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The Last Glorious Night of October

Greetings from Jacobs Field. As the title of this post might suggest, it's a beautiful night here -- mid 60s and sunny, with temperatures dipping only into the mid 50s by the end of the night. And also as the title might suggest, it's not going to last. The next two days and nights here are supposed to be rainy. I'd venture to guess this might be the last game of the postseason played in fabulous weather. You saw what it looked like in Denver last night. Now, imagine that same precipitation when it's 10 degrees colder in another week or two. Yikes.

Are we in for a slugfest here tonight? It sure sets up that way. After the Red Sox grinded out a bunch of great at-bats against C.C. Sabathia and Fausto Carmona in Games 1 and 2, Jake Westbrook, the Indians' Game 3 starter, is going to look like fresh meat. And the Indians have had two good looks at Daisuke Matsuzaka this season--which, as you already know if you read my story today--generally projects to a difficult night for him. Of course, having said all that, it will probably be a 1-0 game that is played in under two and a half hours.

Well, that may be going too far.

Here's a question to mull over: If the Red Sox lose tonight, should they bring back Josh Beckett on three days' rest in Game 4? Manager Terry Francona insists he will not. But should he?

Here, as I see it, are the reasons to do it:
*Beckett, by far their best starter, would be able to pitch two more times in the series--on short rest in Game 4, and on full rest in Game 7.
*Although history has shown pitchers starting on short rest typically struggle, Beckett is somebody who has proven he can do it. In Game 6 of the 2003 World Series, he started on three days' rest and shut out the Yankees.
*Starting Beckett in Game 4 would line up Schilling and Matsuzaka in Games 5 and 6 on normal (four days') rest.

And here are the reasons not to:
*While it's true Beckett has a history of pitching well on three days' rest, that was four years ago.
*If they were to lose Game 4 with Beckett on the mound (going down 3-1), they'd be in serious trouble, and would be without Beckett until Game 7.
*Tim Wakefield won 17 games this year.
*Schilling, who is 40 years old, would be better off pitching on extra rest in Game 6, as opposed to on regular rest in Game 5. For the matter, the same could be said for Matsuzaka in Game 7.

While you mull that over, here are your lineups for Game 3. Only change is Nixon in place of Franklin Gutierrez in RF for Cleveland:

For the Red Sox:
2B Dustin Pedroia
1B Kevin Youkilis
DH David Ortiz
LF Manny Ramirez
3B Mike Lowell
RF J.D. Drew
C Jason Varitek
CF Coco Crisp
SS Julio Lugo
(RHP Daisuke Matsuzaka)

For the Indians:
CF Grady Sizemore
2B Asdrubal Cabrera
DH Travis Hafner
C Victor Martinez
1B Ryan Garko
SS Jhonny Peralta
LF Kenny Lofton
RF Trot Nixon
3B Casey Blake
(RHP Jake Westbrook)

By Dave Sheinin  |  October 15, 2007; 5:37 PM ET
 
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"Of course, having said all that, it will probably be a 1-0 game that is played in under two and a half hours."

Posted by: ROTFLMAO | October 15, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

They should play Wakefield, if only because I love watching him pitch. Beyond that, the extra rest is important, and the contrast in styles I think messes with other teams.

Posted by: Kevin | October 15, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, a guy can dream, can't he?

"Of course, having said all that, it will probably be a 1-0 game that is played in under two and a half hours."

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 15, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

A few leftovers from the Chat, which I only got to see late (work sometimes overcomes even baseball).

1. Is a W/S the last week of October in Cleveland/Boston v. Colorado with a 5-7 day break after the last LCS Selig's worst nightmare? This especially given the very real possibility that there could be significant snow, particularly in Denver.

2. Nats & a stud pitcher. I think that it was Boswell (although it might have been Bill James) who stated that every long term starter begins as a true fireballer who evolves into a pitcher. Comment? Also, my contention is that, at any given time, there are really only 12 - 15 true "number one"s in the majors.

3. Length of games. Yes, the umpires should enforce the rule that says that a pitcher has one minute from the beginning of his warmups 'til he throws his first pitch. Also, he shall have 12 seconds after the batter is ready to make each pitch. The problem is that the umpires don't enforce the rule all year long. They shouldn't begin to enforce it once the playoffs begin.

4. The NYY / Joe Torre situation. MLB "prohibits" significant announcements between the end of the year and the end of the W/S. I assume that the Reds hiring Baker is not significant. Anything to do with the Yankees is.

Posted by: Catcher50 | October 15, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here's a question that in all their yammering Joe Buck and Tim McCarver haven't addressed. What's the deal with that string of pearls around the neck of Indians 2b Asdrubal Cabrera? Is it a rookie hazing thing, like Ross Detwiler having to wear the pink little girl backpack on the way out to the bullpen, or is Cabrera the Corporal Klinger of MLB?

Posted by: Section 419 | October 15, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter what the Sox do. The Indians are a better club and should when four games in a best of seven. More money has never been spent on such average pitching with Dice-K and Schilling is three years past his prime. The Indians should win 4 games regardless of how the Sox arrange their pitching. Beckett is probably the ONLY pitcher that can win against the Clevelanders.

Posted by: HatesEastCoastBias | October 15, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

I believe the necklace Cabrera is wearing has something to do with his mom. No rookie hazing thing, he has been wearing it all year though.

Posted by: NRCreager | October 15, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Game 3 is over, and no, the bosox did not feast on westbrook. As to barry's question, at this point, despite everything he has said heretofore, I think that francona has to come back with beckett in games 4 and 7. I think beckett has to pitch 2 more games in the series - it gives the bosox their best chance to win. Even on short rest in game 4, at 8O percent, he's better than anyone else they could run out there. And if francona waits and throws him in game 5 instead of 4, he likely loses him for game 7, and he's the guy I'd want to hand the ball to. Plus, while wakefield has been a gamer all these years, I'm not entirely convinced that he is healthy this time around. If you ask me, it's a high risk roll of the dice to send him out there. If the decision blows up in francona's face (either way), he could very easily find himself playing the role of grady little (though one would hope that the 2OO4 title mollified red sox nation just a little bit) in this year's drama.

On the other hand, after all his mercenary wanderings, it's good to see kenny lofton back in cleveland, where he belongs.

Posted by: blueson | October 15, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

This sucks, I am a die-hard baseball fan and college student and I don't even feel like staying up til 2 to watch this game end. Great job baseball, you have successfully ruined the postseason this year. I hope that Fox is stuck with Indians-Rockies.

Note: I would absolutely love that series, as would any other true baseball fan, but thats not what MLB wants for ratings purposes.

Posted by: natsinthevalley | October 15, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Blueson, it's Dave Sheinen's article and question.

Classic, Dave, Classic!

"Though certainly no punching bag, Westbrook owns a career record that is the model of mediocrity -- 62 wins and 62 losses, with a lifetime ERA (4.35) that is almost exactly the league average (4.39) during the seasons in which he has pitched. He is of average age (30), of average size for a pitcher (6 feet 3, 200 pounds), and possessing of average stuff."

15 of 16 1st strikes! Finally, a starter throws strikes! Refreshing! And did that sinker sink!

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

From LAist of Baseball Think Factory

JOE BUCK IS RUINING THE PLAYOFFS

Joe Buck might have the most monotonous, most uninteresting voice on television. His vocal chords sound like they were crafted of the straightest, strongest steel. Some may feel this an asset, but I disagree, countering that this might be the biggest Bucking drawback of Joe. His unwaveringly monotonous tone is so terribly uninteresting and off-putting it bleeds life from the game. Baseball isn't boring. Announcers make it boring.

...Buck's analysis of the game, on the other hand, rests upon whatever predictable stats the producer has placed in front of him. We live in a world where arcane stats, like sabermetrics are readily available and contextually fitting. Yet, Buck chooses to go a more traditional path, eschewing creativity for the safety of stats found in how batter had been hitting lately or how many walks he got. Things that we can clearly see from the stats on the screen. Absent from his game-calling repertoire are shreds of originality that other sportscasters bankrolled into successful careers.

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 1:30 AM | Report abuse

And from Greg Pope on Baseball Think Factory

When Ortiz came up, he had reached base in 10 straight PA. Buck says that he tied the record. Silence from McCarver. Buck says that the record was set by Billy Hatcher. Silence from McCarver. Buck says that it was with the Reds. Pause. Buck tells McCarver, "You were there." Silence. Buck goes on to actually tell about the 1990 WS where Hatcher got his 10 straight hits. McCarver finally wakes up and says, "I forgot I was there". Ugh.

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

How 'bout those Rockies? dang, another sweep...

Posted by: SF Fan | October 16, 2007 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Give Nook another 4 home runs!

Baseball Info Solutions has been keeping a database over the last four years of good and great fieldiing plays. One of the coolest elements is called "RobsHR." That's a tally of home runs robbed by outfielders. You know, that leaping grab with the mitt hanging over the fence. Who's been the best? Here are the leaders for the last four years:

Torii Hunter, Twins 8
Jason Bay, Pirates 6
Gary Matthews, Jr., Angels 6
Lew Ford, Twins 5
Carlos Beltran, Mets 4
Ichiro Suzuki, Mariners 4
Randy Winn, Giants 4
Nook Logan, Nationals 4
Curtis Granderson, Tigers 4
Luis Gonzalez, Dodgers 4
Andruw Jones, Braves 4

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 2:04 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Rockies.

Makes one think back to that August 24 game where they shellacked Cordero and the Nats in the bottom of the 9th. If the Nats had won THAT ONE GAME, would the Rockies even be celebrating tonight?

Just a little food for thought if someone ever says all 162 games in a season don't count/don't matter.

Posted by: Juan-John | October 16, 2007 2:38 AM | Report abuse

What kind of person consciously decides to take a broom to a game? What's the mental process there?

"I really want to bring along a hand-printed sign that spells out an acronym, but gosh darnit there's a chance of a sweep, and I really want to raise up my arm holding a broom. And not just any broom, but my broom, the one from the carport, held aloft among 50,000 people to prove that I mean it."

Posted by: Anti-Puddy | October 16, 2007 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Da meathook earning more honors. the rockies are the team of destiny. boston better win or ratings for the world series will tank. who cares baseball is great.

Posted by: love | October 16, 2007 3:20 AM | Report abuse

1. None of us care about ratings, but I do care about the indifference MLB shows to children. The late starting times and glacial pace are anti-family, anti-children--a politician's nightmare. I guess Bud's no politician. In addition, baseball is very hard to show on TV--too subtle, too complex.

2. How did Fox get a lock on the postseason? As far back as I can remember, they've foisted McCarver and Buck on fans--two of the worst announcers in the game. Yeh, I know TBS has the NL, but who's watching that?

3. Another irrational decision by MLB was to extend the regular season. It's quite possible it will be Cleveland and the Rockies in November. I confess by mid-October my thoughts drift away from baseball as the weather changes. The WS should be over by then. And don't make up for it by starting the season in mid-March. Bud's dumb enough to do that.

4. The sport is amazingly resilient given the propensity at MLB to botch things up over the decades. Must be America's game :-)

5. My thanks to whoever found AM 1000 out of Chicago. Miller and Morgan are doing a good job and are a lot better than the Fox crew. The 30-second or so delay in the visual accompaniment is a hoot.

Posted by: JohnR (VA) | October 16, 2007 6:13 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to Sect. 419 for asking and to NRC, for answering the question about Cabrera's necklace. I'd been wondering about that, too.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Hey JohnR! Isn't that Chicago signal on 1000 AM nice and strong? If I was rich, and owned a local sports franchise, and GAVE A DAMN ABUT THE FANS, I WOULDN'T BUY 3 STATIONS WITH SUCH WEAK SIGNALS AT NIGHT THAT THE FANS HAVE TO FIND A CHICAGO STATION TO LISTEN TO THE BASEBALL PLAYOFFS! Which would you do if given the choice JohnR - go to the October Early Music Festival in Utrecth or watch October baseball here?

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 8:13 AM | Report abuse

So this you're against face-painting, too, right?

Anti-Puddy

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 8:16 AM | Report abuse

This "means" that should have been.

Congrats, Rocks!

Go Cleveland!!

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Congrats, Eric Byrnes, on now being free to work on the other side of the camera in the post-season.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 8:20 AM | Report abuse

From Barry's Gamer - Whaa? Can someone explain the sentence in Caps? I don't get it. Do I need more coffee? Is Barry arguing subtly against intelligent design and thus the concept that the Rockies are "blessed" as opposed to blindly lucky?

"But with Morales due up, Hurdle made his move. He sent up Smith -- who had appeared in all of seven regular-season games -- with two on and two out.

ANY DOUBT THAT THESE ROCKIES ARE BLESSED WAS ERASED RIGHT THERE. Smith blooped Owings's 1-2 pitch over third base into short left field. Five feet in any direction and the ball is likely caught. But in the Rockies' world, that's a two-run, go-ahead double."

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

TV Alert:

Build It Bigger
The high-def cameras observe the building of the new baseball stadium in Washington, D.C.
Discovery HD Theater, Wednesday (Oct. 17), 8 p.m.

Posted by: swanni | October 16, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Ohhh! Any DOUBT was erased! A double negative, kinda sorta, since doubt is a negative concept. This is very very subtle for so early in the morning, but Barry Makes Us Better, like anti-Alzheimer brain exercises.

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

So if it's a rainout tonight (rain is forecast for the rest of the games in Cleveland- 40% thundershowers tonight and then setting in for the rest of the week) Boston pitches Beckett in games 4 and 7 on full rest. Cleveland has to play tonight, even if it's raining like the early innings on Sunday night in Denver.

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

If Wakefield is healthy they have to pitch him. The Sawwx need their starters to go deep so they don't have to use their mediocre middle relievers. Wakefield has a chance to do that because he doesn't put a lot of stress on his arm. Beckett on regular rest gives him a better chance to go deep than he would on short rest.

The games are on too late, and the off days are a big mistake. People will tune out.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Here's a link to Barry's 3:30 am gamer:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/15/AR2007101500287.html?hpid=topnews

Troy Tulowitzki has a gun. He's like Zim, a plus offensive player and a gold glove defender. I think the Nats should try to find and build around players like that at short, second and center. The rest of the positions will sort themselves out.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Huh...?
... oh, guess I tuned out. The pace and times have got the best of me, and work has been picking up so I need a few more brain cells than the summer.

The rain forecast tonight changes some things, but otherwise, why not throw Beckett tonight and then Wakefield in Game 5, therefore giving Schilling and Dice-K the extra rest (or Beckett for Game 7). Of course, with the rain, I wouldn't warm up Beckett with the chance of a rain out, then to lose him for Game 5 anyway.

Congrats, Rox!

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The games are on too late, and the off days are a big mistake. People will tune out. - Bob L. Head

Posted by: ShawNatsFan | October 16, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Ordinarily I'm a big believer in the three-main rotation and three days' rest in the playoffs. Tonight, though, there's just enough of a chance of a rainout that Wakefield should get the nod.

No matter who pitches, unless the weather is absolutely hopeless, some pitcher will warm up; and if a rainout then eventuates, the Sox are unlikely to be able to use tonight's scheduled pitcher tomorrow night.

So scheduling Wakefield wins two ways if there's a rainout. Beckett's ready to go tomorrow night; and Wakefield may bounce back faster, and be ready again sooner, given the lesser strain he puts on his arm (his age, of course, must be taken into account too).

If there's not a rainout, Boston's got a respectable pitcher on the mound tonight in Wakefield (and it might not hurt a bit that he's matched against Paul Byrd), and Beckett gets full rest.

Posted by: Hendo | October 16, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

flynnie,

i stand corrected about the origin of the question. sorry, dave. still, i think that if they play tonight, they have to throw beckett. that's my argument and i'm sticking to it! i guess we'll see soon enough if francona has a change of heart.

Posted by: blueson | October 16, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Teams have started pitchers on three days' rest in game four of a Division Series 18 times since 1995. In these 18 games, the starters' collective record is 5-8 with a 6.52 ERA. In the postseason overall, starters on three days' rest have a collective record of 29-52.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Sox should start Eric Gagne, yank him after one inning (or after giving up 4 runs, whichever comes first), and remove even the hint of possibility of him blowing the game in the late innings.

Posted by: Anti-Puddy | October 16, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Last night the Tribe v. Sawx got a 7.2 tw rating, surpassing Monday night football by 4 points, even though the Giants were playing, thus tapping into the New York football market. Conspiracy theorists, if MLB calls the game tonight in the same weather that they played game 3 in Denver, it is to give Boston Beckett for games 4 and 7 on full rest, and keep the Northeast for the World Series.

Posted by: flynnie | October 16, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Congrats Rox!

Go Cleveland!

Posted by: G-town | October 16, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Indians could start me?

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Perhaps the Sox should start Eric Gagne, yank him after one inning (or after giving up 4 runs, whichever comes first), and remove even the hint of possibility of him blowing the game in the late innings.

Posted by: Borowski | October 16, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The Cleveland Plain Dealer says that Cabrera is wearing a string of beads that his wife made for him (and, yes, I should be getting back to my work now)

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1188390648188850.xml&coll=2

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"Cabrera is wearing a string of beads that his wife made for him ..."

Kind of like Seinfeld's puffy shirt. I wonder if Cabrera's wife is a low talker ...

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Cabrera is wearing a string of beads that his wife made for him ..."

What's his wife wearing (or not wearing) for him in exchange for that? If it was me, it would have to be something pretty damn good!

Posted by: Section 419 | October 16, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Now 419 is commenting on the coverage of Cabrera's wife. Figures.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

No follow-up post from Barry on last night's (or this morning's) NLCS pennant-winning game?

Posted by: Juan-John | October 16, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping Barry slept in and/or copped the first nonstop from DEN to DCA.

Posted by: Hendo | October 16, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

The rose goes in the front, big guy.

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"Cabrera is wearing a string of beads that his wife made for him ..."

What's his wife wearing (or not wearing) for him in exchange for that? If it was me, it would have to be something pretty damn good!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | October 16, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

You guys are a riot!

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Good point 506, maybe the question isn't what Cabrera's wife is wearing, but what else Cabrera is wearing!

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey, you gotta respect the streak...

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

natsfan1a: From a few posts back - my little rip at Boz was not meant to imply anything about how you decided your preferences in the ALCS and NLCS. You explained your basis, which works for you, and that's what being a fan is about. My post's main point was to focus on your second question and make an argument that just picking the low payroll does not acccount for how a franchise is run or how that payroll was built up. Admittedly, I was annoyed at Boz for the twin evil empires remark, so after making my points I did toss in the dig at him. It really did not belong in my response to your question. Just to be clear - I'm sorry if my post read like a criticism of you preferences.

Posted by: jon | October 16, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Jon to 1a: Reverse-snark.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Jon, for clarifying that.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I was supposed to snark? Are you sure that you threw down the correct signal for that, Bob L.? I thought it was two fingers for the reverse-snark?

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

1a, I was implying that Jon had reversed an earlier snark, not that you should respond with a snark (which would have been a delayed comebacker snark of sorts).

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Ohhhh, I get it. I think that I need to brush up on snark categories.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

For those in Nats withdrawal, the Peoria Javelinas, who feature Nats prospects Casto, Ivany and Maxwell, are playing this afternoon.

There's actually a Gameday feed that you can click on from the Arizona Fall League scoreboard page. Or click on the Gameday icon at this link:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/winterleagues/?league=afl

Even if you follow the game to the end, you will get to bed before midnight. I promise.

Posted by: Hendo | October 16, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Cory Casto just singled to load the bases. He'd doubled earlier in the game, and is now 2 for 3.

Posted by: Juan-John | October 16, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Cory Casto just singled to load the bases and chase the opposing pitcher from the mound in the bottom of the 6th. He's 2 for 3 on the game so far.

Posted by: Juan-John | October 16, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

sorry about the double-post. Didn't show up at first.

One of the players that followed Casto hit a grand-slam HR. They now lead the Mesas 4-1.

Posted by: Juan-John | October 16, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the AFL link, Hendo. Guess that I'm going to have to try to tweak my browser settings, as I can't get the gameday to load for me. I don't have problems with the MLB gamedays, though.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

For those wondering what a javelina might be, it's evidently officially known as a "Collared Peccary." I think I like "Peoria Javelinas" better than the Peoria Collared Peccaries," although "Peoria Peccaries" has some alliteration value.

From some random website:

"Collared Peccary is the only wild, native, pig-like animal found in the United States.

The Collared Peccary, also known as the Javelina, Tayaussa or the Musk Hog.

They are called Javelina because of their razor-sharp tusks, Spanish for javelin or spear.

You may smell a peccary before you see it.

The prickly pear is ideal food for the Collared Peccary due to its high water content.

Collared Peccary have poor eyesight and good hearing.

Collared Peccary are vulnerable to humans, pumas, coyotes, inside fastballs and offspeed pitches, but can be dangerous when cornered or ahead in the count."

(OK I may have doctored that last one a wee bit.)

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Also, the main band of storms seems to have passed through Cleveland already, so we should see baseball, and Tim Wakefield, tonight.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Bob L., for the Wild Kingdom episode and the weather forecast. :)

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I am sponsored by Mutual of Omaha and the Prevailing Westerlies.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | October 16, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

For those who may have missed it earlier this is very cool! Thanks swanni!!!

My DVR is set!

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TV Alert:

Build It Bigger
The high-def cameras observe the building of the new baseball stadium in Washington, D.C.
Discovery HD Theater, Wednesday (Oct. 17), 8 p.m.

Posted by: swanni | October 16, 2007 08:31 AM

Posted by: MKevin | October 16, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Short preview on seat installation available on the Discovery Website:

http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/build-it-bigger/build-it-bigger.html

On a personal note... nice to see that the seats should be comfortable "for the robust gentleman".

I like the whole cup-holder idea but attaching it to the back of the seat in front of you? Has anyone seen this in other parks? I've only seen the ones on the armrest. One of my personal petpeeves is the people behind me touching, pulling on, kicking etc. my seat. It bugs the ba-jeezes out of me. Not sure how much I'm going to like it. Not to mention any accidental spills are going right down the back of the person whose seat the cup-holder is attached to.

I know it sounds petty and I haven't seen it in person but at first glance I'm not a fan!

Posted by: MKevin | October 16, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Cup holders are attached to the back of the seat in front of you at Wrigley, and seemed to work just fine when I was there.

Posted by: Traveler | October 16, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Dave has a post up, folks.

Posted by: natsfan1a | October 16, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

flynnie:

October in Utrecht (sp?) is not my idea of a good time, especially with early music as the draw. Now Salzburg or Bayreuth, that's different.

Does your question suggest you are harboring thoughts of NL playoffs coming to D.C. in our lifetimes? That, folks, is the definition of an optimist.

Posted by: JohnR (VA) | October 16, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

mkevin:

Yes, I've seen this exact configuration and it works out really well. There's not much chance of getting touched by the person behind you unless you have your arm draped around the seat next to you, and it actually avoids spills by keeping cups of liquids off the ground where they get kicked when people pass you or scuffle for a foul.

Posted by: i hate walks | October 16, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

"I like the whole cup-holder idea but attaching it to the back of the seat in front of you? Has anyone seen this in other parks?"

Yeah: Oriole Park at Camden Yards (at least on the club level).

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