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Lineups vs. Cardinals

Sorry this is late. We're about to get under way here.

Guzman -- 6
Milledge -- 8
B. Boone -- DH
Dukes -- 9
Langerhans -- 7
Belliard -- 4
Whitesell -- 3
Flores -- 2
Orr -- 5

Lannan -- 1

St. Louis:
Brian Barton -- 8
Joe Mather -- 7
Albert Pujols -- 3
Troy Glaus -- 5
Juan Gonzalez -- DH
Yadier Molina -- 2
Ryan Ludwick -- 9
Cesar Izturis -- 6
Aaron Miles -- 4
Mike Parisi -- 1

Apparently the club sold 40,000 single-game tickets yesterday. So only 2.7 million more to go to match the 2005 season.

By Barry Svrluga  |  March 5, 2008; 1:05 PM ET
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Wow, Bret Boone vs Juan Gone for DH supremacy. It's 1999 right?

Posted by: Gibby | March 5, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Snarky Barry is in the house. Yes, the Nats sold 40K seats yesterday, but that's on top of the estimated 18,000 Full Season Equivalents that Stan has quoted, that's 1.458M, plus an extra 21K in the presales for the Opener and you are already up to 1.519M, needing only an additional $1.582 tickets to get to 2005 levels.

Posted by: Section 114, Row E | March 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

WTOP says that the Nats are up 3-0 in the top of the 1st.

Posted by: natsfan1a | March 5, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"So only 2.7 million more to go to match the 2005 season."

Wow. Barry is apparently actively courting the wrath of Scooter Boy and Stan the Plan. Brave man.

Posted by: joebleux | March 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Dukes with a 2-run triple!!

Posted by: e | March 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

To answer a question from the previous thread, yes, I really do hope Nick Johnson is gone in 2010. Nothing against him or Meat (who I also said I hoped wasn't starting), but I hope for a 22 year-old gold glove first baseman.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | March 5, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Keep it up, Elijah!

Posted by: Positively Half St. | March 5, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Trying to interpret the box scores

Guzman - Single
Milledge - ROE
Boone - Out
Dukes - Triple - 2 RBIs
Langerhans - Single - RBI
Belliard - 4-6-3 DP

Posted by: Diz | March 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

506 - I don't particularly care if Marrero is a golden glover. That's who you had in mind? I agree that if Marrero is on target for the majors in '09 - '10, then Nick would be an asset to be moved / let go as an FA.

Posted by: jon (lower case) | March 5, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow, lots to comment on today.

JayB -- I think your baseball-related comments are generally welcome, some of us (myself included) get a bit tired of the Post-bashing that sometimes creeps in here. It is what it is.

Type II -- thanks for the contribution. It does seem that some diabetes medications cause weight gain so I'm not inclined to hold that against Meat Hook, and I agree with those who have said he looks about the same as last year. I'm a little less sure about why he would not have picked up a bat in the offseason, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the present.

The cuts -- Detwiler is the only mild surprise. But I suspect that the performance of Perez, plus the possible addition of another FA starter (who may well be a LHP), led them to conclude that he would not have to be rushed to the majors. I think that's the right move.

Promotions of Carr and Desmond -- with respect to Carr, we have bullpen depth to deal so perhaps this is a way of checking whether he can fill the spot occupied by one of our veteran relievers if we deal one away. Baseball America says he could be a setup guy in the majors by midseason so he's not far off.

As for Desmond, BA rates him as our #14 prospect and says the following:

"Desmond was developing slowly but steadily before Washington rushed him to Double-A in 2006, and he struggled mightily and took a full year to get back on track. He was sent back to high Class A in 2007 and batted just .239 before the all-star break, though the National insist it was the hardest .239 you'll ever see. He worked hard to get his hands into a good hitting position and let balls on the outer half [of the plate] travel farther before he knocked them to the opposite field. In the second half, he also made progress turning on inside fastballs and laying off breaking balls in the dirt, and it all clicked in August, when he batted .362/.455/.574. He also drew 57 walks -- 23 more than his previous season high -- illustrating his new, more patient approach. Desmond's quick hands generate plenty of bat speed, which translates into gap power and still could lead to average home run pop. He's a very good defensive shortstop with plus range and arm strength, and he has improved at keeping his focus to make routine plays. He has become a very smart baserunner with average speed. He's a confident, hard-working player whose professional manner is contagious. Desmond still has plenty of work to do at the plate, where his stance is too spread out, causing him to dip and get underneath the ball at times. But he's finally ready for Double-A and still has a chance to be Washington's shortstop of the future. After all, he's still just 22." Lots to like in there.

Ticket problems -- evidently they sold 4000 tickets in 6 minutes. It seems to me that if you have a system that can handle that kind of load, it's a pretty good one. Why would you have a system that could handle any more than that? When would you need it? Demand far outstripped supply, there was no technological glitch, just not enough tickets to go around. I understand why some folks on partial plans, or folks who share season tickets with a group, are disappointed that not everyone in their group can get OD tickets. In fact, I am one of those people. However, I don't think it would be fair to sell all of the OD tickets to ST holders -- perfectly fair to make 4500 tickets available to the general public, in fact, that's a pretty small number it seems to me. Would it be nice if all of the people that bought those tickets were true Nats fans that planned on attending the game themselves, as opposed to turning a profit online? Yes. But I'm not sure how you police that. Also, the paper says 400 $5 seats have been reserved and will be sold on a first-come, first served basis on OD.

Finally I enjoyed the posts by "Lerners are cheap" in an earlier thread, and I thought Los Doce Ocho had some good points about Jimbo's pursuit of pitching, well said.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | March 5, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Where's Zimmerman?

Is this part of the Nats' plans to limit his at-bats, or is this another one of those split-squad thingies?

Posted by: Juan-John | March 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear Desmond's coming around. I remember watching him play Hawaii Winter Ball a couple years ago on MASN and being thoroughly underwhelmed.

Posted by: Juan-John | March 5, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Granted, they've only played a handful of games but with L-Millz and Elijah swinging it the way they are, JimBo's resolution to get The Weapon 500+ AB's (which I agree with), and AK being Manny's Ambien - we have quit the jam indeed.

I love him and think he's an absolute heckuva player but if Kearnsy doesn't start swinging it like the other fellas he may well be on the trading block. Jim makes those calls, not Manny.

Wow, I love this depth - who would've thunk we'd be dealing with this problem when 365 days ago we were looking to Larry Broadway, Nook, and Kory Casto to take the field.

Posted by: Corey | March 5, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Desmond being promoted is intriguing. His glove is excellent. Heck, he's pushed Smiley and Stephen King over to second base. I agree with BP that he was a little rushed early on. He's still young (I think he's 21) and right in line with what his pace should be (Carolina League results last year).
He's not gonna stick, that much is obvious (barring a trade of some sort), but it's good for him to get some time with the big leaguers. Brian over at NFA has him ranked as the number 10 hitter in our organization.

Posted by: Section 138 | March 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Desmond is 22 - he'll turn 23 in September. I didn't realize he was that young. I'd like to see what he can do with his time in the major league camp this Spring.

I say that if he impresses, we officially refer to him as "Diamond" Ian Desmond. If enough of us say it, it just might stick.

Posted by: John in Mpls | March 5, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"Ticket problems -- evidently they sold 4000 tickets in 6 minutes. It seems to me that if you have a system that can handle that kind of load, it's a pretty good one. "

The problem is that the system did not handle the load in the way that it should have in order to be considered a "pretty good one". If the game was indeed sold out in 6 minutes, then people should not have been bounced around in virtual waiting rooms or led to believe that they were having the chance to purchase specific seats that were then snatched away from them for an hour or more after the last ticket was sold, as many people have reported happened to them. A system that works like that is a piss-poor system, even if it does manage to sell 4,000 tickets in 6 minutes.

Posted by: Section 419+1 | March 5, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

repeating my remarks in an earlier post:

would it have killed the Nats to have only OD tix go on sale yesterday, then have all the other games go on sale today? Is it possible that some of us were in virtual waiting room hell because some folks were trying to purchase tix for a Cubs or Orioles game? Maybe there would have been a little less traffic if the Nats had staggered the sale of OD and regular game tix.

Posted by: e | March 5, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Should have used the phone. Thanks to Stan the Man, I had that number drilled into my head and got four tix. I was also on the computer, but like everyone else, got nothing but the waiting room.

Posted by: pondaz | March 5, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"I hope for a 22 year-old gold glove first baseman"

Then where am I going to play?

Posted by: fake Chris Marrero | March 5, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

e, That's the most constructive idea I've heard yet about the ticket problem yesterday.


Posted by: NatsNut | March 5, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I tried the phone when the javascript wouldn't work on my work computer, the line was busy at 9:01.

I appreciate the concept behind the free market defense of Stub Hub, but you can't resell individual fruit roll-ups on the free market, so what makes tickets to a game un-regulate-able? Quite a new word, eh?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | March 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

e that's a great idea!!! I was one of those people waiting for Cubs Tickets and not Opening Day Tickets. I was really frustrated but I finally got the extra Cubs Tickets I wanted.

Posted by: NatsFan | March 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

mmmm, fruit roll-ups. yum.

Posted by: e | March 5, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"AK being Manny's Ambien ..."

Good one, Corey.

419, yeah, fair point on keeping everyone in limbo for half an hour, the result of putting OD tix on sale at the same time as all others. Which, of course, leads one to e's solution, looks like that would have been a sensible approach.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | March 5, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Um, what about the 18,000 season-ticket equivalents that have already been sold? That means your starting point is already at nearly 1.5 million. With a 41,000-seat ballpark, they would max out at 3.3 million.

Posted by: Cosmo | March 5, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Resale of tickets to the games is regulated, Stub Hub is the only official outside broker for Nats tickets. While everyone knows there are other sellers, that's an enforcement issue not regulatory. Also, if there were only 41,000 fruit roll-ups and 100,000 people wanted one, I'm sure some would be marked up out on the free market too. There is only so much you can do to ensure that tickets get to fans, some of it is outside the realm of reasonable controls.

Posted by: NoVA Nat | March 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

i'll be the first to say it. our outfield problems have been solved.

"Double D" Diamond Desmond has a rifle for an arm. a couple years ago he was one of the reasons baseball america considered middle infield depth our greatest organizational asset. of course there wasn't much competetion...

i'm completely fine with keeping Nick at first for the next two years. no need to rush marrero either.

this team has legitimate depth. bowden deserves much more credit than he is getting.

i think manny is smart just locking milledge in the two-hole every day. i'd like to hear "centerfield and batting 2nd, Lastings Milledge" for the next couple years. elijah is a monster. time to get used to it.

oh and i'm still happy we don't have livan on the team. the moves we do make are working fine. just can't wait to settle out the catchers.

Posted by: longterm | March 5, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I also tried the phone but got nothing but busy signals from 9 a.m. on.

Posted by: natsfan1a | March 5, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

e's approach to OD is the best I've heard so far. Heck of lot better than Stan's and Chartese Burnett's all out 6 minute Cluster F.

Posted by: Section 505/203 | March 5, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

With a 41,000-seat ballpark, they would max out at 3.3 million.

Posted by: Cosmo | March 5, 2008 02:47 PM

Actually, 41,222... so we're talking 3,338,982...

Posted by: OldGuy (in pedant mode) | March 5, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Church is coming back slowly from his injury, apparently:

Posted by: Positively Half St. | March 5, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

OMB it's Gameday (a WNFF member turned up a link)!

Posted by: natsfan1a | March 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Cosmo, with the 18,000 STEs and the 40,000 single-game tickets yesterday, the Nats have already reached the 1.49 million mark.

1,498,000, to be more precise.

That leaves 1,233,993 more tickets to reach 2005's attendance of 2,731,993. That's an additional 15,235 tickets per home game.

That's basically asking the Park to be about 82.25% full every night (or at least to have sold 82.25% of the tickets for each game).

Someone better call PNC and get them to send over more bobbleheads...

Posted by: John in Mpls | March 5, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Make that "OMG." I was too giddy to type it right...


OMB it's Gameday (a WNFF member turned up a link)!

Posted by: natsfan1a | March 5, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Make that 81.82% full (thanks for the capacity correction, OldGuy).

Posted by: John in Mpls | March 5, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Found this re: StubHub, in Stanford Magazine:

"Pssst, It's Legal to Scalp

Reselling event tickets, otherwise known as "scalping," is not against the law. Before StubHub launched, its founders hired a legal team to research the intricacies of the secondary ticket market. While it is often illegal to resell tickets in the immediate vicinity of most venues (to protect event-goers from con artists), other trading methods are acceptable.

In about 38 states, including California, there are no meaningful restrictions. A scalper can resell a $50 football ticket for $500, so long as he or she keeps away from the arena on game day.

In 12 states, secondary tickets are regulated--as, say, liquor sales might be. In about half those states, including Illinois, ticket brokers that take inventory (StubHub does not) must register with the state. This protects consumers from fly-by-night brokers who could disappear once you've given them your credit card information.

In the remaining six states, including New York, tickets cannot be resold above a maximum price premium. A broker might be allowed to charge 20 percent more than the ticket's face value, but no more. StubHub handles its sales in these states the same way newspaper classified-advertising departments do--it's up to the seller to obey local laws."

Posted by: Bob L. Head | March 5, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

1a, thanks for the Gameday link! Much better than waiting for boxscores to refresh and trying to figure out what happened since you last checked.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | March 5, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

You're welcome, Bob L. It freezes up sometimes but is better than waiting for the boxscores as you say. (Thanks, too, for your comments on my haiku the other day.)

Posted by: natsfan1a | March 5, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I can't get the Gameday feed because of our new firewall at work (designed to prohibit students from downloading YouTube videos) - please provide updates.

Posted by: lowcountry | March 5, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Bob L., you should be the new beat reporter, you're always a dependable answer finder.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | March 5, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

1a, Thanks for gameday. I love you, let me steal you away from 1b.

Posted by: Section 311 | March 5, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I would, 311, but I'm running away with the person who originally turned up the link. :)


1a, Thanks for gameday. I love you, let me steal you away from 1b.

Posted by: natsfan1a | March 5, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

6-3 Nats after the top of the 8th. Stanford in to pitch in the bottom of the inning.

Posted by: natsfan1a | March 5, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

BB, HR, FO9, BB. Stanford gone. Schroder in

Posted by: 6-5 B 8th | March 5, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

On to the 9th

Posted by: 4-6-3 DP | March 5, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

One pitch, double play, inning over.

Almost a shame. You want to get Schroder a little more work than that.

Posted by: John in Mpls | March 5, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

New post.

Posted by: natsfan1a | March 5, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 506, I have some research tools at my fingertips.

The recap:

Nats 1st: C. Guzman infield single, Milledge reaches on an error, The Boone flies out but both runners advance, Dukes triples in two runs, Langerhaaaaans singles in Dukes, Belly grounds into a DP. Nats 3-0.

Lannan scatters three hits (including a triple) and two walks over 3 innings, but allows no runs and strikes out 3.

Cards 4th: Clippard on for the Nats. Walks 93-year old Juan Gonzalez. Catcher Molina pops out. Some guy named Ryan Ludwick singles, Gonzalez to second. Cesar Izturis singles to load the bases. Aaron Miles grounds into a force out at second but Gonzalez ambles home. Then it says Ludwick was thrown out stealing home, but I think what probably happened is that Izturis tried to steal second, Flores threw to Guzman, Ludwick broke for the plate and Guzzie nailed him. Nats 3-1.

Cards 6th: Ludwick leads off with a homer off Clippard, who gets the next two outs before giving up a single to Brian Barton and being replaced by Hanrahan. So, Clippard's line is 2.2 IP, 5 hits, 2 runs (both earned), 2 walks and 2 strikeouts. Hello, Columbus. Hanrahan gets the out, but that's it for him today. Hello, bullpen role, probably not in the new park, at least not right away. 3-2 Nats after 6.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | March 5, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

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