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Angle unplugged

Secretly recording a United States Senate candidate?

That sure sounds like a down-and-dirty trick.

And while Sharron Angle says some mildly embarrassing things in her conversation with a tea party candidate in Nevada, I'm not sure it hurts her. Why? Because many voters will probably sympathize with her over the surreptitious taping.

Angle says, for example, "The Republicans have lost their standards, they've lost their principles. ... Really that's why the machine in the Republican Party is fighting against me. ... They have never really gone along with lower taxes and less government."

And why would she be full of praise for the GOP? The party establishment lined up behind her primary opponent, Sue Lowden. If anything, the leaked remarks will probably help her in the race against Harry Reid among those who are fed up with both parties.

Angle is trying to persuade candidate Scott Ashijan to drop out and support her. Jon Ralston of the Las Vegas Sun obtained the tape of their conversation, which he has posted. Ralston writes:

"Angle expresses disdain for the national GOP, which she says she now has 'in a box' because she won the primary, which caused the DC types after her June 8 victory to still be 'moaning and groaning and weeping and gnashing teeth over Sue Lowden.' Later, she tries to persuade Ashjian to endorse her because she will have 'juice' he can tap into to get access to Sens. Jim DeMint, Tom Coburn and Mitch McConnell."

Ralston's take is that Angle will now be seen as a dealmaker because she's, uh, angling for support from Ashijan, who wants her to engineer an apology from the Tea Party Express for past attacks on him.

Angle tells her rival that "you have tapped into it, the essence of America ... and the essence of America is we are tired of politics as usual. ... Only thing that's different between you and I is I guess I was pragmatic enough to know ... that third parties can't get traction. ... So I said all right, I'll work with it. Just show me what the rules are and I'll work with it...the rules are there are Democrats and Republicans...so I moved myself up within the Republican ranks....They have no choice, I'm the only game in town. ... There was no one more shocked than they were when I won that primary."

And there's this admission of weakness: "I need your help to defeat Harry Reid. I can't do this. ..."

Sure, it was political malpractice for Angle to take the meeting. Aren't these things usually done through intermediaries, so the candidate has deniability?

But she obviously never expected to be taped. Maybe the skulduggery causes her some short-term heartburn, but it says a whole lot more about tea party tactics.

By Howard Kurtz  | October 4, 2010; 12:01 PM ET
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Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats in Congress still do not get it and probably never will:

The American people and American small business want lower taxes for EVERYONE while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats will raise taxes on some and probably everyone to pay for the reckless spending they put in place.

The American people and American small business want smaller government while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats have and plan to continue to greatly increase the size of government.

The American people and American small business want less government intervention into their lives and private affaires while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats will continue to expand onerous regulation which raises costs, reduces the standard of living, and inhibits job growth.

The American people and American small business did not want the so-called healthcare reform while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats continue to ignore how this law will cost the American people and small businesses more, reduce choice in healthcare, and restrict access to healthcare for many people.

The current Administration and current Congress must realize a large portion of the American people are fed up with high taxes, big government, and obtrusive government meddling in the private lives of people, business, and the economy. The American people what lower taxes, lower government spending, and smaller government.

As long as our government continues the reckless spending, high taxes, and unprecedented meddling with businesses, we cannot expect real long term growth.

The Congress and current Administration have put the country on a course of reckless government spending that has mortgaged the future of all Americans especially future generations. The only way to fix this long term structural problem is to create a pro-growth atmosphere for business. To do this we must reduce taxes NOW. How many different taxes does a business or individual pay on a regular basis? We must eliminate number and complexity of all these taxes and reduce the tax burden.

We also need to end the micro-management of business and the economy. Until we GREATLY reduce the tax burden on business and consumers and remove the senseless regulations that accomplish little in relation to the cost they impose, our future is bleak.

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER...VOTE THEM OUT!!!

Posted by: AngryMobVoter | October 4, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't really care about what the leaked tape entails, but isn't recording a conversation like this a felony unless there's either permission from the party, or a warrant?

Posted by: charlesbakerharris | October 4, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

hey AngryMobVoter, there's a Darwin Award out there with your name on it. Go and win it!

Posted by: SpecTP | October 4, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

and I almost forgot.. tl;dr

Posted by: SpecTP | October 4, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I disagree. It clearly shows influence peddling. Let be buy the votes you might get. Is this not what the Tea Party is so against? Do we want deal making before an election even happens? If elected what else will Sharon sell? Her vote?

As for recording her, how is this different from the fraudulent attack on Acorn? At least the tape does not appear edited. Hey, what goes around comes around. Sharon has just sold her soul to get elected. Sharon is far more about getting Sharon elected than defeating Harry Reid. Dream on Tea Party.

Posted by: chucko2 | October 4, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Angrymobvoter writes:

"The American people and American small business want lower taxes for EVERYONE"

Its obvious you are the one who doesnt get it. If you did you would realize that taxes for all are at its lowest since Truman, all thanks to the three you mentioned in your false rant. Nice try though..

Posted by: rharring | October 4, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

There is no honor amongst theives

Posted by: sux123 | October 4, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Angrymobvoter -- What's your justification for tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans?

Posted by: seaduck2001 | October 4, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Scott Ashjian has a problem. He cannot win. And his biggest argument, if he doesn't want to help the flawed Angle, is to help return Harry Reid to the Senate "with a message!". As if Reid will care about Ashjian's "message" for the next 6 years as he rejoins Pelosi.

So he surreptitiously records the flawed Angle...as she makes a logical offer. Drop out and Tea Party members will have a champion in Angle.

The thing is that even many Democrats nationwide are hoping for Reid not to be Senate Majority leader after November because he has poisoned the well - opting to reject compromise in favor of forcing some radical and nationally unpopular Nancy Pelosi legislation through. Which all but guarantees that the Senate will not follow him the way they would a better dealmaker like Schumer, and nothing will get done for two years.

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | October 4, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest; Angle is as big a loon as O'Donnell, and both are GOP nominees because their state parties are in tatters.

In Nevada, the state GOP establishment was behind "the chicken lady" first, and now is stuck with a Bible-beater in America's biggest brothel. Nice work.

In Delaware, the GOP had a viable candidate, but they could not turn out their voters to keep Castle in the race.

Neither case indicates a party organization run by competent individuals.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | October 4, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey Angrymobvoter -- What's your justification for tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans?

Posted by: seaduck2001 | October 4, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

===

How about: "it's their money, not yours"?

Posted by: mikem1 | October 4, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I refuse to call these Conservatives Tea Party Activists or Libertarians. At the end of the day, they're just Conservatives. Only now, it's so blatantly obvious that Bush 43 was the worst president since Warren Harding, the Conservatives have to call themselves something different. The Tea Party and Libertarians is just the GOP with a bag over it's head. I'm not going to engage it as if its a new movement. I refuse to talk to and engage the dummy on the ventriloquists lap as if it actually has a real viewpoint.
Say what you will about Democrats, but at least I support a party that doensn't need to walk around in disguise, having started 2 wars and wrecked our economy.

Posted by: poboyz1973 | October 4, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse


Correction:

In fact Angle didn't ask him to drop out but rather drop dead.

Sorry for the error .......The W.P.

Posted by: benkad | October 4, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have already thrown one of their own under a bus to reelect Joe Lieberman.

Angle may have a problem?

Posted by: ddoiron1 | October 4, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

What gives her the right to ask another duly nominated candidate to drop out? Especially, one with the official Tea Party brand.

Posted by: BBear1 | October 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

She sure seems slimey to me. Underhanded, cut throat, down and dirty dog dealers:

That's what makes up the Republican Party, with or without the "Tea".

Posted by: lindalovejones | October 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse


TO: AngryMobVoter who wrote:
“Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats in Congress still do not get it and probably never will:
The American people and American small business want lower taxes for EVERYONE while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats will raise taxes on some and probably everyone to pay for the reckless spending they put in place…”

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You may call yourself a “mob” but you can’t and don’t speak for anyone but yourself.

When time and information can’t help you learn anything, most of time you’re not even allowed to speak for yourself, because you do too much damage to yourself.

Are wealthy people asking for tax breaks? NO.

Are wealthy people promising you they’d hire more people if they pay lower taxes? NO.

And who are you to be trying to tell US what rich people want? Just a poor ignorant sole who know his az from a hole in the ground.


Posted by: lindalovejones | October 4, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats in Congress still do not get it and probably never will:

The American people and American small business want lower taxes for EVERYONE while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats will raise taxes on some and probably everyone to pay for the reckless spending they put in place.

blah blah blah...
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Listen Gunga Dim... half the population does NOT pay taxes. The taxes paid come from the uber wealthy... they make a million and the rate is the same as a family making $50k. You are saying those two tax payers are equal... they are NOT. Since the beginning of time the wealthy Duke has to return a penny on the dollar for every dollar leveraged from the masses. No other way to keep the roads paved, kids in school and Predator Drones dropping Hellfire on wedding party's.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld1 | October 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Has Sharron Angle also asked Harry Reid to drop out of the race? If you don't ask, you'll never know the answer.

Then there is always the alternative she has the full controll of. Gracefully withdraw from the race. And save some shoes. And the mouth.

Posted by: kishorgala | October 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The Angle on this race in Nevada is going from acute to obtuse. Or may be it was always obtuse.

Posted by: kishorgala | October 4, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Three pest destroying the nation.

1.Liberals
2.Unions
3.Bedbugs

Posted by: corebanks1940 | October 4, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It's sleazy politics on Angle's part to try to bribe a competitor to drop out of the race. Besides, Ashjian sounds more like a real Tea Party candidate than Sharron. For the sake of his supporters, Ashjian should stay in the race. Can Angle really get any lower? Angle and her husband have government healthcare for the rest of their lives. Hubby also gets a nice government pension. Sharron wants desperately to be a part of that government. Yet she claims to be antigovernment? What a hypocrite!

Posted by: CRinVegas | October 4, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Angle's comments show the obvious. Not even Republicans have any respect for Republicans.

Posted by: exco | October 4, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Angrymob voter, sincere question in respoinse to the following:Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats in Congress still do not get it and probably never will:

The American people and American small business want lower taxes for EVERYONE while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats will raise taxes on some and probably everyone to pay for the reckless spending they put in place.

The American people and American small business want smaller government while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats have and plan to continue to greatly increase the size of government.
___________
We all think the Govt isn't attentive at time, but the facts bear out that now a Taxes are at their lowest in 30 years, b) There are fewer gov't employees for % of population than at anytime in lsat 30 years, and c) fewer illegal border crossings than in last 5 years, no real reckless spending. SS, medicare and recetn wars take over 10% of every tax dollar. Shile we need to address spending, the current Dems are not out of control.

Posted by: cadam72 | October 4, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Are there ANY tea party candidates who aren't nutcase extremists? Just one, please.

It's bad enough that Jim DeMint wants to ban gays, lesbians and pregnant women from teaching in schools. Angle wants to do away with the Education Dept. entirely!

Posted by: B2O2 | October 4, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Angrymobvoter is not misinformed or misguided. He/she is a liar.

Posted by: fourklines | October 4, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Sounds to me as though Ms. Angle is whining like a baby. She accuses the GOP of having lost its principles. She is wrong. Republican politicians have no principles. As for Ms. Angle, if she knew anything about history, if she was old enough to know better then she would side with the Democrats. Unless she is slathered in money. Perhaps Sharron is nothing more than a frightened little girl in an adult's body and clothing. Maybe she just does not have what it takes to tough it out - win or lose.

Her claim that "we" are tired of politics as usual - an old canard - is misprecient. I am not tired of politics as usual. It's politics. If by some miscarriage of justice she should happen to get into the Senate she will become part of the problem. I would not be surprised if she quit in the first two years out of what she might call disgust. What would really be happening is that she does not have a clue how to serve constituents. She has no idea what elected officials have to do to help our people. In a word she is and idiot. It is Sharron who ought to give up, not the other way around.

Posted by: agrossman1 | October 4, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"Frankly, I refuse to call these Conservatives Tea Party Activists or Libertarians. At the end of the day, they're just Conservatives. Only now, it's so blatantly obvious that Bush 43 was the worst president since Warren Harding, the Conservatives have to call themselves something different."

You hit the nail on the head, poboyz1973.

Any enterprising pollsters reading this? Why don't you commission a poll asking who the tea partiers voted for in 2004? You're going to find it overwhelmingly come back that these people voted for one of our worst presidents in history.

Why would their judgment be any wiser this time around than it was then?

Posted by: B2O2 | October 4, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Yawn Yawn Politics, show biz for the ugly. Big fn deal a tape, another so called got ya tape. I want to hear issues about when your going to stop ruining our Country for your self gain not taped crap. No wonder the "reality" shows on TV are so popular. Stupid Humans.

Posted by: nardnose | October 4, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

@charlesbakerharris--Only one of the parties to a phone conversation has to consent to taping. In this case, one did the taping herself. This is distinguished from a third party, such as law enforcemnt, taping the conversation of two people, neither of whom has given consent.

Posted by: lawyerwithachainsaw | October 4, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I would say it definitely ups her credibility with independents and tea partiers. She is clearly no rubber stamp for the establishment.

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | October 4, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Why would it help her, when she's been trying to hide how loony she is and this exposes her loonyness even more?

Posted by: solsticebelle | October 4, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

AngryMobVoter:
Let me make sure I understand you: Your contention is that it is the wreckless spending of Obama, Pelosi and Reid that has this country in the mess that it is in. This would mean that in the last 18 months, they put this country in more than 3 TRILLION Dollars in debt! Are you mental? This mess was created many years ago by Bush/Cheney and company. This was created over a period of several years. Not the last several months. The current administration has been trying desperately to clean up that horrid mess since the day they walked in the door. With absolutely no help from the other side!

Posted by: repnice | October 4, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AngryMobVoter | October 4, 2010 12:27 PM | (First poster)

What a moronic imbecile you are.

Posted by: mtravali | October 4, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Predictably, the Tea Party candidates continue to be an ungodly train wreck to what remains of the GOP--already dysfunctional and badly fractured.

Their manic antics and radical positions on social security, minimum wage, even talking to the mainstream press at all, and giving corporate dinosaurs free rein to trash the environment and put workers' safety at risk are nightmares in the making.

The craziness has reached epic proportions.

This is a season the GOP will long wish had never happened.

It looks like the Tea Party has unquestionably cost the GOP the chance to retake the Senate. And if they keep up their shennanigans, they will cost the Republicans their already shaky chances at retaking the House.
John Patrick Grace
Huntington, West Virginia

Posted by: publishersplace | October 4, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse


I hope all those that have been in office get voted out......

"ALL"

Get them out.........and get as many "women" in as we can.

**

Posted by: paulann1 | October 4, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"She has no idea what elected officials have to do to help our people. In a word she is and idiot. It is Sharron who ought to give up, not the other way around."

Posted by: agrossman1 | October 4, 2010 3:02 PM

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Yeah, democrats are the bastion of wisdom. Btw, did Guam ever capsize when too many Marines were stationed on the Island as Hank Johnson (D) feared?

Posted by: Brad26 | October 4, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Uh, the budget of the United States was balanced as of January 19th, 2001. Employment was doing pretty well and people were in a good mood despite divided government. I wonder what happened to all of that?

Posted by: mgiangr1 | October 4, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

It is so frustrating and counterproductive to intelligent discussion to read the "you're an idiot" & worse comments. The web has empowered the common man, so use it wisely! It is your right and privilege to disagree. Demonizing individuals, especially the President is so much easier than thoughtful discussion. Although I felt that George W. was less than competent and lacked intelligent curiosity when it was needed... I never blindly questioned his best intentions. President Obama is a good man, an intelligent man, and he has & will make some mistakes...which, delightfully, he will own up to. He was idealistic in thinking that people such as John Boehner would ever meet him halfway no matter how it might serve the American people.

Posted by: heard1 | October 4, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

No less than what I expected...

Posted by: repnice | October 4, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

LAS VEGAS -- Nevada's largest newspaper has endorsed Republican Sharron Angle's bid for U.S. Senate against Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

The endorsement Sunday from the Las Vegas Review-Journal, an influential newspaper that has pounded on Reid and praised Angle, was not unexpected.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | October 4, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I am still waiting for the Republicans and the Tea Partiers to tell me how they are going to accomplish their goals. Hot rhetoric is just not enough. Success cannot just come from prejudice against immigrants, gays and assorted defenseless minorities.

Posted by: nyakairu1 | October 4, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Reid vs. Angle....Let me think.....HMMMMM Reid of course. However, if he somehow pulls this off, please relinquish the helm of Senate Majority Leader and turn it over to Shumer! He would be a much stronger Leader.

Posted by: repnice | October 4, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The last I checked, the lower and middle class do not create jobs, it is higher income people who take risks and put up capital to start and expand businesses and HIRE PEOPLE. If Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats in Congress raise their taxes, they WILL HIRE LESS people. The local janitor does not create jobs, it is the owner of the janitorial service who hires people.

REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER...VOTE THEM OUT!!!

Posted by: AngryMobVoter | October 4, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Blah, blah, blah.

Rules regarding taping of conversations vary by state. In many, if not most, it is OK to tape a conversation if 1 party to the conversation is aware of the taping. In other words, you are free to record your own conversations.

I don't know about NV, but this would be perfectly legal where I live.

The larger question, in my mind is this: Is Angle just plain stupid? What politician in today's world doesn't assume that they are always being recorded?

Angle, Bachmann, O'Connell, Buck, Paul and Miller. Proof that it's not just TEA they are drinking.

Posted by: onieman | October 4, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Reid vs. Angle....Let me think.....HMMMMM Reid of course. However, if he somehow pulls this off, please relinquish the helm of Senate Majority Leader and turn it over to Shumer! He would be a much stronger Leader.

Posted by: repnice | October 4, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse
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lmfao...Now that would be jumping out of the pan into the fire.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | October 4, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Angrymobvoter, where were you when the Bush Administration tanked the economy and why do you want to repeat the experience by extolling the virtues of exactly the same reckless policies that got us here in the first place? If the Bush tax cuts worked, he would have created more than the fraction of jobs that Clinton did, and they would be helping the economic situation today. Besides creating most of the deficit you're crying about, there is no evidence that they did anything but widen the gap between the super wealthy and the middle class (I'd mention the decimated poor, but clearly you couldn't care less about the less fortunate). Those of your ilk are like punch drunk boxers, who've fallen out of the ring and are now reeling around the stands looking for someone, anyone but yourselves, to blame.

Posted by: Koko3 | October 4, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

So, she will "juice"? To get that juice, there will be an expected payback. What's new? Different faces, names, etc., but the same old game which means that whoever "taps in" will not be able to do as they promise to the voters; they will be compromised. That is politics as usual. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Posted by: csintala79 | October 4, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Angle's comments concerning the Republican establishment are accurate...they are demo/socialist lite!
Angle attempts to persuade a candidate to drop out of the race is not illegal and makes sense. If you were to offer a job as an inducement then such might be wrong, as the White House did offer to Sestrak vs Spector in Pennsylvania...oh I forgot that was Bill Clinton making several attempts over a two month time span.
The taping of the conversation smells but Angle's words actually are reassuring and needed to be spoken. She will get my vote!!

Posted by: wsocvi | October 4, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@ angrymobvoter please, please have the cahones to call a digging implement a digging implement; all you are saying is that the tea party exists only because there is a black man in the white house and all of you are working overtime to try and get him out. you never had anger, mobs or tea party voting before and everything in this country was going haywire. then this guy takes over and you all got together so fast that people are still wondering just where this whole tea party thing ever came from. but what i am asking of you is that you just be honest and i suddenly realized why none of you could ever comply with that.

Posted by: zhanaya | October 4, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

AngryMob wrote: "The last I checked, the lower and middle class do not create jobs, it is higher income people who take risks and put up capital to start and expand businesses and HIRE PEOPLE."

The Bush tax cuts have been in place for more than a few years. What jobs did these higher income folks create? And the only risks they took were so that they could line their own pockets. From what I remember, the US started bleeding jobs in 2007, when the higher income folks took those jobs overseas - to make more profit. They aren't creating jobs, they're sitting on their money hoping the GOP will win back control so they can make some more money and not have to pay taxes.
Don't fool yourself, these folks only care about themselves, not the people, not the economy and certainly not this country. It's all about greed and power.

Posted by: dmartin79 | October 4, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Kurtz, you missed the main point -- the rise of the Tea Party resulted from the failings of the Republican Party in 2004-06.

Most people really don't like people snooping, but they really do not care for the D.C. self-anointed "elites" -- Democrats or Republicans -- spending our children and grandchildren into extreme debt.

This dust-up will wind up helping Angle because she is telling the truth about D.C. Republicans.

When Repubs were in control of all three branches of government, 2002-2006, they failed to stop "earmarks," deficit spending, etc. In short, they acted like Democrats, so they were thrown out of he House and Senate in 2006.

Controlling all three branches in 2009, the Democrats spent money like they had an endless supply and harnessed America with a first-year deficit of over $1,300,000,000,000 (that's $1.3 trillion).

That reckless action raised the ire of many Americans and gave rise to the Tea Party's rapid growth.

So Angle probably helped herself with the people who count, the Nevada voters -- those living in a state where 70% of the mortgages are "under water" and unemployment is over 14%.

Your mis-reading of the public is understandable since you seem to think that America begins and ends in D.C. Get out of your office and D.C., and talk to real people. Maybe you'll learn something.

Posted by: RonKH | October 4, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to extremist Republican sociopaths like Sharron Angle, momentum is ours (Democrats), the GOP is screwed in more ways than one, and they know it.

Despite all the screaming YOU LIE, SOCIALIST, HITLER, RACIST WHO HATES WHITE PEOPLE and so on, President Obama enjoys a good popularity rating. (45-48) Their screeching IS NOT WORKING. The GOP has LOST it's moderate base. GONE. All that is left is the screeching lowest common denominator of leftover Bush voters and Beck and Palin fans. They are fired up, and have been since inauguration day. But they aren't enough to win, frankly, and the GOP strategists have to know this, because people in their tent are getting a little scared.

If Republicans fail to pick up a majority in either house of Congress they will be COMPLETELY demoralized, and it will be totally awesome, and I'm bringing beer. And it is happening, races are tightening that Republicans NEED to win if they are to claim a House majority. The math is against them too. If Dems pick up 4 or 5 seats (DE-AL, IL-10, and HI-01 look like they can be picked up, and we are likely to win at least 1 or 2 other House seats we didn't expect.) the GOP needs to pick up 39 House seats + the 4 or so the Dems win. I don't see that happening.


The strategy of "speaking through Fox alone" and hiding, running from and avoiding potentially embarrassing, not completely orchestrated media events is beginning to hurt Republicans, giving the public a chance to hear what Dems are saying at just the time when voters are starting to pay attention. The republicans have painted themselves into a corner on this because they have run a field of awful, idiotic, contradictory and unqualified bunch of cranks for office. If Republicans think they've lost the Senate because of Christine the Teenage Witch's rise to public derision and now they are unsure of their chances at control of the House two things are sure to happen, Republicans will be forced to amp up the dog whistles to rally their hard core base and voters who are on the whole (48%) okay with Obama will see him as the face of the Democratic party, as they should. And voters who don't HATE Obama already will choose between an out of touch, unqualified GOP and Obama and the Democrats.

But long term, with a population that is becoming more multi-cultural, the GOP is totally screwed. They can't use a 50 State southern strategery for the next 20 years, or even the next decade. They can't speak through Fox and their tv hosts forever, and they can't win votes from people they are alienating. It may not happen all at once, or this may be the beginning of the end in 2010 if the GOP can't win either house, but the GOP is SCREWED and they know it, and in the long term, with their current game plan, they are so screwed it isn't either funny.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/us/politics/03campaign.html?_r=2&hp
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 4, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the President wouldn't give him a cool government appointment job instead.

Posted by: gr8gozo | October 4, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

This obviously is not a new thing for Ms. Angle, and I wonder what Mr. Issa would say about the fact that all those senators she mentioned are available for purchase?

Posted by: MadamDeb | October 4, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Teabagger buffoons (the Republican base) were against "back room deals"?

Liars and hypocrites - all of them!
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Posted by: DrainYou | October 4, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

As others have stated..our taxes haven't been this low in 50 years. And if the TEA party and Angle were in the least bit true they would realize allowing Bush tax cuts to continue raises the debt level another $3.5T.

The TEA party is clueless. They have no leaders, no platform. They are the twig of the GOP which has a Pledge to America which is as meaningless as trickle down economics. A missile system as a mission in the Pledge? Reagan tried that and failed. Gates doesn't want to fight the cold war again and neither will the next SECDEF Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: whatmeworry | October 4, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The Bush tax cuts have been in place for more than a few years. What jobs did these higher income folks create? And the only risks they took were so that they could line their own pockets. From what I remember, the US started bleeding jobs in 2007, when the higher income folks took those jobs overseas - to make more profit. They aren't creating jobs, they're sitting on their money hoping the GOP will win back control so they can make some more money and not have to pay taxes.
Don't fool yourself, these folks only care about themselves, not the people, not the economy and certainly not this country. It's all about greed and power.
Posted by: dmartin79 | October 4, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse
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Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%!

Posted by: corebanks1940 | October 4, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't really care about what the leaked tape entails, but isn't recording a conversation like this a felony unless there's either permission from the party, or a warrant?

Posted by: charlesbakerharris
++++++ Yes it's a serious offense. Just ask Richard Nixon. He wasn't even responsible for the secret tapings but he attempted to cover it up which even that was an impeachable offense. So I think it's pretty obvious that this conversation was set up and agreed to by both Angle and Ashijun then released to the media. Obviously they have crunched the numbers and realize the Republican voting base in Nevada dislike Republicans almost as much as they dislike Harry Reid. The taping however is so obviously a spoof of the voters that many may find it insulting to their intelligence. Plotting such a fasade and think the voters aren't smart enough to see through that will probably turn off even more many on the right who already aren't happy with the candidate on their GOP ticket.

Posted by: ThePostRail | October 4, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't really care about what the leaked tape entails, but isn't recording a conversation like this a felony unless there's either permission from the party, or a warrant?

Posted by: charlesbakerharris
++++++ Yes it's a serious offense. Just ask Richard Nixon. He wasn't even responsible for the secret tapings but he attempted to cover it up which even that was an impeachable offense. So I think it's pretty obvious that this conversation was set up and agreed to by both Angle and Ashijun then released to the media. Obviously they have crunched the numbers and realize the Republican voting base in Nevada dislike Republicans almost as much as they dislike Harry Reid. The taping however is so obviously a spoof of the voters that many may find it insulting to their intelligence. Plotting such a fasade and think the voters aren't smart enough to see through that will probably turn off even more many on the right who already aren't happy with the candidate on their GOP ticket.

Posted by: ThePostRail | October 4, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand Sharron Angle. I think she is a whackjob. I hope she loses. Yet I am completely sympathetic to her over the fact she was surreptitiously taped and is having the recording used against her. Scott Ashijan is a first-rate jerk.

Posted by: pepperjade | October 4, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Those comments do nothing, but help her for the average independent voter who is sick of both parties.

Posted by: bassassin | October 4, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Because many voters will probably sympathize with her over the surreptitious taping."

WTF you talking about, Kurtz? Is this the same sympathy that the general public feels toward Mel Gibson for his own secretly-taped remarks?

Posted by: ComfortablyDumb | October 4, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA! This is hilarious.

The Spokeswoman For Teabbagger Lunatic Sharron Angle Condemns.....Sharron Angle

You know you're having a bad day when one of your spokeswomen condemns you for peddling propaganda:


"The chairwoman of the Nevada Republican Hispanic Caucus, who moonlights as a spokeswoman for Sharron Angle, this week denounced the Republican U.S. Senate candidate's ad on immigration."

"Tibi Ellis on Monday told 1060 AM Spanish radio host Edwin Saldarriaga that she doesn't agree with Angle's depiction of illegal immigrants in a campaign ad released earlier this month."

"I condemned this type of propaganda, no matter who is running them, where they blame Mexicans as the only problem and where they attack them as the only source of illegal immigration," Ellis told Saldarriaga. "I don't agree with that."

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/nevada-wonk/2010/sep/28/sharron-angle-spokeswoman-condemns-her-candidates-/


Proving only that the job market in Nevada is really rough. A situation, by the way, that nutty Sharron Angle says wouldn't be her job to address if she's elected.

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Posted by: DrainYou | October 4, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party needs to form a shadow Supreme Court and give reasoned arguments about why all the things the Democrats do or say are unconstitutional. They could also form a shadow president and cabinet and swear allegiance only to this radical provisional government.

Posted by: CitizenWhy | October 4, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The American people and American small business want lower taxes for EVERYON

Posted by: AngryMobVoter


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Speak for yourself and don't lump me into your right-wing-everyman statement, jackass.

Posted by: thornwalker1 | October 4, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The extremist Republican party is eventually going to pay a severe electoral price for their beloved Teabagger buffoons like Sharron Angle.

After getting blown out of the water in the last two elections, the Wingnutters are finally favored to make a small comeback. Which is not all that surprising when you consider that these things are cyclical, which also means there's eventually going to be a severe backlash against any of these far right wing extremists who manage to get elected this year.

There's going to be alot of low hanging extremist Republican fruit for the Dems to knock off in the next few elections (after the one this fall).

Posted by: DrainYou | October 4, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey AngryMobVoter ,

It goes to show you that you aiming at the wrong set of people when you should be including Boehner and McConnell for doing, while in the majority. the thing you are railing about.

Posted by: beeker25 | October 4, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

mikem1 writes: "How about: "it's their money, not yours"?"

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How about "it's your country; you have to pay for it."

Why is it you folks think this country runs for free? Why is it the people bellyaching the most about paying taxes are also the ones getting the most government services? Why is it our country's most profitable and best times were when we had significantly higher tax rates than we have now, back in the 1950s and 1960s? Why is it that people who will never be in the top 2% can't wait to fetch water and defend and cowtow to that top 2%?

Posted by: gasmonkey | October 4, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

@ angrymobvoter,

Just which regulations do you propose we do away with? The ones that protect you from contaminated food and water? The ones that mandate operator training and mechanical safety for public transportation, such as airlines? The ones that prevent companies from selling medicines like Thalidomide? How about the ones that keep companies from selling baby toys colored with lead paint? Maybe throw out traffic laws, too? Let people drive drunk at 60 mph through residential neighborhoods?

I'm old enough to remember when we had a lot less regulation. Factories spewed soot and noxious chemicals into the air from smokestacks; they dumped poisons freely into waterways - downstream, all the fish were floaters. They buried heavy metals and other carcinogens, contaminating groundwater and the wells that drew from them.

Want to go back to those days?

I don't, thank you. I'll vote Democratic.

Posted by: Pamsm | October 4, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The tea party advocates do need to be part of a national political party that is willing to represent there views. The republican party has in the past supported the principle of a free people which is the tea party biggest concern and the constitutional rights of the people. This is the highest standard of of our nations political responsibility.
What the democrats are trying to do is divide and conquer the tea party from the republicans, which is becoming there only way to guarantee their political victory. The republican party and the tea party need to be committed to the principle of "United we Stand,or divided we fall."

Posted by: dj_ingraham | October 4, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

When Republicans talk about the American people they are referring only to their supporters. I wonder what they call those who don't support them? Have I lost my citizenship? They surely don't speak for me. I am not a not a numb skull.

Posted by: fasm7700 | October 4, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, the curse of the third candidate in the race! They know they can't win, but their egos prevent them from dropping out. So, they will act as selfish spoilers just for the fun of it and to land a good poke in the eyes of their opponents. Revenge in its impurest form I suppose....

Posted by: Tommypie | October 4, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

AngryMob wrote: "The last I checked, the lower and middle class do not create jobs, it is higher income people who take risks and put up capital to start and expand businesses and HIRE PEOPLE."
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Haha - that is SO PATHETIC! Go check again. Most jobs in this country are created by small mom-and-pop businesses and by middle-class people. Wealthy people let their money earn more money by creative finacial instruments, not by starting businesses.

Posted by: gasmonkey | October 4, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

All libs have left now is call people names.....thats all they have left till after the election..then it will be all over but the crying...

Posted by: corebanks1940 | October 4, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Funny. She actually makes 100% sense in the recording. If she talked that sensical all the time, she might actually win.

Posted by: baldinho | October 4, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

William Buckley, the Father of the Conservative movement, c 1957....

>>>>The central question that emerges.......is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not prevail numerically? The sobering answer is Yes — the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is a fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists.

Posted by: angie12106 | October 4, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

***She is clearly no rubber stamp for the establishment***

Nope, just a raving lunatic taking her counsel from house plants and radio waves beaming in from Planet Zeep. Doing a nice job, though, of demonstrating just how crazy the extreme Right really is. Whackjobs R' Us should be their new mantra.

Posted by: Jerryvov | October 4, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Try to imagine it, Reid and Angle as matter and anti-matter. If only they could meet.
Somewhere out in the northern Nevada deserts of course, wouldn't want any real humans to be destroyed as well.

Posted by: eezmamata | October 4, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

***If she talked that sensical all the time, she might actually win***

Sensical, baldinho? Is that the native language on Planet Zeep?

Posted by: Jerryvov | October 4, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@CharlesBakerHarris - It depends on the state, but most states, including Nevada, allow one person to tape conversations without advising the other party. This is from The Expert Pages (http://expertpages.com/news/taping_conversations.htm)

A majority of the states and territories have adopted wiretapping statutes based on the federal law. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia permit an individual to record a conversation to which they are a party without informing the other party that they are doing so. These laws are referred to as “one-party consent” statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it.

Twelve states require, under most circumstances, the consent of all parties to a conversation. Those jurisdictions are California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington. Be aware that you will sometimes hear these referred to inaccurately as “two-party consent” laws. If there are more than two people involved in the conversation, all must consent to the taping.

Posted by: tgaylord1999 | October 4, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the Republicans and the Democrats don't get it. They've had a rotten foreign policy, they spend like the devil, make laws and exclude themselves from them, give themselves all sorts of special privileges, retirement pay, pay raises, health care - forever - pass more laws that benefit the large corporations while screwing us, help corporations take their jobs out of the country and act like lords in general and wonder why we're upset.
BUT! As far as taxes go, although I would love to see them go bye-bye, we're n a hole (That they dug) but who is going to pay the debt and how? You can be sure the ones who racked up this debt, from Reagan to Obama, aren't. You can also be sure that they aren't going to cut the military budget or bring our troops home or put a tax on goods imported from cheap labor countries to bring jobs back. So that means we are going to pay it and that means taxes dang it. All we can do to demand they stop these wars, bring the troops home and cut military spending. As for the taxes you have to figure it out. Who's enjoying the wealth and who's getting by? What is a "fair share?" I think the wealthy can afford a little more while the shrinking middle class can't.
Somebody is going to pay. Who is it going to be?

Posted by: thestoryplease | October 4, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Uh, the budget of the United States was balanced as of January 19th, 2001. Employment was doing pretty well and people were in a good mood despite divided government. I wonder what happened to all of that?
Posted by: mgiangr1
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Well, in the first place, the budget was not balanced. Not when you back out the billions Congress and the administration "borrowed" from the Social Security Trust Fund.
Secondly, the damage of NAFTA and other 'global economy' tactics on American jobs was just getting underway, with the full impact still another decade away.
More immediate, though, was the 2001 recession.
So you can revise history, but you can't relive it, try as you may.

Posted by: mtpeaks | October 4, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I have not heard one single idea on exactly how to fix anything from the GOP Tea Party. Not one...it's all the same stuff,lower taxes and cut spending and we need jobs and don't touch MY social Security or Medicare. A bunch of whining little girls who have lost their marbles, empty heads and cold hearts.

Posted by: houndog | October 4, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Ronald Reagan deregulated the financial systems including the banks and reduced the size of the Government. Bill Clinton worked extremenly diligent to place the government in the best financial position ever and mostly eliminated the welfare systems. George W. Bush used trickle down econonics to gave the surplus money away to the rich not to mention the fabricated war that we are still fighting at the expense of going in debt with China. The deregulation and trickle down money stayed at the top to take lavish vacations by banks CEO's and big bonus moneies paid to Market Traders and bank CEO's. Everyone seems to forget about AIG, CitiBank, and no gound rules with TARP under Bush. Mortgage foreclosures are the direct essences of financial deregulating, poor judgment, and hanging chads in Florida during election 2000 Bush v. Gore. The financial deregulating, small government, eliminating wellfare, the vote recount, going in debt with China, and the war did not work. Being the party of "no" is not working either. Now, you want to get back in office to screw up the one thing that is working in this country, "small business." Please!

Posted by: rrcrosby | October 4, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest; Angle is as big a loon as O'Donnell, and both are GOP nominees because their state parties are in tatters.

In Nevada, the state GOP establishment was behind "the chicken lady" first, and now is stuck with a Bible-beater in America's biggest brothel. Nice work.

In Delaware, the GOP had a viable candidate, but they could not turn out their voters to keep Castle in the race.

Neither case indicates a party organization run by competent individuals.

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ANGLE AND O'DONNELL SURE ARE A HECK OF A LOT BETTER THAN MAXINE WATERS OR CHARLIE RANGEL NOW AREN'T THEY?

Posted by: COOLCHILLY | October 4, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

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Give me a break. Wake up...The "higher income people" are those professionals in the top 20 per cent who are doctors,lawyers, bankers,ect....like me. They do not create jobs,I do not create jobs,I will never create a job.. if I get extra money from a tax break it goes in my bank account. our class of Americans just do not create jobs, we never have and never will. Well, we do hire yard workers and pool cleaners, stuff like that but you would never do that stuff anyway. It's the corporations and heavy industry that create jobs and what they need is a regulation PREVENTING them from using "slave status"guest workers or illegal aliens and to stop shipping jobs to third world countries. You middle class folks who support the wealthy are truly in the dark.

Posted by: houndog | October 4, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

ANGLE AND O'DONNELL SURE ARE A HECK OF A LOT BETTER THAN MAXINE WATERS OR CHARLIE RANGEL NOW AREN'T THEY?

Posted by: COOLCHILLY | October 4, 2010 7:09 PM

Hmmmmm...no, ones a wannabe witch and the other is just plain mean

Posted by: houndog | October 4, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break. Wake up...The "higher income people" are those professionals in the top 20 per cent who are doctors,lawyers, bankers,ect....like me.
Posted by: houndog
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Houndog, has it gotten so bad for the progressives that you have to post falsehoods like this?
BTW, it's percent, not per cent.

Posted by: mtpeaks | October 4, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't really care about what the leaked tape entails, but isn't recording a conversation like this a felony unless there's either permission from the party, or a warrant?

Posted by: charlesbakerharris

Each state has their own laws. Are you handicapped and unable to look it up?

Are you equally concerned whether Sharron Angle's offer of access constitutes attempted bribery?

Posted by: James10 | October 4, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

It's a safe bet that Sharron Angle won't sue. If she does that opens the door for her and her staff to be deposed. In which case a decent lawyer would be pursuing her statement of being sorry about the lawsuits and death threats against Scott Ashijan.

Not sure why that hasn't got more press. It's clearly on the tapes.

Maybe it's legal in Nevada to threaten to kill your opponent.

Posted by: James10 | October 4, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

A good example of not looking before leaping....even this person has on occasion failed to check dictionaries when in doubt....

***If she talked that sensical all the time, she might actually win***

Sensical, baldinho? Is that the native language on Planet Zeep?

Posted by: Jerryvov | October 4, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

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Back-formation from nonsensical.
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sensical (comparative more sensical, superlative most sensical)

1. (neologism) That makes sense; showing internal logic; sensible.  [quotations ▼]
* 1986, Fred D'Agostino, Chomsky's System of Ideas, Clarendon Press, p. 189:

A nonsensical sentence, then, is one which is inconsistent with S, while a sensical sentence is one which is consistent with S.

* 1998, William Storm, After Dionysus: a theory of the tragic, Cornell University Press, p. 41

It contains […] no intrinsic propositions concerning whether its effects are sensical or not.

* 2001, Alexandra Styron, All the Finest Girls, Back Bay, p. 127:

There I waited, exiled from the realm of sensical thoughts, for Lou's sons to find me.

* 2004, John C. Welchman, Mike Kelley: Minor Histories, MIT Press, "Introduction", p. xxii:

So it starts with the sensical, and through shifts in syntax and cadence, goes completely abstract.

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Posted by: Gonzage1 | October 4, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHA Dingy Harry sure is desperate. I wonder if Angle had any illegal alien nannys? I'm sure its about to come out!
BYE HARRY! DONT LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT

Posted by: southbaybruce | October 4, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused... The Tea Party candidate taped the conversation and then took it public?

How does that make the Tea Party candidate look good? This is neophyte politics. At least Angle has the "cookies" to speak about this and figure out a way to win. Deal making is part of politics. Is anyone shocked by that fact?

Rs, Ds, Is, it's all about making a deal to get what you want.

For some idiot journalist from the Las Vegas Sun, maybe this is new...

Posted by: ravioliman6666 | October 4, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

There you are James10 - Chicken!! Couldn't take the heat?? He He!!

Posted by: veritas7 | October 4, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Proclaimed “Tea Party” candidate Scott Ashjian has managed to insinuate himself into the Senate race in Nevada, but this time he may have outsmarted himself. Ashjian admitted that he secretly taped a phone conversation between himself and Republican nominee Sharron Angle while they negotiated a way for him to exit the race, and then leaked the tape to Nevada journalist Jon Ralston. That may put Ashjian at risk of felony prosecution for wiretapping:

Posted by: corebanks1940 | October 4, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Boy, there's nothing more annoying than an average citizen running for political office.
I mean, who do they think they are? These high-level government jobs require the finesse that only a professional politician can bring.
Look at the Pa. Senate primary race. Did WH operatives get directly involved? No, as true pros, they got Bill Clinton to make the job offer if the opponent dropped out.
And what about Harry Reid? His genius in making those state bribes to get health care passed are still legend in DC.
So please, let's leave the job of running the government to the professionals.
They surely have our best interests at heart...

Posted by: mtpeaks | October 4, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Tea Bagger's are dirty and sleazy.

If they do this kind of stuff to their own Tea Bagger's, there is no telling what they will do to you.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | October 4, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Boy, there's nothing more annoying than an average citizen running for political office.
I mean, who do they think they are? These high-level government jobs require.....Bla bla bla hey Mtpeaks, you know what they require? A brain. Something your precious rightwing GOP Teagag people seem to be lacking. Phone taps? Wannabe witches? Hanging out with Voodoo Priests? Trying to define evolution as a fallacy cause "you can't see the monkeys become human in the zoo"? I hope ya'll win and get a go at it. I'll just make sure I turn my money into Canadian Dollars and stay indoors for a couple years. It's gonna be great...

Posted by: houndog | October 4, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Basically, what Crazy Sharron is saying is that once she gets in, she and her other lunatic friends (McDonnel, Miller,etc.) will own the Repub party. She can and will force them to lick her boots and kiss her hinney. She is probably right! BTW, I thought Teabaggers were against deal-making.

Posted by: Blackman2 | October 4, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Tea Partiers are nothing but angry white people who claim to be patriots, but in fact, are anything but because they refuse to accept a lawful, democratic election we had in 2008; you know, the one they lost -- the voters will again speak in 2010; if the Dems lose, the voters have spoken - actually, most Tea Partiers won't admit it, but as a white southerner here in the Bible Belt, they are in fact racist as the day is long --

The few ethnic people represented in the Tea Party are just too blind to realize that they will never, never, never be actually welcomed into their tent, no matter what - you will always be less than they - and Tea Partiers, please spare me the lying denying this --

Posted by: southernbutnotstupid | October 4, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%!
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And this is a reason to increase the deficit beyond it's historically high level? Besides, most of those "top 1%" find a way not to pay taxes. The smart way is to do what Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have done -- give it all away to charity and write it all off on your taxes.

You can't take it with you.

Posted by: MadamDeb | October 4, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

There is a common character trait seen among this recent crop of tea-sipping political wannabes -- an unwillingness to recognize one's own weaknesses and accept responsibility for one's own failings.

Much easier to run from the press and point your finger at others, claiming that they are cause of all of your own problems.

Posted by: labman57 | October 4, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Yawn. Conservative tactics don't work, we have suffered them for THREE DECADES. What stupidity presenting the old as "new and improved." Republicans have NOTHING to offer the USA intellectually or politically. Whatever it is with them its the same old crap, new day.

Posted by: socialmedic | October 4, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

SHE'S BASICALLY CONCEDED BY BLAMING THE GOP FOR LACK OF POPULARITY. SHE'S A JOKE.

Posted by: skinfreak | October 4, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Many of the voters in the tea party and GOP are voting for politicians who back policies not in many of the voters best interest.

It has taken decades for country to get into this financial spiral but many voters are looking for a quick fix. This is the end result of the dumbing down of America. While most of America has been watching reality shows, the true reality is that has passed them by. When voters need people to do their thinking for them, then they will follow the those who want them kept uninformed.

While I may agree Senator Harry Reid is not qualified to be leader of the senate. America can ill afford to elect people like Sarah Palin, Rand Paul and Sharron Angle. Rand Paul for different reasons, although he is educated if wants to take back to the industrial age taking the rights of minorities and women away. Palin and Angle are both ill-informed about policy and history.

Corporate America and the upper 3% have flourished while the rest have lost jobs, healthcare, homes and families. Rarely mentioned in the news is that jobs shipped overseas the cost of manufacturing is at an all time low, the price of the same product has risen dramatically. All this has been accomplished while we have not enforced Trade Agreements, human rights or our borders.

Corporate America needs to reinvest in this country , rather than waiting for america to rebound then get all they can get before the next economic downturn.

It surprises me that the tea party is totally separate of the Republican Party. They have yet to realize that they were never invited to the party, let alone the dance. Thereby, always being used for their votes but never uplifting 90% of american including themselves.

The United States Constitution should read "America is by the People for all the People."

Posted by: danthony930 | October 5, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

The column is called "Media Notes," but this has no direct relation to the media. It's politics. So why is Howie writing about it at all, except as an excuse to jump on a moral soapbox about "tea party tactics"? I think the Teabaggers are a pathetic (albeit dangerous) joke, but a "reporter" who can't even correctly spell the name of the guy he's complaining about--it's ASHJIAN, not ASHIJAN--should not be putting on any airs of superiority.

Howie, you'd best just stick to your lame musings about the meaning of the latest anchor firing or your transparent spinning of the latest internal WaPo scandal. You're waaaaaay out of your league when it comes to writing political commentary.

Posted by: whatmeregister | October 5, 2010 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10% pay 64.89% (Down from 2000 figure: 67.33%). The top 25% pay 82.9% (Down from 2000 figure: 84.01%). The top 50% pay 96.03% (Down from 2000 figure: 96.09%). The bottom 50%? They pay a paltry 3.97% of all income taxes. The top 1% is paying more than ten times the federal income taxes than the bottom 50%!
Posted by: corebanks1940
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So what? They need to pay more, they NEED to pay Eisenhower taxes or Reagan taxes if they want to continue to live the nice fat life they've had for the last 60 years. No one is debating the "percentages" of who pays what, the poor can ill afford to pay much of anything, the middle class is getting wiped out and the upper classes want a free lunch. What they should do is talk to their parents or grandparents and see how much it really costs to live in a free and open society.On the other hand,if you like oppression and need...vote the GOP Teabag Party into power. No ideas and semi literate candidates.Always a winning formula.

Posted by: houndog | October 5, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Heard1. Regardless of whether you where Blue/Red or Purple, we should not be acting like Crips & Bloods--which is exactly what some of this conversation resembles.

We should be debating what it is we want from our representatives and how they should conduct themselves, whether they represent the red, blue or whatever. Maybe we just don't have enough of a sense of the true issues as stake to have substantive conversations about the issues that are most important to us (i.e. family, financial and physical health, safety, and a return to the America that we all know and love.

None of us really know how to make this happen. But we damn sure need to be honest about who we trust to get us there. That said, does this woman with the clandestine phone call really sound like someone who can help us get out of this mess? Please, tell me the truth!

Posted by: The_Truth3 | October 5, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

hey AngryMobVoter, there's a Darwin Award out there with your name on it. Go and win it!Posted by: SpecTP | October 4, 2010 12:46 PM
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SpecTP: Thank you!

Posted by: dakotahgeo | October 5, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

hey AngryMobVoter, there's a Darwin Award out there with your name on it. Go and win it!Posted by: SpecTP | October 4, 2010 12:46 PM
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SpecTP: Thank you!

Posted by: dakotahgeo | October 5, 2010 2:09 AM | Report abuse

hey AngryMobVoter, there's a Darwin Award out there with your name on it. Go and win it!Posted by: SpecTP | October 4, 2010 12:46 PM
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SpecTP: Thank you!

Posted by: dakotahgeo | October 5, 2010 2:10 AM | Report abuse

hey AngryMobVoter, there's a Darwin Award out there with your name on it. Go and win it!Posted by: SpecTP | October 4, 2010 12:46 PM
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SpecTP: Thank you!

Posted by: dakotahgeo | October 5, 2010 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Why does anything she says surprise any of you. The fact that she is seeing the light at the end of tunnel, and finding it is an oncoming train is pretty funny. If you think about it, her trying to wheel and deal like a true politician is the first intelligent thing she has done in her campaign.

Posted by: remodeling | October 5, 2010 2:13 AM | Report abuse

HAHAHHA, dems are pathetic in trying to tar sharon angle.

a conservative elected official promises to introduce a second elected official to...a THIRD conservative elected official..AND, wait for it, maybe a FOURTH conservative elected official.

Why, if these conservatives candidates actually start meeting each other, what will be next? Perhaps Obama can address it at the State of the Union by yelling at the SCOTUS.

Posted by: dummypants | October 5, 2010 4:05 AM | Report abuse

no, if Angle was a REAL bizness as usually Pol like Obama, She would have offered him a job on her senate staff like Obama did according to Specter in PA and Romanoff in CO. By passing him off to Demint for lunch and maybe some hunting or fishing, Angle maintained her integrity while trying to pull together the stray 2 or 3% points of the conservative electorate. Clean and smart and strategic. Not bad at all.

Posted by: dummypants | October 5, 2010 4:10 AM | Report abuse

No, it says much more about you, Ralston, and the sort of journalism you practice.

Posted by: suegbic1 | October 5, 2010 4:35 AM | Report abuse

Good for Sharon Angle! She's absolutely right! The old-guard Neocons in the Repub party are almost as bad as the Dems - they're both big government liberals!

This news just makes me want to send her more money!

Where's my checkbook? We need to be SURE that lady makes it to DC!

Posted by: Jsalley82 | October 5, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

The fact that Sharron Angle was caught on tape trying to get her "Republican" opponant to drop out of a race that he has no chance of winning, can only help Angle. This shows that's she's a real conservative who doesn't have the blessing of the Republican establishment. That can only work in her favor. Also the fact that her opponent, (what's his name?), insists on still running, while not having a chance of winning, shows that he's a plant from the Harry Reid camp, to take votes from Sharron Angle. Does anyone with self respect want to vote for a candidate as weak as Harry Reid?

NOVEMBER IS ALMOST HERE!

WE'LL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!

Posted by: barrysal | October 5, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't see anything wrong with what Angle did in her meeting with Ashijan, but that doesn't address her underlying Bats in the Belfry problem.

But then again what really needs to be said about a state that's made up of nothing but Something For Nothing seekers, The Mob, and Krazy Kaukasion Khristians? Has there EVER been a politician from Nevada who's been worth a whorehouse token?

Posted by: andym108 | October 5, 2010 6:51 AM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is refuting the Bush/Rove Presidency. So there is nothing unusual about Angle's statements whatsoever.

I am going to tell you people now that Tea Party losses in November are insignificant. The Tea Party is a strong, robust movement and the GOP is wise to form a coalition. The Tea Party will be more controlling of the GOP than the Liberals are of the Democrats.

Posted by: hz9604 | October 5, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Angle's comments show the obvious. Not even Republicans have any respect for Republicans.

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Nice line.

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There you are James10 - Chicken!! Couldn't take the heat?? He He!!

Posted by: veritas7 | October 4, 2010 8:02 PM

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As we both know you quit. Announced you were going to bed and couldn't take it anymore being 73.

73 years old and couldn't answer a single question. Even in your own field, of allegedly 16 years, you couldn't answer a single question. What a waste of a life. 73 years gone and nothing to show for it other than a functioning brain stem.

Posted by: James10 | October 5, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

"Top 5% pay 53.25% of all income taxes (Down from 2000 figure: 56.47%). The top 10 blah, blah, blah"

Of course the poor don't pay INCOME tax because thay have little INCOME. Would you expect a person without a car to pay gasoline tax?

And why restrict to INCOME tax? Let's look at ALL taxes. Then the poorest 20% pay at a higher rate the the richest 20%.

For those who are not stupid and lazy, go to factcheck.org for more details.

Posted by: lensch | October 5, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Good lord the tea party is quite the mob of angry idiots. They're quite obviously composed of the 1 in 5 people dumb enough to drink the pool water. They're also the same ones who make doing that something of an issue...

They're the party of no brains. It's sad, they're not conservative at all. Not only that, they can't manage to deal with the definition & use of normal words. Reading is apparently one of those fundamentals they never spent much quality time on.

Posted by: Nymous | October 5, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Why aren't the media reporting upon Angle's attempt to buy off her opponent?

And why isn't Angle offering a clearer version of her side of this story?

Posted by: FirstMouse1 | October 5, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

It is the responsiblity of the GOP to give Sharon Angle all the support they can, no matter how unqualified and untrustworthy she may be.

Posted by: jake555 | October 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Instead of lowering taxes for the rich and big corporations, how about bringing the troops home from the Christian Oil Crusades,
stopping the tax exemption for politically active religions, enforcing immigration laws with ILLEGAL employers, and finding Democrats who are not such threats, real or imagined, to business?

The radical extremist religious right has hijacked Jesus, the Republican Party, American jobs and the flow of money to get their own selfish ways.

Democrats and independents need to lead the nation with solutions instead of kow towing to Israel and to Palin's corner lot adolescent "Christian" bullies who won't play with others unless they get to be quarterback.

Posted by: areyousaying | October 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I hate to pile on AngryMobVoter any more, others here have already shown him to be a clown, but his very theory is (of course) wrong to begin with.
He whines: "The American people and American small business want lower taxes for EVERYONE while Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the Democrats will raise taxes on some..." Er, no. Poll after poll show overwhelmingly the American people want taxes cut on the middle class and raised on the rich.
There's something pathetic about these right-wingers who have conniptions about slightly higher taxes on their rich masters. It would be almost endearing, if it wasn't so stupid.

Posted by: Manhattan1 | October 5, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The difficulty with Angry Mob Voter is just that - he/she represents an "Angry" "Mob" who "Votes" out of "Anger" and as a "Mob"

Since when has the Rebublican Party favored small business, since when has the Republican Party reduced the size or intrusiveness of the Federal Government, since when has the Republican Party favored tax breaks for the middle class and not the rich. Please, think before you cast an ANGRY MOB vote. We'll all be better off.

Posted by: ken40 | October 5, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, and this is what the Republicans have to offer, she is just so far out there it is ridiculous.

Posted by: audrey2010 | October 5, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

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