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The 2008 Fan Satisfaction Poll

The baseball season offers conflicting definitions about its halfway point. You can divide the season in two based on mathematics -- the Nats played their 82nd game just more than a week ago -- or you can split the season around the All-Star Game, the break separating the first and second half.

Well, how about a compromise? We're halfway between the mathematical and conventional midway points. So this might be the best place of all to introduce the Nationals Journal Fan Satisfaction Poll. For each of the next five days, leading up to the brink of the all-star break, we'll offer five questions regarding a vital aspect of the Washington Nationals franchise.

By week's end, I'll compile, sort and analyze. Maybe we'll learn something. Maybe we'll just get a chance to rant about the past and piece together the future. Either way, I think measurements like this have some non-scientific value. And DC is a town that likes its polls.

Here are the various categories we'll be entertaining over the next few days. Five questions in each, so be quick or be thorough -- either way works. Some of these questions will be open-ended, others will be Yes/No. If you're rushed, you needn't attack all of them. Just enjoy.

Today: TICKETS AND BUSINESS

Tomorrow: STRATEGY FOR FUTURE

Wednesday: INJURIES AND MISSTEPS

Thursday: TEAM MANAGEMENT

Friday: BLAME AND SOLUTIONS

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Before we get into today's questions, here are the stories from the print edition. We've got the gamer (about a team losing its sixth in seven), the notebook (about Dukes), and the All-Star news story, which leads with Guzman's selection.

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Tickets and Business:

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half? How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
g.) other (please list)

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

a.) between $5-10
b.) between $11-25
c.) between $26-$50
d.) between $51-100
e.) more than $101

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
b.) The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take
e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

By Chico Harlan  |  July 7, 2008; 8:46 AM ET
 
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Comments

Yeah! Because what this crowd really needs is a place to rant and say what we would do to make for a better future...

Posted by: i hate walks | July 7, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

1) Attended 5, watched most.

2) No children, but would bring them if they were around.

3) I have season tickets, but:

a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
f.) the specific players on the field
e.) the stadium
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions

4) c.) between $26-$50

I would rank the season ticket purchase a 3 or 4 - the seat price doubled for us from last year, and the product on the field is falling apart. The stadium is nice and all and the seats are great, but I am considering not renewing the tickets next year.

5) I can side with all of the choices, but if I were not a season ticket holder, I would say:

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

...because there is nothing like sitting in a park watching a game.

Posted by: Cajund | July 7, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I'll bite:
1. been to 16 games; watched 1 on TV; listened to 35+ on mlb audio.

2. no kids

3. g) other--friends' availability
c) weather
f) players on the field (starting pitcher)
b) opponent
d) promotion
e) stadium (I'd go regardless of venue)
a) on field product

4. 20-game season tix=$29
games outside season tix = $5-$40 and I think the value is always great. However, the seats in front of the scoreboard are the worst value, hands down. They are way overpriced.

5. a) It's baseball, always good, with a sprinkle of c) I go out of loyalty but it hurts sometimes.


Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

ONE: attended 16, watched on TV 2, listened to on radio (home games not attended) 8.

TWO: n/a

THREE: in order of importance: d c g* a f b e
*g: friends also attending, free tickets

FOUR: I am in a season ticket group where we have $18 seats (sec 315). I believe this is the best value and surrounded by the best baseball fans in the park. For walk-ups (which is easily the majority) I've bought a $5 grandstand ticket each time it was available. That's a pretty good value, especially if you keep walking. I've sat in $45 seats a few times. That's nice but I can't afford to sit there regularly.

FIVE: c *sigh*

Posted by: i hate walks | July 7, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Chico,

You forgot one important category: media coverage.

Please weigh in you few Nats fans who still read this lousy paper. The media coverage at all levels, radio, TV, and print, has been an unmitigated F.

Since you can only control the print side (and probably can't control that much), let me suggest that you do your homework. You should know enough about DC baseball to know when the last DC SS made the ASG. You should know enough about baseball to know why a first base coach carries a stop watch. Frankly, you would not be the beat writer for a MLB team in a market whose print media really covered the team.

That said: we are stuck with you. You should make it worth our time by doing your homework.

Nats' fans weigh in here. We deserve better and should demand it.

Posted by: C'ville Nat | July 7, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half? How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain.

I've been to three, but expect no more than two in the second half because I have a newborn.

I try to watch games as schedule allows, so probably about 3 a week

TWO. newborn -- none yet

THREE -- other Schedule is most important for me, I will try to go to the next Sunday game.

FOUR - $11-26 Value is a 7 I would say.

FIVE - a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

As bad as they are I would love to see more games in person.

Posted by: WFY | July 7, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

1. part 1. have attended 8 games. part 2. have watched roughly 25 games

2. No children

3. a, f, c, b, e, d

4. c (season tix)

5. b

Posted by: make a trade | July 7, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Here goes:

1)a. attended: 15; watched 65+
1)b. have 8 more in the season ticket book and will watch as many as I can on TV.

2)No rug rats here.

3)I'm a 20 game season ticket holder that chooses the plan based on days of play, not opponent. Additional tickets are bought with the following criteria: opponent. That's it.

4)My 20 games season ticket plan is c. Additional tickets that have been bought so far are c/d ($50 face on stub hub, pay $48-55). Additional games have been when out of town guests come and I want to show off the stadium. My 20 game plan seats are bad. Horribly bad.

5) A! C'mon, it's baseball. It's OUR baseball! It'll come around, but I'm not killing myself in the mean time.

Posted by: Section 138 | July 7, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Forgot to rank my season ticket seats, but you should be able to tell it ain't pretty. I'm giving it a 2, only because the bullpen guys are fun to interact with. Other than that, I can't wait to bolt from these seats. I can't see 95% of the fly balls, and have no view of the scoreboard what-so-ever. The angle also makes it hard to see pitch location.

Posted by: Section 138 | July 7, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

1) I've attended five games and will probably attend five more regardless of performance. I enjoy going to the ballpark. I've caught the action on MASN for about half of the games, but none from start to finish.

2) NA

3)
a
b
g - i just enjoy going to the games
e
c
f
d

4)
b
c
a
d
a

5)
a but only to a certain point...i'm just being overly optimistic

Posted by: KBM | July 7, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

1. a) attended six games
b) watched parts of all but four on TV, listened to bits of all but one on the radio.
c) Plan on attending at least one game per homestand, will watch rest on TV or listen on radio

2. a) I have four little brothers and two little sisters, none of whom live with me. If you still care...
*22-year old sister doesn't follow baseball
*13-year old brother is a Nats fan and O's fan, but doesn't follow the team
*12-year old brother follows the Red Sox, claims to hate the Nats in order to irritate me
*11-year old brother is a Braves fan, but doesn't follow baseball
*8-year old sister is a Nats fan, but doesn't follow baseball
*6-year old brother is a Cubs fan (his tee ball team), but also loves Nats, has been to games and has fun

3. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

g.) my schedule
c.) the weather
b.) the opponent [stupid Foolies]
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
a.) the on-field product
d.) the promotions

4. I go for a) or b). $10 in the right-field terrace, even when I'm not enjoying Bob L. Head's great seats (which bumps up the cost). I give it an 8, because I can't see the corner of right field. The value is better than RFK and Camden Yards and Fenway, but only because it's so much cheaper than Fenway.

5. a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses*

*but, of course, certain games still hurt. It just hurts so good.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

1 - 15 games attended; 5-6 watched all the way through. Many games watched during commericials, late innings, etc.
I plan on attending about 15 games or so. Will watch on TV occasionally.

2. N/A. Do not have children...yet.

3. c, g (availability of friends), d, b, e, a, f

4. Mt 20 game tix plan is a 'b,', which I will give an 8. However, the best (10+) seats are the $5 game day tickets.

5. d

Posted by: MAX | July 7, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

1) 14 attended - watched pieces of another 10 or so on the tube - plan on attending as many games as work schedule will allow

2) no kids

3) (g) other - full season tickets purchased because its baseball in DC - I will make a point to attend games with interesting (d) promotions or b) opponents

4) c - sec 128

5) a

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | July 7, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

ONE. 1.) been to 6.
2.) watched all save 5, but heard 3 of those on the GameCast streamer (out of town).
3.) will probably go to 6 more.
4.) will miss 2 to 4 more when out of town.

TWO. No kids.

THREE.
g.) other - It's baseball, the game I love best.
c.) the weather (This was less a factor for predicted rain at RFK with virtually the whole upper deck under cover)
d.) the promotions (Hey, stuff is good)
a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
e.) the stadium (it's nice, but I'm one of the few who never had trouble with RFK so what do I know?)
f.) the specific players on the field

FOUR.
a.) between $5-10 (Love those $5 seats)

FIVE. Two really:
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it (look I grew up with the 60s Senators and waited 30+ years for my team to come back they stank then, they're not very good - and have really bad luck (IOW stink) now, what I should give up after 4 years? Sheesh.)
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses (Minor league, Major League, Griffith League, it's all good)

Posted by: OldGuy | July 7, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you
1a) attended: 5
2a) watched on television: 2 in the first half?
1b) attend: 3-4
2b) watch: more than 2 in the second half. The drop in attendance for me is based on actually getting other people to come with me (and there may not actually be a drop), and when I'm not going to the game, I usually don't have time to watch it either, so I only catch the odd game on TV.

TWO. N/A

THREE.
a.) the on-field product
d.) the promotions
b.) the opponent
f.) the specific players on the field
e.) the stadium
c.) the weather

FOUR.
b.) between $11-25

I think this is a great value because the view from some of the upper decks is pretty good compared to other ball parks where the players appear to be ants.

FIVE.
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it.

Posted by: Maggie | July 7, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

1. I've attended over 75%, and watched parts-of probably 40% of away games. I'll probably attend less in the 2nd half because the going night-in and night-out with season tickets has become a strain on the better half. In the 1st half the novelty of a new season is still fresh....also it's not worth getting home at midnight to watch crappy baseball.

2. I don't have children, but when I do there better be some darn interest

3. a,f,c,e,b,d

4. c (I rate it at a 4, and the only thing saving that is the new park)

5. Tough question. Somewhere between D and E

Posted by: Corey | July 7, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

This should be a fun week. Good thinking, Chico. I also agree with C'ville Nat that you need to devote a 6th day to media coverage. I suspect there is lots of discontent in the die-hard Nats fan base over the continuing issues with MASN (like selling O's tickets during Nats HOME broadcasts) and to a lesser extent the Post's coverage. Any such survey, to be credible, had best bring your competitor the Times into play. While I can't stand that paper on the whole, their Nats coverage this season has been better than the Post's (with no offense intended to your work personally, which has been stellar). With that, on to your questions for today:

1. Have a 20 game plan, 10 of those games have been played, I've been to 4 or 5. I've watched another 8 or 10 games on TV on whole or in part. In the second half, I figure my TV patterns will be about the same, and I hope to use more than 5 of my remaining 10 tickets.

2. N/A.

3. these are the factors that impact my likelihood of using the tickets I have, from most to least important: g) other (work schedule / other commitments); c.) the weather; b.) the opponent; d.) the promotions. The other factors (on-field product, stadium, lineup) don't figure into my thinking at all. I knew when I bought my 20 games the stadium would be beautiful and the play would be ugly.

4. My seats are $29. I'd put their value at about a 7 as compared to other new parks out there, with the down-grade only because of how great my $16 seats at RFK used to be. If I had to buy tickets to a game not in my plan, I rank the value of the remaining seats (price vs. quality) as follows: a.) between $5-10, b.) between $11-25, d.) between $51-100, c.) between $26-$50, e.) more than $101.

5. c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it (and I'd rather give my money to the Lerners than Dan Snyder or Peter Angelos, because I believe the Lerners have a plan that will pay long-term dividends).


Posted by: Deep Fried Screech | July 7, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

MY COMMENTS IN CAPS:

Tickets and Business:

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half? How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain.

I WATCH OR ATTEND PARTS OF HALF THE GAMES--MAYBE WILL INCREASE INTEREST IN SEPT. WHEN PROSPECTS ARE CALLED UP. MOST GAMES WE HAVE ATTENDED HAVE BEEN BLOW-OUTS, SO WE STAY FOR HALF THE GAMES.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?

KIDS SEEM MORE INTERESTED IN SOCCER AND EVEN HOCKEY!

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
g.) other (please list)

A,B,C,F,E,D

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

a.) between $5-10 1 (TV IS BETTER)
b.) between $11-25 1
c.) between $26-$50 4
d.) between $51-100 5
e.) more than $101 1

SAME SEATS ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN LAST YEAR, EVEN THOUGH DC GIFTED STADIUM TO NATS. A RIP-OFF AND INSULT TO LOYAL FANS. ALSO, CHARGING $600 OR $300 FOR A PAIR OF TICKETS BEHIND HOME PLATE IS STUPID AND GREEDY.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
b.) The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take
e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

C

Posted by: EdDC | July 7, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

1) First half: attended 15 or so, watched or listened to 95% of the rest on TV/radio. Second half probably about the same.
2) Baseball is a real family activity in my house. Most of the family is in the young adult range (youngest is 13), and we all follow the team daily. I'm not sure any of us has ever rooted for a regularly successful franchise... The losing doesn't seem to be much of an issue.

3)g. other - my schedule and that of my friends (I won't go alone)
d. the promotions
b. the opponent (when other family favorites are in town)
f. the specific players on the field (although none of the ones we'd watch for are really left... we like to see the new kids come up though.)
c. the weather
e. the stadium
a. the on-field product

4) If I'm with the family, we have season tickets in the c range. They're good value for the price (9). When I pay for myself, I get the cheapest available (can't help it, I'm a college kid). The a tickets in the 400's are great baseball and view for your money (9); I don't like the 200-something $10 seats nearly as much (4). Sun blinds you for five innings.

Also, in response to something someone said earlier, I've been to $30 games this year at Fenway and Nats Park, and the Boston seats were nicer.

5) a. It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses (but a little bit of c maybe, when I'm in a bad mood)

Posted by: Sarah | July 7, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

ONE. I've been to 18 games at the new park and I'm guessing I've watched about 30 on stupid MASN/MASN2. I try to listen to Charlie if I'm in my car and can't be in front of the tube. I've got 8 more games left on my 20 game season ticket deal, but I'll probably supplement that with a few other games here and there.

TWO. I don't have any kids, but my boyfriend's nephews think baseball is "boring". If we took them to a game, they would totally be playing video games the whole time. It's sickening!

THREE.
I'm a season ticket holder, but for the extra games I go to I'd say:

a.) other (fun with friends, tailgating-Lot 8, baby!)
b.) the on-field product
c.) the specific players on the field
d.) the promotions
e.) the opponent
f.) the weather
g.) the stadium

FOUR. My season tickets are $10 seats. The extras I've bought have also been $10 seats. I'm satisfied with the value of my season tickets. In fact, I think it's a great deal. I hope they stay the same next year! I can't see right field, but I still like my section. As far as other parks go, I don't think I ever get good deals on tickets at other parks. So far this year, I've gotten crappy seats at Camden Yards, great (but somewhat pricey for me ) seats at Tropicana Field, and ridiculously overpriced, crappy seats at Yankee Stadium.

FIVE.
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses (but it is a shame.)
&
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it


Posted by: Floppy Hat | July 7, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

C'Ville, a few things. First, I am happy to take heat -- it's part of my job -- and I appreciate your thoughts on my failings. The fact that so many people here are passionate about the coverage issues regarding their team is, for me, a blessing. But let me say this much, less a defense than a pledge: I cherish the chance to work hard, do my homework and maintain a passion for covering baseball. I hope that reflects itself over time. As for the last Wash SS in the ASG: In 1958, Rocky Bridges represented the Sens in the ASG. According to baseball-reference.com, he batted .263 that year. He never earned such an honor again, and retired after 11 seasons with a lifetime .247 average... and 16 career home runs!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

ONE.
First half: Attended three; Watched ten to twenty on TV (listened to an additional twenty or so on the radio)
Second half: Likely the same for all three categories
Reason: No viable to reason to change m habits

TWO.
N/A

THREE.
f,a,c,b,e,d

FOUR.
b - That amount is roughly on par with other stadiums I visit. The value in that range is slightly ahead of all other parks I visit

FIVE.
A bit of (a) with a touch of (e)

Posted by: Brian | July 7, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to interject on the poll right now but my god the gamer story today was horrible. You mention Nieves coming up and watching the full count pitch but never say what happened? Ball and a walk? Strike three? I assume a strikeout but my gosh what the heck. Also there was a blurb at the top of the paper with Lo Duca saying he cost the team the game with an error. What was the error? Nothing in the gamer about that at all. Please, please, please mention the important aspects of the game in the gamer.

Posted by: Nat on your life | July 7, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

C'Ville, a few things. First, I am happy to take heat -- it's part of my job -- and I appreciate your thoughts on my failings. The fact that so many people here are passionate about the coverage issues regarding their team is, for me, a blessing. But let me say this much, less a defense than a pledge: I cherish the chance to work hard, do my homework and maintain a passion for covering baseball. I hope that reflects itself over time. As for the last Wash SS in the ASG: In 1958, Rocky Bridges represented the Sens in the ASG. According to baseball-reference.com, he batted .263 that year. He never earned such an honor again, and retired after 11 seasons with a lifetime .247 average... and 16 career home runs!

Posted by: Chico Harlan | July 7, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

1a) about 12
1b) TV (all or part)roughly 50
2a) - Wife went to about 4
Daughter (30) went to about 5
Grandson (4) went to 1
3) Other - Season tix holder
4) C - Roughly the same but New Yankee Stadium...$2,500 / ticket per game. Everyone else is a bargain.
5) A...It's Baseball.

Question, why can't you set this up as a poll, a la Weingarten (or does his Pulitzer give him special privileges?).

Posted by: Catcher50 | July 7, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

1. One game so far, plus the 4/5 open house. Have tix for one game while the Mets are here. I'm the mom of a six-month-old son, so I'm not getting to as many games as in the past. I watch most games on TV, except the west coast ones -- I can't stay up that late (see six-month-old kid, above).

2. He's too young to be a Nats fan -- yet -- but he will be, if I have any say! The more pressing matter is making my husband a fan!

3. None of those really matter to me (well, maybe weather) -- I go because live baseball is so much fun.

4. We spend B -- close enough to see with enough left over for a snack. (Maybe.) I'd say it's a good deal. I haven't been to another park other than RFK in years, so that's my comparison point.

5. Reasons (a) and (c).

Posted by: Troylet | July 7, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

1- Part of a season ticket group. Attended 10 so far, watched about 65 more. Most likely won't be renewing tickets next year. Plan to attend 8 more this year and watch less than the first half since now without Dukes and Zimmerman there is basically nothing left to watch.

2-N/A

3-a,e,d,b,c

4-$50, value is a 1 considering we are basically getting a minor league product (even before the injuries).

5-b

Posted by: Hate the Plan | July 7, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

ONE: Attended: 13; watched on TV: about 60; plan to attend: about 4; plan to watch on TV: about 60. The new baby will keep me at home for most of the second half of the season, I went to more than I normally would have in the first half so that I will end the year a bit below my average of 25 games attended.
TWO. My little girl loves Teddy and is learning the words to Take Me Out to the Ballgame.
THREE. 1) My family schedule; 2) the opponent; 3) the promotions (love the free stuff)
FOUR. I have a 20 game plan with $10 tickets, but I've spent $40 for fantastic seats to a few games. I've used StubHub as both a buyer and a seller multiple times this year, finding a number of very good bargains.
FIVE. It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses. --- But I reserve the right to rant and rave all over the internet and call the ownership group cheap until they hold true on their promises to put a quality product on the field.

Posted by: PowerBoater | July 7, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Forgot a couple of things.

I NEVER listen to the TV guys (I'm sure they are lovely people and all, but I just can't take them). I actually like having the radio call 3-5 seconds ahead of the TiVO as I tend to be in the kitchen cooking or cleaning up during the games and it gives me a heads up as to when I need to look at the screen.

Value is an 8 with the $5-$10 seats I get as I can sit in them or I can stand in the beer pen in CF which is really my favorite place in the park (I almost always went for the dead center OF seats at RFK too). Would I like one or two levels up behind home plate? Well, yeah (I've always liked the view from the upper/mez best), but I don't have that kind of coin.

Oh, and last, the one advantage that NP has over RFK is the breeze (when it's warm/hot - but that April 7th game was BRUTAL in the upper reaches with the icy jet stream).

Posted by: OldGuy | July 7, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Chico,

Thanks for the standup response.

That said: Media coverage is an issue that I will continue to harp on. Let's be honest, the media at all levels, does not cover this team like other teams are covered in their hometown.

That is a sore spot with me, and other who have given up raising the issue. It's time that Nats' fans demand better.

Posted by: C'ville Nat | July 7, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

1) Part of a season ticket group and work for a firm that has tickets. Have attended seven games thus far. Will be attending at least five more games this year as part of my season ticket group.

2) No children yet.

3)
a) the on-field product
b) the weather
c) the opponent
d) the stadium
e) the specific players on the field
f) how much the players on the field hustle
jj) the promotions

4) I sit in Infield Gallery seats in 314 directly underneath the press box in the third row of the upper deck for $20/seat/game. I think this value is terrific. I worry that the Nats will raise this ticket next year and lower others that aren't such a good value. While I am disappointed that these seats are significantly higher than similarly-situated seats at RFK, I still think they're a great value. I would give them an 8 for value.

5) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take. I can't stand what seem to be some horrid decisions by the front office. Not to mention I think the front office grossly underestimated how important a good product on the field would be. Listen guys... you built a nice stadium, but it's still no Oriole Park. DC fans WILL NOT come out consistently to this ballpark to support a losing team. Guess what... you didn't get a honeymoon. Now act accordingly. Or else I fear we're looking at the third team to flee D.C.

Posted by: Jeremy | July 7, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

1) First off, since I live in NYC, I have been to see the Nats play 3 times at Shea, Have tickets to my first Nats home game this friday (first time to DC this summer). I have the MLB package and have kept track of Nats games watch to determine its cost/worth value. Watched 22/~45 games on TV since buying the package ~45 games into the season.
I will watch two more Nats games at Shea, and try to make it to DC for another home game. TV watching will be probably on pace watching about 1/3-1/2 the remaining games on TV.

2) N/A

3) g.) other - my schedule, when I can get to DC from NYC
e.) the stadium
c.) the weather
b.) the opponent
a.) the on-field product
f.) the specific players on the field
d.) the promotions

4) So far this season I have not been to Nationals Park, (have tickets for this friday against the Astros, $11-25 range)

I have however been to several parks in the northeast this season and will rank their seating accordingly and speculate according to Nats park. Fenway Park $51-100 (9), Yankee Stadium $5-10 (5) and $11-25 (5), Shea Stadium $5-10 (5), $11-25 (5) and $26-$50 (2), Citizens Bank Park $11-25 (7.5), and Camden Yards $11-25 (7).

These scores reflect seats and stadium experience overall. If I had to guess on Nationals park I imagine it to be a similar experience to The Phillies Park in seating quality for price of ticket. Altough I think judging from trying to purchase tickets for Friday's game that there is not enough affordable seating and all the expensive seats are empty.

5)
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
AND a bit of
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it


Posted by: NYC Nats Fan | July 7, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

1. Been to 9 games, watched many more on TV.
2. no kids
3. Importance to me in order:
e.) the stadium
b.) the opponent
a.) the on-field product

4. d.) between $51-100: i have a full season plan in the $60/seat section. however I've walked up and bought cheap tix several times and gone with other season ticket holders in cheaper sections.

5. I'm not sure I agree with any of the options listed. Closest is:
e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

I still don't think they have a chance of winning next year, honestly. This current team has shown its too brittle and too inexperienced to compete. Boswell's grand free agency plan (to acquire 1-2 of the FA crop of Sabathia, Sheets, Furcal and Orlando Hudson) probably won't happen now (Brewers probably get wild card and keep both players, the Dodgers definitely will keep Furcal). We may be in for several Tampa Bay esque seasons waiting for our high-A and AA players to work out.

Posted by: Sec131 | July 7, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

ONE. attended = 10
watched on television = most of the rest plan to attend = 10
watch = most of the rest.
(I have two seats for one-fourth of a full season ticket package.)

TWO. No children

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) 1 = the on-field product
g.) 2 = other (social event)

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? $20 (season tickets)

Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. 8

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take

(It's not really "loyalty." I enjoy it, but the enjoyment is wearing thin.)


Posted by: Baldino | July 7, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended:

35

2.) watched on television:

I've seen most or at least bits and pieces of about 40 or more games or heard them on the radio.

How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half?

I hope to attend another 30 and listen or watch the rest. The factor will be kids.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball?

My girls are now 21 mos and 3 mos. old. They've been to about 30 games and 25 games respectively. The older one has made friends with a beer vendor and all of our fellow season ticket holders in Sec 314. She LOVES Screech and wishes he would come around more often. I know, I know.....

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

I've got Season Tickets and will definitely renew

FOUR.
Our normal seats are in The Gallery Level behind home plate and they are a bargain at $20 each (season ticket price). It was awfully cold up there in April though!

Nine times a year I have tickets in the Club Level at $55 each (part of a season ticket group). The climate controlled Club is GREAT for my wife and infants, but other than that the price is too high. And the breeze makes the Gallery seats cooler and more comfortable on hot days..

We sat in the Diamond Level once thanks to a vendor who gave me tickets. Fun, but DEFINTELY NOT WORTH $150 a ticket.

--We try to bring our own food as much as possible.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

--I was an 11 year old kid when Bob Short took my Senators away. I am still incredibly excited to have a baseball team of our own after all these years.

Posted by: Sec 314 | July 7, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

1. attended, 10, watched probably 40, heard a couple on the radio
2. daughter doesn't seem to care about baseball. she's a hockey fan
3. g (taking a friend), then c, f, b, e, a, d
4. 20 game package $29 each, other games $30-$45
5. a

Posted by: section 105 | July 7, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

1) Attend 40 (plus 3 in Baltimore, 1 in NY)
Watched 39

2) None

3) c1, a2, f3, b4, d5, e6

4) B, but prices are way too high for the on field product.

5) Attend and watch less. The on-field product does not merit the money and time it takes to be at the park every night.

6) C

Posted by: Kristen | July 7, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. How many games have you
1.) I have attended 27 games so far.
2.) I have watched 46 games on television and listened to 5 games on the radio?
3) I plan to attend 13 games the rest of the year.
4) I plan to watch or listen to 9 games.

5) The reason for the drop is that I will be out of the Country for all of August and part of Septemeber.

6. There are no children in the family.

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

1. the opponent
2. the specific players on the field
3. the promotions
4. the weather
5. the stadium
6. The on-field product

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

I have 10 $10 tickets in sec. 403. These tickets are very good value for their money. I would rank them a 10.

I have 20 $20 tickets in Sec. 312. I would rank these also as a 10. These are great seats.

I have sat in the outfield for a few games and I would rank the value for those tickets at a 5. the price of the outfield seats doesn't make sense.


FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses and c.) I go out of loyalty, it sometimes hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it. It will make the winning that much better.


Posted by: BRothbart | July 7, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm a cheap bastard...

ONE: Attended two games, watched four on tv, listened to about 75 on the radio (I'm kind of old school I guess). I plan to keep it up for the second half.

TWO. No other takers in family.

THREE. Factors
f.) the specific players on the field
c.) the weather
b.) the opponent
a.) the on-field product
e.) the stadium
d.) the promotions

FOUR.
a.) between $5-10 - seems okay for the price, though I wish there were more $5 seats. The only other real stadium experience I've had was in Cincinatti where I could park for $1, buy a ticket for $4, and have a slightly worse view than at Nationals Park. DC and Cincinnati are spectacularly different markets though.

FIVE.
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses - I just started following baseball as an adult five or six years ago. I love learning about the game. This team does offer many (somewhat painful) learning experiences.


Posted by: Capybara | July 7, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

ONE. I've attended about 5 and probably watched about half on TV (I at least always check the score). I plan to attend about 6 or 7 more games (have 10 games as part of a season ticket package and have bought a few other games to go with friends). I will continue to check in on tv and watch some.
THREE. e.) the stadium, a.) the on-field product, b.) the opponent, f.) the specific players on the field, c.) the weather, d.) the promotions
FOUR. Usually b - between $11 and 25 for the games we buy as a part of a season ticket package. For additional games, we usually spend more, say d. between $51 and 100. The value of the expensive ticket is high, say an 8, bc of the experience. The value of the season ticket, which is just below the press box, is about a 5 as it depends a lot more on how the game is going.
FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park... Tie between:
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

Posted by: cj | July 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ONE. Attended one first half, will attend one second half. I was a Senators fan as a kid, but now I live in NC. I go to a game whenever I'm in Washington in the summer. Our local cable network doesn't carry MASN (long, sad story), so I almost never get to watch the Nats on TV.

TWO. I have two college-age kids, they're happy to go to occasional games.

THREE. The only factor is when I'm in Washington!

FOUR. c

FIVE. a

Posted by: Raleighfan | July 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

ONE.
1.) attended: 6
2.) watched on television in the season's first half?: start to finish, maybe 4-5; some amount? 98%.
3.) I plan to go to about the same number in the second half.

TWO.
She's 8 months. Loves the scoreboard, being outdoors and Screech, but is afraid of Clint. We're hoping that the Nationals approach .500 before she's able to keep score.

THREE.
g.) other: avaiability of $5-10 seats
c.) the weather
a.) the on-field product
f.) the specific players on the field
b.) the opponent
e.) the stadium
d.) the promotions

FOUR.
a.) between $5-10: 10--this is what we do in my family.
b.) between $11-25: 7--this is the top of our range
c.) between $26-$50: 2--not an option
d.) between $51-100: 0--not at all an option
e.) more than $101: 0--gimme a break

FIVE.
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: FireJimBowden.Blogspot.com | July 7, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

1. I've been to five games so far at Nat's park and two during spring training. I watch as many as I can on TV, but they REALLY need more games in HD. I plan to go to a few more this year.

2. My 10 year-old son has been to two games with me. He enjoys going whether or not the team wins. We haven't taken by 6 year-old yet because he has a peanut allergy and they don't have a peanut-free area like they did at RFK.

3. (other) My schedule is the biggest factor determining whether I go to a game, also whether or not my buddy with season tickets has a spare ticket.

4. For me I think the best value for tickets has been the $24 300-level seats. I bought $60 seats for about half price on StubHub for a game when the Wizards were in the playoffs, but can't really afford to pay full price for those on a regular basis. The outfield seats are WAY over priced IMHO.

5. C.

Final comments... Chico, you should have someone with survey writing skills do your other surveys. This was all over the map, hard to answer, and the results will be very difficult to aggregate.

Posted by: Twinbrook, MD | July 7, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Agree that a 6th day on media coverage would be useful. We obviously need more to complain about.

1. attended 18, watched portions of many on TV (the DVR is a great invention, allowing me to fast forward through the many blowouts). I expect a slight dropoff in the second half, but not much.

2. no kids myself, but I've taken a friend's six year old to two games, with a third scheduled. he doesn't understand baseball enough yet to care whether the team is any good, but loves the experience.

3. season ticket holder. e,b,c,d influence my decision whether to attend a given game.

4. b. my seats are in, surprise!, section 222. it's a great value at $15 per seat ($18 at the gate). i'd rate the value a 7. the stadium is great, the seats are great, baseball in DC is great, the team a disappointment.

i've seen baseball at PNC Park (incredible), Camden Yards (ok). I'm happy with Nats Park, for as long as it's called Nats Park.

5. a and c. The suffering we feel now is nothing compared to decades without baseball in DC. That doesn't mean that any of the complaints about the team, the stadium, the management, the owners, or Clint are out of line.

5.

Posted by: Section 222 | July 7, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

1. I've attended 20 games and watched nearly all others on TV except when I'm out of town (listen on XM). I've only missed a couple games completely - mostly west coast ones.

2. I have two kids who aren't terribly interested. They never watch on tv and barely pay attention at games. Their interest has nothing to do with the success of the franchise - but is more focused on snow cones and cotton candy.

3. g) We're part of a season ticket group, so the opponent and day/time is #1 when we make our picks before the season begins. Promotions are probably 2nd (for walk-up games and special events not part of our season pool). After that, it's whatever. We get stuck with the on-field product and weather/stadium no matter what.

4. d.) between $51-100 (value = 7 - seats pretty far back and in the middle of the row; lots of heads in the way and people walking up/down the aisle throughout games; but close to concourse and on the infield, so pretty good there)

5. a.) It's baseball, it's always good, but also mixed in: c) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch (sometimes), but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: misschatter | July 7, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half? How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain.

* Attended 18, watched appx 50 more. Plan to attend about 10 more, will watch fewer. Let's face it, paying these prices and spending time watching this team is tough.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?

* two small children, ages 3 and 1.5. Them liking games is very important to me, they've gone to a few at RFK and the old park. They are also the reason why I upgraded from 3 to 4 seats.

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
g.) other (please list)

Only two, a, with e being a distant second. Everything else is gravy.

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

a.) between $5-10
b.) between $11-25
c.) between $26-$50
d.) between $51-100
e.) more than $101

B. At $25 a ticket for outfield bleachers (even though they are called "box"), it is overpriced, no doubt -- and that is the season ticket holder discount. Especially in light of the payroll, publicly-financed stadium, and windfall it is creating for ownership, these are much higher than other stadiums I have been to (Comiskey, Comerica, Camden, and even Yankee).

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
b.) The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take
e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

Always thought at worst I'd be a loyal c. fan, though I gotta admit this particular team is testing my patience and I feel myself drifting towardds d.

Posted by: MountieNatsFan | July 7, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

1 - attended - about 7; watched - all or parts of about 20 games; in the second half, i'd expect it to be about consistent

2- 2 kids - 1 infant, so not interested; 4 year old - interested, but deathly afraid of fireworks, so he doesn't go to any games.

3 -
g.) other: the tickets I was allocated in my season ticket group
b.) the opponent
c.) the weather
a.) the on-field product
f.) the specific players on the field
e.) the stadium
d.) the promotions

4 -
c.) between $26-$50 (that's where my season tickets are); pretty good value I'd say (maybe a 7?)...hard to really rank it in comparison to other MLB teams though - assuming the Nationals start playing like a MLB team, then I'd say it is a pretty good value. Compared to the minor league teams in the area though, it is not a good value.

5 -
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: Kevin | July 7, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

1. Been to 12 games so far, will go to about 10 more in the second half. Watched most of the rest of them on TV when I've been home. Saw one Nats`game in Seattle.

2. I have two kids, 19 and 20. The 20 yr old is a girl and has no interest in Nats or sports in general. My son has been to about 8 of the games with me, but doesn't care to watch them on TV that much.

3. I've got a 20 game package, and my decision to buy individual game tickets is determined mostly by the opponent and the promotions, followed by the players on the field and the weather.

4. B. My package is $17 each, and I've bought $5 and $10 tickets to other games. Views are good from just about anywhere, especially when you walk around and sit in an empty seat where there are no ushers. Nats Park seems to be about the same as other stadiums I've been to, although food and souvenirs seem a little higher.

5. C. It hurts to watch, but the rewards are sweeter when something like a walkoff home run happens. I have hope that in 2 or 3 years we'll be competitive, and it will be with players we've grown to know and appreciate as people, and that will make the suffering worth it.

5

5.

Posted by: Sec 419, Row E | July 7, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:
ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half? How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain.
I have attended 3 games at Nats Park this year... and 2 at Shea Stadium (In interest of full disclosure, I live in NYC now, native of DC). Watch on TV 3-4 times a week (have extra-bases on CableVision). Want to go to 4 more games at Nats Park... Maybe a couple more at Shea.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?
He's is only 3... watches if its bedtime and I let him stay up... otherwise usually cries when I turn off Sesame Street to put the game on. ;p

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:
other (Ability to make it down to DC from NY)
the on-field product -
the specific players on the field -
the opponent
the stadium -
the promotions -
the weather-

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

c.) between $26-$50 - 7

I think they are a great value at Nats Park... its good compared to other parks.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park
A and C
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses -

c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: NY Nats Fan | July 7, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I assume the audience for this blog is not representative of....anything. But, here are my answers nonetheless...

--How many games have you attended
4 (I'm 3-1; they should pay me to attend!)

--Watched on television in the season's first half?
Most of the games I haven't attended. Maybe missed a dozen or so. Not necessarily entire games, but more than 4 innings.

--How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half?
Attend 2-3 more, watch most. I would've gone to more, but frankly the ballpark experience is so unpleasant right now, it's hard to opt for the more expensive/less convenient/less enjoyable means of keeping up with the team.

--If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball?

None.

--Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?

No, it has to do with the number of princesses and/or High School Musical cast members on the team. So, depending on how the Nats fill the void in the outfield...

--Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

g.) other [being able to watch a game]
a.) the on-field product
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions
b.) the opponent
f.) the specific players on the field
e.) the stadium

--If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket?

b.) between $11-25
(Not counting various convenience fees, handling fees, printing fees, inconvenience fees, fee assessment fees, etc.)

--Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase.

2

--How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

About the same. The fees/fees/fees/fees problem is the same for any venue selling tickets.

--Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take

Posted by: This Isn't Really How You Gather Data, Is It? | July 7, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

1. I attended five home games this season, part of a road trip for that specific purpose. I caught all three games here in Minnesota, and will catch five more during road trips to Chicago and Milwaukee. I bought Extra Innings for the expressed purpose of watching the Nationals, and I watch two to three games a week. I also listen to one or two games a week on Gameday Audio. If you're talking trends, I've been watching and listening to fewer complete games these past few weeks, out of frustration. I do see myself watching and listening to fewer games per week as the season progresses (and the team regresses).

2. I don't have kids. I do have a pair of Nationals pajama pants; maybe that qualifies me as a child myself.

3. g) other: loyalty to and general excitement for the Nationals, specifically, and an appreciation for baseball generally. I admit to being a sucker for d) promotions, however. My choice of games during my trip back East was aided by the pitching matchup, so I think f) the players on the field and b) are also factors.

4. My tickets to games at Nationals park ranged from the b) to c) range. Of these, I found the $35-$40 tickets to be a good value and $18 tickets to be somewhat overpriced.

5. d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take. To be honest, at this point, I'm not scheduling a trip to DC to see the Nationals next year.

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 7, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

1) Attended 6 games, watched a dozen or more, I expect like numbers the 2nd half.or drop, explain.

2) 2 very young kids who like screech and the presidents

3) G (was I able to unload my tickets), c,b,a,e,d,f

4) D. I have great seats behind the visitors dugout - I have good value but bring my own food and drink. Clearly, the Presidential seats are the worst value (IMHO)

5) I guess "A", but there is a little of all the options running through my head.

Posted by: 117F | July 7, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

ONE
Attended 16-18 games ... Watched all of them ... Plan on going to many as possible.

TWO
I don't have kids, but my brothers, my mom and dad love going to games and love the team as well.

THREE
Well I have season tickets, but definitely this is how I value my team and ticket:

a.) the on-field product

-gap-

f.) the specific players on the field
b.) the opponent
e.) the stadium
c.) the weather
g.) miller lite, curly w pretzels, red loft, pretty women
d.) the promotions

FOUR
My tickets run $45 on the whole season ticket plan, like $57 if it were individual games.

FIVE
b.) The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun

Posted by: Section 111 (Formerly 223 @ RFK) | July 7, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

1. Attended 8-10 (I'd have to go back and look at a calendar to be 100% sure), watched/listened to at least part of almost all of the rest of them (although I just went 0/3 on the Cincy series - only read the erstwhile .35'er and figured I didn't miss much). Second half - probably attend about the same number (maybe mix in a few P-Nats games, too), and probably watch less on TV/radio. The drop in watching on TV/radio is that the lineup (until folks aren't injured) is really tough to watch right now, but I do enjoy Bergmann and Lannan and Balester, so I'll probably watch at least parts of their games.

2. N/A

3. G - other - my own time availability and that of whoever I'm going with. C- Weather. D-Specific players on the field (as distinct from "on-field product" which I take to mean "win-loss record"). E- Stadium, B-Opponent, A-On-field product and D promotions (These last two matter not at all, I'm just filling out the list).

4. C - and I'd give it about a 7 . The stadium's nice, there are still too many times where you've got to wait for food, or where things aren't quite right (something is cold, the helmets, etc.) Plus of course the automatic 2 point deduction in value for Clint and half a point for that dirty, overfed pigeon we call a mascot.

5. For attending a game - mostly A, with a bit of C. For watching a game at home - Mostly C, with a bit of D.

Posted by: Highway 295 Revisited | July 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

ONE: I've been to 15 games, watched most of the rest on TV, and expect maybe a bit less in the balance of the year because of travel plans will take me out of town for most of July and much of August.

TWO: Eldest daughter loves the games and attends quite a few. Other 2 are more or less indifferent. I don't think there's much correlation with the success (or lack thereof) of the franchise, but I bet if their fortunes really turned around (Ray-like), they would be more interested.

THREE: I've been a season-ticket holder since '05, and pined for baseball here for decades before, so I'm more-or-less a guaranteed sale, but as far as attending a particular game, I don't go in bad weather and the opponent might have an influence.

FOUR: This year, I'm a d. It's a pretty good value (a 5) but it would jump to a 10 if they were competitive.

FIVE: a or c. I've rooted for losing teams before (like the Mets from '74 to '82) but also remember how much more fun it was when your loyalty is rewarded (Mets '69, '73, '83 - '86).

Posted by: Cavalier | July 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

1) attended: 7
watched: ~65
plan to attend: 5
plan to watch: ~60
change in attendance/viewing in 2nd half now dependent on observing Nats' prospects (ie. Baelester, Maxwell, Zimmerman, etc)

2) N/A

3) c, a, f, e, b, d

4)b; value = 8
value about average for other MLB parks. Nats have a decent supply of affordable tickets.

5) d

Posted by: Rich | July 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

(1) Attended 12, Watched 20 or so, ate five games-worth of tickets. Will probably go to 4 in the second half. We have new twins in the house and it's a struggle to get to the games. The team is so darn-near unwatchable that it doesn't seem worth the hassle most days to get there and sit in the sun for four hours with two babies (or get a sitter).
(2) I have an 11-year-old who would rather spend the whole game in the game-room than in his seat. Mind you, I think for kids, it's about winning and losing and the team has gotten crushed three of the four times he's been, so I'm sure that plays into it.
(3) (g) I'm a season ticket holder, so I own the tickets already. We go to games when it isn't hot as heck regardless of opponent. I'd go to more games if the team was more competitive, and if it felt like the season wasn't one big long exhibition campaign for the Nationals. Seems to me that "rebuilding" periods should come with steep, steep discounts on tickets and that fans pay to see the team "compete", rather than "develop."
(4) We pay $40/ticket, which is probably about right for our seats. I wish the team was better though. $160/game plus food/drink seems pricey to watch minor-league talent.
(5) (d) sadly enough. I've kind of had it this season with the relocation process (folks like me in the 315 section at RFK got pretty screwed in the process), the lack of success marketing the team (making it impossible to resell tickets at face value), the feeling of being taken for granted by the sales staff (why do we have to pay for a tour if we're ST holders?), and the appearance of a team that is just so bad. Compound that with the fact that the team picks up players like Dukes, who may be talented, but is clear demonstration that character is meaningless to this club. Plus, the continued bickering between the team and the city is distasteful. We want to cheer for the team. We want to support the players on an individual basis, but all of this makes it very, very difficult. I'm willing to pay for it when it makes me feel good. Nothing about the team this year makes me feel good and the thought of "why do I bother" has started to creep into my head.

Posted by: Sec 112 | July 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

ONE:
1) Attended about 15 games
2) Watched about 15 on tv (Blacksburg doesn't get MASN but the games are blacked out on mlb.tv)
3) Listened to probably 30 more games on the radio and gameday audio

I'll go to as many games as I can in the 2nd half, but most likely that will be very few as I am out of the DC area for the remainder of the season... looks like all i get will be charlie and dave.


TWO:
Myself, my 3 sisters, and my parents all love to go to the games. We would love to see the franchise win, but we'll be there as often as possible as long as there are games being played.


THREE:
1. The weather (Went to a couple of rain delayed games, that was enough for this season)

2. The opponent (Dad is from Philly so we try to catch a couple of Phillies games every year)

3. the promotions (We get all the bobble heads)

4. The stadium (Went to opening night because of the new stadium, but i went to just as many games at rfk)

5. the specific players on the field (i'd rather see Lannan or Ballester pitch, i'd rather see dukes or milledge then harris and LoDuca... then again i've seen redding pitch about 8 times)

6. the on-field product (It'd be nice to have them win... i'll be there anyways)


FOUR:
The 5-10 dollar seats are great value. Any time you can get into the ballpark for $10 you're doing okay. Some of the 20-25 dollar seats are reasonable. Besides that I have never seen worse value in any event ever. The $38 seats are a joke. They have the worst sightlines in the park, the seats are always the last ones to sell. I'd rather sit in the $5 seats then the ones that cost $38, even if the prices were the same. The redporch and other outfield bleacher seats are a great view, that being said the same seats in Baltimore and Pittsburgh (The only other parks where ive sat in comparable seats) are between 15 and 20 dollars. The value for these tickets is godaweful but I just want to go to the games so i guess i'll have to live with it.


FIVE:
My views are closest to the first choice:
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

However i've got a bit of the following in me too:
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

I will forever be loyal to the teams in DC. It is where I was born, where I was raised, and where I consider home above all other places. As long as there is baseball to watch, I will be there watching it. It hurts to see my team lose, but I do it because it will only make the victories sweeter in the end.

Posted by: VT Nats Fan | July 7, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

1. Attended 20 or so. Watched 5 or so. Probably won't go much anymore and am happy to give away tickets to any interested friends. I've spent over $28,000 on tickets during the life of the Nationals and have not been satisfied with efforts to field a watchable team. I got screwed in the relocation process, and my seats are markedly worse than they were at RFK. As hard as it may be for some to believe, the seats are so much worse that my game experience at RFK was 10x better than at the Food Court.

2. No kids.

3. I am a 4-year season ticket holder and do not tend to buy additional tickets too often.

4. My seats are $45 per ticket. The value/game experience at the Food Court is abysmal as compared to recent experiences at RFK, OPACY, AT&T, etc.

5. I'm already suffering through this season to the tune of a near worthless $7,000 in tickets. I ain't buying next year no matter what they do. I've got far better things to do with limited entertainment dollars than support a franchise that has repeatedly taken fans for granted; paring down payroll on the major league club while raising parking prices being a wonderful example. Cheers!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

A quick synopsis:

I've spent $28,000 on the Nats so far. I'm not renewing. The stadium experience is overpriced and not about baseball. Ownership has made too little effort to provide a watchable product.

Stadiums like Camden Yards and AT&T are temples dedicated to baseball. Nats Park is a temple dedicated to your wallet.

Posted by: Meh. | July 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

1. 9 attended, 30 or so watched, hopefully 10 more attended--maybe even an away series if I can swing it.

2. Kids are young (5 & 2) they're more into Screech & playground than the game, but they like going and will sit though a good number of innings.

3. c, a, f, e, b, d

4. b

5 d.

Posted by: Softball Girl | July 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"I do have a pair of Nationals pajama pants..."

Posted by: John in Mpls | July 7, 2008 11:42 AM
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LOL! That is the cutest thing EVER. Not only that a grown man has Nats jammies, but that he proudly posts it here. Good on you, JiM. You're a true fan.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

C'ville Nats (or anyone else, in fact)

I don't understand what the last Washington SS to make the ASG has got anything to do with anything. This Franchise came from Montreal. The Senators are either the Twins or the Rangers, they've got nothing to do with The Nationals?

Posted by: SF Fan | July 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

ONE
Have been to 16 games so far the first half and will attend maybe 20-25 in the second half. Some of my favorite visiting tems come to DC in the second half. Don't really like the way MASN does the Nats. I listen to Charlie and Dave when not at the park, and even at the park. I don't watch the games on my20 because if I hear another Flava Flav/"Under One Roof" promo, my head will explode.

TWO
Not applicable for me. But I wish some parents would realize that it's very unlikely that a two-year-old isn't going to sit still for two-and-a-half to three hours and are likely to disturb other patrons.

THREE
A.) Somewhat
B.) More than somewhat.
C.) Very much so. Didn't attend more games in first half because weather sometimes turned threatening about the time I leave for the park.
D.) Negliable. I don't attend promotions games because more children usually attend those games.
E.) Love the park. It's more than I hoped for.

FOUR
B.) i usually sit in either Secs. 306 or 406 and buy my ticket the day of the game.

FIVE
A.) After being without a home team for most of my adult life, I'm behind the Nationals and want to have them succeed.

SIX
Are you doing a free survey for the Lerners and Stan the Plan Man?

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 7, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, my answers
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ONE.
1.) 1
2.) 0, MLB Gamecast for all of em!

TWO.
Got a couple of nieces and nephews, they're not really interested.

THREE.
e.) the stadium
a.) the on-field product
c.) the weather
b.) the opponent
f.) the specific players on the field
d.) the promotions
g.) other (please list)

FOUR.
a.) between $5-10 10 - My "home" stadium is AT&T Park, try finding a $5 ticket!
b.) between $11-25 10 - The sweet spot.
c.) between $26-$50 8 - looked nice, but not available in the game that I went
d.) between $51-100 6 - getting up there
e.) more than $101 - 4 just too expensive

FIVE.
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

Posted by: SF Fan | July 7, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm very satisfied with how the O's have played this year.


Oh wait, you meant the Nats. They get a big "Eh..."

Posted by: O's Exec | July 7, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

ONE.

I've attended none, and watched around 40 games on TV. I plan to attend one or two games in the second half, and will probably watch at the same rate. My television watching habits are mostly influenced by how many young players are playing (as in, I'll watch all of Colin Balester's starts, and Dukes' injury makes me less likely to watch).

TWO. No children.

THREE.

a.) the on-field product
c.) the weather
e.) the stadium
d.) the promotions
b.) the opponent
f.) the specific players on the field

FOUR. Haven't yet attended.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's {better than watching Arena Football}, even when the home team loses

Posted by: G | July 7, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

ONE: Attended 16 games, watched maybe 20 (stopped watching a month ago) will attend 10 more this season and watch maybe 5.
TWO: No Children. If I did have children, I would not take them to this horror show.
THREE: a) Product, b) Opponent, f) Player, d) Promotion, c) Weather, e) Stadium, g) family/friends in town.
FOUR: $55 for Club Level Season Tickets. I give it an 8. It is nice.
FIVE: d) I go out of loyalty (and tickets are paid for), but I wonder how much more I can take... At this point, I have to say I am 50/50 for next season.

Posted by: ChrisC | July 7, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

ONE: I've got a 20-game plan; will probably attend a total of 20-30 games this season (and watch maybe twice as many on TV). If I'm driving and the game is on, I'll listen to Charlie & Dave.

TWO: No kids that I know of. ;-)

THREE:
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions

FOUR: 20-game plan is in the nosebleed 400-level ten-dollar seats, although every once in a while I'll splurge and buy a $30 ticket.

FIVE: c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it. (Mainly because I went to the P-Nats game on July 4 and liked what I saw)

Posted by: Juan-John | July 7, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"Franchise" Feh.

I grew up watching the Senators and those are the records I care about. Walter Johnson (okay, fine, I'm not THAT old, but still) is not, Never Was and NEVER WILL BE a Twin.

So, -=*I*=- care about Washington records not "franchise" ones.

Posted by: OldGuy | July 7, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

ONE. 1.) I've attended three games with my husband (AKA 1c; we are 3-0 to date) as well as attending the open house in April by myself. Were also planning to attend a Camden Yards game but the weather kept us away on that day. 2.) I watch about one game per week on tv (no cable) and listen to the rest on the radio unless I'm away or the team is away and the games start late. We have tickets for two more games. I plan to watch/listen to games as per my usual routine for the rest of the year. I usually attend several more games when my baseball buddy 1b is in town, but there are no plans for a visit this year, so our attendance as a group will be down.

TWO. No kids.

THREE. Schedules (mine, my husbands, and my baseball buddy's) are a factor. After that, we look at opponents, promotions, and players on field (starting pitchers in particular) for "impulse tickets." We like to buy tix in advance, so weather usually is not a factor.

FOUR. Usually b)., although after the new owners implemented payroll austerity measures and discounted outfield seats at RFK, we went for the discounted seats in turn. I'd probably rank the value as a 5. We don't like the online charges so we buy tickets at the box office (usually in advance). We also prefer not to pay premium prices by default, so we've chosen not to attend any Saturday night games this year.

FIVE. a.) and c.) (I always stay until the last out but I will admit that I stopped listening to a couple of real stinkers before the games ended this year.)

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

1. Attended 10, watched probably 55 or so. 2nd Half, will be about the same for me.

2. My daughter's enjoyment of baseball is about a 5 on a 1-10 scale. she likes going to the park, and she likes watching the games, but she doesn't understand much of it. so the team's success doesn't matter to her.

3.

a - The On-Field Product


b-z everything else in random order.

4. Depends on who I am there with. if I am alone, I buy a 10-15 dollar seat. If I am with my daughter, I buy 30-45 dollar seats.

I haven't done enough stadium-hopping to compare Nats Park pricing to others.

5. c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: MrMadison | July 7, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for doing this. Hopefully you can pull the data out of my note without too much effort. Very interested in the outcome ofthis poll.

ONE: 1. Attended 12, 2a 35+/-, 2b 6. Drop-off is mostly due to August travel schedule, but don't feel compelled either. I sold four games for about 30% below value to unload them.

TWO: 2 four year old twins who have been to well over 25 games in the past 3 years. They are fanatics. Performance does not matter, we alway pick a high point to leave the game so they always think they win. We left a 6-2 tromping recently in the 7th inning and my son screamed "The Nationals are the best team ever!". I'm hoping that by the time he's able to understand the difference they will at least be competitive.

THREE: g. [date (c. weather) (May/Jun/Sep big +, Jul/Aug/Apr big -)], b., e., a., d. (bobblehead big +, we have 6), f., g. season ticket holder so we buy the lot - our decision to renew will depend on moves this summer, draft signings, free agency work and whether we can improve our seats and whether the price changes [drop the $300 seats, move some folks up who would pay $175 for them thus clearing out space for the rest us in the bowl - it's all connected Stan and I may not renew because season tickets aren't necessary to go to a game with this product and they won't be for years to come, don't take us for granted. Stub Hub is a same day ticket solution for less. Seeing empty seats behind home plate is a leading indicator for everything. Tickets to Nats games are not coveted which is what I thought they'd be when I signed up for this thing back in '05. You're losing me fast Stan. Hope you enjoyed the $50+K I fronted you over the past 3.5 years.]

FOUR: Our tickets are $40 (c.) and we have four seats so a game for us is $160 (e). Knowing I can get the same seat for $25 on Stub Hub right now I'd say the value rank is about a 2. There aren't enough benefits for season ticket holders to see any return on the nearly $15K expenditure. I also don't see any appreciation for having 4 seats. The best situation is to have 2 seats. Opening day a person with 2 $10 seats had just as many extra opening day ticket oppotunities as I had (2). That really skewed my view about going forward with a plan in '09 - doubtful.

Other Stadiums - not much experience, but I think $40 seats are overpriced given supply/demand right now. They should be $30 seats until they make the playoffs.

FIVE: a couple of weeks ago I would have answered a., but now I'm looking to trades (either to beef up prospects or get talent here now), draft signings, international success (Japan/Dominican/Venuezuala, etc.) free agency signings and long-term contracts (Zim, Guz, Dukes, Rauch, etc.) to show me the money. I'm definately an e., but I need to see that they actually have a chance to win far before spring training because that is when I need to make a decision about renewing my tickets for '09. Right now, not looking good.

Posted by: CapHill Section 112 | July 7, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

One: Been to 10 games. Watch most of weeknight games on TV. Weekend viewing is spotty. Product will likely reduce viewing (I've turned off games because I can't bear to watch).

Two: I go to games with adult child.

Three: g. Date--will more likely go to games outside of partial plan when it's convenient--has little to do with opponent. Weather is a factor for day of game decisions.

Four: b.

Five: c., although I'd say the product has adversely influenced decisions to go to games outside of plan by not serving as positive motivator.

Posted by: 307/418 | July 7, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

1) games attended six - watch almost all others
2) no kids
3) rank in importance

parking: if lot 8 not available will not go to the game - it has stopped me from going

Political Promotions: will not go if it is some advertisement for a green company - that totally turned me off - I have not been to a game since - It was political and promoting a company, not baseball

stadium: enjoy the new stadium - want to attend and invite friends to come along

On-field product: there is not much left to go see - it's the worst team in the League - if they don't hustle it drives me crazy - if they don't care, why should I

Schedule of the P-Nats: more fun to watch players hustling, rehabs close-up and quality players in the making (until they were all promoted or injured)

Opponent: will go to see teams other than in the Division - the schedule is too heavy with Florida, Atlanta, Mets and Philly. Been there - done that.

Weather: it can change so quickly that I just go and see what happens - fun to be at the park

Posted by: Scott | July 7, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

1) Attended five, probably watched ten more. Plan to attend about five more (I have a one-eighth share of a full-season). If I end up going to more, it would be because something significant was happening (a prospect's major league debut, a chance to spoil a playoff spot, etc.).

2) N/A

3) b,c,d,a,e,f

4) c (Rank: 7 - a lot of money for a ballgame, but a bargain compared to other sporting events like football and hockey) Based on my limited experience in other parks, my impression is that Nats Park overcharges for similar seats.

5) a

Posted by: Scott in Shaw | July 7, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"2 four year old twins who have been to well over 25 games in the past 3 years...we alway pick a high point to leave the game so they always think they win."

Posted by: CapHill Section 112 | July 7, 2008 12:23 PM
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CapHill, this made me bust out laughing too! You are the best parents
EVER!! I sorta wish you could do that for all of us sometimes.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

ONE. Attended: 5. Watched, 15-20. plan to attend another 5 (or that's how many tickets i have from my STH group). Watch? that's random based on my schedule.

TWO. N/A

THREE.

g.) my schedule
a.) the on-field product
c.) the weather
e.) the stadium
b.) the opponent
f.) the specific players on the field
d.) the promotions

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

c.) between $26-$50
Right now? Probably 4. and 3 of that 4 is purely the opportunity to watch baseball. The stadium itself is nice (with the exception of seats being too narrow), but it seems to be run nearly as poorly as RFK was. while the food tastes better, the service and availability of food items is not an improvement. and the ushers were friendlier and better at RFK.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take

i'm caught between C and D, with a little A thrown in. i'll always go to at least a few games, no matter what, because i enjoy baseball. and i'll always be a fan and follow the team. but if the stadium experience continues to be painful, the $26 seasons tickets will go away and i'll go to 2-3 games and pay $5-10 for them. And i'll definitely revert to my RFK ways and bring my own food. a sub from the italian store is just as good as food at the stadium and less hassle (i do that more and more now). i will always be a nats fan, i will always follow the team. but i'm more likely to follow "on tv/radio" than in the stadium if the stadium experience isn't what it should be and the team doesn't continue to improve.

as far as "washington history" vs "franchise history," that will be a divided answer among the fan base. and to the fans who say "screw the expos," understand that the media follows what the team dictates. so if you want to be mad about it, then contact the team. whining on a blog about it won't change anything.

oh, and let me echo oldguy's comment about the beer pen. *great* place to watch a game. only downside is no scoreboard view. maybe the lerners should consider putting a small scoreboard over the press box that has some basic info on it from the main scoreboard that you can't get from the small boards between the mezzanine and lower deck for next season.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I'll second the couple of positive comments re. the P-Nats. They are much closer to home for us and we've had fun watching them when we attended games there (two last year and one this year to date - we hope to attend at least a couple more there).

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

that was me right before natsfan1a... *sigh*

Posted by: 231 | July 7, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

1) Games in person: 5 here (Nationals Park), 3 in Baltimore
Watched on TV: 2-3 Nats games, 3-4 BoSox games
Second half: have tix for 3 games as part of a partial season ticket plan - don't know about adding to that total.
Listened on radio: all games except for when otherwise occupied

2) Kids: N/A

3) a. on-field product e./g. stadium and other: it's just fun to go (sometimes, these days) d. promotions

4) tix as part of partial ST plan: $17 per - good seats at 400 level; $30-55 for seats in other sections

This I'll say for the seating: every seat really does have good sight lines. The cupholders are convenient.

5) D - loyalty but don't know how much more can take and E - really don't know about next season - I'm sure I'll pick games to go to with family and friends as I've done this year, but going in on a ST plan? With the level of play here, doubtful.

Posted by: samantha7 | July 7, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Never posted before, but I figure for this you need a larger, if self-selected, sample size. {g}

1. Attended three, watched one on TV, listen to a lot on radio and track a bunch through mlb's gameday. We've got tickets to three more, one in August and two in September.

2. Two kids, one just short of 14, the other 10 and a half. Their interest level in baseball is pretty high; they like going to the games. We don't leave early. They're dismayed by the record and the injuries, but as long as I'm interested, they're interested.

3. Most important: Opponent
Second most important: Other (Sunday afternoon game, where the game falls on the schedule in general). The rest really don't come into play.

4. A if you don't count the service charges, B if you do. I think it's about an 9 value. It would be ten if we were winning.

5. I'm torn between A and C, largely because we've been lucky, and the Nats have won each of the games we attended. Perhaps we should attend more games! No, I'll go with A. Look at this year's Tampa Bay Rays, after all. Every team has its day.


Posted by: timesink | July 7, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

When can we expect to learn more about Dukes?

Posted by: Twinbrook, MD | July 7, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE.
Attended 7 games and watched most of them on TV. I plan to continue to watch. I will attend roughly 3 or 4 in the 2nd half but that number will fluctuate depending on how often I get invited to go. Also, many of my friends wanted to go to specific games, Cubs/bobble head games.

TWO.
No children but i would bring them.

THREE.
B.)
E.)
A.)
D.)
F.)

FOUR.
I often get free tickets from friend getting their work tickets but when I buy I have bought 5 dollar seats most often, I have bought outfield seats for $35 one time.
A. the 5 and 10 dollar tickets are better than some of the 20 dollar tickets. I think they rank a 10 on the value scale.
B. 11-25 dollar range is very lackluster. They are many times on the same level as the 5 dollar seats so that is a detractor, they are about a 5.
C. Usually some of the best in the house since they are in the Outfield. A 8.5 on value.
D. Sat in the club level 2 times and have greatly enjoyed it. Good views and very comfortable chairs. 7 on value scale.
E.) Sat in the Presidents club and those are worth every penny. However, at $300-350 dollars, they carry a very hefty price. 9 on value scale.

FIVE.
I probably fall into the C category but I do enjoy going to see baseball in general.
It really depends who is at bat, cause if its Willy Mo or Flopez, then it hurts alot more than Zim or Dukes.

Posted by: Hoyaboyd | July 7, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

ONE.
I've attended 15 games so far (usually one/series). I've watched or listened to most of the rest of the games, at least in part, although lately I haven't been sticking in there to the end as often. If I've TiVO'd the game and already know it was a disaster, I might not watch at all. I'm about 50-50 TV or radio. My attendance/viewing habits will probably stay about the same in the 2nd half.

TWO.
Don't have kids, but sometimes take others' kids to the game. The kids don't care about the baseball, but they like the racing presidents, helmut sundaes, and such.

THREE.
I have full-season tickets, so I don't make too many additional ticket purchases, but when I do, it's usually because I have visitors in town and need a group of tickets together (so, that's a g-other). Weather (c) and promotions (d) are also factors in additional ticket purchases. I rounded up a group for Baseball 101, for example.

FOUR. My season tickets fall in the (c) category. The extras I've purchased also fall in the (c) categoory.

FIVE. I'm mostly (a) "baseball is good," with some (c) "I go even when painful." A touch of (d) "Don't know how much I can take," is emerging, however. I had tickets to three games this week and decided to give away the tickets to one game. I didn't make any such gifts in the beginning of the season.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

attended: None, it's a 600 mile drive. Watched a bunch on mlbtv (most of em). Would spend $30 for a tkt. If I lived (still) in area, would go to 25 to 30 a year, thats what I did in 05. Question 5...C would have been my answer. No curtain climbers here. Question 3 would be G...loyalty to area team. I know I jumped around...deal with it.

Posted by: SC Nats Fan | July 7, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The Auxiliary Scoreboard should go right under the lights just beyond the left field stands. That big empty spot there looks like it was created just for that purpose. Looks like you could put a board about 1/4-1/3 the sized of the main board there.

Posted by: OldGuy | July 7, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

ONE:
Three games attended, probably 85% watched on telivision. I hope to attend at least 5 more games, but will probably stop watching as many games on TV in full as the seasons drags on.

TWO:
N/A

THREE:
1 The Weather
2 The Players on the field
3 The opponent
4 The stadium
5 The promotions
6 The on field product

FOUR:
I only have bought the $5 tickets.

FIVE:
I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

Posted by: Jason | July 7, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to sign above. It's probably obvious from my comments, but I keep about 1/3 of the tickets from my full-season plan, and share the rest of the tickets with others.

Posted by: dcbatgirl | July 7, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to sign above. It's probably obvious from my comments, but I keep about 1/3 of the tickets from my full-season plan, and share the rest of the tickets with others.

Posted by: dcbatgirl | July 7, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

SF Fan,

The issue of DC records versus Expos records has been had volumes of comment on the blogosphere. To summarize, DC had two teams stolen, and neither the Twins nor the Rangers really care about the rich history of baseball in DC, which dates back to the 1850s. A sizable number of Nats' fans, believe it is important to keep that history alive and also that it is much more relevant to DC fans than what the Expos did.

My point here was that Chico apparently is unaware of that debate. That is sad, because the WaPo, a newspaper of international reputation, provides such lousy coverage of baseball that they have given us a talented and eager, but woefully unprepared youngster as a beat writer.

Trust me: Shirley Povich would be shocked by what the Post is doing (or not doing) with baseball.

Posted by: C'ville Nat | July 7, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry ... thwarted by the slow posting thing. I'm the 12:55 post.

Posted by: dcbatgirl | July 7, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I have a general question for the portion of the constituency that has admitted to really starting to lose patience:

Suppose this team continues to be godawful for... let's say another three to five years--long enough for you to finally give up and become only a casual fan. If, after all that, The Plan finally kicks in and the team contends for the playoffs one or two years later, will you come back? (This specifically for the STHs who aren't going to renew. If the Nats are good in five or ten years, will you go back to buying STs then?)

Posted by: just curious | July 7, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

1) Attended 0, have watched about a dozen on TV. The family will go to at least 1 game in the 2nd half. Hard to go during the school year due to soccer commitments. Probably will try to make one of the Family Sundays in August.

2) Two, 15-yr old daughter and 12-yr old son. Watch some of the games with my son, but my daughter has no interest to watch on TV.

3
a) on-field product
c) weather
e) stadium
b) opponent
d) promotions
f) specific players

4) Probably b) $11-25, which I would rate a 7 on value scale.

5) c)

Posted by: Dsmac | July 7, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

1)17 attended watch most of others on TV
2) NO kids
3) G- I like the Sunday afternoon games
E
B
A
F
C
D

4) C - 7
5) C

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The piece on the Rays in MLB Sunday gave me a jolt of enthusiasm. If you look at the path of the Rays on MLB Sunday, I'd say we were around Step 3.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/mlb/mlbsunday/070608/

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

NatsNut, thanks for that link. "Jolt" is exactly the right word to describe the feeling it gave me.

And I can't remember the word for this expression on my face... the corners of my mouth are turning up and I think my teeth are showing...

Posted by: hopeful | July 7, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I also enjoyed the Rays/Mariners comparison.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Can we had the Rays/Mariners page as Exhibit M for why not to go ga-ga for free agents and winning now at the expense of tomorrow?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You should talk to Liz Kelly (cf Weingarten's chat) about putting in an actual poll.

1) one game so far, parts of maybe 3 or 4 on TV. Probably about the same in the second half.

2) n/a

3)
a.) the on-field product
g.) other - see friends, socialize
f.) the specific players on the field
c.) the weather
b.) the opponent - wife's a Cubs fan
g.) other -- Ticket prices - mostly a negative here
g.) other -- the "Fan Experience" (or lack thereof)
e.) the stadium - disappointing. Philly's nice, Oriole Park-ark-ark-ark is pretty empty, Phx is good, esp. LF seats. Haven't been to the new Busch--I liked the old one, great fans. Oakland Coliseum is almost as bad as RFK. YS, Wrigley, and Fenway are in another class, different rules.
d.) the promotions

4)
c.) $26-50

5) At any point in the last, oh, thirty years or so up thru 2006, it would have been a), no contest. I don't know exactly why, but this team just isn't much fun to watch, and RFK was no better by the end. Some of it's the boring team, and some of it's the boring fans (which tends to go together for most clubs), but I find I'd rather play than watch, now.

Posted by: ce | July 7, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

1. Games attended=10
Watched on television in the season's first half=1 (opening night, but with the sound off so I could hear the radio). I listen to most games on the radio.
Second half? I have tickets for 9 more, might pick up some extra Sunday games to take my niece and nephews.

2. Children in your family-Niece and nephews are under 10 years old, like the excitement but don't follow the game well yet.

3. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:
Outside of the 20-games plan, I'd decide to go to extra games based on
d.) the promotions
f.) the specific players on the field
c.) the weather
b.) the opponent
a.) the on-field product
e.) the stadium

4. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

My 20 game plan is the $18 seats. Value...7.


5. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
I'll add another to this, if I may: f.) The winning seasons to come will be that much sweeter, having been on board through these early years.

Posted by: nic | July 7, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

1) Attended 9 so far. I Have watched nearly all the games on TV but, have missed about 6-8 games. I Will attend 8 in the 2nd half and will try to watch all on TV.

2)I have two children 5 and 8 years old. The 5 year old goes for the ice cream and has little interest. The 8 year old is very interested.

3) e, c, b, d, f, a

4) c (20 game plan in Section 203) I would give the value a 7. Nats Park is a little more expensive than other parks I have been to.

5) a


Posted by: Section 505/203 | July 7, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

1) I've attended 4 games and watched roughly 40. I plan on attending another 4 or 5 games in the second half.

2) No Kids

3)
f.) the specific players on the field
d.) the promotions
e.) the stadium
b.) the opponent
a.) the on-field product
c.) the weather
None of these are too important to me. I go to ballgames to go to ballgames. I'm going the night Brandon Webb pitches for sure.

4) I've only paid for tickets once, and they were $5, so A. $5 tickets are definitely a 10 in value, as they're pretty good seats. There aren't many stadiums with $5 seats every game, so I'll give Nats Park a 10 comparing it to other stadiums as well.

5)
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

Posted by: dcsportsplus.blogspot.com | July 7, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Games attended = 12, watched/listened = all I have not attended (less 2. Games in 2nd half = I hope to see/hear all (may miss 1 or 2). No drop. I'm a fan.

Two teenage/young adult children with moderate interest in team and greater interest in the stadium experience. Interest is always higher when we are winning, but marginally.


THREE. Ranks

g.) other (Am I free of obligations)
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions
b.) the opponent
e.) the stadium
a.) the on-field product
f.) the specific players on the field

Price per ticket = $20 (7)
I had a better value last year at RFK because the seats were closer, not as high, and I went to watch the game not ogle the stadium.

Value as consumer - I don't understand the question. If you mean how much am I spending per game per ticket in concessions etc.... $25-40

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

Posted by: NatBisquit | July 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

1) Been to two games, but I've heard bits of several more on the radio.
2) N/A.
3) F,E,B,A,D,C.
4) B and C. For the less expensive ticket, the value was a 6 - easy to get to, good view, but we couldn't see all of right field. For the more expensive ticket, I give it a 5 - upper deck behind home plate, and with no ushers to show us how to get to the seats and poor signs, it took a good bit of time to find them.

The food is just too expensive. I spent $22 for two soft drinks without lids and a chicken sandwich.

5) A. But I go to watch the opposing team, too.

Posted by: Andrew | July 7, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

How many games have you 1.) attended -- about half
or 2.) watched on television -- the other half.

How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? All or most.

TWO. (children) N/A

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game
N/A (season tickets already purchased).


FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket?
$16. Value 10. I think my seats right below the press box are the best value in the yard.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win


Posted by: Jim Webster | July 7, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) 24

watched on television in the season's first half? Parts or all of the away games either live or recorded if not home at the time.

How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half?
I'm a full season ticket holder and plan on attending the vast majority as long as other commitments allow.


TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? I have an older child and 2 teenagers. My daughter is going to a game in a couple of weeks with her boyfriend and my youngest (16) just expressed interest recently. Neither of them really like baseball but have gone to a few games in the past due to the newness of it all and to watch me yell and act silly. I have 2 grandchildren that I haven't brought yet (4 and 1). I also have a friend in Indiana that comes a few times each summer and her 3 year old loves the Nats, especially Screech. The little girl has more Nats stuff than my kids or grandkids!

Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?
Neither child is really sports oriented however, they follow enough local news to have a passing interest if the team was good. With my season tickets, I'd fully expect more requests to take friends to games if the team was more successful.


THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

I have season tickets so none of these affect my purchase and very rarely affect my going but if I had to rank them regarding going...
g.) other: It's baseball...
b.) the opponent
d.) the promotions (love the bobbleheads)
c.) the weather
f.) the specific players on the field
a.) the on-field product
e.) the stadium


FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket?

Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain: How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

b.) between $11-25
I'm in 317 (shocker) in the front row @ $20 for two tickets. For me, value is an 8 as I love the view, it's just about exactly where I was at RFK and again, its baseball. I've also struck up a good relationship with my section usher, beer man, and food workers so I tend to have great experiences when I arrive (usually 1.5 hrs before the game. I'd rank the experience higher if there were more tv's located on the concourse as the sections below have.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: Sec 317 | July 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

ONE. I attended 7, I watch most if not all the games on TV even when they are getting blown out.

I plan to attend another 6 or 7 the 2nd half and watch the same amount.

TWO. No children

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

1. the weather
2. the promotions
3. the opponent
4. the on-field product
5. the specific players on the field
6. the stadium

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

c.) between $26-$50

I'd rank it a 7 due to the poor play and the cost of ticket.

The infield box 300 level seats offer a very good view. Compared to other stadiums, it is on the higher end, but the view is perfect for me.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

I love baseball and as long as Baseball is in DC I will support them.


Posted by: Mike | July 7, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

So Chico I think after one day of survey, you have the answers:

1) The Lerners are cheap as hell and just care about making money for themselves.

2) Only the average to non baseball fans give a care about t-shirt toss, the playstation area and the presidents race (albeit it's the best thing going, b/c this team is so bad).

3) Tickets are overpriced (see 1. Lerners are cheap).

4) We're stuck with a crappy team for the forseeable future. The Plan is shot to hell. And we won't sign anyone in the near future.

5) I originally thought the majority of the Nats hardcore fans would stick with the sinking ship, but reading some of the comments above ... that may not be the case. That's what you get when you have the worst roster in baseball (although I understand the injuries come into play, but that can't be the full excuse).

Posted by: The results are in | July 7, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I have a 20-game plan ($22 a seat, Section 306, "Infield Gallery"), which were the seats closest to home plate you were able to purchse with a 20-game plan. I've been to 13 games, so far, and have tickets for 9 more. I'm disappointed with these seats and my wife hates them. They are MUCH higher up, and also further back from the field, than my RFK (Section 414) seats were. So I've been selling them, or giving them away, and going online and purchasing better seats for my scheduled "A" plan games, mostly on the club level, which seems about the same distance from the action as the burgundy seats (400 level) were at RFK -- but are three times (or more) as expensive! Nevertheless, I'd be happy to purchase a 20-game plan in the Club Level if the team decides to opem them up to partial-season plan purchasers. It's less crowded, the seats are wider and cushioned, and you have the in-door (and air-conditioned) dining and other conveniences close at hand. Otherwise, I'm going to forget about the season tickets and "pick and chosse" which games I go to in the future. I really hate to see the word "loyalty" applied here. When you are required to pay for something, it's a business transaction and the question is: Do YOU feel you are getting adequate value for what YOU are spending? It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. But what I'm getting sick and tired of re: Nationals Park is all the propaganda about "views" and "sight lines." If you want great views of the Capitol and the Monuments, you can go to the Mall and sit on a park bench for free! And the observation deck at the top of the Washington Monument has terrific "sight lines." But would you want to watch a ball game from up there? I will continue going to ball games at Nationals Park and rooting for the Nats because I love baseball, and I'm glad to have a team here. But, in my view, most of the paying customers would be getting a better value for our money if they had just built a duplicate of Camden Yards.

Posted by: Alexandria, VA | July 7, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

ONE.

1) 3-4. plan on seeing about the same.
2) 70+. plan on seeing about the same.

TWO.

No children

THREE.

a. onfield product
b. weather
c. stadium
d. opponent
e. specific players on field
f. promotions

FOUR

b. between 11-25

FIVE

c. I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it.

Posted by: PMac | July 7, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

One: We've attended ten games; watched many more. We expect to attend around 22 games by end of season. I must confess I've been turning off the TV lately during their games.

Two: We have a teenager who loves baseball and enjoys the Nats, but is playing baseball himself so much he rarely gets to come to Nats' games. Even when he has time, though, he's not as enthusiastic about going to a game than he used to be. I think kids' interest in the team certainly correlates with success of the franchise.

Three: We are season ticket holders, so we don't purchase tickets during the season. If we did, my answers would be:
a; b; f; c; d; g (the date of the game); and e.

Four: We have wonderful seats (season ticket price is $60/ticket) that we share with other people. We have been season ticket holders since '05 and have experienced price increases each year even as the quality of the team has decreased. The Nats made a huge mistake in raising prices again this year. Since the team is doing so poorly, there really isn't any reason to buy season tickets since you can almost always purchase great tickets for any game. I'm not sure how much longer we will keep our season tickets

Five: D, with B a close second. The key to success for the Nats is being competitive. Watching them in '05 was the most fun I've ever had when it comes to sports. My son and I went to game after game, and never felt like leaving until the game was over. The whole city was in love with the Nats. Even when they collapsed at the end of the season, we still loved them. This year, it's just painful to watch them go through one heartbreaking loss after another. Fans don't expect them to win the World Series or even their Division. We do expect ownership to field a competitive team that will give us a reason, once again, to feel we just have to go to each home game to see what magic the team has in store for us.

Posted by: NatsGal | July 7, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"[Blah, blah, blah]

"Posted by: The results are in | July 7, 2008 1:54 PM"

Really?

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

In response to "the results are in":

Wow. You are really, really pessimistic. (I hope that's not name-calling. I don't mean to be rude; you just don't seem too upbeat.) Those are not the answers I saw at all, actually. I think both you and I read these posts with a decided skew toward the opinions we already had.

In these responses, I saw a lot more "I love baseball, and I'll live with the Nats" than I expected. Usually on NJ, we have a lot of "I hate what the Nats are becoming" and little emphasis on the game itself. Several regular posters temper that negativity a bit, but that's what I see.

I think the problem with the tickets isn't that they're too expensive. It's that they are horribly priced in general. Take a look at the $33 (?) spot over by the right field foul pole sometime. It is always always always the last place to sell because those tickets are awful for the price. Bad sight lines and no out of town scores. On the other hand, the $5 seats are great, and we'd love more of them.

A few people hate their seats, but most think the value is pretty good. Then again, it would be a lot better if we could field a decent team. (Side note: With Millz and Dukes going down in the past week or so, I'm finally starting to believe the team really does suck because of the injuries. The talent is there, somewhere in the depths of the DL.)

Posted by: hopefully yours | July 7, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

ONE

1)I've attended 7 or 8 games (one third partner in 41 game plan)

2) I've watched all but 5 or 6 games on TV. I will go to 7 or 8 more games. I'll watch most of the remaining games on TV when I'm in town.

TWO

3 children. They have zero interest.


THREE

g. other -As long as no Robert Short clone owns the franchise, I intend to support Washington Baseball no matter how wretched the team is.

c. the weather

The remaining options do not matter to me.

FOUR

b. between $11 and $25

FIVE

a. It's Baseball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Natstivity1959 | July 7, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Also, forgot to add:

The main deciding factor in which games to go to (besides already having tickets) seems to be availability. We go when we can.

I don't see where in all of this you read a bitter condemnation of the Lerners at every turn?

(Side note again: You're calling them "cheap." When do you start calling them "cheap bastards"?)

Posted by: hopefully yours | July 7, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. attended about ten games, watched or listened to another 50 or so.

TWO. they enjoy baseball but if the team is a loser it's hard to keep them interested.

THREE.
1.) the on-field product
2.) the specific players on the field
3.) the weather
4.) the opponent
5.) the stadium
6.) the promotions

FOUR. i spend $5-15 a ticket. i think the value for those seats is decent.

FIVE. I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

Posted by: Fire Bowden | July 7, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

1). Games attended: 5
Games watched on TV: 60+
Will attend 5 more (they are in my season ticket allocation), but do not plan to walk up for any games. This is down from 50+ games in 2005, 30+ in 2006, and 15-20 last year.

2.) Two kids--2 years old and 7 months. Neither has been to a game yet this year, though the 2 year old went to several in 2006 and 2007. He really likes it when we cheer for a great play, but unfortunately those have been few and far between this year--particularly since he is generally sleeping by the time our walk-off wins have rolled around.

3.) g.) other--Best fit for my schedule.

4.) d.) $60 face value on our season tix.

5.) d.) I like having a portion of season tix because it give me and the wife a reason to go out and do something without the kids. If the product doesn't improve though, I may find something else to go out and do without the kids. It is painful enough to watch a club like this on TV, and the beer in my house is better and cheaper than what they serve at the stadium.

Posted by: Brewer | July 7, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. Have attended 6, will attend 5 or 6 more in second half. Watched approximately 3/4 of remaining games on TV, listened to several others in car. This amount will decrease as the season progresses as they are simply not entertaining.

TWO. My kids are young adults, and not particularly interested in the team, though they express interest in the new stadium, they have not attended any games.

THREE.

a.) the on-field product
e.) the stadium
c.) the weather
f.) the specific players on the field
d.) the promotions
b.) the opponent

FOUR.

c.) between $26-$50
Value is not much better than 4 or 5. For real value, head 4-1/2 hours northwest to PNC Park. Beautiful stadium, great prices. On the field product is even a bit better than Nats this year.

FIVE.
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses;

but starting to trend toward:
e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win.

They have to at least play hard and smart. Several of the losses in the last month have been pathetic for the lack of effort.


Posted by: jz | July 7, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"So I've been selling them, or giving them away, and going online and purchasing better seats for my scheduled "A" plan games, mostly on the club level, which seems about the same distance from the action as the burgundy seats (400 level) were at RFK -- but are three times (or more) as expensive!"

You shouldn't be giving away your season tickets and then turning right around and purchasing other seats for the same games. Instead, did you know you can go to the Ticket Services window (on the left of the Centerfield Gate, outside the turnstiles and built into the parking garage) on the day of the game and upgrade your seats to another location in the stadium by paying the difference in price? For instance, a couple of weeks ago I upgraded my seat from Upper Infield Gallery to Batter's Eye Box on the day of the game and was charged $17. Much better than having to buy two tickets just to be able to sit in a different seat for a change. (Unless of course you LIKE giving away your tickets to a friend and then having to buy another one for yourself.) You may even be able to do an upgrade for a future game at Ticket Services. I don't know, though, as I've never tried that.

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 7, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. Attended: 5, watched: many. I will be attending as many games as I receive free tickets from friends and coworkers for. I'm not paying any more money to see a team this bad. I'm not asking for a World Series win, i'm asking for a competitive team that I can expect to see win occasionally. Right now I go to the ballpark with the single expectation of losing.

TWO. No kids, but if I had them, they'd think we were awful too.

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

On field product
Friends in town who like baseball too
Opponent
Stadium
Promotions
Weather
Specific players


FOUR. $25. I'd rate it a 3-4 right now because the new stadium is cool and it's a fun place to go with friends. Next year, if the team is this bad, i will rate that value as a 1 or a 0.

FIVE.

d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take. I gutted my way through a rebuild with the Capitals and i'm ready to do the same thing with the Nationals...but constant losing sucks and it's really a kick in the teeth to the fans to see a team that has obviously given up.

Posted by: BadKarma723 | July 7, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

1) have attended 5, will get to at least that many in second half. Weather, job commitments and health are the variables, although I'm sure I'd be there more often if the Nats were fighting it out for first place.
2) N/A
3) N/A season tickets. Continued belief in THE PLAN will lead to renewal.
4) My tickets are $55/game. Comes with padded seat bottoms, 'exclusive' club area. I'd be as happy cheaper without the padding and exclusivity. Chose these for angle of view. My seats @ Camden Yard, in section 43, were better value, except for the drive, at $38.
5) a. It's baseball. Even when they get good, they will lose a lot of ball games. The on field product was better than expected in 2005 and 2006, a little better in 2007. This year was disappointing before all the injuries, but as long as they don't quit in the second half, I'm content.

Posted by: section 209 | July 7, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE.
1) 5
2) most on tv. plan to go to more games in-person and watch the same on tv.

TWO.
have a son, working to raise him with some "nationals pride" - but being a fan in our house means supporting the team regardless of the product on the field (i.e. see green bay packers, 1980s)

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

b
g - price of tickets available
f
c
a
d
e


FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

c

value - 7.
while the stadium is great, as is the "stadium experience", tickets are still overpriced. the main reason we're going to the game is to watch the GAME.


FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

c

Posted by: dcvoterboy | July 7, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

1. Attended 14 games so far; will attend at least 7 the rest of the way. Have watched at lat parts of the majority of the other games on TV (prefer to turn the volume down & listen to the radio guys). Am seeing fewer games in the second half because I saw additional games outside my season ticket plan in the first half; am unlikely to do that in the second half.

2. My stepson is an O's fan. He was intrigued by the new stadium buzz & could warm to the Nats if they were competitive or interesting, but that ain't happening this year.

3. a.
b.
c.
d.
f.
e.

4. For most games, $18. I'd give a "5" for rank.Price is not bad, but the view from our "nosebleed" seats this year is not as good as last year's.

5. C

On other issues, I feel the same way OldGuy does about Washington records vs. Montreal records, maybe because I've lived here long enough to remember fondly Rocky Bridges' 1958 season. For what it's worth, the Orioles' franchise does not honor the old St. Louis Browns' records: no mention of George Sisler or Vern Stephens in their media books. We should do the same.

One more thing. This year is going so uniquely, horribly wrong that we could make history. I'm pretty sure (did some rudimentary research) that it has never happened that an MLB team's leading RBI man had fewer RBIs than the league or MLB leader in HRs. Right now, Milledge leads us in RBIs with 32; Utley has 24 HRs. It's a long shot, obviously, but....

Posted by: CapPeterson | July 7, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

OK I'm getting tired of all this "Lerners are cheap" nonsense.

The Lerners want money.

The Lerners are entrepreneurial and intelligent, and are very good at making money.

The Lerners plan to keep this team for a while.

If the team keeps losing, a LOT of us will stop paying to watch them do it.

The Lerners, being smart and miserly, know this. They know that if they want your hard-earned cash, they need to field a team that you will pay to watch--and often!

The Lerners aren't trying to trash the team to make money, because a loser is not the most profitable kind of team. If they really are as money-oriented as you all say (which I don't doubt), they will at least field a .500 team with an outside chance at the playoffs every year. They're working on it!

Because they like money and they know how to get it.

Posted by: may be cheap, but they're not stupid | July 7, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Nature herself has never attempted to effect great changes rapidly."

- Quintilian

Posted by: on The Plan | July 7, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: The results are in | July 7, 2008 1:54 PM"


Posted by: interpretation skills are lacking? | July 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

You miss the point, mbcbtna (or should I not abbreviate the contraction?). The people that keep calling the Lerners cheap are the true believers in the plan, who think by calling the Lerners cheap over and over again, they will hasten the End Time when the team finally becomes a champion.

I refer you to the prophesy of Stan, in which he foretold that before the End Time, the Lerners would be called "cheap" and, afterwards, "cheap bastards." These glorious devotees hope to fill the world with enough "cheap" accusations that we can proceed to "cheap bastard" and our almighty savior, High-Priced Free Agent, will come down and deliver every Washingtonian a World Series ring and start an eternal reign of baseball as DC's top sport.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Who doesn't love a good poll? I have not yet read the prior responses, but here's mine:

1. I have attended 3 games, maybe 4. Combining in-person attendance and TV watching, I've seen about 87 of the 90 played so far. (I tape the games and watch them the next morning. There was one I skipped completely, and I think two where I got frustrated, checked the box score to confirm that we did indeed get our guts stomped, and gave up.) I will watch fewer games in the second half, as I'll be out of town for a few weeks and will be forced to rely on game stories.

2. My two-year-old shows no interest in the sport. She has almost no exposure to it, though: naps and bedtime are precious, precious things, not to be trifled with.

3. I don't understand the question. I decide to go because g) there's a game and h) it's a time when my schedule permits me to go. Now, I may make a little more effort to get to see b) certain opponents, but it's the Nats. Given my druthers, I'd go like once a week, maybe more.

4. I personally don't pay for a ticket. My dad has a share in a season-ticket plan; the seats are like b) $25 or so.

5. a) It's baseball. It's great just to be at the park. Sometimes you see a great game -- played by the wrong team. Sometimes it's just a bad game -- hey, it happens. Sometimes ... you see something really special. That's baseball.

Posted by: Scooter | July 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The Lerners are cheap bastards.

Posted by: (...does this mean they can be good now?) | July 7, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The Lerners are cheap bastards.

Posted by: (...does this mean they can be good now?) | July 7, 2008 2:47 PM

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A good start, young disciple. Thanks to your efforts, the team will not lose tonight.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scooter, you forgot! Sometimes it rains.

Posted by: Crash Davis | July 7, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Funny posts 506. And Scooter, I laughed at your 2-year-old-bedtime > baseball comment.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The Lerners had a chance to make a splash at spending money on marquee free agents (see Torri Hunter and Kyle Loshe), but instead told the think tank to go with the retreads and AAAA players. They told our fans "hey the new stadium is our number one free agent".

Oh that's good, can he win 80 games? And I don't mean to be rude, but looking at some of the posts (those who spend 28,000 on season tickets) fans are growing tired of this losing product.

How can you not put blame on our owners? I'm not sticking up for JimBo (he should be gone), but he doesn't have much money to work with. I admitted if we weren't hit by the injury bug we'd probably have 10 or so more wins.

But, from everything I have read (from the Ken Rosenthal report last year, how the Lerners were skipping out on checks to scouts/employees/even shipping charges ... to the Post article about the Lerners owing the city tons of money for the stadium) I just don't have a lot of faith in the Lerners.

I like Kasten - a lot - and he has always built a winner. But it's been what almost three years? And things have gone down hill. He said fans would call the Lerners cheap, even cheap b@$tards ... and I am calling them cheap (not b@$tards though).

Like I said I'm not trying to be rude and I'll still be attending games and watching them on tv ... but for you Lerner supporters ... what makes you think they'll actually spend money?

Posted by: The results are in | July 7, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I've attended 5 games and will see 2 more in July. I wanted to see games early in the year as I suspected we'd be out of the race by July 15. I've watched only parts of about 10 other games as they demand too many hours in front of a TV for a full game.

My teenagers find the game too slow but have each gone to one game with me to take in the new park. If the team was "alive" they may feel differntly.

Living in Fairfax County, I go to weekend games when traffic is tolerable. Nothing M - F as getting to the Park would be awful.

Our group has season tickets @ $40/per. I then spend $10 to $20 per person.

The team needs to start winning or least being respectable. They remind me of the 2004 - 2005 Capitals as we eagarly await Alex O!

Posted by: T-man | July 7, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"How can you not put blame on our owners? ...what makes you think they'll actually spend money?"


Tysons. What, you think they built that for free?

(You gotta give a little to get a little. When they're confident they'll get anything, they'll start giving.)

Posted by: just saying... | July 7, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Results, I think they'll spend money when they think it's the right time to spend money. They're following the same strategy the Rays have, though without the four or five years of muddling around trying to buy a team.

Check out this link:
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/mlb/longterm/2008/preview/pdf/mlb_sunday_070608.pdf

I know I approve of this way of building a franchise. Taking your lumps, investing in home grown talent, only signing free agents as a last resort gap-plugger.

I don't know the Lerners will do a good job at it, but who does until they do? And this isn't the time yet. When is the time? Whenever the stew is ready, that's part of the difficulty. If there was a clear-cut formula, then they wouldn't pay out big bucks to people that have a record of getting it done.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm hearing you guys, but for a town that was out of baseball for so long, we all want to win now.

Everything that has happened thus far, makes me believe the Lerners aren't going to do anything.

We are a major market. We should have a major league roster.

Open it up Lerners, open it up.

Posted by: The results are in | July 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"But it's been what almost three years?"
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Almost exactly 2.
Marlins win the series in 1997 and then sell off the team. Marlins win the series in 2003.
That folks is six years. 6. SIX YEARS.
Note that they had really good players to sell off (it isn't even worth trying to compare them and the Nationals circa October 2006) and get prospects out of the sale. They ALSO did not have a minor league system that was almost completely bereft of any semblance of talent.
It hurts but it's going to be at least 2010 before we start even thinking about contending (or being seriously considered as a destination by any really decent free agents).
I suggest that, while you chant "Cheap Bastards" as your mantra, you practice catching flies with chopsticks. You must learn patience Grasshopper.

Posted by: OldGuy | July 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"I like Kasten - a lot - and he has always built a winner. But it's been what almost three years?"

Well, it's not even two years yet since the Lerners held the grand RFK Re-Opening weekend (July 21-23, 2006) to formally launch their taking the reins as owners. But who's counting, anyway?

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I do see where you're coming from, Results. (FWIW, I take the opposite opinion. I waited my whole life for baseball, and now I'm going to enjoy it, losing be damned.)

But at this point, I really don't see what else there is to be done. If there were a 25-man roster of obscenely expensive free agents on the market who would break the bank but might win the World Series, Steinbrenner would already have picked them up. It's not easy to field a good team, even with a ridiculously high payroll. Granted, it's much harder with a ridiculously low one.

The thing is, there's no guarantee we could have a decent team if we spent tons of money on MLB guys right now (as opposed to the AAAA, or even AAA, team on the field). Sure, we'd have a dozen more wins. Maybe even a .500 record. But we still wouldn't make the playoffs, and we still wouldn't draw the bandwagon crowds.

So The Plan is not only to lose, but to lose splendidly. Why? Because not only do we save hundreds of millions on payroll, we drastically improve our draft pick. And that's the way to rebuild; just ask the De... ahem, the Rays. (If we changed our name to the ionals, would we miraculously turn into the best team in baseball?)

I hate losing too, but I'm willing to concede that it's the best way to win consistently later.

Posted by: just saying... | July 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

1. Own half of a 20 game ST pac. Attended 7 so far (including 2 in addition to my ST share). Expect to attend 6 more, my ST share, no additional games. Watched 60+ so far but that is droping off fast because the team is hard to watch. I have only watched 2 or 3 games of the last 10, and that won't improve if they don't.

2. 2 college age boys who don't much care for baseball. This is primarily the fault of Angelos because they had no chance to love a team of their own while they were young. I shall always despise that man and his team for taking that away from my family. Got my sons to go to one game with us, and they had a great time. They don't watch on TV, but that is at least in part attributable to the team being bad, or so they say.

3.Rank factors for non ST:
g.--when friends/family want to go.
e.
a.
c.
d.
b.

4. ST are in range b (just to the 1st base side of the press box). Value: 7, would be higher if team didn't stink. When I purchased the non-ST games category c, also value 7. Love the stadium, team disappointing but the injury factor has really been a killer for them, so there is that....

5. Primarily e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win. But there is also a large portion of a. baseball is good... Basically, I really enjoy baseball, have closely followed the Nats since their arrival and love the stadium, but they have not been much fun to watch this year, unlike the previous seasons. Will keep my 20 game pac next year, but if they continue to be no fun...

Posted by: NatsFly | July 7, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

That's the best idea of the day. For the rest of the season I am calling them the "Ionals" or "Ions" for short.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

You are willing to concede losing with these overpriced ticket prices?

Posted by: huh? | July 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"It hurts but it's going to be at least 2010 before we start even thinking about contending (or being seriously considered as a destination by any really decent free agents)."
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Let me make that stronger:
"It's going to be AT LEAST 2010 before we start even THINKING about contending." IOW not that we WILL contend, but that we have an OUTSIDE chance that the winds will blow right and we could see have the POSSIBILITY of being someplace sort of close to maybe being in the mix.
2011 or 2012 is my guess at a realistic chance at a playoff run.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Haha oops I was speaking the word three, but thinking two.

Two years since they have had ownership and the club has gone down hill.

Posted by: The results are in | July 7, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"You are willing to concede losing with these overpriced ticket prices?"

Didn't say I'd keep paying to see it happen... Although, I actually will. I only ever pay for the (highest value in the park) $5 seats anyway. Cheaper than a movie and 1.5 times as long. Call me crazy, but I don't feel ripped off.

Posted by: just saying... | July 7, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Lerners are Cheap"...skip..."Lerners are Cheap"...skip..."Lerners are Cheap"...skip..."Lerners are Cheap"...skip..."Lerners are Cheap"...skip..."Lerners are Cheap"...skip..."Lerners are Cheap"...skip...

Posted by: Broken Record | July 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

1) 8 games

2) 2 teens who get bored if they don't have friends that go along. When we give them tix and metro cards they love to go. Neices and Nephews who are early to mid twentys love the happening and hang at the Red Porch.

3) Opponent and players on the field, followed by weather.

4) I spend as little as I can. A baseball game should not cost over $20 bucks a ticket. We went on a whim to the Milwaukee game on May 25th looking to buy the cheapest ticket available. That turned out to be a $75 ticket, or so said the box office. When we got into the stadium, we saw that it was pretty full, but there were cheaper seats available. The Nats need a lesson on pricing. To get fannys in the seats, lower the price. 40K per night will spend $50 bucks or more on stadium fare. 23K per night in a $60 seat won't feel the need to spend. The value of Nats walk up tickets - I rate at 3. Camden Yards was relatively inexpensive when we went up to see the Nats.

5)I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: 6th and D | July 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Brutal assessment of the team by the MLB beat writer on WTEM this afternoon. He said it was the worst team he has ever covered, that the players lack the fundementals to play the game, and that Lopez needs to go. Al Koken added that if he had his way that Colome should go immediately and Ladsen didn't argue with him.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I recommend the Right Field Terrace. Great views at that price. Tickets are only overpriced if you're sitting in the lower bowl, but, then, if you're sitting down there you can probably afford to overpay. Not me!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

A question regarding broken records in general: If what we're repeating is true, does that justify us in bludgeoning the rest of us with our opinion? If not, what should we say when our opinion hasn't changed?

Posted by: not just cheap, cheap BASTARDS. | July 7, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

**does it justify US in bludgeoning YOU


(sorry.)

Posted by: ...cheap BASTARDS | July 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

506, I much prefer the left field equivalent of that terrace. I can't stand the sun in my face for the first half of any game sitting in left, and it's painful on those 95+ temp/humidity days.

Posted by: 401/402 | July 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The worst thing about a broken record is it usually got that way because we liked listening to the whole thing. Just expand to show all facets or new facets and it's not objectionable

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Oops, meant i can't stand the sun in right. I like to sit in left.

Posted by: 401/402 | July 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

C'Ville -- You are a huuuge crankypants. What the heck else do you want? Why should anyone know or care who was the last Wash SS in the AS game? Really? What newspapers do it soooo much better?

Posted by: Steve C | July 7, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I've mentioned this before, but Results (and/or Lerners are Cheap)

How are they cheap when they pumped huge amounts of money into their scouting team before the ink was dry on their ownership papers?

How are they cheap when they signed their top 20 of the ownerships first draft?

How are they cheap when at least one of those drafts was over slot?

How are they cheap when they agreed to the (literally) last minute, creative deal with McGeary, allowing him to go to school but still paid him?

Not to mention they paid him 1st or 2nd round money when he went in the 6th round.

How are they cheap when they gave Manny an unexpected bonus check?

You say they are cheap for one reason and one reason alone: They did not sign free agents. And it's not a very good reason to call them cheap because there are lots and lots of good reasons for not signing free agents besides just saving money.

Refer again to Exhibit M:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/mlb/mlbsunday/070608/

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

1. 3 attended. Many watched on TV (Nats at bat mostly). Lot of radio too. Will continue at pace unless things get worse (e.g., only playing 8 in the field due to injuries).
2. No kids.
3.
g.) friend's availability
c.) the weather
e.) the stadium
a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
d.) the promotions
f.) the specific players on the field
4.c.) between $26-$50
They're all ripoffs.
5. c & d
c) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it.
d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take.

Posted by: avpcomp | July 7, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

NatsNut, the Lerners have been criticized for skimping on comically minimal things, like uniforms and FedEx charges. Not that that would make them much money in the grand scheme of things, but it's something to gripe about.

And have you seen the team lately? It's just begging to be griped about.

Posted by: another side | July 7, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"I wouldn't know a baseball if it hit me in the head but, the Lerner's are Cheap"...skip..."I wouldn't know a baseball if it hit me in the head but, the Lerner's are Cheap"...skip..."I wouldn't know a baseball if it hit me in the head but, the Lerner's are Cheap"...skip..."I wouldn't know a baseball if it hit me in the head but, the Lerner's are Cheap"...skip...

Posted by: Broken Record Side B | July 7, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Okay, fine. They scrutinize the little things. Whatever. But scrutinizing the little things are not the reason the team is losing right now.

There are probably a ton of reasons the team is losing right now but I guarantee you it's NOT because the Lerners watch their spending on things like FedEx.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

@ C'ville Nat

You go to Centreville?

Posted by: Mac | July 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Scooter, I laughed at your 2-year-old-bedtime > baseball comment.
___________________________

NatsNut, I'm delighted to learn that my soul-rending agony at having a toddler who refuses to nap or go to bed amused you.

Somebody might as well get some joy out of it.

Posted by: Scooter | July 7, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

LOL...you're killing me!

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

And there's another twist of the knife ...

Posted by: Scooter | July 7, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

ONE: 1) Four
2) I've seen some or all of probably about 2/3rds of the games

I will probably attend about a half dozen games the rest of the way.

TWO: My wife enjoys going, but has little interest in following the team beyond that.

THREE: I go whenever I can fit in a game. The team, the opponent don't really matter, I just like going to a game.

FOUR: I buy the cheapest tickets available.

FIVE: a.

Posted by: pondaz | July 7, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

He is funny, NatsNut. :)

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

ONE: 1) 10 2) 10

TWO: N/A

THREE: A, F, B, C, E, D

FOUR: B, C, A, D, E - the Nats experience, (i.e. tickets, food/drink/beer) is WAY overpriced.

FIVE: D - we will probably not renew our partial season ticket package next year

Posted by: SEC305 | July 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Oooh, oooh, Scooter, tell the one about getting things on your hand that you swore you never would!

Then the one about how much money you need to start saving to get just a basic college education!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

ONE.
Attended five or so games. Watched almost all on TV. Ditto for second half.

TWO: I have a 6 year old daughter who likes to go to games and watch a couple minutes on TV, usually when it's time to go to bed. No correlation between their record and her interest.

THREE:
The only factors that affect me are, in order of importance: When the game is occuring--I prefer Sunday afternoon games; who we're playing--I'd rather see a good team.

c) between $26 and $50...
But that doesn't include the hugely expensive food and other items you end up buying. It is overpriced, but I will pay it.
Nationals Park: They've had some scoreboard glitches. Good place to see a game on the inside. They butchered the outside, though, mainly because of the parking garages that serve as the building's (ugly) facade for the 90 percent of the crowd that enters from that direction. A blown opportunity to add something special to the DC urban landscape.

FIVE. My view is..
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it.
That's because I'm a fanatic. A lot of others who are not big enough fans to be on your site to begin with will think differently. Your poll results will be skewed because your audience is comprised of people already predisposed to be devoted to the team.

Thanks for asking.

Posted by: John DC | July 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

1) Attended - 6 (mostly sober); watched - Sober? While watching 2 -4 other games at the same time in a bar? another 15 - 20, but not all sober. 2d half - another 4 or so live, and another 15 or so on TV.

2) N/A

3) c (weather - a fair weather fan); b (oppponent); a (on-field product); f (specifc players), g (other - food).

4) Section 208 $45 season ticket group - very good value (3 games). Resold section 112 tickets - $40 tix for $25 - true value. Section 306 - OK - I think $25 but don't remember. RF section 2 deck - forget the section - ripped off at $20+ (sorry 231).

Overall values worse than Camden Yards. I have 3 Sunday games in section 14 at $32, 12 rows from the field, even with the 2d baseman. Awesome! Bleachers at $15 or $20 are great, too. Fenway, however, stinks. Seats near the LF Wall arorund $80 a game are a rip off.

5) c

Posted by: PTBNL | July 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

oops - undercounted the tv games. about 13 weeks, so about 30 (3 a week when I'm in town)

Posted by: ptbnl | July 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Mac,

I assume you are asking whether I go to Centreville High School. . . . I will assume that it is a sincere question and that you are not insulting my intelligence. I live in Centreville, but graduated from high school (not in Centreville) more than 30 years ago. . . I guess that makes me old enought to be your dad. . .

And whatever happened to the Nats poet laureate from last year. We could use some levity . . . Oh, You Nats

Posted by: C'ville Nat | July 7, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse


1. I've attended six games, two at Nationals Park (exhibition with the O's and opening day), one in Citizens Bank Park, and three at Safeco. I've watched or listened to almost all of the remainder of the games.

2. No kids, except me.

3. None of those rate. They're my team. I go for the same reason you your second cousin's wedding - you have to.


4. d.) between $51-100 for opening day, around $10-20 for the rest of the games.

5. a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses. Remember 1972. Remember 1973. Remember 1974. Remember...


However... NONE of my answers should be construed to mean that I am willing to accept junk as the expected product in the long run.

Posted by: Wigi | July 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

1) Attended 7, Watched or listened to most on tv/radio. Will attend at least 5 more.

2) No children, but I bring friends (and my husband) along.

3)
f.) the specific players on the field
e.) the stadium
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions
a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent

4) d.) between $51 - $100, though I scored a free diamond club ticket once. And, have done the $20 seats a couple times. (all seats have been good). I'd give the value a 7-8. Can't compare with any other parks except PNC Park, which is just a stellar park so it wouldn't be fair.


5) a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses -- although they are breaking my heart this year. I'll keep watching though no matter what.

Posted by: darcy | July 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

ONE. Attended 12 of 20 on my season plan plus two others "ad hoc," caught most of the others on TV or radio. Plan to attend the other 8 games on my plan and catch most of the rest on TV or radio.

TWO. My 12-year-old son loves the Nats but is very discouraged by the constant losing.

THREE. FOR AD HOC (NON-SEASON-PLAN) PURCHASES:

a.) the on-field product - 4
b.) the opponent - 1
c.) the weather - 3
d.) the promotions - 6
e.) the stadium - 5
f.) the specific players on the field - 2
g.) other (please list)

FOUR. b.) between $11-25; Value - 4; compared to other parks - worse (good seats are too expensive and concession prices are outrageous).

FIVE. c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it; HOWEVER, I'm not renewing my 20-game season tickets. I'll attend 15-20 games on a walk-up basis next year.

Posted by: Section 420 | July 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Since others commented on Post coverage of the Nats, I'll add my two cents:
I'd rather see more in-depth analysis and reporting about what actually happened in the game; who is performing and who is not; what the teams problems are; what experts think can be done to fix it; whether they've made the right moves.
What I'd like to see less of is this: It seems the Post editors have asked you and your predecessor to grab some "featurey" element of the game(like how all members of the Young family felt during their get-together at the game in Minnesota; or which part of the outfield fence did the cart that pulled Dukes drive through in removing him from the field in Cincy; or some other insignificant thing) and spend 500 words on that, leaving little space for who did what on the field.
At the risk of sounding misanthropic, a little less human interest and a little more baseball interest would be nice.

Posted by: John DC | July 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

1 - Attended one and watched all but west coast games. Hope to attend another and will watch most of rest.
2 - My grown son is a fan; grown step-daughter bought me the ticket to the one game I attended and went with me.
3 - G - Time, distance (Frederick Co, MD) and cost keep me from attending more games.
4 - D
5 - A
I'm with Oldguy and others - Washington Records Rule. I am not quite old enough to remember Walter Johnson but I do remember Griffith Stadium. And it is not only WAPO that gives less than stellar coverage of the Nats - all local TV and Radio stations are also guilty.

Posted by: HALjr | July 7, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"How are they cheap when they signed their top 20 of the ownerships first draft?"

...What about this year? Not even close to signing any of their top prospects. There are some teams out there that have their top few picks signed and all ready playing. We're supposed to have the plan too! It should be done ASAP.

"How are they cheap when at least one of those drafts was over slot?"

...A lot of players are paid over slot. I agree it's the right move on their part, but you have to spend a decent amount of money on the MLB talent too. It's great to have prospects tabbed with potential for the future, but don't just sit and accept a crappy product. Put more money into the MLB team.

"How are they cheap when they agreed to the (literally) last minute, creative deal with McGeary, allowing him to go to school but still paid him?"

...It's the right move. But again, like I said, why don't you show some love to the MLB product?

"How are they cheap when they gave Manny an unexpected bonus check?"

...He deserved it. And you know what, I don't care that Ryan Zimmerman got hurt but they could've signed him long term as well. You know it had to hit him deep inside he didn't get paid, when after six career games Evan Longaria got a contract.

For those of us who are fed up with the Lerners, I think it's the fact that we're tied of the Ryan Langerhans/Pete Orrs/Joel Hanrahans of the world and we want some real MLB talent. And now.

Posted by: in defense of The results | July 7, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended
or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half?

I've been to 12, I've watched at least 40.

How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain.

I'll go to at least another 13, and watch another 40.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?

No kids. But kids' interest does correlate to the success of the franchise. Absolutely.

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

b.) the opponent
c.) the weather

All the rest just come with the territory.

a.) the on-field product
d.) the promotions
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
g.) other (please list)

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket?

Season seats - $25

Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain.

10 - the value is excellent. 223 is an awesome vantage point. Couldn't be happier. Concessions are easy, everything I want is close by. I could not be happier.

How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

c.) between $26-$50

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

Posted by: DanD187 | July 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"You know it had to hit [Zimmerman] deep inside he didn't get paid, when after six career games Evan Longaria got a contract."

I will lose so much respect for Ryan Zimmerman if the reason he doesn't have a long term contract is because the Lerners didn't offer him one.

The way I see it, the dude is playing smart business and not signing low. Run it down to the wire and try to get paid what you think you're worth, don't settle.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

1. Attended 8, watched parts of most of the others until a week ago when I moved to Europe. Back home in August.
2. Middle child a superior high school player who hopes to play Division III for a good team next year; oldest and youngest are good athletes who know the game and have been at least once to Nationals Ballpark.
3. I grew up with the Senators, so for me probably the most important issue is the players. I have a twenty game package (I live in Charlottesville or I would go to more games) so I don't go to many games that are not in my package.
4. I like my seats right behind the Nats bullpen, but were I to reconsider I might spend some more money and get seats high up but behind home plate, where I sat in RFK the past three seasons.
5. Hey it's baseball, although I've been to some pretty ugly games and have seen some mistakes that even looked bad when my son was playing Little League. Wish the kids with all the potential wouldn't go on the DL.

Posted by: Section 138 | July 7, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

"NatsNut, the Lerners have been criticized for skimping on comically minimal things, like uniforms and FedEx charges. Not that that would make them much money in the grand scheme of things, but it's something to gripe about."

The Lerners have been criticized, once or twice, for skimping on comically minimal things. But none of those things they have been criticized for has ever been proven, or even followed up on by a press that's usually rabid at the slightest hint of scandal. Yet those shards of bits of hints at a scandal seem to have an infinite shelf life in the hands of the Lerners are Cheap crowd. (Perhaps because they have nothing else with which to buttress their argument?) The departed but not missed NJ poster swanni was a master at pulling out these non-stories over and over again, to name just one of the biggest offenders in that regard.

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 7, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

You can still hear from swanni everyday, if you want...

http://www.tvpredictions.com/newsletter.html

And as for Hendo, he's got his own digs now that are always worth checking out. He doesn't bust out the poetry anymore, though.

http://www.nationalspride.com/columnists/?blog=hendo

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

hmmm, I'd assumed that C'ville was Charlottesville.

Re. the Poet Laureate (if I understood who you mean), he's around, just not on this blog.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"A question regarding broken records in general: If what we're repeating is true, does that justify us in bludgeoning the rest of us with our opinion? If not, what should we say when our opinion hasn't changed?

Posted by: not just cheap, cheap BASTARDS. | July 7, 2008 3:53 PM "

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(a) it's true in your eyes, not necessarily true in others' eyes, so it's not a fair assumption that it's actually true, it's just your opinion.

(b) i have no problem with people who think the lerners are cheap saying that sometimes. it's the incessant insertion of "lerners are cheap" at every available moment that's annoying and unproductive. not unlike how everything was turned into "fire bowden" when SoCH was more regular here.

voice your opinion, please (and expect the other side to disagree). that's what we're all doing here. just have enough depth to who you are to have more to say than just that. if that's all you have to add the the conversation, then you have very little to contribute.

Posted by: 231 | July 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

ah, 506 beat me to it.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Results:

You didn't answer how my points make the Lerners cheap. I never said my points were over and above what other teams are doing.

The deadline for signing drafts is over a month away. You can't say a word about it until August 16.

If they were cheap, they would say Manny earned his salary, nothing more.

If they were cheap the wouldn't sign the draftee over slot. period.

I show plenty of love to the MLB product, thank you very much. It's exactly the reason why I'm patient.

We are not TIED to Langerhans's of the world. Guys like Langerhans are stop gaps while they are BUILDING.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Just saw on The Sports Bog that DC United, on average, has more viewers than the Nats do.

Vamos United.

Posted by: O's Exec | July 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Scott in Shaw: You weren't at the tailgate at RFK with Wigi's salmon on the hood of Hendo's convertible? Could have sworn that was you. Oh well. It was some guy with "Shaw" in his moniker. Sorry.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I think that it may have been Shaw Nats Fan, NatsNut.

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Also, the way that your question was worded "with Wigi's salmon on the hood of Hendo's convertible, sounds kinda like a game of Clue. :D

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

" :D

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

it kinda sounded dirty, to me.

Posted by: 231 | July 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

A better category list for the ticket prices in question four, based on actual prices and locations:

a.) between $5-10
b.) between $15-24
c.) between $25-39
d.) between $40-80
e.) $150 or more

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Just saw on The Sports Bog that DC United, on average, has more viewers than the Nats do.

Vamos United.

Posted by: O's Exec | July 7, 2008 5:47 PM

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Cuz your boy Angelos sticks us on MASN2 all the time.

He should just make a deal so Comcast SportsNet would get the Nats.

>CSN
Redskins pre-season
Wizards
Capitals
Nationals
DC United
College Basketball

>MASN
Ravens pre-season
Orioles
Bayhawks
College Basketball

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're right. It's all Angelos' fault. Of course nobody would ever not watch to watch a team that's near 20 games under .500. No, never.

Posted by: O's Exec | July 7, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Ignore it.

Posted by: the troll | July 7, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

OMG. Ya'll CRACK me UP! I'm all alone at work laughing my, um, ears off. The cleaning staff must think I'm crazy.
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"Also, the way that your question was worded "with Wigi's salmon on the hood of Hendo's convertible, sounds kinda like a game of Clue. :D"

Posted by: natsfan1a | July 7, 2008 5:54 PM

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it kinda sounded dirty, to me.

Posted by: 231 | July 7, 2008 6:03 PM

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Seriously 1a and 231. I haven't had this good of a tear-streaming laugh since I wrote that stupid phrase about Barry's nuggets. Thanks.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. How many games have you
1.) attended -- between spring training, Nats Park and road trips, about 50
2) watched on television in the season's first half? All of them

How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? About 30 more.


TWO. If you have children.... N/A

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product
f.) the specific players on the field
b.) the opponent

The other things don't matter at all.

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

I have full season tickets, pay $50 per seat. Its comparable to similar tickets in other stadiusms (for instance, I just got back from GABP, and similar seats were around the same price). I'd rank it as a value at about an 8. It could easily be a 10 if the team were competitive -- watching them get crushed every night is tiring at this point in the season; and there is no end in sight.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

b.) The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun

c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: Ray | July 7, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

This is birdland.

BE there > WHERE 10 LOSING SEASONS HAPPEN!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I know this is random, but I've been one of those who proposed the Felipe Lopez to the Orioles for Hayden Penn. Both are in need of a change of scenery.

Penn is pitching for the Orioles AAA team Norfolk Tides on MASN right now. 3 IP, 1 H, 3 K. Would love to have him on the Nats.

Posted by: Section 111 (Formerly 223 @ RFK Stadium) | July 7, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I love how people point to Manny's "bonus check" as evidence that the Lerners aren't cheap. You know what that reminds me of? The scene in "Trading Places" where the Duke brothers give a $5 Christmas bonus to the guy at the club. "'Half of that bonus is from me.' 'Thank you, Mr. Mortimer. Maybe I'll go see a movie. By myself.'" Seriously, the stuff people are pointing to is peanuts. Give it a rest, it shows nothing.

Posted by: Lerners ARE Cheap | July 7, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

ONE: 1) Attended about 18. 2) most every other game was watched on TV. Probably all but 2. I will attend less because my plan has less games in the 2nd half, and I will start traveling during the week, which means I cannot watch every game on TV. I will try to catch each game on MLB.TV but I always seem to be in a city that doesn't allow me to watch it (the "in market" BS)

TWO: No children, thank god. But if I had them, they would have to go or else I'd give them to someone else to raise. Win, loss, whatever - they would have to go.

THREE: Assuming "on-field" product means how they are performing, and my view is that I go no matter how badly they are blowing games, then my ranking is as follows:
g other (game I was assigned in my plan comes first - other rankings are for my "extra" games)
d promotions
b opponent
c weather (hasn't stopped me yet)
e stadium (I am going no more than I did at RFK)
f specific players (nice when Zim is playing)
a on-field product (win, loss, I still go)

FOUR: b. I pay $17 per seat Rank = 9
Paying $17 for my section is a pretty good value in my opinion. I am about as high up as you can go, but my view is excellent. I have certainly paid more at other ball parks for similar seats. I was willing to pay more for the 300s, but they wouldn't give me 20 games there. Their loss.

FIVE: c - I go out of loyalty and will keep doing so. Although, when I know someone such as Webb is pitching against us (T-shirt Tuesday), I'll change my mind and not bother going. T-shirts are too big anyway.

Posted by: RT4 NATS | July 7, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Chico,
This is to add to the media comment by C'ville Nat. I think the media coverage of the Nationals is terrible - on network TV. Whatever network I watch, when the Nationals have a good or bad day, they spend about 2.5 seconds mentioning it. But someone sneezing at Redskins football camp? Well, that seems to be a big deal and gets much attention. It's insulting. I once saw more time spent on some local softball kid than on a Nats Win that day. Huh? Excuse me? Or worse, sometimes the Os coverage is longer than the Nats coverage. Last time I checked, I don't live in Baltimore. Ugh. Can you pass that along to your TV friends, please?

Posted by: RT4 NATS | July 7, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half?

20. I purchased a half season.

TWO. No Children.

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product 1
b.) the opponent 3
c.) the weather 2
d.) the promotions 6
e.) the stadium 5
f.) the specific players on the field 4 Who's pitching)


FOUR.

b.) between $11-25. I rank the value a 4 or 5. I think attendance will lag considerably next year. I plan to buy fewer tickets.

FIVE.

e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

Posted by: Ed | July 7, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"Oooh, oooh, Scooter, tell the one about getting things on your hand that you swore you never would!

Then the one about how much money you need to start saving to get just a basic college education!

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 4:42 PM"
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As it turns out, the list of things I've sworn I'd never get on my hand is refreshingly brief. And I'm not worried about saving for college -- My Precious Angel is so smart, I know she'll be rolling in scholarships!

(See, I even managed to brag about how smart my kid is! Next week, I'll be sure to tell you all about how you only think the way you think because you don't have kids yet, and when you do, all of your thoughts, beliefs, and wishes for the future will instantly align with mine. You'll understand then.)

Posted by: Scooter | July 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"Seriously, the stuff people are pointing to is peanuts. Give it a rest, it shows nothing."

The stuff people are pointing to to show that the Lerners aren't cheap is just as much peanuts as the stuff other people are pointing to to show that they are. Both sides should give it a rest. Their arguments show nothing. The jury on whether or not the Lerners are cheap will be out for several more years yet. If you have to change your handle because of that, then just do it. We'll all understand. (However, do keep in mind that gut feelings may not be used in your handle without the expressed written permission of Ray King.)

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 7, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended,- about 25, have only missed 2 when in town; also saw one game at PNC Park; 2.) watched on television in the season's first half? 15, + or -. I will go to almost every game in town when I am here because of season tickets, and will likely watch another 15 away games on the tube. I will probably also go to Phila for a game, maybe Shea.

TWO. College age son has been to one game,but has little interest in sports. He would go if friends go to hang out there.

THREE. Rank the following factors: season tickets, so all/none. If I did not have tickets the weather would dictate a lot, also the opponent.
FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? - $11- $25, rate this as a value of 8, really like the seats, great view of the capitol, and I never get tired of it. We tend to buy better, closer seats when we go to other stadiums, so hard to compare.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park: a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses. Yes, I would like the team to do better, but just having a lot of baseball nearby is worth it, we missed it for so long.

Posted by: Traveler | July 7, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Heard on WTEM today that an average televised game attracts 8000 viewers. How could that be if the average attendance is 28,000? If it is an away game that would mean that 20,000 fans who would have come to a home game are not watching an away game? There has to be a fan base of over 28,000 people.

If it is true then this is very bad news.

BTW it has nothing to do with being placed on MASN2. Any fool can find that channel.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 7, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

OldGut and C'ville Nat nailed it with their comments about Washington baseball history. We shouldn't be too hard on SF Fan, however, because he likely is too young to remember Griffith Stadium and the ten years of RFK Baseball and all the rich memories each invokes. These memories make it difficult for those of us who were there to erase that Washington Baseball history (inept as it may be with four first division finishes in thirty years - zero pennants) from our shared past. Minnesota and Texas had no MLB history and were more than willing to claim Walter Johnson and Tom Cheney as their own. The Washington Post, of course, with its hometown coverage of you know who would have many believe that Washington was never without a home team.

Posted by: Natstivity1959 | July 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Chico, excellent poll.

ONE: I've attended about 25 games. Would have attended more if I'd been in town more and the weather had been better.

TWO: No kids. If I did have kids, the record of the franchise wouldn't matter very much.

THREE: Not applicable as I'm a full-season ticket holder. If I weren't, it would be

(c) the weather
(f) the specific players on the field
(b) the opponent

But those are all nuances. I'm a Nats fan, rain (even if I listen on the radio then) or shine.

FOUR: Usually (b), between $11-25, which is where my season tix fit in. I did cough up $55 each for a pair of club seats the other weekend.

FIVE: A mixed reaction.

60% is c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
40% is e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

Posted by: Hendo | July 7, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Apologies to Old Guy, I'm in no position to make any reference to anybody's gut.

Posted by: Natstivity1959 | July 7, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Is someone tabulating results?

ONE. 1.) I've attended about half a dozen games.

2.) I've watched on television or listened on radio to about half of the games.

3. I plan to attend 2 or 3 games to which I already have tickets. There is not much chance I'll buy any more tickets. DC United, for me. A franchise that goes out of its way ot put a good product on the field.

4. I won't watch very many games in the second half. What's the point? The Nats aren't going to win very many.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise? YES

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product -- I'd go to a lot more games, if the team was decent.
b.) the opponent -- if it's the Mets, otherwise not much of a factor.
c.) the weather -- definitely a factor for gameday walk-up buys.
d.) the promotions -- I didn't even get the Zimmerman bobble head, but I came out.
e.) the stadium -- is very nice. Good sight lines; good beer; and good food, in that order.
f.) the specific players on the field -- if a certain pitcher is starting.
g.) other -- Pretty good order, and I wouldn't change it. If the date works for my calendar.

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

b.) between $11-25 or
c.) between $26-$50

Value is seriously diminished by the quality of team. For those tickets I buy in advance and pay face value, I'd put the value at about 5. When I score a good deal outside the ballpark, I'm happier -- I'd say 7 or 8.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 7, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I know this is random, but I've been one of those who proposed the Felipe Lopez to the Orioles for Hayden Penn. Both are in need of a change of scenery.

Penn is pitching for the Orioles AAA team Norfolk Tides on MASN right now. 3 IP, 1 H, 3 K. Would love to have him on the Nats.

Posted by: Section 111 (Formerly 223 @ RFK Stadium) | July 7, 2008 7:54 PM

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thanks but no thanks. Why would the O's want a cry-baby whiner who plays half-assed. They already have that in Jay Payton.

BTW, Penn is 3-4 with a 5.32 era.

Posted by: O's Exec | July 7, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse


"Give it a rest, it shows nothing."

Posted by: Lerners ARE Cheap | July 7, 2008 7:54 PM
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Oh reallllly? You don't say. Am i starting to sound a little repetitive? Like a broken record? Am I beating a dead horse?

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

NN, my last post in this thread was my first, I promise you. The fact that there might be a chorus does not make a broken record.

RKGF, I know you are intimately familiar with changing your handle. I, however, will decline as the facts speak for themselves. And NatsNut won't scare me off unlike you--I was glad to see her call you out in her interview however.

Posted by: Lerners ARE Cheap | July 7, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh reallllly? You don't say. Am i starting to sound a little repetitive? Like a broken record? Am I beating a dead horse?

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 9:16 PM

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BTW, Nut congrats on being a featured commenter. I'm still waiting for the day when the Post will profile me. I know you all are dying to read about what makes me tick.

Posted by: O's Exec | July 7, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I believe it, but if the statistics on Nats TV viewership is correct then the Nats negotiated a pretty good TV deal and Angelos is screwing himself for a change. Pity.

Posted by: NatBisquit | July 7, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready for JimBow to throw in the towel and follow the Minnesota Twins example of purging veterans and bringing up farm system players to let them get OJT to better evaluate their young talent. I'm tired of the Renr-a-Reds retreads in hopes of making this team "respectable." I would rather pay to see guys like Maxwell and Casto try to establish themselves than keep losing with the usual suspects - Meat Loaf, Belly, FLop, PLoD, etc. Give Casto real playing time at 3B while Zimmerman recuperates. There is always this talk about "The Plan," so let's see what the Nats got and where improvement is needed.

Posted by: leetee1955 | July 7, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I know, LAC. You've been quite tame and pleasant, actually. In fact, I love that you post about other things, but your moniker still gets the dig in there.

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. 1) 1 2) 0; I live in Chicago. Probably not making it out to a game during the Cubs series.

TWO. My daughter's interest in the NAtionals is negative - she isn't even a year old and is much happier when I'm making fart noises or playing patty cake than watching a baseball game on the computer.

THREE.

g.) other (please list) - Date. If I'm in DC during baseball season, I go to a game.
b.) the opponent - If i have to decide btw two games, the opponent is a factor

everything else is pretty irrelevant. I suppose I wouldn't go on Faith Night so I'll put promotions at the bottom.

a.) the on-field product
c.) the weather
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
d.) the promotions

FOUR.
b.) between $11-25 - 7 on the scale. It's a good deal, not realy more expensive than anywhere else and the stadium is 1000 times better than the new Comiskey.

FIVE.
a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

Also, re: media coverage: Give it a rest. I would trade the Post's sports page for the Trib's and the Sun-Times in a second. Cry me a river, at least you have writers that aren't edited down to grammar-school level junk. Maybe after the Tribune finally sells the Cubs their writers won't be required to diss Soriano every week.

Posted by: mrm0to | July 7, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

ONE. I have attended 8 and will probably go to 8 more. Usually have the TV on when the Nats are playing.

TWO. 3 boys who love baseball. They find the team hard to watch and having watching less. My eldest has reverted to his Red Sox.

THREE.
a.) the on-field product - 1
b.) the opponent - 2
c.) the weather - 6
d.) the promotions - 5
e.) the stadium - 4
f.) the specific players on the field -3

FOUR. Seats in my season ticket plan are $20 in the 300's. Good seats with a value of 8. Hard to compare given current sad state of team.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending

c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it


P.S. - If I am not mistaken - the stories on not paying for Fedex and other small time cost cutting came from Ken Rosenthal on Fox Sports. Presumably he had some backup for these reports.

Posted by: Count Demoney | July 7, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the cheap Lerners argument has been rather interesting today. It seems like people were asking each other genuine questions instead of just zinging and I kinda appreciated hearing some other points of view on it.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | July 7, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

My answers, in some cases without the additional requested reasoning behind them:

1. # games attended: husband & I have half-season ticket plan & thus far have attended all but a few of the games in our plan, have watched the majority of the other games on TV; the remainder of the season will probably be the same #s

2. no kids here

3. Factors in determining which games to attend: N/A due to season tix plan. We've attended only a couple of games not on our plan, determined by opposing team (our hometown Reds), new players (i.e., MLB debut of minor leaguers), or kind-of-neat promotional items (a T-shirt is NOT a compelling item)

4. price range of tix: season tix were $21/seat for Section 319. As half-season package holders we were VERY disappointed that looking out over 1st base was the best seats offered to us; at RFK we had tix behind home plate. Value is just OK. We tend to bring our own food (such as sandwiches from Subway) slightly more often than buying food at the park. Video games, Build-a-Bear, tot playgrounds, etc don't affect or interest us (FYI, many other ballparks are beginning to bring in these same "perks" -- saw many of them last week at Cincy's Great American Ball Park)

5. We are baseball fans & truly enjoy going to baseball games ... love the Nats & go out of loyalty but in all honesty don't know how long I can take a team that loses sooooo many games by being completely out-played. We are considering dropping from a 40-game to a 20-game plan, and possibly upgrading our seats in that process (by paying a higher price for fewer seats, we may spend about the same amount of ticket money).

Posted by: M. Carroll, Springfield | July 7, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Mr. Gut is 419 + 1. Mr. Gut actually talks about baseball and doesn't take things personally.

(just kidding 419)

Posted by: NatsNut | July 7, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"If I am not mistaken - the stories on not paying for Fedex and other small time cost cutting came from Ken Rosenthal on Fox Sports. Presumably he had some backup for these reports."

Like all the imminent trades he reports that never take place? Presumably if he had backup he'd cite it, and if these were viable stories someone else would be picking them up. Hasn't happened.

Posted by: Ray King's Gut Feeling | July 7, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thanks but no thanks. Why would the O's want a cry-baby whiner who plays half-assed. They already have that in Jay Payton.

BTW, Penn is 3-4 with a 5.32 era.

Posted by: O's Exec | July 7, 2008 9:16 PM

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ummm because the orioles are looking for a shortstop and it's been reported in at least three different publications (and they don't credit each other) that the o's are hot after lopez.

and if i'm not mistaken penn just pitched tonight 5 innings of 5 hit, one run with 5 k's and getting the win. i know he went on the dl and the start after he got shelled, but ever since has been darn good.

Posted by: Section 111 (Formerly 223 @ RFK Stadium) | July 7, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, 9 -- seen 4 walk-off wins!
or 2.) watched on television - 1, the 1st home win over the O's 'cos it was on channel 20 - dont have cable, won't watch masn as long as angelos owns it, if masn deal ever dies and nats have own network, I'll buy and watch every game I don't attend.

I love that we have 2 of the 3 lowest markets - MASN can't possibly make money in this situation. It also shows how well Angelos retained his O's fans by suppressing DC tv in 2005-06. He has maintained his NoVa market share, at least on tv - only way Nats cut into that is to win. Hopefully, MASN goes bankrupt soon!

How many games do you plan to attend - 5 and watch - only those on 20 in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain. Drop is that my baseball budget is shot and I want to see the Nats A and AA teams.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? - all kids love it, especially one.
Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise? Nope - they love the Nats, record be damned, we don't watch tv, certainly not MASN

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product - 1
b.) the opponent - 5
c.) the weather - 6
d.) the promotions - 4
e.) the stadium - 2
f.) the specific players on the field - 3
g.) other (please list)

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? $10 - 20.

Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. -- the value of the Sect 400's and $10 seats is the best in baseball other than maybe Pgh. Pgh's park is nicer.

How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to? -- Ticket value is great, food and drink prices are high, but quality is best of any stadium I've ever visited.

a.) between $5-10
b.) between $11-25 -- food
c.) between $26-$50 -- tix
d.) between $51-100
e.) more than $101

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
A bad day at a ballpark is better than a good day almost anywhere else!!

Posted by: steve | July 7, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

1) Attended 15 w/Spring Training, Opening Night. Watched only Minnesota and Seattle games on TV (because I wanted to see Mauer, Morneau and Suzuki). Listened to other games on radio (Charlie and Dave rock!)
Probably will attend about the same for second half.

2)No kids

3)Factors in which games I attend -- what's in my 20 game package, try to attend one game in each home series, promotions are sometimes a factor


4)Generally in $20 range. Value about 7 for upper infield gallery.

5)A bad day at the ballpark is better than a good day almost anywhere else.


Posted by: 422 | July 7, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Great idea, Chico, this week's worth of polls and consumer input.

I hope the Nationals' management either takes a look or does something similar sometime.

Posted by: samantha7 | July 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

As a GHF guy, I haven't had much to say lately. Dukes is the latest injury to this insult of a season. It would be one thing if most of our MLB roster went on the DL and opened up opportunities for minor-league talent. But when we're already playing minor-league talent in the majors (Dukes, Milledge) and then those guys, plus some of the minor-league talent we have, ALSO goes down (Maxwell, Marrero), well, it's time to follow the P-Nats, which my daughters and I did on Saturday (antidote to rain-during-local-fireworks on Friday).

That said, I'm a silver lining guy. I can't help it. I'm hoping WMP somehow puts together a credible second half. Same for AK. Balester is up, good. Lannan looks great. Bergie has been solid. OP and Redding, can we get something at the deadline? Does Baltimore really want Flippie? An A-level prospect would do the trick. On Guzzie, congrats on the deserved All-Star appearance. But re-signing him now would be a mistake. Wait.

Finally, my responses:

1. Attended 12. Will attend about 10 more. Watched and/or listened to at least part of most games. I'm a fan of the game as well as the team. I get frustrated by the team, but I'm still attending the show, and glad to have the circus in town.

2. Two daughters, 4 and 7. They are more interested in the players than the team results, although they want their favorite players to do well and the team to win. All in all, they are good fans of The Plan. Not that I had anything to do with that ....

3. Gotta be (g) (other). It's the game, not the team or the opponent. That said, the team has to show improvement. This season has been a total wash due to injuries. But the second half could still be promising. All we have so far is Lannan and Flores. But maybe we have Balester. And ZimmermaNN. And maybe Zinicola, others. Bring on the parade. (And on Bernadina, so far, don't see it. Next?)

4. My season tix are $10 (half share of half-season plan), Upper RF Terrace. Good value for the money, easy to bring kids. I buy better tickets on occasion, and use corporate seats on others. We all know the most expensive seats are too expensive, and that some other seats are mis-priced, but there are thousands and thousands of reasonably priced seats to be had virtually every game. This issue will sort itself out, and it's not that bad now (except on television).

5. Ummm, all of the above?

I'll be there Tuesday, continuing to look for positive developments and hoping for a miracle, or at least, a memory.

Posted by: Bob L. Head | July 8, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half? How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain.

1. I have attended 15 games, including one in Baltimore. I will probably go to about a dozen more (I have a 20-game plan).

2. I have watched virtually all the games on TV (which I guess makes me one of a lonely few), and will probably watch most of them the rest of the way. I like Don Sutton a lot and Bob Carpenter's okay, but his midwestern sunniness often gets on my nerves. Lord, I wish we had Harry Kalas in this town.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball? Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?

No children.

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
c.) the weather
d.) the promotions
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
g.) other (please list)

c, e, d, a, b, f

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

a.) between $5-10
b.) between $11-25
c.) between $26-$50
d.) between $51-100
e.) more than $101

b, although occasionally a and c. For a, the value is 8; b, the value is 7; c, the value is 6.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
b.) The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it
d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take
e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

d -- I don't think Bowden can build a successful major league team; the Nationals' inept in-park promotion often insults my intelligence (Clint, "Sweet Caroline," etc.); will we have to endure a Tampa-like decade of woefulness, stockpiling top draft picks, before the promised land comes? The Lerners need to make some major changes with this organization, both in on-field product and in marketing.

Posted by: Vincent | July 8, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

FWIW, I'll give answers for an out-of-town fan (I know, not very useful for your purposes, but I spend far too much time reading this journal so you'll have to indulge me). I live in California now, but I used to have a 20 game package when I lived in DC (for those 3 glorious seasons at RFK...). Unfortunately, I am hopelessly devoted to this team and continue to follow it from 2800 miles away, no matter how bad it gets.

1. attended, 0; watched on television: 4 (although I have watched probably 30 or so gamecasts on the Nationals website);
plan to attend: 2 or 3 (depending on if I can take the afternoon off from my job). If I still lived in DC, I would have bought a 20 game package and probably attended a few more games on top of that. So, 1st half numbers probably would be about 10-12 games. Also, when in DC I watched parts of, or the entirety of probably 60 or so games for the year.
2. No kids.
3. G- number of times Nats visit city where I now live. If still in DC, it would go like this:
f.) the specific players on the field
a.) the on-field product
b.) the opponent
c.) the weather
e.) the stadium
d.) the promotions

4. N/A

5. c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Posted by: John | July 8, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

ONE: I have attended one game thus far and watched nearly every other game on MASN. I will continue to watch every game I can in the second half, but will also try to attend more with the hopes I will be able to get cheaper tickets due to the poor performance.

TWO: No children

THREE: F, B, A, G (traffic), E, D, C [most important -> least important]

FOUR: 3 (for everything under $35) vs. 1 (for everything over $35), the stadium is great and all, but the team is not playing well, most of our best players have yet to see the major leagues, and we are still paying 4th or 5th highest ticket prices in the league. Give me a break Lerners, RFK was much better value.

FIVE: option C

Posted by: Nats703 | July 8, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half? How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half? If there is a rise or drop, explain.

Hmm. I'm a 20 game plan holder but don't go to all the games.

1. I've attended 7. 8 if you count going to Baltimore to see the NATS vs O's there.
2. I've watched bits and pieces of many a game on TV but I don't think any all the way through.

2nd Half - I have 4 more in my plan but could go to more depending on friends if friends want to go.

TWO. If you have children in your family. Not applicable

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the opponent
b.) the weather
c.) the promotions
d.) other (please list)
1. Friends schedules
e.) the stadium
f.) the specific players on the field
g.) the on-field product


FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

b.) between $11-25

I'd score it a 7 on value. Of course the things I realize about my location after I finally sit there is my problem. Like you can't see the outfielder in that section catch the foul balls or if balls go over the fence in that corner. Also, the Sun is right on you there!

My season tickets are in 226, but I'm learning this year, I really rather be in Infield Gallery. I guess the prices are comparible to Camden Yards in the Infield Gallery Section. I haven't priced Camden Yards lately (the only other stadium that I used to go to). I wish the odd numbered ones below 226 weren't so expensive. I think they go up to about $40 per ticket just one level down!

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses
c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

I'm a combination of a and c. I used to be a Senators fan in 69. Therefore I what its like to root for a team that loses. However, I'm no longer looking at the game thru a child's eyes. So to see so many injuries, and kids brought up before they are truly ready, is painful but I still like going.

I also have 2 comments about the stadium itself. Why are certain elevators dedicated to certain floors? Also Escalators should go up and down in both directions in the same place! As a season ticket holder in 226 and wanting to visit friends in INFIELD GALLERY. Its difficult to find paths to go there. Every elevator and Escalator should go to all floors!

2nd Comment - More Picnic Tables near Centerfield concessions other than outside the kid's area!

Posted by: CALSGR8 | July 8, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

John-

I'll be out to LA for the Nats-Dodgers series in a couple weeks. Looking forward to seeing two of those games.

Posted by: Section 111 (Formerly 223 @ RFK Stadium) | July 8, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

ONE: Been to 12 games. Watched or listened to good chunks of 60. I plan to do the same in the second half.

TWO: I have two young daughters (8 & 6.) The older one loves baseball and will go to a game with me and want to stay the whole 9 innings. The younger one wants to know before we get to the park whether we can leave early. Neither's nterest correlates to the Nats success

THREE: a, b, d, e, c, f

FOUR: $45 (full season tickets)
On a scale of 1-10, the value is 4. The seats are cool, right on the right field line, but there is absolutely no reason to be a season ticket holder. I can barely get 50 cents on the dollar reselling on stub hub and there are better seats for less money. I think the tickets are overpriced for the value.

FIVE. A. Baseball is always good. But I won't be renewing my full season tickets and may not even get a smaller plan. Why do that when you can almost always get a seat.

Posted by: Steve | July 8, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

After reading the article on the television ratings for the Nats I have to wonder. So we have a fan base that will go to the games that is over 3 times larger than will see them on television? And the Orioles have twice the viewing audience in DC than the Nats?

I think that this team has to do a lot in the off season to start winning over the locals, to try to create real fans of the team. For one thing stop tying this team to the Expos. Yeah, I am an old timer who remembers the Senators and it grates me to see the media linking statistics to the Expos. Do you think that that adds fan loyalty? Not for me.

This area will follow a team, all we have to to is look over our shoulder at the Redskins. Do you think that when the Redskins moved to Washington in 1933 that the owner touted their Boston links?

I guess that true fandom starts at childhood and becomes a part of growing up. In the 60's I listened to the Senators on a transistor radio that was snuck into my bedroom. The Senators of that era were horrible as a team but they were unambiguously MY team. Such were the undiluted pleasures of attention back then. Perhaps it will take 15 years or so until the Nats have a true fanbase. Until then we struggle with a bifurcated network and media that has such a hard time focusing on our only baseball team in DC.

Posted by: Dale | July 8, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't going to participate in the poll because my softball schedule (10-14 weekday games and out-of-town tournaments every other weekend ), work, and family obligations have kept me away from the stadium so far this year, but the dead tree addition covered the low rattings on MASN, and I'd like to comment on that.

The games are a generally poor product covered in a pedestrian manner wtih no depth of committment.

Poor product - it's not the wins and losses that bother me, heck in baseball no matter how bad you are you're going to win a third of your games and thus be "good" two or three times a week, but it's seeing a poorly prepared team with no evident accountability for stupid or lazy plays. I can watch WMP, he's just ineffective, but PLOD's daydreaming lazy wanderings in all aspects of the game drive me away. It's too easy to switch channels if I am more committed than the players and coaches, although the 3b coach can keep me on the edge of my seat awaiting his first blunder of the game.
Pedestrian coverage - How could the TV coverage be worse? I have the Direct TV package so I can watch well presented baseball. For goodness sakes at least broadcast in High Def. Unlike many here, I don't mind Bob and I enjoy Don most of the time but the technical quality of coverage is terrible. When competence is just a click away, I can only tolerate it so long. If the team were great it wouldn't matter, I'd struggle through the obstacles, but is not great.
No depth of committment - If the crux of the effort by the Nats this year is going to be the "Plan", for gosh's sakes COVER IT. Take us "down on the farm", show us the prospects, evaluate the draft choices, follow the signings. I appreciate the minor league telecasts, show us more. 24 hours is available on each MASN station, use at least half of that to cover the Nats and their farm. For a good approach, see the dedication displayed by Brian on NFA.

Let's paly two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | July 8, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Know this is off topic, but has Dukes been placed on the DL, and, was someone brought up? I can't seem to find anything on this.

Posted by: TimDz | July 8, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Know this is off topic, but has Dukes been placed on the DL, and, was someone brought up? I can't seem to find anything on this.

Posted by: TimDz | July 8, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

New post.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Casto was brought up. But not until AFTER Sunday's game which left the team with 24 players for the last game against Cinncinati.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 8, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

One: Attended 10, plan to attend 8-10. I have DirecTV MLB package. I usually switch back and forth between the Red Sox and Nats game every night, although I spend most of the time watching the Sox since the Nats are usually getting blown out.
Two: I have a 3 year old, but he loves coming to the games for the atmosphere. Fortunately, he is not yet old enough to realize he is watching garbage.
Three: Doesn't really apply since I split season's tickets and am locked into the games I attend.
Four: D Our season's ticket is on the Club Level front row, so I consider it a bargain at $55. I can't really complain, but this is based solely on the fact we lucked out in getting relocated to such great seats. The quality of service at the food vendors has improved dramatically since the beginning of the season. You can find food "bargains" if you shop around the various vendors, eg Five Guys.
Five: C. Given the fact that I waited most of my adult life to get a team in DC, and my great seat location, I will suffer in purgatory for as long as it takes for us to be competitive.

Posted by: Can't complain | July 8, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

ONE
1) 7
2)10
I plan to attend less in the second half. This team is nearly unwatchable.

TWO
I do have children but they're too young (a 2 yr old and a 2 mo old)

THREE
a.) the on-field product
f.) the specific players on the field
b.) the opponent
c.) the weather
e.) the stadium
d.) the promotions

FOUR
b.) between $11-25
I'd rank at 2 just because of the stadium novelty. The product on the field is a 1.

FIVE
b.) The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun

Posted by: STH Section 409 Row H | July 8, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

ONE. 1) ~15, 2) ~10 3) I plan to attend fewer games and watch fewer games. This team stinks and I do not plan to renew my season tickets. Instead, I will spend my money watching the Caps compete for a Stanley Cup and the Wizards go for a better playoff showing.

TWO. No children.

THREE. I currently have season tickets. But if I was purchasing individual game tickets:

1) the on-field product
2) the specific players on the field
3) the weather
4) the opponent
5) the stadium
6) the promotions

FOUR. $50 per ticket. The value of that purchase is currently around a 2. While the stadium is beautiful, the team stinks and the location is not close enough to my home or office to qualify as convenient. The value at nats Park is worse than other venues, simply because the team stinks.

FIVE. The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun.


Posted by: Section 116 | July 8, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I'll bite.

ONE:
2 games in person. 3 games on TV. I do not plan on attending any further Nats games.
TWO: No children in my family.
THREE:
1. a. The On Field Product
2. f. The Specific player on the field
3. b. The opponent
4. e. the stadium
5. d. the Promotion
6. c. The weather
FOUR:
Both of the games that I have attended this year were as a result of being given free tickets by a member of the Nationals' sales staff.
FIVE:
My answer would be:
D. I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take. God I hate that stadium. Can we move them back to RFK?

Posted by: FS | July 8, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

ONE:
2 games in person: TV - about 65. Plan on attending 5 or more (weather, job issues) and watching about the same amount, which is as often as I possibly can.

TWO: N/A

THREE: g(my own schedule);c e a b f d

FOUR: a & b: The value compared with other parks of the "a" tickets is a 10. The value compared with other parks of the "b" tickets is a 7.

FIVE: c. Though I wish I didn't have to keep reminding myself of how bad it was without a team at all.


Posted by: GP | July 8, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

ONE. first half attended: 10, watched on television: about the same. plan to attend and watch in the second half: the same.

TWO. children are grown; interest doesn't correlate with the success of the franchise. It's not minimal, but it's close.

THREE.

a.) the on-field product
b.) the specific players on the field
c.) the weather
d.) the stadium
e.) the opponent
f.) other (please list)
g.) the promotions

FOUR. I got $17 seats on the miniplan. I'd rank that purchase an eight. It's major league baseball. It will be a nine when they start winning, a ten when they contend. Fenway Park is a ten. Shea is a seven. Yankee Stadium is a two (you have to watch the Yankees there).


FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

Posted by: Northeast Miniplanner | July 8, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Get out, all you damn Ivy League Red Sox fans -- leave the government and get some cushy job at Harvard or MIT. We D.C.-area people are sick of you!

Posted by: Vincent | July 8, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended-12, or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half-50?

How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half-10, 20? If there is a rise or drop, explain.

Will attend more, because there are some good teams in down the stretch. Having trouble watching many more. Never missed a game first three seasons whether in person or on TV.

But, this team is awful, and Stan Kasten's organization is a disgrace. It's the most poorly run organization imaginable. Other organizations coddle their Season Ticket Holders-- the Nats repel them. I've been Field/Dugout MVP since the start and they have done nothing for me in the last year and a half, unless you call a pitiful "fanfest" where they let you in an hour early last September a special treat.
Kasten should be canned-- NOW.

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball?

2 Young kids-- fireworks and general noise level is too loud-- tried twice and didn't make it out of the second inning either time.


THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product -1
b.) the opponent-2
c.) the weather-6
d.) the promotions-4
e.) the stadium -3
f.) the specific players on the field -5
g.) other (please list) -- time of the game-- made every midweek day game first three years-- they don't have any this year.

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket?
d) $60 Value- 1-- can't resell tickets for more than 60% of face and they're ten rows back middle of dugout. You can go on Craigs List and get half price tickets-- ALWAYS.

How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to? Not awful, but not good.
FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take

It's not worth being a STH. They're gonna be leaving in droves, because you can't give the darn things away if you can't go to a game.

Posted by: pennquaker | July 8, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

1 -- Games attended/watched during 1st half: 50. 2nd half expectations: 40. Reason: lack of competitiveness.

2 -- Interest level of children? My 14 year-old has been a huge Nats fan, and is the reason why we're season ticket holders. He and I have attended 30 or more games each year since Season One. But his interest has declined this year with the lack of competitiveness on the field. If the Nats keep this up another year or two, he might be lost as a fan for good. Message to Stan: The Plan doesn't work for young fans. That's my #1 concern right now.

3 -- Why purchase tickets? We're season ticket holders, so we have tickets to them all. In terms of renewing for next year, on-the-field product will be the most important because it will determine my son's interest level.

4 -- How much do we spend on an invidual ticket? Our plan is $20/ticket for 2 Infield Gallery seats. Value: 5 (out of 10). This is a worse value than the $20 tickets we had at RFK (Section 417). New seats are higher up, less comfortable, with poorer site lines (due to steepness of the stadium).

5 -- Why attend a game? d) I wonder how much more I can take.

Posted by: Ashburn | July 8, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

1 -- Games attended/watched during 1st half: 50. 2nd half expectations: 40. Reason: lack of competitiveness.

2 -- Interest level of children? My 14 year-old has been a huge Nats fan, and is the reason why we're season ticket holders. He and I have attended 30 or more games each year since Season One. But his interest has declined this year with the lack of competitiveness on the field. If the Nats keep this up another year or two, he might be lost as a fan for good. Message to Stan: The Plan doesn't work for young fans. That's my #1 concern right now.

3 -- Why purchase tickets? We're season ticket holders, so we have tickets to them all. In terms of renewing for next year, on-the-field product will be the most important because it will determine my son's interest level.

4 -- How much do we spend on an invidual ticket? Our plan is $20/ticket for 2 Infield Gallery seats. Value: 5 (out of 10). This is a worse value than the $20 tickets we had at RFK (Section 417). New seats are higher up, less comfortable, with poorer site lines (due to steepness of the stadium).

5 -- Why attend a game? d) I wonder how much more I can take.

Posted by: Ashburn | July 8, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. attended: 4 or 2.) watched? about ten.
I'll probably go to and watch about same number in the second half.

TWO. No kids.

THREE.
1. the opponent
2. the weather

the stadium (it was number one for the first game, but now that Nationals Park is a known entitiy it's not really an important factor unless I am comparing my desire to go to games at the Nationals Park v. what I would have done if they still played at RFK. If so it's number 1.

Another note, awful weather will become the most important factor if it would be unbearable to watch the game in person (excessive heat, rain storms, etc.)

FOUR.
When they play the Giants I will see at least one game with good seats (at least $50). I don't see a point in buying relatively expensive seats for relatively crappy seats. For all other games I'll buy the cheap seats ($5 or $10).

The value relative other parks is pretty dismal -- most teams waited until they actually were good before increasing the ticket prices.

FIVE.
1. It's baseball. It's always good.

I'd be interested in what actual Nats fans say about this one. It's a growing fanbase, but any "fan" who would say c or d...well there's the reason DC has lost two baseball teams to other cities.

Posted by: NOVA Giants Fan | July 8, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I meant d or e

c is of course the "correct" answer for a Nats fan (or really a Giants fan this year).

Posted by: NOVA Giants Fan | July 8, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Tickets and Business:

ONE. How many games have you 1.) attended,

11 so far

or 2.) watched on television in the season's first half?

half the remainder?

How many games do you plan to attend and watch in the second half?

Another 6 or so

If there is a rise or drop, explain.

more tickets in first half, new stadium

TWO. If you have children in your family, what is their interest level in baseball?

Marginal

Does their interest in going to games -- or watching them on television -- correlate with the success of the franchise?

Probably


THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product

low

b.) the opponent

high

c.) the weather

highest -- i wont go in April

d.) the promotions

nil

e.) the stadium

yeah!

f.) the specific players on the field

low

g.) other (please list)

n/a

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket?

$20-60

Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

good tickets are fair, though product could be better

a.) between $5-10
b.) between $11-25
c.) between $26-$50
d.) between $51-100
e.) more than $101

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses

Yes.

b.) The stadium's honeymoon is over. The team needs to win before it's fun

No

c.) I go out of loyalty, it hurts to watch, but I'll keep doing it

Somewhat

d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take

No, but the injuries are getting tiresome, espec after the Wiz season with the same crippling injuries

e.) I'll suffer through this season; next year, they need to win

No

Posted by: OutsideTheLaw | July 8, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

ONE. I have attended 20 games. I have watched parts of approximately 20 others. I will attend 9 or 10 games. The drop is only because it is easier to sell my season tickets for July/August games than for April/May games.

TWO. no children

THREE. Rank the following factors, in importance, as they determine your decision to purchase tickets for a game:

a.) the on-field product N/A
b.) the opponent-2
c.) the weather N/A
d.) the promotions-3
e.) the stadium N/A
f.) the specific players on the field N/A
g.) other - I bought season tickets so am locked in for the season. I selected which games I would keep vs. sell based on the schedule (I enjoy Sunday games, tend to avoid Friday and Saturday games), the opponent and the promotions in that order.

FOUR. If and when you attend games at Nationals Park, how much do you spend on an individual ticket? Rank, on a scale of 1-to-10 (ten being the best) the value of that purchase. If you want, please explain. How does the value for a consumer at Nationals Park compare with value at other stadiums you've been to?

c.) between $26-$50 - 10-I am happy with my seats in the first base club section.

FIVE. Which of the following statements best reflects your viewpoint on attending a baseball game at Nationals Park

d.) I go out of loyalty, but I wonder how much more I can take

Posted by: avm221 | July 9, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

ONE: I've watched just about every game this year except for those played on the west coast. I normally go to bed when those are starting. Plan to continue this through the remainder of the season. Even go to a couple. Just like last year.
TWO: Adult child (who's become a hockey fanatic, go figure). I took him to Keys, Cannons, and Orioles games when he was younger and a good time was had by all.
THREE:
g) what my schedule is, surprisingly (?) a game is like a concert, play, or opera for me and I'm not just popping over to DC anymore
a) the on-field product
f) the specific players on the field (isn't this a and or b?)
e) the stadium
b) the opponent
c) the weather (tho I usually purchase weeks in advance ...)
d) the promotions
FOUR: d or c, usually d. I prefer minor league parks as I get better value, but every now and then you gotta go see the show
FIVE: a.) It's baseball. It's always good, even when the home team loses -- but its always better if they're competitive, and much better if they win


Posted by: weeble | July 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

1) Attended roughly 10. Watched roughly 6. Listened on radio to roughly 3.

2) My son comes to the games with us, but he's too young to follow the game.

3) b, c, d, f, a, e

4) b - I'd rate the ticket value as an 8, but the overall value at the stadium as a 3. Concessions are way overpriced.

5) a

Posted by: Section 319, Late of 426 | July 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

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