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Posted at 10:25 AM ET, 11/30/2010

Girl, 2, dies after Tysons plunge

By Debbi Wilgoren and Martin Weil

A toddler has died after allegedly being thrown over the railing of a fifth-floor outdoor walkway at Tysons Corner Center Monday night, police said. The child's grandmother has been arrested.

Angelyn Ogdoc, 2½, of the 1800 block of Griffith Road in Falls Church, was taken to Inova Fairfax Hospital in critical condition after plunging an estimated 50 feet or more to the pavement, police said. The hospital notified detectives about 4:30 a.m. Tuesday that Angelyn had died.

Carmela Dela Rosa, 50, was charged with aggravated malicious wounding and is being held at the Fairfax County Adult Detention Center, police said.


Rosa. (Fairfax Police)

Dela Rosa lives in the 3100 block of Ellenwood Drive, police said. No one answered the door at the house early Tuesday.

Police said Dela Rosa, Angelyn and other family members were walking from the shopping mall to the parking garage on the elevated walkway Monday night when, "for an unknown reason," Dela Rosa allegedly picked up the child and threw her over the guardrail. Dela Rosa and the girl's other relatives remained at the site while police were summoned.

The walkway connects the fifth above-ground level of the parking garage with the shopping mall. Below it is a two-lane access road and asphalt sidewalks. The safety railing appears to be above waist-level on an average-height adult.

This item has been updated since it was first published.

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The walkway at Tysons Corner Center. (Gerald Martineau/For Post)

By Debbi Wilgoren and Martin Weil  | November 30, 2010; 10:25 AM ET
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Comments

This is not an easy feat for a 2 1/2 year old! The walls along the walkways are much taller than a 2 1/2 year old would generally be, and the amount of strength needed to even get onto the wall, is beyond the reach of most. I cannot imagine a girl of this age briskly flying over the wall--she must have either had a lot of time to figure it out, or worse yet, been given some help. The parents should be charged with wreckless endangerment of a child in any case.

Posted by: crzytwnman | November 30, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the above statement, the bridge where she fell is difficult for even an adult to accidentally fall over.

Posted by: tiggathaoie | November 30, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I suppose it is possible that her parents aren't devastated by this tragedy and need to be "charged with wreckless (sic) endangerment". You have no idea whether they were at fault; it only takes a second for something to happen with a toddler I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are suffering far more than they possibly deserve. Terrible.

Posted by: Ksdoggie | November 30, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I suppose it is possible that her parents aren't devastated by this tragedy and need to be "charged with wreckless (sic) endangerment". You have no idea whether they were at fault; it only takes a second for something to happen with a toddler I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they are suffering far more than they possibly deserve. Terrible.

Posted by: Ksdoggie | November 30, 2010 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the "benefit of the doubt" moronic posts. Why would the parents NOT be devastated? Find out facts before you CONDEMN somebody. You should take something for that diarrhea of the brain you got goin on.

Posted by: Mikereese23 | November 30, 2010 4:32 AM | Report abuse

The article states that the child was "thrown". It will be important to wait for more information.

Posted by: magicalmk | November 30, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

The article states that the child was "thrown". It will be important to wait for more information.

Posted by: magicalmk | November 30, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody read before posting? The article clearly states a woman who police believe is the girl's grandmother threw her over the railing. She did not climb, jump or fall over. We know nothing about the actions of the parents; for all we know, they could have been trying to stop the grandmother. It's best to pay attention and not jump to conclusions. I hope none of you are on the jury.

Posted by: kcomst | November 30, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

My daughter was their and saw the grandmother confess as she was being handcuffed. Her excuse was that she was crazy. Very sad.

Posted by: ChillAboutMilitaryHummers | November 30, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

kcomst,

The posts speculating about how the child came to fall from the walkway were posted late last night and earlier this morning. The time this article was posted was 6:20 a.m., which means WaPo apparently updated an earlier story which lacked the later details about the girl's grandmother and didn't bother to make note of it.

Posted by: whatmeregister | November 30, 2010 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Geez, what the hell is wrong with people?

Posted by: UnknownHenson | November 30, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

This is simply disgusting. Most toddlers are rambunctious, but "crazy"? It absolutely breaks my heart that this child was treated as if she were something that could be literally tossed aside.

There are so many childless couples out there who could have raised this child in a loving environment, and yet we see parents bring children into this world who really have no business being parents.

They really ought to have parent education classes as well as a test before couples are allowed to reproduce, just like we do for drivers licenses. It would weed out a lot of these knuckleheaded parents before tragedies like this occur.

I hope this woman gets punished to the maximum extent of the law. In a perfect world, she would be dropped from a four story building, but I guess we're going to have to settle for a long jail sentence.

Posted by: OnyxSax | November 30, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

This story just sickens me! People are absolutely nuts and have lost their minds! Unfortunately, I very seriously doubt she'll get a long jail sentence, most likely a slap on the wrist! Just sick!!!!!

Posted by: momof52 | November 30, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps Grandma should suffer the same fate.

Posted by: blackforestcherry | November 30, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

What? No quotes from Jim Graham, saying what a "horrible tragedy" this is?

Posted by: lipschitzantwon | November 30, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Hispanic family values.

Posted by: postisarag | November 30, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow OnyxSax. It's not like your comment was from last night where there was partial information. Comprehension problems much? You've got all the information and still manage to post unrelated gibberish...

The GRANDMOTHER did this, not the parents. Why would you have to go into your rant about "childless couples"... I'm sorry if you're childless and have an agenda in this regard, but this story has nothing to do with what you are highlighting. Time and place.

My heart goes out to the parents for their terrible loss.

As for OnyxSax, I wish WaPo had a "do I qualify to post my opinion" test, but any non-comprehending idiot with a keyboard can post. Please read before sharting out your mouth, people...

Posted by: BillStoner | November 30, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Even though the 50 year old woman has been charged, some skeevy lawyer will no doubt sue Tysons Corner anyway. Isn't that what they do? Sue everything and everybody in sight of the incident including passersby who he'll claim should have intervened? He'll argue that mall management should have known that some crazy, shopping frazzled grandma might toss her grandchild over the safety railing some day and they should have prepared for it. [Sarcasm dripping]

Posted by: Nghbrhdwatch | November 30, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised no one has asked about the grandmother's immigrant status. That's the SOP when a hispanic name appears.

Posted by: jckdoors | November 30, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

La niña estaba poseída por el diablo.

Posted by: GreenMeansGo | November 30, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

@postisarag: That was uncall for. Not because a crazy lady thrown this child over the railing has anything to do with Hispanic family values. How about if we change the name of this woman and say she was Susan Smith, and post "these are the american family values" how would you like it? Anybody can snap at one point in time so please be fair.

Posted by: veredict | November 30, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

jckdoors - asked why people are not asking about the grandmother's immigration status. The reason people do usually ask this, is because people are becoming more and more upset about the steady stream of poor, uneducated, low class hispanic population coming in to our country and doing a series of negative things. Those things are commission of criminal offenses, drainage of welfare and assistance programs, burden on our schools to accomodate non-English speakers, and kids that have severe learning handicaps. Most of this comes from their failing culture and customs that they bring with them. Instead of picking up our customs and way of life they are inserting and forcing the very same culture and customs on us that failed in their own country! That is a big part of why our country is in trouble. Many of the houses in Northern Virginia for example that were foreclosed originally purchased by Hispanic people, no down payments, ARM mortgages, and if you research, about every year to two years they sold to another family member and started over again, until the home finally foreclosed. At my son's school most (MOST) of the kids that get fed a free breakfast and lunch at school are hispanics. I suspect that MOST of them are illegals. It is not free food, THE TAX PAYERS PAY FOR IT!

Posted by: HotelGuest | November 30, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

wow postisarag, is that suppose to be funny or ironic, anyway, your comment shows your're nothing but a big moron

Posted by: avillm | November 30, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

wow postisarag, is that suppose to be funny or ironic? anyway, your comment shows your're nothing but a big moron

Posted by: avillm | November 30, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

HotelGuest - guess what - illegal immigrants pay taxes too.

And you'd have to be a pretty terrible person to want to snatch food away from a hungry child solely because that child's parents failed to secure the proper immigration documents.

As far as the mortgages, well, suffice it to say that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Posted by: heartprivacy | November 30, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

wow postisarag, is that suppose to be funny or ironic, anyway, your comment shows your're nothing but a big moron - posted by: avillm
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Sadly it is true, more Latino children have been killed by parents or family members(mostly illegal aliens) than any other ethnic group in our country.

These numbers increase each year.
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There is another news item in the post about a man who threw his 3-year old son off Key Bridge. No mention of his ethnicity though.

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No matter how the illegal alien enablers try to spin it, Latinos have demonstrated they have a violent side of them, and it is generally the innocent and helpless who fall victim.

When the Post tells us the legal status of this family, then we will have the complete story

Posted by: asmith1 | November 30, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"Sadly it is true, more Latino children have been killed by parents or family members(mostly illegal aliens) than any other ethnic group in our country. "


Really? I'd love to see your source for this.

Posted by: heartprivacy | November 30, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Unless this woman is truly mentally insane (in which case she should spend her life in a mental facility) she should be executed.

Posted by: FLvet | November 30, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Come on people. Like the above commenters stated we cant assume before we know ALL of the facts. What we know is very short and informal. You never know what goes through ones mind, or if they are in the right frame of mind rather. Some poeple come from an era where if your're sick (mental) they dont treat it, they go along as if there is nothing wrong with you. By the grandmother being 50 I believe she falls in this era....

Remember the Banita Jacks situation and how quick ALL of us were to judge her and write her off as looney, wreckless, neglectful, selfish etc....until it came out that she was actually a very good mom married to the father of her children. He died unexpectedly of cancer and the grief consumed her. No one has known anyone who died because of the grief they suffered losing a child, husband, wife, etc...I do...Now that we know her story, hopefully more americans were more sympathetic and realized that once Banita Jacks got the proper help there would be no sentence they could impose that would be able to erase her murdering her four children....

Basically sit back and WAIT before talking about this grandmother like a dog....If she really just is ignorant, then we can have a grandma bashing conversation...

Posted by: iman_streety | November 30, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Come on people. Like the above commenters stated we cant assume before we know ALL of the facts. What we know is very short and informal. You never know what goes through ones mind, or if they are in the right frame of mind rather. Some poeple come from an era where if your're sick (mental) they dont treat it, they go along as if there is nothing wrong with you. By the grandmother being 50 I believe she falls in this era....

Remember the Banita Jacks situation and how quick ALL of us were to judge her and write her off as looney, wreckless, neglectful, selfish etc....until it came out that she was actually a very good mom married to the father of her children. He died unexpectedly of cancer and the grief consumed her. No one has known anyone who died because of the grief they suffered losing a child, husband, wife, etc...I do...Now that we know her story, hopefully more americans were more sympathetic and realized that once Banita Jacks got the proper help there would be no sentence they could impose that would be able to erase her murdering her four children....

Basically sit back and WAIT before talking about this grandmother like a dog....If she really just is ignorant, then we can have a grandma bashing conversation...

Posted by: iman_streety | November 30, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Come on people. Like the above commenters stated we cant assume before we know ALL of the facts. What we know is very short and informal. You never know what goes through ones mind, or if they are in the right frame of mind rather. Some poeple come from an era where if your're sick (mental) they dont treat it, they go along as if there is nothing wrong with you. By the grandmother being 50 I believe she falls in this era....

Remember the Banita Jacks situation and how quick ALL of us were to judge her and write her off as looney, wreckless, neglectful, selfish etc....until it came out that she was actually a very good mom married to the father of her children. He died unexpectedly of cancer and the grief consumed her. No one has known anyone who died because of the grief they suffered losing a child, husband, wife, etc...I do...Now that we know her story, hopefully more americans were more sympathetic and realized that once Banita Jacks got the proper help there would be no sentence they could impose that would be able to erase her murdering her four children....

Basically sit back and WAIT before talking about this grandmother like a dog....If she really just is ignorant, then we can have a grandma bashing conversation...

Posted by: iman_streety | November 30, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Although her last name is Hispanic in origin, it would appear from her mugshot she is actually Filipino in ethnicity. Regardless of her background or immigration status, the grandmother clearly had severe issues enough to cause her to throw her own grand-daughter over the walkway. My heartfelt prayers go to the toddler's family.

Posted by: jemper536 | November 30, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Am I the ONLY person who doesn't believe this grandmother PURPOSELY THREW this child over a 6 story bridge? There is STILL a lot missing from this story. I mean come on, they were leaving the mall after shopping or a movie or whatever. It doesn't make sense to just pick up a child and chuck them over a bridge for no reason. Maybe she picked the child up and was playing with her, u know...throwing her into the air or swinging her from side to side and lost her grip. I just can't see them walking back to the car laughing and such after shopping or whatever and grandma just all of a sudden without warning throwing a child over the walkway. COME ON PEOPLE....

Posted by: Ms511 | November 30, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if child services is involved in case there are other children?

Posted by: washnative | November 30, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Not that it's particularly relevant, but the family is Filipino.

Poor little kid; she probably suffered terribly.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

To "GreenMeansGo" - Are you blaming this on the child??? If anyone was possessed by the devil then surely it was "la abuela"...NOT the innocent little girl!

As a mother of two young children, this whole story just makes me sick.

Posted by: MommyTo2Boys | November 30, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Hispanic family values.
Posted by: postisarag"

How ignorantly racist of you to say such an awful thing.

Posted by: Gary12 | November 30, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Also, my prayers and thoughts are with the entire family. I cannot begin to imagine the grief they are experiencing having witnessed such a tragedy. But again, we STILL don't know all of the details to the story. There are factors MISSING. I need to hear the entire story before I say who was at fault in this instance.

Posted by: Ms511 | November 30, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

There is no doubt that the grandmother did it. She admitted it to the police, and the mall has surveillance footage of her throwing the child over the bridge. The only real open question is whether or not she will try to make an insanity defense work, or if she will just do a plea bargain. Totally horrific. I feel so badly for that poor baby and her poor parents.

Posted by: osbaldestone | November 30, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Re Banita Jacks (brought up by "iman_streety"):

Many people who have suffered terribly and who experience mental illness and torment get help.

I have known dozens who have suffered the unthinkable and sought help instead of victimizing others in their torment.

I do not excuse Ms. Jacks for killing her four children, purportedly out of grief. Even in grief and poverty, she had choices. Her children suffered because of her selfishness.

Also, there were reports of child abuse; however these were ignored until after the girls' deaths.

Ms511 wrote:
It doesn't make sense to just pick up a child and chuck them over a bridge for no reason.

& & &

I see. So everybody in your world is 100% rational. It must be nice to be you. On a jury, you'd be a defense attorney's dream, dismissing as ludicrous any action that "doesn't make sense." Again, it must be nice to be you.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

This article has nothing to do with race. Shame on those of you that have turned the conversation that direction! There are mentally ill disturbed people of every race and religion. It is just sad... nothing more. My heart goes out to the family for their loss... and to the Grandmother who is obviously sick.

@HotelGuest - Let me guess... you are also upset about the departure from Christian values in this country... right? Think about your values and then ask yourself, "What Would Jesus Do?" in the case of immigration? Or if Christianity isn't your thing, I'm certain you identify yourself as a Conservative, let me remind you what it says on the statue of liberty... I'll give you a hint, it does NOT say "Give me your white, English speaking, and self supporting."

I'm so sick of all you double-faced Teabaggers ranting about Christian values one second and spouting racist hate rhetoric the next!

Posted by: douglastimberlake | November 30, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Also, my prayers and thoughts are with the entire family. I cannot begin to imagine the grief they are experiencing having witnessed such a tragedy. But again, we STILL don't know all of the details to the story. There are factors MISSING. I need to hear the entire story before I say who was at fault in this instance.

Posted by: Ms511 | November 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

This article has nothing to do with race. Shame on those of you that have turned the conversation that direction! There are mentally ill disturbed people of every race and religion. It is just sad... nothing more. My heart goes out to the family for their loss... and to the Grandmother who is obviously sick.

@HotelGuest - Let me guess... you are also upset about the departure from Christian values in this country... right? Think about your values and then ask yourself, "What Would Jesus Do?" in the case of immigration? Or if Christianity isn't your thing, I'm certain you identify yourself as a Conservative, let me remind you what it says on the statue of liberty... I'll give you a hint, it does NOT say "Give me your white, English speaking, and self supporting."

I'm so sick of all you double-faced Teabaggers ranting about Christian values one second and spouting racist hate rhetoric the next!

Posted by: douglastimberlake | November 30, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Curious. In the same section of the paper where this article appears is a different article about a man who threw his 3 year old son off the Frances Scott Key bridge. Only about 15 post. Nothing about white family values, or number of children killed by white parents, and there have been a lot. In fact, no mention of race at all. We know he is white because if he were black or Hispanic the article would have said so. These racist posts say more about the blogger than they do the family or grandmother.

Posted by: GabsDaD | November 30, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Ms511, if you were walking over a bridge fourty feet up in the air, would you be throwing your toddler up in the air, or swinging her side to side with enough force to throw the child over the rail? I know I wouldn't be.

Posted by: David90 | November 30, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Ms511, if you were walking over a bridge fourty feet up in the air, would you be throwing your toddler up in the air, or swinging her side to side with enough force to throw the child over the rail? I know I wouldn't be.

Posted by: David90 | November 30, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Hispanic family values.

Posted by: postisarag | November 30, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

_______________________

You are the devil. You will reap what you sow.

Posted by: bob29 | November 30, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Immigration! The US must get a handle on letting these fools in the States. We are becoming a 3rd World Nation.

Posted by: Special_One40 | November 30, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Immigration! The US must get a handle on letting these fools in the States. We are becoming a 3rd World Nation.

Posted by: Special_One40 | November 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

So sad that people use this forum to say such nasty things about fellow human beings. My heart goes out to the parents of this little girl, and to the little girl herself, who must have been so frightened in her last moments. I can't even imagine how disturbed this grandmother must have been to do such a cruel thing.

Posted by: thecat7 | November 30, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

If you comment on a public board, that does not make you a "blogger." Get a clue, folks.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The only comment I have about this story is another child has died at the hands of an adult. It breaks my heart that adults harm children who never asked to be conceived in the first place. It's becoming to common to kill children by any means necessary. It's sad. Whether the child's family were illegal or not is of no relevance to the murder of this little girl.

Posted by: liseja12 | November 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

This isn't about immigration, or race. Shame on those who would raise these issues. Why not turn your outrage into sympathy for the family, and better yet, into action such as making a donation in the little girl's memory to Children's Hospital or the worthy charity of your choice? Less negative talk, more positive action.

Posted by: conchfc | November 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Also, my prayers and thoughts are with the entire family. I cannot begin to imagine the grief they are experiencing having witnessed such a tragedy. But again, we STILL don't know all of the details to the story. There are factors MISSING. I need to hear the entire story before I say who was at fault in this instance.

Posted by: Ms511 | November 30, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The only comment I have about this story is that another child has died at the hand of an adult. Children don't ask to be conceived by parents. It's becoming too common to hurt children by any means necessary for reasons we may never know of. It's disheartening that I would think that my life as a child is worthless and perhaps in the way of adults. But whether or not the family was illegal or not has no revelance to the murder of this little girl committed by her grandmother. If I'm not mistaken I think VA does have the death penalty as capital punishment. In this case I would let it happen.

Posted by: liseja12 | November 30, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse


Seems a little harsh as a disciplinary tactic.

Posted by: nuke41 | November 30, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for the multiple posts.

FedUpinMoCo wrote:
"I see. So everybody in your world is 100% rational. It must be nice to be you. On a jury, you'd be a defense attorney's dream, dismissing as ludicrous any action that "doesn't make sense." Again, it must be nice to be you."

No all I'm saying is there is more to the story that we are missing. If in fact it WAS done on purpose then I regress.

David90 wrote:
"Ms511, if you were walking over a bridge fourty feet up in the air, would you be throwing your toddler up in the air, or swinging her side to side with enough force to throw the child over the rail? I know I wouldn't be."

No I wouldn't be doing this, but it doesn't mean someone who's momentarily lacking judgment wouldn't be doing it.

Posted by: Ms511 | November 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The only comment I have about this story is that another child has died at the hand of an adult. Children don't ask to be conceived by parents. It's becoming too common to hurt children by any means necessary for reasons we may never know of. It's disheartening that I would think that my life as a child is worthless and perhaps in the way of adults. But whether or not the family was illegal or not has no revelance to the murder of this little girl committed by her grandmother. If I'm not mistaken I think VA does have the death penalty as capital punishment. In this case I would let it happen.

Posted by: liseja12 | November 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The only comment I have about this story is that another child has died at the hand of an adult. Children don't ask to be conceived by parents. It's becoming too common to hurt children by any means necessary for reasons we may never know of. It's disheartening that I would think that my life as a child is worthless and perhaps in the way of adults. But whether or not the family was illegal or not has no revelance to the murder of this little girl committed by her grandmother. If I'm not mistaken I think VA does have the death penalty as capital punishment. In this case I would let it happen.

Posted by: liseja12 | November 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

The only comment I have about this story is that another child has died at the hand of an adult. Children don't ask to be conceived by parents. It's becoming too common to hurt children by any means necessary for reasons we may never know of. It's disheartening that I would think that my life as a child is worthless and perhaps in the way of adults. But whether or not the family was illegal or not has no revelance to the murder of this little girl committed by her grandmother. If I'm not mistaken I think VA does have the death penalty as capital punishment. In this case I would let it happen.

Posted by: liseja12 | November 30, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The only comment I have about this story is that another child has died at the hand of an adult. Children don't ask to be conceived by parents. It's becoming too common to hurt children by any means necessary for reasons we may never know of. It's disheartening that I would think that my life as a child is worthless and perhaps in the way of adults. But whether or not the family was illegal or not has no revelance to the murder of this little girl committed by her grandmother. If I'm not mistaken I think VA does have the death penalty as capital punishment. In this case I would let it happen.

Posted by: liseja12 | November 30, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Ms511--

You will probably get many of the "details" of this story if you attend the trial of this woman and listen to multiple eyewitness accounts -- including from Dela Rosa's own family members -- describing how she grabbed her young grandchild and hurled her from the walkway onto the pavement below.

Until then, you'll have to be satisfied with the news reports, which are pretty damning.

Btw, based on what we know, who else would be "at fault," anyways? This story seems very straightforward, sadly enough. Children are killed all the time by vicious adults.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The only comment I have about this story is that another child has died at the hand of an adult. Children don't ask to be conceived by parents. It's becoming too common to hurt children by any means necessary for reasons we may never know of. It's disheartening that I would think that my life as a child is worthless and perhaps in the way of adults. But whether or not the family was illegal or not has no revelance to the murder of this little girl committed by her grandmother. If I'm not mistaken I think VA does have the death penalty as capital punishment. In this case I would let it happen.

Posted by: liseja12 | November 30, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

postisarag...hum, Post is a Rag, but apparently important enough for you to feel you must spew more venom... No?

Posted by: acjennings | November 30, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The only comment I have about this story is that another child has died at the hand of an adult. Children don't ask to be conceived by parents. It's becoming too common to hurt children by any means necessary for reasons we may never know of. It's disheartening that I would think that my life as a child is worthless and perhaps in the way of adults. But whether or not the family was illegal or not has no revelance to the murder of this little girl committed by her grandmother. If I'm not mistaken I think VA does have the death penalty as capital punishment. In this case I would let it happen.

Posted by: liseja12 | November 30, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

postisarag...hum, Post is a Rag, but apparently important enough for you to feel you must spew more venom... No?

Posted by: acjennings | November 30, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

People who bring upt he race issue are usally uneducated and most likey miserable in their lives. This is a story of a young child dying and a family being devastated, who cares about their status. I would like to see how those people feel if their loved ones just got tossed over a bridge. Get a life, no wonder why this country is going down hill.

Posted by: mofares | November 30, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Ms511 - we don't give a damn who you think is at fault here. The fact is, she has confessed to the crime to the police, and was caught committing the crime on mall surveillance video, and she's still going to get a chance to go to trial if no plea bargain is accepted beforehand.

Posted by: GabrielRockman | November 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

FedUpInMoCo:

From what I read in this story and the one that is posted on the "Local" page, this woman doesn't seem like someone who do this. Apparently, she babysat the girl on a regular basis and was also well known by her neighbors who have seen her interact with the child frequently.

Posted by: Ms511 | November 30, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

liseja12 proclaimed:
"It's becoming too common to hurt children by any means necessary for reasons we may never know of."

"By any means necessary" -- that's pretty strange phrasing. I would say "by any means available."

No, child abuse and child murder are as old as dirt. They were "too common" decades, centuries, millenia ago -- just as they're too common now.

One key difference is that the awful details of certain cases are broadcast far and wide, based on the sensationalism and shock factor(s) of the episode, the race/age and other traits of the child(ren), and other particularities of the situation.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

All of you commenting that these people are hispanic...I believe they are Filipno.

Posted by: julie37 | November 30, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

With many people from outside the US, now having taken up residence in the No VA area, we are bound to find cultures clashing. Disciplining kids may not be the same. Being from a culture where punishing kids is as harsh as throwing the kid, hitting the kid, etc. may not be startling as it is over here. Reading news items where bodies of women are found cut up or throats slashed or women easily raped stands as evidence that norms may be different (and our law officers have their hands full). Lawlessness is not necessarily found unacceptable. I say this because my El salvador maid fills me in on her domestic situation as well as her extended family's. Quite alarming!

Posted by: ceeyes | November 30, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

That is really sad :( I have a 2 yr old daughter and when I read this all I could think of is my baby girl... it's heart breaking. and if I were the parent I would of beat the crap out of my mom if she would ever do that. No one can hurt my children I don't give a damn if it's my grandma or my mother or anyone a loves child is the strongest love you can ever experience. and all those talking about hispanics who says she is Hispanic???? the name sounds Hispanic but she looks Philipino to me, FYI Philipinos have the similar names as Hispanics do because they were also taken over by Spanish explorers... Didn't you guys go to school??????

Posted by: bryanspainters | November 30, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Nghbrhdwatch said: "Even though the 50 year old woman has been charged, some skeevy lawyer will no doubt sue Tysons Corner anyway."

That may be true. But it will also be a lawyer that prosecutes the woman who perpetrated this heinous act. Holding a (hypothetical) frivolous lawsuit brought by one lawyer against the whole profession is like saying no grandmothers should hold babies because of what this grandmother did.

How are you so full of hate that when you learn of a personal tragedy, you see an opportunity to degrade a group of people completely unrelated to that tragedgy?

Posted by: tomguy1 | November 30, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Nghbrhdwatch said: "Even though the 50 year old woman has been charged, some skeevy lawyer will no doubt sue Tysons Corner anyway."

That may be true. But it will also be a lawyer that prosecutes the woman who perpetrated this heinous act. Holding a (hypothetical) frivolous lawsuit brought by one lawyer against the whole profession is like saying no grandmothers should hold babies because of what this grandmother did.

How are you so full of hate that when you learn of a family's personal tragedy, you see an opportunity to degrade a group of people completely unrelated to that tragedgy?

Posted by: tomguy1 | November 30, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Nghbrhdwatch said: "Even though the 50 year old woman has been charged, some skeevy lawyer will no doubt sue Tysons Corner anyway."

That may be true. But it will also be a lawyer that prosecutes the woman who perpetrated this heinous act. Holding a (hypothetical) frivolous lawsuit brought by one lawyer against the whole profession is like saying no grandmothers should hold babies because of what this grandmother did.

How are you so full of hate that when you learn of a family's personal tragedy, you see an opportunity to degrade a group of people completely unrelated to that tragedgy?

Posted by: tomguy1 | November 30, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Nghbrhdwatch said: "Even though the 50 year old woman has been charged, some skeevy lawyer will no doubt sue Tysons Corner anyway."

That may be true. But it will also be a lawyer that prosecutes the woman who perpetrated this heinous act. Holding a (hypothetical) frivolous lawsuit brought by one lawyer against the whole profession is like saying no grandmothers should hold babies because of what this grandmother did.

How are you so full of hate that when you learn of a family's personal tragedy, you see an opportunity to degrade a group of people completely unrelated to that tragedgy?

Posted by: tomguy1 | November 30, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Ms511 explained:
"From what I read in this story and the one that is posted on the 'Local' page, this woman doesn't seem like someone who do this. Apparently, she babysat the girl on a regular basis and was also well known by her neighbors who have seen her interact with the child frequently."

Interesting. What you've cited points to precisely why defense attorneys use character witnesses to portray defendants as sympathetic innocents.

Many people with redeeming qualities perform horrific acts. People are very complicated and can often hide/subvert their violent thoughts and impulses incredibly well.

The eyewitness accounts and camera footage evidence are pretty damning here. You are certainly free to wait for additional facts and details to emerge; however, media outlets often don't report at that level except in very high-profile cases.

I think we can both agree that people can be frustrating enigmas.

Posted by: FedUpInMoCo | November 30, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

race has nothing to do with this. this story made my stomch turn, all i could think about is my 2 yr old neice. thoughts and prayers go out to the family suffering from this loss.

Posted by: eannexii | November 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

It’s easy to take sides and assume judgment, not considering that there could be various factors involved even way before the family decided to go to the mall.

It is disheartening and I can only wonder, at that moment, what was going through her mind? Did she for some reason (schizophrenic have these symptoms) saw a terrifying image in replace of the child and threw her out of fear and insanity? Or was she holding a grudge or acted out of an impulsive behavior? Obviously, this is something that has some genetic factors but experience also plays a very important rationale as to why this woman acted such a horrific act.

Any one of us can be victims, regardless of our race, age, ranks, and culture. Therefore, instead of instigating and aggravating more hate, let us show sympathy, at least to the poor little child and her family. It could’ve been our own and we wouldn’t even be blogging...

Posted by: synonymous | November 30, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

It’s easy to take sides and assume judgment, not considering that there could be various factors involved even way before the family decided to go to the mall.

It is disheartening and I can only wonder, at that moment, what was going through her mind? Did she for some reason (schizophrenic have these symptoms) saw a terrifying image in replace of the child and threw her out of fear and insanity? Or was she holding a grudge or acted out of an impulsive behavior? Obviously, this is something that has some genetic factors but experience also plays a very important rationale as to why this woman acted such a horrific act.

Any one of us can be victims, regardless of our race, age, ranks, and culture. Therefore, instead of instigating and aggravating more hate, let us show sympathy, at least to the poor little child and her family. It could’ve been our own and we wouldn’t even be blogging...

Posted by: synonymous | November 30, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

After reading all the comments I find that most of you are a bunch of racist morons.
First of all, read the article before you post a comment. The article indicates it's the grandmother who threw the girl over the railing. So the parents have nothing to do with this.
Secondly, the family is Filipino (Pacific Islander for those who do not know) not Hispanic!!! I dare you all to post the same comments if your pictures were showing. Of course, you won't. You bunch of losers! Get a life!

Posted by: Lieuung | November 30, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

GabsDaD: The story about the father who threw his son was about his court case; the incident was 2 years ago. I don't know if people commented on his race at the time. But you also should know that there is a lot more sensitivity to commenting about african-americans than hispanics. Nobody wants to be called a racist.

Posted by: charlesinva | November 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

As someone mentioned to me after she heard this story, this nation is in the midst of a mental health epidemic which crosses all races, sexes, and socioeconomic classes, and either we are unaware of it or in denial.

Posted by: deborahdessaso749 | November 30, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It sickens me to know that a human-being could even THINK of doing this to an innocent child! Its even WORSE to read the nonsense people post!

"The walls to big for an accidental fall, it only takes a second for something to happen to a child, rambunctious toddlers!" I pray NONE of you have children of your own. No responsible parent would take their eyes off a 2 YR for an "accident" of that nature to even occur!

WOW that's a great idea Onyxsox- Classes and tests to be able to reproduce. Now the government can take GODS job too! SMH...

Postisarag- Your family must not have taught you ANY values or respect! A child has passed and an entire community is mourning and the smartest thing you can post is a racist remark?

And to momof52- Yes this is sick and thanks for your optimistic prediction that "she will most likely get a slap on the wrist"....

Whats unfortunate is that she is a VERY SICK PERSON and didn't get the help she needed sooner because No sane person could have done this to a child! She will most definitely plead insanity and be hospitalized for the rest of her life..
And when and if she does get psychological help and get "better"- SHE WILL LIVE IN HELL EVERYDAY OF HER LIFE KNOWING WHAT SHE DID....

That will be an eternal punishment...


Posted by: momof2preciousgirls | November 30, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

This case has absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity, and shame on the idiots who try to make it about that. If the "grandmother" isn't found to be insane, one can only hope this case qualifies for the death penalty. Unfortunately, I'm afraid death is too good a punishment for a creature like that.

Posted by: sdarlin | November 30, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

FYI: This is a FILLIPINO family not Hispanic. But race shouldn't even matter.

Posted by: seekknowledge | November 30, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

FYI: This is a FILLIPINO family not Hispanic. But race shouldn't even matter.

Posted by: seekknowledge | November 30, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

This case has absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity, and shame on the idiots who try to make it about that. If the "grandmother" isn't found to be insane, one can only hope this case qualifies for the death penalty. Unfortunately, I'm afraid death is too good a punishment for a creature like that.

Posted by: sdarlin | November 30, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

This case has absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity, and shame on the idiots who try to make it about that. If the "grandmother" isn't found to be insane, one can only hope this case qualifies for the death penalty. Unfortunately, I'm afraid death is too good a punishment for a creature like that.

Posted by: sdarlin | November 30, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

This case has absolutely nothing to do with race or ethnicity, and shame on the idiots who try to make it about that. If the "grandmother" isn't found to be insane, one can only hope this case qualifies for the death penalty. Unfortunately, I'm afraid death is too good a punishment for a creature like that.

Posted by: sdarlin | November 30, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Sad: Most of the comments here

Sadder: Most of the grammar and spelling here

Saddest: A little girl lost her life and a mother and father lost their daughter

Posted by: olneyguy | November 30, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh and hispanic and Fillipino names have the origins from Spain. Its not a fillipino person with a hispanic name but a fillipino person with a name that originates from spain.

Posted by: seekknowledge | November 30, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Come on people! Why did all this conversation all of a sudden change to immigration and hispanics! For everyones information, everyone is an immigrant your ancestors were so don't dispute it.. not just hispanics.. shall I go back into history and school everyone? For one.. the grandmother wasn't even hispanic! Geez just because the last name sounds like a hispanic name don't assume. No.. she wasn't hispanic.. lets do some research before we put out information and everyone starts putting their own two cents into it.
Thank you to all that clarified the ethnicity of the grandmother and made all those morons feel like idiots. Do your research people before making ignorant comments. And stop bringing politics into everything .
Lets focus on the real issue.. someone just lost a child.

Posted by: muchkarino | November 30, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Come on people! Why did all this conversation all of a sudden change to immigration and hispanics! For everyones information, everyone is an immigrant your ancestors were so don't dispute it.. not just hispanics.. shall I go back into history and school everyone? For one.. the grandmother wasn't even hispanic! Geez just because the last name sounds like a hispanic name don't assume. No.. she wasn't hispanic.. lets do some research before we put out information and everyone starts putting their own two cents into it.
Thank you to all that clarified the ethnicity of the grandmother and made all those morons feel like idiots. Do your research people before making ignorant comments. And stop bringing politics into everything .
Lets focus on the real issue.. someone just lost a child.

Posted by: muchkarino | November 30, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Come on people! Why did all this conversation all of a sudden change to immigration and hispanics! For everyones information, everyone is an immigrant your ancestors were so don't dispute it.. not just hispanics.. shall I go back into history and school everyone? For one.. the grandmother wasn't even hispanic! Geez just because the last name sounds like a hispanic name don't assume. No.. she wasn't hispanic.. lets do some research before we put out information and everyone starts putting their own two cents into it.
Thank you to all that clarified the ethnicity of the grandmother and made all those morons feel like idiots. Do your research people before making ignorant comments. And stop bringing politics into everything .
Lets focus on the real issue.. someone just lost a child.

Posted by: muchkarino | November 30, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Most of the comments here lost sight of the issue at hand; namely a 2 1/2 year old girl is tragically dead, and two grieving parents left inconsolable. Chances are the little girl was born here and legal regardless of race. The illegal immigration issue is out of place in this forum. People like this grandmother, Susan Smith, and others who kill kids need to be prosecuted and punished to the full extent of the law, never to experience freedom again.

Posted by: mitmat15 | November 30, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The grandmother very much disliked the fact that her daughter's boyfriend/husband impregnated her so young (with her granddaughter that was a huge inconvenience to her daughter) and she wanted a way to keep her daughter and her beau apart and thought this was the easiest way to achieve her goal. And no, my comments are not a joke.

Posted by: rockingthered | November 30, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The grandmother very much disliked the fact that her daughter's boyfriend/husband impregnated her so young (with her granddaughter that was a huge inconvenience to her daughter) and she wanted a way to keep her daughter and her beau apart and thought this was the easiest way to achieve her goal. And no, my comments are not a joke.

Posted by: rockingthered | November 30, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

To rockingthered:

You sound like you know the family. Please send my condolences to the mother, father, and anyone else who is grieving. This is so tragic.

Posted by: jane-e | November 30, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Why???? This baby girl had some thing we lose as we age...blind trust. This precious little girl had no hesitation about going to Gramma, letting Gramma pick her up. As she was dropped over the side of the walkway, she panicked because she wasn't in
Gramma's loving arms anymore. The panic only lasted a few mili seconds. I pray that this child died quickly.

Posted by: skinfreak | November 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

This is so very sad and tragic. The thoughts that come to my mind is what went through the childs mind when this happened. So sad.. You are right..blind trust. My heart hurts for the baby. God bless her little soul.

Posted by: michaelanne21 | November 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I am friends with the father. I work with him. He is DEVASTATED. He was at work when he got a call of what happened. Trust me. The parents aren't at fault here. They love the baby. Took care of her like no other.

Posted by: jdichoso22 | November 30, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I am friends with the father. I work with him. He is DEVASTATED. He was at work when he got a call of what happened. Trust me. The parents aren't at fault here. They love the baby. Took care of her like no other.

Posted by: jdichoso22 | November 30, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Half of you are IDIOTS.

The family is not hispanic in any way.

The parents LOVED their daughter and it was the sick and disgusting grandmother who did this.

Before you jump on parenting skills and hispanic immigrants, get your facts straight. You all are just worthless. This story isn't about parenting or illegal immigration, IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE GIRL WHO TRAGICALLY LOST HER LIFE. Stop being so inhuman.

Posted by: ducky4djo | December 1, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Half of you are IDIOTS.

The family is not hispanic in any way.

The parents LOVED their daughter and it was the sick and disgusting grandmother who did this.

Before you jump on parenting skills and hispanic immigrants, get your facts straight. You all are just worthless. This story isn't about parenting or illegal immigration, IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE GIRL WHO TRAGICALLY LOST HER LIFE. Stop being so inhuman.

Posted by: ducky4djo | December 1, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I had no idea so many ignorant people live in the dc area, read the post and comment on articles. This truly scares me.

A innocent child has died. All of the facts are not known at this time. This has nothing to with race or values or immigration or religion. This has to do with a tragedy that no one posting on here has all the facts on at this time. Once the facts are in then maybe people can make informed, intelligent comments. Judging from many of the comments already posted though I doubt it.

The best thing any of us can do is to keep this poor child and her family in our thoughts and prayers and wait for FACTS before passing judgement.

Posted by: ctenic1 | December 1, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

I believe they have video of what happened that is why they say the child was "thrown". I dont believe it was just speculation. They have to say "allegedly thrown" becasue of the law. Thanks.
Suwanee at Etsy

Posted by: suwanee007 | December 1, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

my heart breaks as i think of that little girls last thoughts as she fell of the grandmother she no doubt loved...

Posted by: AsadULTRAWalker | December 1, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

What we are supposed to be posting is about this particular story, not about race, "family values", etc. I am ashamed that a lot of you feel you have to berate other people and have nothing intelligent to say about this poor family and instead are talking about racial issues. Race is not the issue here. The issue is a mentally disturbed grandmother who obviously needs a lot of help. Unfortunately, in response to that help, depends on what facility she will be in. I personally believe there is a little place in hell reserved for people like this. On the other hand, in response to many postings about "race and family values", have you all forgotten about the Oklahoma bombing? Wasn't that caused by a "white" person? What about that woman who drowned her five children? She is white also. Hmmmm.....I don't recall anyone bashing white people or "family values". All anyone said was, "That poor mentally disturbed person needs help." So, think before you post racist comments. My heart and prayers go out to this family.

Posted by: mischabelle81 | December 4, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

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