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In-between games, the Yankees

Kind of a lull here before play begins again on Thursday in Phoenix. But I thought I'd share a couple things with you.

Are you a Yankees fan? Do you hate the Yankees? Either way, you have to listen to this, which is basically Suzyn Waldman being talked off a ledge by John Sterling on the Yankees postgame. It's remarkable stuff. I mean, there's no crying in baseball.

Mull that baby over. Sterling saying, at one point, "It's the end of an era."

There could be, of course, a monumental overhaul in the Bronx this winter. Sheinin was out at Yankee Stadium again today, picking over the carcass. Will Pettitte be back? Will A-Rod? Will Clemens? Will Posada? And, of course, will Torre?

Moving on: Anyone catch the game times for the NLCS? Let's roll those babies out (all times eastern):

Thurs., Oct. 11, Game 1: 8:30 p.m. in Phoenix
Fri., Oct. 12, Game 2: 10:15 p.m. in Phoenix

Sun., Oct. 14, Game 3: 8:30 p.m. in Denver
Mon., Oct. 15, Game 4: 10:15 p.m. in Denver
Wed., Oct. 17, Game 5*: 8:30 p.m. in Denver

Fri., Oct. 19, Game 6*: 8:30 p.m. in Phoenix
Sat., Oct. 20, Game 7*: TBD

Are you kidding me? I mean, I understand the Rockies-Diamondbacks isn't exactly the matchup TV execs dream of? But do you want to completely put this baby out of anyone's conscience?

1. Few people will stay up to watch those 10 p.m. starts.
2. They will make almost no newspapers, leaving the bulk of coverage on-line.
3. Kids? Please. Goodbye, generation who might otherwise fall in love with ... oh, I don't know, Troy Tulowitzki or Justin Upton or Matt Holliday or Brandon Webb or Garrett Atkins or Chris Young. We'll wake you when it's over.

Sorry. Not liking those game times, in case you didn't notice.

Some brief Nats items:

Coaches: My understanding is the announcements are being held up because they're sending out contracts and getting them signed. I believe that everyone will be back, and they'll be back in their same positions. The announcement just hasn't come through.

Arizona Fall League: Play starts today, and you can find some coverage here. The team you're interested in is the Peoria Javelinas. I'm going to check in with the Nationals' boys when I'm in Phoenix, and that group includes some familiar faces (Justin Maxwell) and some we need to get to know better (Garrett Mock, Adam Carr, etc.). I'll write a story for the $.35 edition, but I'll also try to do short profiles of each of the Nats guys on the Journal. Not sure of a schedule, as I'm not yet sure when I'll be able to get out there.

That's it from here for now. I'll be in Phoenix tomorrow and get you some real live news on the postseason. But seriously, as baseball fans, do those game times upset you, or do you not care?

By Barry Svrluga  |  October 9, 2007; 3:22 PM ET
 
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8:30 is the early game?! I mean I understood it for the LDS, when they were cramming games in all day, but why in the name of all that is holy do they need to run games this late. I'll stay up to watch, but who knows if I'll make it through the whole series.

Posted by: Nats444 | October 9, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Gotta make sure Friends re-runs and Frank TV do well.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 9, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

the game times are great for me... but then, I am out on one end... the opposite end... of the continent. I can actually get home in time for most of the starts after work.

As for the Yankees... I thought I put it rather succintly in the last thread.

They're my third favorite team... The Nats are first, the entire rest of the American and National Leagues are tied for second, and then the Yankees.

Posted by: Wigi | October 9, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

so... LDS stands for "late division series?"

i guess they figured nobody cared about arizona and colorado anyway, so why not run them at 10:00...

Posted by: other 506 | October 9, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link to MLB's winter league coverage. I note that the Arizona League page also has links to the Caribbean leagues. Is there any single listing of where various other Nats are going to be playing this winter?

Posted by: Bratislava, Slovakia | October 9, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Those start times are ridiculous. Since the LCS are being broadcast by different networks, I'm surprised that TBS is getting the shaft here, even given the time zone differences. One would have thought the powers-that-be would have tried to make it a bit more equitable, especially after TBS got killed on the NL matchup in the first place.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | October 9, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Considering Arizona hasn't even sold out of seats for game 1 or 2 yet, maybe they hesitated to make them day or afternoon games. Is the ALCS schedule out yet? I'm assuming the Sox/Indians are playing prior to those 10:15 starts. I mean it really only sucks for us on ET. Though, yes, doing the early game at 4 or so would be ideal to draw an after-school crowd. Though Friday isn't a school night...

Posted by: Mick | October 9, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

10:15 is 7:00 (arizona) and 8:00 (denver).

I don't have a problem with starting times are reasonable for the fans of the teams actually involved.

Not, of course, that the fans, local or otherwise, have anything to do with the way that MLB chooses to schedule things -- if there were a profit-maximizing reason to start the games at 3:00AM, TBS would order it done in a heartbeat, and MLB would say "yes sir mr. network sir!".

Posted by: joebleux | October 9, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Barry I heard Suzyn Waldman live with my youngest daughter and was frankly quite moved. I guess your reeaction to this is proof that 1) I am not cynical enough to be a journalist; 2) Suzyn, John Sterling, and their ilk who travel on the team plane are not simple journalists, but part of the family. 3) You, as a journalist, are not supposed to care. They are, and Suzyn does.

Here is my post from the previous thread: Boz captured the gravity of this game perfectly in his column this morning.Even Yankee-haters like me could not listen unmoved as Suzyn Waldman, in tears herself, described the tears of the assistant coaches as Joe Torre said good-bye to his team. Mr. Steinbrenner has provided excellence for his city of 9 million people, who have been able to count on their baseball team to lift their spirits. That's a lot of spirits to lift, and you have to give credit to the entire organization for the class it brings to baseball. And New York and Boston may be the only baseball towns left in America. My three daughters were particularly amazed to learn that the Yankees have a female broadcaster who offered such intelligent and soul-wrenching commentary on the end of an era.

Posted by: flynnie | October 9, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind the emotion-choked voice, but for god's sake can someone please get that woman a Kleenex?! The sniffling was unbearable to listen to.

As for the late times, maybe they've written off hope that anyone in the East will even watch so they're maximizing the number of people in the Pacific time zone who will tune in by airing it at prime time for the West? It is definitely a drag for me though-- I'm more interested in the Rockies/Dbacks series than the Red Sox/Indians (must be my West Coast bias). But at least one of the late nights is not a school/work night.

So, Barry... how goes the couch surfing? :)

Posted by: JennX | October 9, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

And Barry:

"Sheinin was out at Yankee Stadium again today, picking over the carcass."

Are your Red Sox loyalties peeking out a bit here?

Posted by: Mick | October 9, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Great for me: that's 5:30 pm and 7:15 pm for the west coast and Arizona.

When should they start games involving western teams? 3:30? We'll be at work then.

Posted by: Patty | October 9, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Couple of things on the game times:

They're certainly suitable for the people in those areas who follow those teams. The kids out west won't have any trouble staying up.

Being a broadcast network, Fox expects to have games in east-coast primetime (8:00). TBS (and ESPN in past years) have to work around that. I thought TBS did a good job with the LDS times, accommodating both east- and west-coast viewers. Unless you start overlapping games, which MLB doesn't seem to want to do, there isn't an ideal solution.

And, a 10pm ET game on a Friday night isn't unreasonable (unless you work for a newspaper). Monday isn't so good though.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 9, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Ten o'clock ET start times are ridiculous, it being the WORLD Series and all (a misnomer anyway, to be sure, but still). Eight or 8:30 would be far better for the majority of viewers, who live in the Eastern and Central time zones.

That said, I do appreciate the sensitivity to the local fans. Not everybody can duck out early from the day job (although they seemed to manage it OK in Philly for two 3:15 games).

Posted by: Hendo | October 9, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The start times are fine for me. I'm a night owl/accused vampire anyway so it gives me something of relevance to watch on the treadmill (yeah right!).

My thoughts on the Yankees carried over from the previous thread:

Good analysis of the duality of the situation. I too am a Yankee hater. Through and through. The Moose was dead to me as soon as he put the pinstripes on. I was thinking along the same lines as you and could only come up with the following as a reason to be more happy than concerned:

If they're truly going to rebuild through the farm system and a youth movement rather than by using the rest of the major leagues as their own personal farm system, then they have to go through the "rebuilding period". I for one would relish every moment during that time with NYY languishing at the bottom of the AL East standings and take personal satisfaction with every red, yellow, sky blue, or pink Yankee hat, jacket, or tee shirt on display at the local consignment shop as the bandwagoneers jump of the NYY express and onto other Flavors of the Month.

That to me is worth it... no matter the cost in terms of future World Series Championships.

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I am kinda torn... On the one hand... is there anything more sweet than a Yankees loss? Or losing three of four? In some respects, it is better than getting swept, because the one win gives them a little hope, that the Indians dashed last night. I don't feel bad for the Yankees, or Torre... or anyone in the organization.

On the other hand... do we really want an event so devastating that they decide to do things differently? What if they accidentally stumble upon a winning formula not based on obscene largesse? Then, Yankee-haters like me might have to grudgingly admit some admiration for them.

Posted by: Wigi | October 9, 2007 02:08 PM

Posted by: MKevin | October 9, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Which acquisitons from the free-agent Yankees would best avoid 100 losses in the new park?

1) Jorge Posada - lots of pop, and might like playing for Manny, especially if the Yankees are firing Joe Torre.

2) Mariano Rivera - The Boz says that if you're going to sign a free-agent pitcher, sign a hall-of-famer.

Posted by: flynnie | October 9, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

From John Feinstien's column:

"So, firing Torre after 12 straight playoff appearances, four World Series titles and six pennants, wouldn't be at all surprising. You can talk all you want about how high the Yankee payroll is but consider that the teams with the highest payroll in football, basketball and hockey are the Washington Redskins, the New York Knicks and the New York Rangers. The Knicks last won a title in 1973; the Redskins in 1991 and the Rangers in 1994, which now gives them one championship in the last 67 years."

Posted by: flynnie | October 9, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The anonymous poster before me points out: "Being a broadcast network, Fox expects to have games in east-coast primetime (8:00). TBS (and ESPN in past years) have to work around that."

What law says they had to draft a contract that makes each network stick with one league throughout LCS play? I suppose that's easiest on the broadcasters, and provides for continuity, but it's still kind of tough on NL fans east of El Paso.

Let's just hope they're a little smarter about the WS (no more 8:30 starts, please!)

Posted by: Hendo | October 9, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

And for those of us who love the game on radio, like the blind people in the area, how despicable is it that Radio Free Danny has hijacked ESPN radio, and it goes off the air at night! Today, Triple x was leading off with "news" that Greg Williams did not order any blitzes because of the "mighty Lion passing attack." I'm not kidding! This was their LEAD LOCAL SPORTS NEWS! Maybe it IS stupefying that The Redskins, or anyone, consider the Lions to be "mighty." What if they just blacked out all ESPN radio programming except for the Redskin slurp hour at lunch and the hours of Monday post-game "analysis"? Why not? Blind baseball fans? Anyone who wants to listen to the playoffs at night? Sorry! Very truly yours, Daniel Snyder, Owner, Local ESPN Franchise a/k/a Triple Blackout Radio.

Posted by: flynnie | October 9, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Those start times seem perfectly reasonable for their home fans, who they should absolutely be catering to. Seems fair.

Posted by: G-town | October 9, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Jennx, ixnay on the eenexklay. I had an allergy attack on live T.V. and pulled out my kleenex, ignoring the frantic waving of the producers and cameramen. It sounded like Mt. St. Helen's going off. Quiet sniffling is the best we humans can do on the air.

Posted by: flynnie | October 9, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

With this schedule (and the matchup), the NLCS will set all-time low ratings records. There's nothing that prohibits LCS day games, and this schedule is just hideous. Start times of LCS games are not--and never have been--picked to cater to home-town fans.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | October 9, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Hendo. As someone who doesn't have cable (hey, I'm old school --what can I say?), I'd love to see some of the NL games on network tv, rather than AL games only.

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What law says they had to draft a contract that makes each network stick with one league throughout LCS play? I suppose that's easiest on the broadcasters, and provides for continuity, but it's still kind of tough on NL fans east of El Paso.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 9, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not enamored of the late broadcast times (i.e. 10 p.m.), although I can also see the local fans' point of view.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 9, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

On May 16, 2007, Major League Baseball's owners approved the sale of the Braves from Time Warner to Liberty Media. The deal includes the exchange of the Braves, and $1 billion cash, for the large block of Time Warner stock held by Liberty Media. Does this mean that The Braves are stuck with an $80 million ceiling and corporate cpa's tuning them into a small market team? Stan Kasten says that this is what drove him to leave. Who else might be ready to join the Nats? John Schuerholz?

Posted by: flynnie | October 9, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Hendo -- how else would you divide it, except by league? Fox apparently didn't want to do both LCS anymore. They get the ALCS this year and the NLCS next year. I thought having all the LDS on one station this year (TBS) was better than what they used to do, where Fox cherry-picked the Yankees games and ESPN/ESPN2 did afternoon and late-night games, with different sets of announcers depending on travel schedules. I liked having games starting at 3 and 6:30 instead of 1 and 4.

Posted by: Cosmo | October 9, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"3. Kids? Please. Goodbye, generation who might otherwise fall in love with ... oh, I don't know, Troy Tulowitzki or Justin Upton or Matt Holliday or Brandon Webb or Garrett Atkins or Chris Young. We'll wake you when it's over."

I know that, personally, the ALDS made me fall in love with Grady Sizemore, so good point. I refuse to be ashamed. Is this the point where we start hating Omar Minaya again for trading everyone? If wishes were horses, then Sizemore would look GREAT starting in centerfield for the Nationals next season.

Posted by: Atlanta | October 9, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get this "Yankees Haters" stuff. This is the most storied franchise in baseball history. This MUST be taken into consideration. If you don't respect the Yankees and all their accomplishments, how can you call yourself a baseball fan?

Without the Yankees, who knows if the game would've survived the strike? Sure, Cal Ripkin drew a lot of interest because of "the streak," and McGwire and Sosa because of the home run chase... but why were these pursuits so important to so many? Because of the team that had OWNED those records.

Even non-baseball fans know who the Babe, Lou Gerhig, Joltin' Joe, Mickey Mantle, Yogi Berra, Mr. October and Derek Jeter played for; you'd have to give them major hints for pretty much any non-Yankee in the Hall of Fame, with the possible exceptions of Ted Williams, Willie Mays and Cal.

It's great that you love your team... but jeez, it's not the end of the world if they get beaten by the Yankees during the regular season, or if they don't get to the post season but the Yankees DO. Recent history pretty much demonstrates that ANY team, including yours, has just as much chance to go all the way - possibly at the Yankees' expense.

A little more respect, please, for a team that pretty much DEFINES baseball for America... and the world.

Thank you.

Posted by: MikeH0714 | October 9, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

MikeH0714: hard to work up a good hatred for a team that spends $189 million to finish tied for fifth in its sport.

Come back again when you've won something recently (like, oh, say, Boston) and we'll see if we can work up at least a mild dislike for ya.

Posted by: joebleux | October 9, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

How MLB is such a successful business despite the idiots it has running it is a tribute to how great a game baseball is. For as long as I can remember, they've been playing LCS games on weekday afternoons when there were two games scheduled on one day--whether those games happened to be on the West Coast or East Coast. Sure, most people are at work, but who doesn't love afternoon baseball? Plus, it was usually only one each per series, so it wasn't really that inconvenient for fans. Why they've decided to instead go with the alleged romanticism of midnight baseball for those on the East Coast is beyond me. They have two teams that they really need to build interest in so that people will be interested in the World Series--and they basically hide them. Makes a lot of sense

Posted by: The Fingerman | October 9, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"If you don't respect the Yankees and all their accomplishments, how can you call yourself a baseball fan?"

Respecting the history of baseball, ALL baseball, does not require the love, admiration or respect for any single team. Part of being a sports fan, part of living in a free society, is the right to root for, root against, love, hate any team for any reason. I can love the game, I can appreciate it's history, I can root for whom I choose with or without an appreciation for the modern incarnation of any one team, including the Yankees no matter what you or any media market tells me I have to.

BTW, part of wearing the moniker of "the most popular team in baseball" means that its twin title of "the most hated team in baseball" goes right along with it. Believe me, the Yankees themselves know this better than anyone, in fact they count on it. It's the "Howard Stern" theory. You either watch because you want them to win, or you watch because you want them to lose. Either way you're watching.

Posted by: MKevin | October 9, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

It's like you read my mind, MKevin and joebleux.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 9, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

How can I hate the Yankees, after all they've done for the sport? Simple. Two words: George Steinbrenner. The only other obnoxious owner close to being in his league is Angelos. Hell, they might actually be tied for worst, now that I think of it. Break up the Orioles! Oh wait, it's already been done...

Posted by: Section 419 | October 9, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm less upset about the game times than I am about the stations that they're being shown on. I can understand starting games in the West on a Western time schedule, but man, how about putting one or two on FOX? The whole NLCS is on TBS, with the entire ALCS on FOX. Way to prioritize, huh? I guess the thinking is that if neither team in your series is either the Red Sox or the Yankees then nobody will watch.

And yes, this does make me bitter because I don't have cable. So sue me.

Posted by: Del Ray Nats Fan | October 9, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Sure, but it's lunchtime in Japan.

I guess that's the Left Coast saying "We don't care how they do it in New York."

Posted by: cevansjr | October 9, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Laughing here, flynnie
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Oh, Jennx, ixnay on the eenexklay. I had an allergy attack on live T.V. and pulled out my kleenex, ignoring the frantic waving of the producers and cameramen. It sounded like Mt. St. Helen's going off. Quiet sniffling is the best we humans can do on the air.

Posted by: flynnie | October 9, 2007 04:56 PM

Posted by: cevans | October 9, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I dunno; I tried, but I find that completely un-listenable.
It's a GAME. Get a grip.

Not to men-

tion John STER-

ling puts
me

to ...


sleep.

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Are you a Yankees fan? Do you hate the Yankees? Either way, you have to listen to this, which is basically Suzyn Waldman being talked off a ledge by John Sterling on the Yankees postgame. It's remarkable stuff. I mean, there's no crying in baseball. Mull that baby over. Sterling saying, at one point, "It's the end of an era."

Posted by: cevans | October 9, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

10:15?! Ugh. I'll stay up for Friday's, but probably not Monday's - at least not all of it. Well, then again, I probably will, but I won't be happy about it! I don't mind 8:30. I can get the kids to bed (who don't give a hoot) without pausing an inning or so and then catching up.

Heard Suzyn Waldman this morning. Hysterical! There's no crying in baseball! Although, it doesn't surprise me after hearing her announcing Clemens was a Yankee. I think that was even worse.

http://www.wcbs880.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=695991

Posted by: misschatter | October 9, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Hmm... that doesn't seem to be the whole screaming thing.

Posted by: misschatter | October 9, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

"...there's no crying in baseball."

What a gem that comes from one of the best and most under appreciated movies on the sport (if you take out the horrifically awkward sing-along-bus-ride scene). This prophetic statement can and should be applied to all sports universally. It's an important lesson to impart on any child you share the love of sport with.

I was raised in a family where being a Redskin fan was as involuntary as breathing. I remember vividly a Monday night football game as a child. I went to sleep after the first half as was dictated by my parents anytime the Skins were on Monday night. When I shut my eyes, the Redskins held a decent lead over the Cowboys. I awoke expecting to read all about their victory in the morning paper only to find out they had lost. The tears that followed were involuntary as well.

My mother, herself a Redskin fan raised by my grandfather, looked me in the eye and said this: "You'll have plenty of things in your life worth shedding tears over. The outcome of a game should never be one of them."

It changed my perspective on sports and redefined their place in the hierarchy of my life. That was redefined again slightly after reading the stories of the loss felt by the relocation of the Senators and Expos in Barry's book, but those stories were truly life altering circumstances. The outcome of any one game or any one season is not worth the tears when next season is only a few short months away.

Posted by: MKevin | October 9, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Agree with you about the times for the NL games completely Barry. I'm a pure NL guy. I have a full time job, so I got to watch virtually nothing of either NLDS series -- couldn't take off two afternoons mid week to watch the Phillies, and need to be somewhat lucid while there so I couldn't stay up past 1 am to watch those loveable Cubbies lose again (a real shame, I would have loved to see Soriano walking off the field with his $138 million tail between his legs.) Now they're essentially putting the NL on the backburner again. As a east coast full seaston ticket holder to a National League team, I think I'm getting shafted. Why couldn't they play both the AL and NL at the same time?

Thanks also for the Nats news, been going through withdrawl pangs since Sep. 30. Hearing ARod call a team with a $200 million payroll "courageous" after getting beaten isn't exactly my idea of a satsifying baseball experience. Thank God we have our Nats!

Posted by: Ray | October 9, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Its pure money right? Play the games in primetime for their respective areas. Seems logical. They're gonna play the ALCS games at 730pm our time, right? Are the west coasters gonna be complaining about the games starting at 430pm and how the AL is being shunned, etc? I think we need to remember that these TV stations are trying to make money, not do what is ideologically good for the game. Primetime coverage for each region sounds like a moneymaker to me.

Posted by: G-town | October 9, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line: I don't think any game, in any sport, at any level, in any time zone, for any reason, should start after 9:00pm eastern, and even that's pushing it. Really, it should be 8:00 or 8:30.

This is coming from someone who grew up in the midwest, and lived in California for about 5 years.

Posted by: Matt | October 9, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Javelinas tip.
I see that Matt Tuiasosopo (son of Manu) is the 3b on that team. If he makes it (and he is apparently highly rated), I wonder if he'd be the first MLB player of Samo'an ancestry?

Posted by: cevansjr | October 9, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Barry, during the downtime for the playoffs, can you check with the Nationals on the status of the seat relocations for the new ballpark? WTOP is reporting that they'll be sending something out the 2nd week of November.

Posted by: Nats Fan | October 9, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

After seeing old-school curmudgeon Frank Robinson's news conference after pulling Matt LeCroy in the middle of an at bat, I found it impossible to believe there's no crying in baseball. While there may not be *much* crying in baseball, I can't think of Frank Robinson and say that there is *no* crying in baseball.

As far as the Yankees clubhouse report, as a fan, sure, I'll agree that a losing athletic team hardly rises to the level of a natural disaster or even a personal tragedy. But as far as the coaches and players reactions, I don't think it's surprising that the players and coaches were upset after last night's elimination. Torre has every reason to believe that Steinbrenner will fire him, which has implications down the organization. Result: the players and coaches were saying goodbyes to team mates and friends. For them, it *is* a life altering circumstance. They're not robots, so sadness and grief are understandable.

Posted by: Sect. 422 | October 10, 2007 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Love them, hate them, or affect indifference, there are many things the Yankees have done right over the years. Actively promoting Suzyn Waldman's career as a female sports broadcaster is one. From the early days (late 80s) when WFAN tried to replace her with a male Yankees beat reporter, completely supporting her through breast cancer, cooperating with her efforts to overcome old feuds (i.e., reconciling Yogi with the team) and supporting her for the color chair in the radio booth.

Posted by: natsagain | October 10, 2007 2:44 AM | Report abuse

cevansjr, he is preceded by Tony Solaita, who played for the Expos among other teams.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Solaita

I was thinking that the Hawaii Islanders (who became the Colorado Springs Sky Sox) might have had a Samo'an player, but I was mistaken about that.

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I see that Matt Tuiasosopo (son of Manu) is the 3b on that team. If he makes it (and he is apparently highly rated), I wonder if he'd be the first MLB player of Samo'an ancestry?

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Just realized that the Islanders would not have been pertinent to cevansjr's question, anyway, as he'd asked about MLB teams in particular. My a.m. caffeine takes a while to kick in...

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Here's a thought:

A lot of people keep saying "How can you fire a manager who takes his team to the playoffs for 12 straight years?"

I think that's BS. The Yankees are a unique situation in that Steinbrenner and Cashman (or whoever at the time) are the ones who get the team into the playoffs every year by having the highest payroll in the league. That's not Torre's doing. Torre's job is to win the World Series, and it's assumed that they'll be in the playoffs. If they DIDN'T make the playoffs every year, it would be a colossal failure by everyone involved.

If you want to make the arguement that you can't fire Torre because he won 3 (4?) World Series' and played in 6(?) over the last 12 years, then fine, but the fact that they made the playoffs for 12 straight years is, IMO, irrelevant.

Posted by: Matt | October 10, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Yehbutsee:

It is a game, and no game is worth crying over, etc., etc. But then, there are the wins.

I was there (1957?) when Father Hesburgh came out on the front steps of the Administration building on Saturday night after the Irish had defeated Oklahoma (in Oklahoma), ending the longest winning streak in college football history, and declared there would be no classes on Monday. You had to be there.

Some things in sports are worth the emotional input.

Posted by: JohnR (VA) | October 10, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

it doesn't matter when the games are scheduled, someone somewhere is going to be ticked off.

Have an afternoon game? Full-time workers will be ticked because they can't take the day off.

Have a 10:15ET start? East-coasters will be ticked because they have to go to sleep.

Have both games start at 8:30? People will have to choose one over the other or try and toggle back and forth from one game to the other. Either way, someone's ticked off for this inconveniece (BTW, a couple of years back this is how MLB did the LCS when both the ALCS and the NLCS had games on the same day. FOX had one "local" game and FX had the other, unless your cable or satellite provider blacked out the FX feed because you were already getting one of the games on FOX -- this happened on DirecTV each time there were two games on at the same time and it took multiple calls before they figured it out).

So, MLB is damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

As for Suzyn Waldman ... get a grip! Was it emotional in the locker room? Most definitely, but by all means she should not let her emotions come out over the airwaves. I don't think Harry Kallas or Ron Santo were sniffling like an infant when the Phillies and Cubs were eliminated.

Posted by: e | October 10, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Rolling it back a bit, why hate the Yankees? For me it comes down to two things.

The first is exactly what you said: they're what the nation and the world think of when they think of baseball. People think of baseball and they think of people payed obscene amounts of money to play a game. They think of people who, after being payed obscene amounts of money, insist on being payed even more obscene amounts of money. They think of an organization willing to indulge in these childish fantasies of their players. They think of an organization willing to use its immense revenue in order to lure promising young players away from their teams, turning the best of the best into mercenaries.

They think of a sport where the caption running under the ESPN post-game conference reads "Yankees eliminated for the seventh year in a row in the playoffs" and think to themselves, "wow, they got to the playoffs seven years in a row and they're unhappy?" They think of entitled fans that howl and moan because their team *only* made 90 wins.

They think of a sport that is dominated by the largest city and market in the country, that cares only for itself and looks down its nose at anyone else. They think of a city that is home to the teams that are always on television stations based in the same city. Are you from a city in the Rockies? Play at 10:00 on TBS.

What don't people think of because of the Yankees? They don't think of smart at-bats (they think of home runs), they don't think of shrewd managing (they think of pleasing a self-absorbed jerk), they don't think of crafty lefties (they think of fire-ballers), they don't think of native sons (they think of mercenaries), they don't think of redemption stories (they think of duds), they don't think of team chemistry (they think of superstars), they don't think of never-say-die heart (they think of self-pitying collapse).

Why do I hate the Yankees? Because they're the epitome of Major League Baseball for so many people and because they're so far from baseball.

The second reason is that they're so damn fun to hate.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 10, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Take a look at this blog post, then tell me if you think JimBo will assemble a championship team for us:

http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/09/the-seeds-of-success/

/threadjack

Posted by: Scott | October 10, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse


Take a look at this blog post, then tell me if you think JimBo will assemble a championship team for us:

http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/09/the-seeds-of-success/

/threadjack

Screw that Byrnes bastard.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071009&content_id=2259023&vkey=news_was&fext=.jsp&c_id=was&partnered=rss_was

Posted by: Scott | October 10, 2007 10:56 AM

Posted by: Mike Rizzo | October 10, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

10:15 is 7:00 (arizona) and 8:00 (denver).
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What happens to the 15 minutes? :)

Posted by: lowcountrynatsfan | October 10, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"What happens to the 15 minutes?"

Gotta adjust for altitude. Duh.

Posted by: joebleux | October 10, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Gotta adjust for altitude. Duh."

Otherwise that 15 minutes would just fly in the park, giving the home team an unfair advantage over other, lower-altitude ballparks.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 10, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

This blog is getting a comment once every two hours or so on the eve of the division championships. Boston and New York are the only two baseball towns left in the U.S., despite Nats' advertising to the contrary. Does anyone know how to listen to ESPN at night around here?

Posted by: flynnie | October 10, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

yankee fans, in all too many instances, are the kind of people that would have rooted for the giant. seriously. and their sense of entitlement knows no limits. the idea that the baseball owes them something, or that the baseball viewing public should somehow share in their misery, just because of all the rings and the past glory, simply astounds me. could they be more self-centered? they just don't get -- and probably never will -- that the game itself is far bigger than that single franchise. to say that the yankees "define" baseball is thoroughly myopic. (they may define baseball marketing, but that's another argument entirely.) i'm pretty sure that the playoffs are going to go on without them.

personally, as someone who doesn't care for the franchise (i refuse to use the term "yankee hater," as it's something their fans are quick to throw at anyone who doesn't worship in the house of ruth), i'm glad they're out, and only wish they hadn't made the playoffs at all. i celebrate the fact that a bloated payroll and public relations machine doesn't win baseball games, not enough anyway. as a fan of the game, and not the brand, i'd love to see them have to live like most other teams.

the lateness of the upcoming games is inconvenient for fans in the east, but i'm sure that rockies and d-backs fans appreciate the normal start time. if you want to watch the game, you'll find a way to make that happen. i'm more upset about the fact that in two weeks, the baseball season will be over completely.

Posted by: blueson | October 10, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, flynnie, I'm sure New York blogs are talking about the league championships (the eve of division championships is long passed). I'm sure that not groaning woe is us how did our team lose (oh yeah, the other one too) to an inferior one (hint to NYC: they're not inferior).

Boston will be buzzing because Boston is IN the championship series. Have you checked out Cleveland or Denver lately?

You've got a lot of gall to come to a blog full of baseball lovers and complain about Boston and New York being the only real baseball towns. Even if we assume your absurd little statement is correct, does that mean that we're nothing just because it's not the favorite sport of [enter not Boston or New York].

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 10, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I grew up on the west coast and remember:
(1) Setting the VCR to tape games while I was at school (and missing the end of "game 6" because it ran long), and
(2) Getting caught with a walkman in class listening to one of the games in the 85 LCS in St. Louis.

It was part of the joy of being a baseball fan. I wish they'd make more western time zone day games. It's the LCS for goodness sake! Local fans should take the day off!

Posted by: Sec 315(2) | October 10, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

flynnie, not sure if this answers your question, but I've listened to ESPN postseason play-by-play via 730 or 92.7, It does seem to cut out at night. On the day of each game, the newspaper publishes the dial position of the stations that will carry it. If you're watching online and there's no ESPN radio coverage, you can listen to the in-studio talk shows via the TBS Hot Corner (but not the play-by-play). Sometimes the studio talking heads do actually comment on the game, though at other times the discussion centers on Kelly or Heather's shoe choice for the day (blecch!).

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I was in elementary school in the 60's and remember when the World Series games would come on in the afternoon... and I remember the televisions in the school tuned in to watch the games... I think it was the Tigers and the Cardinals that I remember most vividly...

That was when schools had their priorities straight.

Posted by: Wigi | October 10, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Awesome link http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/09/the-seeds-of-success/
and post, Scott, but if John Hart is so good, why are the Rangers so bad? And one of the posters to the site offers further proof that Barry's reportage could be fatal in Boston:

"One of the very odd things about some of the resistance to applying at least some analysis along with scouting in the running of a team is that it often differs only in degree rather than kind from what's been done before.

The perfect example, to me, a Red Sox fan, is the attitude of one of the boston writers, the hated Dan Shaughnessy of the Globe. (Trust me, he's mostly reviled in new england). Shaughnessy was contemptuous of the Sox hiring Bill James and such a young GM as Theo Epstein. He ridiculed the idea of using analysis to run an organization. But, in addition to these bile filled columns, he wrote one about the Orioles of Earl Weaver. It seemed Shaughnessy had worked for a DC or Baltimore paper in the late 70's and got to know Weaver a bit. He apparently liked Weaver and marveled at his great knowledge of the game. But he told how Weaver was so competitive that he was one of the first to record matchup data on 3×5 cards. Shaughnessy recounted how, at a crucial moment in the 1979 ALCS, someone came running down to the dugout to give Earl the info that there was an Oriole who'd hit well against the new Angels reliever, Montague (no, not Capulet). John Lowenstein had hit him well. Weaver put in Lowenstein who got a big hit.

What was amazing and kind of sad was that Shaughnessy couldn't see that major league equivalent stats for minor leaguers or whatever analysis tool James, Epstein and the Sox were using were just the next step past the 3×5 card. Why was the level of sophistication of the 3×5 card some magical stopping line? Simply because that's what Shaughnessy was familar with, I think."

If these Sawx fans can't take Shaughnessy, who was just reporting front-office gossip, then what would they do to Barry, who already has Stan kasten screaming at him?

Posted by: flynnie | October 10, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Natsfan1a, thanks for the suggestions, but for my poor blind friends, how do you listen to ESPN on free radio in the D.C. area at night, now that it's been hijacked by The Danny? And 506, you are right, I do have a lot of gall. Saying that this site is "full" of any humans, baseball lovers or no, is a LOL howler. But the laughter is scary, because there's an echo - this room is so empty!

Posted by: flynnie | October 10, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

506 (before moving) hello? Hello? Anybody out there? Anybody? Baseball lovers? Anyone?

Posted by: flynnie | October 10, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

That is the absolute worst case of "what have you done for me lately?" that I have ever seen on this blog, flynnie.

And THAT is saying something.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 10, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

506, just you and me in this room "full of baseball lovers." (your words) Can you help my blind friends find ESPN radio at night around here?

Posted by: flynnie | October 10, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

flynnie: surprising that there would be an echo where you are -- you'd think the padded walls would cut down on that...

Posted by: joebleux | October 10, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I Googled "ESPN radio washington dc" and got 92.7 FM, 94.3 FM, 730 AM, and 980 AM (and that last one has an "M" next to it for Major League Baseball).

You can also stream it online, which was the SECOND search result in Google: http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/player?id=null&rate=null&format=null&type=null&play=live&name=null

Perhaps I was not clear in my last post. This blog is hopping all the time. It's quiet for a day and you're disparaging it and our town. You were here all season, you know that tons of people post here. You're just being obtuse for no apparent reason.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 10, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey, we're here. We're just not spouting off all the time.

Posted by: the lurkers | October 10, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Echo: 506 (before moving) hello? Hello? Anybody out there? Anybody? Baseball lovers? Anyone?

Posted by: lowcountrynatsfan | October 10, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Lots of lurkers here, I suspect. I know I read everything on this blog. I've recommended NJ to my season ticket group partners and others. Great baseball fans here. And lots of entertainment value. Sometimes I wish the regulars would post less, not more, so I could get some work done!

Posted by: Another lurker | October 10, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

one more thing flynnie re. one of your previous posts:

here in dc, where at least some of us are thankful to have a baseball team again, it's obvious that the skins rule the roost. but i dare you tell the good people of st. louis, kansas city, and even detroit that those aren't great baseball towns.

Posted by: blueson | October 10, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

So I see on the Nats site where they outrighted 6 players to Columbus. Wonder whether there could be trades or other moves a'brewin?

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

OK OK, so we're not ALL retired or unemployed, and watching this blog isn't the most interesting thing I have to do today. I'll pop in now and then; sue me.

And fwiw, that doesn't sound like you, flynnie.
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This blog is getting a comment once every two hours or so on the eve of the division championships. Boston and New York are the only two baseball towns left in the U.S., despite Nats' advertising to the contrary. Does anyone know how to listen to ESPN at night around here?
Posted by: flynnie | October 10, 2007 02:58 PM

Posted by: cevans | October 10, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

You forgot self-employed, cevans. My boss is kinda wacky, but she's okay with my checking out the NJ during the day...

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OK OK, so we're not ALL retired or unemployed, and watching this blog isn't the most interesting thing I have to do today. I'll pop in now and then; sue me.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there will be more postings when actual baseball games are in screaming distance.

There is this from the AFL:

Peoria Javelinas trail the Surprise Rafters (!) 6-5 in the bottom of the 7th (Rafters batting). J-Max is 0-2 with a walk, but P-Nats catcher Devin Ivany is 2-3 with 2 HRs and 3 RBIs. And he only hit 5 HRs all year for Potomac.

There. Baseball.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 10, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Rafters players have a higher ceiling?

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Nice, 1a. I was theorizing in a prior post about what the Surprise Rafters logo might look like ("9 guys in suits going over a waterfall,") but it was at the end of that post and didn't get any play. Perhaps another topic for a slow afternoon.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 10, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I think we're doing pretty darn good considering that the NATS season (remember them? this blog is named after the local team) is OVER for the year. Sure our resident blogfather(s) have continued on with post-season updates about the other teams that are still in it, but it's certainly not surprising that posts have dropped off with no new news about the NATS. How that is indicative of this not being a "baseball town" I simply cannot fathom. I think a better indicator of us becoming a baseball town may be discerned by going back to some of Barry's first entries of the season from spring training where you'll see one or two comments per post.

Posted by: JennX | October 10, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I like it, Bob L.!

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

natsfan1a: I think it is kinda typical for those kinds of roster moves at the end of the season... so I don't think it means anything one way or the other... But you mentioning it made me go look at the Nats site... and read the article... and then I came across this one:

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071010&content_id=2259408&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

about A-Rod's contract... here is proof, in print, that there is no sanity in the free agent market... read Boras' comments.

I also noticed the piece about Glavine... not that I hadn't heard it before... but that was the first time I had seen it addressed that thoroughly.

Personally, I think it would be a waste of money... though as Boz points out... if you're gonna get a free agent pitcher, get a hall of famer...

Posted by: Wigi | October 10, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Well here's some Nats stuff:

The Nationals outrighted pitchers Winston Abreu, Mike Bacsik, Chris Booker and Arnie Munoz and outfielder Brandon Watson to Triple-A Columbus on Wednesday. The club also reinstated right-hander Jason Simontacchi from the 60-day disabled list and outrighted him to Columbus.
The moves mean that all six players have been taken off the 40-man roster.

-From MLB.com

Posted by: Some News... | October 10, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Wigi, re. the roster change info.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Boy it's going to be a loooong off season. I'm still having acute Nats withdrawl, there's this protracted delay between playoff series, football only satisfies on the weekend, and to top it all of the Caps are off til Friday yet! Argh! I can see it won't be long until my baseball season on the Xbox kicks off again. Not sure if I'll play "predict the roster" or "fantasy draft" but either way, things are looking good for the Nats to repeat as WS Champs from last season ;-)

Posted by: MKevin | October 10, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

So many different topics today. My choice for comment is access to game broadcasts. Unfortunately in today's USA you gotta ante up to play - if you can't afford cable (or Direct TV in my rural central VA situation) you can't watch the games. If you live in various places - including mine of course, and it is ridiculous that it's piecemeal in DC, you can't listen either unless you buy XM. It does cost money but oh boy is it great. They carry the home team broadcast of every game, including these, and also the ESPN broadcasts of the playoffs. Only exception, ESPN radio only of the national TV Fox and ESPN games on Sat and Sun during the regular season.

"Why hate the Yankees?" A weird question. Who do you root for: Goliath, or David? Minutemen, or Redcoats? Apple, or Microsoft? Upsets, or blowouts by favorites?

Posted by: Geezer | October 10, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I guess the only on even mildly surprising on that list is Bacsik. I thought he might have at least earned a spot on the 40-man.

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Well here's some Nats stuff:

The Nationals outrighted pitchers Winston Abreu, Mike Bacsik, Chris Booker and Arnie Munoz and outfielder Brandon Watson to Triple-A Columbus on Wednesday. The club also reinstated right-hander Jason Simontacchi from the 60-day disabled list and outrighted him to Columbus.
The moves mean that all six players have been taken off the 40-man roster.

-From MLB.com

Posted by: Some News... | October 10, 2007 06:32 PM

Posted by: MKevin | October 10, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"Alex wants to be in one uniform for a long, long time, if not to the end of his career," Boras said of the 32-year-old, headed to his third AL MVP Award. "I think Alex could play very reasonably until he's 45. So you're talking about a situation where we want this guy to be identified with one franchise and one uniform for a very, very long time."

If, a few weeks from now, the Nationals announced that they had signed Alex Rodriguez to a 13-year, $390 million deal, what would your reaction be, people of Nationals Journal?

Posted by: Matt | October 10, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

1. I hope he still knows how to play short or,
2. I hope Zimmerman can successfully make the transition.
3. A lot of dough over a loooong time, but instant credibility and lots butts in the seats in Nats Park.
4. Better get a serious insurance plan.
5. Better get him some protection because he's likely to never see a fastball or anything close to the strikezone if he's the only piece you add to the current lineup.
6. So much for the questions about if the Lerners would lay down the $$$ when it came time to.
7. Time to shell out the $$$ to get my "I hate A-Rod" tattoo lasered off.

Posted by: MKevin | October 10, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck, Felopez. It was nice knowing ya.

Hellllooooooo, Alex. Here to challenge Bobby Boswell for Best Looking Athlete in DC award?

Posted by: Atlanta | October 10, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

just FYI, here's a snippet of A-Rod info from mlbtraderumors.com:

"We've seen the ten-year, $300MM estimate thrown around quite a bit. Mike Lupica of the New York Daily News ups the ante, suggesting Boras could find a team to pay $400MM over eleven years. Screw it - someone should just pay him one billion dollars over 29 years and get it over with."

Posted by: Matt | October 10, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Flynnie! I've been here all along, my friend. What's with the hostility? I've been lurking, getting laundry done for once, but I'm here.
Sheesh, they gripe for us goofing off about snark factors and butt abscesses, and they gripe for us keeping quiet when we got nothing smart to say. Can't win around here.

Posted by: NatsNut | October 10, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I've heard speculation that some teams may offer A-Rod percentages of ownership as partial compensation. Makes the situation in Chicago with ownership up for grabs interesting. Might be tough to negotiate but makes for interesting gossip/rumors with a potential Mark Cuban/A-Rod ownership group bidding for the team.

Posted by: MKevin | October 10, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

It's like you read my mind, NatsNut!

A-Rod -- just say nooooooooooo!!

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Sheesh, they gripe for us goofing off about snark factors and butt abscesses, and they gripe for us keeping quiet when we got nothing smart to say. Can't win around here.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 10, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Matt asks: If, a few weeks from now, the Nationals announced that they had signed Alex Rodriguez to a 13-year, $390 million deal, what would your reaction be, people of Nationals Journal?

I would be disgusted and I would realize that this move single handedly destroyed any chance of the Nationals becoming good and remaining likeable. Paying that much money to one selfish glory seeking 'star' destroys team chemistry, and, ultimately, the team.

The ARod of hockey, Jaromir Jagr, played with the Capitals in 2001 and signed a ridiculous (in hockey terms) seven year contract with the team. The franchise is just now, six years later, beginning to recover.

Posted by: Ray | October 10, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Reliable Source chat today concluded that Ryan Zimmerman is far and away the most eligible bachelor in town.

Posted by: Also Lurking | October 10, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

this is exactly, exactly, what buried the Yankees (and Cubs, and and and and and.). If you're going to pay through the nose, pay for what they're GOING to do, not what they did already for someone else. Getting a HOF'er is just pure CYA.
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though as Boz points out... if you're gonna get a free agent pitcher, get a hall of famer...
Posted by: Wigi | October 10, 2007 06:14 PM

Posted by: cevans | October 10, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

so, NO, under NO circumstances sign K-Rod.

Posted by: cevans | October 10, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

If you are Jim Bowden, do you sign Tom Glavine or Andy Pettite?

Posted by: estuartj | October 10, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Petitte, maybe; Glavine, probably not.
Good luck with that retirement thing.

Posted by: cevans | October 10, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

My West Coast/Mountain Time Zone contacts reliably inform me they don't give a Phlying Philadelphia Phork what we watch or don't watch.

Posted by: Willie Gandebol | October 10, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Yanno, I can see ARod in the blue pajamas. I think he'd do well there, and prosper. Not win, but prosper.
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I've heard speculation that some teams may offer A-Rod percentages of ownership as partial compensation. Makes the situation in Chicago with ownership up for grabs interesting. Might be tough to negotiate but makes for interesting gossip/rumors with a potential Mark Cuban/A-Rod ownership group bidding for the team.
Posted by: MKevin | October 10, 2007 08:40 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Of course, there is no way they'd ever let Mark Cuban own the Cubs. They'd sooner resurrect Bill Veeck and make him Commissioner. But it's a nice dream. Just because it's the best thing that could happen to MLB in a hundred years, doesn't mean much. Sigh.

Posted by: cevans | October 11, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

You know, I do believe they'd approve a sale of the Cubs to Hugo Chavez before one to Mark Cuban. That's rich.

Posted by: cevans | October 11, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

... and HOW MUCH would Chavez rub it into W, if his team won?? LOL

Posted by: cevansjr | October 11, 2007 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Nats News:

The Javelinas ended up losing to the Surprise (!) Rafters yesterday, 14-11. The Rafters scored 7 runs in the 7th to go up 13-5. The Javies staged a comeback (sort of) with 3 runs in the 8th and 3 more in the 9th, but fell short in the end.

Shawn Hill will undergo surgery on his left (non-throwing) shoulder this morning in Birmingham (not sure what time ....) This is the one he hurt diving back into the base in April.

The City of Harrisburg sold the Senators to Michael Reinsdorf, son of Jerry Reinsdorf, owner of the ChiSox and Bulls.

And Boz essentially makes the anti-A-Rod argument here, pointing out that three of the four teams left in the playoffs got there by following their own version of The Plan:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/10/AR2007101002574.html

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 11, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Odds and ends:

Surprise (!) Rafters is now the official name of that team on this blog. Always with the exclamation point.

A-Rod obviously isn't the man to help this or any team win a championship. Get to the post-season maybe, but they'll need someone else to get a hit in it.

Because of that, A-Rod is classic Cubbies material.

Forget all the Free Agents, we can do better for cheaper without them. Buy low, sell high!

Bacsik hasn't had a good outing since pre-Barry, in my opinion. Like the guy, but he's not cutting it as a left-handed specialist. Keep him in AAA for emergencies. Munoz, on the other hand, I hate to see go. He looked kinda promising.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Baseball America has their weekly transactions update. Two moves involved the Nationals. Both OF Mike Restovich and 2B Bernie Castro were granted free agency. Restovich joined the Nationals as a free agent this past off-season. Restovich had a brief cup of coffee with the Nats early in the season hitting 143/172/179 in 28AB. After being sent down to Columbus, Restovich finished the season hot ending the year hitting 270/332/503 with 20 home runs and 58 RBI over 356 AB. Castro completed his second season in the Washington organization hitting 280/335/362 with 34 stolen bases over a full season (118 games) in Columbus.

Posted by: G-town | October 11, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I know he didn't impress when he was with the big club this year, but I hope the Restovich moved doesn't come back to haunt us.

Posted by: MKevin | October 11, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Aw, Boz is so great!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

It was good to read the WaPo's Sports Page on the Mariner's blog yesterday, so thoughtfully provided to us by Scott. http://ussmariner.com/2007/10/09/the-seeds-of-success Too bad none of the Post writers went into what is so different about the John Hart Brain Trust that exlains their successful scouting and player development- new statistical formulae? blind luck? - and why the John Hart Rangers are so dreadful. Still rebuilding?

Posted by: flynnie | October 11, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

My youngest daughter was apologizing to me for a comment she thought to be rude. Having just read this blog, I replied, "You were just being snarky." (My first use of this word.) She replied, "No, Dad, it wasn't funny enough to be snarky." Given that definition, there has been nothing snarky this baseball season in Mr. Svrluga's writing or this blog. I'm going to The Mariner's blog to see what will be written by our baseball scribes tomorrow's Post.

Posted by: flynnie | October 11, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Gee I wish this blog had an ignore button.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

flynnie, when did 419 possess you?

419, why flynnie?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

506, You're right as usual about the "Bang Rafters". Anyhow, "Surprise {8 O Rafters" is too long.
And perfectly trenchant observation on FA-Rod.

Now I want to know why the Post doesn't cover the obvious conspiracy to impersonate flynnie, among others, on this blog.
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"Surprise (!) Rafters" is now the official name of that team on this blog. Always with the exclamation point.

A-Rod obviously isn't the man to help this or any team win a championship. Get to the post-season maybe, but they'll need someone else to get a hit in it.
Because of that, A-Rod is classic Cubbies material.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 10:28 AM

Posted by: cevans | October 11, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"I'm going to The Mariner's blog..."

Don't feel like you need to hurry back. Seriously. Take your time. Stay there a while. Or forever.

Posted by: joebleux | October 11, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Please note that some of us only comment if we have (or think we have) something pertinent to say. It hasn't got anything to do with whether we are on the site or interested.

A. Rod would be an interesting addition to the Nats. Please note that I said interesting, not good or bad, as in: How is that exotic food...Interesting.

The 300 to 400 mil over 13 years is probably in the general range, but I'm reasonably certain that a piece of a team is against the rules. The last player to actually have a piece of a team was probably Connie Mack, or maybe even John Montgomery Ward. The 13 years is problematic in a funny way. Someone mentioned insurance. If I'm not mistaken, the insurance companies stopped insuring contracts more than three years out after the debacle with our orange neighbors to the north.

Posted by: Catcher50 | October 11, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd's of London would insure that contract.

Posted by: estuartj | October 11, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe...and at what price?

Posted by: Catcher50 | October 11, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

So the GM in Atlanta has resigned...Um, conspiracy theory here, is Bowden on his way out? Hehe.

I would love to have A-Rod and his 156 RBI's and 54 HR's! Although that will never happen.

Thanks posters for the updates from the Arizona league! I have friends who live in Surprise - it's a town that has just sprouted up out of no where much like the other towns surrounding Phoenix.

Posted by: Patty | October 11, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow... that's huge. Given the ATL connections I'd be sweating bullets if I were Bowden.

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So the GM in Atlanta has resigned...Um, conspiracy theory here, is Bowden on his way out? Hehe.

Posted by: Patty | October 11, 2007 01:00 PM

Posted by: MKevin | October 11, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

joebleux, WaPo apparatchik, to what other causes besides The Post are you so blindly loyal? Just curious.

Posted by: flynnie | October 11, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey! There's baseball on tonight!

Interesting matchup out west. Almost like two different ballgames. When the Rockies are batting, you will see veteran Arizona pitchers (Cy Young winner Brandon Webb, Doug Davis, Livan Hernandez) facing off against experienced MLB hitters (Todd Helton, Garrett Atkins, Matt Holliday, Brad Hawpe).

But when the D-backs are at the plate, a veritable double-A game suddenly breaks out. Arizona's lineup features FIVE players that are in their first or second season with the club (Conor Jackson, Stephen Drew, Chris Young, and midseason call-ups Mark Reynolds and Justin Upton). And they will be facing Colorado pitchers Jeff Francis (in his third season), Ubaldo Jimenez (15 career starts), Franklin Morales (8 career starts) and Manny Corpas (second season, first as the closer).

In the first contest, will the Rockies beat up on soft-tossers Davis and Hernandez? Or will the crafty veterans hold sway? And in the second, who wins the futures game?

Posted by: Bob (!) Head | October 11, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Geezer, thanks for caring. So Dan Snyder has cut off access to free ESPN radio at night, a cut that is especially deep to blind baseball fans. Seems worthy of some reportage. And speaking of blind, joebleux can you help my blind friends listen to ESPN radio at night since it has been silenced by The Danny?

Posted by: flynnie | October 11, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we could bring Schuerholz up here. And then sign Andruw Jones. And Tom Glavine. Is Francisco Cabrera available?

Posted by: Bob (?) Head | October 11, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Also, as to the guys they outrighted, the guys on the farm say they will probably re-sign Booker, Munoz and Abreu to minor league contracts.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 11, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

flynnie, why do you bother reading a paper which you obviously despise? You do know that you can get to this blog without ever venturing into the rest of the Post, right? Why don't you just read a paper that you like, and not read this one? Yes, a radical thought, but please do consider it for your own sanity (a lost cause, however, I am guessing).

Posted by: joebleux | October 11, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

If Bowden goes, what happens to Lopez, Kearns and Willy Mo Pena if they struggle again?

Posted by: estuartj | October 11, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Funny, Bob!

Posted by: Bob (!) Head | October 11, 2007 01:10 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 11, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks,Patty, this IS HUGE! Here is the latest AP article.

Schuerholz Is Retiring As Braves' GM

By PAUL NEWBERRY
The Associated Press
Thursday, October 11, 2007; 1:15 PM

ATLANTA -- Atlanta Braves general manager John Schuerholz was retiring Thursday after assembling teams that won a record 14 straight division titles and the 1995 World Series championship.

Outfielder Jeff Francoeur said he got the word a few hours before Schuerholz made his official announcement.

"I figured he would be with us another year of two," Francoeur said. "It kind of happened quick for all of us. It caught us off guard."

The team had no immediate comment other than to schedule an afternoon news conference for a "major" announcement.

The Braves won 14 consecutive division titles from 1991, Schuerholz's first season in Atlanta, until 2004, a streak unprecedented in any of the major American sports. The only blemish on his resume was a lack of success once his teams got the playoffs.

Atlanta's only World Series title came 12 years ago, a six-game victory over the Cleveland Indians that gave the city its first _ and still only _ major sports championship.

Four other times during the streak, the Braves lost in the World Series. They also lost four times in the NL championship series and four more times in the division series.

After the team's ownership passed from Ted Turner to Time Warner, the Braves began to cut payroll though they remained one of the highest-spending teams in baseball.

In 2005, Atlanta's postseason streak ended with a losing season and third-place finish in the NL East. The Braves climbed back over .500 this season but again finished third, and out of the playoffs.

Still, the postseason failures and recent slide do little to diminish Schuerholz's remarkable record of assembling talented teams year after year, with manager Bobby Cox running things in the dugout throughout the remarkable run.

"Obviously, John has done an unbelievable job with the organization and this team," Francoeur said. "He definitely deserves to retire and enjoy what he's accomplished. It's sad, because we didn't want to see him go."

Schuerholz, who turned 67 on Oct. 1, came to the Braves from Kansas City in 1991, taking over a last-place team that had plenty of potential: pitchers John Smoltz, Tom Glavine and Steve Avery were just starting out their careers.

The new GM filled out the roster with established veterans such as Terry Pendleton and Sid Bream, a combination took Atlanta from worst to first and all the way to Game 7 of the World Series.

The memorable series ended with a 1-0, 10-inning loss at Minnesota in the decisive contest.

Even though Smoltz is the only player who has been with the Braves throughout the Schuerholz era, the general manager kept a steady flow of talent moving through Atlanta. Greg Maddux and Andres Gallarraga were signed as free agents. Fred McGriff and Gary Sheffield were acquired in trades. Chipper Jones, Javy Lopez and Ryan Klesko came up through a productive farm system.

More recently, Francoeur and All-Star catcher Brian McCann came up from the minors to lead the team through a new generation.


Posted by: flynnie | October 11, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It's not huge, Flynnie. The dude is 67 years old and is retiring as GM. He's going to become the team president.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 11, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Talk about an opportunity for the Lerners to shed their image as cheap! John Shuerholtz is available as GM! 67 is too young for a GM to retire. See Pat Gillick. Remember his rage at the ball boy who caught a foul ball on the fly, thus maybe costing the Braves an out? Shuerholtz still has the fire to win. He's got two rings ('85 Royals and and '95 Braves). And he and Stan Kasten (who hired him from the Royals) invented the scouting and player development techniques that the young GM's are getting the credit for in this morning's paper. He's from Baltimore, went to college there, and has paid for the beautiful athletic complex a Towson State. He has a son at Auburn whom he could train to be the next Theo Epstein. Welcome home, John! Or maybe, welcom home, Brian Cashman!

Posted by: flynnie | October 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying that GMs have to retire at 67. But I am saying that when a successful GM voluntarily steps down (or steps up, in this case, to team president), it's probably a pretty good indication that he doesn't want to be the GM anymore.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 11, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

joebleux, why do you turn every subject into a defense of the Washington Post, which you so blindly love? The subject is boring, as are the personal attacks.

Posted by: flynnie | October 11, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go ahead and put this out there: I like Jim Bowden. I think he's grown into the job real well. I want to see what he can do in the next few years.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Flynnie, kill it. You're a broken record. And incorrect.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm in the Bowden camp as well. His job is to fit pieces together and field a competitive team while the Nats figure out which of the young guys are part of the future. He's good at that.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 11, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"flynnie, when did 419 possess you?

419, why flynnie?"

506, please quit insulting me with comments like this. I'll let flynnie decide for him or herself whether or not he or she feels insulted by your comment and rspond accordingly. Because obviously flynnie and I are not the same person, nor do we even know each other and compare notes before we post here. Is it so hard for you and others to realize that there may actually be more than one person here who will question the "party line" provided by the Washington Post, both here and in print? There may even be more of "us" out here than there are of "you". You never know...

Posted by: Section 419 | October 11, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

OK, 419, since you're not flynnie, I'll pose the same question to you: why do you bother reading the Post if you despise it so much? If you don't like it, don't read it -- how hard is that?

Posted by: joebleux | October 11, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm in the Mike Rizzo camp -- when does he get to take over?

Posted by: Scott | October 11, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"A. Rod would be an interesting addition to the Nats. Please note that I said interesting, not good or bad, as in: How is that exotic food...Interesting."

What is that old Chinese curse again? "May you live in interesting times" or something like that? And keep in mind what happens when things get "interesting" and the Washington Post is around - Boswell starts writing about you. Do the Nationals really want that?

Posted by: Section 419 | October 11, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

My kingdom for a new post (it usually quells the bickering for a spell).

Posted by: JennX | October 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

As far as I can tell there are three people that want to complain about the Post coverage, which is their right.

For those that prefer other topics, one option might be to stop engaging the WaPo three in debates.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"OK, 419, since you're not flynnie, I'll pose the same question to you: why do you bother reading the Post if you despise it so much? If you don't like it, don't read it -- how hard is that?"

Who said I despise the Post? Certainly not me. I do see areas where they could use some improvement, and I point those out. Perhaps some may not appreciate my snarky style when doing so, but really all I'm doing is pointing out areas where I, a person who pays them 35 cents a day ($1.50 on Sundays), think they could do a better job. Not unlike a Nationals fan who goes to the games but yet complains about some aspect of the team. What don't you get about that, joebleux?

Posted by: Section 419 | October 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

It's the vehemence with which you complain 419. I'm also surprised (!) to hear that you like the Post. I've often wondered the same thing.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Uhm, understood Mr. Head, sir.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm sticking by my earlier comment that I would be really surprised if Kasten brought Schuerholz up here.

Bowden's really taken the reigns and seems to have done some good things toward the plan. They all seem to be jiving together really well. No need to stir the pot just yet.

Also, this is Kasten's chance to bring the good from Atlanta and leave the bad behind. Bad, meaning whatever it was that kept Atlanta from the World Series in all of those years but one. Hopefully he brought with him his "lessons learned," and I think bringing Schuerholz in would be going backwards.

I'm feeling kinda sorry for Atlanta now that the Turner era is over. In fact, I'd be willing to bet Schuerholz's leaving has more to do with Time-Warner than anything.

Posted by: NatsNut | October 11, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, really sorry it took this long for a new post, but there's one up, and there's some fairly interesting small stuff in there.

Posted by: Barry Svrluga | October 11, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're right, of course, Bob L. I know better, but sometimes it's like a poison ivy rash -- you know scratching's just going to make it worse, but it's so damn irritating.

Posted by: joebleux | October 11, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

JennX, how will you be shipping your kingdom, fedex air or ground?

New post THANK GAWD!!

Posted by: NatsNut | October 11, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

506, that was just a suggestion. If people like arguing over the Post, they can do so. But to the extent that folks don't like it, disengagement might be a better strategy. From my perspective, I'm willing to read constructive arguments about virtually anything; simple bickering is less interesting.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 11, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

And with that, JennX gets her wish ... new post.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 11, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"It's the vehemence with which you complain 419. I'm also surprised (!) to hear that you like the Post. I've often wondered the same thing."

No more vehement than the way I get complained about here by some, 506. Like for instance today when my name gets dragged through the mud here out of the blue even though I haven't posted anything on this blog for several days, and haven't made any comments about the Post coverage for quite some time.

Just as I never have said I despise the Post, I'm not saying now that I necessarily like it. I've been reading it for over 40 years, and spending my own money to do so. (Not like people who read it only on the Web for free.) I find that I'm liking it less and less as each passing year goes by. Is there anything wrong with me pointing that out every now and then, in the hope that perhaps things might change and it won't get to the point some day when I actually decide to quit spending money on the Post? And if those of you who are reading this and other stuff I write here don't like what I'm saying, you're always free to give it a skip - just as I give a skip to much of the other not-strictly-baseball-related drivel that shows up here. I mean, it's not like we're paying anything for the right to read or write here, is it? You know what they say: talk is cheap. And talk here is about as cheap as it gets, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 11, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh, since I forgot to sign that last one, it was really me if y'all hadn't already figured that out...

Posted by: Section 419 | October 11, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, Bob L. Just as in other aspects of life, neither side is bound to change the point of view of the other. To attempt to do so is a waste of time and energy, IMO.

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For those that prefer other topics, one option might be to stop engaging the WaPo three in debates.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 11, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Damn, I assumed it was flynnie!

Juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuusst kidding around!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 11, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't try teaching pigs to sing. It just wastes your time, and it annoys the pig.

Posted by: I am legion | October 11, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

re. catcher50's earlier post on insuring players

i believe that teams still try and do that, whenever possible, where long term contracts are involved. i know that the astros filed a claim during spring training of '06 on bagwell, who was deemed unable to play because of his shoulder injury. i don't know if they collected, however.

Posted by: blueson | October 11, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

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