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Lineups from Seattle

Today's lineups

Washington

Guzman - 6
Dukes - 9
Milledge - 8
Young - 3
Flores - 2
Belliard - 5
Lopez - 4
Pena - DH
Casto - 7
(Clippard - 1)

Seattle

Suzuki - 8
Lopez - 4
Vidro - DH
Ibanez - 7
Beltre - 5
Sexson - 3
Balentien - 9
Burke - 2
Betancourt - 6
(Bedard - 1)

By Chico Harlan  |  June 14, 2008; 8:06 PM ET
 
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All this talk of which of our not deserving players will make the All-Star game by virtue of the rule that every team must have one player got me thinking... Soriano is the only really deserving AS that Bowden's brought us since he was hired back in 2004. And that got me thinking, if you go back to Cincinnati, how many deserving AS has Bowden had, ever?

Here's what I dug up from BaseballReference.com on the AS selections he had in his 16 years. Where there are stats, they are all pre-AS game stats from that season, to give a sense of how deserving the player was that year.

2008: whether it's Rauch or Guzman, neither will be deserving, in that neither would make it if not for the rule requiring one guy from each team.

2007: Young--clearly not deserving. They had to take 4 1Bs to fit him in (D. Lee, Pujols, and Fielder), and there were at least 2-3 others more deserving (Berkman, A. Gonzalez, R. Howard)

2006: Soriano--deserving, started

2005: Livan, Cordero--by definition, if the team had more than 1, they were deserving, but both of these were inherited

2003: Aaron Boone (pre-AS break line: .261 AVG-.326 OBP-.456 SLG)---a Bowden acquisition, but the only Reds pick that year and clearly not deserving. They had to take 3 3Bs to fit him in (Lowell and Rolen), and arguably 3 others were better--Aramis Ramirez was better (.277-.328-.441), Shea Hillenbrand (.316-.351-.517); Morgan Ensberg (.312-.418-.613)

2002: Adam Dunn--the only pick, but deserving (.300-.452-.544, 17 HR), and a Bowden pick.

2001: Sean Casey was the only pick and a Bowden guy, but probably less deserving (.329-.387-.505; 10 HR) than Jeff Bagwell (.269-.382-.523; 21 HR; finished 7th in the MVP voting that year and in 2000).

2000: Graves, Griffey, Larkin, 2 of the 3 Bowden guys

1999: Larkin, S. Casey, S. Williamson, 2 of the 3 Bowden guys

1998: Bret Boone (.285-.331-.463) was the only pick and a Bowden guy, but less deserving than Jeff Kent (.301-.355-.492; 9th in MVP voting). Fernando Vina (.305-.376-.419) was the 3rd 2B taken and was also clearly an undeserving pick as the only Brewers choice.

1997: Barry Larkin--deserving but not a Bowden guy

1996: Barry Larkin--deserving but not a Bowden guy

1995: Ron Gant, Larkin, Smiley, Sanders--all deserving, Smiley and Gant Bowden acquisitions

1994: Larkin, Jose Rijo--deserving but neither Bowden acquisitions

1993: Roberto Kelly, Larkin--deserving, Kelly a Bowden acquisition, though in the Paul O'Neill trade, generally considered his worst ever.

1992: Norm Charlton, Bip Roberts--neither Bowden acquisitions

So to sum up, in 16 years, he's had 5 teams with zero deserving all-stars. In 5 other years there were deserving all-stars, but they were inherited from prior GMs. Therefore in only 6 years of 16 has he had at least one deserving AS that he acquired, a total of 9 players.

Interestingly, only Griffey of these 9 has had more than one "deserving" appearance for Bowden (some, like Soriano, had other appearances with other teams after Bowden got rid of them, but none of these 9 made it more than once for a Bowden team).

I don't have a comparison to how other GMs have done, but this seems below average. And given that it's hard to imagine who in our organization now might become a true All-Star anytime in the next year or 2, this record could go on for some time.

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | June 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Stephen, that is a great post. Thanks for all of the legwork. If I post again before the game, I'll make a reference back to your legwork so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle. You stack the facts up quite well, and they pack a punch.

Posted by: Chico Harlan | June 14, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

That must've taken forever...

Posted by: natsinthevalley | June 14, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I decided to do a little more digging on one of the Sons of Bowden, Felipe Lopez.

We know that when playing in the Great American Smallpark FLop was able to hit 23 HRs in a season (2005) as well as 34 Doubles and 85 RBIs. Great numbers through 148 Games.

To note, in the 289 games he has played for the Nats he has these totals 51 Doubles, only 89 RBIs and just 12 HRs.

Here is the kicker, this season he is on pace to play in 157 games but he is only on pace for these numbers: 2 HRs, 42 RBIs, and only 10 SBs. Ouch...

He is still a major leaguer why?

Posted by: natsinthevalley | June 14, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

but my mind is already made up, so why bother?

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I don't have a comparison to how other GMs have done, but ...
Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | June 14, 2008 8:16 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | June 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Chico!

@ Posted by: | June 14, 2008 9:24 PM--Geez I assemble a mountain of data, and you respond with this? Come on, I'm nothing if not thorough and fair. If Bowden wants to get credit for being a good GM, there's a really easy way to get total full-throated support from me and all other Nationals fans: stop making excuses and JUST WIN.

Posted by: Steven on Capitol Hill | June 14, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Nice work Steven. While I agree with the general premise of your data and your overall point to a somewhat lesser extent, I think it's important to remember that All Star selections are based off of fan selections, and not always merit.

There have been several selections where either name recognition, being a player on a major market team, or just sentimental feelings have landed a player on the team more so than actual play.

Does that mean that people from Bowden's teams got shafted? I don't know, I doubt it as the overall product is usually pretty good. But maybe a rookie got hurt because he would have had to win a write in campaign, which is much more difficult. Carlos Quinten of the White Sox comes to mind for this year's game.

So like I said, great job, but let's not put too much stock into something the fans choose. As we all know on this blog, fans can be pretty big homers.

Posted by: NattyDelite! | June 14, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't Flores getting a mention?

Posted by: brothbart | June 15, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Thanks for that, Stephen. That's definitely enough to make us ask "Whose Plan?"

Posted by: i hate walks | June 15, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

This got eaten, sorry if it shows up twice:

Stephen: WOW, thanks.

This is really enlightening. Enough to make us ask "whose Plan?"

Posted by: i hate walks | June 15, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Flores doesn't have enough at-bats or games played.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | June 16, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

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