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Nats Killers

So we talked earlier about the idea of Nats Killers, those players who have particularly pounded this team since it arrived in Washington in 2005. Miguel Cabrera is the first person who comes to my mind, but I also immediately think of Andruw and Chipper Jones (no relation).

So I went through a bunch of the stats this afternoon, and we'll go around the horn on Nats killers.

C - Brian McCann, Braves. His OPS of .896 is highest among opposing catchers; his seven homers in 40 games seem to all be meaningful.

1B - Ryan Howard, Phillies: His 18 homers against the Nats are more than any other opponent, and more than he has hit against any other team; OPS against Nats is 1.030.

2B - Dan Uggla, Marlins: Hard not to go with Chase Utley (32 RBI in 53 games) here, but Uggla has hit some monstrous homers against Washington, and in two full seasons has 24 RBI in 35 games against the Nats.

3B - Miguel Cabrera, Marlins: Man, do third basemen kill the Nats. The Cubs' Aramis Ramirez has seven homers in 17 games against Washington. Chipper Jones is at .310/.404/.599 against the Nats. David Wright has league-high 18 doubles. But Cabrera leads all players with 56 RBI, a .411 average and a .509 OBP against Washington. That's right: He's on base more than half the time. Enjoy that, AL Central.

SS - Hanley Ramirez, Marlins: No one has played more games against the Nats than Philly's Jimmy Rollins. But Ramirez, even in just two seasons, has some killer numbers. His OPS of 1.044 against Washington trails only Edmonds, Ensberg, Cabrera, Holliday and Pujols.

OF - Andruw Jones, formerly of Braves, now of Dodgers; Matt Holliday, Rockies; Jim Edmonds, formerly of Cardinals, now of Padres: Yes, two from out of the division (and one who just departed). But Holliday's line against Washington is .388/.462/.663, with more RBI (24) than games played (20). Edmonds seems to casually kill the Nats at .370/.477/.741, with five homers and five doubles in 17 games. And Jones is an obvious choice despite his .258 average against Washington. So many of his 15 homers against the Nats have been huge.

Starting pitcher - Tim Hudson, Braves: In seven games against the Nationals, Hudson is 4-1 with a 1.07 ERA, a .207 average against and a 5-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio.

Reliever - Billy Wagner, Mets: Yes, Ryan Zimmerman torched him for the first homer of his major league career back during the opening series of 2006. And yes, San Diego's Trevor Hoffman is perfect in eight save chances against Washington, with no earned runs allowed. But Wagner has converted 15 of 16 save opportunities against the Nats with a 1.43 ERA and .213 average against.

Here are the leaders in a bunch of offensive categories against Washington from 2005-07. There's an obvious bias toward NL East players -- both in my all-killers team and in the following list. But there are some interesting and odd names, too.

Games played: Jimmy Rollins, 56; four tied at 53
Runs scored: Chipper Jones, 44; Miguel Cabrera, 43; Carlos Beltran and Jimmy Rollins, 40; Hanley Ramirez, 36
Hits: Miguel Cabrera, 78; David Wright, 70; Jimmy Rollins, 64; Chipper Jones, 58; Jose Reyes, 56
Doubles: David Wright, 18; Pat Burrell 14
Triples: Hanley Ramirez, 4; Jose Reyes and Jimmy Rollins, 3
Homers: Ryan Howard, 18; Andrew Jones, 15; Miguel Cabrera and Chipper Jones, 14; Carlos Beltran, 11
RBI: Miguel Cabrera, 56; Ryan Howard, 49; Andruw Jones, 47; Jeff Francoeur, 40; Chipper Jones, 39
Batting average: Miguel Cabrera, .411; Matt Holliday, .388; Shawn Green, .381; Jim Edmonds, .371; Todd Helton, .350
OBP: Miguel Cabrera, .509; Jim Edmonds, .477; Morgan Ensberg, 474, .Matt Holliday, 462, Albert Pujols, .453
Slugging pct.: Jim Edmonds, .741; Morgan Ensberg, .738; Aramis Ramirez, .698; Miguel Cabrera, .689; Matt Holliday, .633
OPS: Jim Edmonds, 1.218; Morgan Ensberg, 1.211; Miguel Cabrera, 1.198; Matt Holliday, 1.124; Albert Pujols, 1.053

Other stuff: The reliable Tracy Ringolsby of the Rocky Mountain News had a small item in his notes column saying Livan Hernandez's reps are telling teams that Livo has an offer on the table from the Nats. I'm told that the Nats, in fact, do not have an offer for Hernandez. In fact, unless the bottom falls out of the pitching market (unlikely), I think the Nats are going into the season with the kids battling it out. (And by "kids" I mean Bergmann and Hill and Chico and Lannan and Detwiler and Hanrahan and Balester and Mock and Clippard, though there's obviously room for the 30-and-over set of Redding or Patterson.)

Santana: Deadline's at 5 p.m., but there's no reason to believe this trade won't happen. Perhaps we should do a post on the impact this has on the division. I'll get the staff to work on that.

That's it for now. Man, with that rain coming down, it sure makes spring training seem appealing, no?

By Barry Svrluga  |  February 1, 2008; 12:20 PM ET
 
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No suprise that all the 'total numbers' category (Runs, RBIS, HR, etc...) are NL East players who play the Nats 18 gmaes per season while most of the average category (BA, OBP, SLG, etc...) are non-NL East players . In fact now that Cabrera has left, all of the average category leaders are non NL-East.

Posted by: NatBisquit | February 1, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

or "18 games per season" (not 18 gmaes)

Posted by: NatBisquit | February 1, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go with Uggla over Utley, if only because the Nats have given as good as they got from Utley, not to be too cold about it.

Posted by: CE | February 1, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

or 'surprise'

Posted by: Anonymous | February 1, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Other stuff: The reliable Tracy Ringolsby of the Rocky Mountain News had a small item in his notes column saying Livan Hernandez's reps are telling teams that Livo has an offer on the table from the Nats. I'm told that the Nats, in fact, do not have an offer for Hernandez."
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Unless, by "offer on the table" you mean the time Bodes told them "$10 MILLION!?? Drop a zero, and we'll talk!"

Posted by: Anonymous | February 1, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

gotta love the add on the rightside of this page. WIZARDS....in HD!

Posted by: longterm | February 1, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the emphasis on homers and I don't like how this list was classified by position. I prefer a "top 10" list. I would much rather have a homer hit against me, than a high BA. No surprise Ryan Howard hits all those homers off Nats pitching at Citizens Bank Park. Just saying if the opposing team had a guy on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs, I would rather have Ryan Howard up than have Shawn Green up who bats .381 against us.

Posted by: NatsFan | February 1, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"I would much rather have a homer hit against me, than a high BA."

Hi there.

Posted by: Sample Size | February 1, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

... stats which are all very interesting Barry. Thanx. But now that we've tasted the sour bile of defeatism, how about shining the bright light of a new day on us fans, and doing the same exercise with those players who perform well elsewhere, but whom the Nats have been admirably able to keep in check?

Posted by: natscan reduxit | February 1, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

No, sorry, I gotta go with giving up a single, inside the park, over getting taken out.

Posted by: Runs Scored | February 1, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I got a Camry ad. Is that because I said I don't have a TV?
I don't have a car, either.

Posted by: CE | February 1, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I got an ad for the root, whatever that is. It also says, appropriately enough, go deep.

Posted by: natsfan1a | February 1, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

But the ad changed after the pause that refreshes...

Posted by: natsfan1a | February 1, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, I currently have a Mason Nation ad on the side.

Wow, we're plumbing the depths here.

Posted by: faNATic | February 1, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

No wonder it always feels like we're losing to the Fish.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | February 1, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

what are these "ads" you speak of? firefox is great. ;)

Posted by: 231 | February 1, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

With this cold and rainy Friday, I can't help but daydream of the quiet murmur of fans passing time inning by inning in Space Coast stadium, while the warm sunshine (remember that?!) tans my kneecaps and forearms.

And then, in sharp contrast to the antics of a dirty, chicken-looking mascot or a t-shirt cannon, two pitchers go jogging left, then right across the outfield warning track.

Perhaps a cloud briefly passes overhead while an opposing righty vainly makes a pickoff attempt to first, but the crowd remains quiet -- almost thankful to the opposing pitcher for nervously extending the game and thus the lounging in the sunshine.

Oh man, that's going to be so nice. so nice.

Posted by: i hate walks | February 1, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I noticed the same thing - a lot of Marlins on that list. Yet, if you go back a few posts, you are reminded that the Fish were the only NL East team against whom that Nats had a winning record.

I think it's because the above-mentioned players really poured it on in the Florida wins. Remember last April? Ick.

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No wonder it always feels like we're losing to the Fish.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 1, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Not even an honorable mention for Khalil Greene?

Posted by: tomterp | February 1, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

FYI a comment from MASN on HD - bottom line still nothing for sure and inbetween the lines - only the preseason game on ESPN will be the only time we see our beloved Nats in HD this season - except for the optomist in me that will see them in the Divional Playoffs, LCS and WS in glorious HD (but for a grand total of only 11 games as they sweep all the series). "I Have A Dream"!!!!

MASN: Still Working On HDTV In 2008

The network is the last holdout in offering high-def broadcasts of Major League Baseball.

By Swanni

Washington, D.C. (February 1, 2008) -- MASN, which has the broadcast rights to the Washington Nationals and Baltimore Orioles, says it's still working to air "some" games in High-Definition during the 2008 season.

MASN's lack of HD coverage to date has become both a local and national issue for baseball fans. As of now, the Orioles and Nats are the only two Major League Baseball teams that will not be broadcast locally in High-Definition during the 2008 season.

Many Nats and O's fans have expressed their displeasure on baseball message boards -- and in e-mails sent to TVPredictions.com.

But Todd Webster, a MASN spokesman, told TVPredictions.com today that the regional sports network is still talking to cable and satellite operators about providing high-def coverage this season.

"We're still planning for some (Nats and O's) games (in HD) this season," he said. "We're working with the affiliates (cable and satellite operators) to expand their capability for (MASN in HD.)

But Webster acknowledged that "not much has changed in the last six months" in those discussions. "But we are still trying to work it out."

The regional sports network told the Baltimore Sun last year that it might offer high-def coverage of the Nats and Orioles this year. But today, less than two months before the 2008 season begins, the network has still not announced its high-def plans.

Every other MLB team has already announced that its regional sports network will provide some games in high-def this year, including the Kansas City Royals, which were not broadcast locally in high-def last year.

Webster said it's still possible that MASN could make a HD announcement by Opening Day.

In the past, MASN has said it has not offered the two teams in high-def because it did not have a dedicated HD channel.

However, the sports network could broadcast some games in high-def and offer them to cable and satellite providers who in turn could show them on their HD channels. It could also launch a high-def simulcast channel and ask the cable and satellite operators to carry it.

In addition, MASN could offer some HD games to Washington area station WDCA (channel 20), which can transmit in high-def. The sports network has shown standard-definition Nationals games on WDCA during the past three seasons.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/masn020108.htm

Posted by: HD Nats Fan | February 1, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

lovely, IHW, just lovely

Posted by: natsfan1a | February 1, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I must not have my Firefox correctly configured because I can see them (ads, not dead people).

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what are these "ads" you speak of? firefox is great. ;)

Posted by: the depths | February 1, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

the depths, go to this URL and load up adblock plus.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865

that will take care of ads. and if any don't get caught, you can add them to the block list manually.

Posted by: 231 | February 1, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

thanks, 231

Posted by: c'est moi | February 1, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

woo hoo - it works! Thanks again, 231.

Posted by: natsfan1a | February 1, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

On the note expressed above by natscan, I was wondering if there are any NATS who (wishful thinking alert) over-perform against any of our rival teams? Would any of our guys go on a "______ killers" list?

Posted by: JennX | February 1, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. If memory serves, MASN is owned by the Angelos' & the Nats. My cable net (RCN) provides MASN in one of their HD slots. I have to assume that any other cable net can. I know that some of the nets fudge their HD channels, switching from one to the other feed.

So...If MASN (Angelos) pushed it probably shouldn't be difficult to provide HD service and then the individual cable nets could be pushed by their customers to make sure that those games are on HD.

I think that I understand this process and have it right, but I may be in error. Can someone tell me if my understanding is wrong?

Posted by: Catcher50 | February 1, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Would any of our guys go on a "______ killers" list?"

I doubt that the Yankees like Ryan Zimmerman too much. Fortunately for them they don't face him very often.

Posted by: Section 419+1 | February 1, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

419+1, that's precisely who I was thinking of as well. He's also made it painful for the Cubs and Fish, at least in terms of game-winning hits.

In terms of pure heartbreak for other teams regardless of cumulative statistics against them (mainly because I don't want to look them up right now), Zimmerman's the man.

Posted by: faNATic | February 1, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Catcher 50,
There's some truth to what you say. Usually, a regional sports network decides to launch a HD simulcast network -- and then, at some point, the cable and satellite guys decide (or decide not) to carry it.

But before launching the HD channel, the regional sports channel usually gets a heads-up from the cable and satellite guys as to whether they will carry it. That's what seems to be happening now with MASN. They are trying to determine if anyone would carry it before going through the trouble of launching it.

Which makes me wonder if there's a problem with Comcast, dating back to MASN taking the O's broadcast rights away from Comcast Sports Net. Perhaps Comcast is being tough in the HD negotiations.

Posted by: swanni | February 1, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"the internet is like a pipe . . ." to quote a senator on telecommunications and one of my favorite Daily Show reports.

The problem is bandwith on Cable systems. I can't speak to RCN, but Comcast has pretty much maxed out its bandwidth for adding HD channels until it can get rid of all the analogue channels that disappear by law in 2/2009. Therefore adding a MASN HD on Commcast is not just a flip of the switch - they'd have to create the bandwidth and there are cost on that. Given that Comcast in the dominate cable provider and is probably not saying "MASN please give us another HD Channel" there is no real incentive for MASN to add one - because in the end they can just blame Comcast "We were going to do it but Comcast won't have room until 2009 season". My guess is the same applies to RCN and Cox - both of whom use coax cable system. However, Verizon FiOS (fiber optic) and DirecTV (satellite) can add the channel right now - it really is almost a "flip the switch" thing for them. But sense Verizon and DirecTV have a smaller penetration in the market - MASN will probably ride out that complaint.

Also the problem is futher compounded when you have similtaneous or overlapping home games in B'more and DC. Remember that suddenly adds in MASN2. So to have all home games in HD you'd have to have MASN HD and MASN 2 HD - futher complicating the picture for Comcast, RCN and Cox.

Of course the real solution is to get one of the local channels (4,5,7,9, 20 or 50) to carry the games in HD. They already broadcast in HD so it just be carrying the feed from the stadium - no capacity issues for the cable companies as they already carry those HD feeds. Of course prempting prime time is a huge deal for the major networks. The solution we should push for temporarily is having 20 or 50 carry weekend and friday night games in HD.

Posted by: HD Nats Fan | February 1, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

As for the Livo "offer," I think Tracy Ringolsby's item is right. The difference in his report and Barry's report is that the Nats have not made an "official" offer.

Livo has been waiting on the Mets, who have been waiting on the Santana deal. Consequently, Livo has told the Nats that there's no point in making an offer until that situation plays out.

If the Mets sign Santana, then I think the Nats (and maybe someone else) will quickly make a real offer, which Livo will likely sign before pitchers and catchers report.

Posted by: swanni | February 1, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Channel 20 would be the (relatively) easy solution for the Nats in HD. However, DIRECTV would likely add MASN HD in a heartbeat -- particularly if the cable guys were dragging their feet.

Posted by: swanni | February 1, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

one more thing about HD ... not only does the cable carrier/satellite provider need to add the MASN HD and MASN2 HD, but in order for the games to be broadcast in HD they must first be shot in HD with HD equipment.

So, even if Comcast/DirecTV/etc adds in the HD channels, we won't be watching the games in true HD until MASN converts all their recording equipment from SD to HD. Any word on when/if MASN has the capability to shoot in HD?

Posted by: e | February 1, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

". . . though there's obviously room for the 30-and-over set of Redding or Patterson."

No room for Bacsik, huh? Pity... whom will they pick on over at Capitol Punishment? (Oh, right, there's still Redding. Plus Adrian Alaniz, when he gets promoted to the bigs, although he's not *quite* that old yet.)

Posted by: Hendo | February 1, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I have noticed that not all Wizards games are presented in HD on Comcast (at least not on Verizon FIOS). Not even all home games on Comcast 1. It seems pretty random. It's not clear to me (accidental pun) that the cameras, network, cable provider are the problem. I'd love to learn what is the root cause.

And who feeds the HD scoreboard at the ballpark? Are those cameras 100% separate from the MASN camera's? What about the hundreds of HD TVs throughout the ballpark that will be carrying the MASN feed? Will they be dependent on MASN cameras?

Posted by: NatBisquit | February 1, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The new stadium will be ready for HD -- in fact, guess what, so was RFK. HDNet, Mark Cuban's channel, aired DC United home games in high-def.

Posted by: swanni | February 1, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Hendo-

I am sure you noticed that Alaniz did not end up on the Nats' top 30 prospects list per Baseball America. The team must be getting deeper if he couldn't make it after such an auspicious start. I grant that he is older than the other Lake Monsters, but maybe he has a chance to rise through the system.

Posted by: Two more weeks | February 1, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

IHW, last year I wondered what gives with the guys running in the outfield warning track at Viera. It's just a warm up or for exercise or something? Just something they can do there that they can't once the season starts? C'mon spring training!

Posted by: Section 109 (old Section 406) | February 1, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not an athlete, I'm a baseball player!"

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IHW, last year I wondered what gives with the guys running in the outfield warning track at Viera. It's just a warm up or for exercise or something?
Posted by: Section 109 (old Section 406) | February 1, 2008 03:42 PM

Posted by: John Kruk | February 1, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Man, Andruw Jones. Late in 2005, when all we could hear about was how impossible it was to hit homers at RFK, the Braves came to town and Andruw hit like five home runs in three games.

Posted by: Carl | February 1, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Ever notice the big 18 wheelers parked outside the stadium? Those are the TV production trucks (Be they Standard Definion (SD) or High Definition Trucks (HD). In most (but not all) instances the RSN (Regional Sports Network like CSN, MASN) either own and/or lease those trucks from various production companies. Comcast mid atlantic happens to own 2 or 3 HD trucks. They generally rotate them around the various venues in the mid-atlantic to carry games in HD. That is why some Wizards games are in HD, others are not - it depends if the HD truck was available. And generally they only send the truck to home games. That is why you don't see many road games in HD (unless there is another Comcast production unit carrying the game and they provide the feed back to Comcast). Other RSNs generally contract with the production companies to provide the equipment for games (particularly road games and that is why nearly all road games are in SD - that and there is finite number of HD production trucks for lease). The contract may stipulate a certain # of games will be in HD.

It is rare that the TV side of production will leave the cameras in place at the stadium. On off nights the cameras aren't making any money for anyone. So the production company may do a 3 game home stand in DC, then head to Baltimore or somewhere else. A great example is in the winter. The guys who do the Sunday NFL games, will then be on their way to Chapel Hill to do a Basketball game, or then off to NASCAR event, etc.

It is all about money and the best way to make money if you are an HD camera/production unit is to have an event each night.

Also you'll often see two sets of trucks at a game because the home and away teams RSN rarely share a feed from the same production - they use their own - just like the teams use their own announcers.

As for the scoreboard an Nats Stadium - my guess is they will have some amount of HD Cameras but again they may be leased specifically for that purpose. Or their feed only goes to the score board - not the production truck outside. And if the production truck is not HD it doesn't even matter if they took the feed or not.

There was a rumor last summer that MASN had ordered some HD equipment but it was never confirmed. There are also organizations that corridinate leasing the HD Productions trucks. It might be interesting to see what they say if a reporter calls and ask if they've leased any HD truck to MASN.

Posted by: HD Nats Fan | February 1, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"The same can be said of Patterson.

(Sorry JP's mom.)

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Watching Livo cough up a few runs in the top of the first can be pretty trying.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 1, 2008 01:46 PM"

I have no idea why you wrote that. When Patterson's arm is right he doesn't give up many - if any - runs in the first inning. I think you were just indulging in Patterson bashing to make Barry happy!

Posted by: jpsfanandproudofit | February 1, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, jpsfan? Did you really go dig that out of the previous post just to offer that predictable-to-the-point-of-ridiculous response? If you really have no sense of humor-- as it seems you don't-- and the author of the blog is soooo incredibly biased against your #1-BFF-for-life John Patterson... Why do you even visit this site? I'm genuinely curious.

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I have no idea why you wrote that. When Patterson's arm is right he doesn't give up many - if any - runs in the first inning. I think you were just indulging in Patterson bashing to make Barry happy!

Posted by: jpsfanandproudofit | February 1, 2008 04:25 PM

Posted by: JennX | February 1, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I made that comment because, when he gives up runs, he tends to do so in the first inning. I was going to rely on anecdotal evidence to back my claim, but I figured it was high time I got my hands dirty.

With ink, anyway.

I went through all of JP's starts from 2005 to 2007 and looked at opposition runs scored in the first versus opposition runs scored throughout the remainder of his outing. Here's what I got:

In 2005, he averaged .516 runs in the first inning and .323 runs/innings thereafter.

2006:.625 runs/1st inning, .466 runs/innings thereafter.

2007: 1 run/1st inning, .788 runs/innings thereafter.

These stats may not be perfect. I didn't go inning by inning, sure. But looking at these games, it sure seems like my hunch was right.

But I'm not bashing the guy, really. Actually, looking back at those 2005 games, it's easy to see why it's easy to get excited about the idea of a healthy Patterson. He really had some gems that season (and could have gone with a little more run support).

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 1, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Patterson, what does Barry have against the guy? He refuses to offer his congratulations to John and Shannon Patterson, even though he was aware of the marriage and has congratulated every other Nats couple who was married in the past few months, including Bergmannn who will be married in February. Why is he being so churlish towards the Pattersons? Since Barry won't, if you would like to offer your best wishes to the happy couple, go to shannon-john.com where you can sign their guest book and see photos of the wedding.

Posted by: what'swithBarry? | February 1, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Right on about JP in 2005, John. I remember one particularly nice outing of his that defied the pattern you describe -- for what it was worth, which turned out not to be much.

In August of that year I had to go to New York to call on a client. The trip to Shea beckoned irresistably, so when the work day was done, off I went to see Patterson battle Jae Seo on August 19.

Talk about anticlimax. JP poured it on for seven great innings, yielding but one run; alas, that was one more than Seo gave up in eight, and Braden Looper scored a save in the closeout. Also anticlimactically, Nats-killer Jose Reyes had a perfect 4-for-4 night at bat and was 3-for-4 in stolen base attempts, but didn't score the Mets' lone run -- that was by Ramon Castro in the seventh.

I got a fair -- and surprising -- amount of sympathy on the train back to Manhattan. (Looper was not especially loved by Met fans, despite his logging 28 saves that season and an ERA under 4.)

If our slugger dudes can turn it on and his arm stays healthy, Patterson -- and we -- could enjoy a fun year at Nats Park in 2008. Here's hoping.

Posted by: Hendo | February 1, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

If you had gone game by game in 2005, you would see that he improved greatly after the first few games of the season. As his confidence increased, the runs given up in the first inning decreased. Also, I think that the stats for 2006 and, especially 2007 do not give a true picture. In 2006, his arm was hurting most of the time, but he still managed to pitch a few good games. However,in 2007 it appears that his arm must have been throbbing in every game he pitched and he only managed to pitch 2 good games, one that he should have won, and the other that he did win when he out-pitched Jake Peavy. He did give up first inning runs in most of those games but I maintain that he would not have done that had his arm not been hurting. I certainly agree with you that "it's easy to see why it's easy to get excited about the idea of a healthy Patterson" He could easily have won 15-18 games with a little better run support.

Glad to know that you weren't bashing him - Barry seems to encourage that.

Posted by: jpsfanandproudofit | February 1, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I did go game by game, and he certainly did seem to settle in as the season wore on. There were some great games in there, some of which I had the pleasure of seeing in person.

It sounds like Hendo did, too.

I know a lot gets lost in the numbers. Yes, he's more likely to let in a run in the first inning than the other innings. But in some of those cases in 2005, the first inning was the only one in which the opposition scored.

I included the 2006 and 2007 numbers because, in reality, that is very big part of what he is to the Nationals fans, FO, and coaching staff. We should absolutely put them next to his 2005 numbers because the juxtaposition is what makes this situation so frustrating.

If I recall correctly, Loaiza actually had worse run support than Patterson, if you can believe that.

I still don't buy the idea of Barry bashing Patterson, however. It really doesn't fit into his MO.

Posted by: John in Mpls | February 1, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

OK, so I was (sort of) right about the ability to go HD. Since there is, essentially, no regulation on what channels the providers use for which HD channel, there is really no reason for a Cable net not to broadcast (oops, provide) for MASN HD, if the games were fed in that format.

OTOH, HD NatsFan brought up an interesting reminder. As I understand it, barring a sliding date from the Feds, much of the equipment on the non-HD trucks is probably analog. As such, it will be useless beyond next January. It does make some economic sense to "preserve" the newer HD equipment and wear-out the soon to be obsolete analog stuff. But maybe that is just making P.A. out to be a mean-spirited, nasty S.o.B.

Or am I being too hard on the little twerp.

Posted by: Catcher50 | February 1, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Loaiza did have the worst run support of the Nationals pitchers in 2005. I believe Patterson had the 7th worst in the National League and Loaiza's was 3rd worst or something like that. Patterson allowed 2 runs or less 20 times in 31 starts. Obviously he should have won more than 9 games.

Comparing 06 and 07 with 05 is only valid if it is clearly understood that he was injured in both 06 and 07. I agree that the situation is extremely frustrating and is bound to be even more so to Patterson himself!

Posted by: jpsfanandproudofit | February 1, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

put levale speigner down under the "Santana Killers" post

Posted by: love | February 1, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks HD Fan. I appreciate the detailed information. Now I don't need the .35/.50 write up. (Just kidding, .... sort of .... no really I'll keep paying, but Post coverage on MASN would be very much appreciated)

Posted by: NatBisquit | February 1, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Santana has signed on to be a Nat-killer with the Mets, which opens the door for the Bedard negotiations to end, and for the rest of the pitchers to sign.

The Mets no longer need Livan Hernandez. C'mon home, Livo.

Posted by: Positively Half St. (13 more days) | February 2, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

"C'mon home, Livo"

... I agree, let's get Livan back in the fold. I'd love to see that pear-shaped torso standing atop the mound along the Anancostia.

... but ... 'pear-shaped'? That brings up a question I've entertained for years. Are the bodies of professional baseball players in the worst condition of all pro sports? Are round ball players or hockey or football players, or soccer players in much better shape that diamond dandies? My vote is " Yes".

... I look at my man Ronnie B. or Manny Ramirez or Matt Stairs. Or Andy Pettitte or David Wells or Eric Gagne or Carlos Zambrano or a whole passel of pitchers. Or Dmitri or any number of first basemen. Now I know images can lie, and I know baseball doesn't always require a well-tuned physique as much as other sports might. But it seems to me there is a lot of clubhouse scarfing going on - maybe more than riding bikes in the weight room.

... if I'm right, it could explain why MLB seemed (seems) to have a larger problem with PEDs than other pro leagues.

Posted by: natscan reduxit | February 2, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

HD t.v. would certainly be a welcome addition, but Charlie Slowes is essential to those who can't see every game. Please bring him back for radio broadcasts.

Posted by: Section 223 | February 2, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Whether he's athletic or not, what impact would adding Hernandez have on this staff? Having just crunched a bunch of Baseball Prospectus PECOTA numbers, I see a GHF/GHE outcome.

First, given today's 40-man roster, here would be the rotation in descending order of Win Expectation above Replacement Level:

Hill
Bergmann
Patterson
Redding
Chico

Assuming that Livo would project the same at Nats Park as at Chase Field, adding him to the mix would produce this list:

Hill
Hernandez
Bergmann
Patterson
Redding

If you don't care for an all-RHP rotation, you could drop Redding and add Chico back on. (Or maybe Bacsik, if only to stir up the bloggists over at Capitol Punishment. Lannan? Detwiler? Probably not.)

That's the Glass Half Full. The Glass Half Empty is that, in any event, my number-crunching doesn't see the addition of Hernandez making a huge difference, perhaps adding one win. With all due respect to Livo, we're not talking Haren or Santana here.

But a win's a win. And give the man a bit of first-inning luck, and some run support (which, lest we forget, he can help with his own bat), and who knows?

Posted by: Hendo | February 2, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

natscan: i remember watching Livo pitch against the Nats last year at RFK and thinking that he's relatively trim and he must be in a contract year.

I'd love to get him here, but "you can never step in the same stream twice"

Posted by: i hate walks | February 2, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Are the bodies of professional baseball players in the worst condition of all pro sports? Are round ball players or hockey or football players, or soccer players in much better shape that diamond dandies? "

Ever seen an offensive lineman without pads on? Even with pads on (which tend to emphasize the shoulders w.r.t. the gut and the butt) many of them look seriously gut-heavy. Without pads, pretty much all of them do. Those guys are huge, and it ain't all muscle.

Now of course basketball players, hockey players, soccer players, football receivers and defensive backs have to be in shape. They're running (or skating) constantly. But hey, quarterbacks don't have to be in shape. Remember Sonny "Jelly Belly" Jurgensen? He's in the Hall of Fame with that gut!

Posted by: Section 419+1 | February 2, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Here is an extended interview with Mike Rizzo from 1/26/08. The guys doing the interview are clearly amatuers, but this extended interview has a few nuggets worth listening to. You just have to suffer a little banter before they get to Rizzo:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/baseballdigestdaily

Posted by: Positively Half St. (13 more days) | February 2, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

New post.

Posted by: Hendo | February 2, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: natsfan1a | February 2, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Livo Needs to come back if not why can't they dish out 4 mil for fogg or trachel? or maby they c an get brian roberts and i'll be happy.

Posted by: dj 26 | February 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

ops forgot about garcia and colon or even benson just someone please Would'nt that be good Hill Bergman Colon/garcia/tracsel/fogg/livo/benson Redding Chico

Posted by: dj 26 | February 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

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