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Posted at 5:44 AM ET, 10/12/2010

U-Md. students stabbed after bar fight

By Debbi Wilgoren

Four young adults, three of them students at the University of Maryland, were stabbed early Tuesday during an altercation that began in an off-campus bar and spilled onto the street, police said.

None of the wounds were life-threatening.

Two of the injured are 19 years old, said Cpl. Erica Johnson, a Prince George's County police spokeswoman. One of them is 20, and the other is 23.

Johnson said the four were stabbed as a result of a fight that began at The Thirsty Turtle, a popular bar in the 7400 block of Baltimore Avenue known for its low-priced drink specials. The argument spilled onto the street and moved a block down Baltimore Avenue, where the young people were stabbed just outside another bar, the Cornerstone Grill & Loft. Police were notified about 1:30 a.m.

Johnson said investigators are still trying to determine who stabbed who and whether the injured were also suspects in the case. No one has been arrested.


By Debbi Wilgoren  | October 12, 2010; 5:44 AM ET
Categories:  Crime and Public Safety, Maryland  
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Comments

close the bar

Posted by: OldSalt8 | October 12, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Only one was of legal drinking age?

Posted by: df540148 | October 12, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

What is the race of the students?

Posted by: rollmonte | October 12, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

The previous commenter wanted to know what the student's races were???? Ummmmm - Mandarin Chinese.........Who the eff cares what their racial/ethnic backgrounds are???? I went to school at UMD in the 90s, and it pains me to see all the bad press lately......

Posted by: tglov71 | October 12, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

This violence is serious and cannot be tolerated. This is extremely damaging to the reputation of the University of Maryland.
We need to learn more about this early morning, mid-week College Park bar scene, and determine what is going on. This is not acceptable.

Posted by: JohnRice | October 12, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

The previous commenter wanted to know what the student's races were???? Ummmmm - Mandarin Chinese.........Who the eff cares what their racial/ethnic backgrounds are???? I went to school at UMD in the 90s, and it pains me to see all the bad press lately......

Posted by: tglov71 | October 12, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

The Thirsty Turtle is known less for its low-priced drink specials than for its low-aged clientele. If the place started checking IDs it would be out of business in a week.

Posted by: pundito | October 12, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

It's no secret to the students at UMD that the Thirsty Turtle never checks IDs. When I was a student at Maryland I remember hearing stories about high school aged kids drinking there.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It's no secret to the students at UMD that the Thirsty Turtle never checks IDs. When I was a student at Maryland I remember hearing stories about high school aged kids drinking there.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

is the thirsty turtle the old cellar?

Posted by: slim4 | October 12, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what the cellar is but the Thirsty Turtle is on the West side of Route 1 between Knox Rd and College Ave.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post writer should go back to college (or Middle School English.) "Who stabbed who" is improper English. The phrase is "Who stabbed whom."

Posted by: ryanNdc | October 12, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post writer should go back to college (or middle school English.) "Who stabbed who" is improper English. The phrase is "Who stabbed whom."

Posted by: ryanNdc | October 12, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

The biggest problem with the bars at UMD always seemed to me to be the Frat Boys with too much money and not enough homework. i never understood how a full time student could go out to the bars four nights a week and not flunk out.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

College Park and PG County. What a great place to go to college. NOT! What a dump.

Posted by: SkinsOsHokies | October 12, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

It should say The Thirsty Turtle, a popular bar in the 7400 block of Baltimore Avenue known for its underage drinking and violent bouncers. EVERYONE knows to go to this bar if you’re underage here. Ive been at a house party that’s been busted by cops, and was told by the same cops, if you want to underage drink, go to the bars.
EVERYONE knows to go to this bar if you’re underage here. Ive been at a house party that’s been busted by cops, and was told by the same cops, if you want to underage drink, go to the bars. Thirsty turtle is corrupt as they come. They charge 5 dollars to get in; if you’re in the military they charge 10 dollars. Most nights they require you to have a student ID? So I guess this bar is promoted by the college? They have a cop that stands at the door who watches all this happen. I’ve seen helpless people beaten bloody by bouncers as the police stands and does nothing. Oh and I’ve seen the cop let girls come to the front of the line, all of course if your attractive and give him a few minutes of your time. I would NEVER recommend UMD to anyone that wants a good college experience.

Posted by: Dave152 | October 12, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

To Mr./Ms. SkinsOsHokies,
Do you say that because Blacksburg, VA has no crime, or underage drinking? Leave your latently racist comments out of this forum.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

It should say The Thirsty Turtle, a popular bar in the 7400 block of Baltimore Avenue known for its underage drinking and violent bouncers. EVERYONE knows to go to this bar if you’re underage here. Ive been at a house party that’s been busted by cops, and was told by the same cops, if you want to underage drink, go to the bars.
EVERYONE knows to go to this bar if you’re underage here. Ive been at a house party that’s been busted by cops, and was told by the same cops, if you want to underage drink, go to the bars. Thirsty turtle is corrupt as they come. They charge 5 dollars to get in; if you’re in the military they charge 10 dollars. Most nights they require you to have a student ID? So I guess this bar is promoted by the college? They have a cop that stands at the door who watches all this happen. I’ve seen helpless people beaten bloody by bouncers as the police stands and does nothing. Oh and I’ve seen the cop let girls come to the front of the line, all of course if your attractive and give him a few minutes of your time. I would NEVER recommend UMD to anyone that wants a good college experience.

Posted by: Dave152 | October 12, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

It should say The Thirsty Turtle, a popular bar in the 7400 block of Baltimore Avenue known for its underage drinking and violent bouncers. EVERYONE knows to go to this bar if you’re underage here. Ive been at a house party that’s been busted by cops, and was told by the same cops, if you want to underage drink, go to the bars.
EVERYONE knows to go to this bar if you’re underage here. Ive been at a house party that’s been busted by cops, and was told by the same cops, if you want to underage drink, go to the bars. Thirsty turtle is corrupt as they come. They charge 5 dollars to get in; if you’re in the military they charge 10 dollars. Most nights they require you to have a student ID? So I guess this bar is promoted by the college? They have a cop that stands at the door who watches all this happen. I’ve seen helpless people beaten bloody by bouncers as the police stands and does nothing. Oh and I’ve seen the cop let girls come to the front of the line, all of course if your attractive and give him a few minutes of your time. I would NEVER recommend UMD to anyone that wants a good college experience.

Posted by: Dave152 | October 12, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Dave152,
Checking student IDs is an effort to try to keep out people who come to College Park to start trouble. All CP bars do this. Some people ask what we're doing to keep students safer. Well, this is one of those things. If you're upset that pretty girls get better treatment, well then let me just say, WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD.
College Park is essentially in the District. It's residents would be safer if they didn't pretend that it wasn't.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

The Thirty Turtle is in the same location as the Cellar which didn't check IDs in the late 90's. I still looks the same except for they got the lights fixed and a few minor changes. I guess the Turtle doesn't check ids either?

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Close the bar.

Posted by: jckdoors | October 12, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Touche'

To Mr./Ms. SkinsOsHokies,
Do you say that because Blacksburg, VA has no crime, or underage drinking? Leave your latently racist comments out of this forum.

Jeez, brewing the haters in vats ?

Posted by: Towards_Light | October 12, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Kuklie07,
So you admit that you discriminate against those who do not attend college? So let me get this right. You admit those that are underage, but deny those who are of age? What percent of college kids do you think are over 21? Id say in the ballpark of about 25 percent. You say keep students safe. I guess allowing underage drinking in your bar is safer than not letting people who attend college in. Is this the “REAL WORLD” you speak of?

Posted by: Dave152 | October 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

The last bar in this same location was closed due to a stabbing a decade ago. Clearly the owners and management are not able to provide adequate security. This location should be closed permanently.

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Dave152,
I would close the bar, it's a dump that breeds violence. Just stop transferring the actions of 4 teenagers onto the entire student body. Every time something happens on or near campus; UMD, College Park, and PG County, end up getting dragged through the mud for it. I'm just trying to point out that this heavy drinking and occasionally violent element exists on the campus of nearly every large college campus in the country. I wish there was an easy fix but there just isn't. I also apologize for "hating" on Hokies.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

What is the race of the students?

Posted by: rollmonte | October 12, 2010 7:47 AM
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Your mother's race!

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | October 12, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Kuklie07,
I tend to disagree. It is a simple fix. First, you admit those who are of age in. There’s a reason you can’t drink before the age of 21. Because MOST times you’re not yet mature enough to handle the responsibilities that come with it. Second, you get rid of the crooked cops. Finally, you get a owner and management that are a little more worried about the safety of their patrons then how much $$$$ they can make. My guess is in time, all these will happen.

Posted by: Dave152 | October 12, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I have no clue why anyone from Hokie Nation is taking about crime, VT has had its own problems with violent crime.

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

College Park and PG County. What a great place to go to college. NOT! What a dump.

Posted by: SkinsOsHokies | October 12, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

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Show some respect or stop masquerading as a true Hokie.

-P.G. County Hokie Skins Os fan.

Posted by: GreenMeansGo | October 12, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

College Park and PG County. What a great place to go to college. NOT! What a dump.

Posted by: SkinsOsHokies | October 12, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

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Show some respect or stop masquerading as a true Hokie.

-P.G. County Hokie Skins Os fan.

Posted by: GreenMeansGo | October 12, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Some posters have criticized this question, but I happen to think it's significant, assuming that the perpetrators in question were white. I think what "rollmonte" is getting at is that whenever something like this happens in D.C (or some other local black community) and is reported by the Post, you will usually read a slew of racist comments in response to the news story. It never ceases to amaze me how narrow-minded people are in thinking that incidents like the one that occurred at College Park this morning happen only in urban areas. The truth of the matter is that criminal violence is manifested in ALL colors and not restricted by boundaries.
_____________________________________________

What is the race of the students?

Posted by: rollmonte | October 12, 2010 7:47 AM

Posted by: lwilliamson1 | October 12, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Stop selling booze to under aged teens in CP-Fine and punish those who do such that they would never risk selling booze to the under aged again.Fine and punish the underaged would be purchasers of booze- make the fines and punishments so harsh they will never risk purchasing booze near campus again.Increase the police presence and patrols on campus and nearby. Have a Zero tolerance policy for those who commit crimes on and near campus, and prosecute and punsh them to the full extent of the law.

Posted by: soccerhead | October 12, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Kuklie07,
I tend to disagree. It is a simple fix. First, you admit those who are of age in. There’s a reason you can’t drink before the age of 21. Because MOST times you’re not yet mature enough to handle the responsibilities that come with it. Second, you get rid of the crooked cops. Finally, you get a owner and management that are a little more worried about the safety of their patrons then how much $$$$ they can make. My guess is in time, all these will happen.
__________________________________________
The Turtle has operated under several different names in the last 20 years(Cellar, The Station, Lupos, & etc) and every owner has promised to clean it up. With the same results.

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Kuklie07,
I tend to disagree. It is a simple fix. First, you admit those who are of age in. There’s a reason you can’t drink before the age of 21. Because MOST times you’re not yet mature enough to handle the responsibilities that come with it. Second, you get rid of the crooked cops. Finally, you get a owner and management that are a little more worried about the safety of their patrons then how much $$$$ they can make. My guess is in time, all these will happen.
__________________________________________
The Turtle has operated under several different names in the last 20 years(Cellar, The Station, Lupos, & etc) and every owner has promised to clean it up. With the same results.

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"I would NEVER recommend UMD to anyone that wants a good college experience."
--Dave152

Amen, bro. Definitely not worth the in-state tuition and/or taxpayer-funded scholarship money.

If you get suckered in that way, transfer elsewhere if you can by year 2 or 3.

UMCP:

American mediocrity and get-wasted-and-get-laid youth culture at it's finest.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | October 12, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"I would NEVER recommend UMD to anyone that wants a good college experience."
--Dave152

Amen, bro. Definitely not worth the in-state tuition and/or taxpayer-funded scholarship money.

If you get suckered in that way, transfer elsewhere if you can by year 2 or 3.

UMCP:

American mediocrity and get-wasted-and-get-laid youth culture at it's finest.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo
___________________________________________
Don't fool yourself every campus has on and off campus violence sometimes it makes the news most times it doesn't. ie VaTech, Seton Hall, Temple, NYU, USC, UCLA, UT, UF, and etc

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Some thoughts here.

1) Dave: Given the location, yes, underage students at UMD are preferred to of-age adults. The ID policy started at Cornerstone in 2006, after a hispanic man entered the bar on a thursday night and sexually assaulted several women and bit the bouncer who was ejecting him. I was a witness to that, and it was not pleasant. I still have my UMD ID so I can visit if I so desire. It's a reality of the location--College Park is near some fairly bad areas of DC. As for why these students and the various others in the past that have been violent, that is the nature of drunken young people.

2. John: College Park's late-night, mid week drinking is about one thing. Money. Mid-week, every bar runs extremely low price deals to keep up the crowds, and typically charges low cover. Turtle used to do dollar pitchers; Cornerstone was famous for 50 cent rail drinks. When you get a bunch of young people that drunk, this sort of thing is bound to happen.


Ultimately, I'm just glad no one was hurt. UMD's rep is going to be just fine--it's never been reputed to have a student body that wasn't an alcoholic mess, but rather to have one that made significant academic achievements, mostly in fields like engineering where you won't find the students drunk on a Tuesday night.

Posted by: DrJason | October 12, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Some thoughts here.

1) Dave: Given the location, yes, underage students at UMD are preferred to of-age adults. The ID policy started at Cornerstone in 2006, after a hispanic man entered the bar on a thursday night and sexually assaulted several women and bit the bouncer who was ejecting him. I was a witness to that, and it was not pleasant. I still have my UMD ID so I can visit if I so desire. It's a reality of the location--College Park is near some fairly bad areas of DC. As for why these students and the various others in the past that have been violent, that is the nature of drunken young people.

2. John: College Park's late-night, mid week drinking is about one thing. Money. Mid-week, every bar runs extremely low price deals to keep up the crowds, and typically charges low cover. Turtle used to do dollar pitchers; Cornerstone was famous for 50 cent rail drinks. When you get a bunch of young people that drunk, this sort of thing is bound to happen.


Ultimately, I'm just glad no one was hurt. UMD's rep is going to be just fine--it's never been reputed to have a student body that wasn't an alcoholic mess, but rather to have one that made significant academic achievements, mostly in fields like engineering where you won't find the students drunk on a Tuesday night.

Posted by: DrJason | October 12, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"I would NEVER recommend UMD to anyone that wants a good college experience."
--Dave152

Amen, bro. Definitely not worth the in-state tuition and/or taxpayer-funded scholarship money.

If you get suckered in that way, transfer elsewhere if you can by year 2 or 3.

UMCP:

American mediocrity and get-wasted-and-get-laid youth culture at it's finest.
_________________________________
It's pretty obvious that you haven't spent much time on any college campus. Maryland has many programs that are highly ranked and well regarded, nationally and abroad. For a school that is so highly rated, tuition is very reasonable.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Some thoughts here.

1) Dave: Given the location, yes, underage students at UMD are preferred to of-age adults. The ID policy started at Cornerstone in 2006, after a hispanic man entered the bar on a thursday night and sexually assaulted several women and bit the bouncer who was ejecting him. I was a witness to that, and it was not pleasant. I still have my UMD ID so I can visit if I so desire. It's a reality of the location--College Park is near some fairly bad areas of DC. As for why these students and the various others in the past that have been violent, that is the nature of drunken young people.

2. John: College Park's late-night, mid week drinking is about one thing. Money. Mid-week, every bar runs extremely low price deals to keep up the crowds, and typically charges low cover. Turtle used to do dollar pitchers; Cornerstone was famous for 50 cent rail drinks. When you get a bunch of young people that drunk, this sort of thing is bound to happen.


Ultimately, I'm just glad no one was hurt. UMD's rep is going to be just fine--it's never been reputed to have a student body that wasn't an alcoholic mess, but rather to have one that made significant academic achievements, mostly in fields like engineering where you won't find the students drunk on a Tuesday night.

Posted by: DrJason | October 12, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

@ kukule07-
"i never understood how a full time student could go out to the bars four nights a week and not flunk out."

I'm going to go with "because UMCP seems determined to bend over backwards to keep people with no business being in college paying their tuition."

Yeah, I graduated from CP right about the time the riot problem really picked up. I just tell people I went to University of Maryland. If pressed for a campus, the answer is Eastern Shore. Yikes.

Posted by: TwoToedSloth | October 12, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

My son had a problem at the Thirsty Turtle approximately two weeks ago. I won't waist time with a lot of details but he was outside and said something to someone that the bouncer overheard and didnt like. The bouncer came up to him and put his chest against my son trying to intimidate and start something with him. My son refused to get angry and nothing happened. A police officer stood by and did nothing. My son got in to the club and when he came out he gave the police officer a glare because the officer did nothing to control the boucer. The officer then yelled at my son for glaring at him. Sometimes its hard to tell the good guys from the bad.

Posted by: sinclair101 | October 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

My son had a problem at the Thirsty Turtle approximately two weeks ago. I won't waist time with a lot of details but he was outside and said something to someone that the bouncer overheard and didnt like. The bouncer came up to him and put his chest against my son trying to intimidate and start something with him. My son refused to get angry and nothing happened. A police officer stood by and did nothing. My son got in to the club and when he came out he gave the police officer a glare because the officer did nothing to control the boucer. The officer then yelled at my son for glaring at him. Sometimes its hard to tell the good guys from the bad.

Posted by: sinclair101 | October 12, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

...carrying a knife around CP at 2am, that's not a typical student activity.

Posted by: chucklebuck | October 12, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Sinclair, unfortunately that's not unusual with the club scene, especially in a high-traffic, low-cost area like College Park.

Sloth: It's plenty true--UMCP doesn't like failing students in the departments with a lesser reputation. You wouldn't see so much of that among, say, Physics majors. There's plenty of good academic programs there that nobody is gonna notice because their students don't go to the post-Duke riots.

Posted by: DrJason | October 12, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I think "Riot" is a misnomer here. The only damage caused during the last basketball season was from by police batons. Those officers have been charged and almost all of the arrested students were acquitted.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

...carrying a knife around CP at 2am, that's not a typical student activity.

Posted by: chucklebuck | October 12, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey Hokies, can someone explain why the entire VT campus smells like cow manure?

Posted by: MDFan | October 12, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

C'mon... the after hours street scene is more entertaining than the bar scene!! The only thing better than a couple of drunk guys fighting over some chick is a couple of drunk chicks fighting over some guy. Granted, most of the time they're just motion and commotion and emotion and a few scrapes and bruises and they don't end in stabbings, but this was the exception rather than the rule.

Posted by: JamesMeager1 | October 12, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

College Park and PG County. What a great place to go to college. NOT! What a dump.

Posted by: SkinsOsHokies
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Where did YOU go to college?

I imagine Va. Tech.

Blacksburg, VA is no paradise, playboy. I've heard my white colleauges derisively call Va. tech a "redneck school". How do you like THAT?

Racism is a SICKNESS. Get help. I've heard a good psychiatrist can work wonders.

Posted by: ceefer66 | October 12, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Sinclair - You son is lucky the cop just yelled at him I have seen worse happen. FYI off duty police care about one thing getting paid, who pays them? The bar pays them to deter people trying to rob the joint, breaking up fights and policing bouncers is just something thats not going to happen.

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

College Park and PG County. What a great place to go to college. NOT! What a dump.

Posted by: SkinsOsHokies

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Isn't Va. Tech the school where some nutcase murdered over a dozen students and faculty before killing himself? And you're badmouthing College Park and PG County?

LMBAO at your ignorance a$$!

Get help, loser!

Posted by: ceefer66 | October 12, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I spent 5 years of my life in CP. I could not have asked for a worse college experience. My development and morale have both been affected negatively by Prince George's County. I want my five years back.

Posted by: thenoggin | October 12, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I spent 5 years of my life in CP. I could not have asked for a worse college experience. My development and morale have both been affected negatively by Prince George's County. I want my five years back.

Posted by: thenoggin
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Did you get a degree? If, so, shut up and be grateful.

Posted by: ceefer66 | October 12, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

DrJason, what does UMD being near "fairly bad areas" of DC have to do with anything? The closest area of DC to UMD would be NE/Woodridge, which is right across the Eastern Ave MD/DC line and where I lived for 5 years. There's nothing "fairly bad" about that area considering I walked/caught METRO during all times of day and night and never witnessed anything "fairly bad". The next area is Ft. Totten, which is in both DC and MD... nothing "fairly bad" about that area either. It's actually pretty suburban. But I guess if you're just judging by what u think u see when you're passing through on the main road you wouldn't know that. Have things happened there? Of course. Name a place around here where bad **it hasn't/doesn't happen? While you're blaming the proximity of UMD to DC, let's talk about all the hard-headed, trouble starting kids/young adults and fake thugs from MD/VA who pour into DC every weekend to hang out, start bulls*** and be a menace? It goes both ways (all 3 ways), so stay focused on what the problem really is here: the ignorant ass people in the METRO area.

Posted by: sltylr | October 12, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

1) Dave: Given the location, yes, underage students at UMD are preferred to of-age adults. The ID policy started at Cornerstone in 2006, after a hispanic man entered the bar on a thursday night and sexually assaulted several women and bit the bouncer who was ejecting him. I was a witness to that, and it was not pleasant. I still have my UMD ID so I can visit if I so desire. It's a reality of the location--College Park is near some fairly bad areas of DC. As for why these students and the various others in the past that have been violent, that is the nature of drunken young people.
NO. look at where we are with that mindset – 3 UNDERAGE students stabbed. Do you think they would be where they were if they were denied at the doors of both bars? Possibly, but highly unlikely.

Posted by: Dave152 | October 12, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"It's pretty obvious that you haven't spent much time on any college campus."
--Kuklie07

Nice mischaracterization based on absolutely nothing, other than your blind love for UMCP, perhaps. What, do you work there or something?

I didn't drink in college (at UMCP or at the other school I attended) because I happen to come from an unstable family with alcoholism issues; admittedly this choice did set me apart from most students and the mainstream "social scene."

Getting wasted and laid has become a huge part of the American collegiate experience; as a second-/third-tier public university, College Park attracts a lot of mainstream, middle-class conformist kids that embrace this culture wholeheartedly.

Hey, if you like that sort of thing, fine with me; I found it stupid, pointless, and boring.

At least UMCP is within range of DC/Balt venues where you can see great bands, etc.


"Maryland has many programs that are highly ranked and well regarded, nationally and abroad. For a school that is so highly rated, tuition is very reasonable."
--Kuklie07

Sure, there are solid schools within UMCP (I favor Engrg, CompSci, etc.). But UMCP has a very long way to go before it becomes a "public ivy."

Greater selectivity in admissions would go a long, long way.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | October 12, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

At what point does the University of Maryland step in and take some of the responsibility for its students and the surrounding community. We’ve had stabbings, multiple muggings and robberies, a female abduction, a police beating, and acceptance of underage drinking at local bars. At what point does this deter prospective students from attending UMCP? Some of these things are going to happen regardless, but from what I’ve seen with my own eyes, nothing is in the direction of change.

Posted by: Dave152 | October 12, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"I spent 5 years of my life in CP. I could not have asked for a worse college experience. My development and morale have both been affected negatively by Prince George's County. I want my five years back."
--thenoggin


Yeah, I keep coming across people with experiences like mine.

Seriously, I would rather go broke helping my kid afford a competitive-but-expensive school than send him to a public university full of knuckleheads like ceefer66.

Do you really thing the environs are a big part of the problem? Not having a decent college town is lousy, but I think it's the prevailing youth culture there that's the problem.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | October 12, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"My son had a problem at the Thirsty Turtle approximately two weeks ago. I won't waist time with a lot of details but he was outside and said something to someone that the bouncer overheard and didnt like. The bouncer came up to him and put his chest against my son trying to intimidate and start something with him. My son refused to get angry and nothing happened. A police officer stood by and did nothing. My son got in to the club and when he came out he gave the police officer a glare because the officer did nothing to control the boucer. The officer then yelled at my son for glaring at him. Sometimes its hard to tell the good guys from the bad."

Not really.
You make that decision almost instantly.
Whether they are wearing a uniform or not, whether they are a college student or a bouncer or not. When you're there, you know.

Your kid has to learn one thing. Glaring at people is a threat. Causing trouble, something that police and bouncers don't want to deal with unless they enjoy beating-up people. The cop didn't do anything because he was a lazy bastard who has to deal with a ton of drunk kids almost every shift, and he wasn't going to get involved with a bouncer checking yet another of the many dumb-ass kids in line.

This is the sort of thing that your kid will hopefully remember when he gets older, grows up some, starts making some money and no longer needs to hang out in a hole in CP to meet women and have fun with his friends :)

People have been making jokes about "the Route" for decades. This is why. Same with any real scumbag bar in any college town. There are better bars in better towns, better "strips" in better places. And there are worse, definitely. Tell your son that if he *really* wants to have fun with bouncers, go hang out on the east end of Aruba for a while :)

he doesn't want to have fun with bouncers, don't screw with them. Bouncers, at least in CP, are there to keep the kids in line and to stop fights, not to be friendly.

and for chrissakes, CP is a magnet for every dumb-ass kid within 25 miles. Except maybe for the Latino kids because they tend to hang with their own, and by the time they're 18 they probably already have a wife and kid. But seriously, college girls & cheap beer, that's a devastating combination.

Posted by: chucklebuck | October 12, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Kuklie07-
I think "Riot" is a misnomer here. The only damage caused during the last basketball season was from by police batons. Those officers have been charged and almost all of the arrested students were acquitted.

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I worked the game and the subsequent 'riot' plenty of damage was done. Several trash cans were burnt to the point of needing replacement, one dumpster was also set on fire, and several individuals attempted to set trees on fire. Now all of this pales in comparison to the injury of that one student by pg cops but do not blame all officers for the actions of a few. Much the same way that you and I do not want others to negatively view UMCP for negative things that occur. In the meantime Go Terps!

Posted by: capsfan1997 | October 12, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

FedUpInMoCo,
I don't mean to defend the college drinking culture (I think it's disgusting and immature), and I'm sorry if your time in school was less than pleasant, but the campus culture you described was not the experience I had at MD. Your time at college is what you make of it. You can waste your time and money and graduate with C's, or you can do what the majority of UMD students do, and apply yourself to an internationally recognized and rigorous course load.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Dave152--

What's the rough breakdown in these incidents --

Are many of the perps, accomplices, participants or victims actually students, friends of students, etc.?

If UMCP is admitting even more low-lifes with criminal tendencies, then, yeah, they certainly have some responsibility.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | October 12, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I went to Maryland in the 80s and The Cellar was one of the worst bars when it came to violence. I remember they had Maryland football players as bouncers and they would beat the living s*** out of the people that went there if they got remotely out of line. I even remember fights spilling out onto Rt. 1 and the football players would be beating the hell out of people why the PG county police just stood there and watched. The Cellar was a crap bar and so is whatever went in there to replace it. They should shut it down!

Cornerstone used to be the 'Vous and at least the bouncers there were pretty cool. There were some altercations, but nothing like the Cellar. The Cellar is where the jocks hung out and there were fights there constantly. The Cellar had many patrons leave all bloody and banged up!

Posted by: mgbethesda | October 12, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I went to Maryland in the 80s and The Cellar was one of the worst bars when it came to violence. I remember they had Maryland football players as bouncers and they would beat the living s*** out of the people that went there if they got remotely out of line. I even remember fights spilling out onto Rt. 1 and the football players would be beating the hell out of people why the PG county police just stood there and watched. The Cellar was a crap bar and so is whatever went in there to replace it. They should shut it down!

Cornerstone used to be the 'Vous and at least the bouncers there were pretty cool. There were some altercations, but nothing like the Cellar. The Cellar is where the jocks hung out and there were fights there constantly. The Cellar had many patrons leave all bloody and banged up!

Posted by: mgbethesda | October 12, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I went to Maryland in the 80s and The Cellar was one of the worst bars when it came to violence. I remember they had Maryland football players as bouncers and they would beat the living s*** out of the people that went there if they got remotely out of line. I even remember fights spilling out onto Rt. 1 and the football players would be beating the hell out of people why the PG county police just stood there and watched. The Cellar was a crap bar and so is whatever went in there to replace it. They should shut it down!

Cornerstone used to be the 'Vous and at least the bouncers there were pretty cool. There were some altercations, but nothing like the Cellar. The Cellar is where the jocks hung out and there were fights there constantly. The Cellar had many patrons leave all bloody and banged up!

Posted by: mgbethesda | October 12, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I went to Maryland in the 80s and The Cellar was one of the worst bars when it came to violence. I remember they had Maryland football players as bouncers and they would beat the living s*** out of the people that went there if they got remotely out of line. I even remember fights spilling out onto Rt. 1 and the football players would be beating the hell out of people why the PG county police just stood there and watched. The Cellar was a crap bar and so is whatever went in there to replace it. They should shut it down!

Cornerstone used to be the 'Vous and at least the bouncers there were pretty cool. There were some altercations, but nothing like the Cellar. The Cellar is where the jocks hung out and there were fights there constantly. The Cellar had many patrons leave all bloody and banged up!

Posted by: mgbethesda | October 12, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The people of College Park said this would happen when Metro opened and the good people of DC could come out. What they did not know at the time is the criminals moved to PG County so they don't have to take the Metro to get to their victims. It is sad to see what has happened to College Park and PG County over the last 30 years.

Posted by: Pilot1 | October 12, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

The primary purpose of a bouncer and a police officer is to curtail trouble not instigate it. A bouncer should tell someone to keep quite or he won't be allowed in. He should not initiate action by pushing himself up against someone else hoping the student will do something stupid like throughing a punch. On the other hand a police officer should not stand back and watch it happen. I don't care if the officer is being paid by the bar. An officer has to be able to handle a dirty glare at times especially after he did nothing to keep things under control. Maybe we have too many thugs as bouncers and police officers which is too bad since they give their professions a bad name and a bad image.

Posted by: sinclair101 | October 12, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Twenty five years ago, proponents of raising the drinking age (including President Reagan) said doing so would solve the problem of college binge drinking.

It hasn't, it's made it far worse.

We have the highest drinking age in the industrialized world, and the most young-adult drinking problems because of it.

Posted by: FrankIBC | October 12, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Kuklie07--

Glad you had a productive experience at College Park.

I graduated from a rigorous program (under CMPS), and believe me, I worked my derriere off.

But even if you work very hard, it's maddening how many things can tear down the reputation of your school in the eyes of employers and colleagues, tarnishing your hard-earned degree. Your school's identity opens -- or closes -- doors, so you can't just ignore this effect.

Frankly, I'm getting tired of being asked to repeatedly donate to an "alma mater" that doesn't cultivate a healthy campus life atmosphere.

College admins and boosters frequently look the other way wherever there are out-of-control behaviors and situations that contribute to violence (rape, physical assault, hazing/bullying) in addition to non-violent crimes.

I know it's not just College Park that experiences these sorts of problems, but I hold my state and my public university system to a high standard (just as they held me to one).

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | October 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Pilot1 -

I'm sorry that you don't like living among African-Americans. But that's your problem, not PG County's problem.

Posted by: FrankIBC | October 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm grateful, don't get me wrong. I just expected more. I guess you get what you pay for.

Posted by: thenoggin | October 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I went to Maryland in the 80s and The Cellar was one of the worst bars when it came to violence. I remember they had Maryland football players as bouncers and they would beat the living s*** out of the people that went there if they got remotely out of line. I even remember fights spilling out onto Rt. 1 and the football players would be beating the hell out of people why the PG county police just stood there and watched. The Cellar was a crap bar and so is whatever went in there to replace it. They should shut it down!

Cornerstone used to be the 'Vous and at least the bouncers there were pretty cool. There were some altercations, but nothing like the Cellar. The Cellar is where the jocks hung out and there were fights there constantly. The Cellar had many patrons leave all bloody and banged up!

Posted by: mgbethesda
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mgbethesda - It was the same thing in the 90's as well except the dance team hung out at the Vous on Monday Night what a great time that was.
It comes down to this if you live outside a major city like DC a bar fight is never a good ideal because it can escalate into something much more dangerous. Also note bars in CP don't have metal detectors or adequate security so you need to assume that people can be armed (knives, or a gun).

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The people of College Park said this would happen when Metro opened and the good people of DC could come out. What they did not know at the time is the criminals moved to PG County so they don't have to take the Metro to get to their victims. It is sad to see what has happened to College Park and PG County over the last 30 years.

Posted by: Pilot
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You act as if PG County never had criminals before the Metro give me a break

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Lots of entitled rich kids from Joirsey and New Yuck come to UMD and spend a lot of money and cause a lot of trouble. The cops should do better policing the campus , enforcing the legal drinking age, and protecting the students and citizens- even though some of them act as though they were ....hmmmm..much younger !

Posted by: soccerhead | October 12, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

FedUpInMoCo --

With most of the said incidents, the students have been the victims. A few weeks back, I think it was a Friday or Saturday night, a few kids were assaulted while waiting for a bus. Last week, they had an assault on campus. The well known police beating last year. A shootout by CVS. A man picked up a UMD female on rt. 1, drove the woman to an isolated area, raped her and dropped her off on Route 50 near the Davidsonville Road exit on the Anne Arundel County line. Oh, they had a series of sexual assaults involving a man who breaks into homes in the College Park area, too.

Posted by: Dave152 | October 12, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Cellar memories- home of such wholesome activities as "Nickel Beer Night" and "$5 all you can drink" night. I see things haven't changed much.

On a more serious note, though, UMCP provides about the worst college experience imaginable. A dumpy campus in a bad part of town where the illiterate locals hate the students and the police are corrupt. I wish I had gone to UDel instead.

Posted by: thermowax | October 12, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Cellar memories- home of such wholesome activities as "Nickel Beer Night" and "$5 all you can drink" night. I see things haven't changed much.

On a more serious note, though, UMCP provides about the worst college experience imaginable. A dumpy campus in a bad part of town where the illiterate locals hate the students and the police are corrupt. I wish I had gone to UDel instead.

Posted by: thermowax | October 12, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

The people of College Park said this would happen when Metro opened and the good people of DC could come out. What they did not know at the time is the criminals moved to PG County so they don't have to take the Metro to get to their victims. It is sad to see what has happened to College Park and PG County over the last 30 years.

Posted by: Pilot1
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You actually believe people will ride the Metro to another community, commit a crime, then wait for a train to go home.

Are you really that stupid or are you just trying to be annoying?

And if the changed dempgraphics of College Park and the rest of the County bother you so much, why don't you just gtfo?

Posted by: ceefer66 | October 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

On a more serious note, though, UMCP provides about the worst college experience imaginable. A dumpy campus in a bad part of town where the illiterate locals hate the students and the police are corrupt. I wish I had gone to UDel instead.

Posted by: thermowax
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I could not describe and encompass CP in better words. True in every sense of the word. Thank you!

UDel, USC, Penn State. Anything.

Posted by: thenoggin | October 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The people of College Park said this would happen when Metro opened and the good people of DC could come out. What they did not know at the time is the criminals moved to PG County so they don't have to take the Metro to get to their victims. It is sad to see what has happened to College Park and PG County over the last 30 years.

Posted by: Pilot1
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You actually believe people will ride the Metro to another community, commit a crime, then wait for a train to go home.

Are you really that stupid or are you just trying to be annoying?

BTW, if the changed demographics of College Park and the rest of the County bother you so much, why don't you just move?

Posted by: ceefer66 | October 12, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Thermowax: "A dumpy campus in a bad part of town where the illiterate locals hate the students and the police are corrupt."

Excuse me? That's a bit much. As one of those allegedly illiterate locals, I find that offensive. See, when I went to college - I put a bit of effort into it. I didn't b**ch and moan about my university giving me a good experience; the only experience I required of my university was the education it provided me through excellent faculty and academic resources. What I chose to do on my own time, and how my activities may have impacted my studies, that was up to me. I chose wisely. I also tried to behave in such a way that I didn't make enemies of my neighbors. I'm guessing you didn't.

So long as young drunk obnoxious children are causing trouble at local bars, you're going to have folks who actually live and work in the nearby communities who "hate" you. It's only a bad part of town during the school year, frankly.

Posted by: vickistired | October 12, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Thermowax: "A dumpy campus in a bad part of town where the illiterate locals hate the students and the police are corrupt."

Excuse me? That's a bit much. As one of those allegedly illiterate locals, I find that offensive. See, when I went to college - I put a bit of effort into it. I didn't b**ch and moan about my university giving me a good experience; the only experience I required of my university was the education it provided me through excellent faculty and academic resources. What I chose to do on my own time, and how my activities may have impacted my studies, that was up to me. I chose wisely. I also tried to behave in such a way that I didn't make enemies of my neighbors. I'm guessing you didn't.

So long as young drunk obnoxious children are causing trouble at local bars, you're going to have folks who actually live and work in the nearby communities who "hate" you. It's only a bad part of town during the school year, frankly.

Posted by: vickistired | October 12, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Thermowax: "A dumpy campus in a bad part of town where the illiterate locals hate the students and the police are corrupt."

Excuse me? That's a bit much. As one of those allegedly illiterate locals, I find that offensive. See, when I went to college - I put a bit of effort into it. I didn't b**ch and moan about my university giving me a good experience; the only experience I required of my university was the education it provided me through excellent faculty and academic resources. What I chose to do on my own time, and how my activities may have impacted my studies, that was up to me. I chose wisely. I also tried to behave in such a way that I didn't make enemies of my neighbors. I'm guessing you didn't.

So long as young drunk obnoxious children are causing trouble at local bars, you're going to have folks who actually live and work in the nearby communities who "hate" you. It's only a bad part of town during the school year, frankly.

Posted by: vickistired | October 12, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Virginia Tech is a dump in southern redneck Virginia. They promote Asian students who love to kill. As for the victims in this crime, does it matter what race you are in order for you to get stabbed? I could blindly say they were white because all white people get stabbed. Or I could say the culprit was hispanic because all hispanics love to stab people. Now how stupid do I sound?

Posted by: hogfarmer55 | October 12, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Cornerstone used to be the 'Vous and at least the bouncers there were pretty cool. There were some altercations, but nothing like the Cellar. The Cellar is where the jocks hung out and there were fights there constantly. The Cellar had many patrons leave all bloody and banged up!

Posted by: mgbethesda


except for that time when the bouncer at the Vous gave some patron the piledriver on the curb and left him a quadrapalegic.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 12, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, good ol' college life. Our future leaders at their best. Things are looking good, eh?

Posted by: Pete433 | October 12, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

sinclair101,

yes the bouncer and police officer sound like they were rude, bordering on violent (the bouncer) and unprofessional (both of them).

but, really, your son is at some crappy dive bar, mouthing off in line, then (hours?) later comes out and is still mad and glares at the officer until the officer responds to him. I'd say you need to look at the rest of the picture here.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | October 12, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION: The University of Maryland at College Park is considered a Tier 1 school. US News ranks it at #56. Do not use this unfortunate incident as an excuse to trash the university.

Posted by: bugrad | October 12, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

On a more serious note, though, UMCP provides about the worst college experience imaginable. A dumpy campus in a bad part of town where the illiterate locals hate the students and the police are corrupt. I wish I had gone to UDel instead.

Posted by: thermowax
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I could not describe and encompass CP in better words. True in every sense of the word. Thank you!

UDel, USC, Penn State. Anything.

Posted by: thenoggin
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Really if it was that bad why didn't you tranfer? Because you know USC is in such a wonderful neighborhood.

Posted by: agarnett1000 | October 12, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The biggest problem with the bars at UMD always seemed to me to be the Frat Boys with too much money and not enough homework. i never understood how a full time student could go out to the bars four nights a week and not flunk out.

Posted by: Kuklie07 | October 12, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

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You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Frat boys fight. College Park locals envious of the educated intruders stab. The serious problems in CP always involve non students intermingling with the student body.

It's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think your dumb than to open your mouth and prove it.

Posted by: Gary34 | October 12, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Frat boys fight College Park locals envious of the educated intruders stab. The serious problems in CP always involve non students intermingling with the student body.

It's better to keep your mouth shut and have people think your dumb than to open your mouth and prove it.

Posted by: Gary34
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Sheesh. Maybe you should take your own advice. Not all of us locals are lumbering idiots with drool on our chins.

Posted by: vickistired | October 12, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Any of the bad press surrounding The Thirsty Turtle should in no way reflect the integrity of the University of Maryland as a college. Unfortunately, stabbings occur everywhere and usually have nothing to do with being underage, being a student or not being a student, or any other assumption or stereotypes that come up. The bottom line is that anyone who is willing to stab someone over a fight that occurred in a bar, whether he was sober or intoxicated, obviously has some bigger issues that must be dealt with.

Posted by: schmiederx3 | October 12, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Any of the bad press surrounding The Thirsty Turtle should in no way reflect the integrity of the University of Maryland as a college. Unfortunately, stabbings occur everywhere and usually have nothing to do with being underage, being a student or not being a student, or any other assumption or stereotypes that come up. The bottom line is that anyone who is willing to stab someone over a fight that occurred in a bar, whether he was sober or intoxicated, obviously has some bigger issues that must be dealt with.

Posted by: schmiederx3 | October 12, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

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