Out of Bounds

Over the last seven years, military officers and senior political appointees have skirmished on a variety of topics, from pre-Iraq war intelligence to troop levels to the conduct of counterinsurgency operations. But in one area, detention and interrogation policy, military officers have pushed back particularly hard against what they perceive to be fundamentally flawed (and blatantly unlawful) decisions by the Bush administration.

The latest skirmish takes place at Guantanamo Bay. Navy Capt. Keith Allred, a judge presiding over the military commission for Salim Ahmed Hamdan, issued an opinion barring Air Force Brig. Gen. Thomas Hartmann from any further participation in the prosecution, because of his vigorous public advocacy on behalf of the Pentagon and pressure on lawyers handling the cases, among other things.

According to the Times:

The judge, a navy captain, provided the critics with pages of new material to underscore their attacks on the system. He said he accepted accusations by a former Guantánamo chief prosecutor, Col. Morris D. Davis, that a military official with broad powers over the tribunal system, Brig. Gen. Thomas W. Hartmann, had exerted improper influence over the prosecutors.

"Telling the chief prosecutor (and other prosecutors)," the decision said, "that certain types of cases would be tried and that others would not be tried, because of political factors such as whether they would capture the imagination of the American people, be sexy, or involve blood on the hands of the accused, suggests that factors other than those pertaining to the merits of the case were at play."

In the past, General Hartmann had denied that he had political motives in pressing for progress in what has been a problem-plagued war crimes system.

But the decision sided with Colonel Davis, who has become a harsh critic of the system he once helped run. His most contentious claim has been that General Hartmann pressed him to use evidence that he had rejected because it had been obtained through interrogation techniques critics view as torture, like the simulated drowning known as waterboarding.

The judge, Capt. Keith J. Allred, noted that prosecutors have an ethical obligation to present only evidence they consider reliable. At a hearing in Guantánamo on April 28, Colonel Davis testified that before General Hartmann was appointed last summer, prosecutors had been building cases without using evidence derived through waterboarding because Colonel Davis considered it unreliable. He testified that General Hartmann overruled that approach.

Judge Allred wrote that directing the use of "evidence that the chief prosecutor considered tainted and unreliable, or perhaps obtained as a result of torture or coercion, was clearly an effort to influence the professional judgment of the chief prosecutor."

It's looking increasingly likely that the military commissions at Guantanamo Bay will never go forward. Which may or may not be a good thing, depending on your perspective. Nonetheless, this ball is going to be punted into the hands of the next administration, and they're going to have to run with it. All three candidates have said they plan to close Guantanamo Bay. But that will not moot the issue of what to actually dowith these prisoners -- particularly the decision to as whether to try them or not.

I tend to think that we have botched the commissions process so badly that the only viable path at this point is to try these men in federal criminal court or by military courts-martial. At least then we could trust the process, and hope that the process would confer some legitimacy on the results.

By Phillip Carter |  May 11, 2008; 8:53 AM ET  | Category:  Law
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The fact that any possible trial has again been postponed is in accordance with White House wishes. ANY trial will result in either an immediate acquittal, providing one or more prisoners who then must be released without any control on his activity, or an appeal that would eventually become public knowledge. EVERY trial ends up making George look some unacceptable kind of bad. EVERY trial makes the U. S. look like the most thuggish dictators we ever opposed. No trial shows us in a good light because of the delays, tainted, or concocted evidence, suborned courts. Every acquittal produces men who are now justifiably mortal enemies of the United states, and gives their families, clans, tribes, countries grounds to be our mortal enemy. The demonstratably innocent prisoners have been robbed of life, family, dignity, and there is simply no way to compensate them for their losses.

All George can hope for is time to run and hide before the numerous criminal detentions become openly indictable. There are enough patently innocent detainees in Guantanamo, at his direct orders, to cause the ICJ to want him in sombody's jail forever.

Maybe he better try to buy than land in Paraguay.

Posted by: ceflynline@msn.com | May 11, 2008 8:10 PM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 7:11 AM

Take some time and search the web for Hartmann's credentials. He is a reserve officer with no significant trial experience since his release from active duty in 1991. His civilian occupation is general counsel to Mxenergy, Inc, which supplies natural gas and electricity to residential and commercial customers in deregulated energy markets. Hardly a source of skills necessary for his role as "Chief Legal Adviser to the Convening Authority".

A little more deep searching will show his activities in party politics. Want to guess?

A while back, when asked if he would consider it "torture" if Iranians waterboarded US servicemembers, his stellar response was "I am not equipped to handle that question."

So, we have a legal lightweight in the position of legal adviser, and he comes up against a real judge. The results were easily predicted. Get used to it folks. This is the best this administration can do.

Al

Posted by: Aviator47 | May 12, 2008 7:12 AM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 7:20 AM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 7:35 AM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 7:51 AM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 7:55 AM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 8:23 AM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 8:39 AM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 9:00 AM

Phil,

Do you know what BG Hartmann's "day job" is? I'm curious and can't find out what it is. I know that he's a USAFR officer who left active duty in the early '90s, but what does he do on the civilian side?

I'm especially curious because I've been poring over (slowly) the mountain of FOIA documents that David Barstow got the DoD to release concerning the "military analyst" story. The stuff is unbelievable ... worth reading if you have the chance. The records show that "Cully" Stimson (the guy who tried to launch a PR offensive attacking the patriotism of law firms representing the GITMO detainees) pretty much ran the PA efforts on these VIP visits and that he - not DoD Public Affairs - vetted the lists. Big surprise - Mssrs. Casey and Rivkin were on the visits with the analysts.

http://www.dod.mil/pubs/foi/milanalysts/

Bottom line, I just am trying to get a better sense of where Hartmann fits into all this ... who he is ... and whose water he carries in civilian life.

P.S. The most disgusting take-away from these documents is the flippant, cavalier attitude of the DoD PA appointees like Allison Barber, Dallas Lawrence and Eric Ruff. Why is Barber still on the payroll? Especially alarming is the collegial email exchanges between these hacks and serving military PAO officers like COL Gary Keck, LTC Mark Ballesteros and CAPT Roxie Merritt. If you recall, LTC Ballesteros is the DoD point man these days telling us why felons are GOOD for the Army.

Most depressing thing I've read so far is DoD appointee Dallas Lawrence's email exchange with Fox News "analysts" LTG McInerney and MG Vallely expressing his desire to "slap these traitors across the face." The "traitors"? GEN Tony Zinni, MG John Batiste, LTG Gregory Newbold and MG Paul Eaton. Here's Dallas Lawrence bio ... mighty big words for a 28 year old Navy Reservist ...

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202809&DID=238834

If it were a fair world, these folks would be branded pariahs and never work again and their uniformed acolytes, who the email records clearly show went above and beyond to assist in every way possible, would never see another promotion.

Posted by: IRR Soldier... | May 12, 2008 9:23 AM

I don't know why that happened ...

Sorry all

(P.S. now I know how "Michael of up.West.Side now Jeruslaem feels);)

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 1:08 PM

Oh goodness, he we are again. When the smoke clears and the tape unwinds, at the heart of the problem we find another a Republican political hack promoted beyond his ability because he's a "good Bushie".
They'll be the death of us all if we don't put a stop to it.

Posted by: Dijetlo | May 12, 2008 1:47 PM

IRR Soldier,
You may find Dallas Lawrence's desire to "slap these traitors across the face" depressing.

I find it enraging. First, this is exactly the bullcrap bravado that got us into this war, from the President on down. Second, to question the patriotism of anyone opposed to what the Administration wants to do is a standard tactic. Even if that person is a combat veteran. Zinni, Kerry, Murtha, the list goes on and makes my blood boil. Mr. Lawrence deserves the slap.

By the way, did you notice that Mr. Lawerence was one of the CPA whiz kids?

Posted by: DanPatrick | May 12, 2008 4:47 PM

DanPatrick,

Good catch. Thank you for pointing that out. The CPA? Amazing.

Aviator47/Al,

Thansk for your insight/background re: Hartmann. Shocking, but not surprising. It makes sense that these devils would use a Reserve officer to lead the military commissions process rather than an ostensibly "apolitical" RA one. Why? By their Reserve status, they can participate in more "on the record" political activities and the DoD handlers have a better means to gauge/vett their choices.

BTW, read through the FOIA'd documents I linked to above. There are a number of emails where MG Hood (former CG of GITMO) and BG Hemmingway (Hartmann's predecessor) are directly contacting/being contacted by the right wind pundit class w/o going through PAO channels. It's all there in black and white ... crazt stuff. The "analysts" like LTG McInerney and MG Vallely along with Jed Babbin, Bing West, James Jay Crafano and Hugh Hewitt had direct, unfettered access to Hood and Hemmingway.

Posted by: IRR Soldier ... | May 12, 2008 7:28 PM

If we're going to be totally honest about it, rather than praise military officers as a group for "pushing back" against Bush Administration policies, I'd like to be a little more specific. ISTM it's military lawyers, who are of course officers, who've done the majority of the "pushing back." And I think they deserve a great deal of respect for their actions.

Non-lawyer senior officers in particular have seemed to be characterized mostly by their eagerness to follow whatever orders they receive from their political superiors. We haven't seen too many qualms of conscience from this group.

Posted by: Publius | May 13, 2008 12:07 AM


Hey IRR,

Whether or not your "right wind pundit class" was intentional or a typo, it's a beauty!

Cheers,

JP

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 1:00 PM

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