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Insult, injury, repeat

Sorry to interrupt the afternoon with your regularly scheduled dose of injury news, but the Nationals just placed infielder Aaron Boone on the 15-day DL with a left calf strain, a move retroactive to July 7.

The Nats have recalled Pete Orr from Class AAA Columbus. Orr, as you'll remember, was up here from June 21-30.

As for Boone, he had injured himself against Cincinnati while pinch running on Sunday. At the time, even though Boone wasn't certain of the injury's severity, he felt kind of "embarrassed about how it happened."

This is DL move No. 20 this season.

I'm out here at the stadium with Andrew again tonight. We'll post some reaction a bit later once the clubhouse opens up.

By Chico Harlan  |  July 10, 2008; 3:20 PM ET
 
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Thanks, Chico! Great scoop. Or terrible scoop. Dang it, Chico, how could you do this?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know what the average is, per team per season, for number of players put on the DL in a season?

Posted by: NYC Nats Fan | July 10, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Boone's injury and Pete Orr's promotion led to three Nationals farmhands getting promotions based on performance.

Leonard Davis from Harrisburg to Columbus
Marvin Lowrance from Potomac to Harrisburg
Boomer Whiting from Hagerstown to Potomac

FWIW

Posted by: Glass Half Full | July 10, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

so the post has two interns covering tonight's game, eh?

Posted by: natsscribe | July 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

True or False:

The Nats will set the major league record for most retroactive DL moves in a season?

.....I mean I understand waiting a day or two to see how it may "feel in the morning" or to try and work it out; however, the late diagnosis of these injuries is worth investigating. I'm not getting out the torches and pitchforks, just saying that it's worth looking into.

Posted by: Corey | July 10, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised to see another injury something or other on LoDuca. He was limping around a little longer than usual after his HBP.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 10, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

you do realize that july 7 is only three days ago, right corey?

Posted by: 231 | July 10, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

reposting, since i was newp osted...

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lessee...

loduca: just a 1 yr $5m contract, not a 4 yr $48m contract, has never played less than two years anywhere yet and has played on three teams in his career before coming here (over 11 years), not third team in three years, 8th in 6 years, and 10th in 11 years like guillen.

meathook: has recovered from his personal issues and proven it so far in his time here (and when we acquired him, it was a minor league contract, not on a $48m contract). DC is his 4th team in 12 years, nowhere less than two (unless he gets traded this year).

dukes: younger, not a $48m contract, team hopes he can change (nobody expects guillen to change).

estrada: he's only a backup (and was never intended to be more than that), so not really a relevant comparison

so eh, way less inherent risk in *all* of those players than guillen.

Posted by: 231 | July 10, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The Mariners released Richie Sexon Why don't the nats sign him and give him a chance at first he has 11 Homeruns thats more than anybody on the nats.

Posted by: DJ 26 | July 10, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised to see another injury something or other on LoDuca. He was limping around a little longer than usual after his HBP.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 10, 2008 3:37 PM
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When 36 years old you reach, limp around that much you will, too.

Show some respect, ya impudent whelp.

Posted by: Scooter | July 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

For those interested,

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-05-14-safety-in-numbers_N.htm

According to this article 404 players went to the DL last year for all 30 teams...
~14 per team, Of course the average is flawed in many ways, but with 14 per team and 20 already for the Nats just past half-way, that is a glaring number. But I'd like to see somewhere if they have a listing of the past 10 years or something for each team.

Posted by: NYC Nats Fan | July 10, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Why would we want sexson he's a poor mans adam dunn except worse. What do you guys think?

Posted by: Henry | July 10, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"But some of you feel that it's the Post's responsibility to cover the team in a way that increases the team's popularity."

Actually, I believe most of us feel that it's the Post's responsibility to cover the team in a way that increases the popularity of their coverage of the team. Otherwise, why are they spending all that money on it that Dan Steinberg and others complain about them having to spend?

Look at it this way: A company is spending a lot of money putting out a product that is being ignored by a huge number of people. And of those relatively few people who AREN'T ignoring that product, a large majority are complaining about the product. Sounds like something must be wrong with the product the company is spending so much money to put out, right? So what would a smart company do in that situation? They'd either improve their product so that fewer people would ignore it or complain about it, or they'd cut their losses and just quit producing the product altogether. They certainly wouldn't lay the blame on the suppliers of the inferior parts that go into the production of their product and continue on with business as usual, would they? That would be stupid!

But the Washington Post continues in that situation to produce a product (Nationals coverage) that is either largely ignored or otherwise disdained, and lays the entire blame on the supplier of the raw material for that product (the Nationals) for not giving them good material to work with. A smart company, a company that gets it, would never do that. But the Washington Post just doesn't get it. And as someone once said, if you don't get it, you don't get it.

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 10, 2008 3:42 PM

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I'm reposting this from the Bog, because it was perfectly timed. Whether or not one agrees with the arguments (I do), you have to admire that RKGF truly nailed the execution on this one. Post of the day?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

From a previous post... What's a slot team?

Posted by: Clueless | July 10, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Why would we want sexson he's a poor mans adam dunn except worse. What do you guys think?

Posted by: Henry | July 10, 2008 3:49 PM

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Worse than a poor man's Adam Dunn? Or worse than Adam Dunn?

Either way, you're right. If we had Boone starting at first, I might be tempted to try, though...

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Good pull, NYC.

There are a lot of ways to extrapolate the data that I would find interesting.

For starters, can we determine how the Nats stack up in concurrent DL assignments? That is, how many players are on the DL at a given time, and how does that stack up against the league?

Also, how many games have the Nats entered where at least one non-reserve player was on the DL, and how does that compare?

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's a pic of a slot team, Clueless:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/09Nh6wIfMX0l8/610x.jpg

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I was new posted. I'll drop some of the detail on how I derived the runs allowed with the 5 best ERAs on the NL All Star team but copy the gist of the rest. If you want to second guess my technique, go to the previous post.

"For the fun of it, I tried to calculate how much better the Nats record would be if, instead of the starting pitchers we used this year, we had the 5 NL All Star pitchers with the best ERA, but kept our bullpen and our offense. To do this, I:
[see previous post]
. . .

"4) Added all star starter earned runs to bullpen earned runs to estimate 3.872 ER per 9 innings as the All Star rotation team ERA, or an estimated 356.224 Earned Runs allowed over 92 games.

We have scored 331 year to date, or 3.598 runs per game. Note that this all runs, not just earned runs, and note this runs per games and not runs per 9 innings. Both of those assumptions bias the number higher than the pitching number.

"Using the simple Pythagorean formula (Square of Runs Scored / (square of runs scored plus square of runs allowed), you would get a .463 winning percentage, or 42 - 43 wins vs. our current 35 wins.

"Why bother with this? Some have been pounding like heck on management for not spending more on high level free agent starting pitching this past off season. Even if you brought in the the freakin' all star team, that would have only meant a difference of 7 - 8 wins! The Plan's effect on starting pitching is not the problem with this team. You can argue Rowand / Hunter, perhaps a few other position players and Brad Lidge in the bullpen, but let's start to lay off on the decision to go with internal options and low cost FAs for the rotation."

Posted by: PTBNL | July 10, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

!!!!, PTBNL.

Banger!

I'm impressed.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

oh no, sexton is *not* a poor man's adam dunn, at least offensively. the only thing they have in common is low batting average (and dunn's is still higher). dunn has 2x the home runs and actually walks. not just sometimes, but a lot (380 something OBP). sexton is homer or head back to the bench.

now sexton is probably a better defensive 1B than dunn, but i don't think that's enough to overcome the horrible plate appearances.

Posted by: 231 | July 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

to NYCNatsFan (and you have my sympathy):

Interesting set of statistics. I would also like to see a 10 year comparison, but it may be apples and oranges (or Apples & PCs). I think that, somewhere down the line, the rules about bringing folks up from AA/AAA have changes. Even if the rules haven't changed, practices and, in many cases, locations have. Over the past few years, MLB clubs have worked to switch minor league franchises closer to home. This allowed regional fans to build loyalty to and familiarity with players before they hit the majors. More important, it allowed quick call-ups without wasting a day on either end.

Posted by: Catcher50 | July 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

My understanding from Charlie and Dave the other night is that Boone injured himself running out of the dugout on his WAY to pinch run. Very ... Escobarean.

Posted by: Capitol Hill | July 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

A silly question: I'm seeing a lot of references in the comments to Adam Dunn as a first baseman, yet I can't find any evidence that he's played a single game at that position in two years.

Are all the folks making such references just assuming that he would be switched to first, since he's no great shakes in left?

Posted by: Scooter | July 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

PTBNL,
Great analysis!
So let's stay with the plan and...
oh, yea....
SIGN THE DAMED DRAFT CHOICES
oooooops...
sign the darned draft choices (me being patient...FOR NOW)

Let's play two

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | July 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

speaking of "Escobarean" why pete orr and not alex escobar? At least call up a guy who has pop.

Posted by: Ocean City, MD | July 10, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Catcher and John

Both absolutely right, John your two questions are exactly what I was thinking, Catcher about the changes in practice I'm sure you're right about that, but shouldn't effect it dramatically, if their injured their injured, youre always going to move a AAA guy up, no?

One other thing I'd like to atleast look at are DL moves w.r.t. division winners, pennant winners, WS winners and bottom of division teams, we always hear about injuries effecting teams, but I'd like to quantitatively explore this.... Now if I could just...get...those numbers...Maybe I'll do some digging myself and find out the hard way.

Posted by: NYC Nats Fan | July 10, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Why would we want sexson he's a poor mans adam dunn except worse. What do you guys think?

Posted by: Henry | July 10, 2008 3:49 PM

avg OBP SLG OPS+
.227 .384 .518 133

.218 .315 .381 90

I'll let you figure out which of these lines belongs to who. But just to let you know, a 130 OPS+ is real good and a 90 OPS+ sucks.

It's hard to call Richmond Sexson a poor man's anybody seeing as how he's stealing $15 million from the Mariners for this.

Posted by: Gal Revels in Pee | July 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"so eh, way less inherent risk in *all* of those players than guillen."

Dukes: threatened to kill his gf and baby
Young: beat his wife.
LoDuca: hailed when he first arrived in NY, not spoken to by the time he left. Devisive in the clubhouse.
Estrada: ATl '05, ARZ '06, MIL '07, NYM offseason, WAS '08...

At least Guillen went after people his own size (or larger - Scioscia).

The reason they didn't resign Guillen wasn't due to his character. And we could definitely use his bat. Replacing him with clowns like Kearns is laughable.

Posted by: 756* | July 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

OC, MD. they brought up Orr because he can play 1B and 3B, like boone. escobar can't play the infield.

Posted by: 231 | July 10, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

OC, I'm guessing the Nats would rather the callup be an infielder.

Clueless, here's some background into the "slot system": Bud Selig basically tries to keep draft salaries in check by assigning each pick a signing bonus amount that is what the pick should recieve. Being a "slot team" is exactly what we don't want to be. That means we'll lose out on players because we won't go above slot and at some times we'll draft somewhat inferior players because better ones will have higher demands than the slotted amount.

Last year, we went WAY over slot for McGeary. Not sure why we have to be so cheap this time around. Oh wait. The Lerners are the owners.

Posted by: DCSportsPlus.blogspot.com | July 10, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I do realize that, but the legitimacy of my quasi-serious question was not based on Boone's injury.....just more of a "on the surface" observation that we rarely see the term DL without being accompanied by retroactive.

Posted by: Corey | July 10, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

*you* say that's why they didn't resign him, but how do you know for sure?

but that's why i wouldn't necessarily be thrilled with him back. his production (when healthy) doesn't necessarily make up for the longer term headaches. and you're stuck longer term because he's signed for 4 years, not 1-2.

you obviously have no room for redemption. but if that's so, why welcome back guillen? because he can hit? so can dukes. and dmitri.

but your response ignored one of the more important parts of my argument. $48m/4 yrs. that's a lot of money and a lot of commitment for a guy who wears out his welcome quickly. at least lo duca and estrada (who, btw, play a different position) are on 1 yr deals. dmitri (another position as well) is on a 2 yr deal. and dukes isn't even arbitration eligible. any of those guys could be cut loose if they did something bad w/o a lot of hand wringing over the financial commitment. guillen? not so much.

Posted by: 231 | July 10, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

A "slot team" is a team that will only offer the MLB advised money (signing bonus) that is appropriate for that specific slot in the draft of amateur players.

The Nats were not a slot team last year and paid several players "above slot" after the 2007 draft.

Also note that the Yankees and Red Sox have also not signed their 2008 1st Rounders; the Tigers and Mets have. And only 2 of the top 10 have signed.

Posted by: Sec 114, Row E | July 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

corey, i think you'll always see "retroactive" DLs when the injury isn't a clear cut 2 weeks or more outage. if it's only 5 days, teams often will just play short a few days so they don't lose the player for 15 instead of just 5.

Posted by: 231 | July 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Can someone point me to where Bowden's comment about the Nats being a "slot team" is reported? I saw Andrew's "Bowden Speaks" blog entry (excellent stuff, thanks) but that specific quote is not there--+.5 Street made reference to it in a comment, but that's it. We all know Bowden postures a lot about this stuff (like eating Froot Loops with Michael Burgess), but it is noteworthy nonetheless that he would take this position publicly, if he did. Stan was fond of making comparisons to the Tigers last year, but Dombrowski would never say something like that publicly, regardless what his negotiating position might be with the player.

As to comments from NatsNut and JiM in the last entry about us perhaps being a bit rough on Chico, I think they were well said and I don't have much to add. With respect to the blog in particular, we should remember that other than the first year of Spring Training, Barry didn't get the blog started until he had been on the beat for 2 years. I hope, and think--as demonstrated by his willingness to discuss these issues--that Chico understands our comments (at least most of us) are intended to be constructive, and not mean-spirited. To the extent Chico's editors seem not to care very much about the substance of the Nats coverage (and for that debate I direct you to the Steinbog), I hope that our constructive comments do, at least to an extent, fill that void. And I hope that Cindy Boren's comment in one of the Steinbog threads that baseball beat writers have a short shelf life is not prophetic here--it is certainly not always the case at other papers.

Posted by: Coverage is lacking | July 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Last year, we went WAY over slot for McGeary. Not sure why we have to be so cheap this time around. Oh wait. The Lerners are the owners.

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Yes, we should get back last year's owners.

Posted by: arkymark | July 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

To those of you complaining about the Post's Nats coverage ...

If you watched the games on MASN/MASN2/My20 you wouldn't need the Post.

I'm not sayin' ... I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: Not Really Jon Stewart | July 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

This looks like a bargain to me ... from MLB.com:

"Sexson will go through a waiver period that expires on Monday and can be signed to another Major League organization for about $200,000 -- half the MLB minimum salary. The Mariners, meanwhile, are responsible for the remainder of Sexson's four-year, $64 million contract, which is slightly more than $7 million."

Posted by: Nothing Wrong With Dumpster Diving If You're Starving | July 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

CiL

Maybe Cindy's comment about the short shelf life of baseball writers is specific to the Post because unlike most of the on-line papers I read daily (NYC, Bos, SF, StL) there isn't a consistent backup reporter that handles maybe 30 games a year to give the regular writers a break. Writers like Kristie Ackert at the NY Daily News, Mark Hale and Mike Puma of the NY Post, and Rusty Simmons and John Shea of the SF Chronicle to name a few. If the Post added a part-timer to cover say 30 games a year solo and do sidebar stories for another 50 games then maybe burnout wouldn't be such a factor.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Hear, hear, CiL.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

For anyone that cares.. dcrtv.com is reporting Phil Wood has been let go of WTEM 980.

Posted by: Matt LeCroy | July 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

He has pop? You mean that sound you heard emanating from his knee while he buttoned up his jersey?

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speaking of "Escobarean" why pete orr and not alex escobar? At least call up a guy who has pop.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 10, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

As a pre-lineup recap of todays comments:

- Take it easy on Chico...he is not Edes, he only apprenticed for him

- As for Day 1 after Nats BogGate...WP coverage has not improved

- 756* has a superhuman ability to cut/paste...possibly performanced enhanced

- Acta's moves to pinch hit Flores for Lannan and switch Belliard for Dmitri were prescient, yet caused me to yell at the empty seats in front of me at the time

- A lineup of all-star SP's would make the Nats 8 wins better and only 6.5 games behind the Phillies

- Statistically, the Nats have already visited the nurses office more this year than the average team did for all of 2007 (Stats provided by USA Today pretty pie chart)

- Rumors circulate about the creation of an anti firebowden website. Not necessarily in support of bowden, mind you, but created to annoy SoCH

- Andrew the Intern has confirmed Nationals Ballpark as the name for Nationals Ballpark

- mjames is eerily similar to the heckling old guy muppets with the balcony seats

- Now starting at 1B for the Nationals...Richie Sexson

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | July 10, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Yes, yes, yes, and yes, NYC. Chico, I know you're reading this. Is there someone at NJ who can look into this?

Hockey has the "man games lost" stat (http://tinyurl.com/67bkbr), but even that's not detailed enough for our needs, as it doesn't factor in players who are out for the year or really assess the value of the player lost to injury.

Any sense of perspective would be much appreciated, and PTBNL is not allowed to provide it. That man's already done enough work today (amazing post, by the way).

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One other thing I'd like to at least look at are DL moves w.r.t. division winners, pennant winners, WS winners and bottom of division teams, we always hear about injuries effecting teams, but I'd like to quantitatively explore this....

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Re Phil Woods news: unbelievable, concerning the timing (middle of baseball season) yet all too believable with the change in ownership. What a baseball town!! Now there's no local sports talk show devoted to baseball, unless you count the sporadic postgame Nats' call-ins on 107.7.

On the Nats' injuries (and I'm thinking in particular here of Dukes's awkward falling against the wall and Boonie jogging in to pinch run), remember the "old days" when in the offseason the Senators' players would sometimes scrimmage the Redskins' players in a charity basketball game? Can you imagine our current bunch playing full-court basketball for an hour?
Or what if they had to undergo a football OTA? I think Kruk was right, at least for our guys: they're ballplayers, not athletes (although some might qustion even that).

Posted by: CapPeterson | July 10, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Harlan,

You are a talented writer -- better I dare say than your talented predecessor -- and your priority is as it should be unless the Post starts charging for access to its on-line content writing for the hard copy edition of the Post. Why not stop calling the Nationals Journal a blog, let the website post updates when your or a colleague have any, and cut off the comment function? Seriously, why do you need to worry about the ranting of a few folks, most of whom pay nothing for what they receive and still complain about it as though their human rights were being violated. With all due respect to "Coverage is Lacking" and others, why is your life, the Post's or anyone else's benefited by this non-stop carping about the quality of the Post's coverage? If subscribers are that agitated, cancel your subscription and vote with your feet. If the complainers are just website parasites, who cares?

Posted by: enough of this crap | July 10, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

They can't remember our names, but they all know how to spell "Svrluga!"

Too bad te team can't spell "win!" Ha ha ha!

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mjames is eerily similar to the heckling old guy muppets with the balcony seats

Posted by: Statler and Waldorf | July 10, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

You can't even spell "the."

Posted by: Rowlf | July 10, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Lovin' the slot team, 506. LOL!

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 10, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg is a whiny poo poo head. All he likes to write about is stoopid goofy topics (racing predsident heads) and takes a negative spin on all dc sports teams.

Posted by: GoNATSSSSSSSSSSS | July 10, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I second (or third) the Chico-related comments by NatsNut, JiM. and CiL. Also, good one about the pop, JiM.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Also, the coverage-related comments were in response to the bogs that Steinberg posted on the topic.

Posted by: NATSSSSSSGo | July 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Why is playing Richie Sexson any improvement over Meat?

Posted by: FireJimBowden.Blogspot.com | July 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

'With all due respect to "Coverage is Lacking" and others, why is your life, the Post's or anyone else's benefited by this non-stop carping about the quality of the Post's coverage?'

Because Steinberg asked about it, most people started talking then. It's mostly been confined there, instead of here. In fact, this is probably the most productive coverage discussion we've ever had, ever. In the whole history of the journal.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree, 506. I nominate it for consideration in the pantheon of Great Moments in Journal History. (seriously)

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Also, thanks for the news, Chico (even if it is not good news).

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say, the Sexson stuff is madness...absolute, dive-off-the-bridge, anybody's-gotta-be-better-then-our-junk, madness. Sexson stinks - he got cut not just by the worst team in the AL, but by the lowest scoring team in the AL. If he had any redeeming offensive value, don't you think he would have stayed? And now we want to take one of our better hitters and replace him with a guy who couldn't stick on the worst offensive team in the AL? Besides that, he's old - 33 and aging quickly, so he'd be for the end of this year only. How many wins do you think he'd add to our 70-win pace?

And 756 - Guillen's really not worth it. Put aside the character stuff, since it's not really relevant - he's not worth it as a player. He had to have a monster hot streak just to get himself up to a 101 OPS+, so he's basically a dead-average hitter who KC is paying $12m a year for the next four years. Considering he's 32 now, he's as good as he's likely to get over the span of this contract, so you're looking at it being downhill from here. Meanwhile, if we resign Guillen back when we had the chance, we lose Burgess, who's clearly got the potential to be at least as good.

Posted by: Highway 295 Revisited | July 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

the only advantage of playing sexton over dmitri is defense. sexton is supposed to be at least a decent defensive 1B, if not a good defensive 1B. we all know dmitri is only decent on his best days defensively. but he's a better hitter right now than sexton is.

Posted by: 231 | July 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"Because Steinberg asked about it, most people started talking then. It's mostly been confined there, instead of here. In fact, this is probably the most productive coverage discussion we've ever had, ever. In the whole history of the journal.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 5:48 PM"

Well then perhaps we have fundamentally different expectations of what the Washington Post ought to provide to us. I subscribe and read the Post each morning. I check the Nationals Journal to see if there is late-breaking news or insights. It is a bonus for which I pay nothing. I'm also very interested in the Tour de France, but the fact that the Post covers it only via wire services doesn't get me all hot and bothered. There are a ton of resources on the net where I can find what I want. If the Post's Nat's coverage doesn't float your boat, go someplace else. I really don't think there is a lot of crossover between Nationals Journal readership and the Columbia School of Journalism Prize Committee, so I end where I started wondering quite why anyone cares about the coverage concerns of posters to a free "blog".

Posted by: enough of this crap | July 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

where does complaining about the complainers rate on the crap complaining scale relative to just complaining?

more crap...or less crap?

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | July 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

if you don't really care what the commenters say, and you even propose removing the comments section of the blog, why do you bother to read the comments if you don't feel they add any value? if you ignore the comments, for all intents and purposes, it is the same to you as if the post just disabled commenting...

i'm just sayin...

Posted by: 231 | July 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Meanwhile, if we resign Guillen back when we had the chance, we lose Burgess, who's clearly got the potential to be at least as good."

Not to mention his past numbers were juiced.

"Well then perhaps we have fundamentally different expectations of what the Washington Post ought to provide to us, etc."

Please don't conflate pitchfork wielding with sensible requests for more. I urge you to take a look at the Sports Bog and you'll see there are a lot of very well reasoned, non-impassioned posts there that spell out what would be nicer, along with a lot of compliments for the good work we do have already.

I won't relive it all, but a few quick points:
- it'd be nice to have more features by our excellent beat writer that focus on big themes, even if it means interns have to cover some games
- Other non-Redskins teams could also use an increase in focus, especially when there are real longterm interests (e.g. the Caps successful rebuilding)
- Smart business does not necessarily mean retroactively following trends en masse, but, more often, involves producing a compelling product

As to why post on a free blog: where else is there to comment? Chico and Steinberg seem to be the only people at the Post willing to show they listen. And, of course, Cindy and Jon, who are true gems that the Post needs to lock-up stat.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"And now, for something completly different" - Here's a posssible lineup (spawned from my singularly twisted mind), for all of you to mulch.
2B-Lopez, F.
LF- Pena, W.M.
SS- Guzman, C.
RF- Kearns, A.
1B- Young, D.
C- Flores, J.
3B- Belliard, R.
CF- Bernadina, R.
P- Bergmann, J.
Have at it!

Posted by: BIM | July 10, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of lineups, come see me.

Posted by: New post | July 10, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Pay your bills, field a team!

Posted by: cabraman | July 11, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

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