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A few final notes from Nats Park

* The losing streak is now at seven games. This is the third losing streak of six games or longer since July.

* Jesus Flores, who missed tonight's game with a stomach virus, received an IV and should be ready for tomorrow.

* Cristian Guzman, another late scratch from the lineup, won't be. He's going to miss a couple of days, Manager Manny Acta said. So maybe Ronnie Belliard will keep playing shortstop. Then again, maybe not.

Perhaps you've heard the rumors that Belliard has been claimed by the Los Angeles Dodgers on waivers, the first step in a possible trade. If indeed this has all gone down, the teams now have a 48-hours window in which to work out a trade. So far, though, I simply haven't found a solid primary source to verify that this is absolutely in the works. Some folks I've talked to in LA have heard the same whispers, but nothing finite.

I'm really sorry I couldn't come up with some better answers for you tonight, folks. Really sorry. But I'll resume the search on this tomorrow morning.

By Chico Harlan  |  August 14, 2008; 11:46 PM ET
 
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get it together chico we want that scoop! call up torre get the full story. im sure you have his cell number. also ask him about manny's hair, im thinking high top fade. maybe thats why belli is on his way, now that mannys dreads are gone, they need replacements. dodgers always have a deep org, anything we get from them should be solid. get it done jimmybo. and dont sign crow too much for that doucherocket. next years draft will be 5 times deeper. i think a lot of the critics here have started ignoring baseball and common sense and are just jumping on any news as a reason to be pissed about something. heres a tip, read the news...let it set for an hour, then post. studies say people who describe themselves as politically involved react to political news with only the emotional side of their brain...im beginning to think some of you nats fan are catching that disorder.

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I would be stunned if a deal is made with LAD for Belliard. McCourt has $ issues and LAD only traded for Blake & Ramirez because CLE & BOS agreed to pick up the remainder of their salaries.

I can imagine the response Logan White would receive after asking Bowden to pick up the balance of the 2008 deal plus all of the 2009 deal...giggling on the other end of the line.

Personally, I would just let LAD have Belliard. Use the $2 mil+ savings from the 2008 remainder/2009 salaries on draft picks, international signings, baseball helmets for the sundaes and a fan baseball glove promotion so all the clowns in the club seats can finally catch a foul ball.

Posted by: Los Doce Ocho | August 15, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Los Doce Ocho, it's a different budget.

My letter for the Nationals:

Listen Nationals, if you wasted this pick on purpose you are in fact a terrible organization down to the core. I assume you didn't, so pay up or stop preaching your plan. You knew what the guy wanted going into this so don't act surprised. If you want to stick to slot you should have taken someone like Anthony Hewitt or Aaron Hicks. Put up or shut up.

I'm not saying give him $10 million either...just don't make a stink about $4 or $5 million and expect fans to feel sympathy for you.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

giving crow 4 or 5 mil would be over paying in outrageous fashion, to put it bluntly, he simply isnt worth it. save the money and use it to sign 2 waaaay better players next draft. anyone who thinks aaron crow could save the organization with 4 mil is shrooming big time. and its not like i feel sympathy for the nats its a tough situation and not signing is the best move and thats all they can do, so bravo let him play in fort worth, enjoy that and your 5th round money next year doucherocketeer.

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

A few million is not over paying for your first round pick. None of these guys are being overpaid...well they are, compared to other professions (teachers, policemen, etc.), but hear me out...this is like the stock market. You pony up the $$$ for an investment and you could wind up on top. As billionaires the Lerner's should be willing to make this investment. Don't expect a big return if you aren't willing to pay the price.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Hi, Andrew - they should pay all teachers and police who can throw 97 mph w/command a few million. If they can hit like A-Rod, they should pay them like A-Rod.

Posted by: flynnie | August 15, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

i've seen crow pitch, 5 mil is outrageous, 3 mil would be absolute max to pay him. he is NOT that good and the nats have signed the other 9 of the top 10. not signing him for more than 3 mil is the right decision, these guys think they deserve 5 mil for a good college season?? ridiculous! plus a major league contract? are you high??? even zim didnt get a major league contract and he could be the best 3b over the next 10 years. this dude crow is seriously out of touch with what he is actually worth and how good he is. let him go, he will regret it and we will be better off with two top 20ish picks in next years mariana trench deep draft.

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

shocking headline for andy....third place yanks admit money doesnt buy success. be smart nats front office, not impulsive and desperate like some would wish upon you.

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Love, did you become a professional talent evaluator recently and what makes you draw the line between 3 and 5 million. Does something stand out that much? The Nationals watched EVERY single one of his starts and drafted him (and knew what his bonus demands would be). Don't you think there is a reason why? What is so bad about a Major League Deal? I think these guys deserve to be signed when drafted and not low balled. Crow has an elite arm, so he wouldn't being paid for one good season. He would be being paid for when he makes the major league minimum as a staff ace.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

a. if he were that talented he would have been drafted out of HS, there is a reason he wasnt, and then dropped to 9 in this draft
b. he put together a few great starts in college against modest talent and became the flavor of the month
c. no pitcher or player deserves a major league contract out of the draft it takes at least 6 months to learn the game with a wood bat
d. crow has hoooooorrible mechanics and will probably blow out his arm before he reaches the big leagues
e. the difference between 3 mil and 5 mil is 2 mil and thats a crap ton of money. just for reference 2 million dollars is roughly 4 zims, 4 bergmans, 4 jesus flores, 4 lastings milledges, well over 4 elijah dukesesss. 2 mil can do a lot for a building program

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Why were the Yankees of the late 90s so succesful? They signed their players and they got to the major leagues and became succesful. What a novel idea!

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Love, every single scout I have talked to who has seen Crow pitch in person is not worried about Crow's future with his arm. In fact, they are more concerned that Steven Strasburg (!) opens up too early and mechanics are reminiscant of Rich Harden. If Crow can throw strikes he will be in business. I would say Crow is familar with wooden bats...he was rated the Top Prospect in the Cape Cod Summer League last summer.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

they signed the RIGHT players, now they get giambi damon abreu etc etc on the back end of their careers and have gone totally astray with scouting and minor leaguers. just look at the results this year, all their young pitchers save for one, who is injured, have been horrible. having deep pockets is no substitute for being smart.

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

The Yankees' minor league system is better than the Nationals'.

They have two injured young pitchers. At the trade deadline teams wanted to trade for an injured Phil Hughes.

Having deep pockets will make it so you can sign all of your players. The Yankees probably are not going to sign their first rounder this year because he had a change of heart. Looks like the Nationals had a change of heart here...they knew his demands were high...they drafted him. Now the two sides haven't talked in 3 days.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

scouts do not care about potential arm problems. keith law pointed out draft day that crow has a wrist hook that could cause major control problems. but thats not even the biggest problem. crow has a classic inverted L arm pattern, that is the elbow is at shoulder level during delivery and the forearm points down forming an upside down L. most players who have elbow, rotator cuff and labrum problems have an inverted L in their delivery. this has been a consistent predictor of arm problems.

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

and when I said they signed their players I meant minor leaguers. Giambi, Damon were free agents. You CAN be a good team and still have a good draft.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Love, Crow has impeccable control. Look at all of his numbers. Why wouldn't scouts care about arm problems? They want their teams to make a bad investment?

If the Nationals' wanted to tweak something about Crow's delivery they are free to do so as soon as he is under contract.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 2:58 AM | Report abuse

the nats strategy is the same with draft picks as it is with major leaguers, only sign when its worth it. crow isnt worth 5 mil and a major league contract. big bucks doesnt equal big success, as evidence by 2 of the 6 division leaders in the bottom 10 of league payroll, one of them leading the yanks and sox who combine for like 3 billion dollars in payroll.

crow is not a 5 mil dollar man, i would have no problem with signing him for 2.5 mil. but he is not a frontline starter and is not worth 5 mil and a major league contract when the nats have prospects who will be ready next year and deserve a shot wwaaay more than a college pitcher who acts like a douchepillow. no team can afford to spend 5 mil a year on 1st rounders nor should they have to

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 3:04 AM | Report abuse

and the nats had a great draft and signed every top 10 pick except crow

Posted by: love | August 15, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey, everybody, it's the love and Andrew show!

Posted by: Yay! | August 15, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

I posted this on NFA and slightly edited it.

I object slightly to what I’m reading. I’d like to see Crow signed, but I also want to see Ramirez and the rest of the top 20 plus #32 signed regardless of whether Crow signs. I’m not buying into some over arching budgetary constraints. This is the plan. Build from the bottom up. Build the scouting capability - done that. Draft good players - done that. Sign the good players we drafted - incomplete. If we have to offer Ramirez second round money - do it. If we have to offer Silverstein low 1st round money - do it. If we have to offer Coleman 2nd round money - do it. If we are going to improve in this meritocracy called MLB we have to do significantly better than anyone else in player acquisition because right now we are the worst team in MLB. We should take all those actions whether or not Crow signs, but, yea, we better sign Crow also. I don’t care if it is above Matusz. I don’t care if it is Posey-like. That is how the Plan must be executed. We could do this for less than Meat and LaDuca combined. In MLB terms this is the cheapest way to excell. Don't claim the money comes from two different pots.

Now if there really is no plan we can claim budget problems and point at “selfish” draftees and turn our current incompetence into an art form.

Perhaps the Lerners watched the old Maverick tv show where Old Pappy Maverick twisted the Abraham Lincoln quote to:
“You can fool some of the people all the time,
And you can fool all the people some of the time,
And those are pretty good odds.”

The plan got off to a very good start last year. I expect (hope) to see it continue this year, unless, of course, Pappy Maverick was right. Next week we can talk about the international scene, but right now the only game in town, and the game we must win is signing draft choices.

Rant over.

Let’s play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | August 15, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Another great gamer, Chico. That's the most I've ever heard out of Zim.

Posted by: NatsNut | August 15, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

I hope there was some HGH in that IV.

Posted by: mmmm.....iv | August 15, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

It's not a rumor, it's fact. I'm surprised that nobody else on this blog is aware of it.

Actually, I'm not so surprised.

The point of it is that to act like Meat is the helpless victim of this disease and worthy of our pity and prayers is ridiculous. He's a professional athlete that doesn't take care of his body and is, in effect, taking money out of our pockets. He has every resource in the world available to take care of his problem, yet he doesn't have the good sense, or professionalism, to take advantage of that.

Posted by: natty, not fatty | August 15, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like no one from the team or front office has even seen dy -- kind of mysterious, don't you think? For the kind of money he's picking up it seems like they would know what he's eating for breakfast. Of course, maybe they do -- they play things pretty close to the vest when it comes to medical things......starting to get suspicious when somebody has a "sore thumb" or a " stomach virus" -- you are only paranoid if someone is really out to get you!

Posted by: masnstinks | August 15, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

or should that have been you are NOT paranoid if someone is really out to get you? Not good with my cliches this morning - it's a Friday morning at work and the nats are on a losing streak -

Posted by: masnstinks | August 15, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

One might draft a college pitcher with unreasonably high demands thinking that, like any sane individual, he would lower his demands during negotiations. After all, that is the point of negotiating. If you're naming the same price the whole time and never backing down, well, you're not negotiating.

Blind prediction: Crow signs for 3.5 million, no ML contract.

Posted by: Section 506 (Before moving) | August 15, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Maybe some of you people are blind or don't read this site everyday. I have said at least twice that there is more to Young's absence than his diabetis.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Agreed - the Nats knew they'd have to go over slot (and the numbers show they're willing to do so) but they seem to have been surprised - and irritated - by how far over slot Crow wants to go.

The ML contract thing feels like a ploy - an unacceptable demand you can concede in order to get a higher bonus.

Posted by: Not really 506 | August 15, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh!!! Of COURSE!! It all makes sense now. The cure for addiction is sense, professionalism, and a debt to society.

You are a wise, wise man
_____________________________

The point of it is that to act like Meat is the helpless victim of this disease and worthy of our pity and prayers is ridiculous. He's a professional athlete that doesn't take care of his body and is, in effect, taking money out of our pockets. He has every resource in the world available to take care of his problem, yet he doesn't have the good sense, or professionalism, to take advantage of that.

Posted by: natty, not fatty | August 15, 2008 7:31 AM

Posted by: NatsNut | August 15, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

A couple of things

First, to those of you who are blaming the Nationals saying, "you knew what Crow wanted when you picked him" are clowning themselves. Do you really not understand the art of negotiation? Someone asks for something, everyone in front and behind him takes less, so we offer him slot value, or slightly above slot value. Let's forget this ronald mcdonald and draft Strasburg first and add a bat to the farm system with the compensation pick.

Second, anonymous - nobody cares about what you have to say regarding Young. Kill yourself. Thank you.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 15, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Great columns on the Nats today by Harlan and Loverro. I thought Loverro nailed it in terms of what we can expect from the team next year.

I do not know which way to go on this Crow signing. Crow demands look cheap when we see what FO has wasted or is wasting on the likes of LoDuca, Kearns, Young, Mack, King, Estrada, Lopez, Pena, Guzman ( approximately - $37mm). I don't buy into this separate budget crap. If they are telling the truth then they should have had a higher budget for the PLAN and reduced amount at the major league level. God knows Bowden wasted a ton at the major league level.

If they do decide to pass on Crow do you think it makes sense to sign others such as Ramirez and Silverstein. I do not know much about them but some posters on here think these guys are good. If Kasten et al did sign these others (assuming they are good) then I might believe them when they say they have a PLAN. Somehow I think they will pass on signing these guys and end up spending something in the range of maybe $3mm for their 08 draft class. That does not sound to me like they are devoting significant resources to the PLAN.

Lastly I don't buy FO justifying a pass on Crow by saying they are getting an 09 compensatory pick. They are going to have to pony up very big dollars in 09 to get these picks signed unless they overdraft. That will most likely be Kasten's strategy.


I cannot fathom how bad this organization has become, from the owners on down. The Lerners , Kasten, Bowden and Acta are a first class embarrassment. These are the darkest days in the franchise's 40 year history. I do not live in Washington but I hope the fans can send a message to these dolts by boycotting the games.

Posted by: mjames | August 15, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Great columns on the Nats today by Harlan and Loverro. I thought Loverro nailed it in terms of what we can expect from the team next year.

I do not know which way to go on this Crow signing. Crow demands look cheap when we see what FO has wasted or is wasting on the likes of LoDuca, Kearns, Young, Mack, King, Estrada, Lopez, Pena, Guzman ( approximately - $37mm). I don't buy into this separate budget crap. If they are telling the truth then they should have had a higher budget for the PLAN and reduced amount at the major league level. God knows Bowden wasted a ton at the major league level.

If they do decide to pass on Crow do you think it makes sense to sign others such as Ramirez and Silverstein. I do not know much about them but some posters on here think these guys are good. If Kasten et al did sign these others (assuming they are good) then I might believe them when they say they have a PLAN. Somehow I think they will pass on signing these guys and end up spending something in the range of maybe $3mm for their 08 draft class. That does not sound to me like they are devoting significant resources to the PLAN.

Lastly I don't buy FO justifying a pass on Crow by saying they are getting an 09 compensatory pick. They are going to have to pony up very big dollars in 09 to get these picks signed unless they overdraft. That will most likely be Kasten's strategy.


I cannot fathom how bad this organization has become, from the owners on down. The Lerners , Kasten, Bowden and Acta are a first class embarrassment. These are the darkest days in the franchise's 40 year history. I do not live in Washington but I hope the fans can send a message to these dolts by boycotting the games.

Posted by: mjames | August 15, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

"I do not live in Washington but I hope the fans can send a message to these dolts by boycotting the games."

No, but here's hoping you extend your boycott indefinitely.

iLIVAN! tonight ...

Posted by: The Guy Won't Have to Sit Next to mjames at NatsPark | August 15, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

diabetis.

Posted by: it's diabetes | August 15, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Tomorrow night, amigo.

Bring Dipping Dots.

Posted by: Not Really iLIVAN! | August 15, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Next stop, the basement.

"Second, anonymous - nobody cares about what you have to say regarding Young. Kill yourself. Thank you."

Posted by: level of discourse | August 15, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I do not live in Washington but I hope the fans can send a message to these dolts by boycotting the games.

Posted by: there's a reason that they left Montreal | August 15, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

A major league contract isn't anything to get worked up about. It's a spot on the 40-man roster, usually for 3-4 years, ensuring that the player is called up before that time expires. With an elite college arm (yes, he is one...ask anyone else in baseball) you would expect/hope the player to be up within 2.

Also - I' be willing to bet that the high bonus demands will decrease to a more reasonable # if given the major league contract.

Posted by: Andrew Stebbins | August 15, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think there's value to both sides of the Crow debate (sign him or not). But...if we've sat through this much horrid baseball and spent what we've spent (roughly $30,000 on tickets for my group) with "the plan" as our team mantra, "the plan" SHOULD NOT involve blowing your 1st round pick, no matter the reason. If they don't sign Crow, they've wasted at least 1 year of development time for what should be a future ML contributing player. Weak.

Posted by: Out Long Nationals Nightmare | August 15, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

But the Nats drafted him knowing exactly what he wanted, so they'll probably just offer that, since that's clearly the way to do business.

Posted by: Cavalier | August 15, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

@Andrew

If the Nats capitulate and give Crow a major league contract it means he will have to be on the 40-man roster and his options begin a lot sooner. I still have problems with bringing up Detweiler last year for a one-inning cameo. He will be on the 40-man, along with Maxwell, meaning if Crow gets a major-league deal the Nats could protect three less players. And his college stats aren't going to help him once he becomes a pro playing against other pros.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 15, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

@Andrew

If the Nationals give Crow a major-league deal he would join Detweiler and Maxwell on the 40-man roster and his options would start sooner. I still have problems with Detweiler's one-inning cameo last year forcing him to be on the 40-man. With Maxwell hurt most of the year, Detweiler's ineffectiveness and if Crow gets a big-league deal the 40-man roster becomes a 37-man roster.

Posted by: leetee1955 | August 15, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, EVERYONE is worth praying for. I'm sorry the Meat is where he is. It may very well be his fault or the Nationals fault but I will pray for him. Some day I will need him and others to pray for me.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | August 15, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Everyone. EVERYONE is worth praying for. It may be the Meat's fault or it may be the Nats. I don't know and when it comes to praying I don't care. I won't pray for the FO but I will pray for Meat.
Some day I will need him, and others to pray for me.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | August 15, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

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