Facts for Chuck Norris

By Robert Bateman

Now, the real fact is that I love the "Chuck Norris Facts" genre as much as anybody. For those unaware, these are a series of jokes about what Chuck Norris (or at least his film-alter-ego) can do. My own personal favorites: "Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and killed Amelia Earhart while she was flying over the Pacific Ocean;" and "Chuck Norris can win a game of Trivial Pursuit with one roll of the dice, and without answering a single question... just a nod of the head, and a stroke of the beard." But that does not mean that I, or anyone else, actually takes this actor seriously.

Hmmm. Maybe I need to rethink that. Apparently the other day somebody did try to take Chuck Norris seriously. He appeared on CNN's Larry King Live show as a talking head, discussing politics and defense. Now, what an out-of-work former B-grade movie actor is doing on Larry King as anything but an actor is beyond me. I do not understand the phenomenon, whether it is somebody on the Left or somebody on the Right. But this is an entertainment-focused culture I guess, and Chuck Norris is amusing. He is funny, of course, right up until the point when he claims to have done "two tours in Iraq." At that point he just pisses me off.

So, hopefully somebody will forward this to the people behind the Larry King show on CNN, because I am going to lay some facts out. Think of them as a new set of personal "Facts for Chuck Norris." To be clear on the starting point, this is what Norris said last night:

LARRY KING: The question about the money spent on Iraq was a fair question, Chuck. Isn't that a lot of money?

CHUCK NORRIS: It's a lot of money, but we're spending a lot of money everywhere. We're spending a lot of money on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and we're spending a lot of money that we'll probably winnd up paying off the car dealers, the cars, and the airlines. I mean, we're bailing everybody out. And, uh, we can debate the question of whether we should be in Iraq or not, but we are there and we gotta take care of the situation there. I've been there twice, Arianna. I've done two tours over there. I know what's going on over there. You haven't been there.



Now, for starters, we in the military really do not care if Chuck Norris is a complete and total Creationist, who apparently does not believe in science and who opposes the consensus of the scientific community. We in the military really do not deal with that stuff. Heck, a good number of servicemen are probably also creationists. It doesn't matter. We also do not really care all that much that Norris cheated on his then-wife and fathered a child out of wedlock. Sure, it would be a crime for someone in the military to do that, but Norris has his own set of values to deal with -- he is a Hollywood star and a civilian. Because Norris is just an actor, we in the military really do not care about these things. They don't affect his roundhouse kick, so far as we can tell. We also know that Norris is really animated. All that is fine. But what is not fine is for Norris to go around pretending he did "two tours in Iraq."

Norris is an actor -- not a soldier or a Marine, an actor. While it is cool that Norris spent a few years in the Air Force back in 1958-1962, that only means that he should know what he is talking about. A Marine "tour" in Iraq is 7 months, an Army "tour" is 15 months or 12 months, depending upon when you got there. For Norris, spending 96 hours in Iraq with the USO, getting complete VIP treatment and flying over the country and staying at secure bases, even if he did it twice, is not the same thing. It does not entitle him to make claims like "I've done two tours over there," nor does it mean that he knows even the very first thing about the military operations in Iraq, or anywhere else for that matter. Indeed, if that were so the military would also be turning to Norris's fellow Texan, the blond ingénue Jessica Simpson, for national security advice, since she has also completed Norris's version of a "tour" in Iraq.

The bottom line is that none of us confuse the movies Chuck played in for actually being in combat in Iraq, and I for one wish he would not use his few hours during a USO trip as an intellectual crutch to try and support his opinion about National Security issues. (That is called "Waving the Bloody Shirt." But you see, to use that rhetorical device in the least bit credibly, you need to actually have done something where you might bleed, like a combat tour in Iraq.) Being with the USO does not give him any more credibility in National Defense than it does to the Denver Broncos Cheerleaders, the Cleveland Cavaliers Cheerleaders, or for that matter the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. (Ummm, the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders have also been to Iraq more often and longer than he has, and overall have done 56 USO tours to lousy places over the years. So I suppose they should start doing Larry King as well, right?)

Here, then. are some new "Chuck Norris Facts" for the Larry King show bookers: Chuck Norris is the basis for a drinking game -- just like Love Boat used to be back in the '80s. Chuck Norris is not a combat veteran, though a plastic version of him might be able to lay claim to that title. Chuck Norris may have claimed to have "nerves of steel and strikes to match" -- but that was when he was a cartoon character back in the 80s. Chuck Norris only plays Soldiers and/or Marines in make-believe movies. He has not done a tour in Vietnam, nor rescued POWs there (that was a movie). He has never actually been in Delta Force (that, too, was a movie). And he has never done a tour in Iraq, let alone two, regardless of what he says on your TV show.

Copy?


These opinions are those of the author and do not reflect those of the Department of Defense, the Army, or any element thereof.

By washingtonpost.com |  September 12, 2008; 2:32 PM ET
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Why all this fuss about Chuck Norris. Didn't you see him in The Octagon? If he can take on a group of black-clad ninjas, counter-insurgency in Iraq should be a piece of cake.

Posted by: LT Nixon | September 12, 2008 3:02 PM

Definite misuse of the word "tour". And apparently, Chuck Norris has no sense of scale.

By the time we are done in Iraq we will have spent over a trillion dollars (3 trillion if you ask a nobel prize winning economist) and the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac will cost about 20 billion at most. Sprinkle another 10 billion for Bear Stearns and 20 billion for some others and you are still an order of magnitude less than the Iraq War. I don't support bailouts, but I feel like I get something out of it if it keeps the market from collapsing. I am still waiting for someone to explain the benefits of being in Iraq.

Posted by: tddoog | September 12, 2008 3:06 PM

True to the "style" (if I may so abuse the word) of Nun-Chuck, who began movie life as a cheap imitation Bruce Lee, these "Chuck Norris" facts look like copies of the "Dalton Facts" circulated about the Patrick Swayze character after the movie "Roadhouse" was released. What the hell was NOrris doing on Larry King, pretending he had something to say that was worth listening to? If he's the best the McCain bunch can come up with as a spokesman, Obama has nothing to worry about.

Posted by: JK | September 12, 2008 3:13 PM

Anyone who believes the trash spewing, violently, from the mouths of the Republican Party would probably believe that Chuck Norris did 2 tours in Iraq. In fact anyone dumb enough to believe the lies being told by John McCain and Sarah Palin probably full heartedly believe that Chuck Norris rescued every man and woman serving in Iraq with a few well placed kicks and punches. Don't you get it? These people aren't smarter than fifth graders, how are we supposed to expect them to know reality from fantasy?

Posted by: Charles | September 12, 2008 3:17 PM

He probably meant two USO "tours," which is what they're called. Obviously it came across wrong, but it's hard to believe he actually equates visiting troops with being in combat.

Posted by: Matt | September 12, 2008 3:32 PM

Well just add Chuck 'two tours' Norris to the long list of Repugnicon lies such as:

Proof in the form of a mushroom cloud
I don't recall
We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators
Bring it on
Mission accomplished
link between Saddam and Al Qaeda
tax cuts increase revenue
For the bridge to nowhere before she was against it

Not to mention all the SMEARS against those that questioned their lies such as:

With us, or with the terrorists
Swiftboating of Kerry
Magoo fathered a black child

I could go on all day just listing the MORE BLATANT lies...

Posted by: Liars and theives | September 12, 2008 3:32 PM

Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked someone so hard that his foot broke the speed of light, went back in time, and kicked Chuck's own mom so hard that she dropped him on his head when he was a child.

Maybe that explains the Chuck Norris of today.

Posted by: Outlaw Torn | September 12, 2008 3:34 PM

Blew me away that they had him as some expert(?) on CNN and Ariana had to joust with him? Why not ask little Tommy toddler down the block what HE thinks?

Posted by: Amazed | September 12, 2008 3:44 PM

Who cares what this mediocre, second-rate actor thinks about anything?
Huffington would kick his butt, easily.

Posted by: vegasgirl | September 12, 2008 3:45 PM

What bothered me most was the actor's tone. Arrogance and rudeness are rather ugly traits. Traits that do not support a sense of credibility. I also felt that the host who allowed Norris' childish outbursts failed to do his job.

Posted by: Stoyver | September 12, 2008 3:51 PM

I really enjoyed the non sequitur of how many pages in the tax code. I hope he's good with his fists because the mind is just not there. And his numbers must be for the personal tax code the corporate tax code fills rooms with lots of loopholes so the Fortune 500 pay less taxes than I do.

Posted by: Bozo | September 12, 2008 3:51 PM

Maybe if Bruce Lee was still alive he would put Chuck in his place like he did on the big screen.

Posted by: Sunny In Seattle | September 12, 2008 3:55 PM

Is it true Chuck Norris is a creationist? Does he really think dinosaurs were running around 6,000 years ago chasing cavemen? And someone remind me, why is he a political talking head on TV? I guess if Sarah Palin can run for Vice President,then Chuck Norris can claim to be a political pundit. What's next Brittany Spears for Secretary of Education?

Posted by: A.Lincoln | September 12, 2008 3:57 PM

Kung-Fu Guy and Big Gub-mint get into a ring. Who will leave alive?

But this begs the question - isn't Big Gub-mint a phantom opponent, a bugaboo of the Right--since the most lavish and politically-charged expenditures all go the the Right's cherished defense industry???

Posted by: Jim Kelly | September 12, 2008 4:03 PM

don't know why we haven't just sent chuck over to take care of the whole country in the first place. this all would've been just a bad memory by now if we had.

Posted by: chad | September 12, 2008 4:08 PM

You don't decide how long a tour is Iraq is...Chuck Norris tells you how long it is.

Posted by: Panhandle Willy | September 12, 2008 4:15 PM

Chuck was in the same unit with Jessica Simpson in Iraq.

Posted by: orchidlilly | September 12, 2008 4:17 PM

As a navy vet who did time in the gulf at the beginning of the first Iraq war, I've got to say "bravo-zulu" to you for this. I also saw Norris acting like a graceless-under-pressure nitwit while debating Ms. Huffington. The man is a moron, at best. It's an insult to vets everywhere to have this tin soldier flapping his yap, as if he understands anything. I won't pretend to know what your tour was like, just my own. But an air force guy from the late 50s? You gotta be kidding me.

Posted by: Don | September 12, 2008 4:19 PM

Perfect article... Thank you.

Posted by: Matt | September 12, 2008 4:22 PM

I guess my most disgust with Chuck Norris came in his interview a couple days ago by infamous racist, bigot, Glenn Beck on CNN, Glen Beck was ranting and raving on how minimum wage fast food workers do not pay fair amount of taxes, compared to his millionare status, and he laughed and joked at how these low paid workers messed up his food orders and how this infuriated him, Chuck Norris chimed in how he to and his wife disliked this food order mixup from these low paid workers, ironic how both these millionares, one a mormon whose church until 1978 did not allow blacks in their churches until a federal law suit forced them to, and Chuck Norris a who now is a conservative christian right winger so easily forgets his adultry, as if it was a insignificant issue, now is a saint of morality and his millionare status makes him somehow a tax expert, but they have one thing in common disdain for the common man/woman who have to work for a living, whom they arrogantly look down on as less than human or at least less than themselves! Glenn Beck is a scoundrel, human leech whom makes his living spreading and selling racist hatred, bigotry, but he has found a soul mate with Chuck Norris, how ironic this actor despises those very low paying waged workers whom bought his movie tickets, movies and made him a millionare, quite ironic is it not!

Posted by: R Hill, USMC retired | September 12, 2008 4:22 PM

I find the soul mate issue of Glenn Beck of CNN and movie star Chuck Norris a mirror image of Fox News matchup of the right wing comedian Miller with his soul mate Bill Oreilly, guess birds of a feather do flock together as the old saying goes!

Posted by: R. Hill USMC retired | September 12, 2008 4:26 PM

I think Chuck was referring to his tours in the "Missing in Action" movies.

Posted by: Phil | September 12, 2008 4:29 PM

Norris said he talked to all the military commanders over in Iraq. Seems like that would be a waste of all the military commanders' time. If it were true.

Posted by: lardog | September 12, 2008 4:29 PM

Sounds like two-tour Chuck has been into the two-buck Chuck.

Posted by: Beto | September 12, 2008 4:30 PM

I think Chuck Norris has let his 'Chuck Norris Facts' joke pages get to him. He really does believe that if he says it, it is so.

Is it typical of Creationists to believe they themselves have the power of god?

Posted by: Tractorman | September 12, 2008 4:40 PM

Sir,
Try to reserve your outrage for the deserving. I agree with Matt. He probably meant USO tour. Chuck came to Al Asad while I was there last year and, surprise, surprise, he actually gives a damn about the Marines, Sailors, Soldiers and Airmen. I spent more than 18 months in theater over the last 3 years, and only two real "celebrities" came to Al Asad while I was there. Chuck Norris and Toby Keith. Two guys generally derided by the left. Hmmm, if the left dislikes pro-military celebrities, what do they actually think of real servicemen and women?
Speaking of anti-war types, they sure came out of the woodwork in the comments. Chuck Norris is somehow an idiot because he supports the war effort? I'll tell you who is screwed up here, the long list of lefty celebs who have never been to Iraq, not even as part of a USO tour, have never seen the progress we have made, have never sat down to talk with the troops, have never sacrificed one goddamned thing in support of the "war effort", and yet they (Sarandon, Robbins, Garafolo, Dixie Chicks, etc.) continue to criticize us as a whole for the actions of a small few and denigrate our successes as meaningless. Did Chuck get a little outside the box? Sure, but he is still a relative rarity in Hollywood, a vocal friend of the military who actually has been to Iraq in any capacity. So I'll forgive his misstep and just say, "Thanks for your support, Chuck."

Posted by: Snowflake | September 12, 2008 4:41 PM

Mr. Norris wants you to believe when he went to Iraq he got a full briefing from General Petraeus as though he was the Commander in Chief. It is hard to believe the US military would give these guys any information other than what you hear in the news. Mr. Norris your arguments are only good for Fox News watchers. next time try the Hannity show.

Posted by: aafshar | September 12, 2008 4:43 PM

Awesome and well spoken. Matt Damon nailed it. It is like watching a reality Disney Channel - a real, real bad actor in a really bad hockey mom nightmare comedy.

Posted by: dripwise | September 12, 2008 4:48 PM

Snowflake,

I'll not take sides in this, but as I recall Robin Williams, Al Franken, and several others all went to Iraq and were well rec'vd. So you might, perhaps, be painting with too broad a brush.

Also, I should note, I almost never respond to "anonymous" (as your "handle" makes you) people. I find it the essence of moral cowardice to hide behind an anonymous name and then claim to be a soldier. Moral courage, you might have heard, is supposed to define who we are. In the future, if you are in fact in the military, please display that moral courage here for all to see. Otherwise, it's just words.

(18 months in theater out of 36? Huh? Oh, wait, you don't mean "in country", you mean "in theater"...)

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 12, 2008 5:23 PM

I agree that we should not give a damn about what some Hollywood actor thinks about politics at all. So let's just refrain from interveiwing these clowns about their political opinions. That goes for Matt Damon, George Clooney, Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Streisand too.

Posted by: patricko | September 12, 2008 5:53 PM

DRAFT CHUCK FOR IRAQ!!

Posted by: Guy From LA | September 12, 2008 5:57 PM

What's clear from the clip is that Chuck Norris is Martial Arts Master of such obscure fighting moves as the "Rude Interupption," the "Irrelevant Sidetrack" and the "Foggy-Brain/Runny-Mouth Namecalling."

Posted by: screwbean | September 12, 2008 6:06 PM

In addition to the "tours" comment what bothered me was his obvious LIE that he had not made up his mind about the election, and was an independent! It was the most baldfaced lie I've ever seen! I don't think the Rs are going to use him again. lol!

Posted by: Brian | September 12, 2008 6:20 PM

You know I'm always amazed at how people who were "supposedly sinners", find god and now think they've become the absolute of justice and morality. As I seem to recall it's usually always those same people who get caught with their pants down! It's these same people who would believe that their views on god are the absolute and then obliterate a nation or people to cleanse the world. How about all the indigenous people that were here in this land first, did we honor their contributions by stealing their lands and resources?
I applaud Bob for calling out "Snowflake", sounds flaky to me, for not having the courage to put his name behind his words. I also found Chuck Norris disrepectful, offensive and arrogant. I don't want to bash the republican party because there are good folks on all sides, but I will go as far as to say that McCain sold out any honor he had engaging in the same old ugly tactics of fear and smear so openly created by the "W" campaigns and I don't think I have to tell you who was behind that.
It's ashamed that the republican party has been painted as right wingers, religious fanatics, etc. because deep in their core, they had some wonderful values and I hate to say this, alot of politicians these days are out for the highest bidders. One that comes to mind.....OIL-funny how we don't seem to want to talk about that though. You know we have real problems here folks, the rich are richer than ever, the middle class has almost dissappeared and the poor are poorer! We've reverted to a time of "HAVES" AND "HAVE NOTS"!

Posted by: Jesse Ogas | September 12, 2008 6:30 PM

As I watched the video the "two tours" comment jumped out immediately. As a two tour vet of Vietnam, I thought it funny and ironic that Chuck would claim credit for any "tour". If memory serves me right, none of the "stars" that came to Vietnam while I was there, ever came remotely close to front line action. It used to tick me off, the guys in the rear got all the USO goodies. Chuck is as phony as that rug perched on his head.

Posted by: Derek Edwards | September 12, 2008 7:07 PM

I did a tour of duty recently. It was to Taco Bell. I talked to the troops of the Taco Bell army. They all suggested I shouldn't eat there any more as it's slowly killing me. Just talk to the troops on the ground, you'll get the whole story.

Posted by: kimbjo | September 12, 2008 7:28 PM

Maybe by "tours" he meant USO "tours". Also the guy isn't just an actor, he was a five year full contact middle weight karate champion.

Posted by: JJackson | September 12, 2008 7:57 PM

You ask why Mr. Norris was on The Larry King Show to talk politics, and whether this is the Republicans could come up with.

Remember, this Republican campaign is about appearance and not substance; comforting assertions, not facts.

Remember also that "Bubbas" of all kinds, spitting tobacco and huntin' and kickin' the carp out of each other in the saloon on Saturday night... the "rednecks" who LOVE Chuck just eat this stuff up.

By "LOVE" I don't necessarily mean in the hot man-on-man way. At least not in public...

Posted by: SunnyOkanagan | September 12, 2008 7:59 PM

The difference between the other actors is twofold. Thsy have talect and they have knowledge and debating skills past those of your basic retard redneck dipshizzle. He and Sarah would get along great as knowledge bowl partners.

Posted by: p niu | September 12, 2008 8:17 PM

this is so stupid!!!

Posted by: jessie | September 12, 2008 8:45 PM

A flight to Iraq + a transportation from the airfield to his secure spot in town + arranged vieving of predetermined safe spots + secured transportation back to airfield + flight back home;would the sum of the above components, in travel lingo, qualify as a tour? What do you say, Chuck?

Posted by: rafael petrac | September 12, 2008 8:48 PM

Sir,
Did I attack you? Did I accuse you lying? No. I simply commented that you should reserve your scorn for those who criticize us without even the courtesy of coming to see what's really happening in theater.
Yes, I'm sure other real celebs visited, though not to Al Asad, but far too many of the anti-war types won't. I'm sure the guys and girls deployed would appreciate it and the celebs would learn something.
When I say theater, I mean Iraqi Theater of Operations and all of that time (minus a few days in and out) was spent in Anbar. Guess you don't get to MNF-W much, huh? Al Asad, for your info, is the headquarters of the Air Combat Element and a Regimental Combat Team of the Marine Expeditionary Force (Fwd). Sadr City it ain't, but I go where I'm sent.
As for the "handle", we refer to it as a callsign, and my fellow Marines have used it on occasion for years. I'd use my real name, but I prefer the "cone of non-attribution", like others on the blogosphere (Abu M, for example). Using your real name in a forum like this opens you up for harassment. For you, however, Mr. Bateman, I will e-mail you directly if you post your contact info.

Regards,
Snowflake


Posted by: Snowflake | September 12, 2008 9:07 PM

'It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt'

Posted by: Mark Twain | September 12, 2008 9:09 PM

The Palin-mccain campaign is setting the tone for any b actor or so called preacher to give their views as if they are the second coming of Christ. They forget they are as mortal as the rest of us. By the way, Isn't Chuck the one who said Mccain was to old?

Posted by: luvienne | September 12, 2008 9:20 PM

Snowflake,

I know where Al Asad is, but because of the nature of your comment, it was a very distinct possibility that you were USAF, and therefore flying in and out of Iraq, but based mostly to the south.

Iraq does not, doctrinally, constitute a "theater." So anytime you're in the CENTCOM AOR, you are technically "in theater", and that is a common way for those who do not spend a year or more living IN Iraq to refer to their deployments.

I stand by the scorn. I heap it on pro-war and anti-war, pro-military and anti-military alike...if they try to use their 48-hours-at-a-pop fly throughs as the basis for their "expertise."

"Stay in your lane," right? Well, I do *not* get pissed at those on L/R when they make no bones about their qualifications, or lack thereof, and state that they are basing their opinions on (whatever, "things they've read", or "things they've seen on tv"). I may then disagree with them, and do, but that is based upon the logic of their arguments and/or quality of their evidence.

But I reserve real scorn for those who do fly-bys and then want to claim that they "know" because they've "been there" when all they saw was the runway, the inside of a DFAC, and maybe been on stage.

Contact info: My "open source" address is r_bateman_ltc@hotmail.com. My "official" address is firstname.lastname@us.army.mil . Firstname being Robert.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 12, 2008 9:33 PM

This is the most childish article I have ever seen in the WashPost. Rather than presetn any "facts" of substance for Chuck Norris, it merely wastes time disparaging Norris himself. What was the purpose in printing this piece?

Posted by: Brooks A. Mick | September 12, 2008 9:54 PM

It's funny how libs cry when Chuck Norris exercises his freedom of speech, but don't complain when Shawna Penn or Georgia Looney do it. I guess they can't tolerate hearing an opposing viewpoint (or logic!). :)

Posted by: Shawna Penn | September 12, 2008 10:01 PM

Words to Chucky the has-been washout B actor: stick with hawking that stupid exercise equipment and leave politics to educated folks with sense. You do not qualify fool.


Posted by: M Willey | September 12, 2008 10:18 PM

Tour Shmour. He is not supposed to be a polished speaker, and he should have said visits, or whatever. Lighten up.

Chuck was not allowed to roundhouse kick Arianna (pity), but he did manage do to get his viewpoint out that the troops want to finish the job.

I believe many of the troops do want to win, and if we supported the mission as well as we say we support them, they could do it. They are darn close, though Iraq could backslide - not our fault - the fault of the Iraqi's to grasp the opportunity they have.

Good on ya, Chuck!

Posted by: jdwill | September 12, 2008 10:38 PM

This stupid Oprah A$$ non english speaking condescending moron could not teach Chuck Norris or anyone else anything.

She is about as appealing as a waring blender solo in the Vienna Boys Choir,

Why does anyone take her or her protege George Soros seriously?

Posted by: dano | September 12, 2008 10:52 PM

Newest Chuck Norris fact:

Chuck norris once went on Larry King Live and got his ass beat by Arianna Huffington.

Why is this guy even talking politics? And on Larry King?

Posted by: Will Lewis | September 12, 2008 10:56 PM

I watched with considerable distaste. Enjoyed the action films, but still not interested in the real-life opinions of anyone in the entertainment industry, least of all a man who sounds like he didn't finish fifth grade.
But, America has no royalty, so I guess we have to make do with millionaire trailer trash who fill our idle hours with "entertainment".

Posted by: OldUncleTom | September 12, 2008 11:05 PM

Never ceases to amaze me, the amount of stupidity that gets covered as legitimate news. It's Chuck Norris for God's sake! Who the hell (besides the terminally ignorant) gives a damn what he has to say?! Maybe Jean-Claude Van Damme is a Nader or Barr supporter. So freakin' what?! There are 2 people running for the presidency, they're the only ones I care to hear from.

Posted by: PaineintheThomas | September 12, 2008 11:06 PM

Who would believe that a man who is pushing 70 (Norris is 68) has done two tours in Iraq? I also really hated that he mowed over Arianna, who does have her facts straight and also does have an intellect.

Posted by: rzan1 | September 12, 2008 11:12 PM

Obama supporting actors/celebrities also hold forth with their opinions, but as of yet, I have not seen one of these people make it all about themselves. Chuck Norris "stretched the truth" about his experience in Iraq, which is the only way he could get any creidibility since he just isn't very bright. and it showed.

Posted by: rzan1 | September 12, 2008 11:18 PM

Chuck Norris sure is a tourist, all right. He was a tourist in Iraq, and he's obviously a tourist on Larry King.

Posted by: Eric | September 13, 2008 12:11 AM

Mr. Norris has a right to speak as do all Americans including celebrities. Too bad he only talks alot of BS.

Posted by: disgustedinDC | September 13, 2008 12:43 AM

The column misses the point. Agreed, Chuck Norris is an idiot.

But the real problem is that clown Larry King.

Anybody and everybody goes on the Larry King show, the only filter being their perceived ability to deliver ratings.

King would toss the same softball questions to Adolph Hitler and Mother Teresa, and appear equally empathetic to both.

The problem with America isn't opinionated morons like Norris, it's bubble heads like the Mouthpiece of Mediocrity, Larry Freaking King.

Posted by: John D | September 13, 2008 12:47 AM

Chuck, don't discuss politic when you know nothing about it. You ain't gonna good pretty on the big screen, you only look Boeotian (check this word out Chuck!). If you tell us about politic is fake, then your commercial on the exercise product probably fake too. When you lie once you probably lie all.

Posted by: MJK | September 13, 2008 1:05 AM

Why is Chuck Norris even getting to throw his 2 cents into the political race.

Hell, I loved it when Bruce Lee kicked his ass. And he still has'nt learned his lesson?

Posted by: supports will lewis | September 13, 2008 1:11 AM

stay down white man, stay down! Don't make me crack your neck, white man!

Posted by: bruce lee | September 13, 2008 1:19 AM

My only concern is that people like Chuck Norris are put on what are supposed to be news related programs. He is not a military expert, foreign policy expert, or anything else. We might as well have had Paris Hilton on. When are we going to start turning off the Larry King Show and the other programs that present this as any sort of valuable insight?

Posted by: chuck | September 13, 2008 1:23 AM

Funny article!

I too was wondering what the [blank] Chuck Norris was doing on CNN. I guess by playing a fictional action hero in a few plotless simple-minded movies actually made him believed that he does have super-natural abilities. Maybe he, too, has some "executive" experience that qualified him to be the expert on politics.

The lies that the right wingers are spinning would be ridiculously funny if it was not so horrendously scary, since so many narrow-minded people would choose to believe these lies than to admit to the mistakes that the Bush Administration and the Republicans agenda have caused.

Posted by: BLogical | September 13, 2008 2:12 AM

Is this the blog of a reputable news organization or the dailykos? Most posts here are beyond laughable in their bias.
why don't you make the same argument against 'A list actors' voicing their opinions? Oh yeah.. because they are mostly anti-Bush.

Posted by: Todd in San Diego | September 13, 2008 2:27 AM

Chuck who? Cheeses...you have time to waste on a nothing like that? You should celebrate the existence of non-entities like him: they help pinpoint the jerks and half-wits...if somebody says that they are an up-Chuck fan, quick, sell them something: a bridge, a used war...you got a live one.

Posted by: Inri Porter | September 13, 2008 2:30 AM

vegasgirl ... I saw the interview and Huffington DID kick his butt. He looked like a ranting fool.

Posted by: Cathy | September 13, 2008 2:48 AM

Chuck Norris is 68 years old? He's like the John McCain of action stars - old, out of touch and actually thinks he's the tough guy he pretends to be. The only difference is Norris still has his hair, though it is dyed and coifed to look like a bad toupee. He does dye the beard to match, so points for consistency... not so much for John McFlipflop who hasn't been consistent on anything from wives to offshore drilling.

Posted by: Jingo | September 13, 2008 2:51 AM

cockhold norris Can't undo the mess of iraq.

schuck cain't able to give his taxbreak to a legless US vet.

chock noRisk is about as interesting a political commentator as gilda radner was an attractive liberal.

Posted by: bloggod | September 13, 2008 3:45 AM

One of the first people to post to this message board stated that, according to one well-known economist who they have recently read, Iraq will cost more than $3 trillion by the time we leave. First, I'd love to know how the economist figured that one out, because then the rest of us could figure out when we are leaving, but it got me to think about breaking down that "$3 trillion" statement.

At $3 trillion, and we've currently been there 5-1/2 years, that comes out to approximately $1.5 billion per day (were we to leave today). Which would be $45 billion per month. Now do those sound like numbers that even Barack Obama has stated? No, it isn't even close.

Perhaps the well-known economist quoted by the previous poster was expecting that we'd get out two decades from now, but I really doubt it. More than likely, they are including so many other abstracts and hypotheticals that are impossible to calculate that, hey, let's just throw this huge number out there because some less than intelligent liberal can use it in a statement.

What many of you need to realize is that claiming falsehoods, especially easily-proven falsehoods, weakens your argument. Both sides are guilty of it, but I have seen more pro-Obama people claiming non-truths than I have pro-McCain people.

It's too easy to run a spreadsheet and check your numbers before you say something that is easily proven false. It should be common sense.

Posted by: CommonSense101 | September 13, 2008 4:06 AM

Inri Porter, you made me laugh, and you enforced the lesson that at times less is more.

Posted by: Tweek | September 13, 2008 4:10 AM

Dear *cough* CommonSense101:

The $3 TRILLION dollar projection is midway between the also common $2 and $4 Trillion dollar projections out there (the $4 trillion would include the cost of an attack on Iran).

What all of these figures take into account is the LONG TERM MEDICAL CARE COSTS.

Hello! Most of these Iraq survivors are 19-early 20's. In other words, they will require 24/7/365 care--for the next FORTY YEARS! Or more! (After all, John McCain's mom is 96!).

The "closed head injury" is the "signature wound" of the Iraq war, for our returning vets, thanks, in part, to Rummy's failure to adequately equip our guys and gals with up-armoured Hummvees.

It's the long-term medical care, stupid. Our outlay in Iraq is only approx. 500 Billion-$750 Billion...so far. It's the long term med. care, plus the rebuilding of our "war machine" (NONE of which has been budgeted in our "emergency spending bills", btw.)

The numbers are REAL. Your personal war debt will be $16,000 - $32,000., FOR EVERY PERSON IN YOUR HOUSEHOLD, just for Iraq.

Enjoy your two $600. B*sh rebates, dipsh*t!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Posted by: SnowflakeSucksC*ck | September 13, 2008 4:24 AM

Why are all of you people calling Chuck Norris an actor?

Haven't you ever seen Walker, Texas Ranger?

Posted by: Pat C | September 13, 2008 4:29 AM

What do you expect from America,its all about sound bites and catchy names for everything. Its all just a movie America why worry so much. Spend all your time figuring out a catchy name for the next news item.

Posted by: KingTurtleOfCanada | September 13, 2008 4:34 AM

Ummm, are you confusing Larry King with some kind of news person? He is pure entertainment. Chuck Norris interview can't possibly be more horrible than the Tammy Fay death watch. Norris is an idiot and King panders to idiots.

Posted by: ghinHI | September 13, 2008 4:58 AM

Common Sense, thank you too. Just how large is the sum of three trillion dollars? Well, if one would take freshly-minted, one-hundred dollar bills, and then place them in a stack, one on top of the other, when one had a stack three feet tall, one would have one million dollars. However, it would take two stacks of one-hundred dollar bills, each stacked in the same manner as high as the Empire State Building, to equal one billion dollars. A trillion dollars would equate to a stack of bills soaring 535 miles straight up, or to the International Space Station and back with change to spare — a little more than 177.5 million dollars worth! Now that is money, and we are only talking about the first trillion.

Posted by: Tweek | September 13, 2008 5:00 AM

Oh come on. If the fact Chuck Norris said "tour" instead of "trip" pisses you off, then you must be pissed off a lot. You make soldiers look hypersensitive - I just got back from Afghanistan and see what you mean, but save your anger for people who haven't tried to support the military.

I can't say whether he's is qualified to discuss current affairs (I haven't seen an interview with him in years), but anybody who doesn't respect his martial arts accomplishments and charitable work has no idea what they are talking about. I've got more respect for a "B-grade" actor who's off-screen accomplishments are A-grade than the other way around. Reconsider your priorities.

Posted by: John McGlothlin | September 13, 2008 7:00 AM

Chuck Norris is a Korean War veteran.

The author casually mentioned Norris was in the Air Force but neglected to mention he was stationed in Korea during the Korean war

Posted by: Frank M | September 13, 2008 7:18 AM

Perhaps we could ask Chuck for his DD-214. Oh, I forgot they don't pass them out for acting. All jokes aside, Mr. Norris did not have his talking points in order a rarity for a right wing Republican.

Posted by: Randy01323 | September 13, 2008 7:21 AM

Chuck Norris is a coward, through and through. Only cowards claim things about themselves that are nowhere near reality. He's a little guy who has to wear boot lifts and a big ole cowboy hat, just to make him look short. His political philosophy is a perfect match.

Posted by: John Conley | September 13, 2008 7:49 AM

He also waxes his back--if he didn't he would loo like a woolly mammoth.

Posted by: SoonerThought.blogspot.com | September 13, 2008 8:12 AM

He use the wrong word.....So f-ing what? Geez you must be a tool to work with.

Posted by: JC | September 13, 2008 8:18 AM

For all you Norris is a coward jerks: Before he was a "B" movie actor, he "won the Professional Middleweight Karate champion (non-contact) title, which he held for six consecutive years. In 1969, he won Karate's triple crown for the most tournament wins of the year, and the fighter of the year award by Black Belt Magazine." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris ...........so I'm pretty sure he would STILL beat your liberal asses handily today in his 60's. 8-)

Posted by: JC | September 13, 2008 8:24 AM

So JC, you think Norris would "beat my liberal ass?" I hate to tell you, but non-contact Karate champs just prove to me that they are good at non-contact Karate. OH, I'm not just a liberal, I'm an Army veteran liberal who has seen combat. I'm also a liberal who believes in ALL TEN amendments in the bill of rights, so if Chuck ever decided to attack me, I would exercise the option of self-defense, probably with the threat of force through my constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms.

Norris is an idiot, Mat Damon is an idiot, but the biggest idiots of all are those who think the last eight years have been good for the country.

Posted by: Sowega | September 13, 2008 8:47 AM

Chuck is still recovering from a roundhouse kick..... which explains his arrogance,immaturity and down right disrespect for anyone that doesnt share his views...... Can anyone tell me why he was there in the first place the guy is a moran. He was on the show to create controversy. He came off as a very angry small....and small minded guy.

Posted by: bware | September 13, 2008 8:57 AM

If that had been Ms Palin trying to talk w/Chuckie the republicans would have said it was sexist. They are so good at aggressive behavior. I don't mind actors or actresses have a opinion and even stating that but do it respectfully. It is funny republicans love celebs, but only conservatives. Sometimes I wish the country could be split into. The ones who really want to be free (liberals) would have part of the country, and the right could have their own part of the country. I bet the liberal side would have more people. Because when it comes down to it, know one wants them to tell them how to live their personal life. The conservatives could have their church run the country. I'll bet than they will fight to find which will be at the head of the country. Oh no it will be a holy war. Yep.

Posted by: SouthernYankee | September 13, 2008 9:00 AM

HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!You hide behind the skirts of the 1st Amendment stating what so called information - lies and filth you throw up about The Honorable Chuck Norris. HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!! Chuck Norris has done more to STAND UP for America than you could ever realize or comprehend. I lost my wife and son to the VC.......I will NEVER stop fighting for freedom.
You are a perfect example of the far left wing socialist media who is terrified of the team of President John McCain and Vice President Sarah Palin.

Signed This Date:
13 September 2008
0559hrs PDT

Doc Remington Carlson Major USAF Ret.

Posted by: Doc Remington Carlson | September 13, 2008 9:01 AM

Norris is NOT a Korean War vet. He was born in 1940. The Korean War lasted from 1950-1953. Eisenhower (somebody who had a combat tour or two in the previous war) pushed for the armistice almost as soon as he was elected.

Posted by: Historian | September 13, 2008 9:02 AM

I respect Mr. Norris as much as I respect any athlete or actor when they try to opine on National Security...which is to say that I respect their rhetoric based upon the quality of their logic and their evidence.

Mr. Norris had no logic, or at least presented none. Instead he claimed strategic knowledge of military affairs because he twice spent 48 hours in Iraq and talked to a few officers for a few minutes. He most certainly did *not* get classified operational briefings.

That is *not* supporting us in the military. That is loose, illogical (non-sequitor, to be specific) hyperbolic political talk masquarading as "patriotism," which I consider pathetic. In the end it is really merely a civilian attempting to *use* those of us in the military as a justification for that actors personal opinion. Not the same, and arguably, worse for us. So thanks, but no thanks.

As for Frank M: You sir, are an idiot, or at least very very poorly educated. The Korean War (although never declared as such) saw active hostilities ended by truce in 1953. Mr. Norris was, at that time, 13 years old. Perhaps you should buy my book on the opening days of that war? (Since I make nothing from it, I don't mind making that recommendation.)

JC, you too are an idiot, albeit for different reasons. Next time consider using reason and logic. Asserting who can beat who up is, well, pretty childish.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 13, 2008 9:03 AM

Chuck Norris is a sad poser ... and treated Ms. Huffington quite rudely.
He's richer than he deserves to be, having made really bad movie and tv shows, watched primarily by folks he wouldn't give the time of day to on the street.

Why are we talking about this guy with the fake very white smile? At 68 he should know better than to make a fool of himself every time he opens that piehole.

We're just dumber and dumber.

Posted by: Tokyo Johnny | September 13, 2008 9:06 AM

Actually "Doc", I am not a journalist. I am a regular army, 19 years (and counting) US Army infantry officer. And I am not "hiding" behind anything. I am straightforward, up front, and signing my name to my observation that Chuck Norris is trying to use his 48 hour pops in Iraq as the basis for his own political opinion, and trying to use us soldiers as props for his arguments. Which I think is stupid.

Don't like it? Tough. Want to "fight for freedom" some? Join a State Department PRT in Diyala province...

Signed this Date:
13 September 2008
09:13 Hrs, Local

LIEUTENANT COLONEL Bob Bateman

PS~ What did you do that you retired as a Major?

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 13, 2008 9:14 AM

Good grief. This entire discussion is sooo stupid as there's no one worthy of less discussion than Chuck Norris. He gave bad acting a bad name. Evidently from the discussion here, he won some kind of kung fu award or something. Who cares?

Anyone who has listened to him knows he's dumber than a bag of hammers. So who cares what he thinks about ANYTHING?!?

Posted by: checkered.1 | September 13, 2008 9:18 AM

He's still mad because Invasion USA flopped...

Posted by: phatbenetar | September 13, 2008 9:18 AM

You know its funny everyone is getting all worked up about this stupid interview and then yet even more worked up about what people are saying about the interview. I will fully admit I am no expert on any of the things mentioned in this article or the posts following. I was not briefed on our situation in Iraq and I have never sat down and had a meaningful conversation with Chuck Norris. But I have had to watch a great deal of news programs of late. I have had to watch right wingers, liberals and old fashion idiots stand up on television and spout ideas based loosely on unfounded "facts". I have to say if you want the truth you have to hunt for it. You cant hope to find it pouring from the mouths of celebrities A or B list no matter who they support. I am kin and friends to many soldiers; people who truely hold my heart. Many of their opinions differ when it comes to politics but in the end we are all "family" I will support our troops but heaven knows I want my boys back home. (no disrespect to the fine women serving) Instead of bickering about interviews which will not mean much in the end I hope we can find a way to get out nation "back on its feet". I would hate to be apart of a generation which watched its mighty empire fall. If I have "pissed off" any of you I am sorry, that was not my intent.

Posted by: BJ | September 13, 2008 9:27 AM

I caught that too and found it very odd. I just thought he was confused, lost in a movie somewhere fighting ninjas. It was like he was practicing how to be an assh*le like O'Rielly with his badgering debating technique.

Wonder where he gets his hair dyed?

Posted by: joe devlin | September 13, 2008 9:40 AM

B-grade Actors:

Shall not venture a positive opinion on the Iraqi
war, notwithstanding the N.Y Times having spent
15-years getting the U.S. to act. Robert Bateman
should acquaint himself on the Spanish-American
war and the influence of the newspapers.

Had Norris voiced the need to take out Iran and Russia
Larry King and Mr. Bateman would have expressed,
"My Man!, My Man!"

George Orwell had it right: 'The Left leads us to the brink
and criticizes the war.'

Posted by: 3rd-Party Advocate | September 13, 2008 9:41 AM

What does anyone expect from Larry King when half the time he's interviewing UFO conspiracy nuts and "psychics"? The only time it's worth watching is when Bill Maher is on.

Posted by: Chip_M | September 13, 2008 9:42 AM

If you can swallow Bush in a flight suit signaling "Mission Accomplished" then I guess you could accept a couple of days on an entertainment junket as a tour in Iraq.

If you can accept the unblinking unthinking Governor Barbie as a genuinely qualified person to lead the most powerful nation on earth, I guess Chuck Norris is qualified to be Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Don't think reality will rain on their parade in Fool's Paradise. But if this country is insane enough to be fooled yet again, to paraphrase Louis XV, avec eux le déluge.

Posted by: Lee | September 13, 2008 9:48 AM

3rd Party: Actually a pretty large portion of my course on "modern" Military History does, indeed, deal with the interaction of the military and the media. But you should really go back a little farther than the Yellow Journalists (Hearst and Pulitzer in particular, obviously) for your examples. The Spanish-American War (1848) would be the obvious starting point, but if you really wanted to get the the precedent, you'd look at the newspapers circa 1810-1812(really then just "advocate papers" and not true "news" papers as we would know them now) which whipped up war frenzy for the War of 1812. Or, if you wanted a British example, look to the War of Jenkin's Ear. (Man that was a strange one.)

If you would like a brief bibliography on these conflicts contact me off-line. I'd be more than happy to send you something from my syllabus.

As for Iran and Russia, I must admit that I am totally mystified about your opinion. Upon what basis do you assume that I would support armed conflict with either? I do not understand.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 13, 2008 9:55 AM

I'm an American and I'm voting Republican.
Chuck Norris for President! He can do movies right? That's reality right? What more do you need? We have a total idiot as POTUS now, why not another one.
I'm so good. Yeah me!

Posted by: katman. | September 13, 2008 9:58 AM

PS All my kids know about these Chuck Norris jokes. The repug's are going after our children.

Posted by: katman | September 13, 2008 10:01 AM

Stoyver says "What bothered me most was the actor's tone. Arrogance and rudeness are rather ugly traits. Traits that do not support a sense of credibility. I also felt that the host who allowed Norris' childish outbursts failed to do his job."

The worst thing about the Republican party "attack dogs" (and Norris can certainly claim membership with that pack) is their inability to engage in a reasonable debate. And Larry King was certainly derelict to allow a display like that. I thought I was watching B.O'R. and Fox News. I agree with you completely.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 10:24 AM

Nothing wrong with Norris supporting the Bush Administration's war policy and feeling he has as much of a right to his opinion as does any actor against the war. But a quick USO tour does not necessarily give one insight into the politics and military strategies in play especially if it is not paired with extensive background research, including on the region's history (could he even identify what colonial power drew Iraq's boundaries to lump in the various ethnic groups currently fighting?). Norris did not say what he knows. But, to be fair, Norris has spent more time in Iraq and probably knows at least as much about it as does Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Steph | September 13, 2008 10:25 AM

Chuck Norris' claims on the Larry King show were infuriating to say the least. He was rude and made one of the most inane claims I have ever heard! As a person who really cares about the well being of our troops, I was appalled when he suggested that spending to much money on the war as a reason for bringing the troops home isn't a worth while because we are spending a lot of money everywhere! I am still in shock!

I am not a guy whose into Chuck Norris lore! But, I am even less interested in his nonsensical politics! Personally, I think he should be banned from military bases for his purposeful mischaracterization of his trips to Iraq! However, whats just as bad and maybe even worse than his claim that he has done two tours in Iraq is his assertion that he has received a security briefing from "all" of the commanders on the ground!!! You've got to be kidding me Chuck!!! I don't know how this man can feel comfortable with his position knowing that the troops don't want to be there! As far as I am concerned, it would only take one troop to complain and I would begin to reconsider things but this guy feels that it is imperative that we keep these young men and women in a position where all they see is violence and killing for years because he gets to go on vanity visits and feel perfectly safe in doing so! Chuck Norris is a disgusting and appalling person!

Posted by: rksu747 | September 13, 2008 10:40 AM

Pop quiz. What does the USO call trips to the theater?

Posted by: P. Cannady | September 13, 2008 10:44 AM

Two words to tell you what a B-actor knows.

Ronald Reagan.

Posted by: sage | September 13, 2008 10:48 AM

THE FACTS: Chuck actually spent eleven years in the Middle East as a covert agent for U.N.C.L.E. He personally captured Osama Bin Laden after personally killing more than 100 highly trained bodyguards. At one of Sally Quinn's parties, he arm-wrestled Arianna Huffington to a draw (despite reports to the contrary). As Governor of Alaska, he once stood on an island and looked directly at the coast of Russia, or would have if the fog ever lifted.

Chuck Norris is the GOP personified. Look how far Ronald Reagan went with a similar perspective on world events?

Posted by: samson151 | September 13, 2008 10:50 AM

To Bob Bateman:

I LIKE you!!! You actually know American military history. And you write like a champ. Sweet! I enjoyed reading your comments. Thanks for taking the time to post.

Posted by: JustAThought | September 13, 2008 10:57 AM

Hey, it's common knowledge that Chuck kicks ass and takes no names. Why didn't we think of using our secret weapon, Chuck Norris, before? After all, his thighs are nicknamed "Law" and "Order"!

Here's the plan: We'll just give Chuck a big knife and drop him into Baghdad's worst neighborhood. He'll clean the whole country up for us and we can pull out. McCain can claim his "victory with honor" and everyone's happy!

Posted by: Jay in Omaha | September 13, 2008 11:00 AM

A: USO tours, like Sinbad, Jessica, and various cheerleading squads make.

In my medical office, our new receptionist learned to seat patients and give them patient history and insurance forms to fill out. She successfully mastered the intake procedure.

My staff and I do a number of other procedures that require education, training, licensing, skill, and ability as our actions can have life and death consequences.

It is unimaginably simple minded to equate the two meanings of the word. If my receptionist were Chuck Norris she would apparently be crowing about her expertise in medical procedures after her first day on the job.

Posted by: Lee | September 13, 2008 11:03 AM

Looking at the USO website, it says that Bob Hope did over 60 'tours' entertaining American troops.

Comedian/actress Martha Raye did 8 'tours' of Vietnam.

To actors/USO types, 'tours' has a different meaning than it does to military types.

Posted by: LarryM | September 13, 2008 11:05 AM

Robert Bateman, Touché. Norris is just another flak paraded on the airways to blow smoke. The only credentials these people need is blind faith in the POTUS, McCain and the tooth-fairy.

Posted by: Redman | September 13, 2008 11:10 AM

Chuck Norris is as qualified as any other Republican strategist to comment on foreign affairs. Is this not the season to invent your own truths and facts? I would also recommend that Mr. Norris, since he is such as avid supporter of the war, be given an M16 and sent out on a patrol in Anbar the next time he is on "tour."

Colonel Bateman, thank you for your service. It is men like you who make me proud to be an American.

Posted by: Sandra | September 13, 2008 11:16 AM

I suspect that if Bruce Lee--who had a degree in philosophy from the U. of Washington and was a creative, iconoclastic modernist thinker--hadn't died, he might have influencd his protege Chuck Norris to not be such a troglodydic right-winger. Oh well.

Posted by: Patrick | September 13, 2008 11:25 AM


obvious slip of the tongue. In essence your argument is right though, he has no information/experience to judge the situation there


Posted by: akula | September 13, 2008 11:28 AM

Chuck would never kick your butt (Bateman). It would be a total waste of a roundhouse.

(Looking forward to your column on that screechy Barbabra Streisand.)

Posted by: A waste | September 13, 2008 11:31 AM

Yes, thank you Colonel Bateman,

For the men who have actually done the heavy lifting to hear a pretender ride their back must be a little bit grating.

Chuck Norris really isn't even OK in his own genre. As an entertainer, he peddled violence on its most base level. The philosophy of righteous killing as a solution to problems or legitimate vengance. What other Texan does that remind you of(hint last name rhymes with tush).

So please tell Chuck to return to kicking and adultery because a couple of tours in hollywood is about all that people could stand from him right now.

Conrad C. Elledge

Posted by: Conrad C. Elledge | September 13, 2008 11:39 AM

I have something in common with chuck norris, can you tell what it is? I would like to draw "walker, texas ranger" a picture of how the world really is today. It would be like a Rorschach test for him, except that all "walker, texas ranger" would see was ponies. I love the line about his round house kick going faster than the speed of light and going back in time and killing Amelia Earhart. I can't stop laughing about that one.

Posted by: chuckUfarley | September 13, 2008 11:40 AM

A Waste: Should Streisand ever claim knowledge of military doctrine, history, or special acumen related to the current tactical, operational, or strategic situation due to a USO tour she might participate in you can be assured I would blast her with both barrels.

Similar to the manner in which I let go on the New York Times, (http://www.concernedjournalists.org/lies-damned-lies-and-body-counts) or the Associated Press over Bilal Hussein (http://www.concernedjournalists.org/bilal-husseins-day-court ) or a host of news organizations over No Gun Ri ( http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/4/21/114529.shtml )

In short, I don't care who is doing the fibbing, exaggerating, or outright fabricating. I detest all the same.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 13, 2008 11:43 AM

i think the fannie mae/freddie mac bailouts are going to be much more expensive than this. we're talking the initial bad debt obligations that are going to hit as well as a sharp increase ($5 trillion) in US govt debt. this could lower the US govt's debt rating from AAA which means that the US will pay more interest on its debt (thus costing us more in the long run). simultaneously, it bails out foreign investors who can then continue to purchase US debt.

this is a MUCH more expensive proposition than the iraq war

Posted by: k4500 | September 13, 2008 11:47 AM

Just a note in defense of Chuck. In the entertainment world, when you are out working, you are "On Tour". I spent 3/4 of my life on tour. I know Chuck, and he is a really nice man, but does not belong on Larry King. Everyone is entitled to their views, and yes he is a religious wingnut. I was astonished when he hit the national political stage with his endorsement of the nice wingnut from Arkansas. Enough said.

Posted by: Cruzansailor | September 13, 2008 11:55 AM

The Republican machine engages in such silliness to turn thinking people off to politics. MSM shill Larry King may as well have had Miss Teen South Carolina 2007 on the discussion panel; she is as qualified as Norris and hotter. For myself I see this crap on YouTube in small snippets, or at the houses of friends where we watch together and have a good laugh. I will not have a television in my own house.

Posted by: freestuffffff | September 13, 2008 11:57 AM

Bob Bateman: Just dumb, pointless commentary! Why are you here blogging, trying to line up a career after you get your 20 (and remain stuck at light colonel)?

Posted by: bill_the_kat | September 13, 2008 12:04 PM

Bob Batemen: Thank you for posting. I identified you as an intellect even before you stated your credentials. It is good to know that there are such independent thinkers fighting for our freedom. God bless you and God bless the United States Armed Forces!

Posted by: cooltemp1 | September 13, 2008 12:07 PM

Bill the Cat: LOL, dude, I only *made* LTC two years ago. Right on time. I'm not even eligible for consideration to the next rank for a couple more years.

As for how long I'll stay in, well, my writing is no indication. I've been writing and getting published since I was a 1LT, 17 years ago.

I figure I'll stay in as long as it remains interesting, rewarding, and possible. So, what, maybe another 3 or 7 or 8 or so. I never figured to make Major, let alone LTC, so I'm not really worried about making it past LTC. Not really a "career climber" kind of guy myself. In fact, every promotion has come as something of a surprise, even if they've all been right on time. But thanks for your concern.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 13, 2008 12:14 PM

We all know that Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer...but Chuck Norris never cries.

Well, good news. If he reads the spanking he was just given by Col. Bateman, I think the cure for cancer should not be far behind.

As Lee pointed out, calling a USO Tour a "Tour in Iraq" is a bit of a stretch. That being said, we owe a huge thank you to Al Franken, Robin Williams, Toby Keith, and...Chuck Norris for the "USO Tours" they do for our troups.

Posted by: W.R.Printz | September 13, 2008 12:15 PM

Bob: I can't believe you have such a thin skin, you must be 39 years old? Good God. Why did you denigrate the Doc who retired as a Major if you didn't 'think' you'd even make Major?

Posted by: bill_the_kat | September 13, 2008 12:21 PM

Thank you for you service, Col. Bateman. I miss your contributions on the now defunct Altercation blog on msnbc.com. While I disagree with the war, I'm proud to know our country has intelligent service men and women like you representing us in the big sandbox.

Posted by: GeorgeWGump | September 13, 2008 12:32 PM

I did not watch the Larry King/Chuck Norris interview. I have much better things to do with my precious time. I would suggest that those of you who have such an issue with it, try to speak to the man himself. Me thinks you all protest too much, to quote Shakespeare. Col. Bateman; I do have one question for you. You say you are 19 years (and counting). I certainly hope the "and counting" is significant. If you are only 19 and a Lt. Col. that must come from ROTC training, which in my opinion ranks right up there with Chuck Norris' 2 tours. BJ I'm with you. Bless you.

Posted by: Sam | September 13, 2008 12:34 PM

Wow, can you imagine all the combat experience Bob Hope accumulated during all his tours of duty?

Posted by: Keep Hope Alive | September 13, 2008 12:44 PM

I served with Chuck Norris' brother Willie in Nam. He died a brave soldier doing his duty. Chuck is no Willie.

Posted by: monomoso | September 13, 2008 12:49 PM

Much ado about very little.

The first definition of "tour" is "1. A trip with visits to various places of interest for business, pleasure, or instruction." The military usage -- a period of service -- is the fourth usage (Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006).

Chuck Norris is almost 70. He's clearly too old to serve in the military and virtually everyone knows that. He wasn't trying to say he'd served in Iraq, he was just saying he'd been there twice and had seen the situation there. So the writer is castigating him for saying something he didn't say.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 12:58 PM

It is equally bad and useless when celebrities, advisers, surrogates, spin doctors, and Congressmen FROM BOTH SIDES speak. We might as well ignore ALL of them. Too bad the news media provide any of them any space at all.

In our struggling world there are actual events and situations that could fill all of the hours of the 24/7 cable news channels and all the pages of all the print media if they would make the effort to actually report.

Posted by: Larry Oswald | September 13, 2008 1:07 PM

Just for the record, Ariana Huffington has no particular qualifications besides her celebrity. So: a celebrity p-ing contest. Who cares?
The real questions: Why did we invade Iraq? Why are we spending trillions there? How much goes to military contractors? Will the US ever pull out of its economic collapse?

Note--when overseas companies show up waving billions of dollars of near-worthless paper (greenbacks) and want hard assets in return (Anheuser-Busch) there is a name for it--BANKRUPTCY. If the government allowed sovereign wealth funds to buy US banks, they would all be snapped up tomorrow and we would all spend the rest of our lives working for the Arabs and Chinese (and maybe a few Europeans.) Seems to be inevitable anyway. Without capital this Titanic is going down. Talk about that, anyone--I dare you.

Posted by: scientist1 | September 13, 2008 1:08 PM

To the writer of this article , Chuck Norris has an underground quirky pop culture status as does The Rocky Horror show and Rubik's cube.

Posted by: JONNIE Q | September 13, 2008 1:10 PM

Norris is an idiot who supports the idiot far-right. Enough said.

Posted by: Diogenes | September 13, 2008 1:43 PM

It's been a while now that actors, especially B-list unemployed actors have ambitions to be president.
Reagan broke that threshold.
And now Palin demonstrates that sportscasters and local anchors can become president - but Reagan did that too, way back in the 50s.
Name recognition, even if only local is now a fair qualification to become a candidate - see Fred Thompson, Al Franken, et al.
That someone can actually negotiate and govern, that they have a track record beyond the cut and paste on their resume, this idea is way too easy to marginalize.
And dismissively defining your opposition as dumb and dumber and by the way dangerous this is now what we have devolved to...

Posted by: De-volution... | September 13, 2008 1:54 PM

Why on earth is Larry King giving credence to anything Chuck Norris has to say about anything. The man's an idiot with an IQ of less than a 100. Are we next to solicit the political ramblings of David Hasselhorf?

Posted by: Franc | September 13, 2008 2:02 PM

appaling how some lower ranking members of the military seem eager to accept responsibility for whereever they are sent by policies they have absolutely nothing invested--doing ones duty is good--where ones duties are needed? is another question entirely

Posted by: Andrew | September 13, 2008 2:29 PM

Chuck Norris is nearly 70 years old and has not a line in his face. All that botox must have gone to his brain.

Posted by: Rzan1 | September 13, 2008 2:33 PM

Norris had one thing right. The national debt is banrupting the country, it just may take a little time for all the ramifications. And thats more than most media types know and its more than most Republicans know and apparently its more than most Democrats know. So you know where you can stick your sarcasm Bateman.

Posted by: Jim | September 13, 2008 2:41 PM

Arie Flescher is the one with the comatose brain.

Posted by: Jim | September 13, 2008 2:42 PM

how is it that every comment on this blog is hatefull? Chuck may not be the McCann's talking point person but he is free to give his opinions. What has Andra done but marry rich people?

Posted by: terry t | September 13, 2008 2:46 PM

Sen. John McCain has proved himself to be unqualified and incapable of effectively leading the United States of America into the future by, among other things, his reckless, irresponsible, impulsive, and dangerous judgment in picking Sarah Palin as his running mate. Sarah Palin is a minor distraction not even worthy of discussion. However, Sen. John McCain has shown his contempt for the intelligence of the American people by making this unequivocally cynical decision to use an unknown, untested, and corrupt, serial liar like Sarah Palin to deceive voters into believing he stands for change. Sen. John McCain also disgraced himself by demonstrating a lack of courage in his choice of Sarah Palin at the last moment over much more qualified Republican men and women simply because she appeals to the base of the Republican Party, a group of voters he was going to lose. What Sen. John McCain doesn't understand is that by appeasing the extreme right wing of the Republican Party, he is going to lose the voters that really count, i.e., moderate and independent voters, and, in doing so, certainly lose the election. Obama/Biden 2008!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1043793620080910?feedType=nl&feedName=ustopnewsafternoon

According to the Pentagon, we are losing Afghanistan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7610405.stm

"No victory in Iraq, says Petraeus"

Posted by: caliguy55 | September 13, 2008 2:53 PM

Thank you for this, thank you so much for this. It is gobsmacking how few people in the media even question the posturing, innuendo and bare faced lying of the whole right-wing traitorium. Is this really how the world ends? Not with a bang, but a smirker. (Apologies TS Eliot)

Posted by: Trader | September 13, 2008 2:58 PM

Chuck who?

The really sad thing is that there are people that will be voting this November who will think that Norris did 2 tours (of duty) in Iraq. What those knuckle-draggers won't understand is that a Norris version of a "tour" is to chopper in, greet some troops, and chopper out again. If you consider those a "tour" (an implied tour of duty) then Bob Hope should be a Four Start General for all the "tours" he did in combat zones.

Posted by: Tom | September 13, 2008 3:00 PM

I think the USO tours officially give Chuck more foreign policy than Sarah Palin. I wonder if McCain is considiring him for the Nat'l Defense Minister job. Just imagine how many votes he'll get from martial arts fans.

Posted by: Ryan | September 13, 2008 3:09 PM

Chuch Norris is awesome. Anyone who thinks Larry King is a serious journalist or who takes ANY of his quests seriously is very misinformed. This is another example of how low CNN has sunk into infotainment. Larry King is usually as funny as Jon Stewart (Daily Show) and King is not even trying.

Posted by: Jimbo | September 13, 2008 3:12 PM

Chuck Norris is a hypocrite with political ambitions, which means he will fit right in as a Governor or Senator, surely what he has his eyes on, with his new book. Hell, he's thinking, if Arnold can do it, why can't I?

Posted by: mikelkpoet | September 13, 2008 4:30 PM

Sam: Uh, dude, that's 19 years since I was commissioned and came on active duty as an infantry officer. 19 years of active federal service...and counting.

You don't actually know any other career soldiers or servicemembers, do you? That much is apparent.

As for my question to "Doc", I was wondering if he was prior service. The reason being that otherwise you usually couldn't make it to 20 years and still be a Major. (We have an "up or out" policy which, while it has changed, has usually been pretty harsh in the wake of wars.) If you don't make it to 20, (barring being disabled from service-related injuries or wounds) you can't call yourself "Retired." You're not on the retired rolls, you just quit.

Nothing wrong with that, but I've seen people with 10 years of service call themselves "retired" (at such-and-such a rank) when that's not actually the case.

So I wanted to know what his story was, given his apparent passion about "fighting."

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 13, 2008 4:30 PM

I used watch Chuck Norris action films enthusiastically (even re-runs), until I saw him blabbing for the Republicans during this election cycle--not that my withdrawal will depreciate his net worth by much, but it's the only statement I can make about him.

Posted by: RJ | September 13, 2008 4:36 PM

I can't blame Old Chuckie, as my Grand Mother would say, it is very sad when you don't know, you don't know.

The person that really bothers me is you Mr Larry King, what in heaven's name were you thinking when you invited Old Chuckie on the show. Is it that you cannot get good, sensible Guests or are you just inviting anybody who will push a GOP agenda. Lately Mr King some of your Guests and Conversations were a bit F grade, just like Old Chuckie's movies.

You just sat there and let Old Chuckie take the show over by shouting down Ariana. I realize that Old Chuckie is the perfect GOP in every form, when they do not have a good answer or just don't know what to say, they will shout, scream, lie and insult everybody with that very bad, bad "Liberal" word until the show is over.

Now Mr. King, if it has reached that stage where you cannot get good Guests anymore, it's time to go, if you cannot control your Guests, it is time to go, when you cannot ask good questions anymore it's time to go, when you only invite Guests who share your views it is time to go and when your political analyst is Old Chuckie it is definitely time to go, because all you will do in the long run is end up looking just like Old Chuckie.

PS, and don't forget take Joe Scarborough with you.
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Posted by: kandlefly | September 13, 2008 4:58 PM

There are so few known personalities who are willing to carry water for the GOP, that they have to dredge (Drudge?) up whoever is willing to make a complete ass of themselves on their behalf.

Hannity, Limbaugh, and Coulter have been re-used countless times as commentators, writers, and news pundits, while the latter two were even called to host of the pathetic and mercifully short-lived "Half-hour Comedy Hour".

Now THAT's ridiculously funny!!!

Posted by: Right-wing Recycling | September 13, 2008 5:00 PM

I was shocked to see Larry King wasting air time by having this cheap B movie actor talking nonsense on his show! Chuck, I don't know if you have a star in Hollywood, but if you do, you probably got it for being a B movie actor, because your kind does not belong in Hollywood and if you do have a star, I will go there is afternoon I and spit on it!

Posted by: Charles | September 13, 2008 5:08 PM

Yes, kind of well said Charles. Let me know where it is, so that I can go by and piss on it!

Posted by: John | September 13, 2008 5:12 PM

Looks like another complaint to be made to the Ombudsman for biased reporting. Can you believe it, dozens of actors in Hollywood line up to endorse Obama. Are each one of these featured in the Post in order to denigrate their careers and their credentials for publicly supporting a candidate?

No, poor Chuck Norris is singled out for ridicule. Have you no shame?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:29 PM

Looks like another complaint to be made to the Ombudsman for biased reporting. Can you believe it, dozens of actors in Hollywood line up to endorse Obama. Are each one of these featured in the Post in order to denigrate their careers and their credentials for publicly supporting a candidate?

No, poor Chuck Norris is singled out for ridicule. Have you no shame?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:31 PM

Steven Seagal (please don't laugh)once quietly uttered some very negative sentiments on the Arsenio Hall Show regarding the Early Bush/Cheney Administraton's shennanigans during a very nationalistic moment in our history. Sorry I couldn't find it on Youtube, but somebody else must have seen it besides me.
I was impressed because I was horrified about Bush's jump-off into Iraq, headhunting for Sadaam. Look where that took us!
I recently saw Chuck Norris's appearance on Larry King. My impression? In the words of Bugs Bunny: "What a maroon!"

Posted by: ernesthanson@msn.com | September 13, 2008 5:35 PM

chuck norris won the Professional Middleweight Karate champion (NON-CONTACT) title,

HE IS A REPUBLICAN PUNK

Posted by: jjjyyy | September 13, 2008 5:42 PM

Real men respect Chuck Norris.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 5:49 PM

Chuck Norris should stick to plugging exercsie machines and also maybe check into some kind of anger management therapy.

Posted by: Vicky | September 13, 2008 5:51 PM

As a retired Marine I find your lack of understanding astounding. Only for those active duty military members does a "tour" reflect what you have stated. When I, as a retired military person, states I'm taking a tour of Spain that does not mean the same to me as when an active duty person states they are taking a tour in Iraq. Context and a little thinking goes a long way -- you're stretching here and its laughable.

Ever heard of the USO Tour? I assume you don't make the same assumptions?

Or for more fun, check this Google link out:

http://www.google.com/search?q=barack+obama+tour+iraq

Amazing what a little context does for understanding. Then again, in a partisan climate this is what I expect, but I expect MUCH more from a former servicemember.

Semper Fi, Devil Dogs... Carry on.

Posted by: 1st Lt Hart, USMC (Ret) | September 13, 2008 6:06 PM

Chuck Norris is a bully and another wannabe somebody. Arianna didn't need to say a word for most of us to see that.

Posted by: madisonhack | September 13, 2008 6:08 PM

What pisses me off is that we debate and diesct the thing here - where no dumb ignorant republican red neck will ever surf to.

Why didn't Larry king call Chuck out on this.

There's no point in arguing the merits of the thing here. We know we're right. we have to get in the face of these people on NATIONAL TELEVISION

Posted by: Polaris | September 13, 2008 6:34 PM

1LT Hart: I am active duty, and have been in the infantry for 19 years. My SOCKS have seen more service than you have kiddo. Save yourself some time. Use Google. Try "Robert Bateman" and "Marine Corps Gazette" son.

And how is it that you "retired" with 20 years (because anything less is just quitting kiddo) as a 1LT? Were you a gunny first?

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 13, 2008 6:36 PM

Where was Mr. Bateman earlier this week when Matt Damon and Roger Ebert (among many others) talked completely out of their arses?

Of course, these people are geniuses. Why? Because they agree with the good comrade.

Posted by: info | September 13, 2008 7:10 PM

And what's Huffington's qualification to talk on any serious issue?

Like Hillary she'd be unknown if not for the man she married.

Posted by: info | September 13, 2008 7:15 PM

Yes, and we should be taking someone like Matt Damon or Arianna Huffington seriously?
You've got to be kidding!

Posted by: spankie | September 13, 2008 7:20 PM

He behaved and spoke like a rude ignorant bafoon.

Why was this guy even on the Larry King Show? Why is he allowed to spew rude nonsense for public consumption? It was all too weird.

Posted by: Thunder | September 13, 2008 7:27 PM

Draft Chuck......For America!
Up Chuck ......For sanity!

Posted by: BubbaGump | September 13, 2008 7:31 PM

I'm not certain if this is the same Lieutenant Colonel Robert L. Bateman

This Robert Bateman is a historian and U.S. Army infantry officer. He served in Iraq in 2005 and 2006. He knows what he's talking about.

Thank you LTC Bateman for your service to our country.

Posted by: Hello | September 13, 2008 8:23 PM

snowflake mentions Toby Keith making it over to Iraq, as well as Chuck Norris.
I understand Toby is an Obama supporter Mr. snowflake.

Posted by: Ree8 | September 13, 2008 8:41 PM

Mr. Bateman, you obviously didn't get the memo....

We are now operating on the "Palin Theory of Experience" wherein if you can SEE Russia from an island off your state you have Foreign Policy experience.

So by this new theory, Chuck Norris did do 2 tours in Iraq, brought down Saddam's statue single-handedly, captured him in the "spider-hole" and KNOWS, well because he KNOWS that we have to stay there...

And by those same standards I'm qualified to say, get Chuck his meds, he's nuts.

Posted by: sukabi | September 13, 2008 8:47 PM

Wow, you guys know damn well he meant USO tours.....but look at you go. Oh, I am sorry, I just noticed that this is from the LIBERAL Washington Post.....my bad, what else could I expect.

Posted by: BD | September 13, 2008 9:20 PM

What Norris does not see (i.e., understand) is that the unraveling of the financial markets is directly caused by the $1+ trillion dollars the gov't has borrowed for the Iraq war. The Iraq war is killing the U.S economy much like the 10-year USSR occupation/war of Afganistan (1979-1989) killed the Soviet economy and collapsed the super power. The longer we stay in Iraq, the more likely the USA economy will collapse.

Posted by: seedaddy | September 13, 2008 9:41 PM

You guys, it doesn't even matter. You have to expect Norris's POV when you consider what he did before and after he got into movies.

People who are into martial arts, and I include my real-life brother in this, because he may as well be a carbon clone, as well...people who are into martial arts tend to be very disciplined, very orderly people. They also like to be in control, and have power (whether they use that power for good or evil).

They also tend to be conservatives. They might be Libertarians or Republicans or whatever. So it doesn't surprise me that Chuck Norris exhibited this kind of behavior at all. I mean, look at his personna of "Walker, Texas Ranger", or his early "Missing in Action" films (or whatever they were). ALL of them were about power, control, fighting, winning, etc. And always using force.

Before Chuck Norris was an actor, he was a martial artist. Lots of self-discipline and self-control. These people expect others to do exactly the same thing. And they have very narrowly defined rules for these things. There's no room for a broader ideology on anything. It's just how these people are hardwired.

Many, but not all, of people with this type of mindset are or were bullies. Our president, for example. Dick "Draft Dodger" Cheney.

So, who cares what Chuck Norris thinks? I still like to watch Walker, Texas Ranger and I like the Total Gym. Otherwise, he's irrelevant.

Posted by: kentuckywoman | September 13, 2008 10:31 PM

Col B:

The "Doc" was retired a major because he was probably on the ROAD program.....and someone noticed, a reviewing officer, perhaps.

I'm Baaaaaaaack ....temporalamentemundo.
Where are the other plank owners of the old (pre Washinnon Post) Intel Dump??????
Inquisitive and dwranged minds wish to know

Posted by: fasteddiez | September 13, 2008 10:39 PM

Sorry, dwranged = deranged

Posted by: fateddiez | September 13, 2008 10:40 PM

If Norris is a b grade actor whose opinion on politics needs to be readily dismissed, then by that yardstick, half of dem's base needs to be dismissed as well. What the heck are tools like Damon, Affleck, onwards every tired and drunk Holllywood twit doing in the Denver footbal stadium, or Bill Maher's show, and everywhere else?

Not to mention the foolish Oprah who is transparent as hell in why she backed Nobama.

Norris was at least as qualified as that shril Arianna, who married a gay Huffington for money and fame, was all over TV as a staunch conservative when Mikey ran for CA guvner as a right wing wacko, suddenly got reliogion, divorced her gay husband, and now started a 2nd career as an anti-war Diva. What a two bit shameless slime rat, that woman.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 10:50 PM

I saw Chuck Noris go after Arianna in LKL and I was like "What the heck?" Good to know Chuck is just blowing hot air like his pal John McBush about Iraq.

He's just a joke this Chuck.

But for real, we need to show respect for Chuckiee, you know while everybody runs around buying superman underwears, superman is actually wearing a Chuck Noris underwear... That's how bad Chuckie Texas Ranger is...

Posted by: Ralph | September 13, 2008 11:13 PM

Snowflake,

I suppose that your commander in chief who went AWOL from that dangerous Guard unit in Alabama is your hero??

Chuck Norris is an adulterous actor and no more.

Posted by: Moderateman | September 13, 2008 11:29 PM

kentuckywoman, Chuck must be out of practice controlwise, he looked and sounded like he was about to blow a gasket... and he seems to think that money grows on trees...

Posted by: Anonymous | September 13, 2008 11:44 PM

I too am a Chuck. And I also own a Total Gym, though I have the cheap $200 model. I wish I had the money that C.N. has apparently spent on hair transplants and a face lift. What is that guy, about 70? He's got to be at least 62, 63 by now. He looks great. John McCain should take some beauty tips from him. Chuck, it may be time to stop dying your hair now though, it does look like shoe polish.

PS-It did look like he was going to kick Huffington, LOL. Seems he doesn't like/can't tolerate differing opinions.

Posted by: Chuck | September 14, 2008 12:44 AM

i lack most americans love a good joke (story)to read.but after reading all the blogs here this just reinforced the fact that (you people)do not have a story to tell. Chuck N.giving his openion on L.King is no differant than (you people)giving your openion here.

Posted by: reddog | September 14, 2008 12:58 AM

Well Chuck,I think you messedup this time, yea you went to Iraq two times to support the troops, and your a halfway decent actor,but knowing about politics you don't have a clue,so stay on your ranch and do your infomercials and quit talkin about stuff you know nothing about. Oh and by the way I spent 24yrs in the military and as far as i'm concerned all politcians have their own agenda and will do and say anything to get your vote.

Posted by: fishman29 | September 14, 2008 1:19 AM

what is all the hype about AGE Do you Idiots not want to grow old? (65).or hate your parents if they are over 40? and whats with the Blowhard LTC. How long did it take him to become such an Ass? how many states does Obama say there is? maybe he can be King of the 7.

Posted by: ediesc | September 14, 2008 1:33 AM

Oh you losers out there just LOOOOOOOOOVE to jump on someone who mispeaks. Like a guilty little kid who catches someone else in a lie. Point your finger and scream how the other guy is the real bad one. TV is entertainment after all. Who takes anything seriously, like someone would get information to form an opinion from a show like Oberman or The View. ha, ha, ha, ha, Lighten up!

Posted by: Reagan | September 14, 2008 1:36 AM

It is amusing to me that spending all that time to explain how Chuck Norris claimed to have done two tours and is so wrong, the author himself then uses the term that applies here in saying that "Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders have also been to Iraq more often and longer than he has, and overall have done 56 USO tours to lousy places over the years."

Tours, the man who complained about Norris saying tours says.......

Heh...

Posted by: Pmbster | September 14, 2008 3:17 AM

Reagan and PMbster:

Perhaps you need to read the essay again.

The salient point is that Norris tried to use us (military) as props for his contention. He claimed special knowledge about war in general and this war in particular, on the basis of two 48 hour sleepovers in Iraq. He claimed that he "knew" because he had "talked to every commander." (What, he's claiming that he got classified operational briefings on the tactical, operational, and strategic situation?)

In short, he did not just "misspeak"...he deliberately presented his time in Iraq as a basis for his opinion, and tried to use us as props in the meantime.

That doesn't float. Doesn't float no matter who does it. Left, Right, or center, it is not appropriate to try the rhetorical trick of "waving the bloody shirt" when you haven't even, actually, done anything that would justify that illogical rhetorical device.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 14, 2008 5:50 AM

excellently written. is this guy still in the service? the Post should hire him to do correspondence from over there or, if he's back home, hire him as a political reporter. he's obviously got a discerning head on his shoulders which is more than the overwhelming majority of political correspondents these days. bravo sir, and thank you for your service.

Posted by: Kamal | September 14, 2008 10:20 AM

Robert Bateman, thanks for the article. I, too, was offended by the actor's use of the word "tour" on the Larry King show and I appreciate that someone called him on it. He toured Iraq like I've toured Disneyland; and, like me, he was probably holding a Diet Coke and a hot dog with relish when he did so.

Posted by: TStrong | September 14, 2008 11:59 AM

Sowega: One of the above liberals called Chuck Norris was a coward because because all he talked about was hiself.
Well, I think that one of your own has got you pegged right on.
You can put a monkey in a suite, but that don't make him a president. And oh by the way how many of you are making more money than Chuck Norris. Thats what I thought! If you made more money than him you would have time for this trash.

Posted by: Mltucker | September 14, 2008 11:28 PM

What you are saying is Chuck Norris needs to get out of his dreamworld and experience what real combat is. You would like to really see if he is as brave as his movies claim him to be. Am I right.

Posted by: richardwheeler | September 15, 2008 12:53 AM

richardwheeler: No, I'm not saying he needs to go to combat to have an opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just do not like it when people do USO tours and claim that is a solid basis for them to "prove" something about what's going on in Iraq or elsewhere. It's no more valid than visiting Des Moines and claiming that *that* makes you an expert on Iraq.

Mltucker: I make a whole helluva lot less than Chuck Norris. Being in the infantry for your whole adult life does not pay well.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 15, 2008 7:46 AM

LTC Bateman,

You appear to be quite defensive of your position. As many have pointed out, Norris' use of the term "tour" is quite appropriate-- he certainly was using the vernacular familiar to most "veterans" of USO "tours" overseas. In fact, you use the term in your own post to describe trips including the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders. Further, I note that you assail his credentials for commenting upon foreign affairs yet leave the credentials of Huffington unquestioned. That's fairly odd.

Most distasteful of all is your treatment of your fellow veterans on this thread. While I'm sure you receive some visceral thrill by beating them about the head with your "19 years as an Infantry officer", you're actually engaging in the same type of behavior you're taking Norris to task for-- using an irrelevant fact (your service) to support your position (that Norris should have used a different term). I'd suggest you step back and reevaluate your position before you insult a fellow veteran simply because they disagree with you and happen to use a psuedonym when they post.

Posted by: RWL | September 15, 2008 1:37 PM

RWL, I disagree.

I castigate Norris for pretending that a USO tour matters and can serve as a basis for his opinion about issues of national security.

This, therefore, has nothing to do with Ms. Huffington since, so far as I can tell, she has made no claim that she has been to Iraq, or has any military qualifications stemming from her travels anywhere.

As for my "fellow veterans," my responses are tailored to their own comments. One called me, as I recall, not by my rank or position, but a "member of the far left socialist media", while another, a 1LT, (one becomes a 1LT after 24 months of commissioned service, and it lasts no more than 2 years, so he had between 2 and 4 years of service) decided to lecture me on the semantic meaning of the word "tour" (as have you), completely missing the point of Norris's trangression. As I have little tolerence for those with low reading comprehension skills, I responded directly by noting my time in service as a reference for how I know the difference between a USO Tour and a tour in Iraq. This, therefore, is not a non-sequitor.

As for the fake names, I have low expectations and little respect for those without the moral courage to sign their own name to something but rather, choose to make their attacks anonymous. It is all too easy for the anonymous to claim to be anyone or anything they want. Having exposed several fake veterans myself, in print (and in books), I see little reason to desist in this practice. I give anonymous people the precise amount of respect that their anonymity deserves.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 15, 2008 1:54 PM

LTC Bateman,

Mr. Norris was providing his opinion on the situation in Iraq as he saw it. Would you rather he simply forego his right to speak his mind when prompted? I would not. He was an invited guest on an entertainment program and not a guest at a military or national security conference. And as for Mr. Norris noting his "tours" in Iraq, it was done to contrast Ms. Huffington's absolute lack of travel to the area in question-- not to serve as a challenge to anyone and everyone who is involved or interested in national security issues. It was perfectly appropriate for Mr. Norris to highlight the fact that his opinion is based upon his understanding of the situation as seen first hand where Ms. Huffington's opinion is based off of...well, whatever Ms. Huffington's opinion is based off of.

As for the retired 1LT expressing his opinion on your obtuse view of Mr. Norris' use of the term "tour", I'll remind you that as a superior officer you are expected to serve as an example to those below you. Referring to another officer as "kiddo" and blatantly disrespecting them by comparing their service to your issued foot wear is indicative of an immature nature that has no place in the conduct of a LTC-- especially one publishing his comments under the banner of being in the military for 19 years. I suggest that, in the future, you make your rebuttals in a more sincere manner and leave the peurile insults to those with less perceived stature. While talking to 1LT Hart like a CSM would speak to an enlisted soldier may make your chest puff out slightly it does little to bring credit to your rank or your position.

On to your contention concerning moral cowardice and the habit of using psuedonyms. While I hesitate to highlight the inappropriate nature of accusing an enlisted man of cowardice of any type, it must be done. Utilizing your rank and position to accuse Snowflake of cowardice of any kind while he is serving his country in a combat zone is unacceptable. Period. Stop. End of sentence. You owe him an apology, Sir, if not just for the accusation but for the public way in which you made it. A senior officer accusing ANY subordinate (whether in the chain of command or out of it) of cowardice of any type is a fairly serious event. Might I suggest that the reason people such as Snowflake and myself use psuedonyms is for highlighted by your own post-- there are baseless accusations made every day on the internet. Exposing yourself to retaliation from an individual who may not appreciate your views on a certain issue is a very real possibility. I can understand your position that one should be willing to stand by their posts to the point that they post their full names, but that is quickly turning into an antiquated view of net etiquette. If you want to have a protracted conversation on the topic I would welcome it, but in the end the accusation you made is irresponsible and unacceptable.

Posted by: RWL | September 15, 2008 2:27 PM

"Is this the blog of a reputable news organization or the dailykos? Most posts here are beyond laughable in their bias.
why don't you make the same argument against 'A list actors' voicing their opinions? Oh yeah.. because they are mostly anti-Bush."

Maybe because other actors do not use the argument that they have been in Iraq and so knows what is going on there? Even if you read mr. Norris use of the word tour in a kindly way, getting flown in and out again hardly seems to qualify as any level of experience.

Now, Mr. Bateman can surely defend himself, but to state that experience in a chosen field is not usable as a base for argumentation is pure odd. If you have worked 20 years as a car-mechanic, then is it not fair to use this as a position from wich to argue concerning automobiles?

Posted by: fnord (Martin Knutsen) | September 15, 2008 2:42 PM

RWL: A few points. First, Mr. Hart is "MR"...he is not "1LT." He is not in the military at all. He apparently served up to 48 months in the military at some undisclosed point in the past. It might have been in the past decade, or it might have been 30 years ago. But merely serving for the minimum obligated time (after commissioning) at some point in the past does not, for ever and ever afterwards, entitle you to use your former rank as a title. You don't see John McCain going around calling himself "Captain" anymore, do you?

"Snowflake" is not enlisted. He's a pilot, a captain, and he and I interacted offline where he proved to me, sufficiently, that he was who he claimed (anonymously) to be.

That being said, I stand by my position and owe no apologies. I see the widespread use of anonymous handles on the internet, by anyone, as moral cowardice.

Your claim that rank (or differences thereof) is the reason for hiding identity is a justification for cowardice, and is insufficient.

I started writing, and signing my name to, controversial articles when I was a 1LT. Hell, I own the 140+ year record (at least according to the editor) for "most letters to the editor generated by a single author" for my essays in Armor (formerly Cavalry) Journal, in no small part because I made statements which were not flattering to the field grade officers above me. Heck, just this spring I wrote the cover article for Armed Forces Journal about the relief of generals. (I'd note that *all* generals are WAY above me in rank.) And I have signed my name to every piece of inflammatory criticism of the military which I have ever written. Every single article (and there have now been a few hundred) pissed off at least *somebody* way above me, and often pissed *many* senior officers off. But these essays, apparently, also initiated dialogs in some cases and must have amused/interested at least some others.

So, if *I* have been putting my metaphorical butt on the line, for the 16 years I've been writing and publishing, even at the constant risk of annoying powerful officers above me, I see no reason why I should not expect the same of all others.

I am not a paragon, I should note. There are things about which I sometimes think I should have spoken out about, but which I did not. Those were my lapses in moral courage. But the difference is that I never wrote something and then hid behind anonymity to protect me from the counter-battery fire elicited by my words. I therefore only ask others to adhere to the same standards to which I have committed myself in all of my own writings.

As for Mr. Norris, I still stand by my points made earlier in the essay and clarified in some comments here. The man tried to use us as props on the Cable News Network (CNN). That does not pass the "makes sense test."

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 16, 2008 8:06 AM

u guys are losers

Posted by: Anonymous | September 19, 2008 12:20 PM

whether it was 7 months, 12-15 months, or his entire life doesnt make a feakin difference..... he was still there... and there a whole bunch od other sevrice men who get the same "cushy" treatment and they complain all the time... quit picking on people.... at least he actually went. I'm so sick of people complain about things like the war but wont do anything about it. Dont just talk, act!

Posted by: Liz-from-da-shland | September 19, 2008 12:31 PM

Liz...perhaps you did not read this quite right...Chuck Norris claimed knowledge about Iraq based upon his being there for a grand total of no more than 96 HOURS. Not months, not weeks, not days, 96 hours. (And it's likely that the actual amount of time was smaller than that.)

Each of his "tours" was no more than 48 hours.

Not quite the same.

Posted by: Bob Bateman | September 19, 2008 1:55 PM

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