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Posted at 10:09 PM ET, 09/27/2010

Boy, 2, shoots self with found pistol

By Erica Johnston

A 2-year-old boy shot himself Monday with a pistol he found under a bed in an apartment in western Maryland, authorities said.

The boy, who was not named, was hit in the chest and critically wounded, said Hagerstown police chief Arthur Smith.

Smith said the boy was taken to Children's Hospital in the District after the incident, which occurred about 1:15 a.m.

Smith said the incident taught a "hard lesson" about the need to store firearms securely.

-- Martin Weil

By Erica Johnston  | September 27, 2010; 10:09 PM ET
Categories:  Crime and Public Safety, Maryland  
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Comments

Even 2-year olds have rights to carry firearms. Welcome to Amerika...

Posted by: Towards_Light | September 28, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Even 2-year olds have rights to carry firearms. Welcome to Amerika...

Posted by: Towards_Light | September 28, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Reply To:
Towards_Light, you are stupid, and NEED help, also you need to go back to school starting in the First Grade, First to learn how to spell America. What an evil thing to say, I hope that you do not have ANY Kids.

Posted by: onesugar | September 28, 2010 3:42 AM | Report abuse

Reply To:
Towards_Light, you are stupid, and NEED help, also you need to go back to school starting in the First Grade, First to learn how to spell America. What an evil thing to say, I hope that you do not have ANY Kids.

Posted by: onesugar | September 28, 2010 3:43 AM | Report abuse

While still tragic, accidental shooting deaths of children under 6 are remarkably low -- less than one per state per year. That's many times lower than most other causes, including drowning in tubs, falls down stairs, poisoning, and on and on. By far the biggest killer is automobile accidents. Let's ban stairs, bathtubs, chemicals and cars.

Posted by: Bearbank | September 28, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

What was a 2-year old doing awake at 1:15 am?

Seems like a lot is missing from this article. Will the parent(s) be charged with anything?

Posted by: mjp3md | September 28, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Details are sketchy here but I have to wonder how a 2 year old who is just mastering handling a fork can pull the trigger on a handgun. TV news is reporting that the child's 17 year old sibling and another relative were also present at the time of the shooting. So, the 2 year old *shooting himself* sounds a bit fishy.

Posted by: Nghbrhdwatch | September 28, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

yes, NRA, guns don't kill people, people kill people

Posted by: mimo1 | September 28, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I could buy it that the kid shot himself in the foot or in the face. Two year old shooting himself in the chest doesn't sound right.

None of it sounds right because the trigger pull on a revolver or a semiautomatic is more than a two year old is strong enough to pull.

That's gotta be BS because a real gun is too heavy for a two year old to play with.

Posted by: blasmaic | September 28, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

yes, NRA, guns don't kill people, people kill people

Posted by: mimo1

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If this kid had somehow managed to get behind the wheel of his parent's car and killed himself or someone else, would you blame the car?

Posted by: Hk45 | September 28, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

The NRA is responsible for this shooting. We need to register pistols and the owners required to lock them up. This is the fault of the irresponsible NRA and their nutty agenda to tote guns around like the WIld West days.

Posted by: davidmweiss1 | September 28, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

@davidmweiss1- I think you need a reality check. The NRA has nothing to do with this shooting (note- I am not a NRA member nor do I own a gun), and obviously you know nothing about local laws regarding gun ownership. Until your intelligence level increases PLEASE keep foot in mouth.

This is a tragic story that needs further investigation. Keep your snarky comments about the NRA out of this. Ultimately this comes down to adults, more accurately parents, failing to provide a safe environment for their child.

Posted by: devilsadvocate3 | September 28, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

You are right, devilsadvocate3!

Posted by: DecafDrinker | September 28, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Another NRA victory. Nothing like those responsible gun owners. But the 2nd admendment says you have the right to have your 2 y.o. shoot themselves.

Posted by: jckdoors | September 28, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Where is the rest of the article? This morning Fox5 reported that the 2 year old's 16 year old brother had the gun (illegally) hidden under the bed. The 2 year old found it, shot himself in the chest, the older brother's 17 year old girlfriend decided to "hide" the gun in a nearby park. The older brother is facing numerous weapons charges.

Posted by: Redial1 | September 28, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

They better investigate the "sibling", because if they were present, even if the 2 yr old was able to pull the trigger in a manner where he was able to shoot himself in the chest, you would think the amount of time it would take a todler to wrestle the weight of a handgun into position would be more than ample for a lucid observer to notice and "take the gun away from the baby"...

Also, wouldn't it be fairly obvious that it was point blank range, I mean, how long are this giant todlers arms?

Much more to this story... Little past the little guys bedtime...

Posted by: BillStoner | September 28, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

You can't outlaw stupidity -- but you can hope for change...

Posted by: Apostrophe | September 28, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Poor Tot's parents (or Mom, more likely) need to be forcibly sterilized so they cannot put any more children at danger.

Posted by: lingering_lead | September 28, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

a 2yr old can bearley hold its cu let alone a gun and y the hell is this child not in the bed at that time of morning something just aint right or something is realy realy wrong. sad :-(

Posted by: just2cute4yall | September 28, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

a 2yr old can bearley hold its cup let alone a gun and y the hell is this child not in the bed at that time of morning something just aint right or something is realy realy wrong. sad :-(

Posted by: just2cute4yall | September 28, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Think about it. "Trigger finger" doesn't always mean the index finger. The child turns the gun around and uses both thumbs to press the trigger. Where is the bulet going to go? Straight to the chest, or worse. A tragic accident that could have been avoided. Always keep your guns properly stored.

Posted by: reno145 | September 28, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Guns are made for the express purpose of killing. Stairs, bathtubs, and cars are not. The analogy does not work.

Posted by: dottie_b | September 28, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Uhhh, great job WashPost with this article (NOT).

WAMU (and several other news outlets) reported that the toddler's 16 year-old brother put the gun under the mattress. The same gun was reported stolen a few weeks ago.

http://wamu.org/news/#wamu-news-recent

Posted by: k_romulus | September 28, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Those who are making the argument that "cars kill more kids than guns, so should we outlaw cars?" are missing the point. So are those who blame gun laws.
Parents are supposed to do everything they can to protect their children. This means keeping them safe in the car, in the bathtub, and keeping guns out of their reach. We do not need to outlaw anything. Parents need to take better care of their children. Having a gun in the house did not cause this tragedy. There are obviously many other things terribly wrong with this child's home environment.

Posted by: vateachermom | September 28, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

No more excuses, if you leave a firearm around a child and that child shoots themselves you are 100 percent responsible and should be charged accordingly. If people want their firearms then fine, but they need to be held fully accountable for the repercussions. I think this individual should be charged with a crime similar to if he or she shot the child themselves.

Posted by: DevinLilly21 | September 28, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I'm just glad he's alive. I'm surprised a 2-year old had the strength to pull the trigger.

Posted by: forgetthis | September 28, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

September 28, 2010 - By Kavitha Cardoza

A 2-year-old boy from Hagerstown, Maryland is in critical condition after he found a handgun under a bed and shot himself. Mario Longus is now at Children's National Medical Center in D.C. with a gunshot wound to the chest.

Police believe the gun was put under the bed by the toddler's older brother, 16 year old Marcus Longus, it was reported stolen a few weeks ago.

After the shooting police say Longus's girlfriend Fantasia Rivera removed the gun from the apartment and hid it in a nearby playground. Both teenagers have been charged as adults, with obstructing and hindering, making a false statement to the police, possessing a regulated firearm as a minor and theft.

In addition Longus was charged with leaving a loaded handgun where a minor could reach it and Rivera with transporting a handgun.

Posted by: egengle | September 28, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Pretty strong 2 year old to pull any trigger I must say. It had to be a very small gun, because anything over a .22 or .25 would have blown him right away. Hope the child makes it.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | September 28, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

That's another thing? How was a 2-year able to pick up a matress? This is one strong kid. Was it under the mattress or under the bed? And I have serious doubts that a 2-year old would have the wherewithal to put 2 thumbs on that trigger. It's possible, but that doesn't explain him picking up that mattress at 1am with the lights out.

Posted by: forgetthis | September 28, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Actually dottie_b, the analogy works perfectly. You have a toddler in a house, you have hazards like cleaning chemicals, steak knives, electrical outlets, glass, stairs, etc. and guns. It's your responsibility as a parent to reduce the chances of your child to encounter those hazards. To a 2 year old, a broken glass, or toilet bowl cleaner, is more hazardous than a pistol.

The Washington Post is well known for its anti-hand gun bias; and that is perfectly illustrated in this article. It was deliberately edited from the source to portray gun ownership in its worst light.

According to a more complete source, the gun was illegally obtained and stored by the older brother. And the girlfriend of the brother attempted to hide the evidence. Neither could be considered responsible people or model citizens. And neither were members of the NRA.

Yes, this was a tragedy for the child. But it is an acceptable cost of freedom. The cost of freedom is paid for by the blood and toil of patriots, and those unable or unwilling to accept the responsibilities that come with it.

Let me put it this way. I, and millions of other Americans, have had guns in our homes since before the birth of our children. We managed to raise them without letting them get into them and hurt themselves or others. If we, as reasonably competent parents can do so, so can others. And the ones that can't, prove they aren't competent parents.

Posted by: mhoust | September 28, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Responsible gun ownership" is an oxymoron.

Posted by: conchfc | September 28, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

@ Towards_Light your obviously an idiot....but anyway...If you cannot protect your children who do you expect to do it. It is the resposibility of the weapon owner to secure the weapon so that these type of things do not happen. In this case I believe whoever owns the weapon should be held accountable. This is a tragedy that is going to continue until people realize that children are curious and things that can harm and/or kill them should be kept under lock and key!! NO EXCEPTIONS! Now the only thing that can be said is "Sorry"...BS!!

Posted by: mslovejoye68 | September 28, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"Yes, this was a tragedy for the child. But it is an acceptable cost of freedom. The cost of freedom is paid for by the blood and toil of patriots, and those unable or unwilling to accept the responsibilities that come with it."


Dude, seriously, **** you.

Not surprising that your attempt at a dismissive platitude makes absolutely no logical sense.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 28, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

As others have noted, some details are definitely missing, which may explain the following update charging the teens vs closing the case as an accident.

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/09/teens-arrested-after-toddler-shoots-himself-15171.html

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A 2-year old child does not have the weight (28 pounds average weight) or manual dexterity to hold, aim and fire a gun (even a 22 at 3 pounds) in such a way as to inflict a chest wound. Even if he dropped the gun and it discharged accidentally, a chest wound is remotely possible, but highly unlikely.

Further investigation will determine if there is gun residue on the child's hands - though I suspect that will not be the case.

There is far more to this than posted on the internet.

Posted by: asmith1 | September 28, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I agree that this is sketchy. It's hard for an adult to shoot him or herself in the chest; how was the toddler able to do it?

Regardless, guns should not be left loaded in a house, period. We have six rifles and not a one of them is ever kept loaded. We have no children, so they're not locked (you can still brain someone pretty well by dropping a gun or hitting with a gun). For security reasons, I have a cartridge by the bed. My husband is usually away during the week and we can't have a dog in our apartment. :(

I do feel incredibly sorry for everyone involved as this was probably an "accident" and maybe the parents didn't know the teenager had the gun, but the fact of the matter is, NEVER POINT A GUN UNLESS YOU INTEND TO KILL; regardless of whether it's loaded.

Posted by: hebe1 | September 28, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I agree that this is sketchy. It's hard for an adult to shoot him or herself in the chest; how was the toddler able to do it?

Regardless, guns should not be left loaded in a house, period. We have six rifles and not a one of them is ever kept loaded. We have no children, so they're not locked (you can still brain someone pretty well by dropping a gun or hitting with a gun). For security reasons, I have a cartridge by the bed. My husband is usually away during the week and we can't have a dog in our apartment. :(

I do feel incredibly sorry for everyone involved as this was probably an "accident" and maybe the parents didn't know the teenager had the gun, but the fact of the matter is, NEVER POINT A GUN UNLESS YOU INTEND TO KILL; regardless of whether it's loaded.

Posted by: hebe1 | September 28, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

So many holes in story. 2 year old wandering around house at 1AM, lifts mattress, lifts heavy firearm (heavy for 2 year old), and pulls trigger shooting himself. Parents and older sibling must have some responsibility. And all you gun nuts with your mantra people kill people not guns are so stupid it's beyond comprehension; stupid people and stupid parents kill people and their kids with guns they don't need in the house. This is one screwed up household. Hopefully talented WHC docs will pull this kid through. Then he can go right into CPS and hopefully have a life.

Posted by: counterisk | September 28, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

So many holes in story. 2 year old wandering around house at 1AM, lifts mattress, lifts heavy firearm (heavy for 2 year old), and pulls trigger shooting himself. Parents and older sibling must have some responsibility. And all you gun nuts with your mantra people kill people not guns are so stupid it's beyond comprehension; stupid people and stupid parents kill people and their kids with guns they don't need in the house. This is one screwed up household. Hopefully talented WHC docs will pull this kid through. Then he can go right into CPS and hopefully have a life.

Posted by: counterisk | September 28, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Obviously devilsadvocate is another gun that needs to get a check up from the neck up. OF course it's the NRA's fault. The NRA and it's nutty agenda of having people tote around handguns in public like it's the wild west. Probably the parents of the child are gun nuts also. THe parents share in the blame for leaving a loaded pistol in the house where their child could get it. However the NRA shares in this blame.

Posted by: davidmweiss1 | September 28, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

mhoust, I fail to see how this is an acceptable cost of freedom for the two-year old? Even accepting your reasoning that "The cost of freedom is paid for by the blood and toil of patriots, and those unable or unwilling to accept the responsibilities that come with it," how does this apply to the toddler who is neither patriot nor irresponsible? Please explain. Thx

Posted by: conchfc | September 28, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Redneck children basically sleep during the day and wander at night while their parents are asleep.

You know the night shift

Posted by: Special_One40 | September 28, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Guns don't kill people, toddlers kill people.

Posted by: dtysko | September 28, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

As long as Americans love their right to bear saturday night specials more than their children, this will continue to happen.

Posted by: areyousaying | September 28, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

While I confess to knowing little about the mechanics and physics involved with the actual shooting of a hand gun, I am quite skeptical reading the story of a two year old shooting themselves in the chest with a hand gun. Something doesn't sound right here. I hope the entire story is presented and if there are any culpable parties they are punished to the fullest extent our gun loving justice system allows.

Posted by: djhoops83 | September 28, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

In addition, to my earlier commentary, while I have never shot a hand gun, I have shot 22 caliber rifles and shot guns. As a young boy, maybe 10 years old, I used to shoot rabbits on my family's old farm property in Dutchess County, New York. That being said, I am well versed on gun safety and the need for training and education. Unfortunately, this incident sounds like another example of a Saturday night special, purchased on the street for $20 bucks or won in a card game. Certain segments of our society cannot be trusted with handguns or any firarm for the that matter. Until we decide to truly toughen our gun laws, this will continue to occur. Don't get me wrong, I am not some bleeding heart liberal, I believe in the right to bear arms, but I also realize that our founding fathers were living in an age where bearing arms was a neccssity for survival. Two hundred years ago you hunted for meat, grew your own vegtables. Fast forward to 2010, not so much. Get the guns off the street and out of the hoods.

Posted by: djhoops83 | September 28, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The smallest guns made are too heavy for a two year old to fire, and a two year old does not know how to fire or even point a gun.

Posted by: blasmaic | September 28, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

mimo = Typical leftard!

Posted by: madmike272 | September 28, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

death by relative perhaps?these juvie thugs know they can get away with anything.the whiners use race,age and their fellow travellers to make sure they survive to terroize society again.

Posted by: pofinpa | September 28, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Those of you trying to defend guns by saying things like stairs, bathtubs and cars kill more children than guns do are missing a key point. Stairs, bathtubs and cars all serve a primary purpose that isn't violent (getting up and down floors, cleaning up, transportation). Guns, however, have no purpose other than to kill living beings.

Posted by: cpantelias | September 28, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Those of you trying to defend guns by saying things like stairs, bathtubs and cars kill more children than guns do are missing a key point. Stairs, bathtubs and cars all serve a primary purpose that isn't violent (getting up and down floors, cleaning up, transportation). Guns, however, have no purpose other than to kill living beings.

Posted by: cpantelias | September 28, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, of course, it's the parent's responsibility to keep the child safe. But what do you do when parents shirk their responsibility? Nothing?

Posted by: cpantelias | September 28, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I think people who think those who have opposing opinions are stupid, are stupid.

Poor toddler!

Posted by: hebe1 | September 28, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

coutnerisk is right -- too many holes in the story. The child's home environment is far from ideal -- wandering around at 1:15 am, can he really lift a mattress and pull the trigger by himself? Girlfriend hides the gun IN A PLAYGROUND! Too many fishy details. I'd bet a week's salary the older people were fooling around with the gun and accidentally shot the toddler. Where were the parents of these kids at 1:15 am?

Posted by: Baltimore11 | September 28, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I am having a lot of trouble with the double-standards I see coming from most liberal arguments here. It is suggested here that if parents are not doing their job to protect their children from guns in the house, then guns should be outlawed (never mind the fact that the gun in this instance was stolen, and thus not a legal firearm)

That same logic would dictate that we should outlaw Islam in this country since in rare occasions it causes people to kill others in their religion's name.

It IS about freedom, and the cost of freedom. We would not consider revoking Freedom of Religion in a misplaced attempt to protect our citizens from extremists. And we should not be talking about revoking our Freedom to Bear Arms and protect ourselves in a misplaced attempt to enforce better parenting.

Millions of people own guns legally and responsibly in this country. How is outlawing guns going to do anything else than ensure that only criminals have guns?

Do some research and find out how many crimes or accidents are caused by legally owned and stored firearms vs. illegally obtained firearms....

Posted by: catie-boy | September 28, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The Constitution giveth....

Posted by: mahassan_us | September 28, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Constitution giveth....

Posted by: mahassan_us | September 28, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

We have the right to bear arms...So that bla..blaa.

In the end we hardly know this right saved some lives.

The sure things are the countless horrors like this one...

Posted by: mahassan_us | September 28, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

towardslight you're comment is rather ignorant, and no, 2 year olds cannot own firearms genius. and davidmweiss and others here do indeed need a reality check. nutty agenda to allow people to carry firearms like the old west. I'm a "liberal" for the most part, I won't vote for OMalley because he's waaaaay too liberal for me, but I don't understand why those on the left act like those on the right when it comes to this issue and abandon all common sense and logic. Every time a state allows their citizens to carry firearms, you have 10000 david weiss's coming out telling everyone how the state is going to turn into the wild west all over again. IT NEVER HAPPENS, IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. The crime rate goes down or remains pretty much the same. I can't remember when VA started allowing citizens to carry concealed, but I heard all about how there were going to be shootouts everywhere. Hasn't happened, and I now it's been a good ten years. Yes, the NRA's nutty idea to allow citizens to protect themselves against violent predators. What do you do david? run? pray? hope? just kick the butts of the criminals? I agree with the "liberals" on most issues, but when it comes to the gun control, and the death penalty, they abandon all logic, and embrace blind ideology steeped in nonsense. And to the poster who said responsbile gun ownership is an oxymoron, take off the oxy, and that's you. Show me one valid statistic from a legitimate source that whows less than 90% of gun owners handle them responsibly. This is America, we don't punish the many for the idiocy of the few. I would love to see the the "logic" of these people applied across the board. next time a drunk driver hits and runs, confiscate every single privately owned car in the country. next time someone intentionally burns down anything, ban matches, lighters, cigarettes, grills, and anything that requires fire. If someone gets killed with a hammer, ban all hammers.

Posted by: red2million | September 28, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Aren't you glad our society loves guns?

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | September 28, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I happen to live outside Hagerstown and this took place in Hagerstown's equivalent of the projects.
Nothing surprises me in this story. As a rule, if there's a problem it takes place at these.
So this child being up at 1:15 am is no shocker nor is the 16 year old who apparently brought the weapon into the home nor is the scholarly decision to hide it in a playground by the girlfriend.

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | September 28, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Where were that child's parents?

Guns are too easy to get in this country; many aren't fit to own one.

Posted by: ceefer66 | September 28, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

cpantalieas guns serve many purposes, but mainly handguns are for protection. So there's no scenario that could ever occur in your life where a gun would serve a purpose? What a group of people surround you and tell you they're going to rob you, but they don't care if you cooperate or not, and they don't care if you're carrying ten thousand dollars, they're going to beat you until you die? Let's hear your plan. Run? pray? beg? What if you're cornered by a mentally ill person hearing voices who has a machete who intends to hack you to pieces? I guess you're so tough you'd just beat everyone up, huh? guns are for protection genius. there's another article in this paper today about a woman pleadng not guilty in a drunk driving case where one person was seriously injured, and one died. Why are you not calling for the ban of automobiles? people who think guns are evil are morons, plain and simple.

Posted by: red2million | September 28, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Number of accidental gun deaths in U.S. per year approximately 800.

Number of accidental bike deaths in the U.S. per year approximately 700.

Number of accidental motorcycle deaths per year in the U.S. approximately 5000.

I really don't see the need for motorcycles or bicycles. One can easily use a car or walk instead. It's obvious these two devices should also be banned along with guns.

Posted by: LivinginthePromisedLand | September 28, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

LivinginthePromisedLand,

You try to take my motorcycle and I will definitely blow your a$$ away.

:)

P.S. I'm very sorry about the child, but I have to agree with many other posters--we haven't heard half the facts yet.

Posted by: hisroc | September 28, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

@LivinginthePromisedLand- That is an incredibly stupid analogy. The hours spent on bicycles greatly accedes the hours spent with a firearm. The hours spent commuting on a motorcycle greatly accedes the hours spent with a firearm. Motorcycles and bicycles travel on public roads where they encounter hundreds, possibly thousands, of other travelers whose behaviors contribute to the number of fatalities. Instead of just looking at the number of accidental gun deaths, take a look at the number of homicides committed using guns, then look at the amount of unregistered guns that were used. When you're finished with that, try being snarky again. Or give up being snarky and just admit to yourself that you aren't smart enough.

Posted by: oo7 | September 28, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

@LivinginthePromisedLand- That is an incredibly stupid analogy. The hours spent on bicycles greatly accedes the hours spent with a firearm. The hours spent commuting on a motorcycle greatly accedes the hours spent with a firearm. Motorcycles and bicycles travel on public roads where they encounter hundreds, possibly thousands, of other travelers whose behaviors contribute to the number of fatalities. Instead of just looking at the number of accidental gun deaths, take a look at the number of homicides committed using guns, then look at the amount of unregistered guns that were used. When you're finished with that, try being snarky again. Or give up being snarky and just admit to yourself that you aren't smart enough.
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It's only a stupid analogy because you don't agree with it! By the way I think people spend way more time in their houses with their firearms than on motorcycles or bicycles. Not to mention that there are 200,000,000 firearms in privite hands in this country. That means roughly .0004% of firearms are involved in accidental deaths in this country every year. There are about 6.5 million motorcycles registered in this country. Which means approximately .08% of motorcycles are invoved in fatal accidents. You may not like it, but owning a motorcycle is inherently more dangerous than owning a gun. The numbers don't lie. This article is about an accidental gun death and how people like you like to use them as an excuse for banning guns. Well, as the numbers show, you can't. As to HOMICIDES commited with guns, that is another argument. The FACTS are that in cities with handgun bans, homicides rates have never dropped due to enaction of the law. In Great Britain, which has very strict gun laws, homicide rates were not affected by the gun ban. In Canada, which has a large amount of guns, the gun murder rate is much lower than here. The problem is societal. I can go on and on about this, but I'm sure you'll ignore me anyway without backing up your arguments with any facts. Let me sum up your argument--yer stupid! Well, I may not be the most intelligent person, but I have the facts on my side.

Posted by: LivinginthePromisedLand | September 28, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I took care of a kid that almost drowned in the tub.

Guess we should ban baths.

Posted by: docwhocuts | September 28, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

An acquaintance's sister's child walked into an empty pool, cracked his neck, and died. This story bespeaks a recrudescent horror all parents dread. Is not one of your worst fears killing a little one after a moment's inattention while driving? I'd rather be diagnosed with cancer than be the parent of this poor baby.

Posted by: Martial | September 28, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

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