21, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

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What happened to calling everybody a socialist? "Marxist" is apparently the new nom du jour?

WRT Coons, I understand he used that term in jest. You know, people do make jokes when they're 21 and somehow you extrapolate that to:

"Marxism is now mainstream within the DemocRat Party!"

Ignorance certainly seems to be mainstream within the Tea Party.


Posted by: mikem1 | September 21, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

It's all kind of irrelevant. The biggest expenses facing the government are entitlements (social security, medicare, medicaid) and defense. No one talks about cutting or changing those, and we'll still have debt and defecit problems unless those are reformed. No one seriously believes that the most fringe opinions of certain tea party candidates (Joe Miller on unemployment, Christine O'Donnell on abortion) will change national policy on those issues because they are so far out of the mainstream. If Democrats can't convince reasonable people in Alaska, or Delaware, or Nevada, or anywhere else, that some of these candidates do have very strongly held beliefs on the fringe of the spectrum, they don't deserve to win. The Democrats should have learned from Martha Coakley that just because a candidate seems hokey (Scott Brown) in his advertisements, that doesn't mean you shouldn't fight like hell to win.

Posted by: Noodles3 | September 21, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Let's see...the economy is growing again (instead of shrinking as it was under Bush), the American auto industry, on life support a year ago, is again profitable, the stock market is up over 40%, and yet Obama and the democrats are Marxists! Jesus, some people really should not stop taking their medications without a doctor's advice!

Posted by: raqualung | September 21, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

It is not always widely appreciated how incredibly stupid a large segment of the American public really is. The over-the-top wackiness that is now coming out politically is just the tip of the ignorance iceberg. These people know nothing about science or history, they profess absolute belief in holy books and documents they've never read, they think something has to be true just because they want to believe it, they obsess over superstitions and irrational fears that are so ridiculous no responsible person could possibly believe them. Given this background, the current political lunacy is just what one would expect.

Posted by: DaveHarris | September 21, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that this collection of fruitcakes will be able to govern or legislate? Who benefits from a government unable to act or move forward as the country moves forward?
Whoever is promoting and financing these nut jobs, of course. The right-wing psychotic fringe are the foot soldiers and the established wealth and corporate interests are the hidden financiers. Koch bros rule, Baby! Suck down those hydro-carbons and demonstrate against clean air.

Posted by: karenfink | September 21, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The distinction should be made between Paul and Miller, who are educated and have some record of accomplishment, and O'Donnell and Angle, who are simple horrible candidates whose extremism is the ONLY thing they have going for them.

Yes it would be cheap to focus on O'Donnell's youthful gaffes if she had actually done something useful with her life. But her record is of a lazy charlatan who has taken to right-wing politics simply because it's a meal ticket.

Posted by: tboyer33 | September 21, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Howard,
The national media actually does very little reporting on the nexus between the GOP, right-wing front groups like Freedom Works and the Tea Baggers. I guess the spineless Democrats should be doing more to expose the real positions and attitudes of the Tea Baggers but they won't. The media should. This was really why you folks used to be referred to as the Fourth Estate. Not any more. And you, Mr. Kurtz, are a poster child for the fecklessness of the national media these days, as exampled by your most recent bit of relativistic nonsense above. And I know...you will smugly suggest that you get these kinds of responses from Republicans so you must be doing something right. Why not actually investigate something. You are just a vapid stenographer.

Posted by: tgrossha1 | September 21, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Howard is not an investigative journalist, so don't hold your breath waiting for anything enlightening from this mouthpiece for the GOP/Tea Party.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | September 21, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"...the average citizen who has to live with a health care program that Congress will not be a part of."

Try getting your facts from someplace other than a chain e-mail.

"It sets up a new competitive health insurance market giving millions of Americans the same choices of insurance that members of Congress will have."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/health-care

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

Posted by: steve-2304 | September 21, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

If the economy is growing why is unemployment still above 9%. the stock market is up over 40% is anticipation of the Republicans controlling at the very least the House. Wall Street loves a divided govt since they cant get anything done. problem is we have lawyer in the WH who ahs never had a real job and his economic team is filled with Phds who ahve never run a business or held a real job. Little Timmy Geitner looks like he should be a grad asst and not a Secretary of the Treasury. Gives me a lot of confidence to expand my business. I would like to but I can't predict my return on investment. I would love to hire 40 folks in next 30 days with an average 6 figure salary but new health care regs and their tax increases is stopping me.

Posted by: sheepherder | September 21, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mikem1

["Ugh. Didn't you folks learn your lesson from Bush? I don't want "ordinary people".
Hey, why don't you just go see an "ordinary" person next time you need to see a doctor (those MD's are just elitists anyways). What happened to calling everybody a socialist? "Marxist" is apparently the new nom du jour? WRT Coons, I understand he used that term in jest. You know, people do make jokes when they're 21 and somehow you extrapolate that to: "Marxism is now mainstream within the DemocRat Party!" Ignorance certainly seems to be mainstream within the Tea Party."]

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Political elites to Medical Doctors is not an apple to apple comparison. In terms of Boxer and Kerry, they complain about the treatment of the poor but lead and protect their wealthy lives. In terms of other elites on the Lib side, look no farther than the WH that has ignored and most certainly taken the African American vote for granted whilst offering little in return. At least MDs use their advanced degree and training to do some good for the world.

As for your 2d post reference Coons, the 'bearded Marxist', I don't disagree with the claim it was a youthful slip. But you ask for disgression in judging him but offer none (mainly your Lib pals) for O'Donnell's youthful gaffes.

O'Donnell isn't the perfect candidate but, inter alia, she had the courage to run, despite her shortcomings.

Posted by: pararanger22 | September 21, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

As a resident of Southern Delaware, I can attest to how far off base the media are. All we heard was: Castle is a lock. The media does not realize the frustration of the average citizen who has to live with a health care program that Congress will not be a part of. The media is not listening.

Posted by: sportsfan2

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sportsfan - when you hold an election where only 1/4 of the eligible voters bother to show up, an organized and excited minority can tip an election. This is what happened in Delaware and in Alaska.

Before you start your victory lap, the only win the tea party has ever delivered in a general election was a moderate republican - Scott Brown - in Mass.

Besides being a moderate and not a true tea party disciple, Brown also had an opponent who made Kathleen Kennedy look like a serious campaigner.

The other general election where the tea party had an effect was the special election in NY 23. That was when the tea party defeated the party's choice for the seat republicans have held since 1872 and replaced her with one of their own. They also so alienated moderates and independents.

You might recall, the democrat, Bill Owens, was so far behind in the polls before the primary that the party was only giving cursory support.

So, Rand gets the nomination to run for a safe republican seat in KY and the unaligned polls have the race a dead heat. Delaware was moved to "Likely Democratic" by Real Clear Politics after being "Safe Republican" all summer. Unaligned polls in Nevada have Reid ahead by 4 - 5 basis points.

How is the tea party looking now?

If people were really as fed up as you think then Mikulski, Gillibrand, Wyden and Murray would be in trouble. Murray has consistently been ahead by more than the margin of error and the others are so far ahead they could probably win without even campaigning.

And, the Democrats in trouble are losing to establishment Republicans. not to new faces with revolutionary ideas.

This is not a national change, this is simple politics. The elections this fall are going to turn on turnout. The party that gets the most of its voters out is going to win.

A rump group, like the tea party, will only matter if they are in an area where turnout is low and the Democrat can't excite its base.

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | September 21, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

VELMA HART
You got your 15 minutes of fame. But let me tell you something "fake-a** girlfriend. This President never asked you to defend him, you took it upon yourself. Secondly, you got nerve to act like you hurting. And your husband work for that shaster Verizon....

NO ONE ASKED VELMA HART TO DEFEND THIS PRESIDENT....

AND TELL THAT WOMAN UNTIL SHE LIVES IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THE MEDIAN INCOME IS LESS THAN 10,000 A YEAR...SHE SHOULDN'T GRIPE ABOUT

THIS ISN'T THE AMERICA SHE ONCE KNEW...HELL NAH...

VELMA HART DOES NOT SPEAK FOR MOST BLACK PEOPLE

VELMA HART DOES NOT SPEAK FOR MOST BLACK PEOPLE

VELMA HART DOES NOT SPEAK FOR MOST BLACK PEOPLE

VELMA HART DOES NOT SPEAK FOR MOST BLACK PEOPLE

VELMA HART DOES NOT SPEAK FOR MOST BLACK PEOPLE

I HATE BLACK UNCLETOM WONEM LIKE THAT...OLD UGLY BLACK WITCH IS JUST GETTING 15 MINUTES OF FAME THAT ISN'T WORTH GETTING!!!

VELMA HART IS A FAKE


DEFEND YOURSELF...MS BALD HEAD...GET A WEAVE OR WIG

Posted by: danders5000 | September 21, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Political elites to Medical Doctors is not an apple to apple comparison. In terms of Boxer and Kerry, they complain about the treatment of the poor but lead and protect their wealthy lives. In terms of other elites on the Lib side, look no farther than the WH that has ignored and most certainly taken the African American vote for granted whilst offering little in return. At least MDs use their advanced degree and training to do some good for the world.

As for your 2d post reference Coons, the 'bearded Marxist', I don't disagree with the claim it was a youthful slip. But you ask for disgression in judging him but offer none (mainly your Lib pals) for O'Donnell's youthful gaffes.

O'Donnell isn't the perfect candidate but, inter alia, she had the courage to run, despite her shortcomings.

Posted by: pararanger22 | September 21, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

==

First, I'm not a "lib", I'm a moderate.

Second, your "it's not an apples to apples" argument makes no sense. Do you think Kerry or Boxer are asking to raise tax rates on the poor? In any case, it is irrelevant to the discussion - I want successful, smart people leading the country, not some "ordinary" doofus who has political connections, spouts the party line, and looks good on camera.

Third, O'Donnell may have courage but then again, she might just be a fool. Given her reported history, I'd suggest the latter. Do you really want someone who can't balance her own checkbook to be leading the charge for fiscal conservatism?

Posted by: mikem1 | September 21, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

"I would love to hire 40 folks in next 30 days with an average 6 figure salary but new health care regs and their tax increases is stopping me."

Yeah. Sure. What about the HIRE Act? If those new employees have been out of work for 60 days, you can get a tax credit equal to the employer matching S.S. tax. That's 6.2% on the first $106,800 they each earn. Or potentially $6,621.60 per employee, per year.

Add on to that the additional $1,000 credit on your corporate return for each one of these employees retained for a year and you're looking at a potential tax savings of over $304,000 in the first year alone.

You don't expect your own taxes and company-paid health care expenses to go up by that much, do you?

Posted by: steve-2304 | September 21, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I would love to hire 50 folks in the next 40 days, but my "business" is a figment of my imagination which was invented for this unverified anecdote in my anonymous post.

Posted by: ComfortablyDumb | September 21, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

mikem1 ---- No, "Marxism" is being used as a technical term. As near as we can determine, Obama, actually all free trade advocates, are Marxists. The have a fuzzy minded one world philosophy, think international borders and national identity are antiquated or quaint or dangerous notions that have caused most of the wars in history, and so propose a new world order. They believe that econmic ties between nations is the way to achieve those goals and, so, encourage the growth of multinational corporations to the detriment of doestic small businesses, encourage trade and an international levelling of prices, cost-of-living, wages, and benefits.

There are several problems with all of this, of course. First it has been foisted off on people without their knowledge or explicit approval. It's rather ike the nonsense spewed by leftists, here, critical of the Tea Party where the elite think they "know better". Well, news flash, that is NOT how the system is supposed to work and I, for one, fully intend to throw a wrench in your schemes. Second, as can be clearly seem, the world doesn't sit around in a big circle singing "Kumbaya" and plenty of "primitive" societies retain their nationalist tendacies. So you get China and India cheating, artificially holding down wages, especially for the non-rulling castes, manipulating their currency to make exports even cheaper, dumping, etc. Third, multinational corporations and their executives, owe no allegiance to their host country's. They will gleefully rip that country apart, like a parasite, crawl inside and ay eggs that will hatch and eat the host alive. Multinationa orporate citizens have but one purpose in life and that is to amass wealth and damn the consequences. Look at Enron, at the "carbon credit markets"! Traders are taped literally making jokes about starving granny, about manipulating prices to levels where energy is unaffordable. This is happening RIGHT NOW with food and commodity traders, pharmaceuticals, rare earth metals, and so on. Worse, all of this results in massive displacement of workers and families in industrialized countries. It's been happeing in the US since around 1993 and has very likly destroyed us.

The fact is, "free trade: doesn't work any better than the ssophomoriv Marxist claptrap that gave it birth. It has wrought so much harm and gotten so out of control that the government has been forced into tell us all fairy tales that a confused and panicky public, deluded int thinking that the government has their best intersts at heart, actually tries to believe. So, Obama, the entire federal government, can tell us that unemployment is merely 9.7%, instead of the genuine honest-to-god 23% it really is; the government can make some utterly clueles remark about this depression having ended last June and somehow passed our notice; he government can spy on ordinary citizens, spawn a vertitable alaphabet soup of spy agencies and secret police organizations, private paramilitary armies...

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 21, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

mikem1 - theaz is a garden variety moron. Nothing more, nothing less. He is, however, a black belt when it comes to cutting and pasting something someone else wrote and presenting it as his own thoughts. (i.e. - he is also a plagiarist.)

Debating with him is not going to do anything. He'll just copy something else another person wrote and surround it with some capital letters saying "socialist" "Marxist" or "liberal" and maybe a taunt or two.

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

You would do better to save your ammo for someone with a clue - and something interesting to say.

How can you tell when a moron is making a post? If that person thinks there is no difference between a socialist and a Marxist they are a moron. If they think Barak Obama is a liberal they are a moron.

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | September 21, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

In turn, the multinational corporations that gave birth to has turned and controls the political apartatus. Our elected officials routinely accept bribes (oh, they call them "gifts", "funding raising evnets", "campaign contributions"). A lot of those bribes are from foreign governments as well as wealthy individuals and busuniesses in those country's. Hillary Cltinon and John Kerry have been caught, repeatedly, acepting illegal foreign campaign donations from CHina. As much as 75% of the DNC's money comes from illegal foreign sources. Take a look at the funding for just the Senatorial campaigns during the current cycle. There are only two Democratic candidates that receive a majority of their funding from in-state sources. In EVERY other case, an average of 60% of their campaign money comes from fewer than six New York based abnks and investment firms, foreign money eseentially being laundered. The Free Trade pet, this all new form of Marxism, all tricked out with it's own orthodoxy, has turned into beast and is devowering it's former masters.

So, "you bet" we call Obama a Marxist. He is and a "true believer" at that. He is not just the worst Presdeint this country ever elelected, he is the most dangerous. One way or another we WILL need to get rid of him and his advisors, especially Summers and Geithner. Impeach him, investigate Obama and hs family and connections and unearth any dirt, invent dirt, do whatever it takes to chase this treasonous swine out of the White House. Along wth them, the leadership of th Republican Party, all carrer politccian's, ned to go. Washintn needs to be cleaned up, multinationals crush and made illegal, tariff walls erected and free trade ended and our jobs extended to our own citizens. We owe NOTHING to the rest of the world, but especially to savage backward societies like those of China and India.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 21, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow, mibrooks has really lost it.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 21, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27 - Interesting analysis once you get past the pedantry, bellicose rantings and immature name calling.

Actually, once you eliminate them form your post you have about 1/4 the number of words, which would also have been a better thing....

Oh, and grammar, punctuation and occasional use of your enter key might also help us get through your dense opining.

So all free traders are Marxist? Free Trade is Marxist at heart? Hmmmm.

Can you define Marxist for me? I think you have it confused with something else. I am not sure what it is, but it sure as heck isn't Marxism.

Hey! Can you name an influential politician who supported free trade? I can think of one BIG name - that famous Marxist, Ronald Reagan. Look it up.

Here is something even more fun!

From that well known Marxist think tank The Heritage Foundation:
"Why Free Trade Works for America" by Daniella Markheim (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yILUUU373ucJ:www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/04/why-free-trade-works-for-america+%22free+trade%22+american+politics&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us).

You should read it. You might learn something. Who knows? I am an optimist.

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | September 21, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Observer691 - Actually, YOU will be paying for the consequences of the insanity of these mrxists. Or economy is going to repeat the cycles of Weimar Germany. The stock market i leady berift of individual traders. All that is left are large instiutional investors, mostly playing with pension funds. It is petty well set up for a collapse. Almost any internatinal shock will collapse it and that is likly to happen late this month or early in October. Due to the enormous debt load, declining foreign bond purphases, and Fed polcies weakening the dollar, we will see hyper-inflation along the lines of what was seen in pre-revlutionary France and the Weimar Republic. We are facing economic castastrophe. My fear is that the public may well support anyon who promises to restore econimic stability and our re-assendency as a world power. France had Napolian, Germany Hitler, and god only knows what we will end up with, but the result will be the same -- war, the destruction of our democracy, and ultimately the destruction of the US.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 21, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Tommy - The Hertiage Foundaton is a neocon think tank. Of course they're Marxists. There is flat out NO DIFFERENCE btweeen the Neoconservative wing of the Republican Party and the Multinationalist wing of the Demcratic Party. Unfortunaely, the leaders of BOTH Parties subscribe to those philosophies.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 21, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27, you are certifiable. If you can see no difference between the thinking that goes on at the Heritage Foundation and, say, the Brookings Institution you are in desperate need of help.

Call 911! Quick! Before you marginalize yourself any further!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | September 21, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Marxists are Free Traders?

That's like defending O'Donnell for her "dabbling in witchcraft" because it makes her "multicultural"..

(someone did actually say that the other day)

Posted by: mikem1 | September 21, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

mikem1 - You need to do a little reading on the history of the modern free trade movement. Start by reading Carroll Quigley and check out his influence on President Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Summers, Geithner, Bernanke, Bush, et al. This bunch tosses around quotes from Quigley and peope simply don't notice it or understand the context. So, please, before blathering any more nonsense, go check a copy of "Tragedy and Hope" and read it and read about who it has influenced. Ideas can be dangerous, especialy when ideologues and academics believe in them and put them before the facts staring them in the face. This collectioon of fools and people like them are resosible for the current economic mess and the far far worse calamity yet to come.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 21, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

If anyone thought the tea party sensation’s self admission that she “dabbled into witchcraft” on an episode of politically incorrect from way back in the late 90s was a hot mess, you’re going to LOVE her foray into matters of science as recently as november of 2007.

here's what she says...

"american scientific companies are cross-breeding humans and animals and coming up with mice with fully functioning human brains."

Don't believe me? Go to my blog and hear the audio for yourself.

http://jammerbirdi.wordpress.com/2010/09/21/christine-odonnell-blinding-us-with-science/

Posted by: jammerbirdi | September 21, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

mikem1 - You need to do a little reading on the history of the modern free trade movement. Start by reading Carroll Quigley and check out his influence on President Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barak Obama, Summers, Geithner, Bernanke, Bush, et al. This bunch tosses around quotes from Quigley and peope simply don't notice it or understand the context. So, please, before blathering any more nonsense, go check a copy of "Tragedy and Hope" and read it and read about who it has influenced. Ideas can be dangerous, especialy when ideologues and academics believe in them and put them before the facts staring them in the face. This collectioon of fools and people like them are resosible for the current economic mess and the far far worse calamity yet to come.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | September 21, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

===

I don't need to read a book from some unknown author to remember who was leading the NAFTA/Free Trade movement in the '90's and it sure the heck wasn't the Democrats. It was the Republicans and Clinton bucked many in his own party to go along with it.

Personally, I think free trade is far better than the government telling me who I can and can't buy goods from.

Trying to equate that to Marxism/Communism where the state runs everything is utter nonsense.

Posted by: mikem1 | September 21, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

mikem1 - Would you say mibrooks27 is actually - and ironically - taking a Big Government or even, dare I say, a SOCIALIST position on trade?

It sounds like he wants protectionism and government control over free trade.

And here I thought the tea party was all about absolute freedom.

Could he be a Big Government mole in the tea party? Or could he be just a schizophrenic?

Actually, I think he is just confused....

Posted by: TOMMYBASEBALL | September 21, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Part of the sense of arrogance which the press radiates comes from its refusal to talk about the uniting "tea party" issue - the unsustainable levels of debt which government is incurring. It is not rocket science. Even a reporter/pundit can grasp it. We are setting up structural levels of debt which will bankrupt everyone. Democrats' answer is to incur more debts, with some sort of magical thinking that "God will provide if we are virtuous". The tea party, though perhaps more outwardly religious, doesn't believe that "God will provide" - but instead believes that we have to lower levels of debt, while sustaining a vibrant economy. But Chris Matthews wants to talk about witchcraft. It is insulting to the intelligence. It is "press thinking".

Posted by: dante99654 | September 21, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that if they are looking for wacky Teaparty/Republican candidates they would look at South Carolina again.

Nikki Haley, SC House Legislator and Republican selection to run for Governor in SC is one of Sarah Palin's picks.

Nikki's claim to fame was that despite the fact two Republican men claimed to have had sex with her despite the fact she was married at the time, she won the Republican Primary.

Since that time, one of her Republican opponents, Barrett in a run-off with her, brought up the fact she failed to report on campaign reports that she received over $40,000 for using her position to get Wilbur Smith water/sewer business. The Paper here reported from Wilbur Smith, “Periodically we hire folks who have good contacts,” Ferrell said. “I have known her to be a very connected woman…she just knew what was happening in the community.” Byars said it “raises a strong appearance of impropriety” that the company’s only public reason for hiring her were for her connections.
http://www.thestate.com/2010/06/21/1343524/haley-earned-40500-in-consulting.html

In the past couple of weeks, it has come out that Haley acting as accountant for her parents company took money from employees pay and did not turn it in until the Government filed liens. Despite the fact Haley lists Accountant as experience, she filed her parents' company taxes as much as 19 months late 3 times since 2003. http://www.thestate.com/2010/09/09/1457144/apnewsbreak-haley-biz-didnt-pay.html

The newspaper also reported Nikki Haley, Teaparty/Republican candidate for Governor has not paid taxes on time for 5 year running. She has had to pay $4,000 in penalties for filing late.
http://www.thestate.com/2010/08/21/1426739/scoppe-nikki-haleys-income-tax.html

Since being selected by the SC Republican Party, Nikki Haley has been found to have violated Copyright laws by using the Black Eyed Pea music without permission. She had to pull campaign ads where she appropriated and used this music.

She has said, if elected, she would not submit an executive Budget for the state in violation of the State's constitution for duties of Governor.

Despite the fact she is a SC House Legislator, the majority Republican Party in the State have not investigated her actions.

Why is the media ignoring SC Teaparty/Republican Governor Candidate Nikki Haley?

Posted by: SCVoter | September 21, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Nicely played, ComfortablyDumb!

Posted by: Brianguy | September 22, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone get the uncanny feeling that somewhere in some abandoned mineshaft an Evil Scientist is cloning all of these Tea Party wraiths?

The Dumbing Down of America has to stop somewhere, doesn't it?

Commissioner Gordon it's time to send up the Bat-Signal!

Posted by: Ralph4 | September 22, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

How is displaying video of the candidates themselves "mocking" them. I'd call it informing the electorate. There's no editing of the tapes ala Breitbart - these are videos of the candidates speaking. If they want to make crackpot comments, they should expect to defend them. Running away like paul, angle, palin and o'donnell is just cowardly. How do folks vote for people of such low character?

Ah, the martyrs like sister sarah and her clone o'donnell will always blame the media, instead of looking in the mirror and facing their own failings.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions1 | September 22, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

As a resident of Southern Delaware, I can attest to how far off base the media are. All we heard was: Castle is a lock. The media does not realize the frustration of the average citizen who has to live with a health care program that Congress will not be a part of. The media is not listening.

Posted by: sportsfan2
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So your uncontrolled and misdirected anger is going to prod you to vote for an unqualified, neanderthalic crackpot?

That's a real smart voting strategy you've got there skippy.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions1 | September 22, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"As a resident of Southern Delaware, I can attest to how far off base the media are. All we heard was: Castle is a lock. The media does not realize the frustration of the average citizen who has to live with a health care program that Congress will not be a part of. The media is not listening.

Posted by: sportsfan2
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So your uncontrolled and misdirected anger is going to prod you to vote for an unqualified, neanderthalic crackpot?

That's a real smart voting strategy you've got there skippy."

And for all these years I've thought that calling Southern Delaware "lower, slower Delaware" referred to the relaxed, unhurried lifestyle, when in fact it referred to the inferior IQs and brainpower of at least some of the residents.

Posted by: Observer691 | September 22, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Replying to: "It looks like open mockery because it it AND IT SHOULD BE. These nutty fringe lunatics only deserved to be mocked, not to be taken seriously.

Posted by: princeleo | September 21, 2010 12:07 AM |"

Amen! And judging from the vituperative, hateful and hate-filled comments being posted here, there are a lot of other prime candidates for mockery out there. As the saying goes, a LOT of villages out there are missing their idiots!

Posted by: DCSteve1 | September 22, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

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