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Injuries and Missteps (and signs of evolution)

Thanks again for all of the great participation here. As noted earlier, I will use the early part of next week to compile -- and present, in quasi-digestible form -- the results.

A few other things. We've got the regular online chat today scheduled for 2 p.m.

You can read Astleford's game coverage here and here, as well as a Boswell column.

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Fan Satisfaction Poll 2008
Day 3, INJURIES AND MISSTEPS

By Chico Harlan  |  July 9, 2008; 7:30 AM ET
 
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In question three option one the Nats gave up Cash and a player, later named to be Chris Carter (then a minor leaguer).

Posted by: i hate walks | July 9, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

....for Willy Mo Pena.

Posted by: i hate walks | July 9, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Good thing I reminded them of their record and how my free-falling Birds will never reach this kind of low. I shudder to think what the Orioles would look like if they were mising their 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 hitters, along with their #1 starter and closer. But good thing I don't have to worry about that! I can just rag on these clowns and keep reminding them how much better we are this year. So sweet.

Posted by: O's Exec's Conscience | July 9, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Who are we kidding here? The Nats were going to be a subpar team at best without any injuries anyhow, so the whole "we're so bitten by the injury bug" mantra is getting old. Good organizations have enough talent to weather spells of injuries.

At this point, my wish would be to jettison the interim ML hacks (Kearns, Pena, LoDucca, FLop, etc.) and simply go with the kids full-time. They can't play any worse and the team will (hopefully) be better off in the long run as a result.

"The Plan" may be a year away from starting to pay dividends, but let's hope there's a fan base left by then.

Posted by: Section 408 | July 9, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Washington 34-57
Seattle 35-55 (1.5GB)
San Diego 36-55 (2GB)

Posted by: #1 Pick in 2009 | July 9, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Interesting math on the last question - the percentages added up to 123%

Posted by: Scott | July 9, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Question #1 is exactly the same as the question on the Nats home page.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Do you think the dismal TV ratings could convince Angelos to sell the Nats their own TV rights?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Please please please...

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Interesting math on the last question - the percentages added up to 123%

Posted by: Scott | July 9, 2008 8:58 AM

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Note the key phrase in the question "Multiple answers allowed"... :)

Posted by: OldGuy | July 9, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

One vote for this system rocks! Do more of these polls, this is great.

Posted by: IBC | July 9, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

so the whole "we're so bitten by the injury bug" mantra is getting old. Good organizations have enough talent to weather spells of injuries.
Posted by:Section 408 | July 9, 2008 8:41 AM
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You're kidding, right? I would love for someone to show me one other team that has had 14 of their opening day 25 man roster take a trip to the DL. Exactly ONE every day position player has yet to make a trip to the DL. This is so ridiculous it's sad. But, our system is supposed to weather this. We should have 14 other Major League quality guys ready to step in. Please.

Posted by: Section 138 | July 9, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Re. the OP's comments section, I occasionally tried to post, often without success, in the past. I looked again when they changed the format, but I was turned off by their wanting to know my gender, birthday, and zip code (required fields) to register."

Why not just make something up? Tell them you're a 102 year old man living in Afghanistan. What else do they ask for you to register? E-mail address, like the Post does? Hell, I made up an e-mail address when I registered for the Post online years ago, and have been using it successfully ever since. My gut feeling is that the Post has no clue as to who I really am, and can't send their spam my way.

Reminds me of a Kramer line on an old Seinfeld episode about why does Radio Shack want your phone number just so you can buy some batteries?

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 9, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand 52 percent still liking the Soriano trade.

Posted by: Ray | July 9, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

It's always easier to say "there's no excuse" and feel righteously angry than to say "let's see why this disaster is happening" and some to the gloomy realization that it simply must be suffered. Everyone would like to take the gold medal, but who wants to suffer through the marathon?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"I'd like to apologize to umpire Angel Hernandez for my words toward him that led to my ejection in yesterday's game, as well as for my ill-considered words toward him that I used with the press after the game. I should have treated him with the same respect I would want people to treat me with. I take full responsibility for the inappropriate language I used, and accept any fine that Major League Baseball chooses to impose on me.

That said, I stand by my original assertion that both my pick-off attempts were not balks, and respectfully ask that MLB look at video of my previous pick-off attempts (that have not been called balks by other umpires) to compare with what I did yesterday." -- Odalis Perez

OK, he obviously didn't say the above, and I'm assuming that his supposed balks were actually not balks, but it's a fun thought to have anyway, huh?

Posted by: Juan-John | July 9, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse


I don't understand 52 percent still liking the Soriano trade.

Posted by: Ray | July 9, 2008 10:02 AM

What's not to like about it? Soriano was great when he was here and he netted two top quality pitching prospects as he left.

Oh, an if you are thinking about Galarraga, think again. He's been the 2nd luckiest pitcher in the majors this season.

Pitchers that have a BABIP below .260 are likely to see their WHIPs rise. Be extra skeptical of those with K/BB ratios below 2.0.

BABIP K/BB
Armando Galarraga 0.212 1.79

Posted by: Gal Revels in Pee | July 9, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it, by the time this team becomes competitive the lion's share of the guys who are here will either be with other teams or out of baseball. This is kind of a Last Chance Saloon right now where the front office is scrambling to fill holes. I am an advocate of "The Plan," but I think as long as JimBow is allowed to cobble together the major league roster with retread veteran filler, this is going to take longer than it should. I'm willing to take the pain now to expedite the process. For example, why make Kory Casto essentially a pinch hitter when the team could be gaugeing whether he would most effective as a first baseman, third baseman or outfielder while continuing to give useless at bats to the Meat Loaf and WMP? I want the front office to stop peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining, okay?

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 9, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

http://oninformationandbelief.typepad.com/on_information_and_belief/2008/07/fire-dr-benjami.html

(apologies for the self-pluggery, thanks to anyone who is bored enough to read my meager analysis)

Posted by: self-promotion | July 9, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

i think i read that Tampa has had the most DL days of any team this year. Atlanta has more than Nats also.

Posted by: longterm | July 9, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

RKGF, re. your question, the site also requests first and last name (optional) and email addy (required). There is an additional optional questionnaire relating to occupation, household income, and country of residence. I imagine that the questions are for marketing purposes. Note that even if you use an anonymous email addy, they may be able to track you when you logon (via your IP address).

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

i don't think casto will be effective full time at any position.

must be a lot of people voting multiple times. where are we? america?

Posted by: longterm | July 9, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Juan-John: I like it. Charlie and Dave did suggest some remedial video viewing for the ump during yesterday's broadcast, if I recall correctly.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Church is back on the DL in new york, with post concussion syndrome. It goes all the way back to his collision in Spring Training, sad day.

Posted by: natsinthevalley | July 9, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Vote early and vote often.

Posted by: Capone (or Daley) | July 9, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I agree with leetee's statement/gripe. Continuing to try the Wily Mo experiment in left field in hopes his bat will finally come around has been beyond exasperating to watch/listen to. More years of this type of thing from the front office will mean continued low viewership.

Posted by: samantha7 | July 9, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

hey, at least we didn't give up an earned run yesterday. oh wait. a run is a run. this has to be the worst offense of all time. only 11 more months until we pick 1st.

Posted by: longterm | July 9, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

@Ray - It basically comes down to the fact that there is a group of people who will always be in favor of the outcome of the Soriano decision and likely no amount of arguing from those not favor of it will change their minds.

And the same holds true the other way, people who are against the Soriano outcome will likely never be swayed to thinking it was a good move.

This is an argument that neither side will ever "win"

Posted by: Brian | July 9, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Church is back on the DL in new york, with post concussion syndrome. It goes all the way back to his collision in Spring Training, sad day."

Shame that substandard handling by the Nationals' medical team while he was here led to that happening, isn't it?

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 9, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

shame about b-rad wilkerson. always like him way better than ryan church. i guess they were our steve finley vs brady anderson dilema. ouch.

Posted by: longterm | July 9, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

@longterm,

But the team won't know that for sure if they won't play him. That's the best way to make assessments of players - to allow them to rise or fall through adequate playing time. Manny is delusional if he's playing each game to dig out of the hole in which this team finds itself. If Milledge or Dukes is still out in August bring up Maxwell and play him everyday. Give the fans some hope that we won't be subjected to marginal veterans filling holes for the next few seasons. That's all I ask.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 9, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

On Q 4, I voted no rather than too soon to tell because I disagree that the choice was Galarraga for a year of Soriano, plus Smoker and Zimmermann. What is missing from the question is "Could we have dealt Wilkerson and Sledge for other helpful pieces and kept Galarraga?" Hindsight leads to slighting both of those guys, but at the time Sledge was thought to be a 4th outfielder and on a par with Church when healthy and Wilkerson was still thought to be at least a major league regular with power and speed. A combination Wilky and Sledge could have gotten a major league contributor (or two prospects).

Posted by: PTBNL | July 9, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm not healthy yet

Posted by: Justin Maxwell's wrist | July 9, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

longterm - even in comparison to TB, we are quite snake bit. Garza, Shields, Sonnanstine and Jackson have not missed a start, to my knowledge, and Kazmir only missed a month. Their rotation has been quite stable. Iwamura, Crawford, and Upton have played the whole year and Longoria was only down due to a roster management trick. Floyd, Pena, Reyes, and Percival have missed significant time, but Navarro and Bartlett only missed a bit.

Posted by: PTBNL | July 9, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

re: Times Comment Boards

the catch there is that they make you choose a screename and a profile attached to it.

just like *any* message board you might join. if you are that afraid of people "tracking your IP address" then you should get off the internet right now, because Web Administrators at nearly any message board you post on(*including this one*) can see your IP Address.

I don't see the problem, unless people are just looking for reasons to not support the folks who give superior Nats Coverage.

Posted by: MrMadison | July 9, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry if the above post comes off a little harsh.

I didn't mean it that way.

Posted by: MrMadison | July 9, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I'm aware of that, thanks. I'm also entitled to choose which venues I participate in (or don't), as are you and others.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Mr. Madison, I hadn't seen your second post before I made mine.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Elijah Dukes had successful arthroscopic surgery performed on his right knee this morning. The procedure, performed by Dr. Koko Eaton in Tampa, FL, repaired two small tears in the meniscus in his right knee. Dukes will begin a rehab program immediately and is expected to miss 4-6 weeks.

Posted by: Dukes Update | July 9, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The Soriano poll question is very badly framed. Chico, I'm demoralized by your total reliance on SoCH for knowledge and insight into the Soriano affair. First of all, you posit a sequence of steps that is not based in reality. The Nationals did not "let Soriano go" via free agency. They really had no choice in the matter. It's clear in hindsight that he had no intention of returning to the Nationals no matter how ridiculous their offer might have been. It was reported at the time that the Nationals did make him a multi-year offer (more than what would have been required to safeguard their draft picks) and he never called them back. Next thing they knew, he signed with the Cubs. This was not "letting him go." Second, even though Jim Bowden was the man who engineered both Soriano transactions, he was operating under different owners when Soriano was acquired and when he left (and also when he could have been dealt before the trade deadline for prospects that would have been equivalent to the two draft picks the Nats ultimately ended up getting in exchange for his year of service on the team). You can't call two basically random transactions that occured under different ownership philosophies either a mistake or a success, now or ever. That makes no sense. (Except in the deranged rantings of SoCH, I guess...)

So the question has to be reframed in order to be answered, and I expect that the reframing most respondents did was to make it say "Was Soriano's year with theNationals a good thing, or not?" And my answer to that question is: Of course it was a good thing. It engaged the fans and the city. Soriano's presence provided shelter for the development of Ryan Zimmerman in his rookie year - shelter he could have used last year during his inevitable sophomore slump, and shelter he could probably still use today (if not from Soriano, then from some other veteran with presence and gravitas.) So unquestionably Soriano's tenure here has to be viewed as a net plus. So he left after one year, you say? When he was traded for, there was no guarantee that the Nationals would have been able to get more than that out of him - unless of course he had tanked that year and the team ended up with the choice of being stuck with him or losing him for nothing. They got a great year from him, which has to have been at the upper end of expectations when they acquired him. Definitely a good thing.

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 9, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I took my 3-year old son to the Nationals game last night and we had a ball. He has learned how to sing Take Me Out to the Ball Game. But he cracked me up. Obviously even a 3-year old recognizes the inferior product he is watching because during the 7th inning stretch he sang "Root, root, root for the Nationals; if they don't care its a shame."

Posted by: Sec 214 | July 9, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

From Andrew Astleford's gamer last night: Said Manager Manny Acta, "It's a little mind-boggling to me that this guy takes the mound twice every five days, and nobody else calls a balk on him and this guy drops two on him in one night."

From Mark Zuckerman's gamer last night: "Just a little mind-boggling to me that this guy takes the mound for us every five days, and nobody else calls a balk on him, and this guy drops two on him in one night," Acta said. "But it didn't make a difference because we didn't score any runs anyways."

Either someone made a mistake or Odalis Perez has been pitching a mystery game somewhere that none of us have seen, which makes me kind of mad because I would like to see the second game he's pitching every week.

Posted by: Ray Knight | July 9, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

A very interesting Boz article. 29K + 9K < 41,888.

I don't know what's worse, the team or the fan base. Simply, pathetic. I am not without blame. I have a 41-game plan and will admit that lately, I have simply missed games. There is only so much AAAA talent I can handle. Watching on MASN is depressing, mainly because my HDTV can't handle channels 42 or 79. I mean seriously, If I wanted to watch that kind of resolution, I'd plug in my old Sega Genesis and play Super Tecmo.

Posted by: 756* | July 9, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Way too depressing for me today. I did one better than the Nats and lost two last night with no offense in slow pitch softball. NO OFFENSE IN SLOW PITCH SOFTBALL! Jeeze.

Want to have some fun?

What do you think of major league umpires?

How are the umpires held accountable?

Is there a rating of umpires available to the public?

I believe they are honest but arrogant, though not nearly so as several years ago when they seemed to relish confrontations.

They do a suberb job at first.

They call too many neighborhood plays at second.

They call too many tag plays based on when the ball arrives as opposed to the tag itself.

They steadfastly refuse to call rule book strikes and seem to take great pride in their individual strike zones. Of course, if the quality of any organization starts at the top, our man Bud probably thinks the strike zone is the 1-3 pocket and we should be happy with what we've got.

Their balk calls are widely inconsistent.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | July 9, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Not to do with this discussion, but SHOUTING because I want whomever in the Nats' organization who selects the person who sings THE STAR SPANGLED BANNER to pay attention - please, this is not a torch song, country music, or a lounge act number. The singer last night (Tuesday, 8 July) was ghastly and embarrassing to listen to - further, she would not stop simpering, so was even horrible to watch. There are a lot of good choruses around, not to mention a lot of opera singers (many in the military), who do a great job of TSSB, and we would all be better served if you would select them. Making DC Washington the house TSSB singer would be a good idea, as would occasionally just having an instrumental version.

Posted by: Traveler | July 9, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

SlowPitch, I've been wondering about that as well. Also, how about the umps who seem to let their personal feelings intrude on the field (as with the recent incident with the Mets' Jerry Manual)? Also, on a somewhat related note, after last night's game ended I found myself idly wondering how much overlap there is between the magic words that can precipitate ejection from a game and the late George Carlin's seven words that couldn't be said on TV.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Seems like the Nats have gotten a fair amount of really bogus calls lately. Remember the several in Cinci? Is there a website that tracks these things? It seems so obvious.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Amen to Traveler's thoughts on TSSB. Last night singer's had to be the worst yet--she managed to put all the worst stylistic traits and cliches of "urban" and "country" singers into her "interpretation," easily doubling, maybe tripling, the time needed to get through the piece. Yes, let's have house singer, DC Washington would be fine.

Might as well complain about this; no use complaining about WMP or Felipe's playing time or Lenny Harris's performance as batting coach.

Posted by: CapPeterson | July 9, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

most of the magic words that get you ejected either are or contain four magic letters that begin with the letter "F".

Posted by: 231 | July 9, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Listening to singers, would-be and actual, mangle the national anthem and then "God Bless America" goes hand-in-hand with watching the game, regrettably. There was a game in Florida last season or the season before that featured a singer who was so bad, Charlie and Dave had trouble maintaining their composure on air. That was funny. (The singing was awful.)

Maybe this category will be included in polls about the gameday experience.

Posted by: samantha7 | July 9, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

i always wonder why people think it's appropriate to try *so* hard to make TSSB their own. especially when most of the renditions considered special or classic are mostly clean renditions sung with passion (well, and a beautiful voice).

i didn't hear last night's, but i suspect it had a lot of what i call vocal . few do it well and know how and when to do it properly. reminds me of something many of the best guitar players will say. it's not necessarily what a guitar player plays that makes him great, it's what he doesn't play.

i still regret not trying out. maybe next year.

Posted by: 231 | July 9, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

http://www.spudart.org/chicagocubs/umpires/index.html

Posted by: Hernandez' ex-wife | July 9, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks re. the magic words, 231.

I remember that game, samantha. She was truly awful. I think that may also have been the series featuring a leather-lunged female fan in the stands?

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I am a musician by trade, and am currently getting my college degree in music. I hate a vast majority of the TSSB versions at sporting events, (READ: American Idol-style).

That being said, DC Washington is great and he should be there more often. Also, we have so many military bases around the area and they all have choruses and bands that are absolutely amazing, as well as many individual soloists that appreciate the TSSB and will honor it with their performances.

The best performance I have heard at Nats park so far was a brewers game last month where there was a Soprano Sax player, it was just great. Aside from being well played it was a great change of pace. Lets do stuff like that more often.

Posted by: natsinthevalley | July 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

This is breaking, important news:
Michael Beasley has a Curly-W tattoo???

http://wevegotheart.com/2008/07/08/curly-w-tattoo/

He instantly adds another 1000 to our viewership.

Posted by: BF | July 9, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

natsfan1a & Sec 506 (BM),
My how the mind wanders when we evert our eyes from our terrible, but well loved, team.

Thanks for responding.

I've heard various commentators mention in passing that an umpire was "highly rated" or "in the middle of the pack."

I vaguely remember, and at my age I do way more forgetting than remembering, that the players union might have an order of merit list.

I'd rather lazily toss out the question to our very knowledgeable that test my somewhat deficient internet reaserching skills.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | July 9, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Do you think the dismal TV ratings could convince Angelos to sell the Nats their own TV rights?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 9:18 AM

God I hope not if so the Nats might not have the financial muscle to sign Rob Mackowiak next season much less a Ben Sheets or O-Dawg. We need to realize that while its not ideal, the MASN deal is great for the Nats. They are guaranteed to get an above market I know it was $20 Million in 2005 I believe it went up to $25 million last year. The United are drawing 2,500 more viewers per game no way they are getting $25 million. And as for not being a part of MASN and having all our games on MY 20 or some other network, say Comcast, the Nats aren't going to get a better deal than what they are getting now. Also teams like the Marlins, Tampa (though they will have a better deal next year) and the Pirates don't even have all their games brodcast. We are lucky to have that ability to watch every game if we choose. This doesn't even include the percentage of profits that they get for being a minority owner of the station.
I realize that that is usually the rallying point for hating the O's and Angelos, but there are 2 reasons why we started at only a 10% stake in the station: one the nats and the Lerners didn't/haven't put money in to MASN, yes it was part of the package that they bought , but MLB put up the initial funding and Angelos has put up the majority of the funding, you get what you pay for. The reason there isn't more National based programming is b/c we aren't producing it. And the Second reason why MASN shouldn't be a 50/50 split is spelled out in the article. Even with over a decade of losing and a 13 year old ball park, the O's have about a 3.5 to 1 advantage when it comes to viewership in their market. And the article even mentions that they are getting more viewers in the DC metro area than the nats are. Face it the O's have 50 plus years of history and fan base that the nats can't match. A 50/50 split would be crazy. The 15% or whatever the Nats stake is at the moment is not pennies in the couch, we are talking about millions of millions of dollars. We need to all stop complaining and be happy that the Nats have a saftey net in place to have revenue certainty that will allow them to be competitive well into the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Steveo | July 9, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Yup, 231, what they don't play, or sing, is important - so help me, last night we got a TSSB styling that included singing "of the brave" 3 times. (Cringe muscles are recoiling in thinking about it.) Samantha 7, last night the camera panned on ballplayers that I'm sure were trying to keep a straight face as this was going on. Cap, did you see this too?

Posted by: Traveler | July 9, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

That should be

I'd rather lazily toss out the question to our very knowledgeable posters than test my somewhat deficient internet reaserching skills.

I need an editor.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | July 9, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Nats in the Valley, hear hear.

Posted by: Traveler | July 9, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the Soriano trade was an absolute win. Wilkerson/Sledge/Galarraga for a year of Soriano and the two pretty high picks. I think the more questionable decision is the non-trade of Soriano at the deadline. Rumors were that there was some pretty good major-league talent being offered, but Bowden held-out for the windfall and ended up with nothing.

Posted by: macman | July 9, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Traveler,

Have to say I missed the ballplayers' reactions. I was checking out the fans in my section, trying to ascertain from subtle body language "tells" (like pelting the singer with half smokes) whether they were as revulsed as I was. Saw only a few discreet headshakes.

Posted by: CapPeterson | July 9, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Must ring in on the national anthem question - this is the our nation's capitol - we may not have a winning team but perhaps we can set some kind of standard for class. Also a musician by trade - one of the problems with TSSB is that it has evolved into a performance piece and is supposed to be a group singing piece such as "Take me out to the ballgame". You can't possibly sing along with most of these atrocious renditions. Also have worked with dc washington professionally and find him to be a classy professional.

Posted by: masnstinks | July 9, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The anthem singer last night reminded me of the early Simpsons episode when Bleeding Gums Murphy sang the blues version of the anthem before a Springfield Isotopes game and it went on for like 17 minutes. But that one was funny, last night's version wasn't. At least if she was going to do a torch version, she should have gone all orgasmic when she hit the O and dragged it out for a couple of minutes there to give all the O's fans conniptions in trying to get their bit in. That would have been funny and would have made it worth having to stand through the rest of it.

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 9, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"You can't possibly sing along with most of these atrocious renditions"

You mean like the one Francis Scott Key borrowed from a popular drinking song? I'll give you this about Key's choice: being drunk helps an average loser like me sing it too.


http://tinyurl.com/6mxpdx

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"Also have worked with dc washington professionally and find him to be a classy professional. "

So is that his real name or a stage name?

The Nationals really ought to be working him into the fabric of their being just like the Yankees have done with Irish tenor Ronan Tynan. Instead, though, they seem hell-bent on stealing musical traditions from other teams, like the Sweet Caroline travesty.

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 9, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

it's chat time folks.

Zuckerman over at the Times is chatting at 1 (aka RIGHT NOW), then Chico over here at 2.

get those questions in.

Posted by: MrMadison | July 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Section 408 - ""The Plan" may be a year away from starting to pay dividends, but let's hope there's a fan base left by then."

This is a preposterous statement. The minor league teams of the Expos were devastated during the time that MLB owned the team. The DC team has had ownership for only 2 years. And, not only did ownership have to pony up $450 million to get the team, they put millions into the stadium to make it more fan friendly. They didn't have to do that ya know...they could have left the bare bones stadium in place that DC built, but they didn't.

Baseball, again, is about patience. Players take time to develop. Alex Rodriguez-type guys do not fall out of trees. Had this team signed Adruuw Jones, how ugly would that be? Lo Duca was bad enough - now we have 4 catchers running around.

The fan base isn't going anywhere. You people make it sound like the area is gonna take their tickets and go home. It's that mentality that cost us two clubs already. The fan base is here.

Posted by: Chill Out! | July 9, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Agree on national anthem singer - horrible. I was waiting to go down to my seats until she finished and she kept going on ... and on. Sounded like a cat being strangled.

Also, what is with the tent on top of the right field garage blocking the view for those of us on the 1st baseline? Bad enough to have that building blocking the view of the Capitol, but before at least you could see the horizen.

Posted by: noview | July 9, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Instead, though, they seem hell-bent on stealing musical traditions from other teams, like the Sweet Caroline travesty."

So are Boston fans a bunch of drunks or is any given bunch of drunks likely Boston fans? Did "Sweet Caroline" become a popular bar song before going to Fenway, or was it the other way?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Didn't see last night's game. It would've been fun to catch the players' reactions to the overemoting. When I hear a singer start to torch one of the songs (in a bad way), I'm of one of two minds. Turn down the radio(s) till it's over or keep listening to hear the train wreck.

natsfan1a: don't remember the leather-lunged fan in the stands for the game with the truly-terrible anthem singer, but since few people attend the Florida games in Miami, you can always hear catcalls and stuff from the crowd. It's almost entertaining in itself.

Posted by: samantha7 | July 9, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

just call out Post readers...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/07/nats_fans_vs_the_posts_coverag.html

Posted by: oh no he didn't | July 9, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

So the Nats' doc points out that there is a "constellation of misfortune" in the Natosphere, and 214's kid amends a baseball classic to fit the 2008 Nats("Root, root, root for the Nationals; if they don't care its a shame.") Classic.

On the coverage debate, I actually thought that the gamer that made the paper was pretty solid.

Also, I don't like the lack of coverage any more than the next person, but I'm wondering whether we're staring at a new set of facts that we haven't truly comprehended yet. Virtually all print media have taken a huge financial nosedive. News for the sake of news is going the way of the dodo, hence, the Newseum. That's right, the news as we once knew it belongs in a museum.

News is now entertainment. It's not driven by what we should know (i.e., what's actually happening), it's driven by what we show we want to know, which is evidently stuff that generally falls under the label of tabloid journalism. Papers literally cannot afford to cover everything, so they're beginning to focus on the stuff that drives the bottom line. And the bottom line is that people don't buy the Post for its baseball coverage. The Post knows this. That's why they reassigned one of their most talented, dedicated writers to the Redskins beat and gave the Nats beat to a newbie and some interns.

Now, could the Post have made a different decision? Sure. I wish they had said wow, there's a new team in town, a potential niche here, let's make and investment and see if good baseball coverage sells more papers in the future. They didn't do that. In fairness, they might not have been able to do that at the same time as they are having to lay off hundreds of experienced writers, reporters and editors. So they did the prudent thing and focused their declining resources on what they saw as their core assets. In the sports section, there is only one core asset, and we all know what that is.

I'm afraid we're not going to be able to count on the Post to help us make this into a better baseball town. At the end of the day, to paraphrase Stan, the Nats will get the coverage they deserve. And right now, well, they just don't deserve very much, at least as determined by the court of public opinion.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | July 9, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The balk calls were probably discussed in an earlier thread, but I want to weigh in on something.

I blame Acta for the ejection. After the first bogus balk call, I said to my wife that Acta should have been there defending Odalis. Somebody needed to cow Hernandez. Maybe it would not have worked, but please Manny get off your duff and do something.

Also, as for the MASN TV numbers, something is amiss. I have read that they do not include the My20 games, which are generally weekend and high profile games. The 9,000 viewer number is not right, but does anyone think that Angelos is not behind this. It benefits him to make his team look more popular than the Nats. Further, he has done three things to hurt the Nats TV: (1) the worst announcing team in MLB; (2) musical chairs with location of game broadcasts; and (3) turning Nats broadcasts into adverstisements for the Os with no marketing of the Nats. Remember Angelos, not the team, is responsible for the TV marketing of the team. Its not the owners fault.

Posted by: C'ville Nat | July 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I have also worked with DC Washington on a performance of Handel's Messiah a few years ago, and yes thats his actual name, on his birth certificate and everything. And he was born in either Mississippi, Louisiana, or Alabama. I can't remember which.

How fitting he ends up here.

Posted by: natsinthevalley | July 9, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Quoth the cooly execrable Dan Steinberg:

"In 2005 The Post spent considerably more travel dollars covering the Nats than the Redskins, which is by far our biggest meal ticket. In 2006, when the Redskins made the playoffs, The Post again spent more travel dollars covering the Nats. In 2007, The Post spent virtually the same amount covering the two teams. According to 2008 projections, The Post will spend more travel money covering the Nats and MLB (not including the Orioles) than on any other non-Olympic sport, and by a considerable margin. We are invested in this sport, and in this team."

This makes as much sense as the argument that the Nationals would be a better team if only they had a higher payroll.

The Lerners may or may not be tightwad penny-pinchers, but it sure appears that the Post is. Dan, it's not about how much money you spend doing something, it's about how much you get out of the money you spend. If you're looking for a currency with which to value the relative coverage the Post allots to the many sports teams in town, that currency is column inches of newsprint expended on the team per game played during a season. Can we have that figure for the Redskins, Caps, Wizards and Nationals, please?

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

JayB, wherever you are. Have you been keeping track? We do have a relatively small sample size to work with here...

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THE BET:

Your on.....I say it is over 6 runs on BPs and over 20 PB in 120 games.

Posted by: JayB | March 31, 2008 11:30 AM

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Since we reached the halfway point, how are we looking on the over/under?

Posted by: theraph | July 9, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for all the weighing in on TSSB last night - I was reading the recent comments while eating soup, and just about spit it out on my computer screen I was laughing so much.

In defense of the Nats, Sweet Caroline seems to be in decline - did not get played, for instance, when Perez was ejected and Shell had to warm up on the spot. I haven't heard it in over a month, so maybe someone is getting the message. Hope they also get the positive message about DC Washington.

Posted by: Traveler | July 9, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"cooly execrable" -- well played RKGF. And I think you should make your column inch point over in the Steinblog, it's a good one.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | July 9, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, I was at the game last night, and the performance of the National Anthem was, indeed, cooly excrable!

Posted by: Bob L. Head | July 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

@leetee1955: sure i'd rather young guys play than old guys, but my personal feeling is that Casto won't be a regular here. i should clarify, he'll play a lot, but not good.

@PTNBL: makes sense to me. i'm sure Rocco Baldelli's time is all a part of that too. but longoria has nothing to do with the DL.

when was the last time a Nats/Expos pitcher won 10 games in a season?

Posted by: longterm | July 9, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Two comments on Sweet Caroline:

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Did "Sweet Caroline" become a popular bar song before going to Fenway, or was it the other way?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 1:05 PM

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Fenway actually made that song popular. Neil Diamond has specifically thanked the city of Boston for the boost that gave (and is giving) his career!

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In defense of the Nats, Sweet Caroline seems to be in decline - did not get played, for instance, when Perez was ejected and Shell had to warm up on the spot.

Posted by: Traveler | July 9, 2008 1:25 PM

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Traveler, as I understand it, the Nats only play Sweet Caroline when two conditions are met: 1) the opposing team (NOT us) is bringing in a relief pitcher in the middle of an inning; and 2) we're winning. When was the last time those both happened at the same time at home? I sure don't remember the last time I heard it.

(Note to the constituency: That question was meant to be rhetorical, but I would be interested if one of you felt like looking it up.)

Posted by: boston | July 9, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I think the word has to be directed at someone, though.

Last week, upon striking out, Lo Duca slammed his hand against his bat and dropped a loud, well-enunciated f-bomb.

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most of the magic words that get you ejected either are or contain four magic letters that begin with the letter "F".

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 9, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

that $'s budgeted travel argument comparison between skins and nats is a joke. i understand them not giving a damn much better than that answer. of course baseball travels much more. how stupid.

Posted by: longterm | July 9, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"In defense of the Nats, Sweet Caroline seems to be in decline - did not get played, for instance, when Perez was ejected and Shell had to warm up on the spot. I haven't heard it in over a month, so maybe someone is getting the message."

The standard window of opportunity for Sweet Caroline has always been on an opposing team mid-inning pitcher change when the Nationals are ahead. They even have the moment hardwired in there when the music goes down a bit for Clint's buddy Jerome to say "Now pitching for the X, wht's his name."

So the Perez ejection definitely wasn't a Sweet Caroline opportunity. There was one SC opportunity back in the Friday night Orioles game, though, and they passed it up in favor of Twist and Shout. Maybe that's a hopeful sign.

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 9, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Without even clicking on the link, I know the song is "To Anacreon in Heaven."

Anacreon is the Greek god of drinking songs.

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You mean like the one Francis Scott Key borrowed from a popular drinking song? I'll give you this about Key's choice: being drunk helps an average loser like me sing it too.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If there is anything positive we can take away from this season, it's the fact that we have a team orthopedist who will casually drop a phrase like "constellation of misfortune" into a spoken interview.

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So the Nats' doc points out that there is a "constellation of misfortune" in the Natosphere, and 214's kid amends a baseball classic to fit the 2008 Nats("Root, root, root for the Nationals; if they don't care its a shame.") Classic.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 9, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

you know what would be nice in the Post? Some coverage of the Nats minor league teams. Maybe show the standings of the AAA/AA/A+/A- leagues. Maybe a quick recap of each of those teams' games from the night before. Perhaps if the casual sports fan started reading about how good the Harrisburg Senators or Potomac Nationals are, maybe they'll be a little more interested in the DC team. It may be too late to get people interested this season (it does help if the DC team would win every once and awhile), but maybe if they start doing it now, by next season people would get a little more excited.

Also, it would be nice if the Post of the Day wasn't always a negative one about the Nats.

And MASN should be showing more minor league games. They don't have to be live (replay them at midnight or the next morning, or at noon the next day). I really enjoyed watching a couple of the Senators games a week or so ago.

Posted by: e | July 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Anacreon is the Greek god of drinking songs."

It's official. I'm switching my religion to Ancient Greek. They have a whole god just for DRINKING SONGS!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It's just not the same when it's not Guillen calling a guy "a piece of garbage."

Oh, the good old days.

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"He is stupid," Pérez said, his face tightening in anger. "He is stupid and is an idiot.

"It's personal, and I hate that," Pérez said. "I don't like that. He's bad. He's awful. He's the worst."

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Without even clicking on the link, I know the song is "To Anacreon in Heaven."

"Anacreon is the Greek god of drinking songs."

Oh good, because the link was to Leslie Nielsen singing in Naked Gun ("lotsa bombs in the air...") and I would have hated for you to be so spectacularly disappointed in my culture!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

e, I like your suggestion about minors coverage in the Post. Do any other MLB teams have something like that?

And I have neither the time nor the inclination to dig through the comments of the Steinblog, but has anyone there mentioned that equal articles for the Nats and Skins means that football has ten times as many articles per game?? I'm not really part of the big coverage complaint because I'm happy getting news from all over the Natosphere, and I am a lot more sympathetic to the plight of the old-fashioned news media than you guys seem to be. But I don't think Steinberg's analysis holds much water.

Posted by: boston | July 9, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

the more I read through that blog entry by Steinberg, and the more I delve into it and make sense of exactly what he is trying to say, the more insulting it becomes.

am I the only one who feels this way?

Posted by: MrMadison | July 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Mr. Madison. No one else takes it personally enough to be insulted.

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the more I read through that blog entry by Steinberg, and the more I delve into it and make sense of exactly what he is trying to say, the more insulting it becomes.

am I the only one who feels this way?

Posted by: MrMadison | July 9, 2008 1:50 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"Rumors were that there was some pretty good major-league talent being offered, but Bowden held-out for the windfall and ended up with nothing."

macman, what rumors are these? i remember seeing a lot of rumors of pretty good talent (all minor league) being *ASKED* for, but i don't remember seeing much in the way of rumors of pretty good talent (major or minor league) being *OFFERED.* spark my memory of what the good talent being offered was.

"I think the word has to be directed at someone, though."

yes, JiM, you have to use the word(s) toward someone. it was very obvious that's what odalis was doing last night, since after the magic four-letter "F" word was spoken, he uttered "you" every time.

Posted by: 231 | July 9, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The Soriano exchange was a good one all the way around. Essentailly we gave up Wilkerson, Sledge, and Galaraga for a year of Soriano (very enjoyable) and two very high draft picks which were invested wisely. Sledge never again contributed significantly in the majors (palying in Japan), Wilkerson has been a minor contributor for three teams and is a marginal 5th outfileder, and Galaraga seems to be a decent number four starter but has not yet had the opportunity to show he can sustain his success. It is already a good trade and will likely get better when those minor league players mature.

I thought question three needed another posible answer. I would not have undone any of those deals. Why bother to undo the Pena deal. Gave up nothing, got nothing. Undo the Milledge Deal? Certainly not. No one could forsee Church having concussion problems, but everyone could forsee him being injurred. Milledge looks like a good long term player. Undo LoDucca? Not me. Why not take a shot at the free agent catcher. If he had remained un-injurred they would have traded him for something and bought Flores some more time. (BTW, Flores may still need some more time. He's having trouble hitting some breaking pitches). Undo Machowiak? Sure but, big whoop. Low cost flier. Had Dmitri been healthy he would never have made the team to begin with.
What could have been undone that was meaningful? I would have undone offering Lopez arbitration or undone not trading Cordero.

Posted by: NatBisquit | July 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

to the anonymous guy who didn't sign his post -

point taken.

Posted by: MrMadison | July 9, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Someone beat me to the Bleedin' Gums reference. What people should remember about the SSB is that it is set to a pub song, that we lesser singers can sing, slightly offkey because normal people can't hit all the notes. It has a pace. The only drama comes from the words themselves.

Posted by: PTBNL | July 9, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

No, Mr. Madison, it is indeed insulting. As longterm said, of course the bloody travel dollars are higher - there are far more games in baseball. (But now that they'll have 3 writers covering the Redskins, that travel dollar number vs the Nationals should go up.)

Frankly, I never had much use for that sportsbog or whatever it's called, anyway.

Posted by: samantha7 | July 9, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Mr. Madison, samantha, and others re. the bog entry (and I don't tend to follow that blog either).

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

boston and RKGF, thanks for these - and the GHF reaction is, wow, I found an upside to the losing streak and losing season! Hope we keep going with T&S, also try new things.
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Traveler, as I understand it, the Nats only play Sweet Caroline when two conditions are met: 1) the opposing team (NOT us) is bringing in a relief pitcher in the middle of an inning; and 2) we're winning. When was the last time those both happened at the same time at home? I sure don't remember the last time I heard it.
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The standard window of opportunity for Sweet Caroline has always been on an opposing team mid-inning pitcher change when the Nationals are ahead. They even have the moment hardwired in there when the music goes down a bit for Clint's buddy Jerome to say "Now pitching for the X, wht's his name."

So the Perez ejection definitely wasn't a Sweet Caroline opportunity. There was one SC opportunity back in the Friday night Orioles game, though, and they passed it up in favor of Twist and Shout. Maybe that's a hopeful sign.

Posted by: Traveler ;-) | July 9, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"The Nationals' roster isn't impressing anyone. "They have nothing but fringe players in their every day lineup," one competing exec said."
-Pulled from Jon Heyman's column on current trade rumors.

Posted by: N@sfan | July 9, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

@RKGF

Of course the Post spends more on having a reporter (or intern) cover the Nats. The Nats play 81 road games in four different time zones each year and the trips are usually to one or more cities. The Snydermen take eight regular season trips and two are to Philadelphia and New Jersey (Giants). They are usually one-day trips and the team returns home after the game. Steinbog is using an apples-vs.-oranges defense for his indefensible logic.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 9, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Excellent point, leetee, and one that a number of posters have made on the bog. My favorite spin was the excellent recasting of the stats by 506.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"Steinbog is using an apples-vs.-oranges defense for his indefensible logic."

Isn't that basically what I said? Why the condescension from you?

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 9, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The Steinbog thing is an insult--but at least he's addressing it. I understand the position that Barry was in towards the end, but I was disappointed that he didn't address the coverage issue to the extent he had suggested he would--remember his "show us how the sausage is made" promise? As I pointed out in my reply to Steinbog, though, Barry did recognize that coverage could and should improve.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | July 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

@ e (re minor league coverage):

I totally agree. Even if it is just standings and/or statistics, the Post should cover the minor league teams (some of which are in the metropolitan area for Pete's sake!). I grew up in Philly and the Inquirer always used to print the rosters of the Reading and Scranton/WB teams, and many times the box scores. Not sure if they still do, though.

Posted by: Scott in Shaw | July 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"The Nationals' roster isn't impressing anyone. 'They have nothing but fringe players in their every day lineup,' one competing exec said."--- this from si.com.
ya think?
and why oh why are the nats viewership down??
hmmmm. no kiddin.

Posted by: dk | July 9, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

maybe kasten, and bowden can sell tix to their minor league teams that they are so proud of. those guys and this team stinks.
kasten and bowden are definitely past their prime. what a freakin joke.

Posted by: dk | July 9, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

@RKGF,

I was attempting to buttress your point. No condescension intended,

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 9, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Never got back to Ray King's Gut Feeling about D.C. Washington - was away from my desk. That is his real name - not a stage name - pretty cool. He lives in Woodbridge.

Posted by: masnstinks | July 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

one of the biggest fallacies in steinbog's story is that most of the nats home games are televised-over-the air either on friday or saturday or both. naturally since most of the people who would be home watching are likely at the at the game that cuts down on viewers. also most of the away games are also on my20 on those nights when people are out socializing and not likely watching the game also skews the findings.

Posted by: natsscribe | July 9, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Starting the following groundless rumors:

- LoDucca and Belliard to the Angels for Itzuris and Rivera.

- Lopez and Rivera to Dodgers for DeWitt

- Young and Nieves to Rangers for Blalock

- Rauch and Redding to Yankees for Kennedy and Duncan

- Giambi wears a thong. (oh wait, that last one is true.

Posted by: NatBisquit | July 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Gold lamé, thank you very much.

Posted by: NR Giambi | July 9, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Washington 34-57
Seattle 35-55 (1.5GB)
San Diego 36-55 (2GB)

Posted by: #1 Pick in 2009 | July 9, 2008 8:44 AM

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Congrats guys, you all now root for OFFICIALLY the worst team in MLB.

Posted by: O's Exec | July 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh my God, did you hear? Rauch and Redding to the Yankees for Kennedy and Duncan!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I hear that they also threw in Giambi's thong, 506.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

That ought to get the offense going...

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

JayB, wherever you are. Have you been keeping track? We do have a relatively small sample size to work with here...
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THE BET:
Your on.....I say it is over 6 runs on BPs and over 20 PB in 120 games.
Posted by: JayB | March 31, 2008 11:30 AM
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Since we reached the halfway point, how are we looking on the over/under?
Posted by: theraph | July 9, 2008 1:22 PM

@theraph - I do RECALL.....Do I get any credit for the Dropped ball at 1st base that let in the winning run?

Posted by: JayB | July 9, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe show the standings of the AAA/AA/A+/A- leagues."
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The AAAA team is 34-57

Posted by: 756* | July 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Another well-played jab at their awful record. At this point, I'm just going to ride this horse until it dies. And then ride it some more! Maybe I can hook it up with an mp3 player to kick some 311.

Posted by: O's Exec's Conscience | July 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm offended.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

@theraph - I do RECALL.....Do I get any credit for the Dropped ball at 1st base that let in the winning run?

Posted by: JayB | July 9, 2008 4:26 PM

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I vote "yes", since it met all the rules for a passed ball, except, uhm, it wasn't behind the plate. But other than that...

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I can hook it up with an mp3 player to kick some 311.

Posted by: O's Exec's Conscience | July 9, 2008 4:50 PM

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Sorry buddy don't have any 311 on my Ipod right now. Of course right now I wouldn't mind listening to their song "Who's got the herb?" right about now. Speaking of which......

Posted by: O's Exec | July 9, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Starting the following groundless rumors:

- LoDucca and Belliard to the Angels for Itzuris and Rivera.

- Lopez and Rivera to Dodgers for DeWitt

- Young and Nieves to Rangers for Blalock

- Rauch and Redding to Yankees for Kennedy and Duncan
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That's the most fantastical post yet! Both teams have to agree to the trade, you cannot force them to agree at gunpoint.

Posted by: 756* | July 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Come on. I gotta stop talking to myself. Doesn't look good. At least I made myself look cool, though.

Posted by: O's Exec's Conscience | July 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

No you didn't.

Posted by: O's Exec's Id | July 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Both teams have to agree to the trade, you cannot force them to agree at gunpoint."

Well, if Bowden were REALLY committed to putting a winning team on the field, he'd do what needs to be done, know what I'm sayin'?

Posted by: Stereotypical Bowden-bashing NJ Poster | July 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm a god.

Posted by: O's Exec Super-Ego | July 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Make the trade or you dead, dawg.

Posted by: Bowden to Cashman | July 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

FOOD, SNARL, SHKNOOOOORK, MMMMM

Posted by: O's Exec's Id | July 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, I've got a bunch of clowns imitating me and jocking me! I rule so hard. I gotta play this right, though...gotta capitalize to maximize the impact. Another jab at their record? Hmmmmm, I don't know. I haven't ragged on their farm system in awhile. Maybe that's the play. Or maybe I just need to drop some more names and make these idiots recognize they're actually messing with somebody. Whatever I do, I need to stay cool. Stay cool, dude. I own this room.

Posted by: O's Exec's Conscience | July 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Boy I bet Freud could have a field day with me..

Posted by: O's Exec Ego | July 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey, It's Enrico Palazzo!

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Oh good, because the link was to Leslie Nielsen singing in Naked Gun ("lotsa bombs in the air...") and I would have hated for you to be so spectacularly disappointed in my culture!

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Boy I bet Freud could have a field day with me..

Posted by: maybe it's just a cigar | July 9, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we're missing the point on TV ratings. I've always chalked it up to DC not being a baseball town, which is why I thought this whole thing was bad idea, my own fandom notwithstanding. But if newspapers are undergoing a phase transition (sorta like stagecoaches got in the late 19th c.), how far behind can TV be?
DC is one of the more Internet-hooked areas in the U.S., but one of the hardest to find, and hardest to watch, baseball teams on TV. That's not a happy combination for ratings.

Posted by: ce | July 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

On a somewhat related note, if I recall correctly, the ratings didn't factor in MLB TV.

On an unrelated note, where is Odalisque with those lineups? ;)

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in NJ history, the Post of the Day goes to a post in another blog.

You have to go to the Bog and read the thread to appreciate it fully.

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VA Blue Blood, where does the AAAAAAAAA team play?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

That's classic.

To be honest, because of that movie, every time I hear the actual Star Spangled Banner at a game, I can't help but chuckling during that part of the song.

(That's not offensive, though, because I'm a veteran.)

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Oh good, because the link was to Leslie Nielsen singing in Naked Gun ("lotsa bombs in the air...") and I would have hated for you to be so spectacularly disappointed in my culture!

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 9, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Does it factor in Extra Innings? That's also not clear.

Isn't there a game in, um, an hour? Where are the lineups? I'm sharpening my coverage pitchfork!!

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On a somewhat related note, if I recall correctly, the ratings didn't factor in MLB TV.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in NJ history, the Post of the Day goes to a post in another blog.

You have to go to the Bog and read the thread to appreciate it fully.

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VA Blue Blood, where does the AAAAAAAAA team play?

Posted by: | July 9, 2008 5:56 PM

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Behind the Post: You have no idea how long it took me to type all those A's and make sure I had the right number. I'm pretty sure I blew out my cornea.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

There they are. Seven minutes ago. Sorry, Andrew. I'll put the coverage pitchfork away.

For now...

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't think so on the extra innings, John, but I'm not sure.

Also, lineups are there now. That was quick!

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

New

Posted by: Post | July 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Dang, John beat me to the punch.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

If Extra Innings is the Internet MLB TV, then I don't think so. Also, in the comments section of the first of his blog postings re. ratings, Steinbog said that they included only the DC market and not the other locations where MASN is available.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 9, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

os exec, im also an os fan. unfortunately they blew it in their recent homestand. any chance of really doing anything was ended there. although we did go see them july 4 in their only win against texas and i havta say the ballpark there was pretty empty for a holiday weekend. we were shocked. still a great park though. and aj will be a bigtime performer one day.

Posted by: dk | July 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

We had an excellent turnout on the 4th, despite a one-hour rain delay.

Posted by: P-Nats Exec | July 9, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

While Willy Mo shouldn't be starting for anyone, it's not like the Nats gave up much for him. As for Soriano, if the Nats had re-signed him, the trade to bring him in would have gone down in history as one of the most lopsided deals. It was a great trade. The mistake was not negotiating a new deal while there was an opportunity to do so.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 9, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

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