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Those 10-K Nationals games:

Jason Bergman, 10, 4/14/07 vs. Braves
Esteban Loaiza, 11, 4/27/05 vs. Phillies
Esteban Loaiza, 11, 9/4/05 vs. Phillies
John Patterson, 13, 4/15/06 at Florida
John Patterson, 13, 8/4/05 vs. Dodgers

John Lannan, welcome to the club. He had 11 in his six innings tonight. With no walks!

Very tenuous 2-1lead here in the bottom of the seventh -- and Ryan Zimmerman throws out Luis Castillo to end the inning!

Hang on.

By Barry Svrluga  |  April 17, 2008; 9:10 PM ET
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OMG. That bottom of the seventh was nerve-racking until the end result. The Nats need some insurance runs.

Posted by: leetee1955 | April 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Barry, can you explain to us once again why Lannan didn't make the team out of Spring Training?

Posted by: Tom | April 17, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow Loaiza twice. That seems like 100 years ago.

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | April 17, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

What was Lannan's pitch count when he was removed?

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | April 17, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Ed | April 17, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm so proud of Nieves!!

Posted by: NatsNut | April 17, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Whoa. I thought for sure we'd bring in King to pitch to Delgado. What's up with that? He has a .333 average against Rauch.

c'monnnnnnnnn NATS

Posted by: nattaboy | April 17, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

102 pitches and he gets pulled after 6 stellar innings? Good grief, how is the guy going to build up arm strength? I don't think he's thrown a single complete game in his entire pro career.

It's great that the Nats are giving the guy a shot to show his stuff and he is grabbing the opportunity by the horns, but he's got to strengthen that arm. If they won't let him do it here, then he should be down in Columbus so he can build it up down there.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | April 17, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: JennX | April 17, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Lannan got hosed.

Posted by: TimDz | April 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I am not impressed by Rauch so far this season. Now Lannan can't win the game. Shame.

Posted by: BSG | April 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Rauch owes Lannan.

Posted by: NatsNut | April 17, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh man!

What the hell is wrong with Rauch? Why did he go fastball to one of the better fastball hitters! Stay offspeed, he had nothing on him!

I'm sorry Johnny L., you deserved better.

Posted by: NattyDelite! | April 17, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

FLOOSH! The sound of Lannan's gem being flushed in Flushing by the bullpen. Hope Nats can keep it tied.

Posted by: leetee1955 | April 17, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Caps can't hold a lead either...3-3 going to overtime...

Posted by: TimDz | April 17, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The only thing dumber to me than the win stat if fretting over pitchers who don't get "credit" for the "win."

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | April 17, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Should have thrown that pitch to the last batter, John...

Posted by: TimDz | April 17, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh and let's not blame Rauch. Hang this one on Belly all the way.

And I can't believe we're letting Ryan Church beat us the week before Passover.

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | April 17, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Come on Zim.. lets see something.

Posted by: TimDz | April 17, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

or not...

Posted by: TimDz | April 17, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Zimm swinging on a 2-0 pitch that is way outside. Is that the pitch he was *looking for* up 2-0? He is lost right now.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | April 17, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

It would be cool to see Lastings take one out here...

Posted by: TimDz | April 17, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I really hope extra innings are in our future tonight...

Posted by: BSG | April 17, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

We are 3 weeks into the season....what are you expecting from from a near rookie pitcher thats never pitched more than 170 innings (or therabouts) in a season? 125 pitches? This isnt game 7 of the world series.

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | April 17, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Johnny gave it all tonight. There should be no credit taken away from his 11 strikeout and no walk performance.

Plus holding any team, but especially one with Reyes and Wright playing for it, to one run....

Kid deserved a win.

Posted by: NattyDelite! | April 17, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Beltran is up. thought he had the day off? Go Home!

Posted by: SF Fan | April 17, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

12-8, what's your problem and what do you know anyway? I said exactly what I was expecting. 100 pitches is not a magic number. Manny shouldn't have pulled him when he did. Keep treating him like a baby, and he never builds up the arm strength to pitch more than 170 innings in a season in his entire career.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | April 17, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I think we should take pitchers out early. I don't like the LaRussa style of wearing out young'uns. 100 pitches for 6 innings is quite a lot. He needs to be more efficient to get more innings.

Posted by: SF Fan | April 17, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

All the Pope jokes have me wondering, any chance we'll see Elijah this weekend?

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | April 17, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Atta way-sus, Jesus.

Posted by: nattaboy | April 17, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Can of you stat guys please tell me how many times Zimmerman has been down 0-2 this year? It seems like at least twice a game.

Posted by: SwiftIt | April 17, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

WooHoo Will Nieves!!!

My friends I think we have Flores's backup!!!

Posted by: NatsNut | April 17, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Chris has a post on Zimmerman's chronically unfavorable counts on Capitol Punishment.

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | April 17, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, i'll check it

Posted by: SwiftIt | April 17, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Kearns gets hit!

Bat him lead-off!

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | April 17, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Our baserunning sucks too

Posted by: SwiftIt | April 17, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

sorry, CiL, i have to agree about taking him out. that's a lot of pitches in 6 innings. let's see him get to 200 innings for a season and we can start looking at letting him go 120 pitches in a game.

here's the thing. you can let him go 120+ innings in this game or you can hope to have him still pitching in september w/o shutting him down.

we can argue the merits of babying pitchers, and i think it's done way too much, but the problem is it's done starting in the minors, so you still have to build them up to 230 innings, can't just jump there from 170. there's just too much evidence showing that when you increase someone's workload that much in one season, there's a serious breakdown within the next couple of seasons.

Posted by: 231 | April 17, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Stupid Ray King...

Posted by: BSG | April 17, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow...going for the runner at 3rd...risky move, but it worked...

Posted by: BSG | April 17, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

King versus righties?
Manny is surrendering
It's past his bedtime.

Posted by: Trapper John | April 17, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Bye-bye Ray King, hello Joel Hanrahan. Here's hoping for a ground ball...

Posted by: BSG | April 17, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I called that one! 13th inning, here we come...

Posted by: BSG | April 17, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

231 I hear you, and you make a fair point. I suppose my frustration lies with the babying in the first place, and like you said, that starts in the minors. As I stated in my initial post, Lannan has never thrown a complete game in his entire pro career. That's just ridiculous. I just don't want 6 inning starts to be the norm a few years from now for Lannan or any other young starter for the Nats. No matter what though, I think Steve Rogers's single-season franchise IP record is pretty much safe for eternity.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | April 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

funny story about sosa, last year at rfk we sat in the mezzanine above the marlins bullpen the sunday after the zim walk off granny sosa gave up. my brother and i were yelling down at him about how pathetic it was to blow a save against the nats, and he started yelling back so the whole section got on him and he went and hid in the corner. 3 hours later he had been traded to colorado i think.

Posted by: love | April 17, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Who is this John Patterson you refer to?

Posted by: Svrlugamania | April 17, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

I can pitch in the bottom of the 14th if I'm needed.

Posted by: Annie Savoy | April 17, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see Hanrahan with the bat in his hand again.

Posted by: | April 17, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

While hiding under my blanket for last few hours/innings, I have to say, Kearns has mildly impressed me. I had been way, way down on him starting in Cocoa last month. But on base twice in extras, that's nothing to laugh at. Competent right field play too.

Posted by: hlaxness | April 17, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

What I know is what I read and what I hear.

Dusty Baker is criticized for ruining a potentially devastating Cubs rotation. Why? Because he continually kept Prior, Wood & Zambrano out to pitch in 2003 well past 100 pitches in a vast majority of their starts. Prior and Zambrano were in their second full seasons, while Wood was in either his 4th or 5th.

An XM interview today on Home Plate actually discussed the recent struggles of Dontrelle Willis and CC Sabathia. Wilson and the reporter interviewed (dont recall the name) believed their biggest issue to be early workloads.

As another example, check what the Yankees are doing with Joba and what the Red Sox did last season with Buchholz. They are considered 1A & 1B on most top pitching prospect lists. Yet Joba starts this season in the pen to manage his innings and Buchholz wasnt on the post season roster last season as a result of the number of innings he threw.

And why was Gavin Floyd pulled from his last start after throwing a one hitter through seven plus innings? Pitch count for a young starter.

There is statistical evidence for and against pitch counts. But there is only statistical evidence supporting pitch counts relative to young starters. I haven't seen a source contend allowing a young pitcher to continually throw 100+ pitches/outing benefits his long term success.

Will throwing 115 pitches a start over the next couple weeks build arm strength? I would hope so. But if the point of building arm stregth is to sustain a career of 200 inning seasons, why overload early in a season and increase the risk of shoulder/elbow injuries down the road?

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | April 17, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BSG | April 17, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I just threw up a little in my mouth

Posted by: SwiftIt | April 17, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a 50 footer

Posted by: SwiftIt | April 17, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Hanrahan just won The Ashes!!!

Posted by: hlaxness | April 17, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Twice now the b2b intentional walks has come back to bite us.

Posted by: ace | April 17, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

What a night...both the Caps and Nats lose marathon sucks, but I'm sadly getting used to it. Each loss doesn't hurt nearly as much now. I don't have high hopes for playing the Marlins in Florida. Sigh...

Posted by: BSG | April 17, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that one sucks...

A brilliant outing by Lannan (perhaps the best of his life) and wasted for what? I love Belly, but that shows how tight the margin for error is for this team.

One thing that kept coming to my mind tonight -- once the Nats get past #4 Johnson, it is home free for the other team. There is no punch at all in the bottom half and that just makes it easy for the other team.

Posted by: MoDC | April 18, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Sigh ...
But what a job by Lannan!

Posted by: dcbatgirl | April 18, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

e x h a u s t e d : < ((

Posted by: SC Nats Fan | April 18, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

and why try a pick off play there? was that called from the dugout? did Guzman call it?

Posted by: ace | April 18, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else see this as a positive?

Yes, we didn't convert opportunities into runs (AGAIN) and yes this game may go down in history as the Unearned Loss. But the pitching was unbelievably outstanding. Once we reached the tenth, I fully expected the bottom of each inning to finish it. This team hung on, and given the Cordero situation, nobody could've expected it. Everybody clearly put their heart and soul into their effort tonight.

I believe, truly, that this could be the turning point - the motivator that shakes off all the slumps. We'll see.

Posted by: Michael | April 18, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Michael said,
"Anybody else see this as a positive?"

I, too, have that feeling to an extent. It's either a turning point ... or the triumph of hope over experience.

Go Nats!

Posted by: dcbatgirl | April 18, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

This team needs to start hitting and fast.

Caps and Nats lose absolute heartbreakers...Holy Crap, how depressing.

Posted by: Section 505/203 | April 18, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

This heartbreaking loss will probably send them into another 2 weak tail-spin. There are no positives when you have lost 12 out of 13. It doesn't matter how good your pitching is when your offense is as bad as our's. You could take Potomac's lineup and they could outhit the Major League club.

Posted by: Nats Stink | April 18, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Lannan had HOW many strikeouts?!? Now I feel even worse.

Went to the DC United game (2-1 loss to Columbus) and got back home somewhere in the 12th inning. NO mention from Carpenter OR Sutton about Lannan during the last few innings of the game. Was encouraged to see the Mets having left more men on base than the Nats by that point, and then proceeded to watch the Nats go back to the usual of not being able to bat in a run if their lives depended on it.

But with DCU and the Caps losing, shouldn't have been a surprise to see Hanrahan's streakiness lose us the game.

Posted by: Juan-John | April 18, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Other than outstanding performances by lannan and nieves -- who stepped up and out respectively -- it was just another weak, disappointing effort by the team that looks to be sleepwalking. This could have easily been a shutout by lannan, who was just painting both sides of the plate, with a little defensive help. But 6 hits (in 14 innings!), three errors, a handful of wild pitches, and a completely mismanaged 14th on the part of manny gave me nothing to feel good about.

Lannan deserved a win. And somebody in that clubhouse better buy wil nieves a beer - he certainly earned it.

No, not a good night in natsland. Decidedly not positive.

Posted by: blueson | April 18, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

You can take some positives, for sure. The bullpen did extremely well, though we might be screwed for tommorow night.

Don't blame Manny. Those intentional walks were absolutely the right move. I also take back what I said about bringing Rauch in instead of King, after seeing Delgado's record against our plump lefty.

I'm not worried about the defense. I hate saying 'it's early', but in my opinion D is something that takes a while for pro baseball players to get up to speed on during the season.

Alas, the hitting. Definitely some positives from the game, but no way is it a spark. We need a 10 run game.

Posted by: nattaboy | April 18, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm with Michael. I left the (audio) game in the 9th and figured it was lost by the time I got home.

I'm bummed out for them but I'm very encouraged with how they stayed in it.

And my gawd! I was already Lannan's mom, but Nieves? I want to give him a huge hug. He was AWESOME.

Listening to Charlie and Dave it sounded like he blocked a bunch of wayward balls. Made what sounded like an awesome throw catching Chavez stealing. He caught the WHOLE game. Jogged out and talked to the pitchers several times. He just sounded completely engaged like he's been up all year.

I'm seriously impressed with that kid.

Posted by: NatsNut | April 18, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

All praises to Lannan. I will join the "leave him in debate". When Lannan was taken out he was not laboring at all. He and Nieves had complete control of this game. I think idiots manage by the 100 pitch count limit because it covers their butt. I also think that you should never allow the starter to take it on the chin for 6 runs in the first 3 innings either.
Get him out when you see that he does not have it and is just feeding the hitters. I guess that I just have a long baseball memory and I have a great respect for pitchers who dominate a game from start to finish. Managers who manage with the latest trends and disregard the history of what pitchers have done for the last one hundred years are taking a myopic view. Lannan was hot tonight and our bullpen is certainly not the same as last year. Indeed it is not even close. Lannan by himself was carrying this team tonight, even inspiring this team. Once Lannan was pulled from the game I could feel the intensity fall. Rivera did not allow runs but he just scraped through his first inning. No reliever seemed to be confident tonight. When you have a team that struggles to just win one game or even to score more than 1 run you have to play for your best chance to win. Everybody on this team should be giving it all they have to win and it does not start with the attitude that this was "good enough". The manager is a huge factor, each at- bat is a factor, the bench is a factor, heck, even watching to see how a reliever warms up is a factor. This team does not have power nor does it have the skills to play small ball--witness the Belliard bunt and Kearns baserunning. It is going to be tough to manage because every small mistake will kill us now. I don't have solutions except to encourage each to play smart and to play with heart.

Why is Cordero on the active roster now? We really can not use him in close games because by his own admission we have to work him back into shape. Obviously Pena was brought up well before he was ready. Who is telling management that these people are major league ready?

Posted by: Dale | April 18, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

No walks! Yay!

Go John Lannan! Yay!

Posted by: i hate walks | April 18, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

to nattaboy,

i disagree with you about walking the bases full. there were already two outs. he didn't need to set up a double play or keep the force out in order. with hanrahan's control issues, manny should have kept the bases open to allow for a walk or hbp. this time, he forced the issue. and he lost.

Posted by: blueson | April 18, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

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