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Posted at 6:37 AM ET, 07/20/2010

Red-light camera tickets to start in Va.

By Mike McPhate
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The grace period is over. Motorists caught cheating by Arlington’s new red-light cameras will start getting tickets beginning Wednesday at 12 a.m., officials say.

The cameras started snapping photos of signal violators on June 21, but officials said motorists would only get warnings for the first 30 days. They now face $50 fines.

The cameras are located at eastbound Lee Highway and North Lynn Street; southbound Fort Myer Drive and westbound Lee Highway; westbound Lee Highway at Washington Boulevard; and northbound Glebe Road at Fairfax Drive.

Earlier: Arlington to install red-light cameras

-- Mike McPhate

By Mike McPhate  | July 20, 2010; 6:37 AM ET
Categories:  Traffic and Transportation, Virginia  
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Comments

Just stay off Lee Highway.

Posted by: gary4books | July 20, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Everyone knows the "safety" line is a farce. It's all b/c Arlington needs a serious infusion of cash.

Posted by: ms1234 | July 20, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

This is so unconstitutional. These local governments should really face reality: the system has been undermined.

Posted by: FiatBooks | July 20, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Exactly ms1234, Whenever these devices go up, its about money. And they prove it by only collecting fines. If it was about safety, motorists would have to go thru the same process as receiving a ticket via a cop, which can be a fine, points, and/or possibly suspended license.

Posted by: NursRob | July 20, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Its a tax.

Posted by: 123cartoon | July 20, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't like it either. But how is it unconstitutional?

Posted by: thump41 | July 20, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

fiat probably thinks its unconstitutional because of an invasion of privacy issue. Red-light cameras are annoying but the speed cameras that are in some neighborhoods in Montgomery Co are more of an abomination. What's after that, speed cameras on highways? And after that--Why even make a car that goes over 65mph?

Posted by: bowie2000 | July 20, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I prefer to see it this way: Red light cameras are a stupidity tax on people who run red lights. If you don't want to pay the tax, don't run red lights.

Posted by: GP04 | July 20, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Explain the unconstitutional complaint because I cannot see that argument as being anything close to valid. I'm all for it. People that run lights are just ticked that they can get caught- they broke the law and now they're caught. Tough.

Posted by: novahokie2004 | July 20, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse


So long as the yellow light is sufficiently long to be fair warning that it's about to turn red, then I'm all for red light cameras.

Interested Arlington residents should contact the city government to demand to know what the city policy is on length of yellow lights and whether that will be changed. That is the tip-off on whether these red light cameras are for safety or revenue.

Posted by: Gidgmom | July 20, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

What the F is wrong with these cameras. All of you who hide behind the 'unconstitutional' aspects of it need to F off. Don't speed and you don't get a tickets. Yes they are being used to catch up on budgets problems but same solution and I would vote for all of the elected officials who voted to in-act this system. If you don’t speed and you don’t have to pay the tickets. Same f'ing problems with the HOV violators. You see the signs, and YOU choose to drive in that lane and get caught. Half of the time you swerve into the adjacent lane to escape from the highway patrol and nearly crash into an innocent bystander. Are you the same group of people who sit and tolerate the stories of the youth of America wrecking havoc of their towns and cities and just give them a slap of the wrist because they are under the legal age (that was established by our forefathers & should be amended to the type of crime).

Posted by: cubs-n-colts-n-07 | July 20, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

What kills me with all these "unconstitutional" comments is everyone thinks its a game and the government is somehow cheating.

Well, a couple weeks ago I tried to cross Route 7; the light turns red, I start to walk, a car blithely blows through the red light and passes behind me, it was so late.

Why do people think they're entitled to break the law, or more directly, advantage themselves at some physical risk to others regardless how slight?

Life is simple, leave for work five minutes earlier and...stop...at...red lights.

Posted by: jhtlag1 | July 20, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't break the law. You won't get a ticket. I would rather the county, state and Feds make money on lawbreakers than to keep raising my taxes.

In the past, I got a ticket for speeding. I WAS speeding. I deserved a ticket ... I now pay more attention to driving.

Quit texting, eating, drinking, talking on the phone, reading, putting on make-up and PAY ATTENTION! The life you save could be your kid's .. or mine. If you want to run yourself into a telephone pole or concrete barrier, feel free. The rest of us don't need YOUR breaking the law to put us at risk.
Why do all you people who rant about "unfairness" and "unconstitional" think they should NOT follow the law??? Soooo entitled people.

Posted by: FutureTense | July 20, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ms1234
"Everyone knows the "safety" line is a farce. It's all b/c Arlington needs a serious infusion of cash."

Just like everyone knows that this line of reasoning is because people feel they should be entitled to run red lights, thereby placing others in danger, without getting a ticket.


Posted by: ahashburn | July 20, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing just how visionary George Orwell was. Big Brother is watching you. Privacy and the freedom to go about your life without being watched by the government is now a quaint reference to times gone by.

Posted by: mjoy | July 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"Just like everyone knows that this line of reasoning is because people feel they should be entitled to run red lights, thereby placing others in danger, without getting a ticket."
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sounds like people who react to government wiretaps by saying "you shouldn't be afraid if you don't have anything to hide." We've already got our national healthcare, now we're moving toward a surveillance nation like Great Britain. We should just apply to the European Union now and get it over with. Long live Statism!

Posted by: Please_Fix_VAs_Roads | July 20, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Another money grab by corrupt county officials. I'm so glad I moved OUT of Arlington!

Posted by: BushMustGo | July 20, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Just like everyone knows that this line of reasoning is because people feel they should be entitled to run red lights, thereby placing others in danger, without getting a ticket."
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sounds like people who react to government wiretaps by saying "you shouldn't be afraid if you don't have anything to hide." We've already got our national healthcare, now we're moving toward a surveillance nation like Great Britain. We should just apply to the European Union now and get it over with. Long live Statism!
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Oh, right, we'll go from red light tickets to the totalitarian state, in less than fifty seconds.

Weren't you in an episode of Fawlty Towers the other day?

Posted by: 44fx290 | July 20, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Soaking taxpayers is The Arlington Way!

Posted by: ShovelPlease | July 20, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The problem as I see it is that some jurisdictions shorten the length of the yellow when they put up a camera. This makes it practically impossible to stop in time if you are traveling the speed limit. From a reality standpoint, they can eliminate the yellow all together and thus guarantee everyone will be a lawbreaker. Or, they can lengthen it, and thus only catch the very few blatant red light runners. But, what they do, is pick a time in between that both maximizes revenue (e.g., b/c many have slow reflexes) and not too blatantly a pure money grab.

Posted by: Cznzy | July 20, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Loan your car to someone who runs a red light and see who gets the ticket. For that reason alone they should be illegal since they are targeting the tag. It's just a revenue generator. But yes folks shouldn't run red lights either.

Posted by: FLvet | July 20, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh joy, people stomping on the brakes whenever they see a yellow light. I wonder if anybody has done a study on whether the frequency of rear end collisions at intersections increases after red light cameras are introduced.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | July 20, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The problem with these and the speed cameras are that they ticket the OWNER of the car, not the driver. I'm all for speeders and red light runners getting tickets, but against automated devices sending you tix by mail. Let's not forget that Moco had to throw out a bunch of speed tix because the machine wasn't calibrated correctly. I wonder if the manufacturer or contractor operating this equipment gets a cut of each fine assessed. Worth looking into.

Posted by: matt_s | July 20, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Just like everyone knows that this line of reasoning is because people feel they should be entitled to run red lights, thereby placing others in danger, without getting a ticket."
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sounds like people who react to government wiretaps by saying "you shouldn't be afraid if you don't have anything to hide." We've already got our national healthcare, now we're moving toward a surveillance nation like Great Britain. We should just apply to the European Union now and get it over with. Long live Statism!
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Oh, right, we'll go from red light tickets to the totalitarian state, in less than fifty seconds.

Weren't you in an episode of Fawlty Towers the other day?
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Haha, enjoyed the Fawlty Towers reference- funny show. But seriously, doesn't it make you the least bit nervous that the government keeps finding new and inventive ways to spy on us? The PATRIOT Act allows the government to snoop into your library card file and see if you've been reading any books on terrorism or jihad. That doesn't bother you? What about facial recognition technology? No-fly lists with false positives? And let's leave aside the fact that red light cameras have unintended consequences, such as increasing rear-end collisions due to people slamming on their brakes to avoid a ticket. Keep in mind, BTW, that totalitarianism NEVER arises overnight. Like the frog in the pot analogy, it takes over slowly, and by the time people realize it's there, it's too late.

Posted by: linguist64 | July 20, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Those who complain about privacy issues probably have their lives fully detailed on Facebook.

Posted by: LostInsideTheBeltway | July 20, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I support the Fairfax & Glebe camera. This intersection gets blocked every rush hour with people that get stuck in the middle of the intersection by the backup getting onto 66.

Now people will get a well deserved fine when they don't look ahead and block 3 lanes of traffic on Glebe.

Posted by: JohnDecaf | July 20, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I gotta tell you though, I was walking around Arlington yesterday, and thought it would be nice to give everyone a ticket. Too fast, too slow, driving goofy, all of it...

Posted by: 123cartoon | July 20, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

While I agree with some of you that if you don't want to get a ticket, don't run reds, don't speed, don't etc., I think the real problem is that this area is just has too much traffic. When it continually takes 10-20 minutes to go maybe 1 or 2 miles it is VERY annoying and a continual stressor which adds up over time.

Posted by: gonhkn | July 20, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad the cameras are going up. I just hope that a 50$ fine is steep enough to get people's attention and make them want to change their dangerous driving habits.

Posted by: ChicaInTheDMV | July 20, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The cameras are actually very effective. This is a smart tool used to help people be aware of the roads, and to eliminate the amount of accidents happening.

Posted by: arlingtonchic56 | July 20, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't speed or run red lights and you have nothing to fear

I don't get it, why are people so angry? Is it because those caught are losers who can't accept responsibility for their actions? Typical

Posted by: Bious | July 20, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

good! some people only learn to follow rules through fines and punnishments. If people insist on challenging the system then they deserve to be fined!

Posted by: booklover33 | July 20, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Just the fact the location of the systems is mentioned in this blog will change drivers habits.

Slow down and obey the law!

Posted by: gordon514 | July 20, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

God I hope this slows people down! Lee Highway can be such a speedway and hope this helps.

Posted by: wilson78 | July 20, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Come on, just don't speed. There are some ridiculous people out there they need this sort of thing to slow them down.

Posted by: YoDave | July 20, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Here's to hoping that people obey the law and don't run lights...but if you do- SMILE!

Posted by: Jooners1 | July 20, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Bring it on! If you don't speed, run red lights or generally act like a reckless jerk on our streets then what do you have to fear from enforcement of our traffic laws, either by camera or from a street cop? Seriously, you don't hear non-smokers complain about cigarette taxes so why should we believe these whiners are anything but reckless drivers who don't want to get caught?

Posted by: estuartj | July 20, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope this really works. From what I have seen from stories online I think the cameras will make a big difference.

Posted by: VAgold | July 20, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see them coming! There are way to many people out there in a rush and not paying attention to the roads. Red light cameras should be at every intersection!

Posted by: dq1153 | July 21, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Please slow down on yellow and stop on red. You will save yourself some money and might save a life. I hope these cameras keep drivers aware of their responsibilty and what dangerous consequences could happen from ignoring the law.

Posted by: beatduke10 | July 21, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Please slow down on yellow and stop on red. You will save yourself some money and might save a life. I hope these cameras keep drivers aware of their responsibilty and what dangerous consequences could happen from ignoring the law.

Posted by: beatduke10 | July 21, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Please slow down on yellow and stop on red. You will save yourself some money and might save a life. I hope these cameras keep drivers aware of their responsibilty and what dangerous consequences could happen from ignoring the law.

Posted by: beatduke10 | July 21, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

I also heard a segment about this on WTOP radio. The report said that the cameras were going to go in intersections based on accident potential and number of pedestrians. I was recently a pedestrian at an intersection and had the green walk signal to cross. As I stepped into the crosswalk, I had to jump back onto the curb twice to avoid being hit by vehicles turning right without stopping. I think these cameras are pro-safety and a good idea.

Posted by: RobertM468 | July 22, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

seriously easy to not get a ticket when 1)there is a grace period to dial up your memory on how to drive safely and properly 2) you know where the cameras are located.
improve your driving behavior and you won't have a problem.

Posted by: YumYum1 | July 22, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

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