MSNBC: Shooting Suspect is White Supremacist

MSNBC is reporting that name of susupect is James Von Brunn, a white supremacist, born 1920. There is no official confirmation of this yet.

June 10, 2009; 2:07 PM ET  | Category:  metro
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Born in 1920?

Posted by: terpcap6 | June 10, 2009 2:14 PM

I wasn't there, but I bet it was scary!

Posted by: jgr007 | June 10, 2009 2:17 PM

Born in 1920 and listed as a white supremacist? If true maybe he decided to go out fighting. Also if true, I hope that more attention will be paid to domestic terrorists as the DHS report suggested back in April.

Posted by: tiff052780 | June 10, 2009 2:19 PM

Just googled the guy -- apparently he wrote a bunch of pretty racist stuff. I had to stop because I don't want any of that crap on my computer at work, but wow. It's disgusting.

Posted by: sms123 | June 10, 2009 2:22 PM

Posted by: boloboffin1 | June 10, 2009 2:22 PM

Not to be morbid, but this dude is 89 and the other security guards couldn't kill him with their return fire?

Posted by: JoeDalhart | June 10, 2009 2:24 PM

Quick googling reveals the guy has a website, dedicated mostly to promulgating his ridiculous (and hateful) ideas. (I'm not going to link.) But from his own website's bio:

James W. von Brunn holds a BachSci Journalism degree from a mid-Western university where he was president of SAE and played varsity football.

During WWII he served as PT-Boat captain, Lt. USNR, receiving a Commendation and four battle stars. For twenty years he was an advertising executive and film-producer in New York City. He is a member of Mensa, the high-IQ society.

In 1981 Von Brunn attempted to place the treasonous Federal Reserve Board of Governors under legal, non-violent, citizens arrest. He was tried in a Washington, D.C. Superior Court; convicted by a Negro jury, Jew/Negro attorneys, and sentenced to prison for eleven years by a Jew judge. A Jew/Negro/White Court of Appeals denied his appeal. He served 6.5 years in federal prison.

A real winner.

Hopefully, somewhat sensible right-wingers will stop getting all huffy about DHS being serious about radical right domestic terrorism. Two isn't an epidemic, but clearly it is something to start worrying about.

Posted by: dailykos2 | June 10, 2009 2:28 PM

It is time that we wake up to the extremists in our own country. I suspect this is but the tip of the violent iceberg just waiting to take America down. This group sees no need for government, it uses hate-speech over the radio, and on and on. I suspect that many members of the NRA are linked to such groups, especially with such a rise in gun buying during this year alone.

We have now been introduced to one of the ten percent or so of Americans who do not believe that the holocaust happened. It makes him no different from the President of Iran in this respect.

Posted by: EarlC | June 10, 2009 2:30 PM

Perhaps - now - after eight years of looking the other way, our tax-dollars will go towards coming down hard on hate-groups that mean to hurt and kill Americans.

Folks like to forget that in was another white-supremist, Tim McVeigh, responsible for killing hundreds of American men, women, and children in the Oklahoma City Federal Bldg. in 1995.

I do not with to undercut the event today, but this could have been much worse...lets hope it does not happend again soon.

To monitor hate groups in America, visit: http://www.splcenter.org

Posted by: free-donny | June 10, 2009 2:32 PM

I pray a special prayer every day for our President. The kooks are out there. Our President wants to work for all Americans, regardless of their political stripe.

There is a special place in Hell for people who target innocent people. The thing that really bothers me is this guy's personal bio that has been reported in a previous blog. A fellow naval officer did this dastardly deed. The religious right needs to wake up and see what they are doing also that leads to this type of hate being spilled out on our society.

Posted by: EarlC | June 10, 2009 2:36 PM

Lets not forget the shooting of the soldier in Arkansas was by an American who converted to Islam. We need to dedicate more resources to domestic law enforcement needs.

However, it is impossible to stop one man who is willing to trade his life for killing others. This guy is no different than a suicide bombing.

Posted by: PCisKillingus | June 10, 2009 2:36 PM

He also wrote a manuscript, at http://www.holywesternempire.org/tob_shebbe_goyim_harog_first6.pdf

The tone and style, and even most of the content, is straight out of the 1920s, with approving quotes of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and arguments that Jews plot to start wars so they can profit off of them, that they are plotting to sap the genetic stock of the white race, and so on.

To quote: "Their strategy, in accordance with the PROTOCOLS was: 1) Convert the American Republic into a DEMOCRACY; 2) Establish a Rothschild central-bank; 3) Capture the mass-media; 4) Enact a personal income tax; 5) Destroy White nationhood; and 6) hitch America's incredible resources, strength and creative
energies to JEW aspirations, among which was the destruction of Germany, avowed enemy of LIBERALISM/ MARXISM/JEWRY and Fatherland of the White Race. Emma Lazarus, JEW (1849-1887), signaled her tribe’s intentions toward our Republic in a poem, (“The New Colossus”) inscribed on the base of the Statue of Liberty, inviting the world's “wretched refuse” to America's golden shores — Yahweh's GARBAGE DUMP."

Posted by: bf65 | June 10, 2009 2:37 PM

"The religious right needs to wake up and see what they are doing also that leads to this type of hate being spilled out on our society."

Wake up Earl C...this isn't a left or right issue. Thats like saying it is the left wing who is responsible for releasing repeat sex offends into society...and having them re-offend. Lets wake up and not include political issues in this trajedy.

Posted by: PCisKillingus | June 10, 2009 2:38 PM

If MSNBC is reporting this "fact" with no confirmation, why is the Post repeating it?! Why are we already discussing this person's background and history and motivation when we don't even know if he's the confirmed shooter?

If this is the standard being used by the dot-com, I fear for the print side when the merger is complete ...

Posted by: mccxxiii | June 10, 2009 2:47 PM

"MSNBC reports 88-year-old suspect is linked to white supremacist group."

Isn't the Republican party a white supremacist group?

Posted by: PutDownTheKoolaid | June 10, 2009 2:50 PM

Good thing the GOP forced through a provision in the last Interior bill that makes carrying loaded weapons in National Parks (such as the Washington Mall and, yes, museums) legal.

And also a good thing that the Post has done such a swell job of connecting the dots between the specific calls to violence of GOP leaders (Hannity, O'Reilly, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Liddy, etc.) to the actual acts of violence we've seen in recent months (killing cops, doctors, visitors to the Jewish museum, etc.)

The commenters on this thread who want to "focus on the tragedy and leave out the politics" are disingenuous, at best, and liars at worst. The facts are simple: there is NO violent left-wing movement in the U.S., and certainly none with the support of Democratic leaders.

The right, on the other hand, is violent, radical, armed and dangerous - and has the support of most of the GOP caucus in Congress and its most vociferous supporters. How many GOP members of Congress condemned the killing of a doctor in Kansas last week? How many condemned the murders of police in New York and Pennsylvania by right-wing fanatics?

There is no denying that we have a violent political movement in the U.S.; its name is the Republican party.

"Leave the politics out of this"?!? Hell no.

Posted by: mateosf | June 10, 2009 2:53 PM

EarlC wrote:
"his group sees no need for government, it uses hate-speech over the radio, and on and on. I suspect that many members of the NRA are linked to such groups, especially with such a rise in gun buying during this year alone."

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This kind of talk is just as hateful as the kind that this shooter perpetrates. You should should be ashamed of yourself.

Most gun owners---including those who purchased their first or additional guns after the election---are law-abiding, upstanding citizens. Linking the NRA and legal gun owners to this kind of hateful behavior is hateful and degrading.

I love how you so-called open-minded liberals complain about "hate-speech" on conservative talk radio and characterize gun owners as racist extremists.

You should seriously re-evaluate your value system, Earl, because these kinds of statements are some of the most bigoted I've ever heard.

Posted by: _virginian_ | June 10, 2009 2:54 PM

The shooter already injected politics into this. It was a political act. Violent, but political. I wonder which right wing politicians have had contact with this guy. If they did, I bet it wasn't just "community organizing", unless the KKK and similar organizations constitute "community organizations."

Posted by: nita3 | June 10, 2009 2:55 PM

Janet Napolitano should have never apologized for releasing the DHS Report addressing rightwing extremism – why do the Dems cave so easily to this type of bullying from the right? Hate crimes tend to escalate when the Dems are in office – first Dr. Tiller and now this.

Sounds like there were a lot of school groups in attendance – thank goodness no one else was hurt.

Posted by: rkrenke | June 10, 2009 2:56 PM

Our focus in all discussions about hatred, and desperate acts should be about immediate concern
for those involved, and their safety. Then long term we should concern ourselves once again about eliminating the ignorance that breeds hatred, and the greed that harvests it for profit.
This ball has been dropped by the American people, and I for one would like to see it picked up once again. If the new President is truly visionary then he will be the one that carries it, and passes it on for generations to come.
My heart goes out to any who were wounded, and those forced to witness the violence.

Posted by: Humbleprimadivoi | June 10, 2009 2:57 PM

If there is one thing good about this story it is that the museum is very heavily visited daily by people from everywhere most of whom are not Jewish.

Posted by: teetotaler | June 10, 2009 2:59 PM

We can leave mccxxiii to his disingenuous hand-wringing. What, is he worried that Von Brunn will get negative publicity? He published a website with his rants, fer cryin out loud. He WANTS the public to know what a bigot he is. Anyway, if MSNBC turns out to be wrong, then they'll have egg on their face.

As others have already pointed out, those right-wing terrorist organizations look like legitimate targets for DHS now, don't they?

Posted by: bigbrother1 | June 10, 2009 2:59 PM

He's also an artist who attended ASL art school in New York. Sounds more like a liberal extremist to me.

Posted by: Hawaiian_Gecko | June 10, 2009 3:00 PM

Virginian,

What armed, organized, left-wing groups can you identify? There is a huge difference between lone nut cases like the guy who killed the recruiter, and those spawned by right-wing "militias".

Posted by: nita3 | June 10, 2009 3:04 PM

"'I suspect that many members of the NRA are linked to such groups...'

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"This kind of talk is just as hateful as the kind that this shooter perpetrates."


Really, _virginian_? Really? Suspicion that many NRA members are linked to hate groups is just as hateful as violent antisemitism? Really?

This, my friends, is how seriously an awful lot of people take violent antisemitism. It is only as hateful as a suspicion that NRA members may have more racists per capita than other organizations. No worse.

JESUS CHRIST, THE PLACE WAS FULL OF KIDS.

Posted by: walkleftstandright | June 10, 2009 3:04 PM

Yes, walkleftstandright, calling Jewish people awful names and calling NRA members awful names is the same kind of hate.

Note that I did NOT say that calling NRA members awful names is the same as shooting people in the name of antisemitism. Obviously it's not. I'm asserting only that hate is hate, and NRA members don't appreciate being called racist any more than Jews appreciate people called whatever names the antisemites have hung their hat on.

Posted by: _virginian_ | June 10, 2009 3:09 PM

Arkansas Democratic Party Chair killed by a right-winger.
Unitarian Church in Tennessee shot up by a right-winger.
Dr. George Tiller shot by a pro-lifer.
If the MSNBC report is true, do we not see the pattern here?

Posted by: tiff052780 | June 10, 2009 3:11 PM

nita3 wrote:
"What armed, organized, left-wing groups can you identify? There is a huge difference between lone nut cases like the guy who killed the recruiter, and those spawned by right-wing "militias""

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I have two problems with what you've said.

(1) No one is arguing that there isn't a difference between this nut case and what you call a right-wring militia. In fact, that's precisely the point I'm trying to make here. The libs on this board want to equate this one guy's antisemitic ranting to conservatives in general. I'm arguing that drawing such a comparison is the same as drawing comparisons between liberals and anti-military muslim extremists.

(2) I'm not sure what you picture when you label people with guns as "right-wing militias." Are my friends and I at the gun club a "right-wing militia" when we get together for a meeting, all with guns on our hips?

Posted by: _virginian_ | June 10, 2009 3:13 PM

"calling Jewish people awful names and calling NRA members awful names is the same kind of hate."

Well, no, it isn't, but there's nothing I can say that will persuade you to agree with me that "name-calling" (as if that's all we're talking about) is the same in both directions. Sixty years after we liberate the camps where they're exterminating gun owners simply for being gun owners, you will have a leg to stand on. Until then, you are simply mistaken, and how much anyone appreciates anything is really completely beside the point.

Posted by: walkleftstandright | June 10, 2009 3:16 PM

In 1968, Brunn ran as a democrat in the New Hampshire primary.

Geez who would have thought, that a democrat would be associated with a white supremacy group ?

Maybe Brunn is a buddy of, Sen.Robert Byrd "Democrat" and former Grand cyclops of the KKK ?

Posted by: dashriprock | June 10, 2009 3:18 PM

Right, walkleftstandright, because most of the Jews in the United States were in concentration camps. Nice try.

If anything, hatred and bigotry toward gun owners is more widespread and more accepted than bigotry toward Jews (or blacks). In polite company, no one will dare insult a minority, religious or otherwise, but gun owners are fair game.

I will again reiterate that there is nothing worse than when someone acts upon their bigotry like this shooter did today. This is clear. However, when we're talking pure words, hate is hate.

Posted by: _virginian_ | June 10, 2009 3:20 PM

Interesting that the DC Voting rights bill was put on ice today because of the NRA sponsored rider on the bill that eliminates all DC gun laws. I wonder if people now understand why people who live and work in DC believe reasonable gun laws are necessary.

Posted by: RCDC | June 10, 2009 3:20 PM

Whether an American Jew is a survivor or not is actually irrelevant. Jews have been persecuted all over the world for millennia, which even the safest and most comfortable Jewish people in the US today are keenly aware of. Resentment of Jews and resentment of frakkin' *gun owners* (people who have chosen to own guns, by the way, which also makes a difference) are quite simply different orders of magnitude. You are mistaken, and that's all there is to it. Sorry.

Posted by: walkleftstandright | June 10, 2009 3:25 PM

Walkleft is absolutly right. Being a gun owner is a choice. It has nothing to do with hate groups or bigotry.
As the child of a survivors I can honestly say you have no idea...and the comparison is ridiculous.
No offense, of course.

Posted by: racheljean | June 10, 2009 3:46 PM

Virginian,

1) If this guy belonged to such militias, he would not be the first of such people to engage in violence.

2) As far as you and your friends, it depends what you do and talk about at those meetings. I don't think I said anything about people with guns automatically being members of right-wong militias. (I know others who are members of gun clubs who do not go to meetings with weapons on their hips.)

Posted by: nita3 | June 10, 2009 3:57 PM

"wing". Sorry.

Posted by: nita3 | June 10, 2009 3:57 PM

"Walkleft is absolutly right. Being a gun owner is a choice. It has nothing to do with hate groups or bigotry."

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Sorry to tell you this, but being Jewish (or Christian or wiccan) is also a choice.

Posted by: _virginian_ | June 10, 2009 4:20 PM

Being ethnically Jewish is not a choice.

Posted by: nita3 | June 10, 2009 4:26 PM

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